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Battle lines between protesters and the police are already being drawn for the NATO and G-8 summits that Chicago will host next spring.
On Thursday, an anti-war organizer said he was scouting potential staging areas for crowds of protesters expected outside the summits in May.
Meanwhile, police Supt. Garry McCarthy said he’s been planning for three weeks. And he put a deputy superintendent, Debra Kirby, in charge of preparing the Chicago Police Department’s response.
“We have to train for mass arrests,” McCarthy said. “We have to train 13,000 police officers in arrest procedures and containment procedures. At the same time, we will not stop patrolling the city.”
Kirby in charge? Oh. Ok. That should be interesting.
We are glad to see that we're going to go against the Huberman edict that it isn't feasible to train up an entire Department to respond to emergency situations. We just wonder where the heck he's being fed this "13,000" number seeing as how we have somewhere between 10,000 and 11,000 men and women actually collecting a check.
We are glad to see that we're going to go against the Huberman edict that it isn't feasible to train up an entire Department to respond to emergency situations. We just wonder where the heck he's being fed this "13,000" number seeing as how we have somewhere between 10,000 and 11,000 men and women actually collecting a check.
posted by SCC at 12:31 AM
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Give Kirby the hook. She has no business being even sworn police.
"We just wonder where the heck he's being fed this "13,000" number seeing as how we have somewhere between 10 and 11,000 men and women actually collecting a check."
It’s got to be WAYYYYY less than that. Look at the FOP newsletter, count the retirees, and then figure out how many PPO's we have... We have way more walking OUT the door in the past 5 years, than walking IN!
I’ll say less than 10K
I hope this place burns!
Thank God that Super McFly is gonna teach me arrest procedures. Or, is Kirby gonna teach me? Oh crap. I'm so confused. If I learn from Kirby, will I have to WD40 my cuffs before every arrest or only before every tour. Confusing.
McCarthy is so far into the darkness of ignorance regarding the Force he is charged with leading. There's almost all merit Bosses under him made by the daley regime. "Bullshit" is still the watchword in the CPD" and that's what they feed old garry boy. !!
http://www.suntimes.com/news/6513155-418/mccarthy-to-nato-g-8-protestors-chicago-police-will-be-ready.html
Kirby, are you kidding me? She has no idea what to do with this
7/15/2011 01:03:00 AM
Are you fucking kidding me is right? I bet you she doesn't even own a pair of cuffs, she hasn't been out on the streets since the mid 90's. She has been a permeant fixture indoors. You want the job done right ask car 47 or 4400 to do it, or better yet have them both do it, this will guarantee positive results.
7/15/2011 01:45:00 PM
We are fucked if she is really in charge!!!!!!!!
I'll work it for time and half! Do we get a bullshit ribbon for it?
We need to go old school and crack some heads!
Bring out the GOON squad!
6"00 tall 200 pounds on the line!!!
DK in charge? Like she was in charge of IAD! The rioters will have a field day. It will be the "Days of Rage" all over again.
I can see the first protesters now. Mcshitbird and Fr. Felcher striding down Michigan Ave. w/ a banner that reads "DOWN WITH GOVERNMENT SPONSORED RACISM". Oh wait, I'll be on furlough and lmao.
Kirby in charge?!?!?!?! You got to be fucking kidding me. She doesn't know a damn thing about police work in practicality or in theory!!!
How the fuck did she get this position...well, okay, I know how she got it, but c'mon, she is clueless with police tactics and she has no backbone to stand up in face of anything dangerous in the least. Her gun is just a show piece and so is her uniform.
Debra how many career arrests do you have? 16 or 17?
The business downtown and the citizens are fucked.
13,000?More like 8,500 to 9,000 Sworn Officers. Kirby's in charge of the operational planning?..The Anarchists and Terrorists have already won..
Ok guys, I promised more police. Graphic Arts is making 4000 life size cardboard cutouts of police in uniform. Plus because I have your back and care, I am ordering 2500 blow up dolls in CPD uniform to make every beat car in the city will be 10-4.
Kirby? Zero riot control expertise. How about the POs that trained for the TABD under Schenkel? All had military exp
No matter what some sissy ass merit boss will be bitching about Officers to have there hats on! What a joke cancel my rdo then bitch, like you earned your spot, because im not wearing a crown round... Now thats some true leadership you can depend on great merit promo there jackass
Send in the Col from 023 dist
Kirby?
OK debbie you threw all the coppers under the bus because they looked at the arrest reports for the alleged sex pervs from 023... now I'm supposed to follow you to kick ass and take names when the anarchists hit Chicago for the G8. Are you out of your F'n mind! Your lawyer BS is not what's needed to keep the streets in order...do you think any of us will do squat to suppress the shitheads if we think that you are having our back? Puhleez! Get the F out of the way. Gary needs to make a command decision: either the police run it or the wimps run it! You pick.
This department is so so so back in time where do they find these bosses what s circus it is sad .
The supt of police mc carthy officers I got your backs well let's see if this man keeps his word!!!
13,000! Oh my God! I guess I can get a day off once in a while now! In fact, since we're now fully staffed, maybe all 3 sectors will have occupied beat cars and we'll even have a wagon up! Hallelujah! Saints be praised! Yea, right...
. . . I for one will go on the medical or IOD if I am forced to go to a G-8 bullshit circle-jerk.
You will have to stand their and take shit? FUCK THAT.
Roussell will be gone when the changes are announced next week or so. Boemer will go as well.
don't forget the medical abusers
Kirby....WTF. They better hire McNulty, Dugan, Keating, Neal Sullivan, or even Radtke as a paid consultant. All she knows how to do is get CR numbers.!!!!
McDaddy, you just lost my fence straddling by appointing Kirby as the the planing officer. Next you'll tell us that what's her name from 014 will be in tactical command of the operation.
Kirby should be planing the lunch and bathroom breaks and that's about it.
Better have the national guard deployed to clean up the mess.
He lied about the reason the beach closed on Memorial Day, he's lying about the fact that Kirby is the best choice to run this and he's lying about the number of personnel he needs to train for this debacle. I'd say ole' Charlie McCarthy's handler has his hand running his mouth again.
OW! My Back Hurts said...
. . . I for one will go on the medical or IOD if I am forced to go to a G-8 bullshit circle-jerk.
You will have to stand their and take shit? FUCK THAT.
7/16/2011 04:14:00 AM
To go IOD means work related action. I doubt you have done any work in the last year. You sir are a asshole. You would be the last selected for this event so relax and hide in your beat car.
What furlough is the G-8 summit going to fall on? I want to be out of here...maybe visiting those G-8 countries.
HAVE FUN BOYS AND GALS...REMEMBER, CAMERAS WILL BE WATCHING YOU!
all kirby is good for is stealing time from the city on 1st watch in A/2 while she was going to law school
early duck, mail car, debby
and
she screwed that up as well.
mc goof had better spend some serious time finding supervisors who have balls.
Why would the city bring this trash crazy event here? Every where this has been there has been mass riots, bloodshed, and property damage. Why give Chicago another black eye. Let this conference go to Hawaii. Anita liked it maybe they will too.
When they told Kirby she would be in charge of the G8 event, she said, "Oh good, I love that vegetable juice!"
kirbys forte
avoiding felony charges (make it all a misdemeanor) to prevent having to write paper.
got nuthin kid !
fox in the hen house
Kirby and her tenure at IAD
old song....who's zoomin who
I thought we have alreday trained and equiped a special unit for mass arrests
Oh wait it was disbanded
It seems the new supt is out of touch with reality. He must be getting some very bad information. Its too bad, we had very high hopes for him, but he is turning out to be a buffoon, just like the moron he replaced.
Can someone send us a boss that can really think?????
Wow Garry, here's a little tip: TRU and MSF both had training in riot control and mass arrest procedures but you shipped them all back to 007 on midnights. I'm sure all of them will volunteer to give you and Kirby a hand.
I'm sure the training will consist of watching the department video. The rest of the plan consist of crossing our fingers and hoping for the best. Maybe we can cancel the summit due to heat.
Kirby, not that she is super politically heavy, it is that she has NEVER BEEN POLICE. Has she ever even arrested anybody. How many times has she had to wear her helmet? With her in charge we are doomed. She will make sure all the law breakers have all their rights observed even if it means getting cops hurt. They might as well bring back Ex-con Gov. Walker to be in charge.
Can Kirby go toe to toe with a M/1/200lbs? That's the standard of excellence.
Where the heck will they get enough po's to work it? We are already short as it is, I still dont have a gas mask nor a ninja suit. God help us....
Shortershanks' way of getting rid of DK ? Feed his Napoleon complex and fire her when she screws it up ?
KIRBY will be in charge of writing up the orders we will have to follow in arrest situations. All this means is that, when the poop hits the fan, the liability will then fall on the officers (not the City) for not following the orders.
The anti-war protesters are not going to be locals. they will be professional agitators coming here to stir things up. and with the reputation of CPD following the 1968 democratic convention, you can bet the lawyers are already salivating at the prospect of future lawsuits against YOU and the city.
Without sending EVERYONE to the academy for at least two weeks of training in dealing with the potential riots, we the police will be on the receiving end of a lot of shit.
As much fun as it sounds to knock the crap out of some traveling anarchist, family and livelihood come first.
Be wise. Be smart. Be safe.
McFibs/McFluff must know exactly how many cops he has reporting to him. Using 13,000 number would make this his third bs story thus far.
Not sure how he'll be as a supe- at least he undid J-Fled's extra vacation pay caper- but one thing seems certain-he appears to be a really great bull-shitter and exaggerator.
If all goes well Ill be retired.Thank GOD
WTF Debra Kirby. OK this McNutty is completely fucking gone.
. . . I for one will go on the medical or IOD if I am forced to go to a G-8 bullshit circle-jerk.
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Then we probably don't need you anyway!
You want the job done right have Tobias or Roussell do it, I would have them both do it. Kirby is just gonna make you look bad.
Good move. Obviously she's going to bore them to death. Kill the bastards without laying a hand on them. Brilliant!
Everyone get ready for the worst era in CPD history, as McCarthy was sworn in Friday. When will the politicians learn that just because they put on a uniform does not mean that they are the police. Mr. McCarthy you are a politician and not a cop. Go back to New York where you belong you poser!!!!
Give Kirby a chance. She is very wise. She like all of us has made some mistakes but she knows the law. We need to give our leaders a chance. Just do your job and shut up.
Kirby in Charge ???? WTF ?????
God Help Us !!!!!! The enemy is among us !!!!!!
There are about 9K 9161s thats it. They are the one who are gonna be on the line. The training should go alot faster.
Go out there people and lock protesters up for practicing their 1st Amendment rights. I'm sure McCarthy and Kirby won't be named on the federal civil rights lawsuit that you are a defendent on.
Everyone says this McCarthy guy is for the working police but what has he done? He has catered to Father PHaker at St Sabina's, he screwed over at least 400 working officers in TRU and MSF by sticking them in shit districts miles from their houses and now he is yelling at exempts and treating them like shit when he barely knows anything about the city or department. This guy is not your friend and his current staff of exempts are just telling him whatever he wants to hear to keep their jobs.
DOn't be fooled, this guy is just as bad as the last one, if thats possible. They aren't there to look after us they are there to do the mayors bidding and that means fucking with the rank and file as much as possible. Strength in numbers, stand together and we will hold all the cards come contract time.
Deb Kirby, the boss that railroaded John Krupa?
Deb Kirby, the one who made it a personal vendetta to malign and falsely charge a decorated and respected PO?
Deb Kirby, the subject of a multi-million dollar federal civil rights suit?
Deb Kirby, the 19th Ward political hack who has less than 20 physical arrests under her belt?
Deb Kirby, the one who will cause the City of Chicago future worldwide embarrassment and shame!
YEAH, that's Deb Kirby!!!
Deb Kirby, the female wannabee Tom Dart.
I think the 13,000 is combined CPD and units brought in from other parts of the country. Am I wrong, or is this how it's been handled in other cities? Oh, and DK will micro-manage this to death!
wow liberals and international carpetbaggers why cant they both go somewhere else with the ghetto rats and illegals alien we would have great city...
screw the g-8 conference they want to exploit the working man just like the liberal protester want destroy the working man.. poor unions dont have a chance...
. . . I for one will go on the medical or IOD if I am forced to go to a G-8 bullshit circle-jerk.
You will have to stand their and take shit? FUCK THAT.
And this is exactly what is wrong with this department. One way Motherf*ckers. F*ck everyone else and you will sit at home and pout and stamp your feet like a child. You take things way to personal. You see it as the hippies hurting your feelings because they are protesting and I see only one thing..... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you end up working this thing there is a HUGE potential of getting overtime.... and alot of it.
I can see the first protesters now. Mcshitbird and Fr. Felcher striding down Michigan Ave. w/ a banner that reads "DOWN WITH GOVERNMENT SPONSORED RACISM". Oh wait, I'll be on furlough and lmao.
Do you honestly think you will be on furlough??? hahahahaah. Look for your heart to get broken about a month and a half before 2012 furlough and watch pics begin. I suppose you didnt get the memo that time due, p days and furlough are not gonna be happening. 5b will not be an option to pick in 2012. And no, this is not in violation of the union contract. They are not denying furloughs all together, they are only blocking out the dates of 5b. Also, if you take a 6a the amount of days you extend on the front are limited and cannot be within 2 days of the end of the summit... eg, summit ends on the 22nd of may so if you extend on the front of your 6a you can only start your furlough on 25 may and you would have to take the rest of the time on the end.... so no, you will not be on furlough... Nobody will be on furlough, that includes me... Before they announced this thing I was planning on taking a 5b because of a trip I take to florida every year for a week and a half.... guess im missin out next year... thanks rahmbo
Bring the marshmallows and hot dogs.
It's gonna burn.
If you live or work downtown, take vacation and blow town.
Businesses, increase your insurance coverage.
It will be the "Days of Rage" all over again.
Big difference. We won that one.
I was there for the King Riot, the 1968 Convention, the Days of Rage and many others. Believe me you have never seen anything like them. The Bulls BS was like Friday night in 011 in the late '60s and early '70s. Old man Daley was behind us and we were allowed to defend ourselves and get the bad guys. A lot of our exempts were WW2vets and were on the street swinging lead club. You are being led into an ambush. Don't be critical of those who have doubts. They may be the only ones thinking.
Task Force Runs It
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Deb Kirby, the boss that railroaded John Krupa?
Deb Kirby, the one who made it a personal vendetta to malign and falsely charge a decorated and respected PO?
Deb Kirby, the subject of a multi-million dollar federal civil rights suit?
Deb Kirby, the 19th Ward political hack who has less than 20 physical arrests under her belt?
Deb Kirby, the one who will cause the City of Chicago future worldwide embarrassment and shame!
YEAH, that's Deb Kirby!!!
7/16/2011 03:13:00 PM
She should of been demoted long ago another hack!
MCCARTHY is a liar plain and simple.
You're going to put someone who has absolutely NO experience. With events of this type at a time when our department is 2000 to 3000 short. Has not trained anyone in crowd control CORRECTLY since the war protests of 2003 or before, has let our inventory of gas and crowd control tools dwindle to nothing! This is shaping up to be a disaster of EPIC proportions ! Gmac you better rethink your choices before it's too late ! I think E. Fred Bosse would consult the city for a fee.
Michael Piccardi and Patrick Daley - resigned as of 30 June 2011. Who's next. They keep falling.
"Give Kirby a chance. She is very wise. She like all of us has made some mistakes but she knows the law. We need to give our leaders a chance. Just do your job and shut up."
Stay off the blog kirbs. This is a forum for working coppers so they can vent about do nothings like you. Thank you in advance and have a great day sharpening your pencils.
Anonymous said...
Give Kirby a chance. She is very wise. She like all of us has made some mistakes but she knows the law. We need to give our leaders a chance. Just do your job and shut up.
7/16/2011 02:26:00 PM
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But she doesn't have a clue how to apply the law to quell this invasion of rioters & scumbags.
Placing her in charge of this operation is akin to appointing Algonquin J. Calhoun to the Supreme Court !
I would have to said if it's going to get done right, either Tobias or Guliford are going to have to head it up. Maybe the new supt does'nt realize we (CPD) have done these before, with almost zero problems....not like the other citys. Dont no much about Rousell so cant say.
was Kirbys mom in 006 yrs back;I RECALL HER DAUGHTER who at the time i thought it hard for her to be the police as she looked like a sophmore from McCauley. now if that isnt clout to see her in charge of a unit to stifle a lot of arnachist bombthrowers and window smashers, im glad i rtd 10 years ago, stay safe, old rtd rvolver copper.
any word on new area 3 deputy chief ?
this department is run by crazy people so who cares they don't
"You're all worthless and weak. Now drop and give me twenty!"
Another Morgan Park success story.
LOL.
any word on new area 3 deputy chief ?
Not you.
O.T. Lt. AS from 24 being considered as new DC of 24 when Wick leaves on 01 Aug. New Jewish alderman who is close to Rahm wants her. She is also connected to some other Jewish pols.
Anonymous said...
any word on new area 3 deputy chief ?
7/16/2011 09:12:00 PM
Tobias is the acting dep. chief. They are all crying for Rottner to come back.
Why did they dump K.B. back to 23? She could have ran the whole G8 show. Just ask her!!
Please, we gotta stop worshiping our mediocre to poor leadership of past years. "Bring back Tobias" and "Bring back Gulliford" and all that bullshit has to stop. All these exempts were political hacks then and they still are today. None of them has any real leadership ability. There are good leaders on this department, but none of them make it past Lt. or Capt. because to become exempt is to sell your soul. The fact is, the Feds are going to run these events, tell us how to plan and execute it, and some douchebag boss is going to take credit for it, and the rest of us will get a stupid ribbon to wear.
Thank god i can look back at it and thank my lucky stars I was able to keep my job and end up back on the job... even though I had to take 30 days It all worked out. So im still givin this guy a chance.
First off I love the Constitution and don't blame Sara Palin for ghetto shootings. Second in Chicago we don't use the term RUBBER GUN SQUAD. Nice try.
guess youve never been in call back... because when I was there thats what it was referred to and thats what many still call it these days..... maybe its just that you dont have enough time on the job....kid. Typical new guy hair gel, knows it all and been there done that. Nice try though.
7/15/2011 12:15:00 AM
Yeah, what he said! I am veteran of unit 376. I even made the tact team there. " You thought about it, we did it" --- seriously I don't miss that part of my life. And fuck you Kirby and Skahill for fucking up my life for that period of time. Remember what goes around comes around bitches.
7/15/2011 02:02:00 PM
Now that's funny!
Kirby never made a mistake in the field because Kirby has never been in the fucking field. I've been around long enough to know where the bodies are hiding.
C'mon Garry! Now you're just being ridiculous.
Anonymous said...
Deb Kirby is hot...She can rock some slacks.
7/16/2011 11:53:00 PM
There is not a sworn police woman on the CPD that interests me. Especially the bosses. Ughhh.
. . . I for one will go on the medical or IOD if I am forced to go to a G-8 bullshit circle-jerk.
You will have to stand their and take shit? FUCK THAT.
7/16/2011 04:14:00 AM
That's because you are a pussy. You should stay away, because real men and women will be doing their jobs and holding the line. You would only be in the way while running and hiding like the bitch you are.
How do look yourself in the mirror, you cowardly pussy?
Anonymous said...
O.T. Lt. AS from 24 being considered as new DC of 24 when Wick leaves on 01 Aug. New Jewish alderman who is close to Rahm wants her. She is also connected to some other Jewish pols.
7/16/2011 11:57:00 PM
ARE YOU SERIOUS? How could that be? I thought that only the Irish, blacks, hispanics, and gays in this department had political connections.
But thanks for the rumor.
O.T. Lt. AS from 24 being considered as new DC of 24 when Wick leaves on 01 Aug. New Jewish alderman who is close to Rahm wants her. She is also connected to some other Jewish pols.
If they are looking for a Jewish DC for 024 they should look elsewhere. She will be an embarrasment to the few Jewish coppers on the job. C'mon McCarthy there aren't that many if thats what Rahm wants then look at what else you have to choose from. Try someone who doesn't feel the need to sue everytime their little delicate feelings get hurt. When you try to move up by sucking up to bosses you should'nt be able to collect six figure settlements everytime a male boss comments on your promiscuity.
we must have a ghost parole
The protestors are coming in with the intent of stirring up whatever trouble they can. Having the cops respond in kind is exactly what they want.
Every protestor that gets a head knocked by a cop is a victory to them.
Remember the 68 protests in Chicago. The cops beat on the protestors, but ended up making all Chicgao cops look like the thugs that only some of them were. Cops that were not even born yet are still feeling the effects of the idiots that allowed it to happen.
I am not sure there is a good answer to this problem, but beating heads for the cameras is a losing proposition. And there will be a bazillion cameras out there.
"But she doesn't have a clue how to apply the law to quell this invasion of rioters & scumbags.
Placing her in charge of this operation is akin to appointing Algonquin J. Calhoun to the Supreme Court !"
7/16/2011 08:20:00 PM
well said....actually, Algonquin probably has more smarts than the Dem appointees there now....and add Barry Husein to that...
I am not sure there is a good answer to this problem, but beating heads for the cameras is a losing proposition. And there will be a bazillion cameras out there!
I guess it plays better if the cops are the victims. You obviously weren't there in 1968. I was. You have been propagandized into believing what really happened. The police were attacked. The police fought back.There were bigger fish to fry than the police. Polls taken after the event showed overwhelming support for the police across the country. It was the beginning of the activist press that now infects the country. If you're the police,just stand there and let the brick hit you. It looks better on the camera.
>>>Anonymous said...
The protestors are coming in with the intent of stirring up whatever trouble they can. Having the cops respond in kind is exactly what they want.
Every protestor that gets a head knocked by a cop is a victory to them.
Remember the 68 protests in Chicago. The cops beat on the protestors, but ended up making all Chicgao cops look like the thugs that only some of them were. Cops that were not even born yet are still feeling the effects of the idiots that allowed it to happen.
I am not sure there is a good answer to this problem, but beating heads for the cameras is a losing proposition. And there will be a bazillion cameras out there.
7/17/2011 12:23:00 PM<<<
Look like what to whom? I was in college at the time of the '68 Convention and from a police family. Outside the liberal news establishment and anti-war, anti anything U.S.A. colleges, the rep of the C.P.D. was great. The Thin Blue Line held against the hoards who came to this town to raise hell and to disrupt the convention. Most people thought the Chicago Cops were tough and thank God for them.
What would have happened if the line had not held and the hoards of demonstrators had gotten into the International Amphitheater? Would they have been peaceful there?
Then as now and in the future, many will come not really to protest, but to fight police, show their asses and raise hell. Some will get their heads busted in the process; some will spend time in jail.
Stay safe, when they come, be ready.
I am not sure there is a good answer to this problem, but beating heads for the cameras is a losing proposition. And there will be a bazillion cameras out there.
7/17/2011 12:23:00 PM<<<
And there will be a "bazillion" protestors out there too, not all of them peaceful.
You have obviously never been in a situation like the Bulls riots or public housing when the building would dump out on you.
When they come to fight you in numbers, you will know what you have to do. You won't be thinking about cameras taping while someone is trying to smash YOUR head or throw a Molotov cocktail at you.
This is what's wrong with a lot of the cops they hire now. They think that they can't do the job in ANY situation. You can still break bones when attacked. Learn your fucking job. We go home safely. The assailant makes the choice on whether they go home at all if they bring that shit to us.
I'll see you out there next May and we'll be swinging clubs together. I hope the cameras get some good footage of me defending myself. It'll be nice to watch while drinking in the bar I just put in my basement.
You go out and break heads and it will be on the news a million times and no one will care why.
Just the way it is.
OTOH, jabs to the ribs don't look anywhere near as bad but are just as effective (maybe more so) and there is no blood.
The covention riots got out of control because the dimwits running the police response at the time had no idea what was going on and allowed individual cops and small groups of cops to do as they pleased. Not surprising what happened. Complete breakdown of leadership. Once it was out of control there was no going back.
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