CompStat Follies
An amusing story in the comment section:
- So last week the Commander of 002 was on the hot seat at the "Comcast" meeting. He noted that his contact cards went from 184 during this period last year to over 730 for the same period this year. McNutty then asks how many resulted in warrant arrests. A total of 7 arrests were made. He wants to know if this is normal. One arrest per 100 contacts? No one says a word. So he says it sounds fishy.
This week it is E Washington's turn. His contact cards are over 1000 in the last period, This time, the new "Comcast" guy CM asks him how many of those cards were run for warrants to which EW says that all were run over PDT or on the air. CM then pulls out a pile of papers and says that they took a sampling of his contact cards and found at least 4 warrants. Tells EW that this time he gets a pass but that in the future, the bosses will be held accountable for any warrants they find. He said that Commanders need to know what their "Cops" are doing out there and that if they are just getting contact cards to get numbers, that will not do.
Again, not one boss stood up and said, "hey, that's how we do it here." You want cards generated, we will generate them but now you want name checks on each one, that will take for ever. Expect the numbers to go down.
Someone needs to explain to the new guys how Chicago does things so they can get off the high horse they rode in on. All these changes that they said needed to be made are not going to happen without the approval of the REAL people running things, the reverends, Mayor and politicians.
Business as usual.
Evidently, CompStat is going to be a "Gotcha!" type meeting. One week, a commander gets chastised on the number of Contact Cards generated. The next week, a different commander covers the contact card numbers, but they spring a "sampling" that resulted in a few warrants, so they rip on that commander. No matter that LEADS is down a sizable percentage of the time. No matter that some warrants were issued days after contact is made with a suspect. No matter that certain OEMC dispatchers blow off dozens of name checks every day with "no record" replies.
Evidently, it's all going to be about the ability to humiliate. Not that we have a problem with gold stars being taken down a peg or three - it's nice to see shit running uphill for once in this department. It just seems like a poor way to run an organization and an even poorer way to get results.
Evidently, it's all going to be about the ability to humiliate. Not that we have a problem with gold stars being taken down a peg or three - it's nice to see shit running uphill for once in this department. It just seems like a poor way to run an organization and an even poorer way to get results.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
158 Comments:
What I want to know is whos the idiot coppers running out there getting these bosses contact cards?
I was always told if your name check pops a warrant arrest you don't do (or turn in) a contact card. It pads the stats and it looks pimpy.
Most of my contact cards are b.s. I cc the same gangbangers everyday. Even if I just tell'em to beat it. I cc my traffic stops, anovs, people who I do reports for, people that ask me directions, everyone. It's all a b.s. numbers game. I'm told to do it by my sgts, lt, capt. I'm told to do it at CTA special, safe city. It's all b.s. but that is what they want.
Running a name takes about 30 seconds to type in. Entering a contact card into out catastrophically incompetent system takes about ten minutes of annoyance and frustration. The idea that a copper would take the time to enter a contact card, but not run the name, strikes me as bizarre, and I would be surprised that would ever occur.
But here's an idea, if 35th and Michigan wants contact cards with name checks, how about having the leads information automatically populate the contact card information, and maybe even the gps fill in the time and location, then the overworked copper could just tap out a narrative and go on to the next job. It's a shame the department spends a fortune on cameras to monitor us, but nothing on computer systems that could actually make the job easier.
We should be running everyone, when we have the time & tools to do so. McCarthy is right. Those contact cards aren't just a handwriting/typing exercise. If you have the time to take down someone's name & a PDT, you have time to run them. Seriously. How hard can it be?
what about the boss from Special functions? How many contact cards does her unit have? Useless that person is
Name check clear = Contact Card
Warrant = Arrest Report
as a dispatcher, there is NO excuse for not running at least a routine check on a name/DL when a copper is on a stop. officer safety first/finding possible warrants second. what gives??
McJerseyshore is as big an asshole as Weis was, give him time, he's going to destroy our Dept. in his own way.
Thought if you make an arrest you are not to make a card out???
The GO states that all names must be run when a contact card is done. If a arrest is made no contact card per GO.
How exactly does the commander process work under McNutty? Will Headquarters be accepting more
'applications' for that position, a la WEISel/Masters,
or will it go back to how it was in the pre-J-Fled days, when someone was simply chosen from the Supt. and
1st Deputy's office? Because as I recall, not many people submitted 'exempt packets' under the former
Dumb & Dumber regime, and if McNutty continues these ridiculous, demeaning tirades during the Comstat meetings, I see even fewer people desiring to hold such positions, especially as a District Commander. Maybe verbal abuse was very much
a part of the NYPD scene, but I guarantee that if
McNutty and his NYPD cohorts don't change the
direction of these meetings, somebody's gonna
likely wind up with a Chicago style ass kicking
in the parking lot at Fort Fellatio!
Anonymous said...
McJerseyshore is as big an asshole as Weis was, give him time, he's going to destroy our Dept. in his own way.
8/15/2011 04:04:00 AM
At least he's going after and embarrassing the asshole exempts. They must be pissing in their pants every time they have to head to 35th street. HILARIOUS!
Any officer who completes a contact card on anyone
should be conducting name checks on those people;
even if the air is too busy to do it at the time you're
filling out the card, it should be done at some time
during your tour of duty. That's just COMMON SENSE.
I've made many arrests of people I've name checked
over the years. I not only completed cards on people
I stopped for a variety of reasons (traffic, disturbance
calls, etc.) I also name checked anyone I had to write
a report for, be it a GOCR or even a traffic accident.
You'd be surprised how many arrests can be made
from doing that. And they're easy arrests, no brainers! No Supt. should have to tell any officers who work in the field what they should be doing
with regard to basic followup on the contact cards.
Everyone in the field should be doing this already.
I'll have to agree with the idea that armchair "sampling" of the contact cards will catch things, but when the PDT is down and things are going on that make you not want to tie up the air, LEADS is down, etc., you won't always run the name.
Contact Cards are stupid.
You should be checking every mook and mookie you have reason to stop and question for an outstanding already.
It's what we called in the Mayberry PD "a no brainer."
as a dispatcher, there is NO excuse for not running at least a routine check on a name/DL when a copper is on a stop. officer safety first/finding possible warrants second. what gives??
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They're afraid of what they'll find with a name check. In my district, stop a group of shit heads walking down an alley looking to fulfill the numbers game and undoubtedly one will show up with a warrant.
I know the feeling, it's the end of the shift, you're tired and just aren't up for dealing with it all, but look at it like this -- your laziness may come back to haunt you if said person is involved in a crime shortly thereafter and the system shows you made contact with him. Officer, why didn't you run a name check -- the contact card states the males were acting suspicious?
Most of my contact cards are b.s. I cc the same gangbangers everyday. Even if I just tell'em to beat it. I cc my traffic stops, anovs, people who I do reports for, people that ask me directions, everyone. It's all a b.s. numbers game. I'm told to do it by my sgts, lt, capt. I'm told to do it at CTA special, safe city. It's all b.s. but that is what they want.
You sir/madam are an idiot waiting to get in trouble. I doubt your supervisors have "told" you to write bs contact cards.
you make an arrest,.. no contact card....you write an a.n.o.v....no contact card,....you write a mover...no contact/traffic card, ...a contact card is supposed to have some type of probable cause listed,...you dont make out a contact card on a friendly conversation with a citizen.....and dat's dat...
4:32
Exactly- the new Superintendent obviously doesn't understand how contact cards are to be used. Only when no other documentation (ticket, arrest, case report) is generated.
these contact cards are getting to be a bit much. they're a nuisance for any worker.
Sounds to a far away person as the same nonsense as the DOC meetings. Depending on heavy you were- either ask you a trick question where they knew you were screwed or if you were a chosen person- a softball question to hit it out of the park.
Conact cards are not to be created when an arrest is made. Its in the G.O.
WTF, our bosses dont know the G.O.'s?????
If they were promoted off test and not merit, they should know that
This is how they find the perfect yes man. What a bunch a fuckin idiots.
like my fto explained years ago
It's all Bullsh-t Kid
"Thought if you make an arrest you are not to make a card out???"
You are not suppose to turn in a contact card when an arrest is made for a warrant and such. A few years back a fax message came out on this. The only exception being CTA special, per the SGT at roll call. Advances in Clear technology negate the need for the contact card on arrests.
Also, being a former suburban cop, I know to run name checks with a a race code of "U" for unknown. Many suburban and "downstate" warrants are put in LEADS with a U for race code. They do this as most judges and warrant clerks do not have a fingerpring card handy or have not had the person printed and photo'ed. Using U will search the entire database instead of excluding people.
The bosses in Mass Transit tell everyone to make out Contact Cards for every arrest and ANOV.
I can't tell you how many times I've entered an automated contact card only for it not to be accepted for some nonsense reason. Heaven forbid you try to change the date or time. They don't want the paper copies so I just don't do them at all.
The sysytem sucks. They need to integrate Leads, Clear, and contact into one input system.
Why cant the system be set to automatically run a person for warrants and Investigative Alerts as you are completing the contact card, I m not a computer geek but you would think both systems could be linked?
I was sent to work the Bud Bilikin parade on Saturday. At checkoff, the female Lt was standing there in her uniform but wearing a pair of flip flop sandals. I may only be a PPO, but I'm pretty sure that's against the regulations. WTF?
What I want to know is whos the idiot coppers running out there getting these bosses contact cards?
8/15/2011 12:14:00 AM
My first though upon reading that as well.
as a dispatcher, there is NO excuse for not running at least a routine check on a name/DL when a copper is on a stop. officer safety first/finding possible warrants second. what gives??
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the regular dispatchers on zone 12 are infamous for running name's and giving back inaccurate info.
on two occasions i have seen people run with a warrant attached and the dispatchers tell these po's that the warrant is not-servicable when it is.
i always tell ppl not to trust what they say.....take them in regardless of what they say....if it's not good.....rwoc.
and yes, officers should know how to read LEADS INFO....however, given the equipment we are given, most cars have no working pdt's and confine on the knowledge of our dispatchers.....
Most of my contact cards are b.s. I cc the same gangbangers everyday. Even if I just tell'em to beat it. I cc my traffic stops, anovs, people who I do reports for, people that ask me directions, everyone. It's all a b.s. numbers game. I'm told to do it by my sgts, lt, capt. I'm told to do it at CTA special, safe city. It's all b.s. but that is what they want.
8/15/2011 01:00:00 AM
So what can they do if you don't do them? Not pay you? Asshat. Yeah, go along with them.
To: Anonymous said...
Most of my contact cards are b.s. I cc the same gangbangers everyday. Even if I just tell'em to beat it. I cc my traffic stops, anovs, people who I do reports for, people that ask me directions, everyone. It's all a b.s. numbers game.
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Contact cards are used all the time as a tool to look for suspects in a specific location, confirm/dispute an alibi. Are you truly the police? If you are, think about the false reports you are generating and of your fellow officers who are relying on them to be accurate when they are conducting an investigation.
We should be running everyone, when we have the time & tools to do so. McCarthy is right. Those contact cards aren't just a handwriting/typing exercise. If you have the time to take down someone's name & a PDT, you have time to run them. Seriously. How hard can it be?
8/15/2011 01:46:00 AM
Hey Hard-Charger--you can use the time in your Federal cell to contemplate your career.
Am I missing something? I stop someone for suspicious activity and conduct a field interview where that individual's name is run for warrants. If he has a warrant I arrest him and do not fill out a contact card per G.O. If he comes back clear on the stop I fill out a contact card. If I filled out a contact card there is a very good chance there was not a warrant at that time. What doesn't GMac understand about this concept?
Who gives a shit? Mac-zero has zero control. Cmdr. of 007 was to be dumped, but Mac-Zero can't. So, Commanders don't worry because he can't do shit unless Rahm tells him to. Commanders - you need to maintain your ass kissing with aldermen, reverends, hospital boards - don't worry about mac-zero.
hey g-mac, half of the 25 commanders you will question at your meetings have never filled out a contact card--- most of them were just placed into their current position just a few years ago after possum head reshuffled everyone--- with that in mind, they don't know anything about the unit they are assigned to because they never worked the street in that unit--- gangbangers are gangbangers and crime is crime but every district has it's hot spots and set of characters--- it takes years of working a district to get a feel for what is going on there--- asking these commanders about what is going on in the district is like asking a blind man what he liked about the circus....
If you run a guys name and he pops a warrant, you lock him up and do arrest report. Why would you need to do a contact card too? I have never done that.
I have a problem with ALL gold stars being yelled at like children. There are some damn fine bosses on this job. I have worked for many good people.
If you turn these meeting into bully sessions, you won't have good people that want to do them, only the megalomaniacs. You will whittle down the potential bosses to the assholes that want the job no matter what. Do YOU want to work for those guys?
Before he got there the meetings were somewhat productive. Now they are the "gotcha" meetings again. Not helpful or productive, just ALL about the ego.
I dont understand why people just wont wait and see how this compstat plays out. I think its great to see bosses being made accountable for their units.
This will show us a couple of important things and one of them being if the new boss is really going to hold ALL of them accountable or just a few that rub him wrong. That will tell all.....
Did any of our bright, exempts actually explained to him that it is in our G.O. that we don't need to do a contact card when the subject is being arrested? Look it up!
I'm sure they knew.
And this is the out of town guy so many of us wanted. I'll admit it, I bought into the hype. I feel like an idiot now. You'd think I would've learned from the last out of town asshat.
McJerseyshore can fuck with the CPD command staff and no one will stand up to him because the REAL BOSSES with REAL BALLS are all gone. We have a bunch of SUCKASS BITCHES in charge now and that's why this department is in the condition it's in.
WE ARE FUCKED!
Uh, someone want to tell the morons from New York that if there's a warrant we ARREST the person and do an ARREST REPORT not a contact card.
This is going to be as bad as when Weis was here.
The writer says "business as usual" but if you're just turning in bs contact cards without name checks, and that "is how its done in Chicago" that's the business as usual that has to change.
Anonymous said...
Running a name takes about 30 seconds to type in. Entering a contact card into out catastrophically incompetent system takes about ten minutes of annoyance and frustration. The idea that a copper would take the time to enter a contact card, but not run the name, strikes me as bizarre, and I would be surprised that would ever occur.
But here's an idea, if 35th and Michigan wants contact cards with name checks, how about having the leads information automatically populate the contact card information, and maybe even the gps fill in the time and location, then the overworked copper could just tap out a narrative and go on to the next job. It's a shame the department spends a fortune on cameras to monitor us, but nothing on computer systems that could actually make the job easier.
that automated contact card system sucks. thats why i stopped doing contact cards.
Point well taken. The obvious goal is the service of arrest warrants. In theory, there should be zero contact cards for people with warrants, they should have all been arrested when contacted. But in practice, as we know, things can sometimes impede that. So let's identify those impediments.
Nonetheless, I certainly agree that compstat is not the most productive management process. McCarthy's using it to put on a show, that's all. If he didn't, he couldn't justify padding the payroll with his buddy from Newark.
Another sham administration.
The average Joe beat guy can explain in a second why the guy wasn't run-another call,leads down ect ect but these bosses who never did a day of police work have no clue when they get called on it!Same in the Det Div how many of these bosses were Detectives %25? They are clueless when asked about investigative techniques.
McGruff will run this department on FEAR. It will be much worse than any really bad boss you ever worked for. If the bosses are pissed off and scared you will be too. All this crap filters down to the guy/gal working the beat car. Now you have the animals on one side and McGruffs silly scary antics on the other. Feel like a cheap sandwich? You ARE!
It's a great way to run an organization.
These idiot bosses are simply being called to account for what they are doing and WHY they are doing it.
PS Any cop who writes a contact card for the sake of checking off with a contact card is a punk.
Yeah yeah yeah, yell at a boss. If he knows nothing is going to happen to him, then who cares. They come back to the districts and then the BS piles on the blueshirts that come to work every day. Not all districts are swimming with manpower. So, in my case the only solution is manpower, because I spend the majority of my tour chasing the radio. What happened to weeding out bullshit calls that police should not handle in the first place?
I purposely don't write contact cards or run names. I don't want to give bosses numbers and I gave up arresting people a long time ago. My 2% raise and lack of moral have bred this attitude.
It's this simple, WORKING pdt's are hard to come by, LEADS is down too often, and no one wants to be the d-bag tying up the radio running a name every ten minutes.
As for the arrest to contact card ratio, generally a field interview without an arrest is documented on a contact card, with an arrest on an arrest report.
Take your compstat back to New York you clown
I tried to type my contact cards into the computer but the automated system was down. The pdt's aira system won't let me make a case report either. I'm tire of calling 4 DATA. While a supervisor ie capt, lt, etc., has down time, let them enter our contact card info. This way they will know first hand on what difficulties we deal with. Also, has mcnutty ever done any ride alongs for any significant amout of time here in Chicago? Has he tried to run a name with our dispatchers who sometimes talk back to us when they are supposed to be working with us? Every week it's something new. This week it's make sure you look for warrants. Don't you "bosses" realize that we are police officers and that running names is part of our job? We do it all the time. When we have time if we aren't doing some other bs trap, gipps, or dibbs or whatever the hell those stupid things are. Go ahead fools (bosses) complain some more about wanting contact cards, now your complaining we get to many. How about if we don't get any? Work with us and not against us. You used to be a PO at one point in your career even if it was for a short time working inside.
Years ago as I languished in the private sector waiting for an academy class to be formed then Montgomery Ward CEO Bernie Brennan, (no not that Bernie Brennan) the "turn around specialist" and darling of the retail and finance world was famous for confrontational meetings with subordinates who were often humiliated by him front of their peers. I often thought how far this arrogant Irish prick would have lasted if he opened his pompous, westside turkey mouth to Zaccardo, George Parker, Trantifilio and the Rib, or a slew of other real men pushing around beat cars, or tact cars, while doing a real mans job unlike the unfortunates who were bullied by Brennan. As we all know wunderkind Brennan sank Monkey Wards with his ill-constructed LBO and MacMush will only help drive the final nail in the Chicago Police Department. Birds of a feather.
Hey McSupe! When guys are working in the same stupid violence zone for two weeks straight the same gangbangers are getting stopped at least four or five times a day.
Maybe bitch to the court section who enter the warrants. A guy gets a failure to appear warrant on friday and it doesn't pop on the computer till monday or tuesday. How many times is he getting stopped over the weekend?
You have to salute the rank, not the man.
this is a bogus exercise in futility. most coppers run a name first. if they have a warrant they arrest them and dont do a contact card. So what relation do contact cards and warrants have? Did the person have a warrant before the card was written or afterwards?
If you do enough stops everyday and don't have a pdt.......you're not gonna clog up the air and sound like a jackass running the name of each and every person you stop...including vehicles. Your also not gonna call for a car with a working pdt for each of those stops not to mention those cars are probably tied up handling the backlog. You might do those things for the more suspicious of characters. Most stops are done then to discover contraband and not to discover a bond forfeiture warrant.
What I want to know is whos the idiot coppers running out there getting these bosses contact cards?
That would be me. I believe in running up the index every chance I get. I am not alone. I have been on this job a long long time. I cannot stop. I will not stop. Gotta go. I see a contact card walking down the street!!!
Um, I could be crazy here, but if I'm the commander of two, and I'm not but starting to think I might be qualified, I'd fire back with this when challenged that 700+ contact cards resulted in 7 warrant arrests:
CPD policy states if the result of a contact with a citizen is an arrest a contact card will NOT be made.
Check it outgo into automated directives and type in contact cards, I think it's a training bulletin or special order but I looked into it and there is department policy that states if arrest made contact card will not be done. So if they are wondering why the ratio is so low my response is "It should actually be 0, here are my district's warrant arrests for the period, I will personally talk to the officers who submitted the 7 contact cards in error, thank you for bringing this to my attention."
they might still have warrants...but are they valid? dont we have to call to verify?
"Thought if you make an arrest you are not to make a card out???"
A CC in that case does seem to be redundsnt where you have a CB, unless the Unit just wants a complete set of Shithead cards like baseball cards.
Seems completely ignorant of the dismal quality of the technology available to people on the street.
Why would we make out a contact card if we make a warrant arrest.Makes no sense.Run the subject first and if there is no warrant then do a contact card.Why generate more paper.
Why would you make a contact card on an arrest?
We don't get name checks back becaause LEADS is down, PDT broken, air traffic too great, and a dozen other reasons. For the SUP to pimp out a commander for a few people having warrants that are listed on contact cards shows his lack of police work on the street.
Go home and argue about a parking ticket your daughter got, it proves your police knowledge.
I always name check my contact cards anyway. What the sup doesn't understand is that if there is no warrant then an officer has still made contact with a subject so that is what a contact card is. If it was a warrant then no contact card is created normally, instead it is an arrest. Contact cards are ultimately created to build a database of suspicious persons that officers can reference in the future. Commanders should know that and speak up rather than be abused.
Some of you guys oughta do yourselves a favor and check out the book by bernie kerik, former nypd guy. He's got his own issues but the book talks about his beliefs in accountability in policing, which is what you're going to see here.
The premise of compstat is necessarily to embarass people but to hold everyone accountable from bosses to street cops.
OT- capt in 025 says downtown is telling him only 5 po's a night can take off from now on.
I always thought it was name check on scene and get an event# for a street stop, then you can cc them on your own time (if you so choose), since it's in the pdt
4 warrants out of how many cards in a period? How many times a night does the average PDT drop out? How many times have you run a name over the PDT only for it to come back an hour, two, maybe never back? If the air is busy with a foot chase, are you gonna be the stroke that comes up for a name check? Let's look at everything before we start lynching our fellow coppers for what is VERY likely to be shitty equipment procured by this cesspool we call a city.
Did the Supe have his people confirm that these warrants were serviceable here in Chicago. I do contact cards all the time where people have warrants that are no good here. And I make not of that in the narrative.
Off Topic....
When are they going to name a commander to the 004th district?? Transfer order is out, no one to assign officers to the watches. Everyone upset and it is two days to change day.
mccarthy waiting for permission to demote some triple merit commanders
looks like he won't do anything til he gets permission from da hall
doesn't want to be like jfled
demote people than Forced to repromote them , that is very embarrassing to any police superintendent
Want me to name check them all? Give me a pdt that functions correctly! I am not going to run every mope i stop via dispatch. That is impossible, especially friday/saturday night. Exempts have no idea what is going on the frontlines.
ITS about time those commanders were held accoutable for what goes on in their Dist. Hey boys that's what you get the big money for, so man up. I think it's great! So stop crying little sgt for your boss. After all he was a sgt six months ago.
While we are talking about contact cards....who is the brain dead dumb ass who programed this stupid system.
Am I the only one that gets pissed when I enter the contact DOB and the drop down year GOES INTO THE FUTURE! Like I'm stopping some who was born in 2025!
Cmon. Can some one fix this?
Other comments already covered why the whole issue is B.S.
As usual, the backlash will fall on who it always does. Patrol.
Get ready for more redundant, inane, menial Orders to be read out in Roll Call:
* Confirm Subject's Identity on scene and enter in appropriate box on Contact Card.
* Name Check all Subject's during Field Interview and note LEADS results in narrative.
(NO SHIT. Thanks for the reminders though.)
* Contact Card must now be created for all ALL Warrant Arrests. Warrant# and CB# must be noted in Narrative.
* Contact Card must be approved by a Supervisor before Arrest Report is submitted to Desk Seargent.
* Seperate Photocopy of said card must be turned in by Checkoff.
(Anything they can come up with to impede, hamper, and make doing our job more trivial.)
could actually make the job easier. 8/15/2011 01:04:00 AM
U r crazy
These stat driven, mindless, self centered bosses have unfortunately turned contact cards into another stat long ago. Contact cards were origionally created as an investagatory tool for the street copper. It was a way of the beat copper to make note of something unusual or out of the ordinary on his beat. A way of keeping track of someone suspicious or new to him. Now it's just the opposite. The brass want cards on any humam that walks just to show their bosses how much they make the guys work. Now it's a mad scramble to give them the #'s. More stupid shit made up by people that should never be in command positions.
Anonymous said...
We should be running everyone, when we have the time & tools to do so. McCarthy is right. Those contact cards aren't just a handwriting/typing exercise. If you have the time to take down someone's name & a PDT, you have time to run them. Seriously. How hard can it be?
8/15/2011 01:46:00 AM
Yeah, in a perfect police department, but on this one the PDT's only work 60% of the time. Very often LEADS is down or the zone is too busy to run a name or they blow you off and leave waiting. Sometimes it's just too busy. Now go back to your perfect wotld.
I read the minutes from the Compstat and has anyone mention to the big guy that ANOV'S are a complete waste of time and have zero teeth if you fail to show? Englewood will be a disaster until the people left decide to change their ways, no amount of police work short of locking every one up will do no good.
What I want to know is whos the idiot coppers running out there getting these bosses contact cards?
8/15/2011 12:14:00 AM
My first though upon reading that as wel
You guys are Freaking idiots,did it ever cross your mind that I work for the GOOD people in the city and myself? Everything is not sinister and everythimg doesnt have to be for the commander, grow the F7CK up already!
No contact card will be submitted when the subject is placed under arrest. Per General Order.
There are also specific reasons situations for submitting contact cards and those reasons for the stop must be articulated.
Our Exempt Command Staff (leadership) doesn't know this or doesn't care if you violate somones rights.
I remember years ago, 90's before the current contact card system came to be, someone in 025 filled out a contact card, read something like this ; JUAN FINNIGAN, M/8/34
9' - 13" , 500 lbs. Red eyes, green hair.
A Sgt. signed it but the Lt./WC (similar name that wanted 2 contacts a day) reviewed it a had a fit. No more contact cards.
I disagree with all of you who do not tie up the air with numerous name checks. I say run names all night long and let them choke on a mountain of useless contact cards. Stop writing ANOV's and long form everyone and let the court system back log with thousands of useless piss bums and street whores. Let's all go to court and hit the cash box every time.
he average Joe beat guy can explain in a second why the guy wasn't run-another call,leads down ect ect but these bosses who never did a day of police work have no clue when they get called on it!Same in the Det Div how many of these bosses were Detectives %25? They are clueless when asked about investigative techniques.
Commander FW of 002 WAS and IS the real police. He and his partner RJ used to tear the streets up in the old 006th.
And how about the two goofs on days in 25 that wrote a contact card. Reason for the stop: Unnuetered dog, check for criminal history.
So the do has balls he must have a criminal history?? That's what you get when you demand numbers. Nothing but stupid bullshit.
phone book = contact card
Phone book = curfew
Phone book = lunch
A lot of posters are missing the point of what SupJersey said. He said out of the contact cards that were generated, several of the subjects had warrants and weren't arrested. He wasn't saying to do contact cards on warrant arrests.
This week is gonna focus on if your complaining about needing more manpower, your gonna have to show what you do with what you have. Cmdrs will have to show how many they are authorized, what is their current unit strength, how many detailed out, how many hours used by personnel (furlough, comp,med, etc)as compared to same period last year, basically how many hours of police on beats (dont count admin, people hours inside). This will include comparing to crime stats for previous and present periods. its not a punishment for using time but a lesson in administrative control of personnel. However a few have strated limiting time already (just like the knee jerk reaction to generate contact cards).
These stat driven, mindless, self centered bosses have unfortunately turned contact cards into another stat long ago. Contact cards were origionally created as an investagatory tool for the street copper. It was a way of the beat copper to make note of something unusual or out of the ordinary on his beat. A way of keeping track of someone suspicious or new to him. Now it's just the opposite. The brass want cards on any human that walks just to show their bosses how much they make the guys work. Now it's a mad scramble to give them the #'s. More stupid shit made up by people that should never be in command positions.
8/15/2011 04:17:00 PM
well said....
If city hall let the head of this dept do his job, there would be less frustration and increased morale on this dept. i.e. dumping the dummy double and triple merited.
Too many idiots running the asylum.
just axin
Don't u find it funny that all of these bosses have the cell phones and have text msgs every 2 seconds, new radios and cars with fancy lights ect and the working front line people can't even get a pool car that runs. Not to mention radios that suck, pdt's that don't work, short handed and on and on and on. my advice to all of us is to be careful with the third world equipment. If we could only have one third of the exempt tools we could function as a police dept. 27 yrs and gone next july. I will miss the first 20 yrs of this job not the last 7
My district's PDTs are good as in-car tables and that's about it. Our antiquated text-based version of LEADS--a joke in and of itself--usually doesn't work, CLEAR doesn't work and the Automated Contact Card system doesn't work.
Spend some money to get some real tech people (i.e., NOT in-house) to fix the shit and maybe a few more name checks could actually be done, as it sure isn't possible for every beat cop to be running name checks over the air throughout the tour.
"Comcast" I love it!
Anonymous said...
The GO states that all names must be run when a contact card is done. If a arrest is made no contact card per GO.
8/15/2011 05:44:00 AM
For clarity, would you please cite the order number you referenced? Thanks!
I read the minutes from the Compstat .......
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Why don't you post them here then?
OT- capt in 025 says downtown is telling him only 5 po's a night can take off from now on.
8/15/2011 01:02:00 PM
Make him prove it by showing you the order.
Sweep the streets everyday, end of story.
Anonymous said...
Some of you guys oughta do yourselves a favor and check out the book by bernie kerik, former nypd guy. He's got his own issues but the book talks about his beliefs in accountability in policing, which is what you're going to see here.
The premise of compstat is necessarily to embarass people but to hold everyone accountable from bosses to street cops.
8/15/2011 01:01:00 PM
Right. That would be Bernard B Kerik I presume, former NYPD Police Commissioner. Currently known as Federal Prisoner 84888-054, housed at Federal Correctional Institution, Cumberland, Maryland. Projected release date of 15 Oct 2013.
Is that the right Bernie Kerik and would that Federal stretch in prison be the "issues" you mention?
McCarthy was Kerik's former right hand man. That is what we have leading the CPD. Totally appropriate here.
I'm praying the day comes when one of these bosses in a comp-shit meeting has had enough--and he reams McStupe a new asshole, then leaves the room--and retires with a big FUCK YOU left hanging off of McStupe's nose.
It's all a joke. If a District Commander can walk out on the Supt.
it all means nothing. And McNuttin has nothing. No power, no balls, just a big mouth. He's gonna threaten to make lateral movements?
I don't like my district. If I'm out of line will I too get a lateral movement?
I don't agree with the bullying the Superintendent does at the meetings. However, he does make some valid points. "Are we stopping the right people at the right times? If for 28 days we write over 700 cc but a totally separate category only shows 7 warrant arrests for the same time period it appears we are not stopping the right people.
Funny story and a bit ironic...
Back when J-Fled was here, Washington was questioned on a decrease in contact card activity. When asked for an explanation, his senior captain (Terry Harte) calmly explained, "Our focus is on C.B. numbers (arrests), not contact cards."
BTW... his arrests were up, even though his contact cards were down, so the good captain was not talking out of his ass.
A boss that tells it like it is... a lost art these days.
Sure beats the hell out of making shit up... like Henny Penny's "reverse pod mission"... lol.
Hey you guys got computers in you cars? I guess my car with 108,000 miles on it wont fit a computer with a red sticker on it. I well, the stand makes a good coffee table.
The bosses in Mass Transit tell everyone to make out Contact Cards for every arrest and ANOV.
I can guess who is the moron Lt that is telling the guys at mass transit to do this nonsense. He came to our unit from 25.
Anonymous said...
mccarthy waiting for permission to demote some triple merit commanders
looks like he won't do anything til he gets permission from da hall
doesn't want to be like jfled
demote people than Forced to repromote them , that is very embarrassing to any police superintendent
8/15/2011 03:09:00 PM
Can you blame the Superintendent?
Even though J-Fled was a failure and an incompetent idiot, I am sure he screwed himself into the ceiling after demoting Ernie Brown from an ADS to a Lieutenant, only to have to eat crow and re-promote him all the way up to a Deputy Superintendent.
Honestly, I don't really think it matters if the Superintendent is an insider or outsider anymore. Who ever holds the spot now is not empowered to actually run the department.
The level of overt corruption here should shock the conscious. Unfortunately, it does not.
Thus, the thuggery continues...
Remember Arrests reports that took five mins with a pen. Now it's 40 mins on a good day when the ten year old computer with out dated software even works. Inventories are in the same boat. Contact cards I'm suppose to hang down the middle of the squad car to type with my right hand (most people are) as passenger on a box which is poorly positioned can't be adjusted and again has outdated software. Can't get reports to link for approval let alone ten contact cards a night.
Hey Comstat, stick your numbers game up your butt. I'd produce ten times the numbers if I was not force to work on shit computers with crap programs slower then snail shit in February. Stop giving us more hoops to jump through with increasing worse tools and expect your pathetic numbers to grow. Screw grilling Commanders and try actually listening to the blue shirts. Amend the programs and software, update windows, buy new computer, and stop playing games. If you can't make it easier for me to do my job more efficiently why should I care what the index numbers were last year when there was five more guys writing tickets?
WELL MC-SUP
THE ANSWER WERE ALL IN THE BLOG!!!
NO CONTACT CARD WHEN ARREST MADE.
AGAINST A RULE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY MANDATED BY AN UNKNOWN CLOUT BABY.
AND FOR YOU TO CALL UP THE COMPUTER GEEK TO UPDATE THE SYSTEM SO TIME IS NOT WASTE.
PROBLEM SOLVED.
I FORGET UR IDIOT LACKEYS WHO MAKE OVER 100 K CANT GIVE ADVICE BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY R THE CATS MEOW.
To 8/15/2011 08:29:00 AM
Show some respect...... that's Superintendent PossumHead
I was sent to work the Bud Bilikin parade on Saturday. At checkoff, the female Lt was standing there in her uniform but wearing a pair of flip flop sandals. I may only be a PPO, but I'm pretty sure that's against the regulations. WTF?
8/15/2011 08:13:00 AM
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That was a valuable lesson for you to see that. Regardless if the person made their rank by either merit or by score, there are bosses on this job that shouldn’t or couldn’t be in charge of making fries at McDonalds. Perfect example of a piss poor “leader.”
OT- capt in 025 says downtown is telling him only 5 po's a night can take off from now on.
Lemme guess... Non other than BARNASS?
you dont make out a contact card on a friendly conversation with a citizen.....and dat's dat...
--Wrong-o you are supposed to do a contact card on every person you come into contact with - Even if it's for directions!
And how about the two goofs on days in 25 that wrote a contact card. Reason for the stop: Unnuetered dog, check for criminal history.
--convicted felons cannot have dogs that are not neutered.
It takes two sec to run a name. Why write a contact card if your not going to run them.
man, it was awesome. we drove in circles getting contact cards stepping over each other for the 3rd month in a row in the box. nobody has more than a bag a bud or two on em, thats if we are lucky at that. not a single gun to be found on a street stop or vehicle stop. this is insane. when is this stupidity going to end?
Why would you make out a contact card if you were arresting someone? We only make out contact cards when we let them GO. This includes warrant arrests. Lots of reasons why 4 out of hundreds could have missed the warrant. Maybe the warrants weren't even active at the time of the stop.
Hey, I'm Just Sayin, said...
Anonymous said...
McJerseyshore is as big an asshole as Weis was, give him time, he's going to destroy our Dept. in his own way.
8/15/2011 04:04:00 AM
At least he's going after and embarrassing the asshole exempts. They must be pissing in their pants every time they have to head to 35th street. HILARIOUS!
8/15/2011 05:58:00 AM
REALLY! And what the hell is happening to these asshole exempts? He tried to dump Welch and he couldn't! I assume that he tried to dump Carrothers and apparently he couldn't! So I have to figure that pretty goddamn soon, the rest of these "asshole" exempts are going to figure out that McCarthy and his NY city boys are all bark and no bite! Welcome to Chicago Mister Superintendent.
I remember years ago, 90's before the current contact card system came to be, someone in 025 filled out a contact card, read something like this ; JUAN FINNIGAN, M/8/34
9' - 13" , 500 lbs. Red eyes, green hair.
A Sgt. signed it but the Lt./WC (similar name that wanted 2 contacts a day) reviewed it a had a fit. No more contact cards.
8/15/2011 05:52:00 PM
You can still do silly shit like that on the automated contacts.
Putting males with red hair and pony tails. Or females with facial hair. Not to mention funny nicknames.
gotta have fun sometimes when goofy shit like this is going on.
These stat driven, mindless, self centered bosses have unfortunately turned contact cards into another stat long ago. Contact cards were origionally created as an investagatory tool for the street copper. It was a way of the beat copper to make note of something unusual or out of the ordinary on his beat. A way of keeping track of someone suspicious or new to him. Now it's just the opposite. The brass want cards on any humam that walks just to show their bosses how much they make the guys work. Now it's a mad scramble to give them the #'s. More stupid shit made up by people that should never be in command positions.
8/15/2011 04:17:00 PM
That's exactly what I explained to my Tact LT. He wasn't having any of it.
McCarthy will not last past 2012
Funny...
If any of the merit-cloutorious bossholes did their homework, they should have had a BIG heads-up about how G-mac runs those compstat meetings...
It's all about the ha-hah jackpot/"gotchoazz"/trick-bag quotient. (Something most beat car pilots are very familiar with)
Everybody gets boiled in the same pot of shit stew including exempts... Whoopsie! Not feeling very "exempt" nowadays, are ya?
Heh... We wonder if G-mac will soon start makes the Gold Stars disarm before the meetings?
Heh... Or better still, pass out those pretty, pastel colored paper jump suits we used to hand out in lock-up like door prizes.
"Congratulations muddahfuckaaah!"
(Sent many a stupid-ass to 26th St. wearing one... Ahhh, fun times to be The Police.)
Little birdies say that some Gold Stars have been leaving those meetings looking like they straight-up shit on themselves...
No sympathy. That's a hazard of bending over/kneeling/tendering the right amount of U.S. currency to obtain a Gold Star.
The best thing a Beat Car Pilot can do nowadays is play it straight and make themselves a very small, hard to hit target.
These Gotcha meetings are to keep all the boss rats running scared. McGruff never wants any one to know where they stand with him. Typical New York moron.
And how about the two goofs on days in 25 that wrote a contact card. Reason for the stop: Unnuetered dog, check for criminal history.
So the do has balls he must have a criminal history?? That's what you get when you demand numbers. Nothing but stupid bullshit.
8/15/2011 06:14:00 PM
It's actually a felony if a convicted felon has a canine that is un-neutered.
But I am sure you knew that.
you make an arrest,.. no contact card....you write an a.n.o.v....no contact card,....you write a mover...no contact/traffic card, ...a contact card is supposed to have some type of probable cause listed,...
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WRONG! probable cause = arrest
reasonalbe suspicion= contact card. get your shit (terminology) right your a professional not in the academy.
"you write a mover...no contact/traffic card, ...a contact card is supposed to have some type of probable cause listed,...you dont make out a contact card on a friendly conversation with a citizen.....and dat's dat..."
---For starters, try reasonable suspicion (If it's probable cause, you would likely arrest).
Sweep the streets everyday, end of story.
8/15/2011 07:17:00 PM
we're gonna need more brooms.
A lot of posters are missing the point of what SupJersey said. He said out of the contact cards that were generated, several of the subjects had warrants and weren't arrested. He wasn't saying to do contact cards on warrant arrests.
8/15/2011 06:30:00 PM
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Someone should back-check the 'subjects with warrants' that McLoudmouth claims weren't arrested.
I had a boss use the same line once and we checked on those 'outstanding warrants'. Two were for other people, not those cc'd (common names, physical descriptions weren't even close). One wasn't serviceable here. One had already been served and adjudicated, but hadn't been pulled from the system.
Some people are just McClueless.
"I was always told if your name check pops a warrant arrest you don't do (or turn in) a contact card. It pads the stats..."
Isn't "padding the stats" what it's all about here?
I can remember going out and "getting some curfews" 20 years ago...
I don't feel sorry for any of them. They cheated the system and continue to reap the benefits. It wouldn't take anyone very long to see that these political appointees aren't qualified to be Sgts., much less command staff.
End Gold Braid Pensions Now!!!
To the 5th comment you are an idiot ,did you read the reasons a warr may pop after the fact or do you just not have a clue? Righteous moron
man, it was awesome. we drove in circles getting contact cards stepping over each other for the 3rd month in a row in the box. nobody has more than a bag a bud or two on em, thats if we are lucky at that. not a single gun to be found on a street stop or vehicle stop. this is insane. when is this stupidity going to end?
EXCELLENT! See having a box and flooding it with police does stop the Agg. Batts and Murders. Great job DTEB.
"Back when J-Fled was here, Washington was questioned on a decrease in contact card activity. When asked for an explanation, his senior captain (Terry Harte) calmly explained, "Our focus is on C.B. numbers (arrests), not contact cards."
BTW... his arrests were up, even though his contact cards were down, so the good captain was not talking out of his ass.
A boss that tells it like it is... a lost art these days."
Of course he could tell it like it is, he was facing mandatory age retirement...I'll tell it like it is then too.
Regardless, you treat people with respect not scolding adults like children. The problem of never working in the real world outside your police job.
This will not gain the respect of the rank and file which is already lost by the way he treated 100s of officers, and more to come...
And how about the two goofs on days in 25 that wrote a contact card. Reason for the stop: Unnuetered dog, check for criminal history.
So the do has balls he must have a criminal history?? That's what you get when you demand numbers. Nothing but stupid bullshit.
and obviously your the guy that enters contact cards and dont know anything about working the street. If you see a guy who you are familiar with through numerous gang/narcotic interactions in a high crime area and you know him to be involved in said activity you may stop him when you see him with an unneutered dog. The reason being that convicted felons may not possess an animal which is not fixed. Therefore, you stopped him to confirm he is not a convicted felon. For people on this job its all about numbers numbers numbers... for guys like me its not about numbers its about saying f&ck you to the animals who suck the life out of our tax money. If they want to collect all that free money from the government and not do a damn thing then so be it... when they so much as screw up for the most minor offense I will arrest them and have a smile on my face the whole time. I dont put a case on them, I dont lie or any of that... I mearly wait for them to do it to themselves. 18 years of doing that and I havent been sued yet or taken time. Try it, its a great stress reliever. FU&K THESE ANIMALS!!!! Dont ever give them a pass!
Combining a few posts here, but you'll see why...
"I dont understand why people just wont wait and see how this compstat plays out. I think its great to see bosses being made accountable for their units."
(We went through these same machinations a few years ago. They called them "Accountability Meetings" back then. Results? CPD re-inventing the wheel. Nothing substantive.)
"This will show us a couple of important things and one of them being if the new boss is really going to hold ALL of them accountable or just a few that rub him wrong. That will tell all....."
"He tried to dump Welch and he couldn't! I assume that he tried to dump Carrothers and apparently he couldn't!"
We've already seen that McCarthy isn't running the show; Look at the command "changes"! Nobody's (who's politically liked by the mayor) is going anywhere. "That's just silly!"
"ITS about time those commanders were held accoutable for what goes on in their Dist."
See above and don't forget, shit rolls down hills. You'll suffer long before and for much longer than one of these gold-starred political hacks does.
"Why generate more paper?"
To keep people working! It gives the semi-autistic bosses something else to count! See below.
"The brass want cards on any humam that walks just to show their bosses how much they make the guys work. Now it's a mad scramble to give them the #'s. More stupid shit made up by people that should never be in command positions."
"The premise of compstat is necessarily to embarass people..."
How Freudian.
And how about the two goofs on days in 25 that wrote a contact card. Reason for the stop: Unnuetered dog, check for criminal history.
So the do has balls he must have a criminal history?? That's what you get when you demand numbers. Nothing but stupid bullshit.
8/15/2011 06:14:00 PM
It's actually a felony if a convicted felon has a canine that is un-neutered.
But I am sure you knew that.
8/15/2011 11:40:00 PM
That's funny!!!!!! I love it when the the bitter/salty types on here get burned!!
"when is this stupidity going to end?"
The day after you retire. I'm counting the days 'til I can go!
Don't trust the irish !
Anonymous said...
McCarthy will not last past 2012
8/15/2011 11:16:00 PM
Are you Mayan?
When Terry Gainer was the ISP Director, he and his "posse" brought Comp-Stat there. What a joke!
It's nothing but a scam to embarrass people you don't like. The lame commanders that were in the "chosen few" did just fine, all smoke and mirrors.
Sounds like McMouth and Terry went to the same finishing school.
Anonymous said...
McCarthy will not last past 2012
8/15/2011 11:16:00 PM
Are you Mayan?
8/16/2011 04:21:00 AM
HA!
Anonymous said...
I can remember going out and "getting some curfews" 20 years ago...
8/16/2011 01:29:00 AM
Me too, after roll call at the donut & coffee shop on Clark St near 6000 North. Straight out of the phone book. As legit as anything else here.
as a dispatcher, there is NO excuse for not running at least a routine check on a name/DL when a copper is on a stop. officer safety first/finding possible warrants second. what gives??
Regarding this comment it does bring up a point.... A name check is just that, NAME check...If you are going to run someone run them by their full name dob etc....Running by their DL or ID#'s will not pop a warrant on the hot desk and they could still come back clear in LEADS as a majority of our warrants are NOT put in LEADS... My partner used to make fun of me all the time, I name checked everyone, victims, witnesses, offenders....Who cares, here's your case report mam and oh you're under arrest because of your outstanding warrant.... LOL was always fun to see the look on their face
Whatever happended to " I will do as my employer asks me to do "? Good god ! Why all of the bitching on just about every topic ? I know some people just have to vent and this is a great place to do so, but some folks think they should be running the department as they have all of the answers. Who cares ? If the DC wants contact cards and wants me to run them ( that is if LEADS is up ), ok, I will do that. All in a days work.Keep the stress levels down as much as you can.
7:02 am you need a retread at the academy. If you are writing a "probable cause" in the narrative of a contact card then why aren't you making the arrest? Or are you documenting crimes and not taking police action? It's called reasonable suspicion, I would hate to hear you testify on court.
"You'll suffer long before and for much longer than one of these gold-starred political hacks does."
Yep. They always seen to land on their feet, e.g. Michael Shields.
They're like bad pennies (pun intended), you can't get rid of them.
nonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Some of you guys oughta do yourselves a favor and check out the book by bernie kerik, former nypd guy. He's got his own issues but the book talks about his beliefs in accountability in policing, which is what you're going to see here.
The premise of compstat is necessarily to embarass people but to hold everyone accountable from bosses to street cops.
8/15/2011 01:01:00 PM
Right. That would be Bernard B Kerik I presume, former NYPD Police Commissioner. Currently known as Federal Prisoner 84888-054, housed at Federal Correctional Institution, Cumberland, Maryland. Projected release date of 15 Oct 2013.
Is that the right Bernie Kerik and would that Federal stretch in prison be the "issues" you mention?
McCarthy was Kerik's former right hand man. That is what we have leading the CPD. Totally appropriate here.
8/15/2011 07:22:00 PM
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Yep! That explains the whole theory of their management styles though.
Anonymous said...
And how about the two goofs on days in 25 that wrote a contact card. Reason for the stop:...
Sounds like everybody missed the point. You just can't stop someone for walking an unnuetered dog. You need to explain why you thought the owner was a felon. Stop me for walking my unnuetered, leashed dog just to see if I am an a felon and I will tell you go fuck off. Then maybe a quick call to Loevy to see how much that is worth.
Really, if the PDT is working why is it necessary to ask the dispatcher to run a name or run a vehicle? So that everyone else knows what you got?
Dispatchers are civilians. they are not sworn. when they run a name, they get the same thing you get in the car. So why have them do double work. AND, a dispatcher cannot tell you if a warrant is good or not because even if they do, you still go to the station and you still have to call the LEADS desk or the warrant desk.
Sorry its a pet peeve when officers know they have a warrant or a hot car and then run it on the air, only to hear the dispatcher say, "are you secure?" and the officer calmly says "yes." you know that officer already knows there is a warrant or a hot car in front of him/her. Stop wasting air time doing this b.s.
If you don't know how to read a LEADS printout or hot desk file, you shouldn't be running names, especially in a fast district.
TO:Dispatchers are civilians. they are not sworn. when they run a name, they get the same thing you get in the car.
Umm I hate to break the news to you but for some reason we don't always get the geographical limitations on the pdt because of programming. That is a reason to rn it iver the air because you, the dispatchers can see the geo limitations and advise at that point
Sorry its a pet peeve when officers know they have a warrant or a hot car and then run it on the air, only to hear the dispatcher say, "are you secure?" and the officer calmly says "yes." you know that officer already knows there is a warrant or a hot car in front of him/her. Stop wasting air time doing this b.s.
If you don't know how to read a LEADS printout or hot desk file, you shouldn't be running names, especially in a fast district.
Generally speaking I would say we have great dispatchers, but YOU are WRONG about the above statement unless you are psychic. You HAVE NO IDEA what the officer has on the street.
from a former dispatcher, now a p.o.
And how about the two goofs on days in 25 that wrote a contact card. Reason for the stop:...
Sounds like everybody missed the point. You just can't stop someone for walking an unnuetered dog. You need to explain why you thought the owner was a felon. Stop me for walking my unnuetered, leashed dog just to see if I am an a felon and I will tell you go fuck off. Then maybe a quick call to Loevy to see how much that is worth.
8/16/2011 02:15:00 PM
You have missed every point since the police academy. If you are an actively policing your area you WILL know felons from previous contact. Also walking an unleashed dog is an anov, which is pc, which above and beyond what is needed for a contact card. I really can't believe you are even a police officer, while being this oblivious to your job.
Anonymous said...
And how about the two goofs on days in 25 that wrote a contact card. Reason for the stop:...
Sounds like everybody missed the point. You just can't stop someone for walking an unnuetered dog. You need to explain why you thought the owner was a felon. Stop me for walking my unnuetered, leashed dog just to see if I am an a felon and I will tell you go fuck off. Then maybe a quick call to Loevy to see how much that is worth.
8/16/2011 02:15:00 PM
You have missed every point since the police academy. If you are an actively policing your area you WILL know felons from previous contact. Also walking an unleashed dog is an anov, which is pc, which above and beyond what is needed for a contact card. I really can't believe you are even a police officer, while being this oblivious to your job.
8/18/2011 01:48:00 AM
Just make sure that is on the contcact card. Unnutered dog, check for criminal history says nothing about 1) unleashed, 2) R/O knows of owner's previous conviction, 3) ANOV, no contact card. What the original poster stated was on the contact card is a great way to end up in federal court. Maybe one of those elements was there but if it is not on the card then go hang your ass out to dry, cause that is where it will be.
And how about the two goofs on days in 25 that wrote a contact card. Reason for the stop:...
Sounds like everybody missed the point. You just can't stop someone for walking an unnuetered dog. You need to explain why you thought the owner was a felon. Stop me for walking my unnuetered, leashed dog just to see if I am an a felon and I will tell you go fuck off. Then maybe a quick call to Loevy to see how much that is worth.
8/16/2011 02:15:00 PM
Yeah your right. The police cannot stop somebody to investigate if they are violating a law. Call Loevy because they asked you a question. A contact card does not have to be related to a detention. Not saying its not pimp as fuck. But you can ask people questions without going to prison. People can also answer these questions while not being under arrest. You can also report these things on a contact card.
Officer Safety Info!alderwoman Carrie Austin somehow bullied 22nd Dist bosses into keeping her $$ making carnival at 119 and Marshfield going even after a 10-1 closed same carnival last summer and last weekend! CPIC has knowledge of an "ok corrall" for GDs and BDs for saturday night, but are too scared to cross tha alderwoman! Any civilian and ESPECIALLLY any of us that get hurt tomorrow have your lawyer pull CPD tapes from last Saturday and Hold Carrie Austin and CPD accountable!
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