Polygraph All New Hires
As notoriously unreliable as polygraphs are (they still aren't allowed in most courtrooms), the Department is advertising for two polygraph techs in the Daily Bulletin to assist in the hiring process for new applicants. Anyone have any insight? Anyone care?
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
109 Comments:
Thank god we didnt have them when I came on. Anyone know what kind of questions they are going to be asking?
The tests should weed out at least 60 percent of the b.s. right away and it would save the city tons of money on thousands of investigations of people that could never ever get a police job.
The suburbs have been using polygraphs for years to screen out those without a phone call.
Who among us has not had an impure thought or committed some adolescent indiscretion?
no insight really, just this thought...background checks,work history verify documents,interviews,letters of reference-verified....DOCUMENTATION !
The last goof from IAD flunked the state certification and the great plan was scraped. Here we go again. maybe the powers to bbe will make Shield's the dept chief of the lie box unit.Yeh that's it.
When our elected representatives both local and national are required to do so then I am all for it ! Thanks Mayor....
The Dept trained at least one Sgt and an unk amount of investigators about 1-2 yrs ago, for polygraph techs.... stating they were gonna add it to the hiring process.
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To those that are waiting to get hired, the Shakman Decree requires that the Department put in place, a hiring process, BEFORE any action can be taken.
Federal monitors are required to review/approve/and have the option to sit in on any hiring steps
IF the Dept hires this batch of recruits in Sept-Dec '11 (w/o polys), and you get polygraphed in 2012+/rejected... ...hire an attorney to see if you have a case- different standards
The City shouldn't be allowed to polygraph unless it is stated/arranged during the initial application stage
Just a thought, I could be wrong- criticism/responses welcome and expected
My polygraph experience for a murder: The guy that flunked was not the offender, nor was he ever at the scene. The offender passed the box. Go figure. I have another example but it is too long for this section. They are "only in the opinion of the examiner".
Wasn't there supposed to be a class in Sept.? They must of found better things to use the money for. Just like how they spent the money instead of making a single detectives class in 4 years or other Sgt / Lts. Classes.
Not a bad idea. The mayor and alderman should take one too before getting sworn in
"Anyone care?"
No, SCC. We don't care.
How about we polygraph everyone who has ever made rank on this job with the question: "Are you a merit promotion?" This simple question alone will surely yield comedy like no other.
Then, for really big shits and grins, we could modify the questions for the Gold Star Brassholes. We could reference envelopes, sexual favors, nepotism, cronyism, political and religious sponsors, etcetera, etcetera.
And as notoriously unreliable as polygraphs are, we really don't need them to see the truth surrounding the sordid past of many in the upper-echelon of the CPD.
Polygraphs should have been used a long time ago, then a lot of the riff raff we have on CPD would have never been hired. I had to take it when working in the burbs, and it's no big deal. It's a great tool to weed out candidates who mainly did a lot in the past that they got away with; such as heavy drug use, theft, etc; etc. The only people that have to fear polygraphs are those who have shady pasts.
Didn't they have about 15 or 20 who went through months and months of training and not ONE passed the exam? About 18 months ago or so?
Good, I don't want to work with any criminals.
Something doesn't smell right. There are companies that offer these services (for banks and such) that could be contracted. The City contracts for everything else during the hiring process.
The only insight I can offer is that I will be taking that polygraph in two weeks.
Anyone hear any rumblings about when the next academy might be?
They will stop doing it after they discover it eliminates "people for the community."
Someone needs to put G-MAC on a polygraph.
He's always stated that he wants to take politics out of the police department but his actions tell a different story. How else could he explain keeping Downtown Ernie Brown and Tony Carothers in their current positions? These 2 would be over their head in a kiddie pool!
Now he's letting them force Mike Shields on him?
Come on G-Mac tell it like it is.
Back in the 1970s, Phil Schitz took a kajillian suburban police department tests. And flunked every single polygraph test. Polygraph machines are unreliable, but don't tell the arrogant pricks at John Reid.
I heard that downtown brown is going to run the polygraph unit.
They probably can use this test to their benefit by stating they can't hire anyone because they can't get enough people to pass the test.
What a great way to waste millions more dollars in litigation ! The Bar Association must love the fools who run our city !
Took a poly for CC Sheriffs, a lot of people failed but it's really not a big deal if you have nothing to hide.
Polygraphers wanted
Ladner, Tracey R.
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 6:08 PM
To: everyone
Notice of Job Opportunity- Polygraph Examiners
The Human Resources Division is seeking two Department members to conduct polygraph examinations to complement our background investigations. Interested applicants must have demonstrable experience in conducting polygraph investigations and have excellent attendance and disciplinary records. Members selected for this assignment must be willing to work a variety of hours/shifts. Minimum qualifications include a current license to conduct polygraph examinations in the State of Illinois. Interested members who meet the minimum qualifications must submit a resume, letter of interest, and proof of meeting the license requirements to the Director of the Human Resources Division no later than 2359 hours on August 9, 2010.
Tracey R. Ladner
Director
Human Resources Division
Chicago Police Department
(312) 745-5300
fax: (312) 745-6945
Pax: 0521
tracey.ladner@chicagopolice.org
Sociopaths and psychopaths can pass polygraphs without breaking a sweat. CIA trains their people how to pass a polygraph. It only works on good people with a conscience.
wait until you see the washout rate when they use them...in the suburbs its usually 60-70%...how are they gonna get anyone that hasn't smoked weed...
Overpriced quackery that the city can't afford, bad idea, but I'm biased cuz I've failed a couple. Too much of it is the examiners opinion of you. Take that money and put it into hiring so more dics can get made and conduct thorough backgrounds.
Anonymous said...
Polygraphs should have been used a long time ago, then a lot of the riff raff we have on CPD would have never been hired. I had to take it when working in the burbs, and it's no big deal. It's a great tool to weed out candidates who mainly did a lot in the past that they got away with; such as heavy drug use, theft, etc; etc. The only people that have to fear polygraphs are those who have shady pasts.
8/14/2011 12:49:00 AM
STRONGLY DISAGREE!!!
They are unreliable and certainly cannot be used as a predictor of any FUTURE behavior.
While I was waiting to be hired in 1977 by CPD, I took a polygraph applying for a security job at Glodblatt's Dept store. They said my score "did not fall within the range" they are comfortable with in their employees.
Three months later I was a Chicago Police officer and in 27 yrs, was never sued, never had a sustained CR, or a days suspension, and all this while working in Cabrini-Green, 010 and 015 and most of it as the real police.
Goldblatt's, on the other hand, ceases to exist.
I have never trusted or believed in their use ever since.
I have taken two in my lifetime. Lied on both ( nothing major like where Stacy is). Passed both. They are a joke.
the top 5 questions asked of all prospective recruits will be-- 1. do you love rahmbo--2. have you ever smoked dope-- 3. have you ever been to an eminem concert-- 4. do you believe in mary worth-- 5. are you a cubs or sox fan???...
Let's poly everyone promoted off the last two tests. Find out which ones were in the Secret Study Group.....
Phil Schitz here said...
Back in the 1970s, Phil Schitz took a kajillian suburban police department tests. And flunked every single polygraph test. Polygraph machines are unreliable, but don't tell the arrogant pricks at John Reid.
8/14/2011 03:36:00 AM
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And THERE'S my proof!
Kid, you just gave away the proof to what everyone here already could tell from your posts.... you're a wannabe who's been rejected from every department you've ever applied for.
So now you feel you found a home here, creating your own little world for yourself where you talk about yourself in third person (a common trait amongst the insane) and you act like you're a part of the CPD in crying and bitching about things you have no idea of other than what you've read here or solicited from real police that didn't get away from you in time.
Sit back and read, rather than write here kid. Nothing you post has insight because you are not a cop. Your opinion being merely reguritated comments of actual police ain't considered "relevant comment".
Just watch, and keep dreaming how you always wanted to be the police, but were denied at every turn.
They are a great tool for investigations.
Back before there was an FOP Contract, an officer could be ordered to take a polygraph if a citizen who complained took it and passed. Suspensions were being made based on the results of the box! Ignoring the fact that habitual liars and psychos show little of no reaction when they lie. John Reid had so many clients from the City Police and Fire Depts., that they maintained an office on Wabash devoted almost exclusively for them. Lock-up Keepers and working street cops were there regularly. When we got the Contract, that Reid office closed. (Reid was another wired City contractor.) One of the benefits of the first FOP contract was the elimination of these tests in the CR process.
I retired after 32 yrs. of service with CPD at the rank of Sergeant. I joined following service in Vietnam. If I had been polygraphed to join CPD I would have failed.
Once again testing does not predict capability or success, and the lie box is only 80% effective. Basing a potential 30 yr. career and over 1.5 million dollars in salary and benefits on one lie box test is worth challenging in court, especially if your kid failed.
months of training and not ONE passed the exam...
not sure who else went- have met the personnel division goof sgt who was sent- and failed the certification--and still works in personnel....
In the words of George Costanza...It's not a lie if you believe it...
They should polygraph the aldercritters too....
Polygraphs are used by law enforcement agencies all over the country to screen applicants. CPD is in the minority in not using them. Generally, the department hires one of several companies that specializes in screening police applicants. The companies also are retained to give a psychological exam to weed out people as well. If CPD had been doing this all along, it may have avoided hiring the clown that beat up the bartender or the two deviants in 023 who took advantage of a drunk. Come to think of it, such testing probably would have prevented the initial hiring of certain exempts.
Why not just get a psychic to read applicant's deepest thoughts? Roughly as accurate and cheaper if you negotiate hard.
Hey SCC, put the link for for
Penn & Teller Bullshit Season 7 Episode 5 Lie Detectors
on the blog. Compelling evidence on why the test is BS plus instructions on how to beat it. You must admit having a link on how to beat it is funny as hell. Here it is:
http://youtu.be/NsoI92BfmqY
12:09 is correct.
It's another way to weed out those without a phone call.
Polygraph is notoriously unreliable.
If you are flunked out, we will file class action after the 1st class is hired.
I work for a suburban department and am involved in the background investigation process. The polygraph is a good tool to have--it's a good way to follow up on questions and discrepancies that come up during the background investigation.
We administer polygraphs fairly late in the process, after the background investigation, but before the oral interview psych, medical and conditional offer of employment.
That being said, we only have to administer polygraphs to 10-15 candidates at a time, and that's just to hire 3 or 4 recruits. I don't know what it would cost, or how practical it would be, to administer to hundreds of applicants.
use it to screen command staff
have you ever used your rank for sexual favors?
Just about every police hiring agency in the suburbs utilizes the polygraph for hiring. They generally ask questions relating to your answers on your written application to see if you are truthful. They always ask you if you ever sold drugs.It is just a tool. You can challenge this with your attorney and and by hiring your own polygraph operator. They do not ask about your impure thoughts or adolescent indiscretions.
It could have the same effect as hair samples. When an applicant thinks he will be caught in a lie he takes himself out of the running by not showing up.He then makes an excuse wht he doesnt want the job. That way he doesn't embarrass himself or a family member already on the job.
I took the polygraph back in the 70's on a Burtality Beef along with six others. I lied through my teeth & passed. That's how good those tests are.
man that would of meant that half the classes going back to 1947 would never have been hired in the 1st place if they did that then....
Sociopaths & psychopaths have no problem passing polys. If one is nervous about taking the test, he will fail. Worse than useless.
"Didn't they have about 15 or 20 who went through months and months of training and not ONE passed the exam? About 18 months ago or so?"
Incorrect, a detective and a sergeant passed. They are both state licensed. Several other detectives that did not pass the state license test went back to their original assignments.
The potential new hires are going to be polygraphed starting this week. We will see how this new process shakes out. I am sure there will be changes as it progresses.
121 said;
I should be able to polygraph when taking any statement, it only be to help the officer.
When I volunteered for the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office, they did a polygraph as one of the many requirements. The Sergeant asked me a question 'if i eve had molested any child.'
The answer was no but the question made me think about what my uncle did, so it showed in the polygraph. He shuffled the questions and asked again, this time i focused on the question and passed. I told him afterwards but after that don't trust the polygraph
My polygraph experience for a murder: The guy that flunked was not the offender, nor was he ever at the scene. The offender passed the box. Go figure
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There's a reason the results aren't admissable in court, and the above is it.
Aside from being unreliable and inconclusive, they can also be beat. And as you posted here, much of it is subjective.
Just more voodoo science passing as the real thing.
Anonymous said...
Thank god we didnt have them when I came on. Anyone know what kind of questions they are going to be asking?
8/14/2011 12:06:00 AM
There would no be a Traffic unit!!
Sample question: Have you had to perform sexual favors for any Dept member that resulted in your advancement in rank or placement in a favorable unit?
Answer: uh, Duh, that was, uh, Huh? Say that again, please.
Anyone have any insight?
nope.
butt i do have some hindsight.
How about polygraphing the exempts and ask them who made them put in their merit choices..if they did not fill out their Shakman decree, then fire their ass!!!!
The only people that have to fear polygraphs are those who have shady pasts.
8/14/2011 12:49:00 AM
the truth of this statement depends entirely upon the precise nature and wording of the questions asked.
Something doesn't smell right. There are companies that offer these services (for banks and such) that could be contracted. The City contracts for everything else during the hiring process.
8/14/2011 01:04:00 AM
they're all reputable companies, therefore, useless in this context.
All I can say is there is a reason why Hillard's company will not do the polygraph of people in the hiring process. It's called LAW SUIT!!! So the department is looking for suckers to fill that void. Just think if you tell someone they can't come on this job because you failed them on the polygraph exam. See ya in court!!!...and that is the main reason why Hillards company will not have anything to do with polygraphing anyone in their portions of the hiring process.
There was a polgraph class a while back and only a couple of officers completed the course because the others figured this is the first time the department is using this in the hiring process and you know there will be law suits coming with your name on it. Yeah the city covers you then they will throw you under the bus...now can you say.... PUNITIVE DAMAGES!!!!!
Anonymous said...
Polygraphs should have been used a long time ago, then a lot of the riff raff we have on CPD would have never been hired. I had to take it when working in the burbs, and it's no big deal. It's a great tool to weed out candidates who mainly did a lot in the past that they got away with; such as heavy drug use, theft, etc; etc. The only people that have to fear polygraphs are those who have shady pasts.
8/14/2011 12:49:00 AM
Sometimes those with a little trouble in their past make the best cops. We don't need more people like those who would allow a flash mob to beat them up.
" Take me to the brig, thats where the real Marines are" Chesty Puller.
Oh well who really gives a shit anymore anyway.
".....it's not a lie if you believe it."
- George Costanza
Fun Fact #1 - Active liars pass polygraph exams.
Fun Fact #2 - You still DO NOT have to be a U.S. Citizen to get on this job. Homeland security, are you listening? The C.P.D. DOES NOT require hires to be U.S. Citizens. Am I the only one that's bothered by this?
Polygraph is a joke beat em once, beat em twice, take the job and eat free chicken soup w rice.
Let me get this correct - I'm suppose to get stressed that the police department is asking me if I commited a crime. I have not been mirrandized and the statue of limitations ran out years ago, plus most the crap I did as a teenage which you cannot ask anyway. Sure I'll pass your test because I'm morally outraged at this nonsense and have no reason to stress when I see the reality of my situation. Added to the fact the polygraph is a joke and the interpreter was trained by CPD lololol
Polygraph all gold star exempt bosses. Do that once and the city will never again mention "polygraph" and "hiring" in the same sentence.
I've been on the lie box for jobs and on one the examiner finished and said a certain question of interest indicated deception. We talked about it for a while and he related that most of the job was his interpretation of the readout. If you have nay doubt about the lie detector, search out Penn and Teller's series "Bullshit". The episode on lie boxes is unbelievable. It'll change the way you think about them.
Sounds like the Vanecko & Daley Polygraph and Lying Son of a Bitch Detection Company is about ready for business.
Tracy ladner told polygraphers that even if shitbag fails the polygraph they would still be hired.....
This is a waste of time and money. The riff raff who flunk will sue just like those who flunk the Psyche part ...then the city will settle...hire them back pay them money for time missed and give them seniority
Polygraph school takes about 6 months plus I thought those people were all the rank of detective. What gives?
In the words of George Costanza...It's not a lie if you believe it...
8/14/2011 09:00:00 AM
LOL..pretty much sums it up. They are most certainly beat-able. They're used more as an interrogation technique/ prop than anything else. If the "technology" were dead on, it would be admissible in court. But it's not.
Anyway, sounds like CPD conferenced with Sheriff Dart on savvy ways to hire so that future F*%$k Up's by officers can be less of a liability/ embarrassment on the Department, because after all, it "screened" it's applicants well. There's still a ton of shady folks who get through these however.
Just look at it as another obstacle in the long gauntlet that is the CPD hiring model, with its years long waiting lists and excruciatingly slow process. Cause that's what CPD needs right now. They'll probably be using Sheriffs polygraphers for this (all two of them,....since ya'll don't have your own).
If they can't pass the box how will they ever be able to testify in court. More importantly how will they suck ass get prompted and gain the trust of who they supervise so they can throw them under the bus and become the 1st. Dep anal licker?
It's all legit here. Keep moving nuttin ta C heer.
1 Sgt and 5 Detectives sent to one year of training. One Detective passed state test. Huge waste of money. Goof Sgt still works in Human resources but the other two Sgts who were doing background investigations got dumped. All who went to training also recieved 4 hours O.T. everyday of training. Huge money wasted on this program allready.
Dart started this nonsense. Another way to bounce War Vets and people who acted like a typical college student on vacation. We have enough Mormon cops. Just an opinion from someone who's trained people for 8yrs. though i can see the positive in these tests to many negs that why their not in court.
In lieu of the polygraph, we should use tea leaves, chicken entrails or cast bone runes. It will be just as accurate and probably cheaper.
Departments that require a polygraph as a part of the hiring process do not tell you that you failed the poly. They will say that you either don't meet there requirements or did not pass one of the portions of the testing process. You can not sue when you don't know why you failed.
Off record: Rumor central says Rahm is going to permit teachers to live outside the city. Is this true? WTF.
They only work part time and get full time pay and benefits. 5 hours in school, 1 hr for prep =6 hrs a day.
Many years ago while I was out in California visiting relatives, I caught a bunch of commercials on TV advertising that the LA County Sheriff's Dept. was
hiring. I had only been on the CPD for two years,
hadn't had much time invested into the job, and I
thought about relocating to LA, so I took their written,
agility and physical exam over several days. They seemed very interested in hiring me. I also took a Polygraph exam in which I was asked some really
way-out-there questions regarding sex practices
(but I guess beastiality and such aren't that far out
in LA). The following day, I was called by my case agent with the LCSD to come in for a followup interview. I showed up, believing that they were
going to hire me. After I sat down for my interview, I realized these guys were some real dummies.
First, they didn't believe any of my statements I made concerning thefts; I told them that I had never
stolen anything out of a store, or ever taken a gratuity (which was true then and is now). All they would say was that they didn't believe I was being 'truthful.' I asked my interviewers what did my polygraph results show. They told me that they believed I had been 'coached to beat the lie box.'
(Apparently my test results showed I was being
truthful, which they refused to accept). I told my
interviewers that I had never seen lie detection
equipment before (I hadn't). They in turn informed me that 'if you're not going to be truthful, it's going to hold up your getting hired.' After several rounds of this kind of talk, I walked out of the interview, telling both interviewers that the problem wasn't
me, it was them.
This was my only experience with a polygraph test.
Based upon that, I would tell anyone that I wouldn't
give much credence to polygraphs, or their results.
They can be interpreted any way the polygraph examiner wishes to interpret them, and I hope our dept. doesn't consider results of these tests absolutes in making decisions as to hire candidates, or not.
Everything you need to know about polygraphs is HERE.
http://antipolygraph.org/lie-behind-the-lie-detector.pdf
"The Lie Behind The Lie Detector"
by George W. Maschke
They are gonna free up some more money for my flower pots. Now quit your bitching about no movement for four years. We dont need more cops wheh are you guys gonna get with the program. Now send me that check and I ship out another of my cement trucks full of second hand cement.
Anonymous said...
Polygraphs are used by law enforcement agencies all over the country to screen applicants. CPD is in the minority in not using them. Generally, the department hires one of several companies that specializes in screening police applicants. The companies also are retained to give a psychological exam to weed out people as well. If CPD had been doing this all along, it may have avoided hiring the clown that beat up the bartender or the two deviants in 023 who took advantage of a drunk. Come to think of it, such testing probably would have prevented the initial hiring of certain exempts.
8/14/2011 09:25:00 AM
It's like this see, you keep it in house and the "right"
candidates always pass. This is Chicago, see.
drug testing and fingerprinting weeds out a good percentage of potential rats wanting to be the popo. Once they start "lowering the standards", then we are f*cked.
Why don't they poly all poltiicans before they are elected?
Pop three valium and you can pass anything.
Sample question: Have you had to perform sexual favors for any Dept member that resulted in your advancement in rank or placement in a favorable unit?
Answer: uh, Duh, that was, uh, Huh? Say that again, please.
8/14/2011 12:50:00 PM
This is so funny and so true. It would eliminate a lot of people that I have known from police officers to dep supt.
wait until you see the washout rate when they use them...in the suburbs its usually 60-70%...how are they gonna get anyone that hasn't smoked weed...
8/14/2011 07:24:00 AM
Smoking weed , in and of itself, does not eliminate you from a police job. It is the fact that you sold weed, or you still smoke weed is the real factor. Even federal law enforcement hires people who admit to smoking some weed in their past : it was given to them at a party and it was experimentation is the correct answer.
Did DTEB pass?
Who has this contract the daley family? Let me guess old terry hillards company which was hired to help screen recruits is getting this also? People thought terry was not smart coming back as a short timer as boss but look what he pulled off!
To those who are supporting the use of polygraphs, do your research before you agree to some witch hunt by the city. THEY DON'T WORK!
There's a reason they're not allowed in the courts.
Years ago when the CPD allowed the "box" police bosses would threaten you with the box when they had no other way of getting you to bow down to their wishes. The Supreme Court threw the lie box out of court trials and the city followed suit. Wonder who will cash in on this contract. There is always money involved in these things. Lie detector tests are totally unreliabel and just used to weed out those folks who can't make a call to their Chinaman.
Great I sold 2 pills of adderall in college. There goes my chance of becoming a CPD officer.
wait until you see the washout rate when they use them...in the suburbs its usually 60-70%...how are they gonna get anyone that hasn't smoked weed...
8/14/2011 07:24:00 AM
Smoking weed , in and of itself, does not eliminate you from a police job. It is the fact that you sold weed, or you still smoke weed is the real factor. Even federal law enforcement hires people who admit to smoking some weed in their past : it was given to them at a party and it was experimentation is the correct answer.
8/14/2011 10:24:00 PM
The idea is that if you admit to "trying it" in the past, make sure that you answer honestly when the question. They don't care if you tried weed in college, they care if you lie about the continued use. The pee test will prove if you are still smoking the "wacky weedus"
Some people are complaining that the poly is not an exact science. True, it is not "100 percent" accurate, however; I have done some research on polygraphs for a school research paper in the past. They do work well and can detect lies when potential applicants are trying to get on the P.D. who have shady backgrounds, especially when they have done serious criminals acts, high value/dollar thefts, and heavy drug use with-out ever getting caught for these crimes. I mean seriously, look around and see some of the degenerates sitting with us in roll call....we all have a good huntch who use to be a gang banger, drug user/dealer, and thief before getting on this job! The polygraph will not weed out every low-life, but it will weed out a lot of idiots that don't need to be the police. I think CPD should give the poly to get hired.
How to beat a polygraph:
http://youtu.be/NsoI92BfmqY
penn & teller bulshit show
IF the Academy and truly dedicated FTOs are allowed to do their jobs, a whole lot of riffraff can be removed from our ranks before they (1) graduate from the Academy, or (2) work past their 18 month probationary period. That, and good background checks from Personnel (Human Resources) without the meddling that had become commonplace for the connected will
do plenty to prevent asshats from becoming future embarrassments on the CPD.
But, does it apply to the Superintendent position? Because DTEB would be out, shit even Mac-Zero would have been out of the running.
Even federal law enforcement hires people who admit to smoking some weed in their past : it was given to them at a party and it was experimentation is the correct answer.
8/14/2011 10:24:00 PM
You obviously have no connection with CPD. The correct answer for one agency is not the correct answer for another. Do not advise potential candidates unless you have specific information that applies to CPD hiring. Otherwise, make your comments over on the FED Blog. It is located on the net at www.spillurguts_&_wefuckuover.com
Anonymous said...
Pop three valium and you can pass anything.
8/14/2011 09:02:00 PM
Even a kidney stone?
Anonymous said...
wait until you see the washout rate when they use them...in the suburbs its usually 60-70%...how are they gonna get anyone that hasn't smoked weed...
8/14/2011 07:24:00 AM
Smoking weed , in and of itself, does not eliminate you from a police job. It is the fact that you sold weed, or you still smoke weed is the real factor. Even federal law enforcement hires people who admit to smoking some weed in their past : it was given to them at a party and it was experimentation is the correct answer.
8/14/2011 10:24:00 PM
I am not a big fan of weed. I much prefer hashish.
Depending upon the parameters and the questions asked, which need to be thuroughly researched to increase the probability of identifying antisocial and potentially criminal individuals, I think it would be at least one tool the Department could use to weed out undesirables. But what about those individuals that we have occasionally worked with that weren't "wrapped too tight"? There are some guys and girls I've come across on this job that had issues which transcended criminality. Irrational actions and decisions made by some of these folks can and have resulted in everything from lawsuits to serious injury and death. It's a broad area of consideration, but worth exploring.
Like someone on here said polygraph all alderman and their staffs! Strangely (obviously) the aldercreeps exempted themselves from the inspector generals investigations wonder what they have to hide? How about the former stick up man,served time in prison armed robber,jesse whites boy walter burnett he could start there!
Polygraphs have a high false positive rate. Something like 15% of the people polygraphs claim are lying are actually telling the truth, but the machine says otherwise. As a mass screening mechanism it is very cost effective, unless you are one of the 15% it fails for no discernable reason.
The false negative rate is somewhat lower purportedly then the false positive rate, but there are a fair number of people who are able to fool the machine (or more likely to fool the examiner).
My guess is that overall it is somewhat better than intuition as a means of determing veracity, but it has some serious shortcomings.
Didn't they have about 15 or 20 who went through months and months of training and not ONE passed the exam?
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The normal training class is not real long, just a couple months long, and not especially rigorous. I don't see how anyone who is literate enough to pass any civil service test could not become a polygraphist. It is not rocket science.
Years ago the department had polygraph investigators.
Forget the polygraph test; go with the Voight-Kampff test
The normal training class is not real long, just a couple months long, and not especially rigorous. I don't see how anyone who is literate enough to pass any civil service test could not become a polygraphist. It is not rocket science.
Really? Then I guess you could apply yourself and get the position. Also, from what I've heard, it isn't the class that is difficult, it is the State Licensing exam that is very difficult to pass.
FYI some of the people that didn't pass the test, didn't WANT to pass the test. They didn't want to work for Ladner or the goof Sgt.
Doris Ely is a gypsy reader advisor and maybe they should have her do a reading on these people and if she sees that they will screw up in the future they should not be hired.
Everyone has to do it at our place. I passed after taking a bunch of shit from the examiner about an alcohol possession from when I was 18. Didn't know it at the time but this douchebag was a detective that was also the polygraph examiner. Long story short, about two years later they did a joint warrant with DEA on some shithead dopers and hit the motherload of cash. So Mr. fuckin honest joe decides he's due for a bump in pay. DEA searches everybody before they leave and finds about $2k in his fruit of the looms. Typical cover up bullshit with our chief, he walks away after resigning, now collecting his pension.
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