A Good Question
- With a summer heat wave upon us, beaches are already packed and the popular Air & Water Show is just around the corner. So why aren’t police officers going to be patrolling the lakefront on ATVs?
CBS 2 [...] reports that top brass at the Chicago Police Department recently ordered all ATVs removed from the beaches.
At North Avenue beach on Wednesday, there were plenty of police officers on foot and riding around on bicycles, but none on ATVs.
The vehicles apparently aren’t designed to be used on the roads so that officers can ride them to the beach.
Surprise! Because everyone knows bikes work so well in the sand. So why even have these things if they can't be used as designed? Or used in an optimal capacity? Someone probably thought they looked cool.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
157 Comments:
after so many years they have been using PAPV's(since before 1992 when I ame on) now they decide they are not safe to operate on the streets? something doesnt smell right here......
OT
Shitheads living on the 7500 block of W Belmont had a party tonight. All was fine and dandy (if shithead's breathing is considered fine) until 2 f/4s decided to pepper traffic with empty beer bottles at the intersection of Belmont/Osceola. 25th Dist Officers responded quickly and efficiently.
Be safe, ladies and gents. The shit is spreading.
How can you hold an air show in this kind of heat where people may be falling down because of it and with millions of people preventing the first responders from being able to get where they need to be!
It should be canceled. The CFD doesn't have enough two and one-half inch hoses to turn on the peoples do they?
Okay, so maybe the braintrust at the department could invest in - wait for it - a TRAILER, and haul the stupid things to the beach, so they can be used?
Sun Times is reporting that Alderman Burke's bodyguards/gofers received just $600,000. in compensation last year.
Not bad..
Are you sure that some brass somewhere didn't need one or two for his personal beach or back woods property somewhere ...you know how that works.
Economy of scale right? I would not be surprised.
feds inspected the papv's and said they are not safe!
The reason is the state doesn't allow the "sand" tires (off road thread) on streets and the "street" tires (slick) are useless in the sand. There are ideas to store them at the water reclamation plant at Ohio St or even at North Ave. Beach. Then the problem is finding a way to refuel them.
This isn't a CPD screw up but instead state law not allowing "sand" tires on streets.
What? I see those ATVs cruising along city streets all the time.
Otherwise, why can't we get Streets & Sanitation to transport them on flat-bed tow trucks?
So you have expensive equipment and what is it going to do, sit in a warehouse?
It would be good to interview whoever made that decision. Maybe that would be the catalyst to dump some of your senior staff.
The bike police should all be riding electric bicycles. Yes, they exist and are awesome.
OT: I called the fop about putting the seniority dates of the lowest bidders back up on their webpage each month so we have an idea of what kind of time it takes to get where. Rich Aguilar's response (thru his secretary b/c he is too good to talk to a lowly p o about this matter) was that it was the least viewed page on their website and not worth the trouble doing cause nobody looked at it anyway.
Hey jagoff, I look at it!! Every month, and a lot of people I know do too. Quit being a lazy fuck and do what we hired u to do. Jeez. And maybe if u didn't practically hide the page on Ur site more people would look at it Asshole.
Sad thing is I voted for this guy last election. Never again. What would that take, about an hour TOPS once a month to do and this guy is so "busy" he can't be bothered with it. Man what a bunch of useless fucks we got down there.
I worked the lakefront for years on the papv's. They were great for getting though crowds. Stupid move by HQ. But what is new there? Geez.
Also, as a point of fact, we weren't wearing helmets, so, it's a good decision. McStupid is showing that he cares about US.
We were also told in 025 that they cannot be used in the parks either! Cannot drive them on the streets to get to the park, so they must stay at the station. Real smart! These things worked great, especially at Riis and Blackhawk parks dealing with the bangers.
It will be interesting to see how the rest of the summer will go. Next May is going to be a monumental Cluster F*^! Let's hope the brass (lil Debbie...) keep CPD ahead of te game for the Nato / G8 Summit.
Doesn't ATV stand for All Terrain Vehicle? Aren't these the same vehicles that are used downtown everyday and at every event?
Thats the dumbest shit Ive ever read. What are they going to do? Explode?Worst case theyll wear out a set of tires in a season.
They only thing thats changed are the assholes in charge.
Air & Water show? then why isn't there a boat and blimp detail?
we send up 50 officers in a blimp to keep an eye on things, just in case...
another 50 can go in boats
Yes...using some kind of trailer to get the papvs down to the beach is a good idea...but...the bike paths at the beach are actually considered roadways and this would be against the rules as well. Now what?
They told us 20 years ago that these things were dangerous on city streets because of the tires. We were told they were especially bad on wet city streets, and flip easy. Someone must have a pending lawsuit against the city for an IOD.
City can't afford the gas! Because, most Exempts and All Politicians are thieves for the last 22 years starting with the Ex-Mayor who should be in jail!
Call it like it is!
Da Pelon
Keep them in the boat house locked up at night, transport the officers there and back to station, Duh
2 million will hit the beaches... how many port-a-potties? Oh wait, just piss on a tree, like Rainbow Beach.
THANK GOD FOR THIS OFFICER!!! THANKS TO OUR HEROES IN BLUE!!!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicago-officer-saves-choking-baby-20110804,0,7439823.story
Does anyone here remeber the Cushman scooters of the late 70s-early 80s? You sat in a tiny seat in the cab to drive them (one person vehicles) and they had a cargo space in back for ???
The damned things wouldn't turn a corner, go over small bumps let alone curbs, and they would not operate in sand either. Still they would haul a golfer and his clubs around, if the golfer stayed out of the sand traps.
You could probably trailer one of these to Wisconsin . . .
Okay, so maybe the braintrust at the department could invest in - wait for it - a TRAILER, and haul the stupid things to the beach, so they can be used?
Theres just one hitch....and CFD is using it to hold up the snowmobile trailer.
Micheal Shields (the black one) is coming back from his extended leave of absence on 16 AUG 11 to take Peterson's spot!
Obama took care of him nicely.
Someone probably thought they looked cool.
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Someone probably got a good contract from someone at City Hall.
Okay, so maybe the braintrust at the department could invest in - wait for it - a TRAILER, and haul the stupid things to the beach, so they can be used?
8/04/2011 12:21:00 AM
That's what I thought. I'm sure somewhere in this city, we already have one that would work.
They going to show up in an auction soon? I'll take one.
Chicago's a green city. No one wants to hear or smell those stinky ATV's.
The PAPV's being taken out of service is because of a pending lawsuit the city just got wind of. Something about a person at the Gay Pride parade who got hit by one a few years ago. I dont remember the incident, and dont have any other details.
has everyone forgotten the female officer who ran into/over a few people while driving that thing while in a huge crowd. she had little or no training on that sand buggy. she was taken from caps office, given minimal training and told to report to the detail (forgot the detail) so...the city is probably afraid of the money it will cost them for a repeat of that earlier event.
some truth to this, I guess.....tried to move one of our atv's, was told that "they can't be operated on the street"....???
4 days before the scheming rat left office, Daley stole another 4 million to give to MammyDaley's bullshit after school program.I wonder how much of that cash MammyDaley gets?
WTF, three City water department employees attacked by off duty police detective at 7700 west clarence last saturday? True or not true?
O.T.....Sorry guys I know what F/1 & F/2 are but what is 3 & 4?
OT: Will the demise of the Screaming Skull mean his gal pal Sgt will be dumped from the JTTF, or will they keep dumping the qualified ones?
The CPD PAPV's were modified with street tires and lights for street use. The IVC was then modified to exempt them and allow for their registration and plating. With the tires they have on, they are pretty crappy in soft sand and useless at the beach,except for driving on the bike path. I think their use is being restricted based on the case in Miami, where 2 officers were playing around, drunk, and with female passengers on the back an killed someone.
The city is just trying to save gas money. . . .
Ok I'm confused again by this departments logic(I guess I shouldn't be surprised after all these years). Last year I had to take a mandatory PAPV class which was supposed to be an all day training. (Actually lasted about 30 minutes). The idea was to utilize 2 PAPV's in the district per day. During the training the P.O.(instructor) stated that these PAPV's were to be used off road not on the city street. There was also a big warning sign directly on the gas tank of the PAPV with stating do not ride on the paved streets. I immediately took a picture of said warning. So what comes next? We are told/ordered to patrol the rest of the day on the streets on said PAPV. Well unfortunately no accident/injury occurred so I wasn't able to file my lawsuit lol. But the district continues to send 2 officers a day out on these PAPV's even though the warning sticker is clear as day.
Is Steve "The Sceaming Skull" really gone?
Who cares!? My pool car isn't designed to be used on the street either and probably hasn't been in years but I get to take it out when I'm told all the other cars are out.
The NHTSA (Nat'l Highway Traffic Safety Administration) were the ones who recently ruled that 4-wheel ATVs (our PAPVs) cannot be licensed as passenger cars like they are for police use and therefore cannot be driven legally on public roads, even with the modification of adding street tires. This change affects several police agencies across the country. Chicago PD is not the only one using 4-wheelers on patrol. The ruling came down nearly a year ago. The department has simply been ignoring it because the PAPVs are perfectly suited to what we use them for.
This time the department chose to do the right thing and keep using them as long as possible. It's the Federal Government who has taken another perfectly good law enforcement tool away from us.
When the new ATVs were ordered to replace the three wheel Harley fleet they were ordered with modifications that made them STREET LEGAL. Unless things have changed since I retired, the specs should still be the same.
The other question is why would you put bicycle tires on an ATV? And then tell field officers "we put new tires on but don't ride it cause its not safe?? Seriously??
And if the order is not inwriting do we have to pay attention to it?
Question-
When did the unions bargain away field personnel the right to a day off? Lollapalooza is this weekend and 2 people from the district are being forced to work it (yeah they get paid but they had plans with the family which is worth more). The tact team was short and the district had to take watch people who were RDO. But why not be able to take volunteers even if they work another watch? Days off mean those people may have been free. This is crap!
Keep them at Navy Pier,Change the tires.Problem solved.
word is that the city is using cheap tires from the "Vanecko" tire company that aren't approved for driving city streets. Because of this numerous warranties concerning the papv's are not being honored.
They are cool looking
POTATO-
Police Officer Trained As Trailer Operator,
Title code 9199
That will be D2A pay in no time.
You heard it here folks.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-boy-13-critically-injured-in-bronzeville-neighborhood-shooting-20110803,0,782518.story
I hope people see this - this kid is the opposite of the one who was recently caught shooting out windows with a bb gun before turning it on the police. All those trophies his mom is displaying - he obviously had someone who put time, effort, money put into parenting him. And no, I'm not saying you need to spend money to be a good parent - I'm saying this kid was obviously cared for, he wasn't roaming the streets armed well past curfew causing mayhem and grooming himself for worse while nobody knew or cared where he was - no need for anyone to locate who he belonged to, his mother was right behind him at the hospital. Couldn't help but notice that he was in 8th grade at 13, by the way, as opposed to 6th.
Do you think his death will be as big a deal as the kid who lived? I've been seeing flyers around the south side calling for justice for Jimmell - using the same cropped photo of just his head and quoting the newspaper calling him "just a doll, best kid ever" or something like that. What about Darius, do you suppose people will march in the streets for him in anywhere near the numbers calling for police heads? Where will be the outrage and calling for an end to violence done to those who are truly innocent, who didn't do anything to anyone but play basketball, in a park, in broad daylight? If there is any, I'm sure it will center around the police, who are again to blame for not being there to prevent it - and I suspect it won't be his family out there calling for heads/cash.
The quote from his mother, about a certain peace at least knowing that he died doing what he loved, breaks my heart. I'm disgusted and so very sad.
This is really interesting since they used those same ATVs to clear the streets at North Avenue and Spalding; and again on Kimball, between North and Division, on the Saturday night when they were attempting to clear the crowds after the closing of the Puerto Rican Festival on Saturday night of this year.
In both cases the ATVs were running on both the sidewalks and the streets causing the gang bangers to scatter like cockroaches.
At least one officer involved asked camera house to add speakers so he can play Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries" - ala the "Apocalypse Now" scene - when they have to do it all over again next year.
Bring back the SCOOPS! - oops, wrong movie . . . Bring back the ATVs!
Commander Martin is a merit hack who really knows nothing about policing. All she knows is domestic violence. Never should of been more then a ppo.
What did Lincoln say about the police?............you can't fool all the police all the time.
Maybe they should be replaced with Camels?
I worked in Loop Traffic years ago and we rode them all over Downtown and on the drive. Something is afoot here that the Bosses are hiding.
These things were unsafe on the street from the beginning. Bill Corbett was Cmdr of Motor Maintenance and made the call to buy the 1st PAPV's, they were bought from Polaris.
Polaris stopped selling directly to the city and stopped shipping parts because the city slapped license plates on them and used them on the street and they were not DOT approved for street use.
Coppers were getting hurt in accidents and started suing Polaris and Polaris said enough is enough. Typical city bullshit.
City started buying Yamaha etc. Still, they were all off-road vehicles. Yamaha and Polaris never made a PAPV, the city invented the PAPV. Unsuitable for street use.
This is probably a LIABILITY and TRAINNING issue.
Remember the video of the CPD copper who ran down someone at a parade on one of those things. I have to feel pretty bad for that officer because there is almost nothing worse than the feeling you get when you are at the controls of a vehicle and it is headed for tragedy and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
I have driven motorcycles for over forty years with no bad results and I tried to drive something similar to those PAPVs and damn near killed myself trying to get out of the parking lot.
They may be used again, but it will take a lot of training and practice before you want to turn them loose on the public.
Stay safe, don't start anything unless you are sure you can stop it.
Just left the COMPSTAT Meeting If T.C from 007 and E.W.III arent gone by next weekend then this guy is testicle less. Expect big changes in the way C/U is granted and the manpower allotment on days will be cut some-all you people on management enjoy your next couple weeks things will change.
First the vest covers, now this -- someone in some office has to keep themselves busy with something, and it's not the business of fighting crime.
Patrol is the janitor's closet of the Chicago Police Department.
"The vehicles apparently aren’t designed to be used on the roads so that officers can ride them to the beach."
This sounds like someone noticed a "street-legal" technicality. What it it now? License plate lights? Seat belts, headlights? Fix it, we got work to do.
So the ALL TERRAIN VEHICLES cannot go on the beach?
Maybe they could if you got rid of those idiotic car tires you put on them......
Off Topic>>>>Peterson put in his papers. Last day Aug 15th
All of a sudden our fleet of atv's (papv) aren't good enough, you're right to say, " somethin stinks here".
Some new and improved deal must be around the corner and smells like a Daley-Vanecko Joint Venture.
If you hadn't read it today, there's a clout war about to erupt ;
"....Chicago Aviation Partners accused city officials of using a “sham evaluation process” to choose Westfield Concessions Management. "
A Sham Evaluation Process.
Like every deal beforehand was fair & square.
Like every promotion exam was fair & square.
Like every appointment was fair & square.
The Daley Legacy.
Sun Times is reporting that Alderman Burke's bodyguards/gofers received just $600,000. in compensation last year.
Not bad..
then add in the cost of their benefit package and the citys pension obligation, easy doubles that figure to about 1.2mil.
Anonymous said...
OT
Shitheads living on the 7500 block of W Belmont had a party tonight. All was fine and dandy (if shithead's breathing is considered fine) until 2 f/4s decided to pepper traffic with empty beer bottles at the intersection of Belmont/Osceola. 25th Dist Officers responded quickly and efficiently.
Be safe, ladies and gents. The shit is spreading
Spreading?? Its been in 016 for at least 6 years now.
So if they were not designed to be operated on the streets and the department forced many POs to drive them there, then all subsequent accidents and injuries are subject to a hearing for damages. I do recall a few POs taking time at summer mobile :) shame on the department for forcing us to use them! lol
When they admit wrong doing stick it in and break it off. Cause you know that's what they'll do for you!
Is this story correct?
An ATV is by definition an off-road vehicle. Most are advertized as being not street legal.
OT:
Crain's Greg Hinz is reporting that After School Matters, the charity run by former Mayor Richard M. Daley's wife Maggie, received a city contract worth $6.5 million a mere four days before Rich Daley left office.
That's one hell of a coincidence.
Last week Hinz reported that former Daley Chief of Staff Ray Orozco and former Department of Cultural Affairs Acting Commissioner Katherine LaMantia also landed softly at After School Matters as the non-profit's CEO and Chief Financial Officer, respectively.
Orozco is being paid $185,000 by the charity.
----um, aren't you supposed to be altruistic if you work for a charity?
WTF kind of charity pays that kind of money?????
Maggie Daley is as big of a skunk as her old man--a scum sucking pig just like him.
Ernie Brown gone tomorrow 5 Aug 2011
Perhaps the decision to get rid of the PAPV's is when the officer driving one during the Blackhawks Stanley Cup Parade actually ran over an officer that was on foot. I'm not sure what the outcome of that was... perhaps the lack of training on driving them? Or what? They were great for Summer Mobile and the parades and fests... especially Bud Billikin.
Off topic: BA-BOOM!
Today's Comstat meeting was, in a word, BALLISTIC!
Carothers AND Welch were royally reamed a new ass today by McNutty; the meeting was actually STOPPED as McNutty called the A/1 Deputy Chief and the 007th Dist. Commander to his office 'for a brief private discussion.' Oh, to be a fly on that wall!
Jarmusz of 009 was also reamed out by McNutty, but not to the extent of Welch & Carothers.
There was also a heated discussion about the dramatic rise in robberies in 021, specifically the Hyde Park area.
A tact Sgt. who spoke on this didn't know any of the specifics of any of the robberies, and this was NOT acceptable to McNutty, who demanded a detailed report of the specifics of each of those robberies compiled by that Sgt. and the Area 1 Deputy Chief
(Welch again) "on my desk by the end of business today." What wasn't discussed is how short the UCPD ranks have become under the half-assed so-called leadership of John Doty since he arrived there as their number two guy. On most days, there are more exempt UCPD officers in their station than there are officers out patrolling the streets of the U of C campus; it's no secret that most, if not all of the UCPD officers (particularly supervisors, who are not allowed to unionize and have no job protections in place) are in fear for their jobs, as Doty has been on an almost nonstop "you're fired" binge since late last year. The lack of a serious police presence on the U of C campus has got to be a contributing factor to the rapid rise in robberies there for this year. Hoo-boy, I don't know when McNutty is going to break his Joisey accented feet off in some exempt asses, but that day is definitely gonna come very soon. It would come as no surprise to see that Carothers and Welch lead the list. And is the rumor true that the SCREAMING SKULL retired, effective yesterday?
OFF TOPIC
Peterson...he gone. Asked to retire after furlo.
Ernie Brown ...he gone . Also asked to retire after furlo.
Look for the return of 'Mike Sheilds!
Hold on to your pants ....big changes to come tomorrow!
This isn't a CPD screw up but instead state law not allowing "sand" tires on streets.
Who the fuck is going to write them tickets?
Air and Water Show?????
I thought they moved to February to keep the crowds down.
SCC Fan said...
Micheal Shields (the black one) is coming back from his extended leave of absence on 16 AUG 11 to take Peterson's spot!
Obama took care of him
I call B.S. our new supe. runs a meritocracy and will not allow this. Now shut up and do your job.
OT:
Why are we getting solicitations for barack through department email. It's offensive and against department policy, or so I thought it was.
The ATV,s that the Department Now uses are 2 wheel drivew Kawasaki Brand. THey were modified with Street tires, turn signals, horns and windshields to allow operation on the street. They work fine on the street, grass and dirt bike paths, as well as railroad right of ways. THEY DO NOT HANDLE WELL with street tires on sand. THat is most likely why they are not allowed on the beach. Most likely some coppers were driving them like idiots, got stuck tipped them over standing on the sideboards, not wearing helmets etc and screwed up a good tool for PArk, and lakefront use if operasted safely and sanely. THe IVC code was changed to allow the modified ATV now called a PAPV to operate on the street. They are prone to roll over if driver too fast into a turn. That is generally operator error and lack of or ignoring the training regarding which way to lean etc. Its exactly oposite of a motorcycle. My guess is some coppers screwing around caused this.
Hey 8/04/2011 09:18:00 AM
Nice Try... YOU'RE A MORON MH!!! OR, IS THIS PD???
You guys were far from qualified!!!
The JTTF FINALLY has a decent supervisor. Not a back-stabbing, ass-kissing midget (MH) or a loud, sloppy, un-professional, incompetent mush (PD)
Happy retirement to Lt. Stevens in 20th district 40+ years.
Sun Times is reporting that Alderman Burke's bodyguards/gofers received just $600,000. in compensation last year.
Not bad..
then add in the cost of their benefit package and the city's pension obligation, easy doubles that figure to about 1.2mil.
8/04/2011 02:01:00 PM
yeah, besides driving him to an out of state golf outing, do they:
1) hit the golf ball for him?
2) wash his ball between holes?
feds inspected the papv's and said they are not safe!
8/04/2011 12:55:00 AM
Wow smart room them this long wow.
OFF TOPIC
Peterson...he gone. Asked to retire after furlo.
Ernie Brown ...he gone . Also asked to retire after furlo.
Look for the return of 'Mike Sheilds!
Hold on to your pants ....big changes to come tomorrow!
8/04/2011 03:04:00 PM
Peterson and Downtown both gone, along with A.C. and E.W the Third, too?.....hah!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
O.T.....Sorry guys I know what F/1 & F/2 are but what is 3 & 4?
8/04/2011 09:12:00 AM
For our observer, "3" is black hispanic and "4" is white hispanic.
mcgruff can't dump any exempts until rahm tells him who to dump
maybe nickname should be mcPuppet
The next few weeks around here is going to look like someone shoved a grenade up CPD's ass and pulled the pin! Commanders, day management spots, and tact teams will catch most of the shrapnel.
O.T.....Sorry guys I know what F/1 & F/2 are but what is 3 & 4?
8/04/2011 09:12:00 AM
Use your powers of deduction. C'mon, you can figure it out.
Ha na na na, ha na na na, hey, hey good bye. Karma is a bitch. peterson you useless POS. Who is going to take care of your kid now. I guess they did not like your old school ways. BYE BYE!!!!! Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. See you at your party.
Spreading?? Its been in 016 for at least 6 years now. 8/04/2011 02:07:00 PM Anonymous
Becoming more concentrated? Abundant? Is that better?
If the persistent rumors are true (The Skull and DTEB will both be gone shortly), then things seem to be ideed looking UP for the CPD. Now, if we can get McNutty to do something about that pesky Kirby....
TAHOES THAT DONT HAVE 4 WHEEL DRIVE?
ATV THAT CANT BE USED ON A FLAT BEACH?
RADIOS WITH A BATTERY LIFE OF 3 HOURS?
IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE SHOULD BE FIRE OR DEMOTED!
WHO IS BUYING THIS CRAP.
HUBERMAN WAS NEVER INDICTED WHEN HE ORDERED OEMC RADIOS ILLEGALLY.
WELL RAHM?
ACCOUNTABILITY?
ITS ALL A SCAM....
YET AGAIN THE MEDIA COVERS JERRY LEWIS NOT HAVING A GIG!?!
Anonymous said...
has everyone forgotten the female officer who ran into/over a few people while driving that thing while in a huge crowd. she had little or no training on that sand buggy. she was taken from caps office, given minimal training and told to report to the detail (forgot the detail) so...the city is probably afraid of the money it will cost them for a repeat of that earlier event.
8/04/2011 08:47:00 AM
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Was that at the Blsckhawks victory parade last year?
I've taken the PAPV training a couple of times. I think the guys who trained it did a good job of reiterating just how dangerous they can be. Especially in the wrong hands, or to someone who becomes over confident in how they handle after 10 minutes of total riding time. The tires are an issue if they are driven over aggressively. Not that any Copper would ever do that. Come the Bud parade they will see how fast things get out of hand without the response teams out there riding the PAPV's to back the crowd up or get to some poor copper who needs help in that sea of shit. Word is the Sgt of the driving school hates the PAPV's because he's afraid of being sued.
God bless CPD Officer Christopher Elliott who saved a baby from choking. and he was pretty humble about it too :)
from a citizen
Only people out in the sticks raised with the ATVs can operate them properly not you city people.
Just left the COMPSTAT Meeting If T.C from 007 and E.W.III arent gone by next weekend then this guy is testicle less. Expect big changes in the way C/U is granted and the manpower allotment on days will be cut some-all you people on management enjoy your next couple weeks things will change.
8/04/2011 12:54:00 PM
Heard EW is now head of IAD. Wow seems to me like the west side Rev's had their say. Now he is in a nice spot behind closed doors where no one will know he is a fool promoted beyond his qualifications as bathroom monitor.
WRT: "http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-boy-13-critically-injured-in-bronzeville-neighborhood-shooting-20110803,0,782518.story
I hope people see this - this kid is the opposite of the one who was recently caught shooting out windows with a bb gun before turning it on the police. All those trophies his mom is displaying - he obviously had someone who put time, effort, money put into parenting him. And no, I'm not saying you need to spend money to be a good parent - I'm saying this kid was obviously cared for, he wasn't roaming the streets armed well past curfew causing mayhem and grooming..... "
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Wow this is exactly the kind of crisis that our aldermen can use to expand their own security forces beyond $600,000 year.
Where's mine -- he got his -- I want my security -- what are you trying to do discriminate?
Gimme my bodyguards, car's and drivers so we can all go down to the playground and tell people not to go outside their homes because it's dangerous.
We need to hand out flyers and things that's why it's necessary..
Don't let a crisis go to waste!
If the D/S Peterson (retiring) rumor's are true...
THIS DEPARTMENT IS SOOOOO FUCKED!!!!
Like him or not, he gave his heart and soul to this department for the past 37 years and is the last of the free-thinkers and decision makers with balls left on this department.
Mark My Words...
He Will Be Missed!!!
Off topic:
Anyone else find it weird that chicago breaking nes.com has been putting up the same CPD squad picture next to every shooting, even if it isnt a CPD involved shooting?
Talk about trying to make the CPD trigger happy...
Ernie Brown ...he gone . Also asked to retire after furlo.
Look for the return of 'Mike Sheilds!
Hold on to your pants ....big changes to come tomorrow!
8/04/2011 03:04:00 PM
You mean, "Ladies" hold on to your pants, if womanizer man is coming back.
POTATO-
Police Officer Trained As Trailer Operator,
Title code 9199
That will be D2A pay in no time.
You heard it here folks.
8/04/2011 10:51:00 AM
I can't wait to see him peel out!!
McGoofy is a real idiot. He treats adults like children then expects them to go out and do his bidding. Hey pal, this ain't New York or Jersey. If you want to get ANYTHING done you better learn how to treat people. You have 12,000 (minus a thousand suck holes) who can grind this department to a stop. Keep acting like a jag and watch. You can look at ZEROS in your oh so wise conflict zones!
Comstat meeting today.
Peterson gone, Brown Gone
Shields coming back.
ballistic Body Armor vest Condition inspection coming to a area near you soon.
time due will be limited and have to be applied for. Each dist,unit will have to keep a book and requests will be granted by seniority.
trial program for personal body cameras funded by the feds starting in 2012.
also a national T.V. show requested permission to ride along with CPD and was granted permission, first Time in CPD history!
Eddie "dumb ass" Welch dumped tonight. I hope he ends up a field Lt in 003. Working for the peeps he fucked. OH YEA!!!
The NHTSA (Nat'l Highway Traffic Safety Administration) were the ones who recently ruled that 4-wheel ATVs (our PAPVs) cannot be licensed as passenger cars like they are for police use and therefore cannot be driven legally on public roads, even with the modification of adding street tires. This change affects several police agencies across the country. Chicago PD is not the only one using 4-wheelers on patrol. The ruling came down nearly a year ago. The department has simply been ignoring it because the PAPVs are perfectly suited to what we use them for.
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That can't be true, because other states, like Montana (where I am on the job), you can license ATVs for street use. I owned one and they have the same plate that a motorcycle would have. It needs to have a horn, mirror and headlight. We have ATVs running all around town, on road and off.
An ATV is by definition an off-road vehicle. Most are advertized as being not street legal.
8/04/2011 02:38:00 PM
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So...if you can't drive on a street then shouldn't it be a some-terrain vehicle?
The more I read I about Ed Burkes bodyguard detail the more disgusted I get. If The Mayor is serious about scaling back city government he should make this " Shanty Prick" pay back the city. Burke has now pissed off the Irish and we don't forget. With over 8 MILLION in campaign cash he'd be wise to make even a token gesture. The ball is in his court and see if he acts like a " True Irishman" or a pansy ass Englishman/Irish wannabee.
No more deputy supts or assistant supts. Kirby demoted to chief of G8 and Resume Building Division. Pay cut yes, but she'll be laughing all the way to Beverly Bank when her hack ass lands a nice city/state job in two years...unless of course she underestimates the revolution.
Did anyone see that about 10 jerks from IAD got a DC for handling the administrative investigation when a 14 y/o posed and worked as the police? One guy got it just for answering the phone that day...I think the two admin sergeants got it because they read about it on SCC. What a joke.
OFF TOPIC:
http://www.suntimes.com/6866836-417/yearly-tab-for-ald.-burkes-bodyguards-nearly-600000
Salary break-down for Burke's bodyguard detail...
Anonymous said...
The reason is the state doesn't allow the "sand" tires (off road thread) on streets and the "street" tires (slick) are useless in the sand. There are ideas to store them at the water reclamation plant at Ohio St or even at North Ave. Beach. Then the problem is finding a way to refuel them.
This isn't a CPD screw up but instead state law not allowing "sand" tires on streets.
8/04/2011 01:15:00 AM
Oh , you mean the same state laws that also prohibit the atv's themselves on public roadways. Think dude.
changes coming tomorrow, will be announced as Mcnutty needed time to see what he had and make command decision where exempts' skills could best serve the city and the department.
several district commanders to be moved and some special units reorganized.
Any more information on changes yet ?
An even better question is that it had been much hotter out here since the day that north ave was closed because of the year yet the beach hasnt been closed since that day hmmmm
This is what is happening....J-Fled if you recall had three brand new ATV's put aside at 51st street with orders that absolutely nobody could use them. He took them out twice for a joy ride with Masters and some other stroke. These ATV's had high end tires on them.
Fast forward to May 2011.
The tires needed to be changed. The manufacture refused to switch out the tires and the cost was very expensive. Now one thing led to another and Legal Affairs research confirmed that the mfg. will in no way endorse the ATV's for street use. So what do we do with 200 ATV's?
We heard the Sgt. from the academy who runs the driving school bitched that the ATV's are unsafe and recommended we sell them.
Is it really true petersen gone ! Had it been confirmed?
Ernie brown gone bye,bye, stupid .
Lt.Steven 20th district retired . Enjoy your retirement it's took you 40+ year lol why did you wait so long.
feds inspected the papv's and said they are not safe!
8/04/2011 12:55:00 AM
They should check half of the fleet of cars. I wonder how many would pass the inspection that taxi's have to go through.
Just use sand buggies as many departments do. Thay can be driven on the street. Either that or use the Jeeps that the armed forces used to use. Both are perfect for patrolling beaches and they are street legal.
We could use amphibious ducks. Can drive the beach and patrol the lakefront from the lake. I hear Wisconson Dells has some available. The Owners of the Duck tours will probably sell us a few.
Mayhbe Daley needed tham for his servant/guards at Grand Beach.
bring back the 3 wheel kawasaki's
OT....
Was out for an early morning walk 0700 to be exact and observed Dept of Revenue personnel writing tickets in the 5500 block of N Marmora 2 days in a row. I certainly hope their efforts are being duplicated in all parts of the city not just where city employees live. But I know better.
I might be mistaken, but wasn't the reason M.S. left the dept, was because of the 90-day suspension he'd have to serve because of a sexual assault complaint? If he came back wouldnt he automatically have to serve out that suspension?
Wow smart room them this long wow.
8/04/2011 04:10:00 PM
English much?
E3 lateralled to Deputy Chief of IAD....where there IS NO DEPUTY CHIEF SPOT.
Good riddance!!!!
Who cares, if they sell them I would pay a few hunderd for one that was actually maintained for my summer home. Strap a keg of moosehead to the back of it, and turn on the light
Did anyone hear about an officer charged for threatening an iad officer? Any truth to it?
By the way the Supe blew ip at the Compstat meeting today he must have finally realized something we all knew for a long time. Most of the exempts are merit hacks and are clueless.
Williams was overheard at the compact meeting openly talking about organizing a coup and using the death of the 13 yr ok to turn the media against the Supt. With the help of the revs
Anonymous said...
We could use amphibious ducks. Can drive the beach and patrol the lakefront from the lake. I hear Wisconson Dells has some available. The Owners of the Duck tours will probably sell us a few.
8/04/2011 10:23:00 PM
Just call the Vanecko & Daley Amphibious All Purpose & Overpriced Police Vehicle Company.
It is all legit, fair as fair can be and has nothing whatever to do with politics. Approved by noted environmental attorney Jennifer Burke too.
Hey 6:48pm
Was Peterson's heart and soul with the CPD when he took a leave of absence to go to a California law enforcement agency. I don't think so. But he sure got "religion" and quickly came back to make promotion to lieutenant.
also a national T.V. show requested permission to ride along with CPD and was granted permission, first Time in CPD history!
Ummmm... youre kinda late on that one. as of now Bait car on TRU TV is airing and its in chicago with chicago cops . Also, not as exiciting wasnt there a 48 hours missing with chicago detective? Hold on to your history facts
Did I read the article correct? The state said the modifications were alright for operation on city streets. The manufacture states ATV's were never intended for street use and does not recommmend the vechicles being used for street driving. Alot of he said she said. I think this decision is stemming from a impending lawsuit.
Anonymous said...
If the D/S Peterson (retiring) rumor's are true...
THIS DEPARTMENT IS SOOOOO FUCKED!!!!
Like him or not, he gave his heart and soul to this department for the past 37 years and is the last of the free-thinkers and decision makers with balls left on this department.
Mark My Words...
He Will Be Missed!!!
8/04/2011 06:48:00 PM
He won't.
OT....
Was out for an early morning walk 0700 to be exact and observed Dept of Revenue personnel writing tickets in the 5500 block of N Marmora 2 days in a row. I certainly hope their efforts are being duplicated in all parts of the city not just where city employees live. But I know better.
Revenue Dept got me yesterday in Mt Greenwood. Was parked a few feet in front of the no parking sign at the corner. Bastards! Sure I was wrong but they are spineless weasels. Hope they all get layed off.
O.T.....Sorry guys I know what F/1 & F/2 are but what is 3 & 4?
8/04/2011 09:12:00 AM
Numbers.
If the D/S Peterson (retiring) rumor's are true...
THIS DEPARTMENT IS SOOOOO FUCKED!!!!
Like him or not, he gave his heart and soul to this department for the past 37 years and is the last of the free-thinkers and decision makers with balls left on this department.
Mark My Words...
He Will Be Missed!!!
8/04/2011 06:48:00 PM
Not really. He is a big mouthed idiot. Plain and simple.Good riddance.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
We could use amphibious ducks. Can drive the beach and patrol the lakefront from the lake. I hear Wisconson Dells has some available. The Owners of the Duck tours will probably sell us a few.
8/04/2011 10:23:00 PM
Just call the Vanecko & Daley Amphibious All Purpose & Overpriced Police Vehicle Company.
It is all legit, fair as fair can be and has nothing whatever to do with politics. Approved by noted environmental attorney Jennifer Burke too.
8/04/2011 11:39:00 PM
This is quackers.
11:53 pm -
That's all you got? He gave 37 years of blood and sweat. He could have left the job years ago to work in the private sector and make much more - he didn't, cause his heart was with CPD.
You must have worked for Peterson at some point in your career and you must be a dog-ass on this job (to attempt to discredit him) cause those are the only people I have seen Peterson ever go after on this job.
Like I said, this is a huge loss for our department.
Any comments on the racial violence at the Wisconsin state fair?
OT:
West Allis, Greenfield, New Berlin Wisconsin used to be nice areas just a few years ago. The State Fair is held on the boarder of West Allis and Milwaukee, just west of the city.
MILWAUKEE -- Local law enforcement agencies are investigating several incidents near State Fair Park late Thursday night.
Milwaukee police said that around 11:10 p.m., squads were sent to the area for reports of battery, fighting and property damage being caused by an unruly crowd of "hundreds" of people. One officer described it as a "mob beating."
Police said the group of young people attacked fairgoers who were leaving the fair grounds. Police said that some victims were attacked while walking. They said others were pulled out of cars and off of motorcycles before being beaten
Read more: http://www.wisn.com/news/28774396/detail.html#ixzz1U9qKfWp4
My Segway brainchild is looking better than ever.
Probaly a dumb question how do you put a response under a comment
Anonymous said...
Probaly a dumb question how do you put a response under a comment
8/05/2011 02:19:00 PM
Copy and paste
"This isn't a CPD screw up but instead state law not allowing "sand" tires on streets."
Stupid ass Chicago dept. heads, CHICAGO OWNS SPRINGFIELD. Next legislative session, get an exemption from the state for CPD. to drive on sand tires from district to beach. DUHHH.
Can I have a high paying city management job now, please.
ATV = All Terrain Vehicle. That would include both pavement and sand, no?
What am I missing here?
6:55am
Have been retired for probably more time than you have on the job, and fortunately never worked for Peterson so I guess I couldn't be described as a dog by your definition.
His return from leave of absence to accept a promotion to lieutenant most certainly deprived a more dedicated sergeant (who ever that person was) from being promoted. And I was not that sergeant nor do I know who that might have been. He did his job and was well compensated for
his many positions and earned his pay for the few months
he spent on midnights in 011 as a new lieutenant before
making exempt. He sure did not have his "heart and soul"
with the CPD when he left voluntarily mid career to
another agency.
Anonymous said...
ATV = All Terrain Vehicle. That would include both pavement and sand, no?
What am I missing here?
8/05/2011 08:17:00 PM
CPD calls them PAPV, Police All Purpose Vehicle. CPD invented the term. ATV's are intended for off road use, not DOT approved for road use. That's what you are missing, at lease in part.
Hey retired person that didnt work for Peterson..Maybe you should get your facts straight..he took a leave with 27 years on..not mid career. He always backed the workers..perhaps you should ask one of them but they are probably too busy WORKING. Get a life.
Hey 2:26pm/ active member and loyal subordinate of Peterson
You brought up his dedication, "heart and soul" and "blood and sweat." By the way, we have all sweated on the job and some have actually bled in the performance of duty.
Backing up the working police was never mentioned by me. All supervisors should back up their workers.
You have verified my facts about his leave of absence.
I hope you make it to retirement and are able to also "get a life."
Peterson was a merit lieutenant. Absolute fact. Anyone who denies that is full of shit. He came back to take a merit lt. spot. Condescending a-hole on top of it.
8:28, 9:00 and 10:03...
Likely all the same person, so I only have to type this once...
You're a DOG ASS and a JAGOFF!!!
Peterson will be missed...You won't!!!
Hey 848pm
You wrong, not the same person.
But you also right, you will sorely miss Peterson, along with a few others. Enjoy the phone booth party that you will run for your buddy, and say hi to Steve for us.
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