When Does Liability Set In?
You have an incompetent employee. You attempt to correct his/her behavior. The employee refused to alter the behavior. You publicly shame them, once, twice, maybe three times. The employee continues to perform inadequately. At what point does the supervisor become liable, civilly, for the misbehavior?
You see it in the private sector many times. Serial harassers, embezzlers, abusers continue their behavior without repercussions and the employer held responsible for not taking forcible corrective action at some point, usually in the form of fines in the millions.
So if someone publicly berates a commander more than a few times at a CompStat meeting, attempts to make them correct aberrant behavior, tries to make them live up to what is expected by the upper echelon, time and time again. Yet nothing is accomplished and no one is demoted, when does the Superintendent become liable for each and every shooting, rape, robbery and murder in the district because he left a demonstrably incompetent boob in charge who refused to do what was expected and demanded of him?
We're just wondering.
You see it in the private sector many times. Serial harassers, embezzlers, abusers continue their behavior without repercussions and the employer held responsible for not taking forcible corrective action at some point, usually in the form of fines in the millions.
So if someone publicly berates a commander more than a few times at a CompStat meeting, attempts to make them correct aberrant behavior, tries to make them live up to what is expected by the upper echelon, time and time again. Yet nothing is accomplished and no one is demoted, when does the Superintendent become liable for each and every shooting, rape, robbery and murder in the district because he left a demonstrably incompetent boob in charge who refused to do what was expected and demanded of him?
We're just wondering.
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
112 Comments:
You're not alone. The entire city is watching....wondering.
The good commander of 007 has a fresh sexual harassment beef coming down on him. He also said that baby furlos and days off will now be based on the officers activity...way to leave this moron in charge. He already ruined 007 now he is running it into the ground. Way to reward all the coppers who work in that dump everyday boss.
Politics, baby. When the rev-runs want they people in, they gets they people in. This is how you build a third world country.
Corporation? If this organization (CPD) were run like a corporation the current commander of the 7th district would have never been in a position to lead in the first place. Who the hell are these "victims" going to turn to to hold this organization accountable? Their religious leaders? Their alderman? Theses are the instruments that ensure ineptness continues to flourish in this organization. No sir, you will never see liability set in.
Doesn't IAD need a commander to assist the new Deputy Chief??? If and when he goes he will land softly on a bed of roses. Roses which grew out of a big pile of stinky corrupt shit.
"When Does Liability Set In?"
Haven't you heard, SCC?
Clout trumps liability every day of the week.
Just like it trumps criminal investigations, a la condos full of dope and guns.
Just like it supercedes administrative proceedings/repercussions when a criminal charge is dismissed, a la domestic related telephone threats.
Just like it eclipses unprofessional gaffs a la "mistruths" on job applications for other law enforcement agencies.
Just like it overshadows conflicts of interest, a la double-dipping as a security liaison for a movie production company while a CPD Commander.
Just like it negates ethical lapses, a la your son and all his tactical buddies coincidentally scoring exceptionally well on a promotional exam while you held the Department's highest rank.
Liability, Schmiability!, SCC. That's just for us non-clouted peons on the CPD's bottom rungs. No need to wonder anymore.
SCC,
you are usually very reliable. You don't beat around the bush or pull any punches.
SCC, you have failed us.
To whom are you referring???!!!
The formal term is "Negligent Retention". If it is properly documented and someone has sustained injury or loss, it may be an issue. Except in Shitcago where we protect the politically connected at all costs, be it money or morale.
The superintendent should never be responsible because he is Not Really In Charge of how the Department Operates or says who gets Command Positions. Before Emanuel, we had 2 generations of daley idiots who ran things from behind the curtains.
The superintendents are merely Overpaid scapegoats. The idiot/incompetent commanders are made/broken by the 5th floor at city hall. City hall is where the problem begins and will probably never end.
Rant Off/
then lower your standards and you wont be accountable for anything
I get the sarcasm. But the sarcasm is based upon a policing myth that has taken hold of the entire country.
In a free society, it is not the role of the police to prevent crime.
I repeat, it is not the role of the police to prevent crime.
The police are not the moral guardians of society. The police enforce laws that are broken. The police respond to crimes. They document crime. They identify and arrest criminals. But, they do not stop crime. And they should not try to stop crime. Because in order to stop crime the police would have to approach, arrest, detain, confront, stop, or otherwise bother people who are not committing crimes and that is fundamentally against every principle on which this country was founded.
Of course, politicians like to promise that they can stop crime, so they get a superintendent who tells impressionable police officers that it is their job to enforce the many insignificant, stupid, minor, petty laws his master politician has passed under the guise that arresting, stopping, or otherwise bothering the majority of law abiding citizens, will stop a few criminals before they can commit a crime. This premise is fundamentally flawed.
The best way to prevent future murders is to arrest murderers, not ticket drinkers. But, in the end the police should not concern themselves with future murders, mainly because they haven't happened yet.
If society becomes a mass cesspool of crime and destruction, the truth is there is nothing the police can do about that, nor should they try.
In my thirty eight years in government at every level from city(garbage pickup),county(judge's personal bailiff/law clerk,26th &california),state(labor relations) and federal(labor lawyer) I eventually was able to recognize those managers who never went beyond the three "M"s of Management :
(1) I managed to get this job.
(2) I managed to get here today.
(3) I managed to avoid responsibility.
> when does the Superintendent become liable <
Well sir, you must understand that this is Chicago. It's not truely the Superintendent's "liability" - it is that of said commander's political sponsers (e.g. aldercreatures, revruns, etc)
but of course you already knew that, didn't you?
Wow. That one will go over like a lead balloon. I know you're joking, but don't give them any ideas, SCC!
Obviously the ballerino has given up on getting rid of Carothers...I hear he's moved on to other targets in the Comcast happy hours.
Did anyone ever find out how much McStupe is getting paid, BTW?
SCC, most times I agree with your posts here, but
McNutty is just a goof about this one. Regardless of how anyone feels about Carothers being an apparent
political hack, replacing him as commander of 007
will accomplish NOTHING. Until the socioeconomic
issues that prevail there are being addressed (and it's doubtful if they ever will, until a significant number of hispanics move in and change the demographics within the boundaries of 007, the future is bleak for its residents with regard to violent crime.
1) The police cannot dramatically alter or correct
bad parenting. Far too many generations of that
going on over there.
2) Poor parenting carries over into poor education.
If the parents don't value or cherish education, the
children won't either.
3) No stake or ownership of the community by its
residents. Many just don't feel they can make a difference in that community, or strive to keep
their neighborhoods clean and crime free. That's
going to take a lot of social intervention; again,
NOT the job of the police.
4) Any job training going on over there? How to dress for a job interview? What to say at a job interview? How to fill out an application? How to
fill out an online app? Sorely needed there.
Again, social service intervention.
When those issues are addressed adequately, then
crime will seriously decrease, and the dire statistics
will change, NOT before. Who's picture graces the
lobby of the new 007th Dist. station with regard to the command structure there won't mean anything
anytime soon. Like him or hate him, you can't blame or dump all of 007's ills at the feet of Carothers.
The good commander of 007 has a fresh sexual harassment beef coming down on him. He also said that baby furlos and days off will now be based on the officers activity...
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Isn't that a violation of the contract? If it isn't, it should be.
Does anyone remember what town DTEB applied for police chief in AZ? I want to Google it just to refresh my memory.
Maybe send some copies to McStupe--but hey, McStupe has stepped in major shit before...so he's on the same level as the rest of the dopes at the top.
Also, I looked up Bernie Kerik--I thought he was in trouble for having an undocumented maid--OMG, it was so much more--like peddling influence, having mobsters remodel his apt., and personal gain from the 9/11 tragedy, as well as tax infractions....and his right-hand man????? None other than our new McStupe. Nice pick Rahm!
POLITICAL MANAGEMENT 101:
If the problem/incompetent employees are of the same ilk than replacing them would look politicaly incorrect unless you have employees of the same ilk to replace them with.
SCC, U raise a good question here. In the legal world the tort is called "negligent retention" and refers to a plaintiffs ability to go after an employer when it is clear that an employee should have been fired but was not and then the employee goes on to really fuck up.In these cases the negligence is the employer's continued employment of the out of control employee.
You can understand why the McCarthy is called "The Toothless Tiger"
No
Who's picture graces the
lobby of the new 007th Dist. station with regard to the command structure there won't mean anything
anytime soon.
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Um, Bozo's?
Also, can someone translate the original comment for me? It doesn't even resembe a sentence.
WHEN DOES A COMMANDER HANDLE A SHOOTING?
OR A THEFT.
NOBODY CARES ABOUT COMMANDERS THE ONLY TIME U SEE THEM IS WHEN THE CREEP THROUGH THE DISTRICT TO HIDE IN THEIR OFFICE.
THEY CANT EVEN PUT A PERSON IN FOR MERIT ANYMORE THE CHIEFS STEAL ALL THE PICKS!
"The good commander of 007 has a fresh sexual harassment beef coming down on him. He also said that baby furlos and days off will now be based on the officers activity...way to leave this moron in charge. He already ruined 007 now he is running it into the ground. Way to reward all the coppers who work in that dump everyday boss.
8/19/2011 12:20:00 AM
UNFORTUNATELY there are contractual issues surrounding the baby furlos and days off. But then again, why would I expect him to actually know anything about contracts.
Intresting question, but it's the mayor that should be held liable since he is the one hampering the superintendent from behind the scenes.
Family gets $333,000 for 2009 raid in which cops killed dog
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-police-shoot-dog-20110819,0,4697991.story
On this one you can't blame G-Mac. He isn't the one really in charge. It's the alderman and reverends who are in charge.
It was Buckeye, Az--- kind of a shit hold west of Phoenix
hold your reverends responsible cause they dont want their people locked up...
"If you try to move me I will call my Chinaman". End of story.
Does anyone remember what town DTEB applied for police chief in AZ? I want to Google it just to refresh my memory.
Buckeye, AZ
Why not bring the "new Americans" to Englewood? Set them up in houses and gentrifying the neighborhood. We are going to help them anyway, why not put them and their family values in the neighborhood to break up the lack of family values rampant there? Also since most of them are Catholic, it would break up the influence the revrun's have over an apathetic community that they just use for their own devices. This seems like a viable solution.
The question I have is why do I hear footchases in 007? Motherfuckers....stop! Are you that stupid? If he denies time because of activity sue his ass!!!!! Everyone write down everything he does!
O.T. Finally
ANSAS CITY, Mo (Reuters) - The weekend shooting of three teenagers at a large late-night "flash mob" gathering prompted local authorities to pass an ordinance on Thursday that sets curfews as early as 9 p.m. for people under age 18.
Same old crap, different supt. Like the old saying goes...it's not WHAT you know, it's WHO you know.
SCC,
you are usually very reliable. You don't beat around the bush or pull any punches.
SCC, you have failed us.
To whom are you referring???!!!
8/19/2011 01:10:00 AM
Another TROLL.
SCC failed you because you're not in the "know"? Please...
Go back to your cubicle.
M. said...
SCC,
you are usually very reliable. You don't beat around the bush or pull any punches.
SCC, you have failed us.
To whom are you referring???!!!
8/19/2011 01:10:00 AM
Take your head out of the sand!
What are these "Comcast" meetings you speak of? Is this where they all sit around and watch cop movies?
I crack myself up!
Anonymous said...
The good commander of 007 has a fresh sexual harassment beef coming down on him. He also said that baby furlos and days off will now be based on the officers activity...
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Isn't that a violation of the contract? If it isn't, it should be.
8/19/2011 05:36:00 AM
If you call the fop and ask them if this is a contract violation they will give their pat answer. " I don't know let me get back to you" They are worthles. We should use our dues hire labor lawyers not the morons at the fop.
The only problem most sane people have is that you think logically in an illogical world! The CPD will never change at the top because when the mayor determines the Supt. politics get in the way! The CPD will be in another rut for four years as Rahm protects Daley who "conveniently" steps down in exchange for "Bill" Daley's "appointment" and to avoid indictment for gross mismanagement! And the hits just keep on comin!
Regardless of who takes the helm in the 007th District, it is still going to be one of the worst places to work as a law enforcement officer. There is not semblence of understanding in regard to rule of law, conscience or even human compassion. I'm not giving the Commander a pass, just saying that there needs to be exceptional leadership in place to support and command those brave and dedicated men and women who work there. Back in the day the worst place to work was 002nd District. Being dumped there was almost like signing on to work in Purgatory or worse. Now the Duece is being gentrified, rennovated and revitalized. Englewood, on the otherhand, continues to slip further into oblivion. Some of the folks who live there rate somewhere below a Third World country.
Answer is: never. It's called the public duty rule. The government and its employees can't be liable (except under extremely narrow circumstances not applicable here) for failing to prevent harm to members of the public.
So, no.
The good commander of 007 has a fresh sexual harassment beef coming down on him. He also said that baby furlos and days off will now be based on the officers activity...
And of course this activity rating system will be above board, everyone treated equally.
So, let's all go out there and do a good job! Your bosses have your back!
Oooppss, gotta go. Time for my lithium.
I can tell you guys don't work with corporations. Only people who are outside of corporate world think corporations are well-run.
you are only guaranteed a baby furlough if you are given/take a full furlough segment. even then, the baby furlough is designated for you. over the past 10 years, many people got it in their minds that they could take baby furloughs whenever they wanted and how often they wanted. it became an "entitlement" rather than a "favor". the commander of 007 is saying if you want a baby furlough that you are not entitled to have then don't check off with zeroes every day. if you are a worker you will get the baby furlough. he is rewarding the workers in his district and simply holding the dogs to the rules in place. if you drive around in circles they entire tour and want a baby furlough next year, take a full furlough. then you are guaranteed one. he IS rewarding the coppers who work in that dump everyday, and telling the dogs who just show up the party is over.
like the former fire commissioner he dont chase girls, they chase him. well g=mac has it dawned on you, you are just a pimple on the ass of progress. go back to st sabinas and ask if plaeger wants to go to ball game.
5.42am,,,it was Buckeye AZ, a little podunk place that evidently seems to have more brains than the City of Chicago has.
If society becomes a mass cesspool of crime and destruction, the truth is there is nothing the police can do about that, nor should they try.
8/19/2011 02:22:00 AM
we decide which is right
and which is a delusion?
on the CPD [Crooked Political Democregime] only Politics matter in the long run, whatever it pertains to, that's what it all boils down to.. So many great officers are stuck working for this political whorehouse, the Dept. control by the Mayor and fellow communists, is all up for grabs by political influence, payoffs, bribery, intimidation, extortion, etc. In essence, a great bunch of officers working for a totally Corrupt City Administration, that reigns over the Police Department with Kremlin-like control of its underlings. Politics first, law enforcement, fairness, and true justice later, if ever.
(OT) Just watched channel 7 news at 11, they said that rahm is having a survey conducted of "citizens" In Chicago via phone and asking if to save money he should cut POLICE and FIRE by 15%, and close 15 libraries! Wonder if the "citizens" are the ones who think a book is krypton and the police and fire are dispensable! Boys and girls it will get and is getting worse! Cut the police,barry just stop the deportation of illegals and watch the animals and savages rise up even more! less police=more crime simple math! less fire=slow response and when we have a terror attack who will respond? Bueller??
CITIZENS BURN UP THE PHONE LINES AND FLOOD THE EMAILS OF YOUR ELECTED IDIOTS WHEN WILL THE MADNESS END? where ARE "YOUR" TAX DOLLARS GOING? TO BUILD SCHOOLS FOR ILLEGALS?MORE PET PROJECTS FOR THE CONNECTED?
if he wants to lead by example then it should set in BC if he's holding commanders accountable then those above should be accountable as well all the way to the top. this should be a prime example of shit hitting the roof and not rolling down the hill
Good I'm a worker in 7 and won't have any trouble getting my days off . It's about time .
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Does anyone remember what town DTEB applied for police chief in AZ? I want to Google it just to refresh my memory.
Maybe send some copies to McStupe--but hey, McStupe has stepped in major shit before...so he's on the same level as the rest of the dopes at the top.
Also, I looked up Bernie Kerik--I thought he was in trouble for having an undocumented maid--OMG, it was so much more--like peddling influence, having mobsters remodel his apt., and personal gain from the 9/11 tragedy, as well as tax infractions....and his right-hand man????? None other than our new McStupe. Nice pick Rahm!
8/19/2011 05:42:00 AM
You mean in Bulleye az. when he lied on resume' and it was on the FRONT PAGE OF THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC newspaper? Fucking lying sack of shit and now another promotion! No wonder this dept is going to shit,with shit leaders makes us really want to work hard!! LOL!
Homer Simpson's Secrets of Life.
1. "Cover for me."
2. "It was like that when I got here."
3. "Good idea, Boss!"
It's like beating a dead horse week after week after week. Same old song and dance.
Below is a link to a blog and what it says.
http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/MoAlonzoDunsmoor/38774
Almost Buckeye police chief ...
A Chicago cop who almost nabbed the job as Buckeye Police Chief (only to be dropped after town officials discovered "inconsistencies" in his resume), explained to Chicago residents that it was all just a simple and honest mistake.
Lt. Ernest Brown, who was just named as acting head of Chicago Police Department's organized crime division, told the Chicago Sun-Times that he submitted an old resume that listed him as assistant deputy superintendent, a title he lost last spring when Supt. Jody Weis made several command-level changes.
"I was working off a [computer] disc with several resumes,'' Brown said. "I applied electronically.
Brown went on to say in the article that he wasn't trying to hide demotion and took Buckeye officials to his office and told him about his job.
Buckeye officials didn't return calls to the Sun-Times. They shouldn't feel bad. Town officials didn't give The Republic many details about Brown a few months ago when they dropped him as a top candidate for the job.
All they said were that there were "inconsistencies" on his resume.
I just hope that inconsistencies went beyond an error in a job title. Otherwise, what a waste of time and energy on the part of town officials.
Kerik, guiliani and a bunch of others benefited from the 911 tragedy. Kerik was just the g.gordon liddy of that east coast cabal. Looks like our supe is just being taken care of, knows to much. Gotta love rahmmy, he is such a team player.
Aren't you stretching things a bit with this arguement? The courts have shown many times that the police are not liable for the protection of citizens. If they show up late and someone is dead, you cannot collect. If you are robbed on the streets and you claim the police failed to protect you, you cannot collect. Pretty well established. Maybe, just Maybe, the superintendent is giving these people a chance to make it or break it on their own merit. You have to admit, never and I mean never, has a police commander been held truely accountable for crime in his district and the performance of the officers assigned to him. And, that really goes for every exempt in the department. I am retired now and I go back a few years. This is all new for the CPD. Ny had its share of scandals in the past and reinvented itself and has performed well. Lessons learned can be brought here.
who dat?
According to NBC Ward Room :
McCarthy is the highest paid city employee with an annual salary of $260,004.
Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Garry-McCarthy-123257593.html#ixzz1VUuo6fVG
SSC just wanted to make sure this is posted Anomymous. Thanks
McCarthy is the highest paid city employee with an annual salary of $260,004.
Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Garry-McCarthy-123257593.html#ixzz1VUuo6fVG
8/19/2011 05:42:00 AM
CPD's "Downtown Ernie Brown" gets caught fibbing on his resume for a Chief of Police job in Arizona
http://shavedlongcock.blogspot.com/2008/11/cpds-downtown-ernie-brown-gets-caught.html
McCarthy is the highest paid city employee with an annual salary of $260,004
Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Garry-McCarthy-123257593.html#ixzz1VV8NCc78http://www.chicagonewscoop.org/high-salaries-for-top-emanuel-officials-mccarthy-to-make-260000-as-top-cop/
I wonder if Bernie Kerik pled guilty because Garry McCarthy hired his son on the Newark pd using cronyism. A Paterson native, who you know falsified and used a bogus Newark address to get the job. The same tactics of bullying and separation are and have been used in the NPD for years. That's why McCarthy was a good fit for the Chicago PD.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/200...bernard_1.html
Lts should be assigned as shift supervisors in a district , responsible for roll calls and field lt. duties .captains assigned as watch commanders in areas to approve arrest reports and handle trrs , agg battery to police officers , remaining captains assigned as part of inspections division as field inspectors to fill in areas when the assigned captain is day off, medical , furlough etc .
Field inspectors could also assist area captains when more than 1 trr or major incident occurs in an area
Do you remember the news flash in 2010 that was quickly swept under the rug by the Department and the media--Perhaps it is worth another read...
Chicago Police Officer Speaks Out Against Chicago Brass- Now It's His Ass on the Line
http://www.chicagonow.com/your-doubting-thomas/2010/09/chicago-police-officer-speaks-out-against-chicago-brass-now-its-his-ass-on-the-line/
Public Corruption
The continued participation in public corruption activities appears to be much more important to Chicago's power elite than addressing the public safety dilemmas of its citizens.
While public corruption has always been a problem in Chicago, it seems to have become more overt than ever. It is amazing how politicians and the "connected ones" can act so openly now and with such impunity.
Political Corruption within the Police Department
A recent example of alleged political corruption ties to top tier leadership in the Chicago Police Department.
While Superintendent Jody Weis recently appointed Lieutenant Anthony Carothers to Commander of the Englewood District, his appointment has been received by the rank & file with utter disdain. They and some city residents call the appointment of Carothers a true lack of ethical consideration by the Superintendent.
Interestingly, the newly appointed Commander Anthony Carothers is the brother of Isaac Carothers, the Chicago Alderman recently convicted on charges of public corruption in Federal Court. Ironically, their father, William Carothers, also served as a Chicago Alderman until his conviction on public corruption charges in 1983.
A simple Google search of Anthony Carothers revealed a Federal Court civil action judgment that was entered against him in 1985. Then a Cook County Deputy Sheriff, Anthony acted in concert with his brother Isaac, in activities of intimidation, physical violence and abuses of authority against Arthur Turner, who was campaigning against their imprisoned father's aide for Alderman.
Clout Rules Supreme
Anthony Carothers has reportedly never been promoted by competitive examination score to the ranks of sergeant or lieutenant in the CPD. Instead, those ranks were given to him as "meritorious appointments." Promotions, along with a career full of prestigious assignments, flowed freely while his brother Isaac served as the powerful chairman of the Chicago City Council Committee on Police and Fire.
Carothers is just one the numerous political aristocracies this city and this police department has been forced to endure. The incompetent political hacks that have been positioned to lead us have only poisoned us as a department. They are an embarrassment to be associated with the many honorable men and women of the Chicago Police Department who serve its citizens daily with dignity and distinction. His story is here only because it is the newest. There are others... many others.
How many police departments have to check with the FBI prior to promoting people to see if they have a background?
Shouldn't they know about this already?
The statement is made that the FBI chose not to charge Anthony Carothers.
Does this mean that they had enough to charge him and opted not to? and If that's the case, why is he still working as a police officer to begin with?
Perhaps we should be asking these questions again, since the New Mayor seems to be protecting AC.
http://www.wgci.com/pages/tyblog.html?an=Police-Problems
You can call him "Super Agent 007"
the tone is set from the top. as long as superintendent, who is controlled by city hall, the dumbing-down and lowering of standards in the name of politics and diversity will continue.
meanwhile, anyone who believes in ethics and plays by the rules will continue to get nowhere.
He is UNTOUCHABLE right now. He has the dirt to take down a the major players in the Chicago Machine.
These are the same people to whom Rahm owes his success. The deal is that he keeps his rank and his paycheck or the shit hits the fan!!!
It has nothing to do with ability or competence. The City will deal with the liability of keeping this fool until the statute of limitations has run out!
TC is going nowhere any time soon. Time to move on and get rid of the rest of the dead weight.
TC and DTEB have the goods and the ball is their court, at least for the foreseeable future...
Their day will come...
Shine the light on these roaches. That's what they hate most.
So the voters are libel for OBama?
The good commander of 007 has a fresh sexual harassment beef coming down on him. He also said that baby furlos and days off will now be based on the officers activity...
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Isn't that a violation of the contract? If it isn't, it should be.
8/19
If you pick a full furlough period you are given an assigned baby furlo....thats in the order.You get it...period. If you split your furlo your baby furlo is a the discretion of the Commander.
Theres a lot of spostoos.
Off topic: someone asked who is the Sgt. in Baltimore and how can we help...Sgt. Richard Shanas( retired) in serious condition, has been in the hospital for months..Rick and his wife Maryann need our prayers,
To poster(s) at 8/19/2011 09:30:00 AM:
You should have asked if "M" stands for mary or mitchell
Why are officers still working for this guy? Stop it! Stop locking up people, stop with the movers,parkers,anov,contact cards etc. Just answer calls and run outta there after check off! Be safe
Anonymous Anonymous said...
you are only guaranteed a baby furlough if you are given/take a full furlough segment. even then, the baby furlough is designated for you. over the past 10 years, many people got it in their minds that they could take baby furloughs whenever they wanted and how often they wanted. it became an "entitlement" rather than a "favor". the commander of 007 is saying if you want a baby furlough that you are not entitled to have then don't check off with zeroes every day. if you are a worker you will get the baby furlough. he is rewarding the workers in his district and simply holding the dogs to the rules in place. if you drive around in circles they entire tour and want a baby furlough next year, take a full furlough. then you are guaranteed one. he IS rewarding the coppers who work in that dump everyday, and telling the dogs who just show up the party is over.
8/19/2011 10:56:00 AM
My job is to answer calls for service. I also back up my fellow officers whenever they need help. I am not going to be a BITCH and do what they tell me. What? Make arrests, contact cards, traffic tickets, parking tickets, curfews, traffic contact cards, etc.... FUCK IT. I AM THROUGH.
What is even more sad is how we as cops can't stick together. The minute the white shirts get on someone's back about "numbers being down" they go right out of roll call looking for arrests. When will people ever learn?
The Retired Sgt. in Baltimore is Rick Shanas, his wife Maryann is aso a retired CPD. Please pray for them both. He is in serious condition.
Cops get treated like shit in 007 and yet they still get involved in foot chases and proactive policing. I always get a kick out of that. Too fucking funny. Then when they get screwed they give the "I got screwed by this department" speech. How many times do other cops (who have significant work and life experience) tell some of you young cops not to stick your neck out and tell you that you should do two things: A. Give paper. B. Back up your fellow cops. When will it sink in for some of us?
(OT) Just watched channel 7 news at 11, they said that rahm is having a survey conducted of "citizens" In Chicago via phone and asking if to save money he should cut POLICE and FIRE by 15%, and close 15 libraries!
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That is truly disturbing.
Anonymous said...
Aren't you stretching things a bit with this arguement? The courts have shown many times that the police are not liable for the protection of citizens. If they show up late and someone is dead, you cannot collect. If you are robbed on the streets and you claim the police failed to protect you, you cannot collect. Pretty well established. Maybe, just Maybe, the superintendent is giving these people a chance to make it or break it on their own merit. You have to admit, never and I mean never, has a police commander been held truely accountable for crime in his district and the performance of the officers assigned to him. And, that really goes for every exempt in the department. I am retired now and I go back a few years. This is all new for the CPD. Ny had its share of scandals in the past and reinvented itself and has performed well. Lessons learned can be brought here.
8/19/2011 12:34:00 PM
Hey Asshat! Read the label--SARCASM AND SILLINESS!
Sheesh!
The commander of the 007th District must be a "source of information" for the FBI or some other Agency in the Justice department. Really no other explaination makes sense
anyone here anything about the new tac/gang hours???? supposivly days 12-2100hrs, nights 2000-0500hrs...
Met an ex-copper from CT today. He said Limon is in CT now. Can't remember what everyone here had to say about him--anybody work for him when he was here?
a/c dc is no brain trust but the man wants his people to at least check off with something other than 0's. hell, even a cta check would suffice. its 007, how is it that someone can go the whole tour w/out a parker, mover, contact card, arrest, anov, or whatever else is available; this is assuming you're not down on a hospital detail that downs you the entire tour. and it's not just one day but several days when you have the same dogs checking off with 0's. these people have no shame. theres plenty of assholes that live and hang out in 007 that deserve to be ticketed, arrested, etc. just my 2 cents
2:22 A.M.,Brother I never heard it explained better.You hit it right on the head.
Lts should be assigned as shift supervisors in a district , responsible for roll calls and field lt. duties .captains assigned as watch commanders in areas to approve arrest reports and handle trrs , agg battery to police officers , remaining captains assigned as part of inspections division as field inspectors to fill in areas when the assigned captain is day off, medical , furlough etc .
Field inspectors could also assist area captains when more than 1 trr or major incident occurs in an area
What about Captains counting radio's in OEMC ?
Incredible !!!
Feds investigate L.A. sheriff's office for civil rights violations
Los Angeles (CNN) -- The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department is being investigated for alleged "systemic" civil rights violations during routine traffic stops by trying to identify people who live in publicly subsidized housing, federal officials said Friday.
i cant find McCarthy ethics statement?
any help....
OR SALARY LISTING
The Retired Sgt. in Baltimore is Rick Shanas(cpd), his wife Maryann is alo a retired cpd, please pray for them both. he is in serious condition, she has been coping as best as she can, living in hotels. hoping he get better, so she can bring his back to chicago. University of Maryland Hostipal, Baltimore,Md
Lts should be assigned as shift supervisors in a district , responsible for roll calls and field lt. duties .captains assigned as watch commanders in areas to approve arrest reports and handle trrs , agg battery to police officers , remaining captains assigned as part of inspections division as field inspectors to fill in areas when the assigned captain is day off, medical , furlough etc .
Field inspectors could also assist area captains when more than 1 trr or major incident occurs in an area
8/19/2011 01:50:00 PM <<<<>><<<<
How many times does it have to be explained that having someone in charge not in the building DOESNT WORK?!?!?!?. Which Lt on the
watch will be in charge Lt A or B?
They tried this years ago with a Watch ops and Field ops Lt. Same rank, they both thought they were in charge. Or will he just handle roll calls?
Shit, I can call off names from a worksheet and read the C/O book and I have a blue shirt. If that's the case, skip the Lt altogether and have the desk sgt conduct roll calls.
Is the Captain in the area going to make out the assignment sheets for all the districts under his command and do 5 sets of A&A's, all without a secretary?
All of this looks great on paper;
But see how it works with interviewing multiple shitheads in different districts for the TRR's.
Having the radio room a 1/2 block away from the desk on the next floor works really well too.
Maybe the street sgt. can pass out the radios and beat tags and tasers and M4's and shotguns and LIDAR and ticket books and come in after 6 hours when 3 or 4 coppers need new batteries and they can get rid of one more person on the desk, too.
Then all our problems will be solved when they just put the CLOSED sign up and have you call 911 and send a car for everything, from your lost plate to your identity theft.
Then have all the phone calls transferred to 311. Then the remaining desk officer and desk sgt. can prepare the 50 page per arrestee package to send everyone to court.
I said it once, I said it twice, he's MAC-ZERO.
In CROOKago, the more incompetent you are , the higher up you go...
anyone here anything about the new tac/gang hours???? supposivly days 12-2100hrs, nights 2000-0500hrs...
8/19/2011 07:03:00 PM
Good. Everyone in the hood is just going to bed at 9am no need for tact to start at 9 and hit the street at 1230 after a 3 hr breakfast 10 miles out of their district.
Lts should be assigned as shift supervisors in a district , responsible for roll calls and field lt. duties .captains assigned as watch commanders in areas to approve arrest reports and handle trrs , agg battery to police officers , remaining captains assigned as part of inspections division as field inspectors to fill in areas when the assigned captain is day off, medical , furlough etc .
Field inspectors could also assist area captains when more than 1 trr or major incident occurs in an area
8/19/2011 01:50:00 PM
who is this guy that keeps posting this every few days for like the last 6 months. my guess is its a lt who wants wc pay everyday. listen man it just wont work. why you ask. because 2 lts run a watch. from personal experience it does not work. you need someone of higher rank to keep them in check, perhaps a captain. go away goof
he IS rewarding the coppers who work in that dump everyday, and telling the dogs who just show up the party is over.
Rewarding the worker? Ok, define "worker". Sounds simple, doesn't it? Some might say a worker is one who does the job he was hired to do. Problem here is that there are no definitions.
Did the commander also state what is required to fulfill this obligation? In plain words, just what do you have to bring in to be considered a worker?
Shit, I can call off names from a worksheet and read the C/O book and I have a blue shirt. If that's the case, skip the Lt altogether and have the desk sgt conduct roll calls.
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Ha Ha Ha Ha!
Thanks for bringing up great memories.
27 years ago while wokring in a particular southside district this was the norm.
The Watch Commander (Captain, whom EVERYONE loved) never went to roll call!
A sector Sgt. handled the roll call!
a/c dc is no brain trust but the man wants his people to at least check off with something other than 0's. hell, even a cta check would suffice. its 007, how is it that someone can go the whole tour w/out a parker, mover, contact card, arrest, anov, or whatever else is available; this is assuming you're not down on a hospital detail that downs you the entire tour. and it's not just one day but several days when you have the same dogs checking off with 0's. these people have no shame. theres plenty of assholes that live and hang out in 007 that deserve to be ticketed, arrested, etc. just my 2 cents
8/19/2011 07:20:00 PM
Maybe zeros are just fine because you work for an idiot commander who has done nothing but get merit promotions his entire career--who comes from a family of criminals--who remains in his position because of the corrupt influence of reverends and politicians--because you work for a dept. that doesn't give a f*ck about you until you are shot or killed and there is a photo op for the bosses and mayor?
YOU are the ASSHAT, not the ones checking off with zeros. Wake up and smell the coffee you moron.
Just wanted to commend the posters who understand that it doesn't matter who gets appointed Commander of 007. The Englewood community is simply a lost cause. Carothers is an arrogant jag. Of that there can be no doubt. But Englewood was a shithole when I came on the job, over 20 years ago. Only difference between Englewood and Jefferson Park is the people (and I don't mean racial makeup) who live in each community. The people of a community are what make or break it.
I work in 008 and know the guys in 007 work hard,to bad they have a hack as a commander and cuz of his name and color is in that position,hey Gmac hav u found out how we do things here yet?
Anonymous said...
The question I have is why do I hear footchases in 007? Motherfuckers....stop! Are you that stupid? If he denies time because of activity sue his ass!!!!! Everyone write down everything he does!
8/19/2011 08:55:00 AM
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Now there is an interesting concept of employment: Don't like the boss, stop doing your job and still get paid. Brilliant!!! Some of you really need to gtow up.
1 lt assigned to each watch as shift commander . Remaining lts assigned to an area as relief shift supervisor . The area deputy will assign lts to fill in as district shift supervisors.
Now no problem as to who is in charge.
Family gets $333,000 for 2009 raid in which cops killed dog
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-police-shoot-dog-20110819,0,4697991.story
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Is there a point? If what the plaintiffs claimed happened is true, the city got off cheap.
If what the plaintiffs claimed happened did not happen that way, there is likely a serious credibility issue going on between the CPD (and the city) and the public at large that has to be addressed.
Incredible !!!
Feds investigate L.A. sheriff's office for civil rights violations
Los Angeles (CNN) -- The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department is being investigated for alleged "systemic" civil rights violations during routine traffic stops by trying to identify people who live in publicly subsidized housing, federal officials said Friday.
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It is incredible. What kind of moron would think it is a good idea to target people who live in subsidised housing?
As a practical matter, maybe it is not such a bad idea but as a legal and political matter it is just plain dumb.
It's the old shell game. Where's the little ball. Rahms Con nothing is going to change. The remarks as to what role capt Lt sgt should have great idea were all happy for ya- Not happpening. Another speech parade and appearence corruption continued. Thats all I got
>>>Anonymous said...
1 lt assigned to each watch as shift commander . Remaining lts assigned to an area as relief shift supervisor . The area deputy will assign lts to fill in as district shift supervisors.
Now no problem as to who is in charge.
8/20/2011 10:21:00 AM<<<
Hey! No Problem Rahm!
Your idea sounds great! Just give that "Shift Commander" Captain's pay and make it pensionable.
Oh-Oh. I see. My bad. The whole idea to screw the cops in every way possible and pay 'em less so your pals, your New American voters can make more and keep you in office.
Do you get a good buzz from that xfinity stuff, and does anybody bring it to the Comcast meetings?
Maybe zeros are just fine because you work for an idiot commander who has done nothing but get merit promotions his entire career--who comes from a family of criminals--who remains in his position because of the corrupt influence of reverends and politicians--because you work for a dept. that doesn't give a f*ck about you until you are shot or killed and there is a photo op for the bosses and mayor?
YOU are the ASSHAT, not the ones checking off with zeros. Wake up and smell the coffee you moron.
8/20/2011 07:47:00 AM
Typical reponse/excuse of a DOG to justify not doing anything. Have some f'n pride in your job! Your job is not to make a boss look good or to impress them.
Anonymous said...
Family gets $333,000 for 2009 raid in which cops killed dog
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-police-shoot-dog-20110819,0,4697991.story
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Is there a point? If what the plaintiffs claimed happened is true, the city got off cheap.
If what the plaintiffs claimed happened did not happen that way, there is likely a serious credibility issue going on between the CPD (and the city) and the public at large that has to be addressed.
8/20/2011 11:22:00 AM
Pay the savages but not regular citizens or police. A cop who lives on the edge of Englewood had his dog shot as tactical officers chased a corner dope slinger into his back yard. doggie did the right thing and clamped down in the dope slinger's leg but then came at police. Police shot dog, OK no police hurt, dog didn't die, dog recovered after surgery.
City then refused to pay the vet bill for the dog. That's all, no damages, no big settlement, the cop only asked for reimbursement for the vet. That was about $6,000. City said go ahead and sue. Dog was chained up in a locked yard.
Yet the savages being served a lawful search warrant get a winning ghetto lotto ticket.
It seems that some " johnny come latelys" who blog here think that having an idiot or incompetent political hack for a commander or higher is something new on this department. I go back to the late 60's and I can assure you it is not. There was no merit promotions back then, but the feds were not watching and for money you could make rank, same difference. And, these same bloggers want to degrade those police officers who really believe in the job and want to work , even for incompetents, as morans and asshhats. What is saving these do-nothings from the unemployment line is a system that just does not know how to weed out the do-nothings. But, in their defense, I have seen many a goo man come on the job with the best intentions only to be soured by the political patronage system of the department. I think McCarthy is the last best hope to make some meaningful changes.
G-mac makes $260,000
The next bs that the supe wants to spring on us is the changing of commanders. He wants commanders of color in districts that have always had white bosses and visaversa.Also he plans to put bosses from slow districts in fast ones, and commanders from fast districts in slow ones. Sounds like a good way to keep a certain boss in command. Cant wait to see how the commander of 007 does in 019 or 24
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