013, 021 Closing?
We've heard this rumor for years now.
We've had readers post it at various times during the life of the blog.
It's never really been politically viable in the recent past. But now?
We've gotten a few e-mails in the past few days that hint it might be back on the front burner again. The power-that-be are willing to take the short term political hit to save tens of millions in operating the actual physical buildings and potentially tens of millions more in eliminated exempt spots, inside spots and the paper savings of eliminating the resultant "vacancies."
Frankly, we agree with closing 021 and re-districting would eliminate at least one north side district - 013 makes sense. It also puts CPD well on the way to McCarthy's vision of a 9,000 man department - it's been overheard at CompStat meetings that "Houston does it, so why can't Chicago?"
Now how about driving a stake through the heart of the CAPS vampire? McCarthy would be well on his way to Rahm's $190 million in "savings."
We've had readers post it at various times during the life of the blog.
It's never really been politically viable in the recent past. But now?
We've gotten a few e-mails in the past few days that hint it might be back on the front burner again. The power-that-be are willing to take the short term political hit to save tens of millions in operating the actual physical buildings and potentially tens of millions more in eliminated exempt spots, inside spots and the paper savings of eliminating the resultant "vacancies."
Frankly, we agree with closing 021 and re-districting would eliminate at least one north side district - 013 makes sense. It also puts CPD well on the way to McCarthy's vision of a 9,000 man department - it's been overheard at CompStat meetings that "Houston does it, so why can't Chicago?"
Now how about driving a stake through the heart of the CAPS vampire? McCarthy would be well on his way to Rahm's $190 million in "savings."
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
98 Comments:
caps is the biggest waste in this century! Just away for the bullshit revs to get their peoples in positions of very big money! No show no work jobs just like on the Sopranos! Dump caps now waste of money!! Fuck it SCC close all the districts we could report to work via phone like the state police do,and ride the cta to all our jobs! The CTA will really need it when the special is disbanded in October! Who is in charge the 3 stooges?
Closing 021 does NOT make any sense! Hyde park needs us as well as Chinatown! Our Commander Richard Elmer just retired, we are flying blind at the momemt but we arent going anywhere without a fight!!
work in 013..been told its done deal.its happening..100% finalized
Compare CPD to Houston? Houston cops kill more shitheads than cancer and "the sugars" combined. Shitheads fear Houston cops and more importantly the human public respects their cops. Here? None of that applies.
also a good rumor that we might go nypd style with areas eliminated and dicks in every district.
The delta between the number of aldermen and the number of district commanders is curious -- I mean in that why are the commanders required to know what's going on in their much larger districts while an alderman has a much smaller territorial Ward to deal with?
How about 50 police districts and 25 Wards....
They'll never get rid of CAPS ! It's another conduit for payoff $$ to the undeserving, but clouted Dog Asses !
good ridance...close 012 also....the last time districts were re-drawn...was the early 80's...we are a very outdated city...we need to change with the times...we are about 30 years behind most major city depts...
I can't say anything about how closing 021 would be handled, but 014 is big enough already and can't pick up the geoography of 013, as well.
If that's the plan, then why not just make the whole city ONE big district? I mean, if size doesn't matter...
The 8th District is so huge that it would qualify as the second largest city in Illinois with nearly a quarter million residents.
Any fool must realize it must be divided into two separate districts.
In addition, the northern boundary of Districts 015, 011 and 013 must be moved another half mile from Division St. to North Avenue. Move the border between 014 and 025 from Central Park Ave. to Pulaski Rd.
Consolidate 012 and 013 as well as 002 and 021.
013 will close for sure. There's no longer a large voting block of any coddled class. Just a large population of white people who pay a lot of property tax, and who will vote for Rahm no matter how they are being under served.
Turning CPD into a 9,000 member department? I guess that's one way of addressing the hiring problem.
Whoever does the research on how many law enforcement officers cover particular cities, e.g. Los Angeles, Houston, etc., they better take into consideration that in those cities and in a number of other large cities, the local sheriff departments supplement street patrol.
That is not the case here - as most people know. It also would not be a good idea here, given that the Cook County Sheriff's office is worse than CPD when it comes to political hacks.
The politicians, with the potential of Supt. McNutty falling in line right behind them, are creating a future disaster for the citizens of Chicago.
WE ARE DRASTICALLY UNDERMANNED AND JUST THE SMALLEST EMERGENCY WILL SHOW HOW ILL PREPARED CPD IS FOR IT.
The G8 and NATO meeting in May will demonstrate that.
And if the Ballerina tries to blame CPD for the out-of-control mobs and use that as a leveraging tool in contract negotiating, the Ballerina ought to see where that tactic will get him when cops don't show up for work.
He and McCarthy are misjudging the response of the rank-and-file. I know some cops will say, "We can't stick together," but I think with the rumors floating around and the consistent disrespect from City Hall, HQ, the media, and many citizens, the camel's back is pretty close to being broken.
I would hate to see what a few days in the life of Chicago would look like if no police/fire showed up for work.
Hate to agree with them but 012 and 014 could easily absorb 013 by meeting at Chivago Ave; likewise, 002 could absorb 021 no problem.
Correct me if I am wrong... but Houston can have 9,000 police because the good citizens have a right to carry.
And why not 012 why we're at it?
I've seen this rumor countless times before.
It seems more plausible now than before because we've never been stripped to the bone and had to cut almost $200 million from our police budget before now.
Can't say for sure whether it would be a good thing or not but I've got to think that under the current circumstances they'll probably give it some serious consideration.
CAPS...useless,useless,useless...Can't believe McCarthy won't finally give it the axe to save some money and leave the working police alone!
also a good rumor that we might go nypd style with areas eliminated and dicks in every district.
9/06/2011 12:39:00 AM
Interesting you say that. I used to hear that discussed many years ago. That could be a possible move so they can eliminate detective area commanders; and perhaps other supervisory levels within the D unit, thus "saving the city money".
It would put more responsibility on district commanders to actually know what crime is occurring within their district and whats being done about it. The whole "detectives now working closely with po's" public relations thing.
You know downtown brown will take credit for this.
Who, btw, is also a very very very good friend of former chief of country club hills police...uh mm.
Just a Thought.
021 will not close. The 021 District will receive the retreaded and regroomed Mike Shields. The cousin of First lady Brobama. He will reign over Hyde Park (Brobama's home still there) and take care of the Sauganash [sic] of the southside. From here he will rise through the ranks, to once again take a place in the Ivory Tower...Thanks Rahmbo!
Close 007........put up a wall around it (Escape from New York style)........
Just saved miiiiillions!!!
That is not the case here - as most people know. It also would not be a good idea here, given that the Cook County Sheriff's office is worse than CPD when it comes to political hacks.
Many Cook County Sheriff hacks ironically come from CPD.
Anonymous said...
good ridance...close 012 also....the last time districts were re-drawn...was the early 80's...we are a very outdated city...we need to change with the times...we are about 30 years behind most major city depts...
9/06/2011 01:11:00 AM
Who's the moron that always wants to close 012? The new station is going up at 15/blue island. So sorry, you can stop ur wishing and go play police in your "busy" district. We don't want an idiot like you in 012 anyway.
Houston also gets a lot more support from Harris County than we get from Cook County.
I would hate to see what a few days in the life of Chicago would look like if no police/fire showed up for work.
Never happen.
You can't even get 2 cops to agree on where to have lunch let alone risk getting fired for what the powers that be would call a strike.
If you want to do something then work within the system.
Hit the medical. They can't touch you as long as you follow the rules.
Medical not your cup of tea? Then just do the opposite. Start locking people up! Can you imagine what would happen if EVERY copper was in the station on an arrest? The RAP would be HUGE! And again, what would the bosses say to you? You are doing your job.
Hate to agree with them but 012 and 014 could easily absorb 013 by meeting at Chivago Ave; likewise, 002 could absorb 021 no problem.
9/06/2011 02:41:00 AM
Maybe 002 and 001 or 002, 001, 009 and 012 even. How the hell is 002 which is constantly in back logs going to absorb a district the size of 021 all by itself? 021 goes from Chinatown to Hyde Park, has two hospitals, 5 miles of lakefront, countless parks, U of C and IIT, and the Dearborns as well as Archer Courts which are slowly starting to revert back to the days of old. It may not be the busiest district anymore but there's a high enough volume of shit to handle simply because of it's size. It can be closed but you're going to need more than 002 to absorb it all.
Any copper that advocates closing ANY District is either not a copper, or is not very smart.
We need more districts, not less. Many are too big geographically already. And when geography, density and population are combined, we should have between 14,000 & 16,000 cops. You have to remember to look at crime rate, not overall crimes. For instance our murder rate is still one of the highest in the country. A district should not be larger than 5-6 square miles. Smaller districts allow for quicker response, better police-public contacts and allows the street police to learn their problem areas in a more efficient way (ala beat integrity). Many 911 calls could be redirected to station visits and the problems handled there freeing up the beat cars to do what they are there for - crime fighting. When NYPD added COMSTAT they also added several thousand more cops. Someone already pointed out that LA, Houston, Dallas, etc. are policed not only by their PD but also by the sheriff. Overseas when violence sparked via IEDs and ambushes, the military didn't pull out troops, they "surged" the number of resources into those areas. Someday soon, this city with its depleted police resources will pay. You CANNOT do more with less when people's lives are at stake.
what is the real reason they will be closing--- because citywide the cpd doesn't have enough officers, sgts, lts, and captains to fill all 25 districts with the appropriate amount of manpower--- so you tell people you are saving them money by closing a couple of stations--- but every street in every closed district still has to be patrolled so they get absorbed by another district--- the beats will be redrawn and will be much larger than before so you really get less service than you had before because the 2 coppers working that beat have more ground to cover....
The closing of 021 and 013 is nothing personal against the cops that work there, nor the residents that receive service there, its a case of those two stations being way beyond their useful life and no money to build new. As far as the conveinience factor, many residents of 021 live closer to 002anyway. What would have made sense at the time is if HQ also housed the 21st district. I always thought it was disgraceful that you could walk into HQ looking for police service and a car from the 002 would have to be called to the scene! As far as 013, the last time I was there the processing area had been quaranteened. Its a filthy building with no architectural value at all and little or no parking. The smart money would have been to renovate 023 rather than build new and merge 013 and 012 into one new station. Instead 023 was sold for a dollar. 2million worth of property sold for a dollar.
C.A.P.S. works!
(Would I lie?)
rumor is that CFD will be losing a District as well by the end of the year.
ive been on this job for 30 yrs...and i know when the dept. starting going to shit....it was the year the caps program started. ever since then it's been downhill in every way you can think of. we gave up what little control we had to the rev's and the village idiots, and we're not getting it back...oh what a great job this used to be....
21 was scheduled to close back in the OW Wilson days, but the university of Chicago and Chinatown save it. It should be closed. It is not needed. I worked there twice over my career and it was a great district to work in. Most of the projects are gone now and the U of C police are much larger . Those old stationa are just too small . Ya, someones ox is getting gored and they will think up lots of reasons to keep it open. 013 is another one. When it had the courts on the 2nd floor is served a purpose. Now, not so much. They probably can close 5-6 stations and not even feel it.
Shields has been very quiet...Must be busy shining Rahm's shoes...You all realize that this guy isn't gonna do an damn thing?All bullshit & bluster.
I have been a Houston Police officer for 13 years. We have more than 600 square miles and 2.1 million people. Our police department has about 5100 officers. Yes, we do shoot a lot of people. Our laws are definitely more favorable to the police in that regard. And Harris County sentences more persons to death than most states. However, our department is struggling as well. The ratio of officers here is much lower than Chicago. We also don't have any patrol/investigative help from any of the three counties of which Houston exists. Harris County Sheriff's office is also drastically undermanned. On a side note, I really enjoy reading this blog. My sister lived in Chicago for several years, on the north side a short distance away from Evanston.
If you like Houston's Policing model, by all means apply for the position as Chief.
Where does one come up with, " if it works in ---, it'll work in Chicago" bullshit? And this comes from a leader?
The City's problems whether social or financial doesn't come from the working beat officers. It's the politicians and the malcontent inhabitants.
Go sell crazy someplace else GMac, we're all stocked up from The Obama-Daley-Rahm Give Away Days.
BTW, was there a Back to School Rally anywhere up north? Couldnt get the day off, so my kids didn't get their free backpacks. Just wondering.
Supt. McCarthy , Close 13 and 21 is a good idea. Now , what about changing general orders and assign a Sergeant as Shift Commander . It works in all suburban depts. , so why not in Chicago . Most Desk Sgts. do most of work , have beat sgt. conduct roll calls . Assign a Lt. or Captain to areas to approve arrest reports . This would save CPD alot of money.
We need to start thinking outside the box to save the city money. Suggestion #1- Eliminate the position of superintendent. He is only a puppet and fall guy for the mayor. Suggestion #2- Eliminate all exempts. They are simply puppets and fall guys for the superintendent. Then we can take orders directly from the balerina and he can take the fall when he screws everything up. The savIngs to the city would be significant.
good ridance...close 012 also....the last time districts were re-drawn...was the early 80's...we are a very outdated city...we need to change with the times...we are about 30 years behind most major city depts...
012 is going to close - as soon as the new station opens up at Racine/Blue Island !!!
Anonymous said...
good ridance...close 012 also....the last time districts were re-drawn...was the early 80's...we are a very outdated city...we need to change with the times...we are about 30 years behind most major city depts...
9/06/2011 01:11:00 AM
Ain't gonna happen!
The new 012 station is under construction.
013 and 021 have no plans to be rebuilt, that tells me,
they gone!
012 is not going to close....they're are building a new district on Blue Island between 14th and 15th st. DONE DEAL and the construction has been going on for about a year. So with that being said.....bye bye 013 & 021.....
Anonymous said...
I can't say anything about how closing 021 would be handled, but 014 is big enough already and can't pick up the geoography of 013, as well.
If that's the plan, then why not just make the whole city ONE big district? I mean, if size doesn't matter...
9/06/2011 01:22:00 AM
Big enough how? If 013 closes 014 and other districts would divide the geographic area and man power.
Same area and same bodies covering same. Less 1 station, 1 commander, and the assorted money needed to maintain such.
You could always bid to 007.
In addition 23 should have NEVER been built.
It is because of the politicians kissing the asses of the gay community that it was built.
The old 023 should have been left open as a satilite station to keep 'em happy for a while. 2 officers work the desk only to handle walk-ins.
019 and 020 could have covered 023 with no problem.
McCarthy's vision of a 9,000 man department? Aren't we there now?
How about the real numbers from the FOP?
In addition . . the money spent to build the new 023 should have been spent to build a new station that would have covered the 013 and 012 districts.
Anonymous said...
good ridance...close 012 also....the last time districts were re-drawn...was the early 80's...we are a very outdated city...we need to change with the times...we are about 30 years behind most major city depts...
9/06/2011 01:11:00 AM
Why would they close 012. They are getting a new station on 14th/Blue Island. Boy your dumb. However, I can see 013 being joined with 012. This would make sense, hence the new station again.
I work in 021 and our Commander just retired last week. Commander Elmer I worked for you when you were a LT, CAPT, and Commander. You were easily the best boss I've ever had. Good luck in retirement and all your future endeavors!
People keep saying close 012. Guys, they're getting a brand new district. All the more reason to close 013.
It's about time , no lock ups ,
9 beat cars , low crime rate .
Sell buildings , less exempts ,captains , lts , sgts ,
30 less tactical officers to be agressive beat officers , less caps officers and clerical workers.
we need the extra bodies on the street , good way to reduce a few million dollars from our budget.
We keep hearing about the manpower issues and the budget. Has anyone ever looked at how many sworn personnel are assigned or detailed to the superintendents office? Take a look it's very interesting. Deputy Chief Rottner retires and low and behold two oficers, one sergeant and a P.O., Sgt. (K.C.) and P.O. (C.A.) are now working for the superintendent. Have these two ever worked the street? Start cutting in your office boss before you come out to the districts and give us more BS!
9,000 officers at full strength
cpd won't have to promote for along time .
Dicks in every district would eliminate a layer of supervisors.
This is good for all of us in Patrol , we need the help.
I am a Sgt. and have been a Tact Sgt. since 9/11 and have never been given any substantial training of any kind in reference to any major disaster. That week at Northside Academy was informative but as we all know, family first. Streaming video just doesn't count. If your in my district and your on the sheets for the day, they just put your name in the computer saying you saw the video of the day. Doesn't matter that you showed up late and didn't see it. City just covering their ass. If your a citizen reading this blog...your screwed! If your a reporter ask any cop you know and they will tell you the same. After 9/11 they sent us downtown and told us to WATCH that building.... Thanks for the training! We don't know anymore than the police and fire did on that day on 9/11 except "running in may not be such a good idea!" No, I am not a jag and yes I am the police and would do anything for you, but really what training do we have? They don't even update CPR. Have at it!
Why not just wait about 5 years when Chicago will in fact be DETROIT. With just about every decent person gone from the city we can cut the districts down to about maybe 4 and that will be that. Of course we will still need 50 wards. Gotz to keep those Aldercreatures and their families working.
When the CPD does go to 9,000 officers will they still have the same number of bosses? Of course it will. A lot of chiefs and very few indians.
good ridance...close 012 also....the last time districts were re-drawn...was the early 80's...we are a very outdated city...we need to change with the times...we are about 30 years behind most major city depts...
WOW. Did you get dumped from 012 or something? I don't think your wish will come true with the new station already rising at Racine and Blue.
Closing 021 does NOT make any sense! Hyde park needs us as well as Chinatown! Our Commander Richard Elmer just retired, we are flying blind at the momemt but we arent going anywhere without a fight!!
9/06/2011 12:23:00 AM
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Ummmm, OK.. Good luck with that.
I hope these officers get a chance to bid out and not reassigned to 3,4,5,6,7,8,11,and15.
And why not 012 why we're at it?
What did you get dumped too? You and the other guy geeeez.
What CAPS program we have one Sgt and one snaggletooth female officer. But then again that WOULD be a extra body.
Great except concessions Again thought this was SCC not FOP. CAPS as useless as is takes alot of citizens stupidity complaints but can be streamlined partime.
This would be a good start in the right direction. I also think that the CPD could operate with less IF all the house mouses were put back on the street & some of these units were dissolved. CAPS would be a good start. Also if the duckers would stop hiding on jobs just so they didn't have to take another.
IF this job was on the square it could be done. But until it is we need more help.
How to find 180 million dollars..
#1 Downside the CAPS program to the size of what existed under Rochford/O'Grady's time and then fill most of the positions with civilians.
#2 Close 013 & 021. This will eliminate two exempt positions and a large amount of useless inside sworn positions.
#3 In all district stations, areas and especially 35th & Michigan look at all of the sworn positions for all ranks and determine if they can be replaced with civilian hires.
#4 Those inside sworn positions that remain should be required to wear uniforms including when they go to lunch or shopping, that means no civilian jacket over the blue shirt. The only exemptions in any unit, including detectives, should be approved by a Chief or above.
#5 In the exempt offices a close look should be taken at the number of sergeants and lieutenants working there. They normally do not supervise anyone and therefore belong on the street. Police officers are paid to "Serve & Protect" not to sit behind a desk in an office!
#6 A close look should be taken at the number of units, exempts and supervisors in OCD and the Detective Division. They could be merged into each other and therefore save administrative costs.
7. Take home vehicles should be scrutinized carefully and many of them should be moved to M-plates, which would help limit misuse.
8. Many of these other exempt positions and units at 35th Street that are filled with politically related individuals should be merged or eliminated. CPD could exist with the elimination of 20 to 30 exempt positions.
9. Explain to the rank and file that any thing that they can do to help raise revenue will benefit the organization and the City as a whole.
10. The City should articulate to the rank and file that there has been abuses with merit promotions and they will not allow it in the future.
11. The City should state there is abuse in the medical roll and they should meet with the Unions and come up with a responsible plan. Most sworn members despise the few that abuse the medical roll and will welcome a responsible program. In the same vein the Pension Board should go after those who have obtained a disability pension that they are not entitled too.
It is shameful that the City has articulated their desires without first approaching the bargaining units and in-exchange the bargaining units should try to reach an agreement that is least painful to all.
In these times of economic difficulties I fear that the rank and file will suffer the most and I see little or no support coming from the major unions or the Democratic Party for us. They claim to speak for the middle class but in this issue they have been silent.
To all the idiots on this site who think closing 012, 013 021 or any district is a good idea. Do you really think any money saved by the city will somehow benefit the rest of the department? You are the same idiots who will someday be bosses and are ruining this department with these great ideas. Shut the fuck up, put in your time, and someday bid out of the shity districts you're probably in.
When the CPD does go to 9,000 officers will they still have the same number of bosses? Of course it will. A lot of chiefs and very few indians.
The CPD is starting to look a whole lot like Doty's 'vision' of the UCPD. We've been pared to the bone
by this fool, with more cuts to come in the future.
If the department is approximately 20 percent short of police officers, then the department should be 20 percent less of supervisory positions - specifically exempt rank.
Close 1,2,3,4,5,6,789 etc! Close the entire thing!! I shouldve been a firemen!! Be safe
Dicks in every district would eliminate a layer of supervisors.
This is good for all of us in Patrol , we need the help.
Your statement makes NO sense. How do dicks in the district eliminate a layer of supervisors? Your ignorance shines through.
Anonymous said...
I can't say anything about how closing 021 would be handled, but 014 is big enough already and can't pick up the geoography of 013, as well.
If that's the plan, then why not just make the whole city ONE big district? I mean, if size doesn't matter...
9/06/2011 01:22:00 AM
Big enough how? If 013 closes 014 and other districts would divide the geographic area and man power.
Same area and same bodies covering same. Less 1 station, 1 commander, and the assorted money needed to maintain such.
You could always bid to 007.
9/06/2011 10:39:00 AM
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Thanks for your concern, but I'm already WAY past my days of working in 014. And 007? Hahahahahaha! KMA.
How about the real numbers from the FOP?
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How can Mike Shields not have an accurate number? He doesn't know how many are paying union dues AND he doesn't know how many are making pension contributions. What does he know?
Rather than closing any Police Districts.
I would rather see 25 Alderman Jobs and Staff eliminated!
We don't NEED "50 Bozo" yes people!
Da Pelon
Ain't gonna happen!
The new 012 station is under construction.
013 and 021 have no plans to be rebuilt, that tells me,
they gone!
9/06/2011 10:34:00 AM
Pigs will grow wings and fly under their own power and J-FLED will get courage from the Wizard of Oz before 021 is ever closed. U OF course, will C.
Houston also gets a lot more support from Harris County than we get from Cook County.
I am from the Sheriff's Police Gang Unit, we help when we are asked, we do joint op's with you guys, we would help more if asked and if we had more guys. We are down about 80 guys or so since 2008.
The delta between the number of aldermen and the number of district commanders is curious -- I mean in that why are the commanders required to know what's going on in their much larger districts while an alderman has a much smaller territorial Ward to deal with?
How about 50 police districts and 25 Wards....
9/06/2011 12:39:00 AM
Great point; I can't agree more.
He has no idea what clout the University of Chicago has, but if he tries to close 021 he will learn.
021 and 013 are toast.The community will bitch but there are no city elections on the horizon and the politicos could care less,for they know how short the memory of the public is.When this experiment works,and it will,watch for the mighty Rham to take it further.
Anonymous said...
I am a Sgt. and have been a Tact Sgt. since 9/11 and have never been given any substantial training of any kind in reference to any major disaster. That week at Northside Academy was informative but as we all know, family first. Streaming video just doesn't count. If your in my district and your on the sheets for the day, they just put your name in the computer saying you saw the video of the day. Doesn't matter that you showed up late and didn't see it. City just covering their ass. If your a citizen reading this blog...your screwed! If your a reporter ask any cop you know and they will tell you the same. After 9/11 they sent us downtown and told us to WATCH that building.... Thanks for the training! We don't know anymore than the police and fire did on that day on 9/11 except "running in may not be such a good idea!" No, I am not a jag and yes I am the police and would do anything for you, but really what training do we have? They don't even update CPR. Have at it!
9/06/2011 01:56:00 PM
I agree. I find it stupid quite frankly when they assign us to details and the order reads "bring your riot gear/helmet/gas mask. But when you arrive to the detail everything stays in the car that is parked about half a mile from your post. God forbid something happens here boy are we fucked! Um, yeah, squad can I mobile with the fire department... oh wait the radio issue that was supposed to allow us to communicate with fire after 9/11 yeah rite!
Maybe we should just cut 25 alderman leaving 25, thus 1 in each district. They the can have their office by the front desk so they can help all the shitbums sleeping there in the morning. maybe even buy them donuts from their 75,000 stipends.
I agree with the guy who said close 007 and put a fence around the whole district. But we should also have free gun, bat and wine night,then napalm whats left in the morning.
close 13 and sent them to 7 and 8 district
also a good rumor that we might go nypd style with areas eliminated and dicks in every district.
9/06/2011 12:39:00 AM
There will be room for everyone, the dicks, the homeless, and everyone else. Good luck on this plan.
Anonymous said...
Dicks in every district would eliminate a layer of supervisors.
This is good for all of us in Patrol , we need the help.
9/06/2011 01:42:00 PM
ou need a lot of help.............................................................
Stations won't close, it's too hot politically. The UofC won't stand for 021 to close and the Yuppies will scream bloody murder about 13. Both were talked about (along with 20) around '91 and people went nuts. A rumor went years ago about splitting 16 around Canfield and letting the airport take it, that went nowhere either.
The Dicks can totally have those CAPS offices...and if the Revs really wont let go of CAPS..hire civilians with half the pay so they can play soccer with the kids and have coffee with the seniors.
Closing 013 would be easy, they haven't had a working lockup for years. Easy to divide it up between 011, 012, 014, 018. Only 9 beats in 013. 014 gets 10 sector south to chicago ave. minus the far east end. That goes to 018, in fact 018 could go west to say Ashland. 012 and 011 move north to Chicago ave picking up 2 beats each. The interesting thing would be the super bid process out of 013. 50 PO's to each district. I bet NOT! Very credible rumor in this day and age.
Compare CPD to Houston? Houston cops kill more shitheads than cancer and "the sugars" combined. Shitheads fear Houston cops and more importantly the human public respects their cops. Here? None of that applies.
BECAUSE, HOUSTON POLICE, ON ALL THREE WATCHES, ARE ONE MAN CARS!
THERE AIN'T NO WHINING ABOUT WORKING ALONE IN HOUSTON; BUT THEN THE END RESULT IS, A LOT MORE OF DEAD BAD-GUYS, WHICH THE CITIZENS OF HOUSTON ABSOLUTELY LOVE!
By putting the dets in the districts, they can be supervised by district supervisors, thus eliminating sgts, lts, and a Commander spot in the areas, thgus a layer of management.
Anonymous said...
We keep hearing about the manpower issues and the budget. Has anyone ever looked at how many sworn personnel are assigned or detailed to the superintendents office? Take a look it's very interesting. Deputy Chief Rottner retires and low and behold two oficers, one sergeant and a P.O., Sgt. (K.C.) and P.O. (C.A.) are now working for the superintendent. Have these two ever worked the street? Start cutting in your office boss before you come out to the districts and give us more BS!
9/06/2011 01:15:00 PM
Hey Sarge ... Sgt. KC did more work in a week as a tact. and gang sgt. than you did in your whole career and now you're hiding behind a desk in 023. Get a life, asswipe.
Put all the homeless in the two closed stations. Put in cots and have the city provide some hot meals for the indigent. For fun the homeless can play desk sgt., lockup keeper, and interrogate prisoners in the interview rooms. Also they can play reruns of training tapes to put everyone to sleep when it gets dark outside.
012 will never close, I mean look at the area and people who live in it. It's close to downtown, includes all of uic. The area keeps booming it's realistically too important of an area. Just wait until they move the rest of the unwanted out and it will be even better.
Dicks in the districts the NY model would not work her because we dont have enough to cover all the districts 24/7.
It is amazing how short the Detective division is.
From HPD-I could have stated my earlier comment in a better fashion. With respect to Harris, Montgomery and Fort Bend Counties, the Houston PD has a good working relationship with each, and we do help each other. But their resources are even less than ours, i.e. Harris County has only 6-7 robbery investigators...for the whole county. Each county has their own case load and has to conserve their resources. And with the respective jails to run, and Commisioner's Court to be fought, I know HCSO does quite well, given their limited manpower. No interagency rivalry that I've seen, just hard-working officers trying to hold onto what they have in the "do more with less" age of policing.
8000 Sworn Police Officers. That is the total as of 5 days ago. This includes is everyone. The numbers are calculated every day at 35th & Michigan. The FOP knows this and not one word out of them.
Anonymous said...
Put all the homeless in the two closed stations. Put in cots and have the city provide some hot meals for the indigent. For fun the homeless can play desk sgt., lockup keeper, and interrogate prisoners in the interview rooms. Also they can play reruns of training tapes to put everyone to sleep when it gets dark outside.
9/06/2011 11:26:00 PM
Brilliant and funny.
how about closing nothing morons and hire police...
Closing 021 does NOT make any sense! Hyde park needs us as well as Chinatown! Our Commander Richard Elmer just retired, we are flying blind at the momemt but we arent going anywhere without a fight!!
9/06/2011 12:23:00 AM
You are an idiot.
Figures, you work in 021.
Anonymous said...
8000 Sworn Police Officers. That is the total as of 5 days ago. This includes is everyone. The numbers are calculated every day at 35th & Michigan. The FOP knows this and not one word out of them.
9/07/2011 11:07:00 AM
You are So full of shit. Go back in the basement and play with your Nintendo. You haven't got a clue what you are talking about!
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