Disguise Tact?
We had heard rumblings of this, but is it on paper finally?
- SCC I am sure by now you have been made aware of the new push By Mcjoke to make tact officers appear less like the police and more like the NYPD Anticrime unit, but I just wanted to let you know what a joke and officer safety nightmare we are headed for.
I am not a hair gel tact guy and yes I am lucky to have a spot, so by no means am I complaining just giving my humble opinion. Last week we were told no outside vest covers and to remove everything from our belts let alone having a duty rig period. We were told to cover our vests with another garment in attempt to look less like the police.
Now this is all fine and dandy, but do these fucks running this dept into the ground really think that the bangers don't know that the 2 or 3 white guys jumping out of a god damn unmarked squad car aren't the police!
NYPD has the resources, vehicles etc.. to make that unit operate under the radar and not look like the police, we are lucky to have a functioning pdt let alone a covert vehicle.
I'll end my rant and let all the tact haters comment now, but the other issue is officer safety. What happens during the first foot pursuit when a copper shoots at, or god forbid hits another copper mistakenly took for a bad guy when he is running with his weapon drawn? Does the Sup know we just gave every banger the tool to say I didn't know they were the police after we are battered or shot at?
Just wanted to keep you apprised of the usual incompetency of our dept SCC.
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
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It cannot be done period!! Welcome to chicago and cook county........they always ask did you have your star on and exposed......did have your vest exposed did you have anything to SHOW you were the police......no? Really....not guilty and here come the law suits......and let's see mc dumbass has our backs then
Why are we concerned with attire. We still have 25 Lts responsible for 3 sgts ea. And another 5 area Lts responsible for 2 sgts. And 25 sgts running part time caps. Wtf, concerned about clothes, what happened to Hillards recommendation to put the officers in dists and uniforms, more police presence not less .
no duty belt rig is very unsafe. i only say this because if you train with one system for years on end and then change it you will be acting like a lost fumbling fool when the shit hits the fan..old habits. this will cost officer safety big time.
That will work until some shit head shoots an Officer because " I didn't know he was the police ".
Defense attorneys have used that bs before.
As I recall from way in the past there was a big push ( bigger than normal ) for Officers to wear their hat's because a defense att'y had successfully used the " I didn't know he was the police " defense.
Offender had shot at Officer.
Never understood why tact guys run around with gun belts and vests,,, NO TACTICAL ADVANTAGE!!!! Belive it or not, there is a G>O on civilian dress which states that you weapon should not be exposed. as far as the vest goes, the order was probably written before vests were mandatory. understandably, working in ghetto districts, the shitheads all know who is the police, regardless of attire, its the slight moment of uncertainty when approaching on foot that gives the appropriately attired tactical officer a slight edge over dude.
This is one of the better ideas that the new sup has come up with! It's a joke how some of you guys dress! A Tact or Gang Officer are to be low to no visibility at all! I've been in this game for a while. And if this is Landscape Lights
true, good! Don't be scared. And you are complaining!
i guarantee this post gets a lot of hate replies, unfortunetly that is to be expected from today's CPD. a lot of commentators on this site complain that we never stick together when it comes to contract and the whole mess of other issues facing this department. i have under 10 but over 5 years on, i do not pretend to know everything about this job. as a matter of fact an older and wiser copper than me once told me that i you should go into each tour wanting to learn something new and on most days i try. not a single person on this job came on and knew it all, had time on, or didn't step on their dicks (sorry ladies) at least once or twice. most of us came on this job eager (although nieve)to do this job and do it well. the problem i have is with many people on this site anonymously calling people hair gels as if what they wear on their head has anything to do with how they police. your right, its awful that they are eager and that they want to work. i dont understand why coppers bash other coppers. is it jealousy? anger? mind your own career. do what YOU want and are comfortable doing. instead of being united against 9.5, or McBullshit people sit here on the internet, and anonymously insult each other. IMO those are the most childish people on this job. sit in your basement after your tours and waste your time slinging shit at other coppers. why not go and enjoy those few precious minutes with your family. i work in a busy south side district (ya i know sucks for me) but those "hair gels" show up to assist me every time i am on a stop, or a domestic or any other job, which is more than i can say for the burned out boys and gals who have turned into medical roll abusing dogs on this job. dont get me wrong, i believe that if you have put in your time you have earned the respect and the right to sit in the hole all day/night, but while you do, the "hair gels" you so commonly refer to are doing all the things that you older and wiser boys and gals used to enjoy doing. dont forget that dude doesnt care what you are wearing in your hair. dude hates the police equally and shoots at, screams at and gets into fights with old timers and hair gels alike every day. we are all on the same team. those hair gels risk their lives every day too. we all bleed the same color, whether its blood red or CPD blue. when it comes to unity IMHO its bullshit like this that starts the divisiveness within the department starting with the younger guys and at a time when we need each other more than ever. i dont expect my rant to mean anything to most of you, im sure most of you are thinking "shut up kid and get back to pushing your beat car" just remember all u KMA heroes, next time you need help or are getting your well earned, over weight and out of shape ass beat by Joe, it might be a "hair gel" that saves your life. then again,you would have to get out of the car first. sorry for the rant SCC. love the site. God Save The CPD, because were proper fucked. let the "kid" and "hairgel" insults fly.
"I am not a hair gel tact guy and yes I am lucky to have a spot, so by no means am I complaining just giving my humble opinion..."
You may not be a "hair jel", but for Christ sake, please don’t ever think working tact is a "spot"!
You bust your ass, get numbers, change your hours and to what reward? Gun-n-gone? Duck days? Roll call at 6**ISH**? Leave after a 3hr detail?
Do you work for a "boss" that will look out for you? I mean seriously look out for you? Your Sgt? The Lt? The Cmdr?
Or will they be like every other "boss" that out there and say that they will look out for you, but when shit hits the fan, they won’t even call you to see how you are doing or if you need anything? The same boss that will yell at you when the numbers are down.
You put yourself out there in jeopardy of getting more CR's, contact with the police hating IPRA, Lawsuits, Punitive Damages... Oh, let someone speak up and give the bullshit line about: "If I’m not doing anything wrong, I have nothing to worry about"... Ok, keep believing that crap!
I HAD more that 15 years working Tact or on Gang teams somewhere in A1 or A2, and the best thing I ever did was go back to the watch. Tact or Gang teams will never change, never go back to “the way it used to be”. EVER! Why? The answer is simple, because when someone gets smart enough, or sick enough of all the bullshit, they leave, and some other sucker with something to prove, or dumb enough to believe the bullshit will take that cops place.
Remember, “there’s a sucker born every minute!”
Has anyone told him about the officer killed because the offender claims he didnt know he was the police? It happened in 4 a few years back.
Silly,silly....just silly...
Heard the same thing from my Sgt. My question is about the general order that says our name and star must be visible at all times. Until this is changed, don't hide your gear. If something happens, they can just throw you under the bus for disobeying a general order.
Um, that IS the point of "civilian dress".......to appear as a civilian. Especially during this time of the year. I may not necessarily fit in around the neighborhoods I work, but wearing a hat and putting my hood up can buy me the few extra seconds I need before Im called out to do what I have to do. That is the entire point behind it. If you want to wear an exposed vest that says "police" on the back, and a full duty rig, do so in uniform. The watch can use the help, because you are no less conspicuous in blue jeans or 5.11 pants. The purpose of CD is to be functional, not comfortable. Oh,and I have less than 10 years on, but this seems like a hairgel thing to me. I remember when tact guys used to look like tact guys. Nowadays tact guys look like frat boys and sorority girls pretending to be tact guys.
-signed, a CD officer who covers up
Do they want to see the scars I have from diving over a fence because I was chasing an offender and cut through a yard and the owner let their German Shepard loose on me. The owner apologized several times but said he did not know I was the POLICE. Now I have it on the back of my vest.
Hey Da Rahmo "Have you evr seen a person killed? Stabbed to death by a knife or a 3 year old raped by a family member? The police see the worst of society and still try to function in society and lead a normal life. Dont try to walk in your uncles shoes. I am sure he saw things that still haunt him today. You cannot develope the RMD syndrome. You never had the police around to order food to pick up on 31st street as a kid or the police around to wipe your dogs A__ before it comes into the house as Da Mayo. Remember the CPD is a unique profession!!!
i totally agree. McDoofess has no clue. God, does this guy ever stop coming up with bad ideas.
I remember the threats of letting the recruit classes being terminated by reverse seniority.
It may well happen again so that Rahm will show the taxpayers he needs more money.
Just got my latest tax bill, every single line has an increase on it and Rahm will say it was caused by those agencies with taxing authority and not by him directly!
Yep, keep voting Democratic?????
If you feel you're given an order that is unsafe then DON'T follow it. Police 101, officer safety comes first. You work the street not McDumbass or McThinks-he-knows-it-all
I hate to give a 'back in my tact days' post here, but I will. When we needed to be 'undercover' for special assignments, we stripped down to bare minimum equipment, no gun belts, weapons worn in inside-
the-pants holsters, no vest or worn under a slightly
oversized shirt, etc. Not everyone on the team,
just the principals involved in whatever the assignment
was, with our Sgt. in full knowledge of what we were
doing. Other members of the team, acting in an
enforcement capacity, stayed fully dressed for
battle. Most of the time, doing this is impractical.
Although your other district personnel may well
recognize you, it's bad to take the chance that
outside units, responding to 10-1s and in progress
calls, will know who the hell you are, and you THEM.
i would hate to be the one to make that mistake
and fire on one of our own, or have it happen to
me. And this does happen in NYC, and usually
occurs a few times per year. Usually, the officer
who is injured and/or killed is a minority officer.
If you think black officers aren't showing much
interest in working tact now, wait and see how
many will bail under these proposed new rules
of engagement being allegedly proposed by
McNutty. My opinion, he should leave the
heavy lifting undercover work to be done by
officers from OCD and/or the Detective div.
as needed, and leave the tact teams alone with
regard to their equipment standards. Without
proper training, and the way things jump off
in the neighborhoods now, this New York way
of doing things will be a disaster here.
I'm not a tact hater actually was on it for years until I got sick of the volunteery hour and day off changes. Tact is a position you volunteer for and are free to leave any time so if you truly feel that strongly about your safety, take control of the situation.
If they're in unmarked cars, but the bad guys see them coming anyway, seriously, what is the point of having them in plain clothes? Especially in plain clothes withouth duty belts? Let them drive unmarked cars but put them in uniform. I have to say, I agree--either they are truly covert, or put them in blue.
Just sayin'.
do like cicero use impounded cars that r in good condition with keys.
BUT THAT WOULD BE COMPLICATED BECAUSE NOBODY WOULD WANT TO BUY ONE OF THOSE 50$ LIGHTS THEY SELL ONLINE TO SECURITY GAURDS.
shame on all you "tact guys" who would ever compromise your safety because some boss tells you !!! tell them you are going to wear the proper equipment and have your weapon in a three point retention holster per G.O. please never ever compromise your safety to wear a t-shirt, blue jeans and a backwards baseball hat just to look cool.
I agree with McGruff on this. Perhaps someone can explain to me the purpose in taking a guy and putting him on tac (which is supposed to b a semi-investigative unit) and then watch him as he trades his blue uniform for a uniform of blue jeans,exposed vest and gunbelt and baseball cap on backwards, all of which btw, violate department orders. He might as well just stay in the blue uniform.
And to the guy that said everybody knows who the police are when a couple of white guys jump out of an unmarked in the ghetto, then I guess that there is no reason for them to be in plainclothes then based upon your reasoning.
When tac teams where first established many years ago, they were all in plainclothes with weapons and gear hidden. As it should be. They didn't strut around looking like peacocks with all their gear exposed. These guys today look lke a bunch of goofs with all thir stuff in full view.
How many Chicago coppers have been killed by friendly fire? None! How many NYPD? A couple at least.
How many moms/dads/sisters/brothers
lives on this job are worth putting some gang banger in jail for a short time for dope?
I'll make it easy for you Garry. Again, none. Not one. The judges have turned the Cook County court system into a joke. You want to know why coppers aren't motivated? Start there.
If this is true, it is a really bad move.
For one, officer safety! There is a reason why this equipment is necessary and why we were trained in its use.
Second: first question asked by a shit-bag, or their family's attorney at a shooting trial or wrongful death: did the person identify themselves as the police, or did you know they were the police? Kind of hard to make this stick when they are making you hide the fact that you are!
I am also a tact guy ,but not a hairgel tact guy. I got a kick out of the idea of blending in with the general public. The goofs running this department mustn't realize that when the zone impliments a backlog and there are priority 1a jobs ie. domestics and no beat or rapid response car is available the tact unit is called upon to clear that job. Ooops I guess my covers was blown when I walked into dudes house and quelled his disturbance over the link card.
The only thing concealing our identity will give defense attorneys an out for their clients. "Gee, I didn't know who those guys were when I shot at them". Doesn't matter what color the cops are. Juries sometimes need only a little doubt to go against the police. The makeup of a lot of juries today are not pro police. Always remember..."If the gloves don't fit...Don't convict!".
On that note. . . .
RIP Larry Vincent, 002nd District
http://www.odmp.org/officer/13670-police-officer-larry-j-vincent
Friendly fire, sadly.
Tact is not a mandatory assignment. If you disagree with the dress code, pick a watch. If you dress in plain clothes there are advantages and disadvantages. Learn them and adapt to them.
I was on tac for years and always covered up my gear, it wasn't that difficult. The best part about it was most CIVILIANS didnt know who I was, and that had a distinct advantage. I wouldn't cry in my frosted mini wheats for those 99% that like to roll up the edge of thier t-shirts and impress the high school girls or feel cheated when you have to pay for your coffee. Look hard within yourselves, and try to find that little bit of common sense you have not used in a long time.
goes back to him not wanting ANY of us to have the outside vest covers. He just doesnt like "the way they look" He wants to make everything like new York, someone should send that arrogant east coast prick back where he came from
you watch, they'll come up with some bullshit like "color of the day". Thats when you cargo pants wearing dudes gotta have a specific color so us uniformed guys can "recognize" you in your gangster wear.
2 officers were shot in 011 this summer. Both in uniform. Shithead released. Stop making excuses. The public hates you no matter what your wearing or doing. Most officer related shootings occur to those in uniform.... Stop hitting the snooze button and wake up
do nothing
I have 25+ on and have worked tact as a P.O.. and as a Sgt. I had a great team the camaraderie was fantastic (reminded me of the camaraderie from rotating shifts)!
But keep in mind, tact is a numbers-driven assignment. Always has been, always will be. When the end of a period comes, or your Commander is called down to an accountability meeting, all they're worried about is your total number of arrests,contact cards, etc. With the exception of clearing up a robbery or burglary pattern, or a major arrest, the question always comes down to total arrests.
If GSpot is looking for tact to do real undercover work, it sounds like he'll next be thinning the herd at narcotics and other units where UCO are prevalent.
To those of you who may choose to work in a more undercover role, PLEASE BE CAREFUL! It's a very dangerous way to Police.
I think most people know who the unmarked cars are by the license plate. Esp the gang bangers.
Problem solved , require tactical officers to wear the uniform . Most look ridiculous in blue jeans , 32 guns , 2 sets of cuffs , wearing t shirts with a black vest cover and star dangling from a chain worn around their neck . I forgot baseball cap worn backwards .
Bring back the hoodies!!!
I worked tact in the what you others call the ghetto for five years. I was trained by old school tact guys who you wouldn't know was the police unless you saw them in the station. That is how tact is suppose to be. All you five years in under po's who weren't even trained right for a beat car need to listen and watch officers with experience. As for accidentually shooting an officer , then every officer should know there district tact officers and pay attention to the radio when the dispatcher says civilian dress responding. Vests in the outside totally stupid!!! If your that afraid then f'n quit!!!
Why are we concerned with attire. We still have 25 Lts responsible for 3 sgts ea. And another 5 area Lts responsible for 2 sgts. And 25 sgts running part time caps. Wtf, concerned about clothes, what happened to Hillards recommendation to put the officers in dists and uniforms, more police presence not less .
well, ummmmm.. hillard is not the supt. And your concerned about 25 Lts on this job? Really? 25 people who are already Lts? Who gives a f*ck about that!!!! Are you bitter because you didnt make Lt or something? god, some people on this job are complete tools. Go find something else to bitch about... For a guy like you, im sure that wont be hard to do.
SouthSide 1st Watch said...
i guarantee this post gets a lot of hate replies, unfortunetly that is to be expected from today's CPD. then again,you would have to get out of the car first. sorry for the rant SCC. love the site. God Save The CPD, because were proper fucked. let the "kid" and "hairgel" insults fly.
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I see your point, however, my experiences and observations show me that other officers' dislike for tact and gang goes beyond some type of jealousy regarding their willingness to 'work.'
You want to talk about solidarity? Most tactical guys would arrest their own mother if it meant them keeping their 'spot.'
Not too long ago a tact officer was dumped from his team after he got off a lengthy stay on the medical due to a legit serious injury. The new tact lt. needed a sacrificial lamb and this officer wasn't juice heavy so the Lt. had him dumped, citing his poor stats. Keep in mind, like I just wrote, he was on the medical for several months because of a legit injury.
Did his fellow teammates, whom referred to this officer as a friend do anything to protest? Noooooooooooo. They went out and worked harder! Sadly this is just one example of how sheepish these teams can be. You are right, most of them bust their asses, work shitty details in the summer, and aren't given the perks like they once were. And for what?
Most of the guys I know on these teams are some tough badasses, but they let their sgts., lt, walk all over them. This is just my observation from the one district I worked in in the last 11 years. Maybe things are different in other districts?
You may not be a "hair jel", but for Christ sake, please don’t ever think working tact is a "spot"!
You bust your ass, get numbers, change your hours and to what reward? Gun-n-gone? Duck days? Roll call at 6**ISH**? Leave after a 3hr detail?
Do you work for a "boss" that will look out for you? I mean seriously look out for you? Your Sgt? The Lt? The Cmdr?
Ive been on the job now for 17 years and came back to tac about 4 years ago just after the "slowdown" and have kept myself out of trouble... more so than on the watch. I have a great sgt, great team and unlike the watch I can pick what trouble I want to get in. you say that we "bust our ass"?? hahahah, yeah right. The tac sgts and Lt all know whats up. They know its all numbers and nonsense and I have no problem with that. I choose who I want to stop everyday. I get that one bagger, trespass, dopw or whatever. I get the cb number and am done. Maybe once a month or so Ill run in that decent pinch but its not because im goin out "hard charging". In the past four years in tac ive been getting at least one head a day. Most of the time its for B.s. But, in those four years I have not gotten one single Cr number or lawsuit. The watch you get sent into jobs and dont have a choice in the situations you get put into. Workin tac you can tell if something is gonna be a problem.. In this day and age I have no problem saying ehhh, Ill go for the easier arrest and less drama. You can call us all tac superstars or sell outs for bluejeans or whatever your calling tac guys these days but I dont give a fu*k. If I stay out of trouble like ive been doing I dont need to worry about a sgt or Lt taking my back. All I know is I get cut early, it can work around my schedule and is alot less stress and drama than working a beat car. im gonna retire in 9 years, If I can keep this "spot" then I will. Sure its not the same as when I worked tac back in the 90s but hey it could always be worse. Tac isnt always about goin out and tryin to be a superhero...that sh*t doesnt work. You make it work for you. Keep them happy with the nonsense number a day, contact cards and a dispersal and they will leave you alone for ever.
just go to Area 1 and 2....you don't have a clue who the police are on these tact teams...pants sagging, hair long in pony tails or dreads. Have a little dignity.
Its hard to hide a level 3 holster and way too unsafe working without one.
us older guys do not put hair gel on their head..........we use BRYLCREEM.............. a little dab will do y............a.lmao.
Tact/Gangs is really an outdated concept. The Dept should be going for a more Military-bearing look, with some 4 man Anti Crime Cars up, and ready, like Detroit used with the "Big 4" decades ago. They responded to all hot calls, and all carried 12 guage shotguns, 357 Magnums, and/or 9mm-.45's, and DID foil many crimes, and sent several Felons to the Great Welfare State in the Sky. These young white guys running around thinking they're "Undercover" is totally, 100% LAUGHABLE.
p.s. all holsters should be of the snatch-proof, Security style, no more Miami Vice Shoulder holsters, snubs and autos stuck in the pants belt unsecured, handguns in desk drawers and purses, etc. I really DON'T feel like getting shot with one of my fellow officers guns, due to their carelessness, lack of weapon security, trying to be like TV/Movie Cops, etc. The jobs unsafe enough without having to worry about this.
Tact is pretty much an outdated concept.
Let me let you all in on a little secret, per G.O. and the uniform regulations, plainclothes officers are to wear "conservative business attire" and there weapon is to worn in a manner that it is NOT exposed. Blue jeans are not to be worn unless authorized by the commanding officer. This is not a new rule, it has been in place for over 20 years. Back in the day there was a female inspector who would routinely write up tact guys for not following the rule. Tactical teams are supposed to be the guys who are highly skilled in their profession, able to solicit information on emerging crime trends and with the ability to know the key players in their respective districts. These officers could do this work in plainclothes as easily as in uniform. Wearing c/d does not make you a good police officer, but if you are a good police officer you are afforded the opportunity to wear plainclothes. If you are citing a safety issue in wearing c/d versus your uniform, then you shouldn't be in c/d at all. Most people in c/d now are more recognizable as the police as the guys who are actually wearing what is supposed to be some semblance of a uniform. The operative word here is TACTICAL. Tactical in the manner that you blend in with your environment and are able to gather information and intel, and the ability to move about the area going relatively unnoticed. There is nothing "tactical" about wearing jeans and a tshirt covered by a vest carrier with a giant POLICE patch on the back, while wearing a thigh rig drop holster and MKIX oc sprayer. So, while I am not a big fan of McLovins, I must say I agree with Tact being more "tactical."
P.S. For those of you using the excuse that the defense is going to use this against us in a trial of a cop killer, guess what, Alex Valadez's killer was not convicted of murder of the police, he was convicted of first degree murder. They didn't charge him with murder of the police because Alex was in c/d, albeit in a vest carrier that said POLICE on the back. So your arguement is moot, because they already showed it doesn't matter.
One poster above was correct. You dress down when appropriate. Dude knows who is who especially when we are all driving Crowns, Impalas, or Tahoes with M plates. Until tact and gang teams have vehicles with soft plates, it doesn't really matter what you are wearing.
If the situation presents itself, where you are going to try and walk up on someone, then you dress down as stated above.
Keep voting democrat sounds really stupid on a forum about city stuff...and Chicago elections are non partisan. Even if they were, was there some "republican" that ran for mayor or many of these other offices you guys complain about? If you gotta complain, whatever, but at least complain like you have an idea what you're talking about. If you're still trapped thinking one party has more idiots than the rest you're still a bit of a stooge IMO. Both parties look like Ringling Brothers from where I sit, no disrespect to the animals who work for that fine circus.
AAhhhh shucks!!!!!!
What about the hair gel? OMG can we keep it? Otherwise I'm going back to the watch.
IM AN OLD Tact guy, when your in the car the dumbass Sup isn't with you. When pookie says "i didn't know he was the police" he isn't with you. The advantage you gain by hiding your vest & rig isn't worth it. Any p.o. who does not know you might thing your "a person with a gun" and you provide a built in excuse in court. Watch out for yourself, your family and other officers. Don't let this idiot get you hurt or killed, because of his over inflated ego! There is nothing wrong with CD if that's what you want. There is something wrong with getting hurt or killed! He needs to lead by example, go to a bad Dist and show everyone how its done! When he gets jumped or shot at he can talk to us. Until then he's just a little man with a big ass mouth! Who does he think patrolmen are? Commander Chris Fletcher? We wont take his shit! Take that to compstat pole smoker!
That's how tact was back in the day. When the perks of being tact stopped, we all jumped to units or the watch. Now 2 to 5 year wonders make up tact and set the ridiculous dress standard.
One thing if you please.
Either call it "Tac" or use the full word "Tactical."
Tact means: a keen sense of what to do or say in order to maintain good relations with others or avoid offense.
Uniform and Property U04-01-02
Personal Appearance, Uniform / Citizen's Dress and Equipment Specifications
Section XI, A
2. When required or as directed by supervisory personnel, the prescribed star and/or photo identification card will be worn on outer garments. When in a Department facility, the identification card will be worn such that the member is readily identified.
3. Command staff officers may modify, in writing, the provisions of citizen's dress requirements whenever a member's duty assignment so requires.
You don't have to wear items that say "POLICE" or have your star and/or id exposed at all times - you need only show them when they are requested by a supervisor or a citizen.
NYPD has "the color of the day". This is what plainclothes guys wear there that visibly id's them as the police.
McMouth strikes again- what a tool!
I'm a Tact guy who covers his vest. I understand the risk. I've had three police officers draw their weapons at me. One was a DC at PR fest a few years back. I've also had a few gang bangers point guns at me and have been in a shooting. I wouldn't suggest that all Tact personal cover their vest, it's just my choice. I do use a duty rig because it's the only belt I can put a safe holster on. I don't think anyone should do what a white shirt, who sits in a office most of the day, says about safety. We are on the streets everyday and know what is safe and not safe. No need for 35th and Michigan to tell us how to be the police.
I've got an idea!!! How about he makes the tact guys do important police work or does he want them to be in civilian clothing to make it even easier to get those all important felony drinkers, pissers and beggers?
To: 10/04/2011 08:37:00 AM
How the hell is that friendly fire?
When I retire I'm opening a store called "Tact Guys." All I'll sell is blue jeans, gym shoes and baseball hats. I'll make a fortune.
10/04/2011 01:06:00 AM
Great post!
I am also a tact guy ,but not a hairgel tact guy. I got a kick out of the idea of blending in with the general public. The goofs running this department mustn't realize that when the zone impliments a backlog and there are priority 1a jobs ie. domestics and no beat or rapid response car is available the tact unit is called upon to clear that job. Ooops I guess my covers was blown when I walked into dudes house and quelled his disturbance over the link card.
10/04/2011 08:27:00
Lol and when was the last time a tac guys handled a domestic. You must be shitting me. You fucks can't even handle paper on your on-view bullshit. Squad we can't handle any jobs we are on " a secret mission blowing out Sgt. and Lt." hold us down the rest of the tour.
Let me let you all in on a little secret, per G.O. and the uniform regulations, plainclothes officers are to wear "conservative business attire" and there weapon is to worn in a manner that it is NOT exposed. Blue jeans are not to be worn unless authorized by the commanding officer. This is not a new rule, it has been in place for over 20 years.
yeah, well I was on a tac team from 79-85. We wore blue jeans and mustaches.. thats it and thats all. Take your G.O and stick it up your a@@. Inspectors didnt give a sh*t what we did because we got the job done. In fact, nobody gave a sh*t what tac teams did. we wore a belt with a revolver in it or a shoulder holster, hand cuffs in our pocket along with a couple of speed loaders and a jacket covering it. I agree with the sup, tac guys dont need all the stuff they are wearing these days.
To: 10/04/2011 08:37:00 AM
How the hell is that friendly fire?
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It was. And he wasn't the only one, either.
http://www.odmp.org/officer/2180-police-officer-dorelle-c-brandon
My point is this. That it has happened in Chicago. It is not an NYPD issue, alone. It will happen again, too. Stay safe. Holler "PO-LICE" real loudly, when you walk into that abando.
BT/DT said...
You must be a fucking idiot. Do you hang your shit stained underwear out on the line in the yard for the neighbors to see? Then why give anyone any ammunition as to what really transpires on this police department. Do you have any idea who reads this blog? You post like there are only other police officers reading this blog. Get a fucking clue you idiot.
TO: 10/04/2011 11:01:00 AM
FROM: the police
You are just as dumb as BT/DT said... read the comment I left for him asshat.
I have 25 plus years and worked many years in uniform and currently in soft clothes. The idea of soft clothes is not to be "under cover," instead the belief is people are more likely to speak with an officer in soft clothes the one in uniform.
The "old days" are just that, the old days. Vest were not mandatory and holsters were not the safety holsters of today.
The bottom line is this, if even just once an officer mistakenly shoots another officer because of his clothing it will be a tragedy beyond measure for all involved. See the links below for three recent examples from the east coast where the Supt is from...
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-05-29/justice/ny.officer.killed_1_police-officer-police-commissioner-raymond-kelly-sergeant-and-two-officers?_s=PM:CRIME
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-03-13/news/29142968_1_police-commissioner-lawrence-mulvey-cop-friendly-fire-incident
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-01-12/news/bs-md-police-plainclothes-ban-20110112_1_review-of-police-shooting-police-officer-plainclothes
One Serpico unit and three snipers for each; but first install the crematoriams at the forensic institute to keep Perrytwinkle happy.
Until tact and gang teams have vehicles with soft plates, it doesn't really matter what you are wearing.
temp tags?
• Disguise...like wearing sandals/Fred Flinstone flip-flops?
Seen it.
• How about dressing up doofus's as Sgt's/Lt's/Capt's ....?
Already doing it.
• If Big Bird is gone, why can't Henny Penny wear a chicken suit?
• Anti Crime Task Force...isn't that CeaseFire ?
• And what's the deal with 4 jump out boy tact guys bringing in one street corner drunken joe and calling that "tactical" ?
• Our final contract raise is coming Jan 1st, how's that 1% going to 'inspire' you, to dress up and play police any more than you already do, only with LESS backup ?
Wear your uniform then. You are either in plain clothes or not?
our 704 guys have been issued military type kevlar flak jackets & full kevlar helmets, that they will be required to wear.
Anyone who reads these comments has to wonder, if officers are so afraid of not being easily identifiable as POLICE why not just wear C.P.D. uniform so there is no misunderstanding? Officers out there NOT crying officer safety and do a good job concealing their identity among the mindless sheep stay safe!
The bad part is anybody can now shoot a police officer and use the excuse they didn't know. Plus the fact that is is dangerous from the fact it can cause a police officer to be shot by friendly fire if you don't know who is who. People may disagree and say civilian dress should have nothing distinuishing them as police, but when all hell is breaking loose and you are in a shooting situation, you have to be able to distinguish the police from the offenders. It is a safety issue. All you need is one dispatcher who does not identify civilian dress units are resonding and it could turn ugly. They better make damn sure there is some way to identify the police officers. Otherwise it is a tragedy waiting to happen. This guy ever think about what he is doing. It is hard enough to identify the guys from narcotics, but they usually have enough of each other to make sure any car rolling up knows who is who. But if you are just dealing with 2 PO's, it may be a major problem.
The order on civilian dress is geared toward the detevtives who are required to wear business attire i.e. dress pants, shirt, tie and sport coat. This order really never applied to the tact teams.
Plain and simple, if this causes one PO to shoot and kill another one by friendly fire, it is not worth it. The officer involved will be haunted by this for the rest of their lives and the next time may cause them to be killed because they hesitated. The comment stating every PO should know the people assigned to the Tact team, but how many time outside units respond to calls. They don't know the people. Unless there is someway to readily identify the Tact people, it can get ugly quick. Narcotics has people in place who can be identified, to back up their undercover people. But unless you have that in place with the districts it is a truly fucked up idea.
Anonymous said...
BT/DT said...
You must be a fucking idiot. Do you hang your shit stained underwear out on the line in the yard for the neighbors to see? Then why give anyone any ammunition as to what really transpires on this police department. Do you have any idea who reads this blog? You post like there are only other police officers reading this blog. Get a fucking clue you idiot.
10/04/2011 07:30:00 PM
Anonymous said...
TO: 10/04/2011 11:01:00 AM
FROM: the police
You are just as dumb as BT/DT said... read the comment I left for him asshat.
10/04/2011 07:39:00 PM
OUCH!!!!
The truth must hurt, "boss". Someone get thier feathers ruffled?
I know who reads this blog: Cop, media scum, bottomfeeder lawyer scum, citizen, family, gangbanger, city hall, and everything in between. I also know what gets posted: Rumor, truth, flat out bullshit, and stuff in between.
Wow, for you to get yout thong in a twist about what anyone posts here, damn, man... You might need to chill the fuck out a little. Go get a blow job, or give one, what ever floats your boat. Damn, "boss"; RELAX! deap clensing breath...
I love some of the comments where the officer states he will refuse to obey orders from a superior about dress . Really? We will see when the time comes if you really do what you say.Yes, dress codes for tact officers really have not changed in mnay years, just not enforced. That can change any time. If you do not agree, go back into uniform. You will not be missed. Times changes. management styles change, Policing techniques change.It might upset some people, but change can be hard. But, when your boss wants you to do something, well, you just have to. The bitter name calling by some when they disagree with their fellow officers does no one any good. You need solidarity on the important issues, not argue on something so trivial as what a tactical officer wears or what their assignments might be.
Tactical unit should be put back in uniform and reduced to 6 man teams . The watch could use the extra 12 agressive officers in a beat car. Tactical Lt. should be eliminated , don't need an lt for 2 sgts .
But if you are not clean shaving you will get SPARED!
Hate to say it. But MCfly is right.
Nothing applies to tactical teams .
Detectives work a full shift , are held accountible for follow up investigations , dress like jr. executives .
Tac men look like thugs with black vest covers , work short hours , long roll calls and longer lunches , bring in drinkers , small narco arrests , nothin a beat officer can't do.
Tactical unit should be put back in uniform and reduced to 6 man teams . The watch could use the extra 12 agressive officers in a beat car. Tactical Lt. should be eliminated , don't need an lt for 2 sgts .
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You are a genius!
Couldn't agree more.
Get Rid of Tact Lt. and thats 25 take home cars savings i have yet seen a tact lt. come in once they are done
One thing if you please.
Either call it "Tac" or use the full word "Tactical."
Tact means: a keen sense of what to do or say in order to maintain good relations with others or avoid offense.
10/04/2011 04:04:00
WOW! This is coming from one very petty individual. Who really cares how someone spells the common abbreviation?
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