Whoops Again
Rumor or fact?
- there was an escape from 008 lockup about 0045 hours. one p.o. took a restroom break and second p.o. was escorting arrestee into cell when arrestee over powered p.o. taking the master key to all exit doors for lockup the officer was then locked in a cell. p.o. returns and discovered partner locked in cell.
At the very least, out number the prisoner. That way someone can call for help if it looks like 2-on-1 isn't working. Be careful boys and girls, especially if they're attacking us in our backyard.
UPDATE: Additional info - comments are claiming this was a mis-bonding issue. If true, it sure makes the station supervisor look overworked. Maybe if we had a Desk Sergeant, like New York?
Labels: from the comments, safety issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
50 Comments:
Fact. they mentioned it on zone 6 so units in 007/008/CW could be on the lookout. hope nobody takes time for this.
As long as the coppers weren't hurt, who gives a fuck.
Consider it a streaming video unlike any other. And be prepared to have to put a bit more effort into controlling prisoners in the future - particularly THIS jagoff when you run into him again.
Ain't the first time this has happened and it certainly won't be the last.
so, we gotta change all the locks now?
hahahaahahhaa, no this isnt even close to what happened. He was released and bonded out even went to the front and collected his paperwork. It was a bonding issue and got all screwed up due to the new "bonding officer" crap. Dude signed his bond slip etc and was released incident free. I really dont see this guy getting charged if they even catch him anyway... Its not his fault he was let go, it was a paperwork error. only in chicago can a rumor take legs like this.
No no no, bonded wrong guy , this is a result of po as bonding officer, this is going to happen again and again http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redundancy_(engineering) without a desk sergeant and a w/c will not be two people to check for mistakes.... It's called redundancy
nice job
THE ARRESTEE HAD TO BE FROM THE EAST END. I would find it hard to believe anyone from the 10 sector would be in lock up to do that.... Bwah ha ha ha!
That was a joke! Anyway, keep on Policing the home front. I'll put you in for an Honorable if you find the idiots "fly-dumping" the X-mas trees around the 10 Sector on peoples porches. Post the info and SS# for your impound tow and we will be in touch.
thats not what happened. they bonded the wrong guy. felony shoplifter got bonded and the other shitbag sat for a while. no harm done.not much of an escape if you ask me.
bobby hats and billy clubs.
Hey good thing we are revamping our entire management fleet maybe the xo's or the lt at the front desk can watch the station cameras to look for stuff like this...an in other news since G8 and nato is around the corner all inspectors have been instructed to make sure our pants dont have snow at the bottom of them and that we are well groomed. Maybe a clean appearance might scare off the riot and looters at the summit!
Seems to be a big increase of arrestees pulling these kind of stunts. Bad guys/gals are not afraid of the police at all anymore. Keep a close eye on these goofs. They just don't care what they do to you.
the two guys had the same last name and it was not the bonding officers fault. Lockup Keeper
Bonded out felon??? You gonna take a day or 3 for that one. Claim ignorance when the SPAR comes down. You were never trained on this type of shit, right officer
Thats why there were checks and balances put in place by people much smarter then those in charge today. It makes sense to have more than one set of eyes looking over things like arrest reports, inventories, etc.
I was a former Desk Sergeant, always had a desk officer do the bonds if I was involved in other issues, but always checked to make sure the right person was released. caught several mistakes and never had an escape in my 2 years as Desk Sgt. We are going to see more and more of this because you took the experience out of the equasion. This is all about the benjamins for Rham and Mac, not out safety or well being. Know that.
this proves a point that Desk Sgt does all the work and runs the watch , get rid of merit XO , assign Lt to an area to cover a radio zone and let the real Boss of patrol ,Sgt rank , run the watch
Master lockup key? Ok I'm assuming we're referring to lockup keepers then because as a p.o. I have never had a "master lockup key"
Speaking of 008, has anyone else had some assholes dump a Christmas tree of their front porch.
Was it Mr Hankey the Christmas Poo?
I heard he escaped using that old "Brady Bunch" method where he tied his clothes to his boot and got the master key.
They should install taint locks in all the cells...
Procedure:
once the offender is processed, you make him/her sit on a smaller version of a bear trap. The trap is mounted to the bench in the holding cell. The prisoner is placed on the bench, where the trap would sit precisely between the genitals and anus hole. Once the prisoner is placed, the trap will close and apply slight pressure to the taint per use of force model. If the prisoner tries to get up, more pressure would be applied.
This would solve all problems and possible escapes in lock up. Just something to think about.
Englewood style
This is fact. I heard that fast Eddie was dropping a deuce while Vinny the wheel was looking at his biceps when the offender leaped over his back grabbing his neck and putting him in the sleeper move before making good his escape. Good news is a clean wipe was made by fast eddie.
So... The understanding is that McGruff is beside himself over this whole thing. He thought that because a guy was a "Chief" he'd know WTF he was talking about. Maybe he should have found out how Murphy became that chief.
Life is funny the Chicago way.
Please stop calling the position of Watch Commander the Station Supervisor. It gives credence and even a miniscule level of recognition to the City’s actions and agrees their nonsensical changes are acceptable. The person in charge of the watch at any-given time, whether a sergeant or lieutenant is the WATCH COMMANDER – PERIOD! The City/Department, their fools and incompetent purveyors of malfeasance can call a zebra a discolored small horse, but it is still a zebra. I won’t disrespect the position. Yes some of the bosses sitting there are jackasses sometimes, but the bigger picture is that the City/Department is clamoring on ways to screw the sworn members of the Department, take away everything they possibly can and get all of us to accept the idea that we will be doing what they want, when they want it and do it without compensation. I will always call him or her the Watch Commander. Stop calling them station supervisors; it’s like calling each other roving security guards.
sounds like the goofs i worked with over there in 81 to 90,constant backbiting, whos clout was bigger,i dont want to work east of kedzie, blah blah blah.some things never change, real cops they were not.
It sounds like the new system is a smashing success!
Wrong guy bonded out? Didn't they write his cb # with a black marker on his hand?
Under staffing not the problem.
signed : GMac
I have worked lockup dozens of times. In 025 we had a prisoner beat the living shit out of a detention aide a few years ago. There were four people working that day and you know how many escorted him to his cell? Only one, the detention aide. BTW, the asshole was in for burglary and aggravated battery to p.o. Hello anyone there? The prisoner beat the shit out of the detention aide and then attempted to escape. But a p.o. and three detention aides caught him.
USE COMMON FUCKING SENSE PEOPLE! No matter what, always outnumber the bad guy so they won't even think about hurting you.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
No no no, bonded wrong guy , this is a result of po as bonding officer, this is going to happen again and again http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redundancy_(engineering) without a desk sergeant and a w/c will not be two people to check for mistakes.... It's called redundancy
1/12/2012 01:42:00 AM
Very good point. There is a reason why we have a second person look over the paper work one more time. There is a reason why the bond desk person takes their time. So stupid shit like this doesn't happen! But alas we are too stupid and don't know shit. Only the higher ups know how to do our jobs.
so someone screwed up. big deal. it is not the first time someone got released by mistake and won't be the last time.
someone should probably get a few days off and its over.
Incompetence is redefined as "overworked".
Beautiful.
yes it was a bonding issue. This whole bonding officer thing is ridiculous. Why not just leave things alone!
This is fact. I heard that fast Eddie was dropping a deuce while Vinny the wheel was looking at his biceps when the offender leaped over his back grabbing his neck and putting him in the sleeper move before making good his escape. Good news is a clean wipe was made by fast eddie.
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vinny the wheel just kept mubling st rita, st rita, st rita, mustangs, gotta get to paps, st rita, paps, miller lite, paps, st rita, 1 + 1 equals uhhhhhhhhhhhh, st rita, st rita, mustangs.....
So for the last five or more years when nothing like this happened, but when po's were working as acting desk Sgt, everything was allright. Probably once a day in every district a po was an acting desk sgt, but now all of a sudden we are in a panic because there are no more desk sgts. Without a real desk sgt, this could become an epidemic. I've know many desk men that were alot sharper than the desk sgt
Take time? Escaped prisoner? You better believe they will take time after somebody is in custody it's a whole different story.
Watch Commander is the position said...
Please stop calling the position of Watch Commander the Station Supervisor.
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Sorry kid.
Things change... we don't use Call Boxes anymore.
As long as the check comes in on the 1st and 16th.
wait a minute holmes if the capt /xo watch commander ducked 4 hours everyday , that means the desk sgt was doing all his work
end of story xo/merit captains should be eliminated , most xo's are merit lts and sgts
ya get it , they should be wearing a blue shirt
I am a desk officer who's got a clue and know how to bond the right person out. That being said you need to be thorough and do your due diligence when dealing with the bonding of prisoners. There's something to be said for the system that was in place.You had a desk sgt. and a bidded desk officer as their assistant and both knew the desk job very well and problems were few if any.
In the departments infinite wisdom they've taken an important cog, the desk sgt., out of the equation. They also figure any warm body at the desk can do desk duties. They reap what they sow.
Its too bad the personal alarms don't work in ALL the cells in the new stations. THATS A FACT. The alarms are ultrasound, and if a cell door is completely closed, you may or may not be able to call for help given your proximity to one of the receivers. We did a test of this in our station when it was 1st built, told everyone, showed some city 'management' wrote to/froms, and of course nothing was done. All documentation was, however, saved.
the two guys had the same last name and it was not the bonding officers fault. Lockup Keeper
1/12/2012 05:52:00 AM
Umm, who checks the CB number on dudes hand?? Should be lockup and bonding officer. Unfortunately, bonding officer is just that, its his name on the bond, not the lockup keeper.
He signed his own name so no way he will get charged, he even got another arrestees property and got his money as well!
Sounds like the bonding officer in 008 dropped the ball there....
Escape from Eight. Isnt that a Kurt Russell Movie?
This happened in the Old 015 a few times. Oddly, it seem to occur when this one particular Mutt DA was working? Merely coincidental apparently?
Its a shame someones going to take a hit for this because those desk officers in 008 are always such happy, helpful and modest folks. Examples of pure selflessness they are.
I hope it was the A-Hole who refused to make a report for my wife when her purse was stolen in an office burglary because "it ain't gonna get your stuff back". Or maybe the chain smoking obese drunk hag who tells every walk in "its a civil matter" or "just call your insurance company" while her rolls hang over the chair like a pool liner filled with chicken gravy.
To Watch Commander is the Position at 1/12/2012 11:38:00 AM, please read the (horrible, horrifying) order: it isn't any more. The Watch Commander was responsible for everything that happened within a specific geography. Major fire? Call the watch commander. 501 ODPO? Call the watch commander. Suicide in the lockup? Call the watch commander. (Come to think of it, why would you want to be a watch commander?) Now, no one is in charge. We are a fricking paramilitary organization that is being modeled on an autonomous collective. A supervisor who is untrained and just a half step away (in rank and file terms) from the street officer is being told to act like a captain (2 full steps away). Yeah, not likely. If only we had NYC's model--at least it wouldn't be this!! No one is in charge here.
All the dept had to do was re-define watch commander (call it watch coordinator or something, to skirt the Captain's contract, and designate a LT), and they could have plugged the $ hole of sending lieutenants all around the city to be watch commanders at Capt's pay and often at time and a half. Instead, we have no one in charge at the watch level. Watch the checks being written in the lawsuits a few years from now...
But at least I never have to go to training on another watch. The sgt. who scheduled me can't order me, so he can go.....
"Anonymous said...
Watch Commander is the position said...
Please stop calling the position of Watch Commander the Station Supervisor.
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Sorry kid.
Things change... we don't use Call Boxes anymore.
As long as the check comes in on the 1st and 16th.
1/12/2012 04:58:00 PM"
If you call and ask for the "Watch Commander" you will be connected to the person who leads the Police Officers where I work.
If you ask for the "District Station Supervisor" you better be able to habla Espanol because you will be talking to the Janitor.
I still have my Call Box Key and I still know places to use it.
Anonymous said...
Its too bad the personal alarms don't work in ALL the cells in the new stations. THATS A FACT. The alarms are ultrasound, and if a cell door is completely closed, you may or may not be able to call for help given your proximity to one of the receivers. We did a test of this in our station when it was 1st built, told everyone, showed some city 'management' wrote to/froms, and of course nothing was done. All documentation was, however, saved.
1/12/2012 08:47:00 PM
Those Alarms came from the Daley/Vanecko Electronics Company and are the finest money can buy.
Is there any place where that system works, even if not in Chicago. Document that it does not work daily and that the Lock-up staff requests repair. So when a problem occurs and someone gets hurt, "Why wasn't the alarm sounded.?"
Watch Commander is the position said...
Please stop calling the position of Watch Commander the Station Supervisor. It gives credence and even a miniscule level of recognition to the City’s actions and agrees their nonsensical changes are acceptable. . .
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Son, read yor department directives.
About the same bonding issue happened in the 018 district, the wrong guy was brought up for bond out, for 3 hrs the p.os from lockup knew and finally told the desk sgt at that time, it was too late to track down the guy and the desk sgt took heat for that. I only know, because I knew the desk sgt and he was really upset. But it was not really his fault, he trusted that it was the right guy brought to the front by the lockup personnel.
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