Violence in the Workplace
Once again, rumors from 013.
The District Station Supervisor accused of provoking a sergeant to the point of violence, is once again accused in a CR, this time against a Police Officer.
We seem to recall something from the old OPS about, "Where there's smoke, there's fire" when they investigated brutality beefs. Might the same apply here?
Pretty soon, the entire 013 District is going to be stripped and working at call back because god forbid anyone in this Department take actual action against a lieutenant.
Of course, that will make closing 013 that much easier after the summer if the building is already empty.
The District Station Supervisor accused of provoking a sergeant to the point of violence, is once again accused in a CR, this time against a Police Officer.
We seem to recall something from the old OPS about, "Where there's smoke, there's fire" when they investigated brutality beefs. Might the same apply here?
Pretty soon, the entire 013 District is going to be stripped and working at call back because god forbid anyone in this Department take actual action against a lieutenant.
Of course, that will make closing 013 that much easier after the summer if the building is already empty.
Labels: rumors
posted by SCC at 7:01 AM
123 Comments:
Oh well I guess he can't make the G8 if he is at call back. Actually the sgt may be dumb as a fox. Let's all go to call back .
im lost here can someone explain what's going on in 13?
No CR# Go to the Il Labor board and then a civil lawsuit
I am sure that more than 25 to 30 P0s and Sgts are getting together and filing a complaint of working in a hostile work environment and violence in the workplace against this crazy Lt and the department since the DC is aware of this and other situations and has purposely ignored it in order to defend his old recruit/ classmate and partner from getting in trouble
OT: MFF pleads, I mean begs for officers! The new announcement states that the city is in the process of securing riot gear for the MFF officers and not the normal riot gear that was issued previously in 2002-2003. A special riot gear! And in the process? Announcement also states the the MFF candidates will still have to purchase additional items but does not say what items or how much it will cost the officers. If you are seriously thinking about applying for MFF (which I recommend against!) make sure you know what it's going to cost you! What additional items ate need to be purchased at the officers expense and what happens if the city does not get the "special" riot gear. If the city needs you then they should provide you with adequate equipment . Don't let the city circumvent our contract yet again.
LtS.S. we miss ya! Come back and let's get rid of DS & Gross!
That's almost as bad as 11dubs making verbal threats in the station against another p.o in front of witnesses and nothing ever happened to him.
wtf
Ouch. That isn't good. The abuser needs to have his hands slapped. No reason to abuse those working for you (especially if they are armed).
This Lt refuses to sit at the front desk like the DSS is supposed to and claims that the DC said it was and is ok by him to stay in what used to be the WC's office. Maybe this was the DC's way of making sure that D.S. stay out of trouble Well guess what, it didn't work. Stone continues to terrorize anyone and everyone and as everyone in 13 keeps on course to ignore this goof He builds up more of his anger like a pressure cooker to the point that he will PROVOKE those that he feels he can bully, except he crosses the line physically and THIS TIME he preyed on a P.O. WHO IS NOT A hair gel and wants to be the police and did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to be targeted.
OH yeah, this P.O.S. stone has lost it , and since he sits in the staion supervisors office while the beloved SGT from the 1st incident is at call back, he acts like the obviously career criminal that he is and has the mindset that he has gotten away with everything in his position and continues his bullshit. What next? will he pull his weapon out and attempt to shoot at or inflict harm on one the P.O'S. or even on a civilian that happens to be in the station at the front desk like the one that was there at the time of this incident while having a report made.
This is VERY SERIOUS. The question is not if he will do it again - we all know that he has been this way ( out of control ) for a long time and the department has ignored these valid mumblings about him throughout the years and now its turned to actual VIOLENCE with 2 incidents in a period of a month, BUT RATHER WHEN will he strike and to whom. A police officer is trained to shoot to maim until the threat is gone and guess what? dean stone is a threat to everyone, not only in 013 but to those around him and everyone feels that if he targets them to the point that he will harm them , it would be sad to think that someone would do that to protect themselves when he charges at them. The department needs to really really do something before it gets to that point or before he strikes again and maybe shoots someone or at someone. Thats how everyone feels that he is. So why can't the higher ups or those that can actually take disciplinary action against this individual do or take the measures to ensure the P.O'S safety ? HE's going to explode and when he does the department better hope that they took appropiate action because when it doesn't like they have not in previous incidents, it's really going to be ugly because everyone has been warned this department of what is up with this poor human being that masquerades himself as a police officer ( A Lt ) on top of that one that should lead by example not by VIOLENCE........
O.T. Had the G8 "training" recently. We watched a few videos of other cities getting destroyed and cops fighting, getting hurt and probably sued down the road. Got into a couple half asses formations that confused everyone and will certainly be broken or forgotten when the shit hits the fan. Had more break time and lunch time to fill in the space to take up 8 hours. Everyone in the class including a few bosses were laughing at this joke of a training session. Why the hell did the city decide to host this disaster waiting to happen? We are so unprepared. This city is going to burn and people are going to get hurt or killed. Brothers and sisters in blue we are being led to the slaughter with improper training and lack of equipment. Stay safe and watch each others back. And to Rahm who wants this event I say "Go fuck yourself"
that's ok, captain "lumpy" anderson will straighten out the problems in 013--- we miss the midnite runs down lawrence avenue on the segway....
what did stone j/a do now.
Pretty soon, the entire 013 District is going to be stripped and working at call back because god forbid anyone in this Department take actual action against a lieutenant.
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This comment is ignorent in itself! The district generates the CR which it has in both incidents. IAD investigates the alligations and takes action. At the district level there isn't anything else that can be done. It's called a contract and officers rights.
The District Station Supervisor was not accused in the other CR the Seargent was. The District Station Supervisor is the one who made the allegations.
I thought the district did take action, didn't they initiate the CRs???
Years ago, MANY years ago, the entire third watch in 20, I believe, refused to take the street after roll call because of a jag bag WC. They had enough. The deputy came out. The next day the WC was gone. Never happen today.
Place Dana in a straitjacket while administering his thorazine IV drip. Be sure to pin his little chrome bars on his straitjacket. Keep a ball gag or duct tape handy during his daily counseling sessions.
Sadly his MMPI scores are off the grid, particularly for pyschopathia, schizophrenia and paranoia. At best, possible rehab will be a lifelong endeavor. According to a recent publication of the Haitian Medical Association (HMA), clinical trials In emergencies suggest that the taser can be substituted for shock therapy.
Remember. It's all about "merit".
Well only about 80 are going to the new 12th district despite what they were told of a super bid
Where's the loud mouth jagoffs spouting the go outside & handle it like men?
Mano a Mano right Bonestrokes?
This is TRUE. Case report for Battery/Simple generated as well.
Sniper incident in 010 tonight. Scary. Glad everyone is okay
Karolina and her scumbag attorney Terry Ekl are going to milk the city tit for as much as they can. 2/03/2012 12:38:00 AM
I am no fan of attorneys, by any means, but all they do is present the facts to a jury and the jury rules. Give them the facts to work with, why would they not try to make money? it is the stupid actions of some that hurt others.
Thank you for stating the obvious. I know attorneys serve a purpose. I'm just stating Terry Ekl is an asshole and has atrack record to back that up.
2/03/2012 09:19:00 PM
I no longer believe attorneys serve a USEFUL purpose. In my three decades on the job I have seen them cheat, suborn perjury and out right lie to get their clients off. They will do ANYTHING to get their clients off. Anything to enhance their reputation so they can get more criminals off.
Lawyers no longer look for justice. They look for the money, that's it. Most should be charged criminally, but it will never happen. Lawyers keeping lawyers in line, HA! There are no penalties for criminal acts committed by lawyers. When is the last time you heard of a lawyer going to jail for the the antics in a court room. WE all pay the taxes they steal from, and the band plays on.
I guess it was more then just a battery to this police officer. I guess he has a history of being racial towards this officer talking about his middle eastern decent. To the point of saying he is a terrorist
I heard they have a witness that this lt. constantly makes fun of this officers race. So I smell a nice lawsuit
Not sure what happened, but here is my guess, as the following has transpired in just about every district I have been in over the last couple decades... LT disagrees with his subordinate over a procedural issue and takes any question of authority as a personal attack, most likely resulting form the LT's insecurity due to a lack of management training/skill. Mostly, he is underqualified and he knows it, so he takes umbridge at his subordinate. After all, how dare a lowly po have an opinion about something as serious as how to perform x.y.z...? Due to the fact that the LT does not have any real management or personal communication skills, he decides that instead of taking a time out and settling the matter, the LT tries to show that he is really in charge, desperatly tossing out the "direct order or else! See! I'm the boss!!" rhetoric... Copper isn't having any of it, in his opinion he deals with armed assholes on the street, why take it from an unqualified merit hack? So it gets ugly. LT calls the commander to help rectify the situation, which is just what a commander wants to hear at 4am on a saturday while he is at home sleeping. "Boss, this kid won't x.y.or z.." DC is pissed that he had to wake up, so the PO is gonna pay for that in addition lol....all the white shirts side with the LT, because that's what white shirts do. Granted, 1 or 2 white shirts may side with the PO, but those are the ones that are either already out of favor with the other white shirts or who actually still remember what it was like to work for a hack. Some blue shirts side with the LT because they are ass kissers or are scared of losing a 'spot'. The DC gets involved and has to save the LT's ass: you see, he is the one that put him there in the first place, so he takes it personally as well. So the copper gets punished, perhaps a real punishment like a cr, but most likely it is some slap on the wrist BS like a verbal rep, but life gets difficult for him scheduling-wise, and he bids out or waits for the LT to move on. Again, I have NO idea what happened in 013, no clue who was involved, but I'm guessing that it went along these lines. The LT, seeing that this tactic works, will rinse and repeat. Eventually you will have 20 openings in the district and downtown will wonder 'why?" So the simple solution is.... drumroll.... no openings.
Not saying there are not dipshit coppers that really need a good reaming, but the above scenario has played out several times where the copper really didn't do more than have an opinion or make an honest error. There are still a lot of good LT's, but the bad ones tend to stick out like a sore thumb. Gotta love cpd.
OT --
Radio reports, "police used locator app to catch two gunmen who ripped off Iphone in Wicker Park, more than a dozen Iphone robberies in that area."
Hey, uh, Todd and Muffy? Quit standing on the street at night, staring down at that stupid thing and texting, completely oblivious to your surroundings.
"I m here. I m there. I m at Rooster cofe shp. I m blowin mi nose."
What, are you a transplant surgeon on call or something?
It is not like the Pentagon will need to get ahold of you for permission to launch the missiles.
Ease up with this.
Another fine merit pick ... These white shirts think they can do whatever they want . I heard the C/O of the court section is getting launched maybe they can hide him there.
God Bless the officer! He's was assaulted and insulted repeatedly by Lt Stone! I hope Lt Stone gets what he deserves, he is out of control with the way he treats officers! Good luck officer, I know what you did was not easy to deal with.
OT- RE:G8 for all of you riot ready troops, I'm glad they are ordering riot gear for the horses, no slight against the mounted unit, I WANT that 1500lbs linebacker on my side!, I just hope they can find some gear for the two legged troops; http://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/dps/ContractAdministration/Specs/2012/103706HorseProtectiveRiotGear.pdf
013 is closing and this a**hole Lieutenant will be gone for sure. Let's talk about some other more important issues. Is RAHM looking to screw us in the next contract? Are going to sit back and let it happen? NOTHING has been done to stop RAHM & McPrick from all the changes they are making now. There have been numerous grievances filed but will this be good enough?
Sounds like some people never change. I remember him as a patrolman in 025, he was a jag off there as well. Oh, that right; everyone call him "STONE JAGG-OFF"!
Go figure.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That's almost as bad as 11dubs making verbal threats in the station against another p.o in front of witnesses and nothing ever happened to him.
2/04/2012 08:46:00 AM
Shame on the PO.Either it gets handled with an assault beef or AZ can go in the parking lot and see if he can back it up.No law saing you have to take threats or a battery because the offender is your boss.
Anonymous said...
Pretty soon, the entire 013 District is going to be stripped and working at call back because god forbid anyone in this Department take actual action against a lieutenant.
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This comment is ignorent in itself! The district generates the CR which it has in both incidents. IAD investigates the alligations and takes action. At the district level there isn't anything else that can be done. It's called a contract and officers rights.
2/04/2012 10:42:00 AM
I think you are ignorant. Must be a boss.
Work place violence? That's child's play. Try breaking loose from a "chunk-lock".
Anonymous said...
Years ago, MANY years ago, the entire third watch in 20, I believe, refused to take the street after roll call because of a jag bag WC. They had enough. The deputy came out. The next day the WC was gone. Never happen today.
2/04/2012 10:47:00 AM
That was a true story and the officers stuck together. Back then officrs had a set not like the hair gels today. Today, it takes a miracle to remove a idiot boss. The officers in 013 should stick together against the LT. I would make a case report so 3th street could not ignore the problem. But then, clout always wins.
Anonymous said...
Sniper incident in 010 tonight. Scary. Glad everyone is okay
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There was a sniper incident about 13yrs ago in 10. A Sgt was hit in the arm and was forced to go on disability. The asshole was caught but was only given a "STIFF" sentence of 12yrs.
Forget the damn CR. I would hire myself a damn lawyer and sue the Lt, the CPD & the City. Let the lawyers & courts lite the fire under their A$$es
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This lt is a idiot but ultimately this all falls on our commander who is a spineless one way useless boss. He talks out of both sides of his mouth will do anything he has to, to be the new boss of 12 when we move.He runs around like a chicken with his head cutoff before compstat scared shitless your a grown man act like one. Your 1st mistake was listening to your old tact lt. boy did he fuck things up. Im sure you were good at your old job kissing ass downtown now why dont you bring our old commander back she had more balls then you ever will. We miss you Judy. I appauld that P.O. for standing up to you lt.S
Wasnt there a similar situation in the Marine Unit years ago with a sometimes drunken supervisor sucker punching the officers' on his watch?
This police officer needs to sue the city. I heard that this lt. Also has been Making comments towards his police officer regarding his race
it's really going to be ugly because everyone has been warned this department of what is up with this poor human being that masquerades himself as a police officer ( A Lt ) on top of that one that should lead by example not by VIOLENCE........
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Put it on paper in a TO/FROM report and sign the fuckin' thing if you care so much or are you scared?
Hey, SCC,
I just saw a story on CLTV where the black Rev'runs and community activists are marching on the 007th District station and demanding to be policed by BLACK police officers rather than WHITE officers.
Can you believe these arrogant a**holes???
They're getting MORE police coverage than almost ANY district in the city, but it's not good enough because they want BLACK faces in those blue shirts!
I say let all the BLACK officers bid in and move the white officers back to the WHITE districts. And if the black officers don't want to bid in, then let the Rev'runs police their own people!
Off the subject, watching news re. southside residents expecting IRS tax refunds of over $8,000 for what? Maybe the IRS should start looking closely at these store fronts preparing taxes
you guys have me confused, was a CR generated against the p.o. or against the supervisor and what does it the aledge ???
This comment is ignorent in itself! The district generates the CR which it has in both incidents.
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you Sir, seem to be the 1 that is ignorant .. I think you missed the point the officer was making with this comment , we are know the cr process , they were simply stating that what is going on in 13 is rediculous, the CR's are you gonna continue to rack up if this stone guy is left in charge
Eli can't be the hair gel Police. He has no hair!
10:55 am
Dr. Freud. Stone's nickname is DIANA, not Dana.
Stone is a time bomb. CPD should go for separation.
Lets not forget about the 2 screwball sgts AZ & TS in 011. AZ has threatened and berated many PO's in 011. TS is just an all around J/O.
If you are making 6 figures or close to it and cannot resolve conflict without violence or the threat of it you should just quit and do the us the favor.
Obviously, you took away nothing from the work you did on this job.
I'm a very happy retiree of ten yrs & sure don't miss all the bullshit bosses.
What I would like to hear about is who is this Stone guy & where did he come from & who is his clout that he made Sgt & Lt.?
Who out there worked with this guy when was a Sgt, and also what was this goof like as a po ? Did guys work with him or was he 99 cause he was a jag?
Guys please watch out for this. I've seen crap like this before and it can easily escalate to having bodies on the ground.
A deep breath, turn and walk away. It isn't worth it.
Hey, "Little Napoleon" Stone! You are the consumate asshole bully pulling rank. Remember when the gangbanger snatched your weapon in your 10-1 in 025. We bailed your sorry ass out only to have you get a CR# on us for "excessive force". You are a shameless piece of shit.
713 has got it all right only you need to put that jags REAL initials = "JT". we all know that TS is just short for his last name and some other word for "suction"...ask him, it gets him all wound up!! crybaby m-effer
Anonymous said...
Pretty soon, the entire 013 District is going to be stripped and working at call back because god forbid anyone in this Department take actual action against a lieutenant.
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This comment is ignorent in itself! The district generates the CR which it has in both incidents. IAD investigates the alligations and takes action. At the district level there isn't anything else that can be done. It's called a contract and officers rights.
2/04/2012 10:42:00 AM
I think you are ignorant. Must be a boss.
2/04/2012 03:19:00 PM
Why because I knew the answer and your dumb ass didn't. Screw you
you Sir, seem to be the 1 that is ignorant .. I think you missed the point the officer was making with this comment , we are know the cr process , they were simply stating that what is going on in 13 is rediculous, the CR's are you gonna continue to rack up if this stone guy is left in charge
WTF, taken an English class will ya.
Like Carothers, Commander Gross shouldve been dumped and demoted long ago. They should be sharing a cubicle at HQ. Worthless, and would sell anyone out but themselves.
Please don't tell me this nitwit is related to the late great Freddy Stone?
Every PO should check their Performance Recognition Portfolio.
Supervisors can just go in there and blatantly falsify and make things up without the Officer ever knowing or acknowledging anything.
This has happened to numerous PO's that I know where the Supervisors use it and later try to justify their disciplinary actions. This has to be some type of violation of some sort. Supervisors can "build" a case on you and you would never know it unless you log in with your PC # and actually read all the comments. You can not challenge or contest their remarks and they stay in your file indefinetly. EVERYONE SHOULD CHECK THEIR ELECTRONIC FILE AND REVIEW IT.
The 020 story mentioned here is mostly true. It did happen over 20 year ago and the watch refused to hit the street after roll call and the street deputy did come out and ask us to go out and work after stating he would fix the mess. Of course that was after we threw around a few chairs in the roll call room (fun). I was there and the W/C was drunk again and pissed everyone off afterstating he was denying all time due request for a certain holiday but he didnt get launched. He got his ass chewed out and during roll call the next day he stated all time due for that certain holiday would be granted. He never left the district until he retired I believe but fucked with guys a little bit less. That occurred around 89/90. I was fairly new on the Job and moments like that always reminded me that I chose the right career path. Most of us felt that way. I wonder if guys feel like that today.
here is some English for you... Fuck You... ever here of typo's... this isn't a college paper being turned in...
The reverends are complaining they got a white commander in 007. Are you kidding me, didnt they notice the job done by the old commander. Who says racist isnt rampant. We want a black commander, it has nothing to do with the job its all about color.
Guess who merited Gross? Once again - your favorite Fill.
Coppers of old days know that fill was always for fill, and that fill was a very good policeman, but fill was a horrible judge of character.
Fill liked people around him whom he could control; people around him who were not smarter than him; people around him who he could take advantage of.
Take a look at who Fill surrounded himself with and who he merit promoted. Pattern there, huh?
Priceless, channel 7 blurred out the face of the alleged bank robber found hiding under the jeep. Don't be afraid of reporting facts channel 7 , you can show the face of the man hiding from police without getting in trouble. How do you think the show cops does it.
"Joe Curtin's Ghost". . . . Damn, I should have taken that one!
Does Call Back have an 06 car? Might be a sweet spot! Got to be better than here...
017 "Angry Park"
Hey, "Little Napoleon" Stone! You are the consumate asshole bully pulling rank. Remember when the gangbanger snatched your weapon in your 10-1 in 025. We bailed your sorry ass out only to have you get a CR# on us for "excessive force". You are a shameless piece of shit.
2/04/2012 09:00:00 PM
Your'e kidding me, right? If this has any truth to it the Supt should demote this TOOL immediately. Look into this immediately Mc Carthy, if you have the POWER.
Fyi, the XO in 013 is an academy classmate of the DC and Lt DS, so don't pin any hopes on him.
Gross can forget becoming DC of the new 012 if he backs up Stone when there are witnesses to this incident and previous times when Stone made inflammatory comments about the officer's Middle Eastern heritage.
I just saw a story on CLTV where the black Rev'runs and community activists are marching on the 007th District station and demanding to be policed by BLACK police officers rather than WHITE officers.
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Great! I am all for this. This is a great idea. Let African Americans police their own people so that they are no longer treated so unfairly by the white devil. Let's make this happen right away. I am sure the black officers will be on board with this too so lets make it happen. Jesse J get the other MB reverends and make this happen right now! Put Carothers back as the commander and have Eddie Welch be the special deputy chief for all black districts. Corky is already there so we all good. Maybe we can even get DTEB back as the 5 star elite for the black districts. Man I am getting really excited about this. I can leave the black district I work in and go work in a white district. Why didn't we think of this before. This is the answer to all the violence in the black areas. Just think, all the shootings and the homicides will be virtually non-existent. Lets make 007 the pilot program for this to show the world that this is THE ANSWER. Please put the bid openings for the northside in the CO books right away. I don't want to continue to be the cause of all the violence in the black districts any longer. Black officers in black neighborhoods, it's so simple! Why didn't we think of this before? I have my PAR form filled out already.
Forget the damn CR. I would hire myself a damn lawyer and sue the Lt, the CPD & the City. Let the lawyers & courts lite the fire under their A$$es
NO, get the CR#, let IPRA do the investigation, then when you sue, it will be done for you already.
Like Carothers, Commander Gross shouldve been dumped and demoted long ago. They should be sharing a cubicle at HQ. Worthless, and would sell anyone out but themselves.
Unfortunately, Carothers was lateraled to a nice spot, with nothing to do.
Bring back Christine Kolman to clean this shit up. What a travesty.
The city will take action the second they have to take out their checkbook and not one minute sooner.
OT: MFF pleads, I mean begs for officers! The new announcement states that the city is in the process of securing riot gear for the MFF officers and not the normal riot gear that was issued previously in 2002-2003. A special riot gear! And in the process? Announcement also states the the MFF candidates will still have to purchase additional items but does not say what items or how much it will cost the officers. If you are seriously thinking about applying for MFF (which I recommend against!) make sure you know what it's going to cost you! What additional items ate need to be purchased at the officers expense and what happens if the city does not get the "special" riot gear. If the city needs you then they should provide you with adequate equipment . Don't let the city circumvent our contract yet again?
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Don't take their word for it...remember they offered the capts
Straight days and a take home car. After they signed up the City screwed them because they weren't written into the contract.
Want to see a list of idiots ?
Then see who signs up..
O.T. Had the G8 "training" recently. We watched a few videos of other cities getting destroyed and cops fighting, getting hurt and probably sued down the road. Got into a couple half asses formations that confused everyone and will certainly be broken or forgotten when the shit hits the fan. Had more break time and lunch time to fill in the space to take up 8 hours. Everyone in the class including a few bosses were laughing at this joke of a training session. Why the hell did the city decide to host this disaster waiting to happen? We are so unprepared.
One word GARYSCHENKEL NOT THE POLICE
here is some English for you... Fuck You... ever here of typo's... this isn't a college paper being turned in...
Dude I would hug you and buy you a beer if I knew who you were.
Do you know that the paper cops (meaning educated) think that their smart papers make a difference? Look at MIke Meeler for instance....he was handing back reports in Intellegence because he didn't like the line scored under an officers signature. Hey Mike.. "FUCK OFF"
I don't believe Dean is related at all to the great Freddy Stone, although his caveman mentality makes me believe he might be related to the great cartoon character Freddy
FlintStone
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The 020 story mentioned here is mostly true. It did happen over 20 year ago and the watch refused to hit the street after roll call and the street deputy did come out and ask us to go out and work after stating he would fix the mess. Of course that was after we threw around a few chairs in the roll call room (fun). I was there and the W/C was drunk again and pissed everyone off afterstating he was denying all time due request for a certain holiday but he didnt get launched. He got his ass chewed out and during roll call the next day he stated all time due for that certain holiday would be granted. He never left the district until he retired I believe but fucked with guys a little bit less. That occurred around 89/90. I was fairly new on the Job and moments like that always reminded me that I chose the right career path. Most of us felt that way. I wonder if guys feel like that today.
2/04/2012 09:37:00 PM
Nope. Been on 14. It has come to the point that I am looking elsewhere for employment. I am not alone, several guys I work with are doing the same. I'll work somewhere else for less money, live in a burb, see my kids on weekends and holidays, and not look back. This place is for the birds...
The 020 story mentioned here is mostly true. It did happen over 20 year ago and the watch refused to hit the street after roll call and the street deputy did come out and ask us to go out and work after stating he would fix the mess. Of course that was after we threw around a few chairs in the roll call room (fun). I was there and the W/C was drunk again and pissed everyone off afterstating he was denying all time due request for a certain holiday but he didnt get launched. He got his ass chewed out and during roll call the next day he stated all time due for that certain holiday would be granted. He never left the district until he retired I believe but fucked with guys a little bit less. That occurred around 89/90. I was fairly new on the Job and moments like that always reminded me that I chose the right career path. Most of us felt that way. I wonder if guys feel like that today.
2/04/2012 09:37:00 PM
I was there then and don't remember hearing about it. Was it by chance Capt. Gleason? There were so many loony tune bosses there back then. It sure was a wild bunch! And having the bar across the street from the station cured most ills of your day!
here is some English for you... Fuck You... ever hear of typo's... this isn't a college paper being turned in...
you Sir, seem to be the 1 that is ignorant .. I think you missed the point the officer was making with this comment , we are know the cr process , they were simply stating that what is going on in 13 is rediculous, the CR's are you gonna continue to rack up if this stone guy is left in charge
WTF, taken an English class will ya.
2/04/2012 09:17:00 PM
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Bwahahahaha! Taken an English class. How about prrrooooffffrrrreeeeaaaaaddddiiiinnnnggggg???
I just saw a story on CLTV where the black Rev'runs and community activists are marching on the 007th District station and demanding to be policed by BLACK police officers rather than WHITE officers.
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I recall from college, textbooks and professors stated this was/is a racist form of police coverage in neighborhoods.
Thought violence in the workplace is a zero tolerance policy. Except for those who are connected like Capt. Altman of the CFD who not only pushed a P.O. down from the Marine Unit . . . TWICE, injuring the officer, but at the same scene physically grabbed Doorknob, CFD Dive Team, and told him to basically shut the f-up. And didn't all of the CFD witnesses onscene claim to not have seen anything. This jagoff commits battery to a P.O., violence in the workplace, never apologizes and his minions lie for him. If a policeman had done that, he'd be out of a job, pension lost, and under arrest. Don't expect police and fire to get along when jagoffs are allowed to be jagoffs. Don't wonder why there are so many lawsuits nowadays.
Anonymous said...
ever here of typo's...
2/04/2012 09:55:00 PM
"hear of typos"--
there, I fixed it for you
what I would like to know is where did did guy Stone come from and how did he make rank? Who is his clout?
What was this guy like as a Sgt? And more so what was he like as a P/O/ Who out there worked with him in a car as a p/o and how was he to work with? Was he always a jag??
Anonymous said...
I am sure that more than 25 to 30 P0s and Sgts are getting together and filing a complaint of working in a hostile work environment and violence in the workplace against this crazy Lt and the department since the DC is aware of this and other situations and has purposely ignored it in order to defend his old recruit/ classmate and partner from getting in trouble
2/04/2012 08:24:00 AM
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Might want to check on the meaning of"Hostile Workplace," before making fools of themselves.
Anonymous said...
I guess it was more then just a battery to this police officer. I guess he has a history of being racial towards this officer talking about his middle eastern decent. To the point of saying he is a terrorist
2/04/2012 12:09:00 PM
Maybe it is time for the officer to talk to EEOC and involve the feds. Even rumors of a civil rights violation should get the attention of 35th street. A EEOC beef wil stay with Stone for years, preventing him from any promotions until the case is finished. Feds in EEOC work very slow and Stone would have this beef hanging over his head for years. At least a simple visit to EEOC might be worth the time.
http://www.eeoc.gov/field/chicago/
"Anonymous said...
here is some English for you... Fuck You... ever here of typo's... this isn't a college paper being turned in..."
2/04/2012 09:55:00 PM
It's "ever HEAR of TYPOS".
Do you think that good grammar and spelling are only required for college papers? Your logic is equal to your command of the language, which immediately labels you for those to whom you speak.
You have indeed labled yourself as ignorant and that dictates the weight with which your comments will be taken by others.
Hey, SCC,
I just saw a story on CLTV where the black Rev'runs and community activists are marching on the 007th District station and demanding to be policed by BLACK police officers rather than WHITE officers.
Can you believe these arrogant a**holes???
They're getting MORE police coverage than almost ANY district in the city, but it's not good enough because they want BLACK faces in those blue shirts!
I say let all the BLACK officers bid in and move the white officers back to the WHITE districts. And if the black officers don't want to bid in, then let the Rev'runs police their own people!
2/04/2012 05:09:00 PM
But thats not racist,right??? What a double standard.
OT 'Here come the Revruns!' 007 is going to be the test case of McJersey's political viability in Chitcago. My guess is one march on city hall with signs and bucket boys will knock that house of cards down. Or is the Mayor willing to appear to be Revrun-Deaf in Obama's home town? OOOOO....this is gonna be great to watch!
Off the subject, watching news re. southside residents expecting IRS tax refunds of over $8,000 for what? Maybe the IRS should start looking closely at these store fronts preparing taxes
2/04/2012 05:13:00 PM
Can't fix STUPID!, really who would trust a tax prep called MO'MONEY.
It should've been called MO"MONEY BLUES
Back in the 90s when Stone first made Sgt. and came to 016 he started some shit with a patrolman and it led to flying fists at the desk. Fucking psycho!!
Wait until Commander gary busse in the 7th district starts closing down the taverns , then there will be a shit storm demanding a black commander to allow things to operate
what are you waiting for commander , lock up the after hour , over crowded bars and clubs and you'll be back in gangs
do it , make some waves
Anonymous said...
The 020 story mentioned here is mostly true. It did happen over 20 year ago and the watch refused to hit the street after roll call and the street deputy did come out and ask us to go out and work after stating he would fix the mess. Of course that was after we threw around a few chairs in the roll call room (fun). I was there and the W/C was drunk again and pissed everyone off afterstating he was denying all time due request for a certain holiday but he didnt get launched. He got his ass chewed out and during roll call the next day he stated all time due for that certain holiday would be granted. He never left the district until he retired I believe but fucked with guys a little bit less. That occurred around 89/90. I was fairly new on the Job and moments like that always reminded me that I chose the right career path. Most of us felt that way. I wonder if guys feel like that today.
2/04/2012 09:37:00 PM
This story is mostly wrong and you are only repeating a story that you heard in the bar, ROOKIE!!!
This happened in the mid 70's. The Captain was Hogenson and after the incident he was detailed to communications in the Ivory Tower (11th & State, for the rookies). From there he was sent to the 012th District. He was a changed man. He turned into a Great Boss, but he did have heart problems. He had a heart transplant & went on 3/4 disablility.
So remember never tell a story when you weren't there & are only Repeating, wishing that you were there.
PS. The guys in the 20th District were respected throughout the city as really having BALLS!!!
Anonymous said...
Please don't tell me this nitwit is related to the late great Freddy Stone?
I dont beleieve Dean is related to the late great Freddy Stone. I do believe that his caveman mentality suggest he may be related to the great cartoon character Freddy FlintStone....YaBaDaBaDoo!!!!
Hey, "Little Napoleon" Stone! You are the consumate asshole bully pulling rank. Remember when the gangbanger snatched your weapon in your 10-1 in 025. We bailed your sorry ass out only to have you get a CR# on us for "excessive force". You are a shameless piece of shit.
2/04/2012 09:00:00 PM
Your'e kidding me, right? If this has any truth to it the Supt should demote this TOOL immediately. Look into this immediately Mc Carthy, if you have the POWER.
Are you kidding? He treats POs line shit and is inept as a leader?? In this department thats grounds for promotion not demotion! HELL, He may get a spot in Washington to represent law enforcement nationwide!
Sounds like some people never change. I remember him as a patrolman in 025, he was a jag off there as well. Oh, that right; everyone call him "STONE JAGG-OFF"!
Go figure.
2/04/2012 02:41:00 PM
"Z" SHOULDVE BEAT HIS PUNK ASS YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, "Little Napoleon" Stone! You are the consumate asshole bully pulling rank. Remember when the gangbanger snatched your weapon in your 10-1 in 025. We bailed your sorry ass out only to have you get a CR# on us for "excessive force". You are a shameless piece of shit.
2/04/2012 09:00:00 PM
Your'e kidding me, right? If this has any truth to it the Supt should demote this TOOL immediately. Look into this immediately Mc Carthy, if you have the POWER.
2/04/2012 11:54:00 PM
100% TRUE!!!
To those of you who have been victimized by that fucken stone jag-off in 13, contact the lawyer who is sueing stupid Cpt Randall Zawis(retired 018), steve G; ken A; Paul M; CRAZY kelly braitw; brian b; and last, but not least...tony M._____these fuckers thought they could violate State & Federal employment laws and civil rights laws. Yes, white people have civil rights too!
Hey Old timer from 20th dist. Lucas here, who you be
Anonymous said...
what I would like to know is where did did guy Stone come from and how did he make rank? Who is his clout?
What was this guy like as a Sgt? And more so what was he like as a P/O/ Who out there worked with him in a car as a p/o and how was he to work with? Was he always a jag??
2/05/2012 10:07:00 AM
He was a total jag when he was a patrolman in 025. A big whining crybaby who always had a smart ass comment at roll call. One day a fellow PO had enough of his shit and told DS to meet him in the parking lot after work. DS chickened out and took 2 on the end.
Just remember that the black reverends don’t represent the black police officers of this department. We are all BLUE, not black, white, Hispanic, Asian etc., so don’t disrespect the black police officers by saying let them go police their own people. I know what you’re trying to say, but we are their people and they are ours. Most black PO’s aren’t ghetto rats, just as most whites aren’t hillbillies or Klan members. The race card is being used by the reverends; it always has and always will be; they are wanna-be politicians and think their demands should matter. There are some great black policemen, just as there are cops of every color and ethnicity that the reverends should be concerned with getting into the District, rather than worrying about what color the administrator is. They are up in arms because they know that any white administrator won’t have the same desire to consult them or concern themselves with the Rev’s “demands” as some of the previous administrators. My point is for you not to make this an us against them thing with black police officers, we are all in this together. I expect the same performance from officers of every color and ethnicity, and would trust my white family to most every black officer on this department. I hope they would maintain the same trust in us. Be the cops and don’t let the race baiters get to you, we know what they are and what they want, but it matters not to us… we are the police, black, white and mostly blue.
But remember who replaced Capt Hogansen in the 20th district in the 70s was Lt. Paul Tasch.
I could have sworn that the 020th district story took place in 017 in '86 or '87 and the boss was Frank Golbeck. He went nuts on some poor P.O. on afternoons and the first watch refused to go out until something was done. The union had to come out and plead, some deal was cut and Golbeck was detailed to the academy the next day. At least thats how I remember it.
Ok...now I wish I worked in 013....
I'd love to witness this shit on the clock...I have balls and would file charges and a lawsuit.
Just in the merry band of clouted no clue bosses! "Move along nothing to see here folks"
You know what cracks me up ....here is a guy who made lt. That was high on the list ... Nothing said. I thought the list guys were supposed to be so much smarter than the merit guys???
Off the subject, watching news re. southside residents expecting IRS tax refunds of over $8,000 for what? Maybe the IRS should start looking closely at these store fronts preparing taxes
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Speaking of taxes, does anyone know a good “tax preparer”? Any information will be greatly appreciated.
To those of you who have been victimized by that fucken stone jag-off in 13, contact the lawyer who is sueing stupid Cpt Randall Zawis(retired 018), steve G; ken A; Paul M; CRAZY kelly braitw; brian b; and last, but not least...tony M._____these fuckers thought they could violate State & Federal employment laws and civil rights laws. Yes, white people have civil rights too!
Sorry that case was a big loser for the officer involved. He is, was, and always will be a dog, he was in 009 as well.
This is a new day and age.
The time of going out back and kicking the shit out of whomever is over with. If you kick the shit out of your supervisor for messing with you or even just defending yourself then it's you that will be fighting for your job and it will be you at call back for 5 years.
THIS IS HOW YOU HANDLE IT BOYS AND GIRLS. HURT THE CITY IN THEIR POCKETS. Kind of like impounding the shithead's car for a bag of weed. You know what I mean...
Good Job Officer!!!
I think that anyone who is currently enduring any type of harrasment or hostile environment should file an EEOC complaint and stick it to them like they're sticking you. Fuck the Union and fuck Managment and Labor Affairs.
Consult an attorney, file a formal complaint and that will protect you from any further retaliation.
http://www.lawofficer.com/article/news/jury-awards-chicago-police-off
Boss or no boss, if he lays his hands on me, he's going in cuffs and I'll call operation command. If they want to Handel it through CR then I'll let him go. If not I'll arrest him. Either way, he's going to know, he can't go around hitting people. If I was him I would be careful, because someone could now kick his ass and use his past to justify he caused it.
I threatened to kick this backstabbers ass in the 025 back in the late 90s. He backed down then and he's still a coward.
To those of you who have been victimized by that fucken stone jag-off in 13, contact the lawyer who is sueing stupid Cpt Randall Zawis(retired 018), steve G; ken A; Paul M; CRAZY kelly braitw; brian b; and last, but not least...tony M._____these fuckers thought they could violate State & Federal employment laws and civil rights laws. Yes, white people have civil rights too!
Sorry that case was a big loser for the officer involved. He is, was, and always will be a dog, he was in 009 as well.
2/05/2012 11:34:00 PM
Yes he is a dog. But that does not excuse the behavior of the clout heavy, under qualified bosses that plague the once great 018. Days there is absolutely a hostile place to work. Backstabbing, bitching, whining, manipulative whiteshirts, led by a stressed out goofball of a dc. Glad I bid out when I did.
I was in the same academy class as "Sgt" Stone (22 Dec 1986) and I see things haven't changed much for this stroke. He was a complete asshole in the academy and disliked by everyone. When we had our star party, he sat alone at a table with his date because NO ONE wanted the stroke at their table. The guy obviously suffers from some sort of self esteem issue. Sorry to hear he is causing so many problems in 013.
"here is some English for you... Fuck You... ever here of typo's... this isn't a college paper being turned in...
2/04/2012 09:55:00 PM
Ever hear of writing coherently and rereading before you hit send? Your opinion will be respected if you present it articulately.
No it's not a college paper, it's real-life communication. Please try to figure it out.
Can u believe nothing happened to the stroke and he reported to work as usual. DC must not give a rats ass.
The incident in 20 occurred in 1974. Long before we had any union!
It was the second 3rd watch role call. (we had two back then early & late) The moron was Capt Hogason who stated at role call no one on the watch would have ANY time due if we didn't bring in curfews. He wanted two from each car and stated he didn't care if we had to write up our own children.It should be noted that 020 was the north side dump district at that time. We did have an awful lot of "really don't give a shit guys" in the district. Bernnie Fienstein stood and told "HOGIE" "Fuck You" and threw his star at the prick. He then told Hogie if he picked up the star he wouldn't leave the role call room. He didn't pick it up and we all refused to go out on the street and relieve the day shift. The day shift stayed over an hour and the prick was gone that night. However we got a bigger prick in his place Paul Tash.Tash would take the CTA to work because they trashed his car and put a dead chicken on his front porch with it's head cut off and shoved up its ass. He was a 14 carat gold asshole but we got our pay back many times. What a great time it was to be a cop in the big city.
Perhaps the disturbed lt. is suffering from borderline/personality disorder.
sig freud
I have been retired many years and it seems to me that the quality of payback by the rank and file is somewhat diminished. I was in 20 when Tash was there. The entire time Tash was watch commander in 20 he took the bus to work because he was afraid his car would get trashed or burned. We sent the prick magazine subscriptions to his house. We signed him up to receive the "gay and lesbian" newspaper. He got diaper service and food deliveries and anything else we could think of sent to his house. We were relentless. Oh he was a prick but we got our shots in and laughed ourselves silly in the process. There wasn't a bathroom in the entire district that didn't have the following written in bold letters over the every urinal "PAUL TASH SUCKS". Come on guys I know you still have what it takes. Get creative and start driving the morons over the edge. Just don't tell anyone what you do......as they say just do it. Hell I heard Tash even had his mail rerouted from a change of address form the post office uses. His mail was messed up for months....shit happens that's why they make the bumper stickers. Quit whining and start doing. Payback is a bitch!
I could have sworn that the 020th district story took place in 017 in '86 or '87 and the boss was Frank Golbeck. He went nuts on some poor P.O. on afternoons and the first watch refused to go out until something was done. The union had to come out and plead, some deal was cut and Golbeck was detailed to the academy the next day. At least thats how I remember it.
2/05/2012 05:32:00 PM
Yeah, this guy was fond of dangling the slip in front of you til the last day before you needed off for a wedding or some critical event, then he'd deny the time. A real charmer.
Did you see that big pay check for the Second amend Foundation from the city of chicago for violating the Constitution? That would be the way to deal with that fucken stone jagg off in 013th. Legal remedies are always the best way of righting a wrong, especially with out of control white shirts like "stone jagg-off". Just ask Randall, Ken, Paul & Kelly over at 18th; they have been sick ever since they were served by the feds.
So last night there was a big pow wow in the district station. The participants were the Area 4 Deputy Cheif, the 13th district commander, the 13th district XO and the infamous Lt Dean Stone. Wish I was a fly on that wall. Things are going to get ugly.
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