The Gift That Keeps On Giving
A female bartender whose videotaped beating was broadcast around the world in 2007 told two responding officers her attacker was a Chicago cop and that three cameras captured the incident.
But the officers’ police report didn’t mention another cop was suspected of the beating or that it was videotaped, city attorneys acknowledged in a filing in federal court.
The bartender, Karolina Obrycka, claims the responding officers left the information out because they didn’t want to deal with the other cop, Anthony Abbate. Obrycka also says she gave the officers Abbate’s full name, which the city disputes.
True? Who knows? We don't think any of the existing video has sound, so it comes down to "she said, he said." Not enough for a "Thirty Pending" type finding, but enough to make Corp Counsel think that settling is the better part of actually going to trial.
In any event, expect to see the video about a billion more times in the next few days. Thanks again whoever greased the skids for this idiot to get hired despite his questionable background. We'll be paying the price for that decision for the duration of our career and probably the duration of everyone else reading today.
In any event, expect to see the video about a billion more times in the next few days. Thanks again whoever greased the skids for this idiot to get hired despite his questionable background. We'll be paying the price for that decision for the duration of our career and probably the duration of everyone else reading today.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
141 Comments:
Keep harping on who had him hired, but continue to ignore the 025 morons who omitted info to help him. We always end up our own worse enemies.
Wow, has she hit the lawsuit jackpot. Over and over again.
OT: Chicago is the murder capital of the U.S.-
http://www.bet.com/news/health/2012/02/01/chicago-has-highest-murder-rate-in-the-u-s.html
The coverup is worse than the truth IAD.
No Sommerfield lawsuit coverage? City paid him
Karolina and her scumbag attorney Terry Ekl are going to milk the city tit for as much as they can.
Tony Abbate says: "You're welcome. Enjoy the gift, bitches!"
And the latest rumor is that Tony is (and has been) dating Karolina for years. This was an illustrious ruse orchestrated by both of these alcoholics to abscond with a hellafied payday.
Who's the asshole now?
I may be wrong, but I could swear that I saw her interviewed on the "O'Reilly Factor," back when this shit first hit the fan. Almost positive that the bartender in an interview on the show stated that she didn't know Abbonte was a cop at the time. Any way to find the footage to see if I'm wrong or right?
Abbate was identified and arrested by the Chicago Police. Video is awful to watch, but she suffered no injuries. None. Did not go hospital until a couple days later(after talking to a lawyer probably). Video shows her jumping up onto her feet after fatass Abbate gets winded and stops throwing punches. The video looks like most, if not all, Abbate's punches don't land. There is no fucking way in hell this warranted an Aggravated Battery charge. Abbate is a goon and deserved to be punished, but she's just a money hungry bitch now. Abbate was off duty. Her first lawsuit against the police department because she was victimized by an officer was tossed because he was off duty and not using his position as an officer during the incident. She did not suffer any injuries. Did not seek immediate medical attention. The CPD identified Abbate, arrested Abbate, called the Cook County States Attorney and asked for felony charges. She's upset the officers did not mention what the offender did for a living on the case report.? So what. He was arrested and charged by us. I'm sure she'll say "it's not about the money". Fuck her.
The video that the Scum-Times had up today had sound. Don't know if they preserved the tape all the way through the report taking process, however, or if it was sensitive enough to actually pick up that kind of conversation.
First off, there is sound. Second, she didn't know his name or that he was a cop cause she only worked there 3 weeks. Third, the reporting officers did not try to cover up anything and the shit department tried to fire them. It's a case of "I need to tie the city to the law suit cause that's where the money is"!
Lyrics come to mind, due perhaps the the late hour and my recent consumption of a big pizza pie:
In Chicago-ey, where clout is king
When boy beats girl
This is what they say. . .
When the shit hits the fan
Like an entitled po-lice-man
That's Abbate!
When Goudy puts cops to the screws
Over well-known old bad news
That's Abbate!
I'll drink to that!
Not true,these officers had no idea this piece of shit was a cop.That idiot fucking bartender even stated in an interview with the trib that she didn't even know he was a cop.1 Doucebag who was to much of a pussy to help a lady said he maybe a cop to her but never said it to the po's.this is a case of this department blaming this on anyone it can.These po's are both princes and if you didnt know 1 of the po's involved already locked up a copper for dicing up his wife
SCC, your disgust, while understandable, is misplaced.
After reading the lengthy transcript of the allegations, it seems apparent that the responding/reporting officers left the report so vague as to appear that they were covering for a fellow officer; why they would do THAT
is anyone's guess, but what was left out of the report of the incident is indeed embarrassing.
It's almost as bad as the testimony of the cops who handled the Rich Bolling H&R/reckless homicide.
And we all know how embarrassing THAT testimony
was.
Can we get some pancakes here ?
Ho-Hum.
This mutt had to be a very well connected asshole to only get probation for his assault on the barmaid. This guy was an out of control drunk. The many suffer for the few.
How is this duty related? Why would the City of Chicago or Police Department be on the hook for anything? If the City gives one penny to this woman they need to have their fucking head checked.
It's almost as bad as the testimony of the cops who handled the Rich Bolling H&R/reckless homicide.
And we all know how embarrassing THAT testimony
was.
2/03/2012i 02:40:00 AM
Nice to see the scumbag lawyers have started to use this site to further their cases. SCC, it is a compliment to your blog that they do.
I can think of a dozen assholes I have worked with. Friends of politicians, so they were allowed to screw up again and again. We don't want them on the job either.
May 16, 2008 - Channel 7 interivew with Jim Avila:
Obrycka said she was shocked to learn that Abbate was a police officer, sworn to uphold the law on duty and off duty.
I thought vanecko was the gift that keeps giving?
OFF TOPIC
If you are a younger officer with a mortgage ( which may or may not be under water). The gubbmint has a new program called Harp 2.0 which starts in March. The main requirement is that your mortgage has to be owned by either fannie mae or freddie mac ( both fese which are in receivership). This program will refinance without an appraisal and is very, very generous as far as rates go. The 30yr will probably be just over 4% and the 15 should be in the 3s.
I know the mindset of the typical police officer ( retired from the job) but I also bought my retirement home with the 6500 tax credit and installed a new AC unit with the 1500 credit.
Please google " Harp 2.0" and go through the step to see if you qualify. If you do, probably save a few hundred a month on you mortgage.
old retired guy
The two coppers in question worked for me. They are two of the straightest Officers on this Department to the point that some would call them shakey. If that woman had told them that the offender was a copper there is no way that they would not have put that in the report. In addition I can guarantee you that they would have notified me. When I first heard about this and what they were being accused of and even disciplined for, even I was in shock at it inspite of how chickenshit this department is. These guys are so, good, so straight, so ethical that if I'm ever a victim of a crime, I want them to get the job because I know the job will be handled right. What happened to these guys and the wringer that they are going to be put through is a damn shame.
I have worked with a lot of dumb and ingorant Policemen over the years who always believed they can do NO wrong only later to put their "Tit in the ringer" and ssk why me I did nothing wrong! We as Policemen have the mentality that you have to cover for me BROTHER policeman, Wake up guys and gals in todays climate of high tech can somebody realy cover up anything? Cameras are EVERYWHERE, if not you know someone close by will be taping you. Can you really take the chance? Do you want to loose your job and possibly go to jail for some clown on the job you barely know! welfare of my family comes first NOT YOU!
Who's the asshole now?
2/03/2012 12:47:00 AM
I would say YOU for believing/spreading idiotic stories like that one.
A good defense Attorney would have broken that tape down frame by frame . It clearly shows that Abbate did not make contact with any punches other than to strike the shelves of the bar itself. If I remember correctly ,the barmaid was seen on video laughing after the incident.
Sorry twits, it's not REQUIRED to list what his JOB FUNCTION is on a general offense case report. That information is discovered automatically in the event the offender refuses to divulge whether he's a cop or not. So, SORRY, not indicating what his job is on a case report doesn't mean a fucking thing.
But it's handed out to the other side and the media by Emanuel so he can continue his police bashing unabated.
and the above fact being perfect proof it was an Emanuel plant...she ain't gonna get paid so what's the point?
Emanuel's scumbag stink all over this.
2:40am, the case report was too vague? Why would you go into alot of detail on a case report that all you have to go on for facts beyond the video are drunken patrons? This is a preliminary investigation, undoubtedly to be followed up by the dics. Let the dics follow up with these people when they are sober and not going to contradict everything they said the night before. No way you are a cop, the way you write (allegations and seems apparent)you are probably a lawyer or a reporter. Go chase an ambulance or interview a "victim's" mom in 007.
Adopted son of a retired captain.Looking for grease?
"it seems apparent that the responding/reporting officers left the report so vague as to appear that they were covering for a fellow officer; why they would do THAT
is anyone's guess,".....
It seems apparent, the great fucktard statement that really means "I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, so I'll just generalize so I sound like I do".
Listen up fucktardboy, the case report is a first investigator's tool. It AIN'T the investigation dipshit. That's what the DETECTIVES are there for. It's the DETECTIVE'S job to gather the entire story and put the ENTIRE story into one single supp which detailes EVERYTHING.
Since you aren't a fucking cop, I'll explain it to you so even an ignorant fuck can understand:
THE CASE REPORT DOCUMENTS WHAT HAPPENED, IE... HE HIT HER. END OF STORY.
It's not an in depth investigational tool dipshit, it's written to document the basics of what happened, the DICKS do the investigation asshat.
That fucking asshole changed the entire Chicago Police Department for a decade. After the incident, Cline was terminated and we ended up with two of the biggest assholes in law enforcement--Weis and McNutty.
I can read lips and when I watched the tape I could see him saying in between punches, "My name is Tony Abbate! I am a Chicago Police Officer! Make sure that gets left out of the report."
I will offer my services for a decent fee. I want a piece of the city too since I only got a 1% raise.
To 12:10:
First off you have no idea what your talking about. The dp bartender didn't know Abbates name, just that he may be a cop and it was third party information. Secondly the officers who took the report are two great guys and as straight as they come. Unless you were there, or know these two fine officers.... STFU Mush!!!
he was in charge of acosta's clown makeup kit.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!! Not many would know what you're talking about, but I do. Great one!!
So she blew through whatever settlement she got already and wants more? Is that how this reads to anyone else?
I am sure that she didn't know his name. But now listed she certainly has learned it, duh. What I hate the most from this scandal...is the lack of shame or regard from Abbate. It clearly shows that his parents did a poor job in raising him, he is a spoiled brat and wanting to come back to this job. His father needs to cut the money fund and understand the monster that he has raised.
So now this will give P.M. another excuse to feel sorry for himself. For some odd reason, he is very pessimistic.
Now as for this woman's accusation that the two R.O.'s didn't do a complete report is hogwash. P.M. always does a thorough investigation and always does a complete report.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Keep harping on who had him hired, but continue to ignore the 025 morons who omitted info to help him. We always end up our own worse enemies.
2/03/2012 12:10:00 AM
I work in 025. I know the two involved officers very well. There is no fucking way they would omit this vital piece of information.
"On Tuesday, the city filed answers to Obrycka’s claims"
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Ya know, I read the entire article and I still don't know what claims she is making exactly. Is she suing the city in a 1983 action?
A source from Polish Village (Belmont & Milwaukee) said that the bartender is here in the country illegally. In other words, she should be deported. But Chicago is a sanctuary city and so now she will be laughing her way to the bank.
Beside Abate, there's Burge & Lewellen. Interesting how this information keeps getting rehashed and how freely City Hall puts out this info. Yet it takes a lawsuit to get info out of City Hall to see what ShortShanks really spent on the Olympic Bid.
Another attempt by the Media to make us look like brutes.
Wait until G8. You're 15 minutes of fame is coming too.
Anyone see the new stars that we are getting?
Anonymous said...
Keep harping on who had him hired, but continue to ignore the 025 morons who omitted info to help him. We always end up our own worse enemies.
2/03/2012 12:10:00 AM
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Bravo!!!! My fucking hero!!!! You hit the nail on the head, we are our own worst enemies. Especially when we have Monday morning quarterback d-bags such as yourself coming on this blog and condemning officers, when you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. The two officers that showed up to this cluster are two of the most legit cops you would ever meet.
For the millionth time, NO, they had no idea he was a cop because even the bartender didn't know.
Please, I beg you! Turn off your parents computer and go back up to your room to play with your pet gerbils before you do any further polluting on this blog.
will she be deported?
Anonymous said...
SCC, your disgust, while understandable, is misplaced.
After reading the lengthy transcript of the allegations, it seems apparent that the responding/reporting officers left the report so vague as to appear that they were covering for a fellow officer; why they would do THAT
is anyone's guess, but what was left out of the report of the incident is indeed embarrassing.
It's almost as bad as the testimony of the cops who handled the Rich Bolling H&R/reckless homicide.
And we all know how embarrassing THAT testimony
was.
2/03/2012 02:40:00 AM
Oh great, another member of Mensa speaks out. The report probably seemed vague because it was probably the thousandth battery report these guys have written. When you get some time on the job kid, you won't write every report as if it were a novel. Plus, the bartender didn't say that fatass was a cop because she didn't know. At the most, a drunk at this dive bar said he thought the offender was a cop, but couldn't give a name. So the cops wrote the report and gave it to the detectives as usual.
Good for you that you read the transcripts Matlock. Maybe talk to somebody that was there instead, before you go off with your self-righteous opinions.
Karolina and her scumbag attorney Terry Ekl are going to milk the city tit for as much as they can.
2/03/2012 12:38:00 AM
I am no fan of attorneys, by any means, but all they do is present the facts to a jury and the jury rules. Give them the facts to work with, why would they not try to make money? it is the stupid actions of some that hurt others. The cover up is what kills us.
And the latest rumor is that Tony is (and has been) dating Karolina for years. This was an illustrious ruse orchestrated by both of these alcoholics to abscond with a hellafied payday.
Who's the asshole now?
2/03/2012 12:47:00 AM
I say bullshit to this.
The comments about this incident are about the same as those left in the Venecko incident. A lot of people claim they know the truth , but just cannot have two sets of truth. That is why a grand jury investigation on Venecko is needed.
Didnt the department try to stick it up the pos tails already regarding this incident?
If they werent clouted Im sure they have or will.....
Seriously..... Fuck all you Monday morning QB'S. They responded to a battery, no injuries, victim doesn't know offender or what he does for a living, witnesses don't say much. They watch the video and it's a unk M/2 who batters the bartender.... What the fuck else do you want in the report.... I'm sure all you criticizing these guys would of done soooooo much more with such little info. This is EXACTLY why this department SUCKS!!!!!!! How about backing these guys and mother fucking the real asshole here Abbate.
Yes, there's audio... We're does she EVER say it was a cop??? They treated her with respect and asked numerous times if she was ok and sure she didn't need an ambulance....
Sooooo AGAIN... All you on here bad mouth the guys for doing there job and can't see what bullshit this attorney is doing...
What a great department we've become
I think 1247 is on to something. Just recently I saw them together holding hands as they left the Quarry movie theater in Hodgkins. I couldnt place who she was at the time, but I KNOW it was Anthony. Her identity didnt dawn on me til I saw this. Shes put on a few pounds and her hair is shorter now but it was her 100%. Now the video makes sense, all the missed punches and what not. If the city was smart they'd have investigators looking into this.
Oh those pesky inmates....
KTLA News
11:39 p.m. CST, February 2, 2012
MONTPELIER, VT - Inmates working at a Vermont correctional unit's print shop managed to sneak a prank image of a pig into a state police crest.
The image is emblazoned on police cars, and 30 cruisers sported the design for the last year.
The official crest depicts a spotted cow against a background of snowy mountains. But the inmates' version featured one of the cow's spots shaped like a pig in an apparent reference to the pejorative word for police.
Vermont contracts with correctional facilities employing prisoners to make some print products, including the cruiser decals. Police said someone who works at the print shop changed the emblem from the officially sanctioned design.
A police employee noticed the prank on Wednesday and reported it. Police said the 60 16-inch door decals would be removed as soon as possible.
"While some may find humor in the decal modifications, the joke unfortunately comes at the expense of the taxpayers," Police Major Bill Sheets said in a statement.
Anyone who defends this idiot should jump off a building. Who cares if she gets paid. If that was your ol lady or daughter you'd be gold mining too. Disgusting when a big douche hits a woman like that. Just like the jerkoff in 8 a few years back that broke the face of a 5 foot 20something off duty at a yard party. Soundd like clout baby pussies that got picked on in school who are suddenly tough with a badge and a gun. I hope she gets paid whether she got hurt or not. N I've seen how coppers treat domestic suspects too. Just cuz he's blue don't mean he gets a mulligan.
seiser is el diablo said...
Not true,these officers had no idea this piece of shit was a cop.That idiot fucking bartender even stated in an interview with the trib that she didn't even know he was a cop.1 Doucebag who was to much of a pussy to help a lady said he maybe a cop to her but never said it to the po's.this is a case of this department blaming this on anyone it can.These po's are both princes and if you didnt know 1 of the po's involved already locked up a copper for dicing up his wife
2/03/2012 02:39:00 AM
Seiser will host his own G8 summit in 2013.
My original guess was they're in cahouts with each other. Settle for a few million,,easy retirement. Phony looking fight if I ever saw one. No one wants to be bounced off a cooler door, but a cooler door isn't made out of ashphalt or concrete, its' a stainless steel covering over a foam insulation. That gal would have been slaughter with a man really beating her of that size. Typical thieves, they really believe they're fooling the world.
When you don't see or know there is a video present of an incident, and the "victim" has no apparent injuries, it isn't much of a wonder that the case report isn't definitive about the circumstances, especially since Karolina was vague on the incident (until she got a lawyer). I heard she originally wanted the whole thing to just go away. I wonder, tho, where is that illusive "field lieutenant" that is to respond to licensed premises? Any Sgt. there either? I'm not passing the buck, but if you're going to investigate the entire police response to an incident, don't leave anybody out.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-30000-for-cop-who-accused-boss-of-using-religious-ethnic-slurs-20120201,0,3016458.story
Channel 32 featured a private security force which is said to assist CPD during G8.
Do you think the Chicago sheeple will get we don't have enough CPD?
"It's almost as bad as the testimony of the cops who handled the Rich Bolling H&R/reckless homicide.And we all know how embarrassing THAT testimony was".
Fuck! "Officer" B.S. was a useless piece of shit from the beginning. She was always sick and taking time off. She even slammed the fucking door on her own hand. She never should have been hired!
An Howie and the Academy belittle returning military vets by stating that 'some of you guys are crazy'. Well just look at Crazy Howie-Chicago's finest. stop thinking your military cops are the nutty ones. Look in the mirror. Ask How the fuk did this guy get hired. He became an instant ass when he got his star? No We hire and train trash. That's what happens when you have people incharge of the academy with no background in training.
O.T. From today's Suntimes
Editorial: Crime-fighting and humility best go hand in hand
Editorials
Crimes rates are like the weather. You have to study the ups and down over a long time, at least several years, before you can claim any kind of an important trend.
Veteran police officers know this. That’s why they usually are slow to credit good police work for any short-term drop in crime rates, especially murder. If they grab the credit now, they know, they’ll have to accept the blame later when crime rates climb back up, which inevitably they will, at least in the short run.
Mayor Rahm Emanuel is new to this game. Maybe that’s why his administration, in a real rookie mistake, made a fuss less than two weeks ago when there were no shootings or murders in the city for a full 24 hours.
“This is clearly the result of the tremendous police work of the men and women of the Chicago Police Department,” Emanuel’s new police superintendent, Garry McCarthy, said then.
Emanuel got great press for that one.
But now the tide has turned. According to the latest figures, Chicago in January (even given that one quiet day) actually suffered a 53.8 percent jump in murders, with 40 as of midday Monday compared to 26 for the same period last year.
And are the cops taking the blame? Not that we can see.
Nor do we think they should.
Our guess is that the jump in murders had more to do with the unseasonably warm weather last month, encouraging more goofs with guns to get outdoors, than with anything the police did or did not do.
Emanuel and McCarthy are understandably eager to seize on any evidence that their new police strategies are working, especially given criticism from many rank-and-file officers that the Police Department is undermanned.
But they surely know what really drives crime — social woes such as unemployment, family dysfunction, drugs, poor schools and the like — and they surely know the limits of what even the best police force can do.
A little less bragging would be in order.
Don't worry about 025. They'll soon close it down and let 013 take over.
Let it go people. You never made a mistake in your life!
If she was your daughter/wife/girlfriend or whatever, you'd want her to get every nickel that she could. My only beef is that every nickel should come out of Abbate's pocket.
As far as the officers hiding him in the report (if that's true), good try, but you made a decision, one that a lot of us might have made. But sometimes you have to accept that when you roll the dice they come up craps. I'll be first in line to buy a benefit ticket for the officers.
Finally, to anyone who finds it in their brain to even remotely front for this jag off? On the first day of "man class 101" they teach you they you don't hit girls. Ever.
27 yoj
OT--
Good job, looks like all 4 in custody from bank job in 016, they fled down into 025.
Typical police work with "descriptions so vague as to be useless," right, Krauter or whatever on WBBM? >snicker<
Send him up there to sniff the rooftops...
Off the Topic But...
America's Most Miserable Cities, 2012 according to Forbes magazine
1. Miami
2. Detroit
3. Flint Mi
4. West Palm beach Fl
5. Sacramento Ca
6. CHICAGO
7. Fort Lauderdale FL
8. Toledo OH
9. Rockford IL
10.Warren MI
I bet we move up a few notches after G8 and then bloody summer we are going to have....
OT Question:
Whats up with 018/001 Cops in Gold Coast/Loop?
I was in a Loading Zone on Dearborn today dropping off my Dry Cleaning...
Maybe inside all of 5-7 minutes.
Came out to find a Curb Loading Zone violation (9-64-160(b) )for $60.
At what Point did the downtown districts start being Mouth breathers with their parker book?
Off Topic But Real Important....
In our unit all of our ancient computers were going haywire.
It could very well be that the CPD systems are being aggressively hacked by the anarchists and occupiers in preparation the May Disaster.
Suggestion to everyone, limit your use of department computers for everything.
Suggestion to the department, why bother you never listen to anyone who makes sense.
This also begs the question:
How do the OCCUPY offenders get P.O.s information to splash all over the internet after they make a mess of a city or college?
They are already here, more are coming every day and will do this come the May Disaster.
Don't make it easy for them.
GOOGLE yourself and you may be amazed at how many times you show up and on websites you may not have thought of.
When signing up for something, unless you absolutely have to do not list your employer as the Chicago Police Department.
Better than a non-published landline home phone number ($1.50 a month fee) is to list it in a phony name and without an address.
Get a Post Office Box, and send everything you can to it, magazine subscriptions, vehicle registrations, cell phone bills.
When you get those "Privacy Policy" notices from your banks or credit card companies respond and tell them you want your information withheld for all inquiries.
The City of Chicago, the
CPD, the Credit Union, the FOP and PB&PA right now should be doing an information lockdown so hackers can't get our information. It would also be a great benefit if all banks that we have direct deposit with were notified to do the same.
Stay Safe, there are a lot more things you can do. Don’t make it easy for the bad guys.
My 5'2" daughter works in a restaurant-bar and I used the WHOLE Abate video as a teaching tool for her. They never show the whole video where he is leaving the bar; she goes after him as he is almost at the door.
She runs up behind him, no audio, but that's when he turns around and that is what people see.
There is no excuse for what he did but she was stupid for what she did.
What I have told my daughter in no uncertain terms when drunken asshole is headed for the door LET HIM GO. Lock the door and call 9-1-1.
off topic 013 3rd watch lt. s. strikes again
In my opinion, this incident has brought much more damage to the CPD, than any other incident.
Here are my conclusions. This incident brought about J-Fed. J-Fed, chased away many good bosses. J-Fed, brought about our current superintendent. Now look who we have as a leader in May.
Need I say more.
I work with all four officers who responded. I know them quite well and feel it necessary to come on here and defend them. If you don't know them, shut your mouth and quit talking as if they covered something up because they didn't. The officers involved had no idea and she didn't either. If they would have known, there is no way in hell they would have covered it up. They would have called for a supervisor and did whatever they had to do to perform their job. She is lying in an attempt to get a bigger payout from the city and unfortunately, everyone is attempting to blame the poor officers. If you want to blame someone, blame the white shirts who knew this idiot was a time bomb and did nothing about it. Don't you dare blame four guys who are good, solid, honest police officers and good people.
The officers involved in this mess, are two of the best with whom I ever worked in a 32 year career. These are the guys you want coming to your house, if you need the police. Why we are so quick to criticize our own, when we weren't on the scene, and don't know the entire story, baffles me. In times such as these, we need to come together and become more cohesive. Making wild, unsubstantiated allegations about fellow officers is counter productive, even if it only on this blog. Rick Sherman, now retired.
Yet Cook Co. States Atty Alvarez doesn't think there's no coincidence RJ Vanecko didn't come forward and talk to police about his name being on missing police reports and States Atty notifications that may or may not have indicated he was related to Daley. No corruption here.
Maybe Abbate should have shaved his mophead.
If this was about a botched, lying, deceiving cover up clusterfck of an investigation, what would the Kochman case be called?
This bank job was a couple of weeks ago, but you have to check out the jail photo of one of the suspects, Brian Stancliff.
Face tattoos, eyes almost crossed; the very poster child of 69-mean-IQ, XYY-chromosome, idiot criminality.
To The Jailhouse Born.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2087149/Lauri-L-Ruble-Illinois-mother-accused-taking-son-5-bank-robbery.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Here's what I thought back when this all first happened (I'm not a cop):
Aside from this case I *never* hear about this sort of incident, especially not one ending up in a CPD officer actually getting in Abbate-level trouble. That tells me the only reason Abbate actually got in trouble is that there happened to be a camera around to keep everyone honest.
In turn, that means there must be dozens of incidents like this one where no camera happened to be around, and therefore the whole thing got whitewashed or dropped by the prosecutors.
Surely no one would claim that the majority of bad behavior by CPD officers, when it happens, is caught on camera.
That's the degree to which the Abbate incident damaged my trust in the CPD. It wasn't about this individual case, but rather about the fact that this one incident seems likely to be the tip of an ugly iceberg where cameras miss the 90% below the water surface.
Now, I still generally trust and like the CPD. I have a friend on the force (not super-close) and he is one of the nicest, most public-minded people I know. But the whole thing definitely altered my perception of the force.
Cops are people and people sometimes do dumb things or bad things. If I don't hear about these problems occurring, I conclude they are being covered up The privileged position of police officers in our society makes that an especially egregious betrayal of the public trust.
So there's an odd conclusion for you: I would trust the CPD and prosecutor's office *more* if I heard about *more* of these kinds of incidents, particularly ones *not* involving cameras.
>>On the first day of "man class 101" they teach you they you don't hit girls. Ever.<<
Not true.... as soon as a woman hits me she is no longer a woman.
"will she be deported?"
No, but you ought to, preferably to Afghanistan where you can have a meaningful relationship with a teenage boy or a male goat.
I hear Rock Hudson beat his wife. I'll bet you do too, and for exactly the same reason.
Sgt. Saunders said...
The two coppers in question worked for me. They are two of the straightest Officers on this Department to the point that some would call them shakey. If that woman had told them that the offender was a copper there is no way that they would not have put that in the report. In addition I can guarantee you that they would have notified me. When I first heard about this and what they were being accused of and even disciplined for, even I was in shock at it inspite of how chickenshit this department is. These guys are so, good, so straight, so ethical that if I'm ever a victim of a crime, I want them to get the job because I know the job will be handled right. What happened to these guys and the wringer that they are going to be put through is a damn shame.
2/03/2012 07:15:00 AM
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Then, turn them on to this post:
May 16, 2008 - Channel 7 interivew with Jim Avila:
Obrycka said she was shocked to learn that Abbate was a police officer, sworn to uphold the law on duty and off duty.
2/03/2012 05:30:00 AM
Hennesey Wiliams(Ghetto playwright) stood upon his altar and gazed in wonderment at the august company that was seated before him.
On the old tire was his best friend, Rum Bottle Jackson. On the milkcrate was his woo-woo ,Ikea Aldi Zayre-Smith(pronounced smiff). Next to her on the shopping cart, Thunderbird Jefferson.
He thought of how this power was his Sword of Damascus. Always steadfast, Hennessey began to preach about Po-lice brutality and the Abatte incident;
"Fo sho and seven beers ago, I hads a dreamsicle, one small step for brother-man...He continued on for several minutes. During the high points of his speech, Ikea Aldi Zayre-Smith had spasmodic like head swivelling going on. These seizures were sprinkled with several, unh hunh's and you rights.
When he reached the apogee of his speech, the roar of an ambulance(pronounced bambalans) crept closer. Louder and louder it came until Hennessey could'nt hear himself. The ambulances siren song took the gathered crowds attention away. He could almost hear Thunderbird say, "Oh, that shiny!"
Knowing his friends had about a fourth grade education and the attention span of a three year old, he abrubtly stopped.
How could he compete with loud noise, sparkling lights and a shiny paint job?
Hennessey walked away disquiet,and his friends never even knew he had strutted away.
Anonymous said...
I may be wrong, but I could swear that I saw her interviewed on the "O'Reilly Factor," back when this shit first hit the fan. Almost positive that the bartender in an interview on the show stated that she didn't know Abbonte was a cop at the time. Any way to find the footage to see if I'm wrong or right?
2/03/2012 12:49:00 AM
I remember the same thing, she said she didn't know who he was....
OT --
They say the Facebook IPO is going to create hundreds of instant millionaires; Calif. real estate firm hopes to hire HUNDREDS of new real estate agents to sell huge, ugly computer-designed McMansions, luxury car dealers also gearing up.
Face-what? Blink and it's gone.
We used to make steel in this country. Now this. The Luftmensch. Out of thin air, he makes a living...
A good defense Attorney would have broken that tape down frame by frame . It clearly shows that Abbate did not make contact with any punches other than to strike the shelves of the bar itself. If I remember correctly ,the barmaid was seen on video laughing after the incident.
2/03/2012 08:15:00 AM
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She wasn't just laughing; she was jumping up and down, smiling and laughing, pumping her arms in the air like in the Rocky movies.
Funny, how the news stations stopped showing THAT part of the tape only a few days after the incident.
TV now, bank robbed this afternoon, was Chase at 4800 W. Irving, suspects also may have been in at least one other robbery...
OT Question:
Whats up with 018/001 Cops in Gold Coast/Loop?
I was in a Loading Zone on Dearborn today dropping off my Dry Cleaning...
Maybe inside all of 5-7 minutes.
Came out to find a Curb Loading Zone violation (9-64-160(b) )for $60.
At what Point did the downtown districts start being Mouth breathers with their parker book?
2/03/2012 03:11:00 PM
Hope getting your bullet-proof brassiere starched and pressed was worth the ticket, Hondo.
A source from Polish Village (Belmont & Milwaukee) said that the bartender is here in the country illegally. In other words, she should be deported. But Chicago is a sanctuary city and so now she will be laughing her way to the bank.
2/03/2012 09:53:00 AM
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I heard the same thing on one of the earliest news reports on the story. Was wondering what happened about her being a criminal and being in the country illegally. Obviously, nothing happened. Deport her and her settlement.
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Anyone who defends this idiot should jump off a building. Who cares if she gets paid. If that was your ol lady or daughter you'd be gold mining too. Disgusting when a big douche hits a woman like that. Just like the jerkoff in 8 a few years back that broke the face of a 5 foot 20something off duty at a yard party. Soundd like clout baby pussies that got picked on in school who are suddenly tough with a badge and a gun. I hope she gets paid whether she got hurt or not. N I've seen how coppers treat domestic suspects too. Just cuz he's blue don't mean he gets a mulligan.
2/03/2012 11:03:00 AM
SHE WAS NOT INJURED. Go Occupy something.
>..MONTPELIER, VT - Inmates working at a Vermont correctional unit's print shop managed to sneak a prank image of a pig into a state police crest.
The image is emblazoned on police cars, and 30 cruisers sported the design for the last year.
A police employee noticed the prank on Wednesday and reported it. Police said the 60 16-inch door decals would be removed as soon as possible.
"While some may find humor in the decal modifications, the joke unfortunately comes at the expense of the taxpayers," Police Major Bill Sheets said in a statement.
2/03/2012 10:56:00 AM..<
Heck, If I were one of those cops I'd buy the whole damn door and hang it on the wall of my bar at home.
Remember, "PIG!" which you will hear often during the May Disaster stands for...
PRIDE INTEGRITY GUTS
Signed,
Old enough to remember '68, but not much else
Anonymous said...
OT Question:
Whats up with 018/001 Cops in Gold Coast/Loop?
I was in a Loading Zone on Dearborn today dropping off my Dry Cleaning...
Maybe inside all of 5-7 minutes.
Came out to find a Curb Loading Zone violation (9-64-160(b) )for $60.
At what Point did the downtown districts start being Mouth breathers with their parker book?
2/03/2012 03:11:00 PM
Holy shit, same thing happened to me few weeks ago. I parked in a loading zone, put on the flashers, went in to pick up a pizza and came out 5 minutes later and a fucking dick head from 018 wrote me a ticket. Are their brains so filled with hair gel that they don't know what a loading zone is? Maybe they can't tell time? Can't read the signs?
My guess is it's a lazy piece of shit that needs to get his parkers and he says screw it, i'll just let them contest it. Assholes.
hey second city.you need to do a post on this. the group anonymous,sent out a message to you tube ,today to blitz chgo the whole month of may. they already hacked the boston pd. and others as a test run. the city has no clue what is about to hit. the head of national security stated'' there will be a major hack and default. chgo you are in trouble.
I know both of the PO's. I am involved in this case. I gave my deposition at Elk's office and learned the problem is ...... they did not notify their supervisor to an incident in a licensed establishment. That's what Ekl's is hanging his hat on. Police procedures..
4:26 PM:
Out of respect for those courageous police officers who run towards gunfire and into harm's way in the most honorable traditions of the CPD, kindly refer to that yellow-bellied rat cocksucker as J-FLED. (Don't omit the "L")
Otherwise, no doubt that scumbag Anthony Abbate brought untold disgrace to the CPD.
CHUCK GOUDIE MUST HAVE MISSED READING THE BLOG TODAY...
or didn't get the OK from Rahm to talk about this...
" Anonymous said...
Off Topic But Real Important....
In our unit all of our ancient computers were going haywire.
It could very well be that the CPD systems are being aggressively hacked by the anarchists and occupiers in preparation the May Disaster. ...
(Thing to Do List)
Stay Safe, there are a lot more things you can do. Don’t make it easy for the bad guys.
2/03/2012 03:40:00 PM"
Goudie's BIG scoop investigation showed video of the hacker criminals called Anonymous on how they have hacked police websites all over the world.
He played video of the threats of how they will come to Chicago for the whole month of May to occupy the parks and lock the city down.
But! According to Goudie, Anonymous has not hacked OUR websites. BULLSHIT!
All day yesterday our computers were going haywire. Shutting down, making arrest reports, ARIA reports and TRRs difficult, time consuming and some times making them disappear into cyber space.
How much of our personal information, names, addresses S.S. numbers have these criminals been able to steal because Daley and Rahm have been running this department on the cheap. They haven't been upgrading software, training or hardware. These Anonymous criminals advocate burning cops home down. The Daley-Vanecko-Emanuel Criminals just don't care until it cost them.
I saw the ufc at the united center and noticed that professional fighters get punched in the face with gloves and get swollen eyes. I didn't see marks or bruises on this young lady's face...and he's a pretty big boy. Were there any injuries? As for a cover-up, an arrest was made right? Tony was off duty and not representing the PD correct? I would like to know what information is contained in the lawsuit that makes the city liable.
OMG! How Many Ways Can This One Go South?
HEADLINE:
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It's estimated that as many as 500 homes could be rehabbed and sold to new owners. Qualified buyers will get $10,000 grants to help with down payment and closing costs. They also will receive financial counseling to prevent the home from going back into foreclosure.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics
/clout/chi-quinn-preckwinkle-team-up-on-foreclosure-program-20120203,0,4986815.story
How can we fleece thee?
Let me count the ways!
1- Over pay for the properties;
2- Hire connected but unqualified construction companies;
3- Companies pad expense acct and use substandard materials and cut corners;
4- Screening for loans done by Revruns rather than professionals;
5- Properties are turned over to unqualified, irresponsible buyers with nothing to lose so no real connection or emotional attachment to the property;
6- A real possibility that these homes will need to be repeatedly foreclosed on again and again;
7- Homes are likely to be handed over to illegal invaders who could be legitimately deported causing ANOTHER foreclosure;
8- Will banks hold ANY responsibility for failed loans?
Again, what could possibly go wrong?
HEY MAYOR!!
Look out your window. You're driving 74 year old lawyers to jump to their deaths. That's something to be proud of eh?
Pay no attention to that though. We need to get these speed trap cameras in to get that money.
Keep harping on who had him hired, but continue to ignore the 025 morons who omitted info to help him. We always end up our own worse enemies.
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We create what we fear. Funny how it all ties together and each of our actions contribute to those things no?
Rick Sherman,
You are correct, sir. 100%.
The city moved to fire these police officers?
Insanity.
February 3, 1959--fifty-three years ago this morning in a plane crash in a snow-covered corn field outside of Clear Lake, Iowa.
Buddy Holly
Ritchie Valens
J.P. "The Big Bopper" Richardson
@ 2/03/2012 03:11:00 PM
Blame the businesses in Chicago that treat those loading zones like private parking. The valet companies are to blame for it as well.
Orders from each of the districts are to drop the hammer until they learn to behave or they get the loading zone changed to a standing zone...city wide.
And I heard today from a friend that revenue is
Doing it as well.
Eckl is always trying to concoct some police cover up. He is taking advantage of the fuck ups in the Bolling DUI trial to trying to parlay it into a payday to make money where there is no money to be made.
O-K---here's what we do. We change the numbers on all the districts. 025 becomes the new 015. On the night of the next full moon we hold a 'seance' in the parking lot to summon up the spirit of old Commander Sanford Neal. Floating through the mist he will tell the young unhappy officers how to survive, and live a happy life.
Who in their right mind would try to help this criminal. He's not the police, he never was.
OT. It happened again. Crazy 13th district Lt DS was accused of battering a PO. The CR was initiated. It's about time someone in this department takes care of this goof before another incident occurs Enough is enough
This mutt had to be a very well connected asshol to only get probation for his assault on the barmaid. This guy was an out of control drunk. Th many suffer for the few.
2/03/2012 05:10:00 AM
He has a felony conviction on his record. He lost his job and pension. If that means he's connected, Id rather not be connected
Karolina and her scumbag attorney Terry Ekl are going to milk the city tit for as much as they can. 2/03/2012 12:38:00 AM
I am no fan of attorneys, by any means, but all they do is present the facts to a jury and the jury rules. Give them the facts to work with, why would they not try to make money? it is the stupid actions of some that hurt others.
Thank you for stating the obvious. I know attorneys serve a purpose. I'm just stating Terry Ekl is an asshole and has atrack record to back that up.
11:59:00
Bing-Bong!!
Licensed Premise Investigations have to be signed off by LT or above. Who is being proteced by media, and News Affairs Unit here?
(OT) G8/nato and this! Yes Watson the "perfect storm,"
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/israel-warns-us-jews-iran-strike/story?id=15506257
What I have told my daughter in no uncertain terms when drunken asshole is headed for the door LET HIM GO. Lock the door and call 9-1-1.
2/03/2012 03:59:00 PM
If she does that, how will you ever become a grandfather?
Good for you Eli. Put that bully DS in his place. This guy is a lunatic and should be institutionalized
Keep harping on who had him hired, but continue to ignore the 025 morons who omitted info to help him. We always end up our own worse enemies.
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We create what we fear. Funny how it all ties together and each of our actions contribute to those things no?
2/03/2012 07:32:00 PM
no.
you're both idiots.
Hennessey walked away disquiet,and his friends never even knew he had strutted away.
2/03/2012 04:55:00 PM
i know you.
you're the guy that can make a chicken cry.
No, but you ought to, preferably to Afghanistan where you can have a meaningful relationship with a teenage boy or a male goat.
I hear Rock Hudson beat his wife. I'll bet you do too, and for exactly the same reason.
2/03/2012 04:52:00 PM
are you knocking on my door?
Chalkie
So there's an odd conclusion for you: I would trust the CPD and prosecutor's office *more* if I heard about *more* of these kinds of incidents, particularly ones *not* involving cameras.
2/03/2012 04:48:00 PM
the only thing odd here is your 'thought process', which, by the way, may very well be an oxymoron.
How true is it that our new stars have GPS tracking in them? Look how thick the backs are and the stars are the same.
We create what we fear. Funny how it all ties together and each of our actions contribute to those things no?
2/03/2012 07:32:00 PM
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Uh, NO.
Anonymous said...
O-K---here's what we do. We change the numbers on all the districts. 025 becomes the new 015. On the night of the next full moon we hold a 'seance' in the parking lot to summon up the spirit of old Commander Sanford Neal. Floating through the mist he will tell the young unhappy officers how to survive, and live a happy life.
2/03/2012 08:16:00 PM
Sanford Neal? How about Mark Thanasouras? He surely can't tell anyone how to survive.
.......It happened again. Crazy 13th district Lt DS was accused of battering a PO. The CR was initiated. It's about time someone in this department takes care of this goof before another incident occurs Enough is enough.
B.S. no one whats to make a legit complaint. What has the commander done to address this problem? What has the XO done about it? I'd say nothing.
2/03/2012 04:48:00 PM
There are cameras at 99% of the bars in this city you dick head. If you think somebody getting shit faced and doing something stupid is portraying the public's trust then you need to go back to reality. Abbate is not on the job anymore and probably is no longer a police officer. You want to lump me and 99.9% of my co workers into you fantasy world of rogue cops immune to all law because of some fat jagoff did something stupid then go fuck yourself. If Abbate wasn't on camera, Abbate wouldn't have been convicted of shit. Do you know why? He never touched the girl. That is the key element of battery. No video abbate pleads to mis assault and he goes on with the police department. Be glad this shit broke the way it did and he is gone, but don't you dare act like you know who the fuck I'am and what kind of person I'am.
And...isn't she here...Illegally???
I'd really like to know what her status is, or was. If she was here illegally (and I am NOT supporting ABBATTE or any of his actions) she should have been deported.
Don't you dare blame four guys who are good, solid, honest police officers and good people.
2/03/2012 04:26:00 PM
This comment goes for the vast majority of the members of the Chicago Police Department. Proud to know many and proud to have been one of them for 34 years. It was and is a great job, despite every effort of the political class to trash it .
Brian Kaybee said...
Here's what I thought back when this all first happened (I'm not a cop):
Aside from this case I *never* hear about this sort of incident, especially not one ending up in a CPD officer actually getting in Abbate-level trouble. That tells me the only reason Abbate actually got in trouble is that there happened to be a camera around to keep everyone honest.
In turn, that means there must be dozens of incidents like this one where no camera happened to be around, and therefore the whole thing got whitewashed or dropped by the prosecutors.
Surely no one would claim that the majority of bad behavior by CPD officers, when it happens, is caught on camera.
That's the degree to which the Abbate incident damaged my trust in the CPD. It wasn't about this individual case, but rather about the fact that this one incident seems likely to be the tip of an ugly iceberg where cameras miss the 90% below the water surface.
Now, I still generally trust and like the CPD. I have a friend on the force (not super-close) and he is one of the nicest, most public-minded people I know. But the whole thing definitely altered my perception of the force.
Cops are people and people sometimes do dumb things or bad things. If I don't hear about these problems occurring, I conclude they are being covered up The privileged position of police officers in our society makes that an especially egregious betrayal of the public trust.
So there's an odd conclusion for you: I would trust the CPD and prosecutor's office *more* if I heard about *more* of these kinds of incidents, particularly ones *not* involving cameras.
2/03/2012 04:48:00 PM
To Brian: You labelled me and the rest of my co-workers in blue as doing bad and getting it swept under the rug because it wasn't caught on camera. Well should I label you and the rest of your hairstylist co-workers as being homosexual just because I was getting a haircut(Im a male) and one of your male co-workers began touching and rubbing my inner thigh, licking my ear and blowing kisses at me? No that wouldn't be fair would it. This story is only sarcasm but maybe you get the point. Don't label all cops because of one fatass asshole.
Ya know, I read the entire article and I still don't know what claims she is making exactly. Is she suing the city in a 1983 action?
2/03/2012 09:49:00 AM
No, I think it was filed in 2011 or 2012.
did'nt her boyfriend get arrested for beating her
"If she does that, how will you ever become a grandfather?
2/03/2012 10:14:00 PM"
I told her if she marries a cop I'd disown her. Keep going to school and find a nice doctor.
2/03/2012 04:48:00 PM
There are cameras at 99% of the bars in this city you dick head. If you think somebody getting shit faced and doing something stupid is portraying the public's trust then you need to go back to reality. Abbate is not on the job anymore and probably is no longer a police officer. You want to lump me and 99.9% of my co workers into you fantasy world of rogue cops immune to all law because of some fat jagoff did something stupid then go fuck yourself. If Abbate wasn't on camera, Abbate wouldn't have been convicted of shit. Do you know why? He never touched the girl. That is the key element of battery. No video abbate pleads to mis assault and he goes on with the police department. Be glad this shit broke the way it did and he is gone, but don't you dare act like you know who the fuck I'am and what kind of person I'am.
2/04/2012 01:27:00 AM
I do not know Abatte and never met him, but you are exactly correct. If these fools would put their hysteria aside and watch the video with a critical eye, they would see the truth.
Yes, he was out of bounds with his actions, but he never connected. The bartender has no lasting physical injuries. She was not maimed, crippled or physically disfigured. The blurred vision and nightmares are all bullshit for her lawsuit.
Besides, she was foolish to block and put her hands on a raging bull in the first place. She initiated the physical contact. All she had to do was stay safely back and call 911. Think about it.
Why did she step in front of him and not just call 911? Because she is one conniving woman and she knew there was a chance she could make some money.
How could she think that fast you might ask? When you are constantly looking for a scheme to make your life easier, you do not have to think about it much. When you have evil intent in your heart and the right circumstances are unfolding in front of you, there is not a second thought. CHA-CHING is all those type of people hear.
Abatte acted like a jerk, but he got a bad deal at the hands of the bartender.
Please!!! You want the Commander of 013 to take a stand. It would be the very first time he took a stand in regards to anything pertaining to law enforcement. He prefers to be an ostritch whith his head up or in someone's ---! "Jellyfish Frank"
If she was your daughter/wife/girlfriend or whatever, you'd want her to get every nickel that she could. My only beef is that every nickel should come out of Abbate's pocket.
As far as the officers hiding him in the report (if that's true), good try, but you made a decision, one that a lot of us might have made. But sometimes you have to accept that when you roll the dice they come up craps. I'll be first in line to buy a benefit ticket for the officers.
Finally, to anyone who finds it in their brain to even remotely front for this jag off? On the first day of "man class 101" they teach you they you don't hit girls. Ever.
27 yoj
2/03/2012 01:27:00 PM
You are a first-class asshole prone to civilian hysteria. Turn in your star.
32 yoj
An Howie and the Academy belittle returning military vets by stating that 'some of you guys are crazy'. Well just look at Crazy Howie-Chicago's finest. stop thinking your military cops are the nutty ones. Look in the mirror. Ask How the fuk did this guy get hired. He became an instant ass when he got his star? No We hire and train trash. That's what happens when you have people incharge of the academy with no background in training.
2/03/2012 12:44:00 PM
Howie Lodding is not a military veteran and he doesn't even have a formal education beyond high school. He made sergeant and lieutenant before the educational requirements were attached. Also, Howie was never and can never be a captain, if demoted from ADS, because he has no degree, but he can be an ADS in charge of the department's educational arm. How does that make sense? Plus, on top of no education, he is mentally deficient. Talk to him for even a few seconds and you will learn he is a dolt. He must have a heavy, heavy clout in the city that works only backroom deals.
2/03/2012 03:11:00 PM
Holy shit, same thing happened to me few weeks ago. I parked in a loading zone, put on the flashers, went in to pick up a pizza and came out 5 minutes later and a fucking dick head from 018 wrote me a ticket. Are their brains so filled with hair gel that they don't know what a loading zone is? Maybe they can't tell time? Can't read the signs?
My guess is it's a lazy piece of shit that needs to get his parkers and he says screw it, i'll just let them contest it. Assholes.
2/03/2012 06:03:00 PM
The reason is there is so much wide spread abuse of the Loading Zones and Standing Zones that certain districts and Revenue have been instructed to send a message.
The PO's and PEA's have been instructed issue Curb Loading Zone tickets in all areas : south of North Ave, North of Roosevelt, East of Halsted.
The Requirement is that Passenger plated vehicles must display an ICC permit to be in them at all.
For those douchebags defending Abbate, saying that it wasn't really battery since the punches supposedly didn't connect, lets imagine the following scenario. A gangbanger comes after a cop with fists swinging. None of the punches actually connect. Should he still be charged with battery to an officer?
For those douchebags defending Abbate, saying that it wasn't really battery since the punches supposedly didn't connect, lets imagine the following scenario. A gangbanger comes after a cop with fists swinging. None of the punches actually connect. Should he still be charged with battery to an officer?
2/04/2012 10:15:00 PM
As far as the ILCS, are you equating a bartender with a firefighter, police officer, medical personnel, teacher, senior, etcetera? You are an idiot.
2/03/2012 01:27:00 PM
You are a first-class asshole prone to civilian hysteria. Turn in your star.
32 you
++++++++++++++++++++
Ok, your 5 more years gives you much better insight on things. My point was that IF (IF) the officers attempted to cover up for the big fat jagoff, then they might have to live with the consequences of that decision. According to many people on here who know the officers, that did not happen, and good. I'd hate to see anyone else take a hit over this goof.
My overall point was that over my time I've seen a lot of people fuck up. The common thread when shit happens is that "it's not my fault". If it's a mistake out of honest effort, then take the correction and move on. If it's something done with the full knowledge that it is wrong or illegal, then as I said, you roll the dice.
We may not agree on this, but stay safe out there brother.
Tony was off duty and not representing the PD correct? I would like to know what information is contained in the lawsuit that makes the city liable.
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I think the lawyers are using the level of very special treatment he got in the aftermath as a ploy. If he was not a cop it would have gone a lot different for him.
In any case, how does one get past the 24/7 on duty thing. It is either true or not true. If one is more or less on duty all the time, than there is some level of responsibility that the city has for his "off duty" conduct. There is just no way around that.
They are either going to have to repudiate off duty cops entirely, or pay up quietly. I bet they pay.
"As far as the ILCS, are you equating a bartender with a firefighter, police officer, medical personnel, teacher, senior, etcetera? You are an idiot."
Ok, I get it. It's ok to stomp bartenders, especially female bartenders.
Your turban too tight Osama?
Ok, I get it. It's ok to stomp bartenders, especially female bartenders.
Your turban too tight Osama?
2/05/2012 07:15:00 PM
I challenge you to show where I stated it was okay to stomp a bartender. You will not be able to find it because I never wrote it, but you made up a lie and used it as a smoke screen because you cannot attack the facts. Why? Because your vision is blinded by a bloodlust. You are not satisfied that he has a felony conviction and he lost his job and he lost his pension. Crawl back into your hole, Occupy Idiot.
As far as the ILCS, are you equating a bartender with a firefighter, police officer, medical personnel, teacher, senior, etcetera? You are an idiot.
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just why is it worse to strike one of the specially protected people in the law than a bartender? or a lawyer? or anyone else not in the long list of people IL apparently considers more important than the rest of us.
"For those douchebags defending Abbate, saying that it wasn't really battery since the punches supposedly didn't connect, lets imagine the following scenario. A gangbanger comes after a cop with fists swinging. None of the punches actually connect. Should he still be charged with battery to an officer?"
No. Without contact, it is an assault, not battery.
just why is it worse to strike one of the specially protected people in the law than a bartender? or a lawyer? or anyone else not in the long list of people IL apparently considers more important than the rest of us.
2/06/2012 10:24:00 AM
That huge chip on your shoulder must be quite tiring to carry around with you.
Regardless, there is a provision in the law that applies when a public servant is victimized during the performance of their official duties. Variations are on the books in all 50 states.
Furthermore, rarely does a bartender or a lawyer, while in the performance of their official duties, run towards danger and possible death in order to save the life of a fellow citizen as would a police officer, firefighter and medical personnel.
And if you object to a specific provision in the law that protects a teacher or a senior citizen or a mentally-challenged individual, you are a bigger idiot than previously suspected.
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