Wednesday, June 13, 2012

Why Aren't They Digging?

This came to us via e-mail.

A website called "JohnWayneGacyNews" has a bunch of videos and interviews of retired cops with a whole bunch of unanswered questions concerning the Gacy serial killings.

We know a lot of people might think, "Gacy's dead. He was executed years ago." True. But a lot of victims may not have been found and their families deserve some closure. That's what we're supposed to do, right? Solve crimes, find people, close cases.

Via this website, a lot of info regarding a property on northwest side that Gacy used to be a caretaker for, is raising enough questions that an extensive dig for bodies shouldn't be out of the question.

One of the persons running the website is a former editor for The Reader, which gives the info a better ring of credibility than we'd otherwise give it. They interview some former CPD detectives and neighbors with interesting stories to tell. Go peruse the website.

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39 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's very likely there are more bodies at the Elston & Miami location.

It's right in line what a serial killer would do.

Herman Mudgett a.k.a H.H. Holmes, also a Chicago resident and reported to be responsible for between 20 & 200 killings; and believed to be the first identified serial killer, disposed of bodies by multiple means and in multiple places.

I can only surmise the foot dragging is due to priorities and money is tight (not that I agree with that).

Why the Cook County Police dug exactly where a whitness explicitly stated not to is strange.

As the CPD Det. says in the blog video, they didn't want to find more bodies, why?

-not a cop

6/13/2012 12:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's a multi unit property on north elston, they did ground penetrating radar 2yrs ago which produced zilch. Time to move on.

6/13/2012 02:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it April 1st again?

6/13/2012 02:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This could make Tom Dart look really good, or really bad... LOL

6/13/2012 02:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why not just make a deal with Gacy about the location of further bodies, oops I forgot he is dead, oh well.

6/13/2012 02:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where does Toupee Tommie stand on this? I'll wait for his leadership.

6/13/2012 05:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They can avoid digging by using ground penetrating radar. The property owner is probably more concerned with bad publicity than with recovering remains.

If only we had a State's Attorney with a pair of balls.

6/13/2012 06:18:00 AM  
Anonymous The Ghost of Maurer said...

It's a multi unit property on north elston, they did ground penetrating radar 2yrs ago which produced zilch. Time to move on.

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You didn't even read the articles:

But the CPD’s search warrant application, prepared in case they ran into any resistance from the owner, reveals without a doubt that the police were well persuaded by the evidence. Written by Sergeant Frank Cappitelli to be signed by Detective Edwin Dickinson (though it never was), the document reads:

“Based on the facts of my investigation . . . [Gacy] is the most prolific known serial killer in the State of Illinois . . . and there is credible scientific evidence to believe that the possibility exists that human remains are buried in the yard and black top contiguous to 6100-6114 W. Miami. . . . I believe that there are buried remains located [there].”


Get a shovel and your shine box

6/13/2012 06:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets see in 98 this detective with delusions of grandure and his friend the retired commander who owns a security firm, brought this to the Depts. attention. A grid excavation search was conducted in the yard, in locations where the ground pentrating radar company said there anomolies. Doctor Clyde Snow a forensic antropologist, of Gacy, Bosnia and other infamous crimes fme was present, kind of overseeing the search at the direction of the medical examiners office. Nothing was found, yet here we are again. Is this the same Det. that helped screw up the Brown Chicken killings in the northwest suburbs several years ago?

6/13/2012 08:38:00 AM  
Anonymous SCC Fan said...

Very interesting find/read. Thanks SCC.

6/13/2012 08:51:00 AM  
Blogger Cops Colon said...

Nobody in the media was informed of then Commander of Youth Pat Clark's insistence of youth officers make arrests of non-juveniles during Gacy's reign. Youth officers were overwhelmed and had to take shortcuts in missing person cases. Any old time youth officers want to chime in?

6/13/2012 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Retired ex-detective B.D. has some serious credibillity issues. I would not base opening up a new investigation issue just on this criteria.

6/13/2012 12:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another cold case file related to Gacy and his possible conspirators in crime is the unsolved murder investigation of Debra Rosencrans,, she was found as an unknown , unconscious person in Schiller Woods and later died after being identified as Debra Rosencrans. It was possible she learned that Gacy had committed these crimes of murder and she was murdered to shut up. Former ASA Terry Sullivan conducted a task force investigation with CPD but no arrest was made. I think Sheriff Dart could connect the dots now with some success. Retired CPD

6/13/2012 02:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Written by Sergeant Frank Cappitelli to be signed by Detective Edwin Dickinson (though it never was), the document reads:

“Based on the facts of my investigation . . .


Sgt. Cappitelli worked in property crimes

6/13/2012 03:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some guys will do anything to get their names in the paper

6/13/2012 03:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

William D.....'s partner was another high line detective by the name of Roland Paul.......sky
Nothing more needs to be said.
NEXT

6/13/2012 03:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Want to watch an eerie true movie,rent DEAR MR.GACEY at the video store.It'll make the hair on your neck stand straight up.

6/13/2012 04:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Old Time Youth Officer here.
Gacy happened before the "Pat Clark Reign Of Terror."
However Area 6 Youth Officers named Gacy in Missing Person Supp's and would occasionaly watch his house in Area 5 - the one where the bodies were found.
An Area 6 Sergeant told them to stay in Area 6.
All Missing Person reports in which Gacy's name appeared were pulled out of the Records Division and the original officers were called in and paid overtime to re-write the reports not mentioning Gacy's name. These reports were carefully backdated and put on file and appeared to be original reports.
This was done to avoid embarassing the Commander of the Youth Division.
Had it not been for a lazy Area 6 Youth Sergeant the Youth Division may well have been the ones that broke the Gacy case.

6/13/2012 04:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wasn't that also an A/3 investigation?
There may be a Daley-Vanecko connection.
Still afraid of clowns?

6/13/2012 08:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(OT) Looks like obama is setting us up for a huge gas price increase in the fall,hopefully when he loses Mitt will "drill baby drill" here in the U.S.A.!!

6/13/2012 10:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/06/13/Trump-Obama-Cut-Deal-with-Saudis-to-Keep-Oil-Prices%20Low-Until-Election
Sorry this was with last post,posted to soon!

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6/13/2012 10:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Old Time Youth Officer here.
Gacy happened before the "Pat Clark Reign Of Terror."
However Area 6 Youth Officers named Gacy in Missing Person Supp's and would occasionaly watch his house in Area 5 - the one where the bodies were found.
An Area 6 Sergeant told them to stay in Area 6.

6/13/2012 04:50:00 PM

FYI ... Gacy's house wasn't even in the City of Chicago. The house was located in unincorporated Norwood Park Township. Murders investigation was conducted by Cook County Sheriff's Police Department.

6/13/2012 10:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Written by Sergeant Frank Cappitelli to be signed by Detective Edwin Dickinson (though it never was), the document reads:

“Based on the facts of my investigation . . .


Sgt. Cappitelli worked in property crimes

6/13/2012 03:07:00 PM
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Wrong Capitelli.

6/14/2012 12:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leave it be. Wayne is dead and that is that.

6/14/2012 01:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Typical Chicago coverup so some political hack won't looked bad.

I don't like Dart but I am convinced that there are more bodies and that the Miami building was never checked properly.

If Dart had balls he would do a Daley and just start digging. Gacey is long dead, there its no need for a warrant. If there are bodies exhumed he looks like a hero.

6/14/2012 01:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is Anita obstructing justice? At who's behest this time?

6/14/2012 01:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Written by Sergeant Frank Cappitelli to be signed by Detective Edwin Dickinson (though it never was), the document reads:

“Based on the facts of my investigation . . .


Sgt. Cappitelli worked in property crimes

_____
Wrong...Frank was the homicide Sgt. in A/5.

6/14/2012 09:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6/13/2012 03:07:00 PM
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Wrong Capitelli.



No, it isn't

6/14/2012 12:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The CPD Youth Division has one big mess to clear up after the Gacy murders, many of the missings were assigned to Youth Officers who were not allowed to do proper investigations. Once the shit hit the fan the Youth Division created a new program for its computers which would identify similar names on reports which would have showed Gacy name with many of the missings as a common liink. At that time in history the head count was the priority and not finding missing persons. Youth Officers had to make arrests .

6/14/2012 05:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An Area 6 Sergeant told them to stay in Area 6.
All Missing Person reports in which Gacy's name appeared were pulled out of the Records Division and the original officers were called in and paid overtime to re-write the reports not mentioning Gacy's name. These reports were carefully backdated and put on file and appeared to be original reports.
This was done to avoid embarassing the Commander of the Youth Division.
Had it not been for a lazy Area 6 Youth Sergeant the Youth Division may well have been the ones that broke the Gacy case.

This had nothing to do with the Commander of Youth or a lazy Sgt. Gacy was connected to the Democratic Party and the surveillance was pulled off of Gacys home by City Hall. The Sgt. was blamed because he died. Funny how these thing come back. Find out who the politician was. Its there people.

6/14/2012 09:59:00 PM  
Blogger Chris Maloney said...

My name is Chris Maloney and I'm the writer who broke the Gacy story on Feb. 7, 2011. If you would like an in-depth, unbiased review of the case, I suggest you check out the article - "Unfinished Nightmare: The Search for More Victims of John Wayne Gacy" at ShadowReports.com.

“Unfinished Nightmare” is based on dozens of interviews and hundreds of sources.

As for my opinion on whether Gacy used the Miami site to dispose of other murder victims, I would say the odds are 70/30. 70% yes - 30% no.

To the question: "Should authorities reopen the Gacy-Miami investigation?" Below is an excerpt from "Unfinished Nightmare" that I think is a pretty good answer.

Ross Gardner, a former felony criminal investigator with the
U. S. Army Criminal Investigation Command and currently a crime scene analyst with Bevel Gardner & Associates, believes the connection between Gacy and the Miami building is clear, but conducting a definitive search to determine if any bodies are buried on the property is extremely challenging.

“The real question lies with how much effort the authorities are willing to extend in this closed investigation and how supportive the owners of the Miami building are to such an investigative effort,” Gardner says.

“Even with experienced forensic investigators employing all of the available technologies – magnetometers, ground penetrating radar, or infrared thermography – finding a clandestine grave is not guaranteed,” Gardner continues. “Assuming these non-intrusive search techniques locate areas of interest in the basement, under pavement, or on the grounds – ultimately, it will require an intrusive physical excavation. But, only at a significant cost and with significant effort.”

6/14/2012 10:44:00 PM  
Blogger Tracy Ullman said...

I'd be very interested to speak with Anonymous from 6/14/2012 09:59:00 PM who says that files were altered to removed Gacy's name. "Funny how these thing come back. Find out who the politician was. Its there people." We know who the politician was...We should talk. Tracy Ullman

6/18/2012 02:25:00 PM  
Blogger Alison said...

Alison and Tracy, the production company behind the website John Wayne Gacy's Other Victims, can be reached through these emails. We'd be glad to hear from any of SCC's readers.

Alison@norwesterproductions.com
Tracy@norwesterproductions.com

6/28/2012 06:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I challenge pedophile Michael J. Rossi of formally Michigan and now NY to sue me for defamation when I say that I witnessed this man and David F. Cram abduct people from a path in Deep Quarry in Dupage County during the late 70's. These people wound up in the water weighed down with rocks. I can describe a dozen of them and exactly where they were dropped into the lake. Gacy was occasionally there too. The major media will not report on anything that can't be proven, so the truth is being concealed just as the people who accidently screwed up and concealed this mass murder site seem to be hoping for. Maybe a defamation suit by Mr. Rossi is just what we need to get this over with. The truth will prevail in a courtroom. The police know who I am if Mr. Rossi is interested. I am the Deep Quarry witness the police won't formally acknowledge.

1/11/2013 11:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I need to correct the fact that Rossi may not have been in Michigan as I originally thought in my Jan 11, 2013 post. I had confused similar High School names. The defamation challenge to Rossi still stands. He should call the Cook or Dupage County police if he wants to go after me. -The Deep Quarry witness.

5/21/2013 09:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You be the judge.
Is this the same Rossi from 1978 and 2010?

http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/deepquarry/media/IsthisthesameRossi1987ILamp2010NY_zps89796080.jpg.html

7/09/2014 09:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the teacher in new york is not the michael rossi of the gacey nightmare. he is not old enough i know this bescause michael was my best friend in jr high ,high school and up until he attended my wedding and his life was destroyed and that of his wife and children he was a victim you people know nothing about him and you need to stop

12/26/2014 01:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Anonymous, David F. Cram was Michaels best friend during the late 1970's. These SOB's along with Gacy damn near murdered me back then. David F. Cram along with one of his family members were at my house several times around 1987. Cram, Rossi and the guy I am calling the third abductor; Bill or Phil? are the luckiest son of a bitches ever in the history of botched law enforcement. If Rossi wants to clear his name, have him sue me for supposed defamation. He can get a hold of me through the Dupage County Sheriffs police, the Cook County Sheriffs Police. I would recommend the Becker-Stephenson law offices in Chicago as a very good source of Gacy Cram Rossi related lawsuits. -None link shadowreports.

2/27/2015 12:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Felix Marcus said...

Anonymous you stated
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(the teacher in new york is not the michael rossi of the gacey nightmare. he is not old enough i know this bescause michael was my best friend in jr high ,high school and up until he attended my wedding and his life was destroyed and that of his wife and children he was a victim you people know nothing about him and you need to stop)
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You contradict yourself. First you say "he was he too young" and then you say "he is a victim whose life was ruined along with his wife and children. Your story does not add up. Was he too Young or was he old enough to have wife and kids? Which is it supposedly? Why isn't your friend Michael J. Rossi age about 57 in Rock Tavern New York suing this witness? Why are you "anonymous" if he is your friend? Are you a stand up guy or not?

6/17/2015 05:16:00 PM  

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