Disability Series
Evidently, the Sun Times article is a three-day series. So we'll be seeing another beating in the media.
Here's part of the issue that no one is touching on:
Here's part of the issue that no one is touching on:
- The Appellate Court of Illinois ruled in 2000 that one of the officers be given a pension based almost solely on the fact that the City did not offer the officer a light-duty spot.
That means that for 12 years now, the City has known how to end many of the abuses, but refused, instead making a conscious effort to push these costs onto an already strained Pension Fund rather than delineate and define what a "limited duty assignment" would entail and who would therefore be eligible to work in one.
We have dozens, maybe tens of dozens of officers who are willing to come back from cancer, heart attacks, or other long term ailments and work the desk, at Ident, in warrant offices, at data entry, etc. Is it the best solution? Probably not. But is it a necessary function and does it free up able-bodied Officers? Sure. The duty-disabled would require a little training and updating in their qualifications for the assorted certifications required by local, state and federal law regarding sensitive information gathering and disseminating, but it's doable.
Unfortunately, Novak and Fusco, best known for their work on the Hired Truck scandal, appear to have been rolled for political purposes by Rahm and Rahm's people.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:09 AM
155 Comments:
How about you bring back REAL POLICE OFFICERS to the dispatch terminals at the 911 center....they're short handed already....two problems solved in
We should all be praying for these officers and respecting their privacy while they are trying to regain their strength -
JUST LIKE WE ARE TOLD TO DO FOR JESSE JACKSON JR. and his mood disorder.
Ok I see that but some joker who busts out during "welcome to the gym" gets disability. While an ppo officer that looses an eye during an accident on the job gets nothing
This city is a JOKE!!! There are so many inside do nothing spots that some of these (fakers) I mean hurt P.O.'s could be working at. These clowns know the game and play "injured" to get the free ride. Probably all Obama voters now.
Grab what you can while you can hell everyone is doing it.
What kind of pension benefits will Rahm get after putting in time as Chief of Staff in Washington and then as mayor of Chicago?
Will there be two pensions/health care packages etc or just one?
Pretty funny how we roll Chicago politicians through that Washington office for about a year and then they return isn't it?
Is the other Daley back from his term yet? Did he stay just long enough to guarantee some bennies?
Grab what you can while you can. This place is going bankrupt.
again, part of Rahm Emmanuel PR anti cop media blitz to try to neutralize the effects of truthful reporting here on Second City Cop blog about Rahm Emmanuel's blundering, corrupt and total anti-law enforcement machine. you know what, Rahm? we don't buy it.
from citizen of Chicago
The article states that Tovo was using a cane when he went to the Board to retire. How did the reporters know when he was going there. Someone tipped them off.
Too bad they hadn't put more effort into the real thieves in this city. The politicians and their scams cost billions. They instead seem to need to focus on whomever the politicians tell them to in order to keep the spotlight off of them.
Grow some balls, reporters. Do the right thing.
Obviously, the City had a plan when they revised the guidelines this year, regarding light duty and forcing people onto disability.
They lightened their payroll, forcing these officers onto disability.
And, they overburdened our pension fund by doing so. It's a win-win for Rahm, eh?
The sun tiimes isn't media its rags and garbage!
Ding Dong the witch is gone... Aka Lt. JA from 2nd watch 011 is on furlo. Thank God! but be careful of his snitches MB and GT. MB be on Facebook with him and GT be on the phone with him so watch out other than that it is nice to be the police for a while.
How about an article about part time aldermen scamming the city for millions and rubber stamping the mayor's bullshit?
How about an article about the connected getting billions in contracts?
How about an article about how Daley still gets bodyguards from the city?
Have you no decency, you so called reporters?
And yet no mention of Daley's nephew killing a kid and a coverup taking place. How about Daley's son and the sewer scandal? Daley still stealing by keeping bodyguards?
How about Rahm and Solyndra? No? Why not? Scared or just bought and paid for? Yeah, that's what we thought you yellow bellied yellow journalists.
Now go get your shine box.
I don't think it would free up that many officers on desk duty because there are not that many left but there are quite a few spots that used to be manned by light duty officers that were given to civilians at lower pay. I say a good option is to give the light duty spots in records, ident, oemc, etc back to light duty cops. This frees the city to only pay one salary rather than disability to the officer and a salary, health benefits, etc. to a civilian.
Take a look at this mess. This is the same crook Gouskos that coppers would bendover backwards for when he owned the pawnshop in 23. Major fence for the outfit, gypsies and Chicagoland burglary crews. How many coppers overlooked things for their cut? How many used him as a book?
Typical of Chicago corruption, mob connections, drugs, gambling, Obama's best buddy, the former Illinois State Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias's Broadway Bank and the disappearance of $104 million.
This prick ripped off an active and a retired Chicago copper of their earnest money too.
Aldercrook Shiller:
Before Gouskos’ sentencing, former Ald. Helen Shiller (46th) wrote a letter to the judge on his behalf, saying she knew him as a small-business owner and a developer.
“It was always my impression that he was sincere with his efforts, that he believed in his vision for this project,” wrote Shiller, who retired in 2011 from the City Council and received $2,750 in campaign contributions from Gouskos and Dobroveanu’s real estate company between 2003 and 2005.
“If anything, he was naive about the hurdles doing [a] development of this size and complexity in Chicago,” she said of Gouskos. “It was my impression that if anything, he might have been over his head, especially since we know now an economic collapse was brewing that caught many more experienced developers in its clutches.”
http://www.suntimes.com/13761306-761/banks-money-wasted-on-poker-vicodin.html
this clout heavy big game hunter is stealing our money. He and his shyster lawyers and his political whore clout should be in jail. By the way those two deer size antelopes he shot could probably be found on Southern Illinois and that hippo was from Jim Carrey's movie, Pet Detective. Officer big game hunter was seen crawling out of the hippos ass.
Stop interpreting it as a "beating," and that is beyond melodramatic. Literally, calm your dramatic ass down - is this not what we tell defendants?
The abuse of the system ought to end, and I absolutely the Sun Times for making that possible.
The system will not reform itself; and we are not going to kid ourselves otherwise.
Well we can only hope that this series serves to dismantle the insane policy that HR instituted in forcing officers that could work light duty onto disability where they further bankrupt the pension. I hope the public is outraged and demands the department allow assignments to all these guys who say the want to work. Then we will see how many without catastrophic injuries truly wish to come back.
I think it's screwy that they get paid until they are 63 too. I'm sure 99% of them (speaking of scammers only) would never have worked to that age anyway. Then the get a full pension. Amazing.
City says it will spend $14 mil. on CPD overtime due to violence.
It's cool, it's cool. We got it covered. The money has already been allocated. Settle down.
We'll take it out of the CPD pension by skipping another pension payment like we always do.
When and if there's any whining about it we'll point to the disability frauds and blame THEM in disgust for taking the pension money while WE play the victims -- that's all heh-heh.
Everyone will forget all about our obligation to make payments into the pension by then..hey look over there. those people on disability are cheating you..that's so disgusting.
No, no-no, don't look at the broken promises -- the failed social contract, failed union contracts. Look at those coppers on disability see that ugh.
Leak a story to the press. Then act like you're in CPD's corner claiming that those disability frauds are just a few bad apples. Isn't that how you work it?
Like a gentleman.
/sarcasm
Ot: heard they're still trying and planing on moving a bunch of sgts out of 019 by sunday. Nothing like giving short notice.
July 17, 1970, forty-two (42) years ago tonight at Cabrini-Green:
Sgt. Jim SEVERIN and P.O. Tony RIZZATO, Area 6 Task Force, were murdered by sniper fire as they walked across the ball field to the south of the 19-story project at 1150 N. Sedgwick St. Their weapons were still holstered.
Cop-killers Johnny VEAL, #C01600, age 59, and George Clifford KNIGHTS, #C15356, age 65, remain in the Illinois DOC at separate prisons.
WE REMEMBER!
And . . .
add to that the "New" order that came out late last year regarding Limited Duty (IOD and non IOD).
The city and the dept. can thank Tracy Ladner for that one.
So, now limited duty in any form has many restrictions.
Today's part in the Sun Times focuses on the Chicago Firefighters ...Per a spokeman on WLS radio
We should all be praying for these officers and respecting their privacy while they are trying to regain their strength -
JUST LIKE WE ARE TOLD TO DO FOR JESSE JACKSON JR. and his mood disorder.
7/17/2012 12:38:00 AM
We should be putting the officers that want to work back on somewhere. I like the OEMC idea. I'd rather have an experienced copper at the terminal.
As for the ones that don't want to come back, get those thieves off our pension tit. They should be ashamed, but that would mean they have a conscious and a soul, which they obviously don't.
I'm sorry if your on perm IOD because you can't go back to full active duty, but are able to be on light duty they need to be on admin duty then. It's really not that hard to figure out. God this department is so wasteful. If the would rework some of the wording in the contract or the general orders they would be able to fix a lot of wasteful spending on the police department.
SCC,
The department is only giving officers 365 days of limited duty! 365 days isn't enough sometimes to recover from a terrible illness. The City doesn't care about its officers. There are a lot of spots at 35th, however, the City from what I am hearing wants to give those spots to civilians. I myself think that is crazy. Why would you trust a civilian with sensitive information? This department went to shit!
As a copper who considers himself still aggressive and not a hairgel, I find this blatant scamming reprehensible.
Many coppers are out there everyday hustling to get court, working ot, and even working side jobs while these scamming fucks sit at home on our dime and also draw from our already troubled pension?
I'm sure I am not alone when I say that the fine officers like Mullen and countless others deserve every red cent they receive from this department, but coppers like the Ferets and this big game hunting fat fuck are a disgrace and epitomize all that is wrong with the medical/disability.
Like SCC said, I know a few coppers on disbality more than willing to come back who could actually do some good and are better than many of the useless desk and inside personnel in place now.
I am by no means denying the fact that the media in this town(Suntimes being tops on the list) are no more than fucking parasites feeding off Rahm's every word and order, and the timimg of this story as at the least questionable, but as far as I am concerned, anyone willingly hurting the department and more importantly my pension can go fuck themselves!!
If some of the officers wanted to return to duty, and are capable, place them in dispatchers chairs. Remember when the COS was manned by all POs? They were not afraid to tell some shithead "it's not a police problem".
Anonymous NEVER FORGET! said...
July 17, 1970, forty-two (42) years ago tonight at Cabrini-Green:
Sgt. Jim SEVERIN and P.O. Tony RIZZATO, Area 6 Task Force, were murdered by sniper fire as they walked across the ball field to the south of the 19-story project at 1150 N. Sedgwick St. Their weapons were still holstered.
Cop-killers Johnny VEAL, #C01600, age 59, and George Clifford KNIGHTS, #C15356, age 65, remain in the Illinois DOC at separate prisons.
WE REMEMBER!
7/17/2012 03:05:00 AM
amen brother....they were part of a "walk and talk" program, if recalled correctly....started there in '72....and McGoof wants foot patrols...
Anonymous said...
Ok I see that but some joker who busts out during "welcome to the gym" gets disability. While an ppo officer that looses an eye during an accident on the job gets nothing
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The PPO who lost his eye probably sued the City! The City was negligent in that case. The idiots at motor maintainance mounted the mike onto the airbags. He probably got millions from that settlement.
The lead posting is one of the best I have read on this site in years. Thanks for someone having the balls to really put the City on blast. After reading the investigation the past several days I have come to the same conclusion. It is not the cops and firemen, its the damn city board that approves this bullshit. Change the classification and allow those who want to work, to work. What the fuck is wrong with these people. Fire their asses immediately for their stupid decisions.
Dear Scum times, if you want to expose the liberal mongoloids in this city to money being wasted, look no further than the Link card system. Thank you and go fuck yourselves.
NEVER FORGET! said...
July 17, 1970, forty-two (42) years ago tonight at Cabrini-Green:
(Thanks , John!)
Why is there NEVER a report on what the benefits are to a congressman or senator? Do you not want the public to know what their health benefits and pensions are for life are after serving one term? Why don't you put that in print, scum times yellow journalists? Instead, you follow Rahm's orders and out one or two bad apples and making all police out to look bad? You are truly the bottom of the barrel scum of this city.
Yes, bring back just about every police officer and fire fighter on disability leave, retrain them and put them in the 911/311 call center with the same disability pay. End the gold braid pay system and its enhanced pension and benefits.
Now let's do the job the Scum Times and Fibune won't do because they lack guts and can only go after teachers, cops and firefighters on the orders of their political masters while pretending to be impartial and not a propaganda arm of the democratic machine.
Here's the benefits of congressmen as regards pension and healthcare. And keep in mind that they steal and set up deals the entire time in office so they, like Daley are guaranteed jobs by the companies they take care of:
A pension benefit. People on the federal payroll, including members of Congress, receive a traditional "defined benefit" pension, something that is available to only a small percentage of private-sector workers.
According to the Congressional Research Service, in October 2006 the average annual pension for a retired member of Congress who served under FERS was $35,952, compared with the current $174,000 salary for active members.
(Members of Congress won't be affected by President Obama's proposal for a pay freeze for federal employees — Congress sets its own pay scales separately, and in 2009 and 2010 voted to forgo its usually automatic annual pay increases.)
A member who leaves office before serving five years because of an election defeat or resignation is not eligible for a pension. And any member who is convicted of a crime such as bribery, fraud, racketeering or perjury for acts committed after September 2007 is ineligible.
But, on grounds that working in Congress means uncertain job security, elected members and their staffs receive a larger retirement benefit from FERS for each year of service than other federal employees. They also become eligible for a retirement annuity at a younger age and with fewer years of service.
In return, they contribute a higher percentage of their pay to participate in FERS — 1.3 percent instead of 0.8 percent for most workers. As in the private sector, the bulk of the retirement benefit's cost is picked up by the employer, in this case, the U.S. government.
Members of Congress can begin drawing their full pension at age 62 if they have completed five years of service, at age 50 with 20 years' service, or at any age with 25 years' service. They can collect a reduced pension with 10 years of service at ages 55 to 57, depending on their birth year.
The Thrift Savings Plan. This is a "defined contribution" plan available to all federal employees and similar to the 401(k) plans common in the private sector. There's a difference: Whether or not the employee chooses to save anything, the government contributes 1 percent of base pay to the savings plan. How their health care plan works
Members of Congress participate in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program along with about 8 million federal workers, retirees and their dependents. They are subject to the same rules and receive the same coverage. Compared with health plans offered by private employers, the FEHBP offers more choices — in fact, "the widest selection of health plans in the country," according to the Office of Personnel Management.
Congress members are also eligible for Medicare, and pay the same 1.45 percent tax on their salary as do other workers.
A few extras
Congress members do receive some medical benefits beyond those available to regular federal workers.
For an annual payment of $503, members can receive routine care from the Office of the Attending Physician, which has facilities in the Capitol. ABC News reported last year that these services include physicals and other examinations, on-site X-rays and lab work, physical therapy and referrals to medical specialists.
In addition, current members (but not their dependents) can receive medical and emergency dental care at military hospitals and clinics. Inpatient care is covered by FEHBP insurance, but outpatient care is free if it's performed at facilities in the national capital region, such as Bethesda Naval Hospital in Maryland or Walter Reed Army Medical Center in the District of Columbia.
This benefit is likely the source of persistent online rumors that all medical care is free for Congress members.
OT: Just want to give a shout-out and tell P.O. Marilyn Cullinan, who retired last month, that we miss her on the 2nd Watch in 022. Marilyn handled or assisted on every call she could and had no qualms about locking up the fool or better yey tasing BOO who wanted to fight the Police. Should have come on the job years earlier Marilyn. Worked with alot of PO's that didn't do shit-sorry to say but were afraid. You handled the shit maam. We love you. Good luck in retirement. Got a great family too!
So it's OK for congressmen and senators to get an 80% pension after stealing for years and getting their family and friends wealthy, but cops, teachers, and firemen who actually WORK for a living are painted as the bad guys by Chicago yellow journalists?
Shame on you. How do you scum bags look yourselves in the mirror? Oh. Just the same way as the politicians you serve.
Hey shit head reporters. Why don't you print what the alderman pension package is? How about Daley's benefits?
What's that you say? Nothing. Yeah, I thought so.
Now go get your shine box.
Hey SCC... Adresss that stupid fucking latest gang strategy that McDope just came out with, I'm absolutley convinced that this clown is just coming up with whatever sticks to the wall.
On page 4 of that order during "CALL IN" sessions gang members will be told we want to work with u and if u don't work with us... What we gona send them to bed with no dinner next.
U have done more to de-ball this department than any other leader. I'm actually embarrased now to say I work for this shit department, no wonder the NY newspapers are blasting the management of this department.
There are plenty of inside spots at 35th street for these officers which would free up full duty officers for patrol. Oh but wait, these bosses couldn't hide all their dollies.
But notice in the scum times article about fire disability, there is no list of names or other personal info. At least I couldn't find it. I still think someone gave the police disability pension list to the reporters.
Anonymous said...
Ok I see that but some joker who busts out during "welcome to the gym" gets disability. While an ppo officer that looses an eye during an accident on the job gets nothing
7/17/2012 12:51:00 AM
BULLSHIT!! He's getting money every month, check the list again asshat.
If the City has not and will not put it's share of money into our pensions why does Rahm or anyone representing the city have any standing on any pension issues. Lil Mikey ought to get the FOP lawyers and file suit to remove the city appointed trustees and make some changes to the pension for officers on disability and put the responsibility of caring for the disabled officers back on the city. They were not injured working for the pension board they were injured working for the city. The pension board should be just that pension and only just for people who served and contributed at least 20 yrs.
I worked 30 years for cpd retired at age 51 and pay my health insurance , pay taxes on income.
Before any benefits are negotiated , this BS disability pension must be changed to requiring some officers return and work office jobs and no more free health or more than 50% pay or extra money $100 for each kid .
under 20 years on the job and nobody should receive more than 4 years disability pay unless they were shot or completely disabled unable to work.
This is the perfect opportunity to ask why the pension board is responsible for disabled officers shouldn't it be the city of Chicago since the injured were working for the city at the time of the injuries?
The Dancer is feeding The Times this info.
Soften up CPD & CFD, strip away ANY public support AND THEN come in for the kill.
CFD takes its turn in the barrel today.
Anyone with 10 days in the academy SHOULD NOT be getting disability. Shields, why don't you bring this up?
I remember the p.p.o. who lost his eye. If anyone deserved anything, he does. thanks to him, the p.a. is no longer mounted on the dashboard.
If you look deep enough, you will find he has clout somewhere.
The article shows several cfd paramedics are on disability. I know 1 girl who went to nursing school on medical lay up doing physical clinicals while she couldnt work an ambulance. It was all a reward for filing sexual harrassment charges against a male paramedic who caught a high ranking paramedic former state senator corrupt. Now she gets disability her and the senator belong in jail. The truth about this guy got all over the cfd wonder why all the bosses knew about this and did nothing. Can anybody say scandal.
I'd like to know how someone who slept with virtually every instructor in the Academy in '89 manages to win a sexual harassment lawsuit. And she wasn't shy about letting everyone know it, either. Ask any of us ladies who shared the locker room with her...
Wow. Sounds like some reform in policy and actions are needed there. Our city has a very good system in place to best serve its officers and although we are not a perfect municipality and have our own problems...our city does treat its officers with respect in time of injury, illness, need, or other crisis...duty related or not.
I don't know why light duty is so hard for them to figure out. Maybe it's because our system makes it so tough to do anything about the lowest performing, just there for a paycheck coppers (no, not the majority, but we know who they are . . . )that the bosses let them settle into light duty assignments just to shut 'em up and quiet them down.
If there were formally designated light duty spots for recovering injured officers, someone would have to deal with trying to get the low performing officers into more productive roles. And nobody wants to have to deal with that.
Try and research the Maria Kazoukas case from many years ago. You remember her, the hot little dish who was involved with former Dep Chief r.g. ? Posed for a Playboy picture. The Mauer Cabal covered for her for many years. I hear she was granted a disability pension ONLY as part of a lawsuit settlement that the Brass quickly swept under the rug...She is a health and fitness instructor in the suburbs now and never came close to qualifying for a duty disability pension!!!
Once again the CFD gets treated differently. They cost the city more on fisability but are the 3 segment in the series. Another thing I noticed and don't understand Why was there a list of the 337 CPD people on disability published, but not one for the CFD Could the names embarass someone? Seems like a double standard
Shit, the new most dangerous job in the world is "paramedic in charge" and "ambulance commander" Theres an awful lot of them on disability with the CFD.
Did anyone notice that 25 paramedics and paramedics in charge from the 7/1/1983 class are on duty disability. How big were the classes? Thats unbelieveable, they must have caught something at the academy
Everyone here knows someone who's abusing the system-when we loose it- and we will we will have no one to blame but ourselves. Herrerra s whole family is on disability with soft tissue damage ? Yeah right
Why not make the able bodied CPD Finest baseball player in Special Functions/Events work for real?
My question is if they change the rules, like the gun and walking without assistance, the meds issue, shouldn’t they also give us the right to sue for our injuries, it only seems fair?
Also a disabled officer can work if they are receiving duty disability, why all the hate here? I don’t get it.
There is also a voc-rehab fund for disabled officers to use from the city, with blessing of the city, to train officers for other careers so they can work another job while on disability and their no limit to the amount they can earn.
Be careful, these benefits were fought for when the CITY DENIED you a position if you were IOD.I think it's great that some IOD officers had a phone call or Alderman to make sure that a spot was created for an officer to go back to work, but the majority didn't have that benefit.
Now it’s sad that our own are so willing to give it up so quickly.
Take a look at your contract and your pension booklets, there’s a lot of good info there.
Alderman Pensions
The perk for aldermen also shows how the Daley administration leveraged city pension funds for political purposes rather than protecting the modest, sustainable retirement benefits promised to city workers.
Under the plan, aldermen and other elected city officials became eligible to receive up to 80 percent of the salary they earned during their last month of work. All other employees in the municipal pension plan — including top managers — receive 70 percent of their average monthly salary over the previous four years.
Aldermen can also reach the maximum benefit with just 20 years of service, compared with nearly 30 years for everyone else in the municipal pension plan.*
The average payout to those aldermen is $81,000 a year. But because they can retire at 55 and their pensions grow by 3 percent compounded annually for the rest of their lives, the average amount will eventually increase to $165,000 a year.
The result is that many aldermen will end up making more in retirement than they did when they served on the council.
(OT) More "flash thugging"
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-07-17/story/saturday-night-flash-mob-takes-over-jacksonville-wal-mart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94INAruvOrA
http://www.kgw.com/news/Flash-mob-targets-Troutdale-Albertsons-store-159463245.html
Common denominator they are all BLACK! hey revs father flaky farracon, jackson where you at? Obama speak to "your peoples" wtf!
The "disabled" with no apparent injuries should be sent to traffic court (count & sort movers) or other branch courts.
What a joke! Disability because the lug nuts fell off the car. I still can't get over that one!
There are certain PO's who scheme and find ways to scam. They have no shame. They look for the most opportune time to "pull a disability"- car accident, foot chase, etc. Fortunately, they a very small percentage.
Today, the fire dept takes a hit. If the suntimes wanted to, they probably could do a week long expose. Fire dept is half the size of CPD yet collects 2X in disability.
Today basing his finding squarely on Rahm's actions and decisions arbitrator awards 37.5 % pay increase over 4 years for Teachers.
I remember this case. I was still in
high school when it happen.
God bless the officers...
...and damn the killers to hell for all eternity!
Retired Ol' Sixgun Sarge
What would the children do? I mean seriously what would the clouted , in these cushy indoor spots do when they get kicked to patrol. To for total disability, make a phone call again .
Someone needs to call the paper in regards to Tracey Ladner's fucked-up policy!
There is a group that will give a rebuttal to the Sun Times article and lay the largest portion of the blame where it belongs---Tracey Ladner!
We hear people assigned to the Medical Section are beefing about Ladner to the powers that be at City Hall. This may get interesting. P.S.---They are listening.
Did Loevy and Loevy finally fire Andy Thayer? He's working here full-time now.
(40 ILCS 5/1-135)
Sec. 1-135. Fraud. Any person who knowingly makes any false statement or falsifies or permits to be falsified any record of a retirement system or pension fund created under this Code or the Illinois State Board of Investment in an attempt to defraud the retirement system or pension fund created under this Code or the Illinois State Board of Investment is guilty of a Class 3 felony. Any reasonable suspicion by any appointed or elected commissioner, trustee, director, or board member of a retirement system or pension fund created under this Code or the State Board of Investment of a false statement or falsified record being submitted or permitted by a person under this Code shall be immediately referred to the board of trustees of the applicable retirement system or pension fund created under this Code, the State Board of Investment, or the State's Attorney of the jurisdiction where the alleged fraudulent activity occurred. The board of trustees of a retirement system or pension fund created under this Code or the State Board of Investment shall immediately notify the State's Attorney of the jurisdiction where any alleged fraudulent activity occurred for investigation. For the purposes of this Section, "reasonable suspicion" means a belief, based upon specific and articulable facts, taken together with rational inferences from those facts, that would lead a reasonable person to believe that fraud has been, or will be, committed. A reasonable suspicion is more than a non-particularized suspicion. A mere inconsistency, standing alone, does not give rise to a reasonable suspicion.
(Source: P.A. 96-6, eff. 4-3-09; 97-651, eff. 1-5-12.)
this being the law and of interest to more than 18,000 members of the FOP, has Trustee,President (insert name here) opened an investigation into the questionable disability annuities the SunTimes reported on? Or is he handling it the same way he handled the Sexual Harassment charges against Geiger -- what? someone's gonna get promoted? That seems fair.
I would be LOL; but I remembered it's MY MONEY!
Anonymous said...
The article states that Tovo was using a cane when he went to the Board to retire. How did the reporters know when he was going there. Someone tipped them off.
7/17/2012 01:04
My point exactly. I said that too in the other post. Someone close to the pension board who has access to information is feeding the news.
No full duty officer should be working in the office. All boss' secretary positions should be given to light or limited duty officers. Sorry big shots, you are going to have a seasoned hairy man as your secretary and not some 2 year wonder snobby hottie.
Yes light duty and limited duty and disability should be revised, but not in the illogical manner that the city or Tracy Ladner wants or did it. There are disabled police that want to work who could be viable to the department. I could understand some give and take, but sadly it will never be done that way because there is no fairness or common sense amongst Chicago's "leaders".
Sent out today to Local Members
July 17th, 2012
Dear Brothers and Sisters:
Since when did it become popular to try and destroy the reputations of some of the hardest-working men and women Chicago has to offer? Some may call all the recent negative press surrounding our profession merely coincidental, but I highly doubt it. There is just too much evidence out there to suggest that this continuous derogatory media blitz on the Chicago Fire Department is anything less than a well-orchestrated, one-sided attack on our membership through the newspapers and on the airwaves.
Let’s examine the facts:
• Dan Mihalopoulus used inflated numbers during his recent Sun-Times report to suggest that we have somehow received unearned compensation. He printed the salaries of some of our members and nowhere in his article does he explain that these “extras” also include overtime, much of it earned because the City does not hire or promote adequately. Of course, our response to his sensationalist journalism was not printed.
• Both Local 2 and the City have agreed not to negotiate the contract in the media, yet somehow we seem to be the topic of a harmful story nearly every week. Where was the big media splash about our response to over 10,000 calls for service in a 3 day period during the recent heat wave?
• Sources tell us that we may be the subject of more “investigative reports” in the coming days. Never has a word been said about the fantastic job all Local 2 members have done during this particularly hot and extremely violent summer. Just who do the media think is responding to, and providing life-saving treatment for, all these shooting victims?
• And maybe, just maybe, we will finally get a final list from the Justice Department on the Lieutenant’s exam that was given 3 YEARS AGO! If the media wants to investigate something, investigate that!
The frustration level over this obviously slanted assault on our profession has all of us on edge. Who would have ever thought it would come to this? The best thing we can all do now is continue, as we always do, to provide the best emergency service possible to all people; citizens, reporters and visitors alike. It has been stated many times that Chicago is striving to be a world-class, International city. It would seem obvious that part of attaining that stature would be to insure that the First Responders to emergency situations have the proper tools to do their jobs. Failure to do so, may very well lead to disaster.
Our members should continue to feel proud for the work they do and should know that the public-at-large respects and honors our public service, even if certain members of the media do not. Indeed some news outlets have reported our positions with integrity. Through our work with the Local 2 Public Relations Committee and Agency 360, we will continue to fight to get our message into the media. However, we will not jeopardize our policy positions with City Hall by negotiating contract details in the media.
Fraternally,
CHICAGO FIRE FIGHTERS UNION,
Local No. 2
Thomas E. Ryan, Jr.,
President
Yup keep on getting those arrests and numbers boys n girls. Don't worry your new contract will reflect your hard work.
Answer your calls write papaer for every litle thing. And please take your time and talk to the good citizens to give them good police service.
Aren't we lucky that the FOP President hooked the reporters with the non-disabled Chairman of the FOP Disability Cmt and not Board member harold brown. Dodged a bullet there!
I'm disappointed that you guys actually went out and bought the slum times! Let it go down the drain Like it has been... The shit birds aren't buying it, the hipster renters on the north side aren't buying it, WE ARE
WOW we are all going to be fucked by the machine.... I read the article and they left the comments section open.
Yea someon should check out E. M. The poser formerly of 002. Hes stealing our pension on full disability from a 10 mile an hour car accident
It's amazing that all of you who assume we are scamming, in essence are saying that the Pension Board appointed physicians at UIC Occupational Health are somehow helping those of us on disability to scam! Most of us have been seen by multiple physicians, including surgeons, neurologists,physiatrists,(that's a pain doctor for all ofyou who have never experienced real pain) ortho and yes, occupational health plus multiple people who did both physical therapy as well as Functional Capacity Evaluations. I guess that I, as well as others have paid all of these people off and they are all risking their medical licenses and reputations so that I can get $50,000 a year. This is exactly the purpose of this article, to have discord and fighting among us, well I hope that none of you, who are so quick to judge, not knowing all the facts, have to experience the pain, frustration and the loss of self worth when this happens to you! On second thought, I hope each and everyone one of you remembers your comments here, when IT DOES HAPPEN TO YOU!
So it occurs to me that if CPD has 'Me-Too' with CFD then why are we getting half as much in dissability payments overall? Looks to me that CPD is a bargain compared to CFD. And that ain't say'n much!
Off topic. How can the CTA afford $205 million over the next 3 years for even more upgrades when just last year the CTA was a hair away from going bankrupt and shutting down?? Why isn't this being questioned in the media?
So while the Chicago media throws the public against the cops, here is a link to the real thieves:
A year-long Senate investigation produced a nearly 400-page report, that describes in exhaustive detail how HSBC executives repeatedly ignored warning signs from their own compliance officers, and from outside regulators, all of whom watched what they believed to be billions of dollars in suspicious transactions passing through the bank without adequate scrutiny.
The report describes how HSBC's Mexican affiliate moved $7 billion in physical U.S. dollars through the bank in a two-year stretch, "raising red flags that the volume of dollars included proceeds from illegal drug sales in the United States." It lays out how HSBC's executives ignored warnings that it was providing currency to a Saudi bank alleged by some U.S. officials to be involved in financing al Qaeda. It found that two HSBC affiliates sent nearly 25,000 transactions involving $19.4 billion through their bank accounts over seven years without disclosing that the transactions had links to Iran.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/hsbc-handled-billions-drug-cartel-cash-report/story?id=16793242#.UAXCmmHbvng
And it determined that HSBC altogether failed to monitor some $60 trillion in wire transfer and account activities and amassed a backlog of 17,000 unreviewed account alerts regarding potentially suspicious activity.
All of the articles fail to mention that a police officer is only given "365 limited duty days for his/her entire career". Cops are the ones getting screwed here!
Something many don't hear or maybe don't care about.
That is the number of officers, both police and fire, that go out and do their jobs, many have been injured and are pensioned out under the disability claus.
Do you really think that we would go out and risk our well being if that changed?
What of an officer who's injured and "put out to pasture", do we strip them down of nothing, maybe put them on the roles of welfare?
If pension plans are thought to be too costly,, then make a change, let it be known and then the new guy can decide if the job is what they want, if the benifits are good enough.
Don't change a pension on those who have planed and spent a carreer working hard and then try to pull their retirement plan out form under them.
Matter of fact, star a the top and work your way down. Lets start with those political hacks with there golden pensions..... then you'll maybe have my ear.
I think they should do a series on cops and firefighters who have put in their 30 yrs, got a pension, but can't enjoy it because of the combined injuries they have received doing their job.
I don't know a retired street cop who hasn't been in numerous squad car crashes. Usually some drunk at two in the morning.
Every year,
how many get shot?
how many get stabbed?
how many hit with blunt objects?
how many battered requiring hospitalization?
how many broken bones?
how many car crash injuries?
Out of all of these totals, how many go on lifelong disability?
Very few.
How many cannot enjoy earned retirement because of a laundry list of old injuries that get worse with age?
Many.
Who gives a sh-t besides your friends and family?
Nobody.
Stay strong young coppers. This kind of regular media bashing has been around for years, and will be around for years.
This goes along with the theory that 1-oh sh-t cancels out 100- atta boys.
So the politically connected few (note the nexus to Burke, Daley and Emmanuel) get the lifetime of free money FROM OUR PENSIONS!
Each one of these parasites has a connection to some politician while real officers that are injured are pushed to the side with nothing. This is nothing short of criminal.
The CITY says 'OK, we won't fight your BS lawsuit. We'll cave'. Then they let these criminals loot OUR PENSION. Nice scam.
It's OK to steal
Because others steal more.
Great logic.
This all still begs the question: Where the fuck is Shields, getting these facts out to the media???...Especially the point brought up about how officers are prohibited from suing the city, so disability is a cheaper, more likely alternative?? What a POS!!!
OT: Just want to give a shout-out and tell P.O. Marilyn Cullinan, who retired last month, that we miss her on the 2nd Watch in 022. Marilyn handled or assisted on every call she could and had no qualms about locking up the fool or better yey tasing BOO who wanted to fight the Police. Should have come on the job years earlier Marilyn. Worked with alot of PO's that didn't do shit-sorry to say but were afraid. You handled the shit maam. We love you. Good luck in retirement. Got a great family too!
7/17/2012 08:38:00 AM
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Absolutely correct! A Class Act!
17 July 1970....Thank You for letting us know..I was too young at the time. God Bless these fine Officers....and their families. Rip.
7:31 AM:
"Walk and Talk" amongst the savages. You are correct, sir.
While the current superintendent did not yet come OTJ with the NYPD, I remind him of two NYPD double assassinations of police officers who were on this hare-brained foot patrol at the time of their ambush murders.
PO Waverly JONES and Joseph PIAGENTINI, 32nd Pct. (Harlem)
PO Gregory FOSTER and Rocco LAURIE, 9th Pct. (Lower East Side)
If Supt. McCarthy actually cares about unnecessarily placing officers in harm's way, there would be no foot patrol during the hours of darkness in districts such as Englewood and Fillmore.
Don't even get me started on one officer cars in high violent crime areas.
How come the lead story here isn't the 20 copper's cars seriously vandalized/keyed in the 10th district parking lots?
Not enough manpower even to protect our stations.
This might spread so all stations be on the alert. Screw the calls. Hire more police.
OT:
A great example of why we should join the rest of the nation and allow law abiding citizens to carry guns.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=428_1342491285
There is no light duty offered for the injured PO's. As a fellow City employee, I recognize this as another maneuver to poison the well during contract negotiations.
There are clouted people who are not disabled who have been on perpetual light duty throughout their careers.
Accommodating injured PO's might require moving some of the anointed ones. I doubt that this will ever happen. It's much easier for the powers that be to attack the injured rather than face any inconvenience themselves.
The Sun Times is nothing more than a mouthpiece for this administration and their political agenda.
Have light duty officers enter all contact cards,process all citations, and work call back out of a central office on midnights in uniform! We'll see how quickly they come back to full duty. It will free up alot of b.s. full duty people to work the sreets. The bosses have to be pressured into giving up their favorite Ken and Barbie Dolls they continue to hide inside. Any circus clown can be trained to do ANY inside job including News Affairs... (yes, you guys too) No more clouts with no time on the job at the Academy... it's embarrasing. All bosses and former bosses kids should have to be on the streets like everyone else. Officers with fifteen years or more should be the only people inside, they deserve it for years of active service. People with experience were once reverred, valued, and looked up to. The attitude now is to push those with seniority aside. Oh and if it is Human Resources approving who gets to be light duty then that explaind why T.H. keeps getting taken care of there!
3% increase in contribution
free health 53 if over 20 years on job
min retirement 55
no light duty (non iod)
uniform commissary
sell 200 hrs
entire department going to glock
weapon allowance $500 for jan 2013
Detectives only investigate felonies except SVU
They should give the injured PO's the do nothing management clout spots.
Of course the aldermen would object to their relatives and cronies getting dumped.
I'd bet that the PO's would be a vast improvement.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Ok I see that but some joker who busts out during "welcome to the gym" gets disability. While an ppo officer that looses an eye during an accident on the job gets nothing
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The PPO who lost his eye probably sued the City! The City was negligent in that case. The idiots at motor maintainance mounted the mike onto the airbags. He probably got millions from that settlement.
7/17/2012 07:32:00 AM
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WOW!
"he probably got millions?
Doubtful.
But you can look up city lawsuits and I could not find one with his name attached.
So . . .
STFU
The 10th District just another example of how backwards this department is. All the cameras in the interview rooms most likely work and any other big brother aids designed to watch the police most likely work. But when it comes to officers safety or officers personal property this asshole department run by clowns could care less. Just another reality check.
"Everyone is stealing, so its ok for us to also." WTF kind of logic is that? We are supposed to be better than than everyone else, lets not lower ourselves to absolve a few lying frauds...
I myself a wheel gun cop believes every officer who is truly disabled should receive all the benefits promised to him. the problem is we know this problem is abused by more than a handful.
OT-The city is so broke that we can't get decent cars or new computers in my district but, according to a Sgt who works at 35th, to run the Compstat meeting they just bought 4 brand new computers that are set up at each meeting with a P.O. manning each one, just to run stats to show on the big screens. On top of that, he said they are buying giant touch screens so that McSupe and his other east coast buddies don't have to strain their eyes to see the little numbers on those big screens. How about spending some of that money out here on the south side so we can spend less time waiting for a computer to do a report because the others are down and they don't "support" the old equipment anymore? I can't wait til next year when I can finally leave this place!
Rahm is complaining that it was a political "cheap trick" for the Sun Times to mention the firefighter featured in the disability story appeared in his campaign commercial.
Didn't Rahm just tell Mitt Romney to stop whining?
STOP WHINING RAHM!
"Feds charge 7 in kickback scheme"
Wonder if the triple "J" just had a set back in his mood condition?
http://www.suntimes.com/news/13831849-418/rahm-emanuel-cheap-trick-to-cite-his-ties-to-fire-chief-on-disability.html
Hmmm, funny that Rahm thinks it's a cheap trick to link him to this particular firefighter but it's not a cheap trick to lump everyone in disability together and try to discredit everyone!
Anonymous said...
There are plenty of inside spots at 35th street for these officers which would free up full duty officers for patrol. Oh but wait, these bosses couldn't hide all their dollies.
7/17/2012 09:16:00 AM
Yes! Just look at M.G. in administartion, she waent from IGO, to SGt, to HQ - and look at T.P. in Special Functions - whole career been gifted to him.
Should we be surprised? Forget Shitcago -- most law enforcement agencies are management nightmares in today's world. Where else do they start with a "one size fits all" entry level premise and then "progress" (regress?) to the notion that the way to reward someone for a job well done is to take them away from that job!
The light duty fiasco is something that doesn't take a rocket scientist to remedy. Police work isn't what it once was. Yes, the streets are meaner but in today's cybercrime, high-tech, kiddie porn world there is a greater need for inside law enforcement skills as well. I can think of at least a dozen things injured officers with training could do without chasing down an alley after gangbangers. Just today I was talking to a detective going nuts trying to organize and document a credit card skimming scam.
I would love to see the men and women who were hurt in the line of duty being treated with respect instead of just being put out to pasture. We owe them dignity as well as a check. Maybe they can't run down the street with a shitload of gear but somebody needs to be trolling the Internet for the perverts or maybe conducting interviews or dozens of other tasks that could free up other officers. I've seen too many guys (and a few gals) who have been slapped in the face in exchange for dedicated service.
I read last year that one of the burbs had a retirement party for a wheelchair bound dispatcher who never used a sick day and never took a dime in welfare.
Ahhhh...but that would take leadership...and brains...
OT. Steve Robbins of the pension board is bringing up a motion to deprive retirees from sitting on the pension board. This will leave an open spot that he will surely try to fill with himself. The guy is a back stabbing one way lying indivadual that will go to any lengths to get what HE wants. Do not trust him... Vote this down...
We should all be praying for these officers and respecting their privacy while they are trying to regain their strength...
Even the fuckin scamers??? Fuck them! Whats the difference between a disability cheat and public aid cheat? I'll sit down & wait for my answer.
Here is a Sgt who says it like it is and has a set a balls to go with it.
Sgt Garcia from 010 for 1st Deputy.
Time to hit the gang in 010 who tagged our cars. Lets do it like we did years ago when we got on.
011 cop
LOL
"The cornerstone of the Gang Violence Reduction Strategy is the Gang Audit. The Gang Audit is
designed to gather the following intelligence from each district: gang name, gang faction name,
territorial borders, faction size, alliances, conflicts, organizational level, and propensity for violence.
The Gang Audit is the foundation of gang intelligence in each district and will be regularly reviewed and updated."
Today's part in the Sun Times focuses on the Chicago Firefighters ...Per a spokeman on WLS radio
7/17/2012 04:52:00 AM
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So, part three will either be on Streets or on the teachers. Rahm's hat trick.
We should all be pissed as hell at these fakers, they are on our PENSION. If you are injured and legit then I am all for it, but if you are full of shit then you deserve to be fired and made to pay back the amount you recevied while you were scamming.
I mean hey I wish I was as lucky as a certain individual from 023 tact P.A. who remarkably got injured every spring resulting in him being off for the summer. Coincidence I think not, his wife works for the Board of Education and they need there time together to go on vacations. I mean hey he deserves his duty disability pension while he travels the country in his newly purchased R.V.
Sure is funny that he cannot sit in a squad car for an extended period of time but he can drive an R.V. across the country and go hiking in the National Parks.
Guys like this should be forced to come back to work.
Rahm said it was a cheap trick to publish his photo. What about publishing the name of disabled POs.
chicago's broke , shortshanks has 2 bodyguards and a 200k pension
Some on this blog say I shouldn't get disability pay for sitting around the house. Then say I shouldn't be allowed to work. Some say I should be exercising to get better. Others say I shouldn't be allowed to work out. You want me to have a limited duty job - but not yours. You get a disability benefit because there is no workers comp. If the city does not want to pay they could buy a disability policy for all POs.
When you go on disability you are NOT offered a desk job. When you return for medical evaluations it's made clear that you will not return to work.
Remember Brian Bosworth the football player? He was placed on disability and received a $11 million settlement, tax free. He was allowed to work ANY job. Military personnel collecting disability have no work restriction. Many of them work for CPD while collecting military disability - tell them that they are fakers.
Some of the poster feel the benefit should be reduced. ARE YOU NUTS! Because you are envious (really pathetic) of someone on disability you want to eliminate the benefit for everyone including yourself. I think most of you have safe jobs and no chance of duty disability.
You have no idea what the medical condition of all these officers is. You believe an undocumented story by police hater reporters. There was a time when rats like you were shunned. No one would get in a car with you. You are a loser.
Come on. Look out for one another.
This benefit will be reduced come contract time and you have no one to blame but yourselves. Not the reporters and certainly not the duty disabled POs. In fact when he reduces it Rahm will point to these post and say he's doing you a favor.
You are all very sad.
Anonymous said...
OT. Steve Robbins of the pension board is bringing up a motion to deprive retirees from sitting on the pension board. This will leave an open spot that he will surely try to fill with himself. The guy is a back stabbing one way lying indivadual that will go to any lengths to get what HE wants. Do not trust him... Vote this down...
7/17/2012 08:34:00 PM
Not. It is not on the pension board, we have one retiree rep on the pension board, currently Hauser.
His proposal is to not have retirees sitting on the FOP Board. Currently the FOP Board is heavy with retirees. They vote on issues for active PO's. Why do retirees vote for contract issues for active duty PO's? Should be only active duty PO's making decisions for active duty PO's. Retirees vote only on things affecting retirees. What's the matter with that?
Show me another police union that has as many, if any at all, retirees sitting on the Board of Directors voting on things for active PO's.
I had to agree, should be active PO's only. FOP does not represent retirees since they are not part of the bargaining unit. There is not and never will be any language in the contract regarding retirees rights.
The pension board represents retirees. Period.
OT. Steve Robbins of the pension board is bringing up a motion to deprive retirees from sitting on the pension board. This will leave an open spot that he will surely try to fill with himself. The guy is a back stabbing one way lying indivadual that will go to any lengths to get what HE wants. Do not trust him... Vote this down...
7/17/2012 08:34:00 PM
Straighten up your tinfoil hat.
Steve Robbins working Foot in 001, nice guy; better trustee, maybe better FOP Pres than we have; takes a state law (amendment to 40 ILCS 5/5 to change Board.
AGAIN< the only motion should be to straighten your tinfoil hat!
Does anyone know the reason why we have the current disability system for police officers?
It is because the City wanted it that way! The City saves money by not being part of Workmans Compensation. It is the functional equivalent of being self insured for our squad cars. The City had State law changed to allow the City to exclude itself from Workmans Comp. Also to provide tort immunity, to not allow workers to sue the employer. That is why you cannot sue the City over an IOD, the City had the law changed to be that way.
And what is Rahm trying to do now? It should be OK with everyone if the City wants to junk the current disability system and go completely to a Workmans Comp system. Then we can hire our own lawyers and sue the cock suckers when we get hurt. No more Ed Burke and the Finance Committee denying a claim. We could then bring suit. I know the lawyers would love it.
The City cannot have it both ways, immunity from Workmans Comp and no self insured disability system.
Oh, and the Sun-Times sucks big time on this one. Big goddam FUCK YOU to the Sun-Times. I hope they go broke even faster. Already they closed down their printing plant and laid off the entire workforce. The Tribune prints the Sun-Times. Piece of shit rag. Worth a pile of steaming dog shit, nothing more.
While I'll give them the Hippo hunter, they were off base and should be ashamed for what they did to the heat stroke stricken officer ( 10 days of service or not)
OT
Check out this link where 300 honor students descend on a WalMart in Jacksonville, Fl to trash and loot the store.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-17/news/os-flash-mob-robbers-walmart-20120717_1_trashes-mob-walmart
Steve Robbins the motivational speaker is on the police pension board???? You don't say. I remember he tried to give me the old hucklebuck after a speech in Rosemont.
You know what I think is disgusting? Fellow officers believing crap journalism from reporters who write for a newspaper that consistently bashes police officers, firemen and teachers.
We are weak because we are the only union members that don't stick together. We rat each other out, are quick to believe anything we hear, spread false rumors and are dumb enough to cheer when the loss of benefits is a possibility.
Just because you can't physically see an injury doesn't mean someone is not injured.
This job takes a toll on your back? Maybe you're in your twenties now but after wearing that gear for years, no matter how fit and healthy you are, your back will suffer. Ask any doctor. I have a bad back because of this job. I work full duty. Some days the pain is so bad I want to collapse. Other days are good. You would never know it because I don't talk about it. Again, you can't see it, but if you saw my MRI's, you would.
Stop judging other officers for what you may falsely perceive. You're not aware of what pain unseen injuries cause.
You're happy the city may take away benefits you might need to use in the future. I'm not saying there aren't abusers; they should be addressed.
I'm not going to take the word of biased reporters trying to make officers look bad so they can make themselves look good in the eyes of our corrupt politicians and clueless citizens.
Sticking together is the only way. It will never happen though and that's very sad.
If the City has not and will not put it's share of money into our pensions why does Rahm or anyone representing the city have any standing on any pension issues. Lil Mikey ought to get the FOP lawyers and file suit to remove the city appointed trustees and make some changes to the pension for officers on disability and put the responsibility of caring for the disabled officers back on the city. They were not injured working for the pension board they were injured working for the city. The pension board should be just that pension and only just for people who served and contributed at least 20 yrs.
7/17/2012 09:23:00 AM
Good point. Why is the pension system responsible for paying Workers Compensation cases? Does anyone know? Seems like it saved the City a lot of money by not having to pay the salaries of the 370 on disability. What happens to the money in the cpd budget for those 370 officers who are not getting city pay checks? This disability system we have is awfully inefficient. Seems like they are trying to bankrupt the pension. I can't see how they can ask us to contribute more when they have purposely depleted it.
Blogger sharky said...
OT: Just want to give a shout-out and tell P.O. Marilyn Cullinan, who retired last month, that we miss her on the 2nd Watch in 022. Marilyn handled or assisted on every call she could and had no qualms about locking up the fool or better yey tasing BOO who wanted to fight the Police. Should have come on the job years earlier Marilyn. Worked with alot of PO's that didn't do shit-sorry to say but were afraid. You handled the shit maam. We love you. Good luck in retirement. Got a great family too!
7/17/2012 08:38:00 AM
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Absolutely correct! A Class Act!
7/17/2012 04:48:00 PM
To bad when her was husband was retiring she had him arrested real HERO!
The CFD has one or two legendary scammers. Check out my former neighbor Tom Radicz(sp). Gets caught dealing in stolen Bob Cats,found guilty of felony theft but before discharged has an "accident" gets disability avoids termination and is now building houses. How many fireman received diability for a "heart condition" and collect both diability and a paycheck for a new city job.
8 sgt!'s from 019 reassigned today and another 4 sgt's going to 020 on a 90 day detail. P.O. 's are next. Even if your detailed out of 019, you will be reassigned. A lot of inside people will have their lives turned upside down very soon.
OT
Check out this link where 300 honor students descend on a WalMart in Jacksonville, Fl to trash and loot the store.
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According to the Sun-Times three of them were disabled POs.
You must be the new squeeze.
http://ragdujour.blogspot.com/2012/07/disabled-officers-time-to-rethink.html
Anonymous said...
OT. Steve Robbins of the pension board is bringing up a motion to deprive retirees from sitting on the pension board. This will leave an open spot that he will surely try to fill with himself. The guy is a back stabbing one way lying indivadual that will go to any lengths to get what HE wants. Do not trust him... Vote this down...
7/17/2012 08:34:00 PM
Straighten up your tinfoil hat.
Steve Robbins working Foot in 001, nice guy; better trustee, maybe better FOP Pres than we have; takes a state law (amendment to 40 ILCS 5/5 to change Board.
AGAIN< the only motion should be to straighten your tinfoil hat!
7/17/2012 10:14:00 PM
Well anyone is better than Hauser. he is like ted kennedy in for life but wotes with the enemy
Ferets were all pieces of shit
Doesn't the federal disabilities act come into play?
Steve Robbins let the cat out the bag at Bourbon Street when he let it slip he wants to run for Water Reclamation District someday (that I witnessed). Rahm wants to do away with the pension and figures that he could get the active p.o.’s to vote for a reduced pension system if he dangles a good retro check in front of them. The problem is we all retire but some may be shortsighted enough to take a raise now not realizing what their cost of living is going to be 30/40 years from now. It was the retirees who went in masse to Springfield and to the Police Memorial this year. And Rahm can’t intimidate them like someone who has or wants a good spot. But Rahm needs to take away their right to vote in the classic case of divide and conquer.
Don’t let Robbins sell you down the river for his own benefit. Just by proposing this shows he is already in bed with the devil. This is the cost to get Rahm’s support. While at the Pension Board Steve did vote our way 95% of the time. But as far as the day-to-day operation of the Board Steve did play ball with the City. This is the classic case of sleeping with the enemy.
As we start to negotiate in earnest notice how all the negative stories are coming out in the Scum-Times? Robbins is on Rahm’s payroll a sure as Fran Speilman is.
TRP
1. The City’s reps on the pension board voted for these people too. If the newspaper want to write a real story they should have investigated who the clouted lawyers were who represented the P.O.’s at the disability hearings.
2. Surprise there is no mention of the many officers who are still fighting to get back on the job.
3. The active members rep used to be Ken Hauser. Then it was Steve Robbins who got beat by Mike Shields.
4. Now Steve wants to kick all of the retirees out of the union. Why? The retirees should love Steve as he was our pension board rep. Their would be few if any retirees on the board if we the active members just voted. Is a solution looking for a problem?
Both Steve and now Mike got elected to the Board at an early age. Once they got a taste of the good life they don’t want back on the streets. Steve as a footman in one got his cheery job. Or to anyone working in 3, 4, 5, 6,7, 8, 10, 11, 15 would think it is. But Steve wants a better job. Is Steve setting himself up to run for FOP President next election to get even with Mike for knocking him out at the Pension Board. Will Megan Curry be on Steve’s ticket? Or is Steve willing to kick all of the retirees to the side of the road for some other reason?
I used to call Steve a friend. That is no longer the case because he will not tell us his reason. Steve is not returning phone calls or responding to email either.
an injured copper or firefighter with less than 20 years should be put on workman's comp
over 20 years and give the copper whatever % of pension they earned
end of story , why are people collecting 75% when they worked less than 29 & a day
change this bs system now
I worked in Ident and the warrant office for several years- most of the Light Duty officers were completely useless dogs that the districts didn't want. I had seasoned Light Duty PO's coaching the newer folks on how to get IOD by falling backwards out of a chair.
Anonymous said...
8 sgt!'s from 019 reassigned today and another 4 sgt's going to 020 on a 90 day detail. P.O. 's are next. Even if your detailed out of 019, you will be reassigned. A lot of inside people will have their lives turned upside down very soon.
7/18/2012 12:17:00 AM
You just won't give it a rest, will you? She's not coming back, so move on. You'll be a lot healthier and happier when you do.
The light duty fiasco is something that doesn't take a rocket scientist to remedy. Police work isn't what it once was. Yes, the streets are meaner but in today's cybercrime, high-tech, kiddie porn world there is a greater need for inside law enforcement skills as well. I can think of at least a dozen things injured officers with training could do without chasing down an alley after gangbangers. Just today I was talking to a detective going nuts trying to organize and document a credit card skimming scam
the streest are Meaner? What makes you think that. Statistics certainly do not support your statement.
retirees on the fop board do not vote on the contract. per national by laws retirees are full members.
To 4:48PM
If you don't know the reality of the situation, you shouldn't make such asshat comments. Besides the fact that he is an alcoholic and degenerate gambler, he was also physicaly and mentally abusive to not only her, but also thier kids. He was arrested after disobeying an Order of Protection and and coming to the house after making a threat that "CPD didn't take away his guns." Yes, she is a HERO, for doing what needed to be done to protect herself and her kids.
NOW, BACK TO YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENT WHERE YOU BELONG.
PO Gregory FOSTER and Rocco LAURIE, 9th Pct. (Lower East Side)
Subjects of a good book on the dangerous (to the police) 1970s,
Target Blue by Robert Daley
The department lets this happen and make us all look bad. The medical Dogs (we all know who you are) go on bullshit medical and get paid for a year off with nobody checking on them while they are enjoying the summer going all over watching their precious little kids baseball or hockey games. Your kids not going to be some star so you really don't need to go to every game, your the parent you have a job, or did you forget? Then after you got away with it for so long you want it forever and go on disability like all the other scammers out there. Man up get off the medical, do your jobs, your just screwing over all us who show up for work and were down cars.
OT
Check out this link where 300 honor students descend on a WalMart in Jacksonville, Fl to trash and loot the store.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-17/news/os-flash-mob-robbers-walmart-20120717_1_trashes-mob-walmart
7/17/2012 10:57:00 PM
Video has been removed by the user. Guesse they don't want the honor students to be embar-ASS-ed by showing the truth!!!
Ok I see that but some joker who busts out during "welcome to the gym" gets disability. While an ppo officer that looses an eye during an accident on the job gets nothing
The ppo that lost his eye is getting disability. He is on the list also.
the streest are Meaner? What makes you think that. Statistics certainly do not support your statement.
7/18/2012 10:20:00 AM
i wipe my ass with statistics every day.
Chalkie
Anonymous said...
I worked in Ident and the warrant office for several years- most of the Light Duty officers were completely useless dogs that the districts didn't want. I had seasoned Light Duty PO's coaching the newer folks on how to get IOD by falling backwards out of a chair.
7/18/2012 09:18:00 AM
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Well, I'll tell you that might have been the old days.
Today, to get IOD limited duty you need to have been in the performance of your job.
That means that falling out of chair at work is not in the performance of your job.
You need to be injured affecting an arrest, in a car accident on a hot call or similar type circumstances.
No more slip and fall IOD's.
Sorry
Here is a updated link to the flash mob of 300 honor roll students in the Jacksonville Walmart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PVRnWaoKrE
Anonymous said...
an injured copper or firefighter with less than 20 years should be put on workman's comp
over 20 years and give the copper whatever % of pension they earned
end of story , why are people collecting 75% when they worked less than 29 & a day
change this bs system now
7/18/2012 08:56:00 AM
A. you only get workman's comp if your employer pays into the progran for you Prior to your injury.
B. The employer has to pay for every employee not just a few.
C. The way we do it now costs the city a lot less money. Think if you got hurt working 10-99 a sued the city for putting you in danger on 3rd or 1st watch. The laywer's would be waiting at the medical section the same as they used to wait at traffic court.
As you suggested, why not put them to work in Dispatch?
Those of you who state if they can work in the private sector why not have them work at some job in the department. That is a good question and one for the City to answer since they said they couldn't. I believe you will find the answer is money. The City can and has filled most positions which would be considered light duty with civilians. If you put an officer in that job he must be paid as an officer. Much more than a civilian. If you do that you have trouble with the Union representing the civilian employees who scream that they are doing the same job and should get the same pay as the officer. To those of you who point to officers who have been off an extended period on disability and state they could come back to some position - be careful. Most would love that if possible, because their pension is based upon last day worked, with the years they have their pensions would increase substantially. If you want to really look for scammers look to those cops who were off on disability pension for many years but "miraculously recovered" just in time to work a pay period - increase their pensions and retire at the higher rate. Those are the scammers. Amen.
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