Class Action Suit Coming?
As far as we can tell, the Department did everything correctly. Then the Department members follow the policy as written and do a damn good job at it. And one judge undoes it all while putting officers' personal assets at risk:
- In the latest legal fight between protesters and local authorities, a Cook County judge on Wednesday threw out the charges against 92 Occupy Chicago demonstrators arrested in Grant Park last year, saying the law used against them was unconstitutional.
The city had arrested and charged the protesters last October for not leaving the park after it closed at 11 p.m.
But Cook County Associate Judge Thomas More Donnelly wrote in a 38-page ruling that the curfew law violates the right of free assembly.
In his ruling, the judge said the city treated the Occupy Chicago rally differently than the Obama 2008 presidential election victory celebration in Grant Park. The judge noted that the Obama rally also violated the curfew, but no one was arrested at that event.
So since no one was arrested at the Obama victory party, every action since then is a freebie in terms of closing the parks?
We guess that only follows as no one is arrested for murder 75% of the time in Cook County, therefore murder is legal in most cases and the numbers rise as a result.
This also means that arresting Obama supporters is kind of an obligation now if we ever want to take back the streets and parks.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
126 Comments:
To hell with it. This city can burn along with the rest of the country. I'm moving to Australia. Right after I get my Obama cellphone.
Two 30 year old attorneys with not a lot of experience hand the city their ass!! 5 more years and I'm outta here.
judge says you can not do selective enforcement... so what, you can not use discretion... You would not be able to drive a block from any station, with out locking someone up, or a tvb
We can use all of that NATO money to pay off the lawsuits.
Why the fuck do we risk our lives for these sheep. This wussification of America will be our downfall. Nothing in this backwards Ass county makes sense and its right in front of our faces but late date data ill go strolling along and pretend everything is ok. Ahhhhhhhh get me outta bizzaro world.
why do anything?
I wonder if that judge would rule the law against carrying a gun for self defense is unconstitutional? Not sayin', just sayin'.
Listen to me fellow officers. read above & CYA......
I think your analogies are a bit off.
Letting a mass outing in Grant Park for Obama (was a special permit issued? this may change my opinion), sort of set the precedent that curfew rules are not enforced.
So if you are for Z you can assemble and violate curfew, but if you are for Y no you can't. I think that was the judge's argument and it makes sense to me.
on a different note, i just got out from watching the movie "end of watch" and i can tell you this that it left me choked up evn made me tear up at one point. Aside from a couple of small exaggerations that the director had freedom with, i feel that it was dead on on the partner relationship. Im sure there are other movies but I think that its true, that we may be sitting and bullshitting and laughing looking around for stuff, and then shit hits the fan. I think all leaving the building would agree how some of those things have happened to them. Even the joe giving up some good info for a courtesy was on the money. Enjoy.
The obama thing had prior city permission and maybe a permit... The occupy losers were in the park to set-up camp and stay for who knows how long. Is stupidity a requirement to be a crook county judge???
Every P.O. will say he was just following orders. . . .
It worked at Nuremburg, didn't it??
We need to press for "reasonable immunity" against being sued. Enough is Enough!
So now, I can fish at Montrose after 2300 before 0500?!?!?!? That would be sweet during salmon season seeing as I now have 2 precedents.
Still - its not likely 'till someone puts all the animals back in their cages.
Also, I prefer to have no negative contacts with any office of the law...
This also means that arresting Obama supporters is kind of an obligation now if we ever want to take back the streets and parks.
No problem. My activity has been low lately anyway.
Another 'activist judge'. Hey your honor (no caps): one is given permission and one was specifically told by your Police Officers to exit the park. Is that not simple enough for you?
Why we don't keep a scorecard with these judges names and get rid of them just amazes me. Myself, I just vote against any sitting judge unless I specifically know they are a good judge. Just a suggestion voters.
heres a opportunity to flex some political muscle. vote this mope out of office. show the powers to be we can express our displeasure at elected officials. start with this mope and add a few more. the pols only understand the power of the vote, they run for cover if they think they will be ousted. power to the people!
If they haven't already, here's where a bunch of hair gels will cut their teeth federal lawsuit style. A Crook County judge gives the green light for a civil rights violation suit for 92 liberal jagoffs.
Don't worry, guys and girls...the supervisors that gave the order to "clear the park, every last motherfucker is going to jail tonight!" will be right there with you in federal court from deposition, to listing of personal assets, to decision of punitive damages, to cutting that big, fat check.
What's that, you say? The "boss" isn't anywhere on that paper? Of course they're not, stupid! You and the other pawns that put Lance and Stuart in flex cuffs are the fools in boxes 1 & 2. I knew what some of those clowns were up to when they were taking pictures of the CB numbers on their hands when they left Central "D". Some also have pictures of their arresting officers' badge numbers on their bodies thanks to malfunctioning IDs that were supposed to be scanned for officer information (thank you HQ!!). These clowns were coached by lawyers that make their living going after coppers and the city.
Occupy Chicago is about to occupy the checkbooks of a whole bunch of well-intentioned police officers.
Two more murders and our homicide rate beats last year AGAIN. October is slated to be colder than last year, so .... maybe next month!
No personal assets at risk, yet. Rahm gave these orders, the Municipal Code backed him up, and you did your job. End of story -- you're off the hook, so far.
Rahm might be another story.
But now that Rahm's orders are no good, and the judge ruled he's discriminating against these people, you might want to think twice about carrying out Rahm's orders on these people from here on -- that could put your assets at risk.
These judges are useless fucks. There is a reason crime in this city and county runs rampant. That reason wears black robes and sits on them benches.
Crook County Judges the best money can buy. Elected hacks and lazy as the day is long.
It is time to tell the Judicial branch of our government that they have overstepped their bounds, ignore their rulings and work to impeach them. Since jailing them isn't an option. They are UNELECTED and thwart the will of the people. They are tyrants and need to be deposed. Of course, this will never happen because the democrats LOVE these decisions that neuter the executive branch and their employees, the military and the police. My country is in need or rescue. It won't matter after November, if the messiah is reelected, he'll just do as he pleases. What can the legislature and the judicial branch do against a dictator?
This county employs a number of judges that rule based on their personal beliefs ,not on the law. Every copper on this thankless and meaningless job has at least 1 story ,if not 100 stories of a judge(s) , who made rulings that went something like this, " I believe the officers testimony to be truthful , but I also believe the defendant's accounts of this incident. " A lot of judges also base their decision on pity for the defendant. More goddamn jibberish from political hacks.
And people wonder why I no longer write movers?
Thank GOD, I can go in 19 months, and I'll be maxed out in 3 yrs. This is yet another indication the judges and politicians don't care that they will be the reason this city turns into Detroit.
It's so sad that we were once the greatest city, and they're turning it into a cesspool.
Hope the coppers don,t get sued thanks roam, another not researched screwed up idea putting officers at risk!
CAN I GET AN EVENT NUMBER? If you do anything more you are NUTS.
bottom line is that the only reason these people were arrested was to attempt to stifle their protests. there just is no way around that. In this case the arrests are pretty dubious given the history of allowing people to be in the park after hours previously for a more PC assembly, but one that was very clearly also political in nature. The city cannot expect to be allowed to permit political expression for one group and not another arbitrarily.
It is not as if the city can point to violence or unruly behavior to justify the arrests.
BTW - it does not matter much if you followed the written orders if the written orders are just plain unconstitutional. But, I don't think any cops are on the hook for damages here. This fiasco was very clearly orchestrated by the city, and for no good reason.
My guess is each of the protesters gets $10 or $20 grand and the lawyers get a similar amount. As is often the case, the lawyers are the big winners, and the city is left holding the bag for terrible decision making at the top.
The coppers are fine, relax. And besides, this ruling will very, very likely be overturned on appeal. I suggest that everyone remember this judge's name come election time. Another useless fuck of a lawyer who rang doorbells for the Party.
Anonymous said...
No personal assets at risk, yet. Rahm gave these orders, the Municipal Code backed him up, and you did your job. End of story -- you're off the hook, so far.
Rahm might be another story.
But now that Rahm's orders are no good, and the judge ruled he's discriminating against these people, you might want to think twice about carrying out Rahm's orders on these people from here on -- that could put your assets at risk.
9/28/2012 06:06:00 AM
You are 100% WRONG. And you will see just how wrong when the class action federal civil rights suit gets filed in record time. Educate yourself, fool, lest you become the next ignorant sheep led to slaughter by ignorant and uneducated supervisors and a department and a city that WILL leave all involved officers twisting in the wind. Wake up already you dummies. And try to stay awake enough for the fucking that CA49 is trying to stick in your ass.
Same as locking people up for liquor in the park unless the city allows the sale ala taste of shitcago.
I am a pessimist, but pump the brakes fellas. A lawsuit on this may or may no go through and there is no way any PO is going to get punitive damages on this. This is just another judge being lazy and trying to clear his caseload. The powers that be still have to abide by the U.S. Constitution and they were lawful arrests applied to everybody at the park who were trying to treat it as a campground and were given ample warning to leave. That being said, maybe Judge Donnelly should not benefit from professional courtesy if he is pulled over, we wouldn't want him to think that the law was not being applied evenly.
Wasn't there a post up a couple of days ago about coppers being dogs or something to that affect? (I'm being rhetorical) The department is ran by clouted fools. The city is ran by crooks. And the Crook county judicial system is staffed with imbeciles. To all the people dumping on the “dogs”, what say you now?
Maybe we should Occupy the judge's front yard. Surely that would be free speech too
if you do anything in this rham/obama liberal city your nuts- the judges name says it all- thomas more- liberal fuck- I'm telling you- these fuckers will hang you guys if given the chance
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Two 30 year old attorneys with not a lot of experience hand the city their ass!! 5 more years and I'm outta here.
9/28/2012 12:17:00 AM
3 weeks and I'm gone!
How about you can't bring your own beer onto park property but you can buy city sponsored beer at Taste and drink it without getting arrested.
How can anyone even think about arresting Obama voters during his victory demonstration? The thought repulsed me.
Hmm ... Just a thought...maybe just maybe Obama and the Democratic National Commitee had prior permission and the proper permits in place to be in the park after hours....just a thought.
Don't give me that "Well, the Obama event had a permit" bull. There was no way in hell the city was going to give the occupy group a permit, and therein lies the problem.
the bosses ordered these officers to arrest the protesters--- each individual protester was asked to leave the park and they were arrested if they didn't comply--- they can't be compared to the obama partyers because the occupy protesters planned on staying and setting up a tent city--- look at what happened in new york city at the occupy tent camp, multiple felonies and health and sanitation nightmare--- these smelly occupy dudes were intent on turning grant park into a miniature woodstock which the city obviously wasn't going to let happen--- lets see how far the city goes to back up it's officers....
Is stupidity a requirement to be a crook county judge???
9/28/2012 01:30:00 AM
Why, yes. Yes, it is. Who do you think appoints these judges? That's right, the socialist party of Chicago, otherwise known as the Democratic Machine.
You voted for them, supported them, probably even asked them for favors and went door to door for them or put their signs in your yard.
Reap what you have sown.
That judge is a former PD, isn't he?
That Nelson Stewart from 11 was charged the lockup guy who got caught banging a prostitute tranny prisoner
Just give up. There's no hope here any more. Stay as long as you must, and then leave for where more normal people live. This city is done. Imagine what it'll look like in another ten or fifteen years.
What I can't figure out why all you whiners that say you want to get out of the city, don"t?
Just think of all the P.O.'S who are gonna be defendants because the are in box 1 and 2 and all the bosses again who gave a order but im sure are no where on the paper.
How about the thousand time we told someone to get out the park and the listened and didnt act like a ass forcing us to lock them up.
Now you know why this Clouted Irish Jerk is a judge in Cook County and not working for a major law firm.
So how do you ninja turtle hot shots feel now.
Learn to stick together. Because what's coming your way is going to be a nasty lesson to learn!
nobodys assests will be at stake here. They will file a class action lawsuit naming only the city. Officers may be called in as witnesses. The only people who will be called to testify are the supt and other bosses who ordered the mass arrest. But, this is a whole lot different than the war protests in 03. In this case, everything was documented via video by the cpd and was done by the book. The protesters were given warnings for over two hours and told to leave. When the case gets to federal court THEY WILL LOSE.... Most likely this case will be knocked out in summary judgement. This judge tossed this because he is in tight with alot of the civil law firms. When it goes to motion they will show that there is a law on the books showing trespassing in the parks. The history of no arrests at the parks in the past will BE NULL in a federal civil finding... It will hold no weight. The techniques, the proper amount of time and warning given and video evidence of how it will handled will have this case thrown out in no time. This case wont last two years on the docket after its filed. They will do the deps, discovery then have it knocked out in a motion. The city did a great job here and the rules of mickey mouse county court are much different in federal court. I hope a civil attorney does pick it up and waists a ton of money on it and loses. Good work cpd, this will be a breeze to defend for your attorneys. Nothing malicious was done and the law was upheld as it should have been and it was done properly and professionally. With all the press the cpd got for those occupy arrest and then the way NATO was handled it shows that you didnt go out and beat people and violate any civil rights or wrongfully arrest anyone. This judge was wrong but he is also a low level cook county judge. His finding really means absolutly nothing... this might not even make it to a lawsuit because a higher judge may reverse it on appeal. But if i was the city, I would just take your chances in civil court because your guaranteed a win then you can hit the plaintiffs for attorney fees.. and these are not broke homeless people who cant pay fees, these people have money and you could easily hit them for 5 grand which would be great. Trust me people, not a thing to worry about on this one.
The difference is that the Obama Election Victory committee got permission to hold their rally. From watching court tv, I have realized judges will decide a case according to their personal feeling rather than by the law.
Plus, they said they were taking over the park as a protest.. Obamas victory committee asked permission and used the park so as many of his supporters as possible could celebrate his victory with him and there was no admission fee to pay. That Judges ruling is the silliest thing I ever heard.
I would think that the city could argue that the Obama Rally had a permit to hold the event at the park and therefore was not breaking any rules.
But I do agree that these liberal ass judges are craazt
So does this mean that EVERONE that has ever been arrested for being in a park after it closed was arrested illegally and now has a right to sue?
Can you imagine what some of these parks are going to look like now during the nights.
Good thing this ruling came down AFTER summer was over.
Do nothing!
So Judge Dudd decided to overlook the fact Obummer had a permit and the Occupy folks didn't. Good times.
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Are you fed up with the crap you have to deal with daily in this city? Change begins with the first step...make it in November. Make sure everyone you know is registered to vote. Offer rides to those who need them to register and to vote. Volunteer at the polls and protect our vote. Forget about reading leftist rags and listening to oboma-owned radio and TV networks and their lies knows as "the news." Start your day by reading www.freerepublic.com, or www.theblaze.com or www.breitbart.com. Also, www.drudgereport.com. These are conservative news outlets that give you the TRUTH about what is happening in this country..no spin. Check them out and check the facts they provide. Facts don't lie. The leftist media owned by oboma DOES lie daily as per the direction of dictator oboma. Also, listen to Glenn Beck, 560 WIND-radio daily from 9am-11am. Also, Rush Limbaugh on 89 WLS-radio 11am-2pm daily. And Mark Levin on 89 WLS-radio from 9pm-12 midnight daily. Free downloads daily of his programs on www.marklevinswhow.com.
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Get the truth and read it daily. Each time the left opens its mouth, they LIE. This is one of Socialist Saul Alinsky's rules of the road for leftists...and he is also oboma's idol, according to oboma. LIE, LIE, LIE. When you hear them lie, call them out on it, and be prepared to back it up with facts. You get your facts from conservative news sources, that is if you want to know the truth about what is really happening in this country on a minute to minute basis...check out the links above and prove me wrong. Most of all, we must work together if we are to save this country, our Constitution, freedom, liberty and all that we hold dear. If oboma wins, we will have total socialism, and you will never have the opportunity to vote again for anyone or anything...dictator oboma will see to it. Remember what a hell hole the countries of South Korea, China, Cuba are, to name a few. The USA will become a third world, socialist country if oboma, who hates this country, the military, truth, hard work, who sides with our enemies of this country, who bows to muslims/sympathizes who are trying to kill us and take this country over. oboma is in collusion with the muslim, socialists, marxists, communists, revolutionaries to take over this country and "fundamentally transform" it into a new world order. This is not fiction, it is fact..check out Glenn Beck's www.theblaze.com and learn what information informants/military personnel in Wasington have provided Glenn Beck with that explains this diabolical plan and how oboma is connected. This country is in mortal danger, and the enemy within is oboma.
Read the links, listen to the links and judge for yourself. We are the boots on the ground in this war against oboma and the left, the muslim infiltration into this country, and it's up to us to win this fight in November. The "greatest generation" have passed the banner on to us..we must not let those before us who fought and died in wars past for freedom and liberty to have died in vain..we must win in November.
stupid is as stupid rules...
"The obama thing had prior city permission and maybe a permit... The occupy losers were in the park to set-up camp and stay for who knows how long."
You and the Tiny Dancer think alike. He just said on the radio that the difference is the Obama Mob (my word, not his) had a permit, and was not intending to stay there all night. (How does he know this?) Anyway, He 's caught in a funny dilemma--The Court is using his Messiah's minions over his head while The Dancer defends actions taken against his other followers.... Ha HA! Liberal POS is trying to have it both ways. Good Luck!
6:06 You have no choice but to carry out a direc t order from a superior officer, especially if a that time it hasnt been ruled unconstutional or illegal Refusal to carry out the order will get you terminated. When you get a punitive damage award against you its for punishment, not just for carrying out an order. Usually its for doing something, blatant, or illegal
Jesus christ, there are a lot of morons on these comments. The judge ruled conservatively, jackasses. And your personal assets aren't at risk as the individual officers were following an illegal POLICY.
Morons.
If the officers made the arrest based on probable cause - offenders remaining within/entering the park after 11:00 P.M. - and the law is subsequently declared unconstitutional, wouldn't the officers' good faith effort at the time of the arrest be sufficient to protect the officers from any type of civil action?
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If they haven't already, here's where a bunch of hair gels will cut their teeth federal lawsuit style. A Crook County judge gives the green light for a civil rights violation suit for 92 liberal jagoffs.
Don't worry, guys and girls...the supervisors that gave the order to "clear the park, every last motherfucker is going to jail tonight!" will be right there with you in federal court from deposition, to listing of personal assets, to decision of punitive damages, to cutting that big, fat check.
What's that, you say? The "boss" isn't anywhere on that paper? Of course they're not, stupid! You and the other pawns that put Lance and Stuart in flex cuffs are the fools in boxes 1 & 2. I knew what some of those clowns were up to when they were taking pictures of the CB numbers on their hands when they left Central "D". Some also have pictures of their arresting officers' badge numbers on their bodies thanks to malfunctioning IDs that were supposed to be scanned for officer information (thank you HQ!!). These clowns were coached by lawyers that make their living going after coppers and the city.
Occupy Chicago is about to occupy the checkbooks of a whole bunch of well-intentioned police officers.
9/28/2012 05:44:00 AM
While I agree that there has been a long history of bosses ordering, pressuring, and encouraging coppers to make arrests and then when the shit hits the fan they are no where to be found and deny any involvement, leaving the P.O.'s all alone again. But in this case it's been well documented by numerous video, audio and paper that it was all ordered and executed by the brass and the lowley P.O.'s didn't make a move until ordered. This one will all be on the leadership of the department.
when its all said and done we work for the citizens. it is our duty to protect them. we dont always get reconigtion or praise, mostly form our own. but you can never go wrong doing whats right.
So I guess there is not need for permits to have a parade anymore. Grab some friends and march down Michigan Ave. whenever you feel like it. Want to have a concert with your garage band in Grant park? Have at it. What an ignorant ruling. Just shows you what we are dealing with in Cook County. Doesn't this basically make any permit the city requires unconstitutional?
Typical. Watch his plantiff attorney friends cash in. Corruption and lawyers goes together in Crook County like Illinois Governors going to jail.
Read his biography. Hon. Thomas More Donnelly
Biography
Tom is an Associate Judge of the Circuit Court of Cook County. He is assigned to the First Municipal District. While he currently presides over civil juries, he was assigned to hear criminal jury trials from 2008 to 2009. Previous to those assignments, he sat in judgment enforcement call for four years, domestic violence and traffic calls for approximately a year each.
He chairs the Literature and the Law segment of the Judicial Education Conference for 2010. He serves on the Illinois Supreme Court Committee on IPI Jury Instructions-Criminal and on the Illinois Supreme Court Advanced Judicial Academy Planning Committee. He served as a peer reviewer for the Illinois Judicial Benchbook on Civil Law and Procedure, just published in August 2008. He also serves as a member of the American Arbitration Association’s National Task Force on Issues Related to the Arbitration of Consumer Debt Disputes.
Before becoming a judge, Tom served as an assistant public defender in Cook County for 13 years. For 11 of those 13 years, he was a supervisor in the training, first municipal, and post conviction units. He has both trial and appellate court experience.
He serves on the Illinois Judicial Ethics Committee, He has chaired both the CBA Chicago Bar Association (CBA) Professional Responsibility Committee and the Illinois State Bar Association (ISBA) Standing Committee on Professional Conduct. He coauthored an online annotation on Illinois Legal Ethics for Cornell Law School available at www.law.cornell.edu/ethics/Illinois.html. He is also a member of the ISBA Civil Practice Section Counsel. He served as the Reporter for the Illinois Supreme Court Committee on Professional Responsibility (1996-2000).
Tom also serves as an adjunct professor at Loyola Law School, where he also directs the Philip H. Corboy Trial Advocacy Fellowship. He has directed the fellowship for the past ten years. He currently teaches Illinois Litigation at Loyola. He has taught Illinois Tax Litigation and Procedure, Professional Responsibility, and Criminal Procedure at Loyola. He is a past recipient of the St. Robert Bellarmine Award for a distinguished young alumnus and is an honorary member of Loyola‘s Circle of Advocates.
He has taught trial advocacy at the University of Chicago Law School in the Mandel Legal Aid Clinic. He has lectured at Washington and Lee Law School, Marquette Law School, and DePaul Law School.
He recently authored Survey of Illinois Law: Enforcement of Judgment, 31 S.IU.L.J. 819 (2006) (coauthored with Judge Sanjay Tailor) and The Leaven of the World: Serving the Poor is Neither the Air in the Balloon nor the Cherry on the Sundae, 43 Gonz.L.Rev. 607 (2007-2008).
He sits on boards of, the Catholic Lawyers Guild of Chicago, the John Howard Association, and the National Center for the Laity. He is the father of four boys and married to Anne Wicker. They live in Queen of Angels Parish in the Lincoln Square Neighborhood of Chicago.
Fuck NATO and Fuck the UN!
I was just reading a news article via a link on the DRUDGE Report..as if we aren't TAXED enough in the People's Republic of Illinois, the article relates about future planned attempts by the UN to initiate a "Global Tax!"
W-T-F!..
France raised the tax rate on Millionaires to 75%..
The whole world is coming apart at-the-seams..
But it will be okay..because all the losers of society will have free Obama cell phones and be fed a steady diet of "Honey Boo Boo" 24/7 on their subsidized cable tv!
"‘Killing Is The Solution,’ Gang Member Tells Walter Jacobson"
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/09/27/killing-is-the-solution-gang-member-tells-walter-jacobson/
Rahm should follow his homelands lead and erect a wall separating the savages on the south and west sides from the civilized section of Chicago.
What a fucked up society cook county has become. But hey, u people voted for it. HAH !
Come on, the arrests were ordered by ranking exempt members with permission from the Sup and the Mayor.
The city is going to pay these goofs, the cops won't.
Well we were instructed NO arrests, and if arrest HAD to be made- NO mention of Grant Park or Obama was to be made.
Dear judge, the Obama rally had a PERMIT
good I'm with the judge on this one you can't pick and choose who you want to take to jail, this group can stay but this group can't, fair is fair we are all equal
Two 30 year old attorneys with not a lot of experience hand the city their ass!! 5 more years and I'm outta here.
Atty. Tom Durkin is not 30 yrs. old. Smart and very experienced, but could definitely use some hair gel.
OT but very threatening to us:
Madigan and Rahm are trying to back door us on our pension by trying to ram through CA 49. We must do everything, and I do mean everything, in our power to defeat this.
What's this I hear about 20 Oct 2012 in Grant Park?
Something about a police picnic in the park.
OT --
The strategy -- codified at our expense by none other than CeaseFire -- of "not being a snitch" continues to bear fruit.
Ch. 7 reporting another fatal shooting. They say the dead guy was shot and wounded earlier this year, but refused to cooperate with police. He also refused to provide information in the recent fatal shooting of someone known to him.
Now someone finished the job.
I keep hearing this same story.
The other one that keeps echoing lately is "he/she moved away to save themselves/Mama/babies but came back to the block from (fill in distant location) and was tragically shot to death while coming out of party/hanging in front of building in middle of night."
Like the guy who got blasted on his front porch for yelling at kids not to bust up his work truck -- the block pulls you down. The block draws back its own no matter how far they run.
Who you think you is?
No one here gets out alive.
(And spare us the takeoff on that last line. Not funny, at least not to adults.)
Damn right it worked at Nuremberg..and every other act of genocide in the 19th and 20th centuries..
"In his ruling, the judge said the city treated the Occupy Chicago rally differently than the Obama 2008 presidential election victory celebration in Grant Park."
Yeah, the city did exactly that. One event was a heavily-secured, controlled, and time-limited appearance by a Presidential candidate. The other was a gathering of protesters who spouted constant violent rhetoric, wanted to camp out in the park, and whose organization had just caused millions of dollars in damage in an assault on Oakland, Calif.'s City Hall and other buildings and facilities.
I think that there was demonstrably ample reason, by way of simple common sense, to handle the two events differently.
Two 30 year old attorneys with not a lot of experience hand the city their ass!! 5 more years and I'm outta here.
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Just don't eff it up by having sex with a prisoner...K?
"Every P.O. will say he was just following orders. . . .
"It worked at Nuremburg, didn't it??"
--9/28/2012 02:06:00 AM
Your analogy equating clearing a city park after posted hours with "genocide" makes perfect sense.
Not.
Anonymous said...
We can use all of that NATO money to pay off the lawsuits.
9/28/2012 12:34:00 AM
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Yeah our NATO partners.. Where's all the tourist from the NATO showcase?
They're supposed to be flocking here with sacks full of cash to spend at the Sanctuary City. I don't see them.
(video)Oh look here they are in Greece
(video)and Oh look and in Spain too
Nice eh?
This was three days ago.
Do you see anything about it in the USA media? NOPE.
It should be front page news don't you think?
We see fabricated bullshit in USA media instead about Chick-Fil-A and Jimmy Hoffa is under a driveway in Detroit krap. We hear about women's body rights. Lesbian and gay rights, etc.
Yeah that's important to a certain level however the economy effects EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS AND MORE. No one wants to talk about that.
We're about six months to a year behind Greece, Spain, Portugal, economically speaking I figure. All these myths about job growth and economic growth/recovery will change to austerity cuts right after the elections and as you can see desperate people do desperate things.
25% Unemployment + <50% youth unemployment + spending cuts and austerity == Chaos
It's getting worse not better.
In Chicago:
Two bodies found in the trunk of a car today. Three people shot in a fire-fight on the south side. A man pulled from the lake this morning.
And the eff-ing mayor is worried about political protestors in a park because they may put up a tent and go to sleep there. WTF are you NUTS!
You're gonna pass that off as worrying about the citizens safety as 10,000 gang members freely roam around with weapons and contraband shooting up the streets -- shooting up the streets with the homicide count for the year busting thru the 400 mark. SERIOUSLY?? You expect the people of Chicago to buy this s--t you're trying to shovel?
Rahm, are you eff-ing retarded?
Ahh but not to worry. Rahm vows to use every last dime of our pension money to challenge the US constitution and to protect his ego.
Appeal upon appeal, pension money to the lawyers friends. Maybe we can hire a Daley law firm to present the case ya know. Send the pension money that way.
Yeah I know, I know. What's he talking about. They can take money out of the pension for this. Yep you're right. They can just skip the pension payments that they are supposed to be making again to pay for this personal agenda stuff that's all.
Yep the money in the left pocket should not and can not be exchanged for money in the right hand pocket you know that right. heh.
Hunker down. More layoffs and economic hardships are on the way.
I am sick and tired of all these young punks. I was at both events. The city should argue this on at least 2 different ave. 1st if the Obama celebration had a permit use that.
Also I was at both events. When the Obama celebration ended the people were told to go and they did in an orderly fashion. Yes it was after 11pm and they were told to leave and they didn't.
In this situation it was also after 11pm and when they were told that the park was closed and had to leave, they refused to go. It was about 1AM before they started to arrest the occupy Chicago people. That gave them plenty of time to leave if they wanted to.
Trust me I can't stand Rahm. But this asshats can go get screwed. They will be looking for money next. And I am tired of this city dishing out taxpayer money to them.
Fight it 100% of the way.
Rahm is like a house guest that got a hold of your credit cards and he's running around running up a bunch of debt, your debt, while pointing at all the things he's charging up to show that you're better off.
Now it's the CTA $7 million for the Red line, $10 Million for the Orange line, $9 million for the blue line or whatever the exact numbers are. Where's all this money coming from? How much are we in debt again and Rahm is on a buying spree!
It's like that house guest buying you a new HDTV big screen, Iphones for all the family members and maybe even a new car. Look at all that economic growth he created for you by using your credit cards. Are you better off than four years ago? Heh, don't worry the bills for everything he's charging now won't be here until after elections. Mission Accomplished!
After Nov. it will be OMG this debt we have to cut more health care, more pensions, more wage cuts, offer buyouts to rid the city of the payroll expenses. Yeah. after charging up all this shit like the $55 mil.. Maggie Daley park and the bike paths etc will have to take the money out of your pensions, your healthcare, your wages. Rahm with his sad face playing the victim will be telling us all on how he's trying to save something for you after he's destroyed everything and transferred the wealth.
So many things going through my mind right now.. What IF those were oh say TEA PARTY protesters who for some unforeseen reason decided not to clear out OR decided to CAMP.. would this same judge have ruled the same way??? I have to say I highly doubt it..
On the matter of the police being held personally responsibility for arresting these idiots.. there should be NO WAY that can be done.. the park is CLOSED at 11 P.M. anyone remaining should be either arrested or physically removed..from what this moron judge said it's OPEN season on remaining in Parks after they are closed so why would we even HAVE a CLOSE time if it's not enforced???
Chicago is its own worst enemy. Another slap in the face to the CPD. Perhaps these knuckleheads will go and camp out on this judge's lawn. He deserves them.
Michael Sweig
We are lost. This is ridiculous. Did you hear that sound as the jackpot came up as winners?
Would you prefer Rahm to say what's legal and what's not?
Anonymous said...
The obama thing had prior city permission and maybe a permit... The occupy losers were in the park to set-up camp and stay for who knows how long. Is stupidity a requirement to be a crook county judge???
9/28/2012 01:30:00 AM
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I guess Corp. Council lawyers aren't that smart either
Seriously, SCC. No one's assets are at risk. Get real.
Hey, maybe Dan Herbert's old partner Tom Needham will file the case. He's a civil rights lawyer now, suing the popo.
I wonder if any officers refused to lock up the protesters because they thought it was an unconstitutional arrest? and then were disciplined for not following orders?
Will these officers now be able to sue?
And what are you prepared to do when a higher rank officer orders you to arrest someone when you know that said arrest is illegal and unconstitutional?
When a supervisor orders you to do something illegal, do you just do and say, "Exempt so-and-so ordered me to do so." Do you think that will get you off the hook when you get sued? Do you think Exempt so-and-so will have your back in court and fall on the sword for you: "Yes your honor. I ordered those officers to arrest those protesters, and I'd do it again if i had the chance. I ask for mercy from the court."
Was there anything in writing anywhere that ordered the officers to arrest the protesters? Was it on video? and if it was, do you think the department will present it at trial to show which exempts ordered the mass arrests? just to cover a blue shirt's ass?
How does the kool aid taste now?
The city is going to appeal, sure waste more money on trying to prosecute 92 people, I thought we were broke? You gave it a shot and wasted enough tax payer money just leave it alone and move on to the next.
Really, if you think about it, we the police may disagree with the protesters politically and philosophically, but that should not mean we should disagree with their right to protest what they think is wrong. I don't agree with their politics, but under the United States Constitution, the People have a right to assemble, free speech, and to petition the government to redress perceived wrongs.
We protest all the time on this blog, and Thanks SCC for providing this forum.
But are our voices here being heard? Are we just shouting in a closed room, where no one else hears what we protest about (2nd Amendment for example).
The protesters were speaking out against the very politicians who are trying to take our pensions and our right to bear arms. I don't agree with their politics, but we dislike the same people.
There's a saying: My enemy's enemy can sometimes be my friend.
Thanks again for this blog SCC. Be safe.
Silence Dogood said...
Every P.O. will say he was just following orders. . . .
It worked at Nuremburg, didn't it??
9/28/2012 02:06:00 AM
Ben, u r an idiot who does not even know what u r talking about.
Slightly O/T:
As predicted...
Another hit piece played forward to deflect from the A.S.A "stepping in it."
The lock up keeper from 011 who did a bow down for a prisoner...
That's some straight grimy shit.
DNA evidence too...
When will people stop doing stupid shit?
Cub fan said...
Two more murders and our homicide rate beats last year AGAIN. October is slated to be colder than last year, so .... maybe next month!
9/28/2012 05:49:00 AM
did you already count the two guys found in the trunk today?
The Cook county judges are like the NFL replacement refs- useless!
FLOP SILENT Endorses tyhe likes of Ommaa and any Demo
I wonder how much are they going to be asking for.
OT--
[Another] Pill Hill neighborhood shooting leaves teen dead
9:22 p.m. CDT, September 28, 2012
"Someone fatally shot a 17-year-old boy in the head tonight in the Pill Hill neighborhood on the Far South Side, authorities said.
"The boy, whose name is not being released immediately pending notified [sic] of family, was shot in the 9200 block of South Chappel Avenue..."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-pill-hill-neighborhood-shooting-leaves-teen-dead-20120928,0,6958693.story
Keep on playing police and you little clowns will pay out of your own funds.
Lefty the rich lawyer....I need a new sailboat...thanks ass clowns
Emanuel predicts reversal of Occupy ruling
6:54 p.m. CDT, September 28, 2012
"The city will reverse a Cook County judge’s ruling that tossed out the mass arrests of Occupy Chicago protesters in Grant Park, Mayor Rahm Emanuel predicted Friday, saying his administration's enforcement of a park curfew is on “firm ground as it relates both to public safety and First Amendment rights..."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-emanuel-predicts-reversal-of-occupy-ruling-20120928,0,7641936.story
This is rahmunism at it's best/worst. The police get squashed under the "Bus", runt the rahmunist says "not me "! Shit rolls down hill all the way to the bottom of the hill. The runt is at the top, police get covered with poop while standing at the bottom as "Ordered".
WHAT A FUCKING JOKE... judge was probally out there protesting with them.... so people can just set up camp where ever the fuck they want?? I hope they are going to appeal this is or something
Impossible! These hippies don't stand a chance in hell of winning anything from the city.....
After all we have Debra "Kabuki" Kirby on our side. The finest legal mind since Algonquin J. Calhoun.
Kabuki and Steve "Kingfish" Georgas were at the helm of this grand endeavor and they wouldn't have steered us right onto the rocks. No How, No Way. Individually, either of them is smart enough to make Magellan look like Wrong Way Corrigan.
Together, they are the Cray - 2 of law enforcement. As if they weren't intelligence overkill already we also had Spiro "Mega Mind" Georgas.
After NATO was over, thousands of MENSAA members across the globe just gave up, abandoning their academic pursuits and joining the world's homeless demographic begging loose change at bus terminals and highway intersections.
BUILD A NICE CAMPGROUND IN THE PARK near the zoo.
You can put all those stop light and speed cameras there!
This judge is a jag...I am still involved in a bullshit lawsuit because of him. He took the side of the drunken defendants against State Police and stated he knew they were not drunk or the state would have made them blow. How could the state make them blow on an incident that occurred on the expressway and no one was in their vehicle when state arrived? The incident was a battery against an ODPO from road rage! He further stated that they were in collusion with CPD. None of his ruling based on real evidence. Just what he thought! Ass...
Exactly why I went to 1st watch before all this chaos!
Anonymous said...
Typical. Watch his plantiff attorney friends cash in. Corruption and lawyers goes together in Crook County like Illinois Governors going to jail.
Read his biography. Hon. Thomas More Donnelly
Biography
Tom is an Associate Judge of the Circuit Court of Cook County. He is assigned to the First Municipal District. While he currently presides over civil juries,
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He sits on boards of, the Catholic Lawyers Guild of Chicago, the John Howard Association, and the National Center for the Laity. He is the father of four boys and married to Anne Wicker. They live in Queen of Angels Parish in the Lincoln Square Neighborhood of Chicago.
9/28/2012 03:04:00 PM
So fucking what?
From a troll: Tom is another judicial genious from Cook County isn't he?. This asshole is a perfect example of why the Cook County court system, both criminal and civil is in the poor condition it is in. Think of it; there are jurisdictions in Cook County where a cop is required to complete a competitive written exam, physical agility tests, a polygraph, psych and physical medical exams, oral interviews with a board of police and fire commissioners, interviews with the Chief of police and what is the testing process for people who sit in judgment of others or for that matter, politicians who are elected and charged with setting social policy? The answer is nothing as the bio that someone above posted other than pass an elective beauty contest. And we continue to wonder exactly who is screwing up government? Are you kidding? It is unsuitable guys the likes Tom I believe.
If the officers made the arrest based on probable cause - offenders remaining within/entering the park after 11:00 P.M. - and the law is subsequently declared unconstitutional, wouldn't the officers' good faith effort at the time of the arrest be sufficient to protect the officers from any type of civil action?
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Not a cop.
I suspect the individual cops get a pass, as they probably should. It does not appear to me that the individual cops involved took action on their own volition, and the situation was murky enough as to the 1A rights of the protesters that they probably are not at risk personally.
The city on the other hand, ought to have known better. The control freaks downtown just could not leave well enough alone and could not resist going after a few people camped out peacefully for a few days in a park. Granted, it was in violation of a very minor city ordinance but sometimes instead of being stupid you need to use your head and let things you don't like pass.
Now instead of a few paragraphs in the newspaper at the time mentioning some protesters that camped out in a park, you get months and years of coverage out of it.
No matter which way it goes in the end, the department and the city handed the protesters a bit of a victory in this skirmish after the protesters lost the main battle, with considerable potential for making the skirmish into a major victory.
The best thing the city can do is settle quickly and get it out of the papers. But history says they will fight it and make it worse instead of admitting their mistake.
As for what a cop is to do when faced with an order that may or may not be legal to obey, that is a tough question to answer. Perhaps it would be a good idea for FOP to have a lawyer on site for these kinds of things that is well versed in 1A law to advise individual cops who might have questions. But my guess is that cops being cops they are inclined toward doing as they are told. It is part of the job to follow orders, like it is for evey employee, and it is tough to have the nerve to even ask whether what one is being told to do is the right thing. It calls a lot of attention to an individual that most people just do not want. And even if the lawyer tells them some thing, the city might not agree and there will likely be negative consequences for failing to follow even blatantly illegal orders, much less murky things like this.
There is also the issue that likely a majority of cops did not have much sympathy toward the protesters POV and when given a chance to take action against them, probably never really thought much about it.
Anonymous said...
good I'm with the judge on this one you can't pick and choose who you want to take to jail, this group can stay but this group can't, fair is fair we are all equal
9/28/2012 03:57:00 PM
Typed on your iPhone with all the usual bad grammar, spelling and lack of capitalization where required. You Occupy pussies are useless. Now go take a shower.
You guys are full of crap on this thread. The judge is an excellent judge and is right on with his ruling: You can't decide you'll give a permit to Obama but not to others and then conduct mass arrests. The ruling will be upheld, notwithstanding Rahm's pressure on the Supreme Court part of whom he helped elect. And no, your personal assets are not at risk. It would not be obvious to a reasonable officer that the arrests are unconstitutional -- you are protected by qualified immunity. If judges had to worry about your possible exposure to 1983 suits every time they ruled on constitutional questions, they'd never rule anything unconstitutional. Coming across rulings like these is part of the job, please grow up and deal with it.
Anonymous said...
Impossible! These hippies don't stand a chance in hell of winning anything from the city.....
After all we have Debra "Kabuki" Kirby on our side. The finest legal mind since Algonquin J. Calhoun.
Kabuki and Steve "Kingfish" Georgas were at the helm of this grand endeavor and they wouldn't have steered us right onto the rocks. No How, No Way. Individually, either of them is smart enough to make Magellan look like Wrong Way Corrigan.
Together, they are the Cray - 2 of law enforcement. As if they weren't intelligence overkill already we also had Spiro "Mega Mind" Georgas.
After NATO was over, thousands of MENSAA members across the globe just gave up, abandoning their academic pursuits and joining the world's homeless demographic begging loose change at bus terminals and highway intersections.
9/29/2012 12:24:00 AM
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
I Love You!
"Every P.O. will say he was just following orders. . . .It worked at Nuremburg [sic], didn't it??"
--9/28/2012 02:06:00 AM
"Damn right it worked at Nuremberg..and every other act of genocide in the 19th and 20th centuries.."
-- 9/28/2012 05:18:00 PM
"Nuremberg." S__t. You don't even know what the word refers to.
Where did you learn history -- "Hogan's Heroes?" Ignorant screwballs, both of you. Scream "Nazi" at your teddy bear and bang it on the floor. Go away.
0727 Those officers did nothing wrong. They followed an order from a superior which is what you are required to do. No one was disciplined or refused and order that now all of a sudden is unconstitutional At the time of arrest it was not unconstutional, only now that one lowest level judge ruled and may or will be verturned on appeal. Thios is just the start of the ruling and will probably be overturned
Anonymous said...
To hell with it. This city can burn along with the rest of the country. I'm moving to Australia. Right after I get my Obama cellphone.
9/28/2012 12:07:00 AM
you must want that "socialist" health care down under? make sure you pay for your health care.
The people at the Obama rally in grant park weren't camping out. they went home. that's why they weren't arrested.
Anonymous said...
The obama thing had prior city permission and maybe a permit... The occupy losers were in the park to set-up camp and stay for who knows how long. Is stupidity a requirement to be a crook county judge???
9/28/2012 01:30:00 AM
Thank you.
Read the BS opinion here:
http://www.iapa-il.org/news/Chicago_vs_Alexander.pdf
So I guess permits will be a thing of the past. Want to have a parade down Michigan Avenue during rush hour, go ahead. Want to put on a concert with your garage band in Grant park, feel free. I guess the homeless can now turn all of the parks into cardboard cities. Oh yeah, if you allow someone to have a handgun with a permit then everyone should be allowed to have handguns, permit or no. The last one is actually in the constitution.
The protesters were speaking out against the very politicians who are trying to take our pensions and our right to bear arms. I don't agree with their politics, but we dislike the same people.
There's a saying: My enemy's enemy can sometimes be my friend.
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Wow. You actually believe that these leftist nuts are friends with ANYONE? Their hatred is just at them for them moment. They hate the police and the military. They would throw gas on the fire that would burn us, given half a chance. Leftists don't have any loyalty or common sense.
"Letting a mass outing in Grant Park for Obama (was a special permit issued? this may change my opinion), sort of set the precedent that curfew rules are not enforced.
So if you are for Z you can assemble and violate curfew, but if you are for Y no you can't. I think that was the judge's argument and it makes sense to me."
9/28/2012 12:55:00 AM
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Precisely the judge's argument. Read the decision. Permit issue is covered: there is no exception to the curfew for permit holders. Other argument city makes is protesters were asked to leave, but by not asking Obama rally attendees to leave selective enforcement was set up.
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