A Law Already On The Books
- One measure to curb gun violence in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre took a major step forward in the Senate Monday when a bipartisan group of senators agreed to push a bill designed to crack down on gun trafficking.
The measure, the Stop Illegal Trafficking of Firearms Act of 2013, merges a Democratic effort by Sens. Pat Leahy (Vt.) and Dick Durbin (Ill.) with a similar effort by Sens. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and Mark Kirk (R-Ill). It also adds another Republican as a supporter, Maine's Susan Collins.
The bill would make it a crime -- with stiff penalties -- to purchase weapons on behalf of someone else who is barred from possessing weapons. Such "straw purchases" are believed to be the leading source of guns trafficked to criminals.
- Apparently "lawmakers" who are completely ignorant of current law.
18 USC 922(d)(1)-(9) makes it a crime to transfer to a prohibited person.
18 USC 924(a)(2) specifies fine and up to 10 years in prison for doing so.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/924
Either these "lawmakers" are completely incompetent or just looking for camera time.”
We're going to say it's a little bit from column A and a little bit from column B.
Once again, a failure to enforce existing law and then passing a law that merely reaffirms what is already on the books without adding any sort of penalty so everyone can feel good about "doing something."
Once again, a failure to enforce existing law and then passing a law that merely reaffirms what is already on the books without adding any sort of penalty so everyone can feel good about "doing something."
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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http://news.msn.com/us/judge-towns-speeding-cameras-are-3-card-monty-scam
Would this law apply to a government agency passing firearms to a Mexican drug cartel?
I pointed this out to dick"turban" durbin
and mark "the jerk" kirk as other have.
Others have said this not new and durbin and kirk keep saying it is
They're desperately trying to justify their existence. Really, at some point, pretty much all the laws that you can write are going to be written. THEN what do you do to justify your existence? Why, you RENAME them and pass them AGAIN!
(Or, you become the food police and ban foie gras, big gulps and energy drinks.)
Call it what it really is: nothing but pseudo-legislative masturbation.
New York City Police Pension Fund to keep gun and ammo stocks
New York City Police Pension Fund will retain its $9.97 million investment in five gun and ammunition companies, according to Patrick Lynch, president of the New York City Patrolmen's Benefit Association and a member of the police pension fund board.
“We oppose criminals having guns, not law enforcement and law-abiding citizens,” Mr. Lynch said in a statement provided by Al O'Leary, a spokesman for the Patrolmen's Benefit Association. “While the social impact of pension investments can be a consideration, there is no evidence that the manufacturers of these weapons that are the tools of the trade for law enforcement have done anything improper. The pension board's primary responsibility is to make sound, financial investments.”
Mr. O'Leary, in an interview, said the pension fund board didn't take a formal vote. He said board members had been briefed by New York City Comptroller John Liu on the gun- and ammunition-related investments. Mr. Liu is the investment adviser, custodian and trustee of the five city pension funds within the $127.5 billion New York City Retirement Systems.
The $9.97 million investment in gun and ammunition companies represents a tiny portion of the $26.8 billion police pension fund, according to data provided by Connor Osetek, a spokesman for the comptroller.
Alliant Techsystems Inc. accounts for more than half of the total police pension fund's weapons investment with $5.45 million. Other pension fund investments are in Olin Corp.; Sturm, Ruger & Co. Inc.; Smith & Wesson Holding Corp.; and Forjas Taurus SA.
The $46.6 billion New York City Teachers' Retirement System voted last month to divest its $13.5 million in shares of the same five gun and ammunition companies.
expect the application of this to, at some point, include the requirement that all purchasers provide proof of current possession of all items purchased.
default step towards national firearm registration.
Either these "lawmakers" are completely incompetent or just looking for camera time
I'm thinking that on review of past performance, a whole BUNCH of "A".
Similar to the "lets make it illegal to run guns across the border" bill.
Duh! dipshits - already a crime to "export" without a State Dept permit.
"...a failure to enforce existing law and then passing a law that merely reaffirms what is already on the books without adding any sort of penalty so everyone can feel good about "doing something."
...and name the whole thing after some girl who seems to have gotten killed while getting high with gangbangers, when rival gangbangers stopped by to object to the proceedings.
Biden says we don't have the resources to enforce current law, so we must pass new laws.
As you say, it makes it appear that they're doing something.
Dick Durbin poked his head out of the hole again it must be election time.
But we dont need to hire any more guys. Lets pass some of those laws here in Chicago. It would reduce crime. Yeah right.
Look at the law sponsors. 'Nuff said.
We have enough laws, what we need to do is get some politicians who have the political will to stand up to the thugs and back the police so that we can enforce the laws. I quit>
Its mostly from #B. They have to be shown doing something and since no one reads the US Code, everyone will get excited to show that they are going to stop this.
BTW
Who is going to enforce this? FBI?ATF? who .. the answer is NO ONE.
How many gun crimes were prosecuted by the USA out of the Northern District last year? 2011? 2010? thats what you really need to look at.
Reminds me of the guy in the Goodfellas movie who always said something twice.
So now these LIBTARDS can walk around with their chests proudly puffed out saying' See I did something,I'm all for no -more killin of the Chillens. What a bunch of DOPES!!!!!!!!!!!
You mean Eric Holder broke the law!
and dumb durbin is running again and will win! Same old tired rehashed bullshit! Durbin was at airport all smug glaring at coppers he only cares about illegals/link card holders !
-Off Topic-
Well, it does pertain to guns, so it kind of relates.
Beware of the Cook County Sheriff
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_23/519611_BEWARE_OF_THE_COOK_COUNRY_SHERIFF_The_Games_Have_Begun.html
I read that jagoff Durbin is running again in 2014. I hope the repubs can put up a good person to run. Our state would be in better shape without the thieving democrats.
When will this grandstanding for the camera end ? Durbin needs to be fired and I hope there is a huge campaign to relieve him of our money when he is up for re election.
When will this grandstanding for the camera end ? Durbin needs to be fired and I hope there is a huge campaign to relieve him of our money when he is up for re election.
CITY HALL — Chicago's gun offender registry needs to be expanded to include the names of people busted committing crimes with a gun, Ald. Ed Burke (14th) said Thursday. And Mayor Rahm Emanuel agrees.
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130307/chicago/city-may-expand-gun-offender-registry
What happens when all the names are of black people? That would be ray-cyst
Duh, of course they're looking for camera time, they're politicians. Making something more illegal won't change a thing but at least these two losers can now campaign on the fact they did something. Extra points for being able to work in the name of a murder victim too. Shame on the parents for letting their dead daughter be used as a prop.
Illustrating Chicagoland Idiocy, Mayhem and Stupidity at heyjackass.com
they attack all the legit people and threaten the 2nd admendment meanwhile they do little to nothing to the thousands and thousands that use guns to commit crimes. the revolving door policy in cook county is sickening
Look, public! We're doing something! Pathetic. You can't legislate your way out of controlling the behavior of savages and lunatics.
he roll call of names sounds like a round table of "workers of the world unite" All are the living excuse for what's the use!This coutry needs another political party for the people , not the socialist or commie's.All are real piece;s of work.
SCC; can you please post the names of the pension fund people who took our investment funds away from the gun and ammo manufacturers. I will never vote them back into office.
Dick "Duban" before he dick's you, same goes for jerkoff kirk.Leahey has been a commie for years.
Hey! You self aggrandizing politicians! You want to pass a law that would make a difference? Pass a law instructing judges to put gun offenders in jail. Maybe name it after an officer that was killed in the line of duty, someone like Alex Valadez. Oh wait, there IS such a law. Which is not used is it?
You phony pricks.
This is already on the books.Unless they are just doing this to appease the anti-gun crowd,then fine.But criminals still do not obey any law.
We don't need more laws. We need to enforce the laws we have now.
Man this city is so full of shit.
Mr. southside (08:05 AM) has the right idea. we should call durbin "Dicky two times".
Political grandstanding, nothing more.
Lying on ATF form 4473 (the background check when you purchase a gun) is already a felony, and that form requires you to affirm that you are the buyer of the gun and are not a straw purchaser.
Anonymous said...
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3/09/2013 12:05:00 AM
I agree. Stay away from Fox River Grove, IL. Assholes with red light scamera system at IL route 22 & US 14. You can't win. They say it's for "safety", but if it was really a safety issue, why not just install NO TURN ON RED signs; that way nobody can make a right turn on red. OOPS! If they did that, they wouldn't be able to give out $00 tickets by mail, that you can't fight. And no, it doesn't matter if you come to a complete stop. WHAT A SCAM!
More feel good legislation that already exists. How about something that works and won't strip us of our second amendment rights.
When they aren't measuring the size of your soda or making sure you aren't eating foi gras, they have to make it appear that they are doing something important.
The old law is new again !
Politicians just love circle jerks !!
term limits.
"Pass a law instructing judges to put gun offenders in jail. Maybe name it after an officer that was killed in the line of duty, someone like Alex Valadez. Oh wait, there IS such a law. Which is not used is it?"
And therein lies the rub.
The Cook County ASA would rather hang this over an offender's head to force them to plead to a lesser offense than go to trial on something she might have to actually fight. That, plus judges would rather a plea agreement be offered than have to sit on the bench all day, "listening", "litigating" and well, JUDGING.
As far as federal involvement goes, good luck. As an earlier poster said, Biden says we don't have the personnel to enforce those laws.
Apparently passing more laws is somehow the answer.
It's all an effort to make it appear that they're "doing something" about the problem.
The fact that that it will have no long-term effect means nothing.
As another previous poster said, you can't regulate the actions of savages. You know it. The elected know it. The savages? They're unaware of ANY of this.
rb
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