Another Astute Observation
The smartest commentators in the world as demonstrated in the post about Undercover - Uncovered:
- What happened to getting rid of specialized units and specialization. Specialization costs money! Patrol is the backbone of the department, is it not?
In fact, wasn't that Rahm and Garry's philosophy from day one? More with less and specialized units disbanded across the board (instead of eliminating redundancy as we advocated). Now here we are two years later, reconstituting and bolstering specialized units since the homicide rate skyrocketed and the hiring freeze was lifted.
History repeats itself, pretty quickly in this case.
History repeats itself, pretty quickly in this case.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
82 Comments:
Please bring back msf. I want to show off my msf tatoos again!
Well lets state the obvious. Beefing up fugitive and Narcotics isnt exactly going to help reduce homicides. The bs area saturation teams dont accomplish much. Lets go back several years to when Cline was the sup. Man power was not as depleted and we had sos and tru. Sos had the specialty units ie swat, dignitary, k9 and a smaller group of officers deployed to hot districts. Tru did not have the specialized training of sos but deployed roughly 160 officers a night to the areas with the highest probability of violence. 80 north or west and 80 south. After a couple of weeks they were off to the next area. Mean while we still had the area sat teams deployed to a different area. The city was at a 30 year low in homicides for over 5 years. Let me throw out a number 13500. That is a full strength department man power in the districts will be met then you subtract another 5 to 7 hundred officers to be deployed to hot areas. Plus throw in a summer mobile unit of say 150 for downtown wildings then mass trans ocd ok so say just take 2500 away for specialized units and the detectives division. That still leaves you with 10,000 in the districts 3,500 officers that can be moved, co,nduct investigations and all the other special needs. Instead the dept is paying ot to try and accomplish what was already in place costing tax payers milions of dollars. But Rahm doesnt care its Federal money. Too bad us the tax payers are still picking up the tab.
Can I still get an event number?
How many in area sat teams, more than msf and tru
Lokk at the Nrcotic section. Back when, on Normal street 60 coppers worked their asses off bring in the weight.
Now, the 400 plus there are legends who think thay are chasing the cartel with their 1/10 gram pinches.
They only get weight when the G gives them the info. A very sorry crew there with company cars. 4 day weeks, and no production.
Send 2/3 back to patrol and let them start earning their salary.
At least the TRU and Mobile strike units earned their keep. Those kids were kick assing copperss before the Jim Beam Gerry broke knocked them out.
The city was alot safer under the direction of Supt Weis.Jody got the job done and did more for the CPD since Fred Rice.
Mayor Wahington and Mayor Byrne would of never brought this bug to be the Supt.
ok, so go ahead and put together another MSF or TRU
after they way these officers were treated, see who joins this time
You don't know what you're talking about. Those are nonspecialized units Nothing special about them.
And we have plenty of police too. They just needed to be used more effectively by working their days off on vri See same number of police working but more on the street. Makes perfect sence.
Just like gmac says we don't need more detectives but in the latest 501 he brags that he is the first to promote detectives in years. Brilliant!
By taking away police resources from taxpaying areas and putting them in the ghetto is only pissing off taxpayers like myself and helping me to decide to move OUT of Chicago asap.
I live on the nw side and NEVER see a police patrol. Ghetto woppers know this and were seeing crime increase in my area.
Garry and Rahm . I know your read this blog. what are you going to do about this????
"Patrol is the backbone of the department"
No it ain't. It is actually a little lower then the backbone.
That's why everyone works their hardest (if they don't have a phone call) to get to a unit.
McCarthy is absolutely bizarre. He out-and-out lies, avoids straight up questions and obfuscates - just watch the interview with Carol Marin.
He's not even good at it - as it is completely obvious.
McCarthy is the "don't look at my results ... look at my vision" guy.
Isn't that the liberal zeitgeist?
He said this directly to Carol Marin in the interview. She wasn't quick (or ruthless) enough to call him on it.
Check this out! SCC-tv on the Web!
http://www.crimefilenews.com/2013/04/second-city-cop-tv-new-contender-in.html
scc....check out crime file news' latest entry....
Patrol is the most ELITE position in any department.If you suck as a patrol officer,you suck at anything else.
All the specialty units are just support elements anyway.
Wtf.....TRU and MSF were "kicking ass" and "earning their keep?
Please keep the kids off the blog.....hahahahahahaha
What a joke!
Hey 02:37 AM, spend a little time in sixth grade, please.
I hate puppies
VRI is only interested in contact cards.
Saturation Teams, SOS teams - lets call them what they are - a redeployment of the beat cop to where the squeaky-wheel aldermen want them.
If you put 160 SOS guys a night in a violent area - that's gonna work. That's gonna work great. But it's the same thing as if you took 160 beat cops from 016th Dist afternoons and put them in Englewood. SAME THING.
So when we cops say 'fuck SOS,' and 'fuck the saturation teams" put them back on the beat - I don't know where that came from. They're just beat guys who have been moved to the ghetto.
I think these soft skulled morons are trying to roll out as many new initiatives as Chicago has homicides this year. I wonder if Rham wears his tutu while Gerry browns his nose?
I had a relative who was directly involved in the Daley Machine, and unfortunately she never did anything for my career. But, she used to tell me that the "Crew" on the 5th Fl. admired people who stayed "on point." Staying on point was all that mattered and when you stayed on point you could bat down any critics, because you kept everybody looking at what you wanted them to see. I saw Rahm do that in the interview where he ignored the issue of wildings. Back then my relative thought Huberman was valuable because he mastered staying on point. Watch Mc Numbnuts and Rahm in future interviews, if Mc Numbnuts goes off point he is finished.
TRU wasn't doing anything. Few years back they read out that some teams were averaging only a contact card a week with nothing else.
Nothing we do will make a difference on the west side. They repopulate faster than we can arrest them.
2.37am----JW stay off the blog, you can get the guys at WLS-AM to believe your shit, we all know better. You fucked up at day 1 by wearing OUR UNIFORM, and went south from there.
Gang & beer summits, mitt-night basketball and free iPhones, that's how you solve problems.
But I love this:
Anonymous said...
"If I had had a son, he would have looked just like Trayvon." -- Barack Obama
"Hadiya Pendleton was me and I was her." -- Michelle Obama
What else is there to say. Who would be Garry & Rahm?
No doubt things could be done better. Study for the Sgts . Test, get promoted, and make your contribution to the dept. That is really all you can do. Then do your job better, take care of your guys, and don't forget where you came from! For me study in Sgts school begins tomorrow . All I can control is what I Do
We want Jody back at least he was predictable.....
They're trying not to look stupid,but they can't help it!
Well here we are!
Anonymous said...
Lokk at the Nrcotic section. Back when, on Normal street 60 coppers worked their asses off bring in the weight.
Now, the 400 plus there are legends who think thay are chasing the cartel with their 1/10 gram pinches.
------------> At least the TRU and Mobile strike units earned their keep. Those kids were kick assing copperss before the Jim Beam Gerry broke knocked them out.
KICK ASS COPPERS?!?!? Really?
TRU and MSF were exactly the same as what you are describing: Only a handful of TRU and MSF officers knew how to do police work, the rest just guessed.
If you pull over 100 cars a night, eventually you'll stumble onto something. It's not kick ass coppers-- it's statistics.
I will give credit to the 10-20% of MSF, TRU that did have police skills-- just like ANY watch in any district.
Ass Hats. All of them!
Well let's state the oblivious. Profits at John Barleycorn and Stanley's have gone up 52% since the SOS/TRU/MSF monster was kilt. VRI has had an unexpected training benefit: hundreds of lowly patrol officers now have the elite unit skill of calling for a district paper car.
I wonder if the public has really done the math to and understand what is the cost to place 500 officers on their days off to work to lower the murder rate. I'm glad officers are getting overtime, but I hate to see this mayor and superintendent get any credit for anything. By the way the total comes to ----- $1,500,000.00 to $2,000,000.00 per week.
See, the mayor can not go forward with his political ambitions (The White House), if he is in charge of a city with the highest murder rate in the country all the time. But, he can make himself better by drastically cutting a murder rate once it hit an all time high. Thus, by throwing money at it. Where is the money coming from ???? The mayor was making cuts at the beginning of his term that saved the city only hundreds of thousands. Now he has this VRI program that spends $104,000,000.00 a year. Where are the news people asking the mayor, where is this money coming from? Does the news even know that the officers assigned are actually placing the area where they are assigned in a "POLICE STATE". Does the news know that the officers are not allowed to make an arrest for anything less then a shooting or Aggravated Battery in the 3x2 blocks they are patrolling. Well, the officers can make an arrest but they are discouraged to do so by the supervisors.
Put it this way. If the murder rate was cut in half from last year, The city is spending $416,000 dollars to prevent each homicide. That's a lot to pay to save a gangbanger.
Society does not allow crime to be crushed. Evil is winning.
Just look at the size of the area sat teams. There are as many people in those units as were in TRU and MSF. I think, for instance, area north has 12 teams: 100 people. I'm not sure about the other areas but I'll bet there are easily 400 people in specialized sat teams. But we don't need a citywide reaction force.
Anonymous said...
How many in area sat teams, more than msf and tru
4/12/2013 01:32:00 AM
Not even close. There are only about 50 to 60 coppers in sat teams in each area. Give or take a few here and there.
How do you spell Geiger?
Speaking of observations SCC, does the toilet bowl water formerly known as the CPD, whirl clockwise or counterclockwise? Ahhhhh, sarcasm.....
Let's see, long ago there once was an organization of guys that wore blue uniforms that went around keeping bad guys in place, locking them up, and sometimes kicking their asses. Were they all saints, no, but they usually did the right thing as a whole. Regardless of what you thought of them you knew if you were inna situation and needed your ass saved they would respond and save it either by locking up the bad guy or street adjusting his ass on the scene. The guys in blue went out on their tour of duty and hopefully they came back alive, some didn't, but they still went back out day in and day out. Well something has changed that will never undo what has been done to this once proud, feared, organization. It's all over, it's gone.....there are no more old timers to teach the new guys how to do the job right as opposed to wrong, how to lock up the gang bangers out there, hell nobody wants to do it anymore, not even tact guys. The pride is gone, the fear has faded, that organization is on life support and loosing it's pulse, damage, irrepairable damage has set it. We have a command staff that are pess than capable at best, a superintendent on the way out who either doesn't know what to do OR is not allowed to do what needs to be done. We have IPRA, looking to sandbag any copper they can, cameras in the cars along with microphones recording, GPS, and we are short about 3,000 officers. The have put restrictions on time due, over time, court time, furlo extensions. We have coppers retiring by the hundreds, when they hire by the dozen. Shootings are as high as ever, we are the murder Capitol of the entire free world, we have the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, but they are installing transgender bathrooms in the academy. Basically all is lost....... we will never see they day of a once proud, fear instilling organization again, it's over. The only thing the politicians ever did for us was to push the lever to flush the dept. down the toilet, and we are all on the ride down without anything we an do about it, while the politicians and citizens cheer it on. So I ask you SCC, does the water spin clockwise or counterclockwise, because I am too dizzy and too tired to care which way it spins........... After 20 plus yrs I get to see the complete dismantling and breakdown of this department..........Thank you all.......
Ha-ha-hah..
Emanuel to Add Roach Coaches In A Desperate Move To Save "Taste of Chicago."
The arrogance shows no bound.
Inability to recongnize that they have failed and continue to throw taxpayer money away at a so-called glorious world-class festival of crap.
Yeah we have tasted Chicago and it taste like crap. The food. The violence. The politics and the arrogance of it's leaders. The taxes. The fines. The fees. The taxes. Did I mention the taxes?
On a side note I have to laugh at the local newspaper rags here. They put out a piece of propagada the other day boasting that Illinois had the largest tax revenue increase of any other state!
Yeah, wow, woo-hoo, eh? Man can you believe it!! The economy must be going like gang busters if tax revenues are soaring, right? Well like when CPD leaders compared their 911 call response times to a time that the city was under a blizzard the media failed to mention the impact of the 66% percent personal income tax increase in Jan 2011. So why shouldn't tax revenues be up a bit? Is it from growth of business tho? Not so much.
In any event that is history. Let's see how tax revenues look after the 400~500 Caterpillar layoffs going down. The upcoming US Airways/American Airlines merger layoffs. The JC Penny shut down. The upcoming Sears store closures, the Groupon collapse etc...
Oh look! And remember the airline parts company that just couldn't find skilled workers called ARR corp. that the mayor used to promote his city college plan? Well guess what? Boeing issues formal layoff warning to 939 machinists Good luck to all "the children" that got suckered into the "you're unemployed because you have the wrong skillsets give us more of your money and go back to school" meme. You can get behind the Boeing workers and maybe a handful of you can land a part-time temp min-wage position cleaning out the bathrooms.
Ha! Taste of Chicago.
You are right, 12:34am.
Maybe these idiots can take all the energy and direct it to those responible... which is after the arrest whst happens to the badguys. the infamous revolving door!
So I'm detailed to legal affairs because of an iod and ipra chief illina rose wig is gone. According to the people at 35th Lori light foot is going to get the spot
Anonymous said...
We want Jody back at least he was predictable.....
4/12/2013 09:43:00 AM
SO true; even before being sworn into the superintendent job, he was already screwing coppers over.
Yeah, we DEFINITELY want that back.
1st and 16th. F*ck you chicago, pay me
Second City Cop TV- Crimefile has a great idea! I'd subscribe to something like that for $10 a month. Real news for a change!
Tribune just changed headline on Kimberly Katona-King MURDER story from "fell down stairs" to "pushed down stairs."
Thank you!
Poor woman. Rest in peace.
Society does not allow crime to be crushed. Evil is winning.
4/12/2013 11:04:00 AM
just balancing the books.
Chalkie
http://www.suntimes.com/19442707-418/head-of-city-agency-investigating-police-misconduct-stepping-down.html
ROSZENSWIG IS LEAVING. Bye bye, don't let the door hit ya on the way out!
Put it this way. If the murder rate was cut in half from last year, The city is spending $416,000 dollars to prevent each homicide. That's a lot to pay to save a gangbanger.
4/12/2013 10:58:00 AM
where's my cut?
Chalkie
We want Jody back at least he was predictable.....
4/12/2013 09:43:00 AM
meow.
What else is there to say. Who would be Garry & Rahm?
4/12/2013 09:31:00 AM
frick and frack?
Nothing we do will make a difference on the west side. They repopulate faster than we can arrest them.
4/12/2013 09:12:00 AM
hey, i'm working as fast as i can.
Chalkie
So when we cops say 'fuck SOS,' and 'fuck the saturation teams" put them back on the beat - I don't know where that came from. They're just beat guys who have been moved to the ghetto.
4/12/2013 08:30:00 AM
they're just beat guys who volunteered to abandon their beats not in the ghetto, for a few measly sheckels, and the illusion of being 'da real police'.
all whilst helping the mumbo jumbo artists get reelected, amongst other things.
ok, so go ahead and put together another MSF or TRU
after they way these officers were treated, see who joins this time
4/12/2013 05:42:00 AM
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Are you kidding there would be hundreds lined up to take it in the cornhole.
O/T:
Hmmm... A city hall Friday afternoon special...
Rosenszweig resigned as head of IPRA.
Hubby is supposedly taking a job in... SINGAPORE?
Or is she jumping off to stay ahead of something ugly?
People like this woman, never WILLINGLY leave jobs like that... It means too much to them to have a captive population of people they hate (like The Police) to fuck over...
Under "normal" circumstances, hubby would have likely ended up being the "commuter."
Who's the replacement?
The woman forced by the Illinois Combine to pull the short straw for U.S. Attorney - Northern District of Illinois?
Or somebody else with an axe to grind against CPD?
Verrrrrry Interesting!
I hate to say it but people burning themselves out on the V.R.I. Blood Moneyand its going to start getting people hurt once it warms up. We ALL have bills to pay,but when you show up as a Zombie your greed puts other coworkers in danger, you then are a Douchebag in my book.
Wow, you mean a one bagger on the Westside isn't da shit?
Just cuz you ain't wearing slick civvies with backwards baseball cap on don't give you da right to hate on us heroes.
OCD Narcotics Hunter for Life
has anyone noticed?.....that liberals are evil and defective?.....just sayin'
Slightly off topic: RET.P/O talked to new hires which were put on foot patrol/midnights in 025.These kids/officers don't know what the hell to do, they are told to run to jobs sometimes 4-5 blocks and are given no FTO. Is this MORON mccarthy out of his mind? I see many lawsuits in the cities future, I realize the FOP can't say much because these guy's/women are on probation leaving them w/ no union protection.This conduct by city hall and police brass will get someone killed if this continues.The warm weather is coming, I can predict after 35+ yrs. that the games will begin and so will the cranage.
See in today's Sun Times that Tollway Authority trying to fire the FAT ASS AGAIN this time for going nite nite on job at midday. (OT SCC but it would be GREAT if you could put this useless fuck in pajamas with the feet in them and fatty holding a teddy bear. I'm sure you would go viral. Our politicians at work hiring slobs like this fool! What's his name? Joseph Caffarello? Sweet dreams precious. What a fucking handjob. Makes JJJR look legit.
HEY 12:20 PM Could not agree with you more my brother. BEST post in a long time. Should hook up for a cold one.
H.B.T. is the place to be fellas.
Goodbye hater Ilana Rosenzweig. Don't let the door hit you in the ass. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Rosenzweig stepped down, leaves in three weeks.
To quote Rahm; "There is what I say and there is what I mean. Now, what I mean is not necessarily what I say, but I said it so I must mean it, or I may not have said it which means that you have mis-construed what I said if in fact I said anything at all, provided that you were paying attention and you actually got it right! Capise?"
VRI is only interested in contact cards.
4/12/2013 08:26:00 AM
I'm only interested in VRI for time and a half.
Mff will be expanded to 500.
IPRA chief resigning. Says her husband is taking a big job in Singapore. I call bullshit, she got him to move to Chicago from L.A. for her job she must wear the pants in the family. and she just signed a new three year contract? What is going on? Is the current IPRA Salem Witch Hunt backfiring on her? Any thoughts?
BWAHAHAHA! See where the roving group of yuffs from "other parts of the city" as one person put it are now doing their animal act in Wrigleyville. Wait for the warm weather yuppies. And don't blame the police for your shit stolen and your injuries. BWAHAHAHAHA.
The animal arrives to Wrigleyville. Only the beginning.
What else is there to say. Who would be Garry & Rahm?
4/12/2013 09:31:00 AM
Just taking a stab at it, Otis Campbell and Perez Hilton?
These sat teams are tru and msf officers running around making an arrest and done, put them in districts answering jobs . If the districts are short why do we have hundreds doing nothing.
Most haven't worked in districts for years, some over 10!
OT: Ron Huberman doing TV ads for Forest Security in River Grove!
"We're a family-owned business..."
Nice to see he's found work.
rb
It's not as good idea unless it's MY idea.
rb
Ilana Rosenzweig gone!
If Lori Lightfoot gets the spot we know there is a huge coverup happening somewhere. Is this why Rosenzweig is running away as fast as possible?
Rosenzweig is no fool to bail from it!
Nice to see he's found work.
rb
4/12/2013 10:16:00 PM
No it's not. He is one of the biggest douche bags we have ever seen in this City. THAT is saying a lot.
People keep saying on here that Lori Lightfoot is gonna get the head ipra spot. This is proof that most comments on this blog are bullshit by po's with no time on the job. For your info ipra use to be called ops and was run by Lori Lightfoot. She resigned to bigger and better things. So why would she want to comeback to this shit hole. I call bullshit!
To the comment that Vri is the same as Msf and Tru. How often do you see any of them in on an arrest? And why would they on their day off? To the other moron with the comment about teams in Tru walking in with 1 contact card a week for the whole team , you lack common sense. Although Tru was not a head unit the commander had bosses to report to and people got dumped quite often for low activity. And to the other stupid comment about 160 beat officers being redeployed to the ghetto on 3rd watch. That is what the make up of Tru and Msf was however it was the more aggressive officers not holding down jobs for 40 minutes before they cleared up and eating lunch before they actually went down on it. I will guarantee there are a hell of a lot more dogs in districts than units, look around in roll call and make a mental note of how many proactive officers you see. Oh and to the patrol is the back bone of the department comment you're absolutely right it is, however the body has a hell of a lot more bones than just the spine. Like the femur, skull, sternum, tibia, fibula, etc. Don't get me wrong patrol is where it all starts but the backbone doesn't make the whole body move. In a city this big you have to have officers that can be moved at a moments notice. Tru, Msf, saturation, gangs north and south ( not geu I'm talking way before that came along) , geu, public housing, SOS, summer mobile, tact, gangs ( the district gang team that are now geu), there is a lot of people that makes the dept not just patrol. Not to mention dicks.
Anonymous said...
Patrol is the most ELITE position in any department.If you suck as a patrol officer,you suck at anything else.
All the specialty units are just support elements anyway.
4/12/2013 07:39:00 AM
After spending years in both patrol and specialized units, I have to agree with you. The unfortunate part of this is how poorly the department has always treated those who work in patrol and the fact that way too many people were taken care of.
I give it 90 days before a gang unit aka strike force is once again mobilized.
Anonymous said...
Slightly off topic: RET.P/O talked to new hires which were put on foot patrol/midnights in 025.These kids/officers don't know what the hell to do, they are told to run to jobs sometimes 4-5 blocks and are given no FTO. Is this MORON mccarthy out of his mind? I see many lawsuits in the cities future, I realize the FOP can't say much because these guy's/women are on probation leaving them w/ no union protection.This conduct by city hall and police brass will get someone killed if this continues.The warm weather is coming, I can predict after 35+ yrs. that the games will begin and so will the cranage.
Someone gave you bad info my friend. Only 2
PPO's on midnights and ain't no way the w/c going
to put them on a foot post.
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