A Class of 9?
A couple days ago, we posted this:
- In an effort to alleviate the current crop of FTO's riding around with two recruits each - and sometimes more - the Department announced a list of 63 people eligible to accept or turn down the FTO position. They have to reply by Friday and report for duty the day after Memorial Day.
We'll have to see how many accept the most thankless job (but most necessary) the Department has to offer.
Good luck.
Now we hear that a grand total of 9 people of that list showed up Tuesday morning. Anyone care to confirm or comment?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
70 Comments:
Why won't more cops become FTOs? Because the position sucks. The FTOs have been screwed over in a variety of ways over the years AND NOW the department says, things will be better for the FTOs. Right, they'll be better when...wait, they won't be better.
Yes it is very true. Classes are very casual at the old racine cafe. Its called union bar or something close to it.
Not enough pay
It is 9
Demotion Denied!!!
Do I get Combat Pay like I do in Afghanistan? Semper Fi
So if the department can jam 17.5 PPOs in a car with one of those 9 FTOs it should be no problem... right?
No, It's a problem. The kids need teaching. Sending them out with a Sgt is useless. They will learn to be a Sgt not a PO. It is a thankless job, but the satisfaction of teaching them right and ensuring their safety outways the negatives. I give FTO's all the credit they deserve.
What a thankless , ungrateful job. This is just abuse of good officers . Why would anyone want to volunteer for anything ?
The city doesn't care how many FTO's they have. They will just let the PPO's jump in with everyone else and expect them to train them. The city is refusing to pay out of grade pay for training a PPO if you are not an FTO!
We finally see a little unity. It's about fucking time.
SuperPPO doesn't need an FTO. In fact, he can give the FTO a few pointers on job competency.
I was told that in New York the FTO Program is nothing like ours. They receive all their training in the academy and hit the street - literally on foot by themselves. In addition G Mac and his guy Tracy had planned on switching Chicago to this model but the FTO Contract got in the way? I wonder if no one takes the position if it works to their advantage? Maybe their master plan?
That's enough for a softball team. Challenge the instructors to a game.
Off topic ...off duty PO seriously injured while working at home...,..sorry nfi
A time as an FTO should count towards promotion, but this is Chicago.... so never mind.
How is Tactical Barbie doing again?
What a joke! HA-HA LOL, LOL.
What a joke ! How many clowns can you shove in a VW ? And the peeps of Chicago will still vote for Little Cesar again ! That's the problem.
And in other news:
Cook County State’s Attorney Investigator spends hours at cigar shop on government time
Updated: May 11, 2012 12:57 PM CST
By Dane Placko, FOX 32 News Investigative
FIRST ON FOX: Your tax dollars, up in smoke.
An investigator with the Cook County State’s Attorney’s Office has stepped down after FOX Chicago News and the Better Government Association found him spending hours during his work day hanging out at a cigar shop.
That turned out to be just the tip of the problem.
When he was discovered smoking cigars in the middle of the work day, Cook County State’s Attorney Investigator Bob Thomas said he was having lunch.
But for Thomas - lunch is rarely a one hour proposition.
He’s already drawing a Chicago police pension and makes $78,000 a year to investigate cases for State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez....
Well, his supervisor seemed to think Thomas was doing a great job. He gave Thomas a checkmark for "exceeding expectations" on how he used his time on last year's review.
His supervisor is Frank Cupello.
Cupello is the same guy FOX Chicago and the BGA found voting in Elmwood Park even though he lives 20 miles away in Lake County.
http://www.myfoxchicago.com
Why so few taking a promotion? Same reason no one does much of anything these days.. the Dept. is ruined... Sorry 35th street, you reap what you sew...
Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Looks like people are finally realizing if you volunteer for anything the chances of you getting screwed increase exponentially.
I think this speaks volumes about how utterly incompetent this Superintendent and his administration really are! We are going to have to take it upon ourselves to help these new guys. I have been short with new coppers before. So take my word for it, PATIENCE will go a long way. They are going to need our help.
As long as there's $$ money $$ for memorial park's, bike lane's, basketball stadiums and fuckery, who needs FTO's?
I came out of the last FTO class. So far so good
they should just start piling PPOs in the personnel vans and have 1 FTO for every 10-12 PPOs riding around the hood....problem solved!
you only need 2 FTOs, split a recruit class and rotate them through the 20 impact zones. it'll be like having a field trip every day.
why are fto's being allowed to bid to districts where there are no ppo's? all of our fto's bid to districts with no recruits. so now we are stuck with training these people and the DC is kicking back slips saying and he's is not paying out-of-grade WTF.. The 022 has one FTO who is last in senority and has no recruits, and he leaves a district with plenty of recruits... fubar
Reward all FTO's with overtime , let them work 1 day off a week and 10 days on furlough .
I had 3 PPO s the last three days. Cha Ching. Thanks Rahm
Not sure if you mentioned it SCC but there was something in the C.O. book recently about POs working with PPOs. If a PO works with a PPO, the PO will not fill out an overtime or out of grade slip. POs will not get extra pay for working with a PPO. They will just work with the PPOs and shut up.
D2A pay is all we can say.......ftos deserve it so pay it
So, does that mean if I get assigned one of these PPOs as a partner I can put in for out-of-grade pay?
An FTO who does it for the right reasons isn't doing it for the minimal cash reward we get on the 1st and the 16th. We do it because we want to get the best officers on the street who in the future will back us up, take care of our family members if need be and just be a good and successful police officers.
The FTO position is by far THE MOST IMPORTANT and MOST DIFFICULT position on this department !
But it also THEE MOST REWARDING one also.
I have kept a list over the years of officers who I have trained and that list nears 250 and the majority of those officers I am proud to say have gone on to be productive amazing officers, detectives, and bosses.
I will shout to the heavens that I am proud to be a member of the finest police department in the united states and lucky to be once again serving as an FTO.
I had resigned from the position 4 1/2 yrs ago when it was determined that the district where I have spent my entire career, and met and made great friends wasn't diverse enough. This decision was ridiculous and luckily they have changed their way of thinking and once again made my home district a training district.
Over the years I have been lucky enough to have trained some wonderfully talented people who have gone up the promotional ladder and that is the most wonderful and rewarding feeling one can experience as a trainer.
To be a good FTO one must possess patience, a love for sharing your job knowledge, and most of all a sense of humor.
I have trained many people and I would say that most of them would tell you we had a great time when we worked together.
My Dad always told me "Bobby, always treat people with respect and the way you would like to be treated" that has always been my way and it hasn't let me down in the 20+ years I have been a police officer.
I ask anyone out there if you have a genuine caring about you and are patient and want to make a difference please please become an FTO because it is the most important position on this department and YOU can make a difference in a new police officers life.
We are all very blessed to be working and be working for this police department.
Become an FTO and make a difference in someones life, and your life also.
and don't believe the horror stories being told that the FTOs were promised things that didn't happen because this time around we were not led astray.
The commander at the academy was up front and honest with us from day one of that first class back on April 15. FTO JB helped us and kept us all informed on a daily basis and when Chief Gulliford came in to talk to us and give us our assignments he was straight with us, up front and honest. and most of all we were treated like adults and with respect.
At the end of the 3 weeks of FTO school we were given our assignments and to all of our pleasure we got whet we wanted.
Make a difference, become an FTO
as always please stay smart and stay safe.
and Billy says hello to you all
Much Respect
FTO Bob Cavaiani
Why be a FTO when these new recruits are taught not to trust the rest of us.
When is the next test? I want to get out of the south.
former MSF ranger
Maybe some of the instructors at the academy can go on the street and train them. Oh wait, half of them have either been there so long or have no street time that they would need fto's as well!
Class of 9...Just like some CPS high school graduation class'.
Anonymous said...
So if the department can jam 17.5 PPOs in a car with one of those 9 FTOs it should be no problem... right?
5/30/2013 03:21:00 AM
Dept. could rent stretch limos, slap on a CAPS sticker, good to go.
At least its not 8. We really dodged a bullet there.
Why should an FTO do the job of a sergeant? The shouldn't have to but sergeants are such nincompoops that the Dept. is falling apart! FTO's should go the way of Brzeczk.
I love how bosses within the department believe we should accept these positions of heightened responsibility without an appropriate measure of compensation OR some perceived benefit aside from the "satisfaction of developing the leaders of tomorrow."
FTOs should be able to bid to ANY district of their choosing based upon seniority AND stay there after the duration of an FTO cycle. And none of this bullshit about no openings. Every district has officers retiring.
I don't blame them. How can any officer trust anything the brass says anymore.
The command staff credibility is lower then zero!
One hit, one goddam hit? What a joke.
An FTO who does it for the right reasons isn't doing it for the minimal cash reward we get on the 1st and the 16th. We do it because we want to get the best officers on the street who in the future will back us up, take care of our family members if need be and just be a good and successful police officers.
The FTO position is by far THE MOST IMPORTANT and MOST DIFFICULT position on this department !
But it also THEE MOST REWARDING one also.
I have kept a list over the years of officers who I have trained and that list nears 250 and the majority of those officers I am proud to say have gone on to be productive amazing officers, detectives, and bosses.
I will shout to the heavens that I am proud to be a member of the finest police department in the united states and lucky to be once again serving as an FTO.
I had resigned from the position 4 1/2 yrs ago when it was determined that the district where I have spent my entire career, and met and made great friends wasn't diverse enough. This decision was ridiculous and luckily they have changed their way of thinking and once again made my home district a training district.
Over the years I have been lucky enough to have trained some wonderfully talented people who have gone up the promotional ladder and that is the most wonderful and rewarding feeling one can experience as a trainer.
To be a good FTO one must possess patience, a love for sharing your job knowledge, and most of all a sense of humor.
I have trained many people and I would say that most of them would tell you we had a great time when we worked together.
My Dad always told me "Bobby, always treat people with respect and the way you would like to be treated" that has always been my way and it hasn't let me down in the 20+ years I have been a police officer.
I ask anyone out there if you have a genuine caring about you and are patient and want to make a difference please please become an FTO because it is the most important position on this department and YOU can make a difference in a new police officers life.
We are all very blessed to be working and be working for this police department.
Become an FTO and make a difference in someones life, and your life also.
and don't believe the horror stories being told that the FTOs were promised things that didn't happen because this time around we were not led astray.
The commander at the academy was up front and honest with us from day one of that first class back on April 15. FTO JB helped us and kept us all informed on a daily basis and when Chief Gulliford came in to talk to us and give us our assignments he was straight with us, up front and honest. and most of all we were treated like adults and with respect.
At the end of the 3 weeks of FTO school we were given our assignments and to all of our pleasure we got whet we wanted.
Make a difference, become an FTO
as always please stay smart and stay safe.
and Billy says hello to you all
Much Respect
FTO Bob Cavaian
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We need more officers like you.
They treat you with a little "respect" in order to get you to do the work, and you are so easily duped.
FTOs shape a recruit. When I was a PPO in 004 I had an excellent Training Officer. Marilyn Cull. Retired and moved out of state but thanks Marilyn.
Dear FTO Bob...taking home a stray kitten from the ghetto would be more rewarding than being an FTO.
The FTO program sucks because it should be a stepping stone to stripes and management, like in the military.
Give priority to FTO's for promotions and you may get more quality people to apply!
That won't happen with these Knucklehead Exempts!
But, then again Chicago is not run like a military and treat their employees like shit! Such as trying to take away our earned Pensions and Health Insurance!
Anonymous said...
Not sure if you mentioned it SCC but there was something in the C.O. book recently about POs working with PPOs. If a PO works with a PPO, the PO will not fill out an overtime or out of grade slip. POs will not get extra pay for working with a PPO. They will just work with the PPOs and shut up.
5/30/2013 10:37:00 AM
Son...ask your FTO.
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to 8:50 a.m. Im trying to figure out why you would bring up old news must be personal.
So FTO class is 3 weeks and you want the same pay as a detective ? The detective exam was an in depth and in detail - much longer academy stay and your FTO test was a scantron ? And you want D2a pay ? Get a life !!!!! Then dectectives should get sgts pay and sgts should get LT pay and so on !
Wake up ! a FTO should get what they get and nothing more . Here's your perks : you don't have to bid for watches with the rest of the watch so you can get 2nd or 3rd watch easier ! --- so quit your complaining , no one asked you to be a FTO!
My FTO was a clown.
Honk-Honk !
So, does that mean if I get assigned one of these PPOs as a partner I can put in for out-of-grade pay?
5/30/2013 11:00:00 AM
If the recruit is on a training cycle, you can.
FTO Bob, you are a class act. Wish I had your recruits working with me. I am sure they are the cream of the crop.
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Most major departments including New York pay field training officers the equivalent of lieutenants pay.
Maybe we should settle for D2A.
Listen FOP!!!
The class commander would be like winning the tallest midget contest. ROTF
To retired p.o./f.t.o. Fred Moreno you trained me in 93 and I still appreciate the job you did. J.M.
The real world has this thing called INCENTIVES. If you have a job nobody wants, MAYBE the pay is too low.....
A PO serving as an Acting FTO for a PPO who is in his/her FIELD TRAINING CYCLES will receive out of grade pay and OT for completing the DOR.
A PO working with a PPO who is already field-qualified is not acting as an FTO and does not receive out of grade pay or OT, as there is no DOR to be completed. This is the way it has been for some time and that has not changed at present. It's not that complicated, folks.
5/30 @ 4:31
I too, had M. Cull as an FTO in A/2. What a blessing she was, and really helped provide a good solid base to any PPO she helped. Hope retirement is treating you well M. Cull, you've earned it!!!
FTO Bob,
I completely agree with you!! I love your attitude and you absolutely inspire others. Especially me! I was in the last class and so far everything has been a win win. Its sad only 9 took the position because these ppo's need guidance. Baby steps I guess.
How can todays FTOs teach a recruit, when the FTO was never properly trained.
THANKS.......again,for not having an effective FTO program,
Chalkie
Why should an FTO do the job of a sergeant?
5/30/2013 01:35:00 PM
Huh? When has that ever happened ?
How bout never , stop flattering yourself
Through all the ridiculous inconsistencies with this department the one thing they have done consistently is fuck up the FTO program for the better part of the last 30 years.
The class commander would be like winning the tallest midget contest. ROTF
5/30/2013 10:57:00 PM
When is isn't it?
Hey recruit, there isn't any "class commander" for promotional classes. I hate to burst your bubble but class commander means exactly shit once Rahm shakes your hand.
i am a supervisor and I had FTO Bob as my training officer.
I remember like it was yesterday when he told me ....dont worry about making a mistake on the paper , we can start over but do NOT make a mistake when it comes to tactics and safety, and always back up your fellow officers....
Bob, you always preached that and that has kept me safe on the streets on many occassions because it rings in my head every day i work.
Bob , you touched many lives and mine was one. I am glad you still have the fire.
Whenever a major call or cluster came out I always panicked because I knew Bob would be volunteering us for the job even though it may have already been assigned.
I was trained before regular computer use so we did it the old fashioned way, ink and paper.
Bobs famous line and I am sure others can confirm,
"squad, I have a new partner with a brand new pen full of ink, we will take that job"
thanks Bob, we had great times and you treated me with respect and trained me well
My kid is coming on the job, expect a call from me to train him.
You my life long friend are a class act
FTO Bob thanks for all the training we had hanging out by Jedynka.
Thanks to you I married a nice Polish girl.
Learned "creative writing 101" under the laid back FTO Danny
Luekensmeyer. Every day was so much darn fun. He taught me to be a people person and to make the most of each situation.
Danny ..thank you for all your "training". Thanks to you I got divorced by my nice Polish girl.
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