FOP in the Dark
- Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s administration is being accused of concealing from the police union and an independent arbitrator a ruling against the city that could have impacted the union’s quest for $1 million in disputed overtime for 3,100 Chicago Police officers who protected the city during last year’s NATO Summit.
At issue is one of four class-action grievances filed by the Fraternal Order of Police after a deftly handled summit that could have been a disaster for Chicago, but instead gave the city a chance to shine on the world stage.
The dispute stemmed from Emanuel’s decision not to pay officers time-and-a-half overtime for working a sixth or seventh consecutive day during a calendar week. The matter is now before an arbitrator.
The Chicago Police Lieutenants’ Association contract has language that mirrors the FOP contract on time-and-a-half compensation for working a sixth or seventh consecutive day. In March, an arbitrator ruled against the city in the lieutenants’ quest for NATO overtime.
The FOP found out about the ruling last week — long after it could have made a difference in the pending arbitration — only after the lieutenants’ association voted to disclose the information to the FOP, said FOP President...
If only someone at the FOP knew how to use a computer! Or a phone. Or get along with the PBPA:
- The FOP found out about the ruling last week — long after it could have made a difference in the pending arbitration — only after the lieutenants’ association voted to disclose the information to the FOP, said FOP President Mike Shields.
[...]Roderick Drew, spokesman for the city’s Law Department, denied the city tried to conceal anything.
“In fact, notice of the award was posted on the [lieutenants] union website. And the issue in that arbitration is actually factually different from the FOP case,” Drew said in an emailed response.
Of course, Roderick Drew spins truth for a living, so you can't put too much trust in what he says.
In any event, everyone ought to hope that the arbitrator is a little more aware of other decisions that might have a direct bearing on disputes he's involved in than others seem to be.
In any event, everyone ought to hope that the arbitrator is a little more aware of other decisions that might have a direct bearing on disputes he's involved in than others seem to be.
Labels: FOP
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
92 Comments:
Check the date on this story before you get your panties all in a bunch.
The City failed to disclose an adverse ruling that could effect a current arbitration proceeding.
This was discussed at the FOP General Meeting on 21 May.
Instead of jumping on FOP (like Rahm's lapdog bitch media hack wants you to) realize that this is a very serious breach of legal ethics on the part of the city and show the kind of slimy POS you are dealing with when you do business with Rahm.
I warned everyone that SHIELDS was an incompetent moron before voting. And he was able to dazzle everyone with his bullshit. He accomplished zero while at the pension board and has continued his streak here. Hopefully everyone has figured that out for next election.
Can we please stick together. Are we not all on the same sinking ship???
OT, SCC if you would permit me,
Anybody related to (or if you know the family of) Mike Lyons, CPD, who worked here in the 60's/70's (some of that time in Traffic), please get in touch asap. This is very time-sensitive, so please write to: RegardingMikeLyons@gmail.com Thanks.
It may mean something to his family.
See? If they installed those damn snitch boxes like they promised maybe this would of never been a problem.
Broken Windows don't ya know.
If you take care of the overtime pay scam (the little crimes) you prevent the pension scams ( the big crimes) from happening.
#NOTALKING
I voted for Greg Bella, how many of you did? How many of you took 30 seconds to even vote? You reap what you sow.
Gee, the powers that be over at FOP don't know what's going on. That NEVER happens.
Hey Mike, they got a beat car on midnights all ready for you when you get voted out next March. I hope you like Uptown and Bt. 1913.
Slightly O/T but interesting:
Scum-Times online shows the following teaser...
"Sons of Rahm Emanuel's top union ally John Coli (Teamsters) also rise"
Hmmm...
Curious thing isn't it?
Rahm and the rest of the Gold Coast/North Shore fundraiser and cocktail party bunch like Rauner, Msall and others would have you believe that unions are the very devil, the sole cause of Chicago being on the financial rocks and that those in unions and their family members should be chased down on the streets to atone for the unpardonable sin of trying to have a little more than "everybody else."
"They get sweet pensions and early retirement while 'regular' people are eating their 401K's."
Irony... None of the above cast of characters said NOTHING while Crime King Shorty was at the height of power and stealing with both hands.
Now it's revealed that Rahm The North Shore Union Buster is a strange bedfellow with an organization the likes of which he has openly vowed to destroy?
Rahm must have asked around and the answers he got scared the shit out of him...
"Don't fuck with the Teamsters. They have money, they fight back and they fight really hard and dirty... You can fuck with everybody else because they have rules to abide by. Especially the Coppers and Firemen. The Teachers can strike so be careful with them."
Well... Rahmbo couldn't resist going after the teachers because they're headed by a F/1 and Rahm has BIG PROBLEMS with F/1's... Especially FLOTUS and Chief Advisor to POTUS.
But anyway...
Curious thing about Rahm's hands off of the Teamsters.
Maybe because they held their noses and pushed their membership to support him?
They'll play nice with each other until such time Rahm decides they've served their purpose and knifes them in the back on something big...
...Or something like that?
I still believe all rank and file should be under one umbrella. Not knowing what the other is doing is working against us. I just don't get why we have differnt union representation when we are all from the same Department. We would be a much stronger union is we all stood together. Yet-- something that seem so simple to me will never be done; at least in my career.
Shields didn't know how to end the contract.
Shields didn't know it would cost us a years retro.
Shields didn't know about the arbitrator's decision.
What this guy doesn't know is killing us !
Before you dump on the FOP/Shields, consider the Lieutenant Assoc.; what was on their minds, to not immediately advise FOP! We may be of different ranks, but we are shipmates and colleagues on the same voyage. Do they think their jobs as supervisors would be enhanced by pissed off, low morale subordinates? This incident shows that Labor is not united, while the Politicians are. If we don't work together Rahm will destroy us.
from the suntimes' comment section:
If Shields' ineptitude caused the problem maybe he should be held accountable. Good for Rahm. I don't see anybody on the horizon challenging him. Not sure f anybody else even has the guts to tackle the job.
If the F.O.P. would have demanded the contract be finished BEFORE NATO, we'd be in good shape. You negotiate from a position of strength.
This is how it is when stewie wants to conquer the world
"Of course, Roderick Drew spins the truth for a living, so you can't put too much trust in what he says". - SCC
For the record, political hack Roderick Drew was the CPD public information officer that approached the lying coward J-Fled in Englewood just before J-Fled told the Channel 2 TV reporter that he's "GOTTA RUN" (the other way) from what still remains an unsolved fatal shooting that just occurred less than 45 seconds away.
Gee, the powers that be over at FOP don't know what's going on. That NEVER happens.
Hey Mike, they got a beat car on midnights all ready for you when you get voted out next March. I hope you like Uptown and Bt. 1913.
6/10/2013 03:03:00 AM
Oh NO! The dreaded bt 1913!!! The horrer!!
Let's see how Shields spins this one
These are the same people that wants to represent the sergeants.
It was not posted on www.cpdlts.com like the city spokesperson said.
Watch out for Rahm, and others to go after our collective bargaining rights through state legislation as others have done, successfully, in Wisconsin and Ohio. Don't say this cannot be done, it is the only way to destroy the power of the public sector unions and it is the obvious move.
The city does not have ethics!!!
WOW
Rigged hiring exams???
Not paying bill on I.O.D?
Endangering recruits with foot post in hell hole districts?
stealing pension and giving it away to family members as kickbacks?
Oh and my new favorite making laws so alderman law-firms can steal tax exemption and buy pinstripe suits?
FOP should win this grievance hands down and we worry about being 15 minutes late give me a break!
You and I get a measly 75% of our 85k salary while these m-fer's steal blindly and threaten our pensions:
http://www.bettergov.org/fire_commissioners_pension_raises_alarm/
Get along with the PBPA? Really? You mean the group that tried to sell out everyone's pension?
Get real.
To 12:46 a.m. I dont know if Shields is good or not . Im sure Bella would do no better. Ive been on this job 25yrs and all I do know just like any other politician because in reality thats what they are they do what gets them re-elected and puts money in their pocket. All this little stuff means nothing you should only be concerned about your pension and healthcare and if you think our union or any union for that matter has the power to be a deciding factor in those two important issues you are sadly mistaken. Are union like most is good for one thing right now, protecting the dogs that should probaly be fired anyways.
Here is what I think about FOP. The lot of them don't like Shields. So instead of doing their jobs and helping the young lad along for the good of the membership, they let him stumble and make mistakes.
I'm not siding with Shields.... but a team must be a team, no matter what. They don't have his back at all. Like the letter bullshit for the contract.
You cant bash Shields without bashing all of them. How many of the so called Vice Presidents and what not have been in place for several contracts? They couldn't be standup and say hey... You have to do this and that???? Like send a letter?
Of course not... It's typical Chicago BS Politics. The FOP is totally useless for 2 reasons.... They don't have the best interest of the members in mind
(just their own) and they are so far up the Mayors ass they smell like shit!
Fuck FOP!
I warned everyone that SHIELDS was an incompetent moron before voting. And he was able to dazzle everyone with his bullshit. He accomplished zero while at the pension board and has continued his streak here. Hopefully everyone has figured that out for next election.
Oh yea and the citywide team did so much too! Every person elected has sold us out.
One police force, one bargaining unit. Simple as that.
I still believe all rank and file should be under one umbrella. Not knowing what the other is doing is working against us. I just don't get why we have differnt union representation when we are all from the same Department. We would be a much stronger union is we all stood together. Yet-- something that seem so simple to me will never be done; at least in my career.
You are an idiot.. You can't have management in the same union as the officers..
Thanks Again Shields Capparelli
FLOP takes our due and does what
Anonymous said...
Gee, the powers that be over at FOP don't know what's going on. That NEVER happens.
Hey Mike, they got a beat car on midnights all ready for you when you get voted out next March. I hope you like Uptown and Bt. 1913.
6/10/2013 03:03:00 AM
OH NO!!! Why do we get stuck with him on midnights in the 10 sector? Let him deal with that wacky sergeant and the bars/stationary patrols in the 20 sector!!
It was the best kept secret that everyone knew about, except the FOP
Lts were talking about the arbitrastion and that they won
Shows you how out of touch the FOP is
If the arbitration is still pending, why is it too late to present it? Has some point already been stipulated too and can't be reversed? Inquiring minds want to know.
Check the date on this story before you get your panties all in a bunch.
The City failed to disclose an adverse ruling that could effect a current arbitration proceeding.
This was discussed at the FOP General Meeting on 21 May.
Instead of jumping on FOP (like Rahm's lapdog bitch media hack wants you to) realize that this is a very serious breach of legal ethics on the part of the city and show the kind of slimy POS you are dealing with when you do business with Rahm
Not sure the city is obligated in any way to notify the FOP of the results of an arbitration with a different union. Put this one on the FOP, they should have a friend over at the sgts and lts associations and unions to keep them up to date The FOP should have been following the Lts arbitration if they felt the results could affect our grievance
OT...I fcked up at home ..does anyone have experience or know a good marriage counselor that is familiar with our lifestyle (uc,shiftwork etc) that is covered by BC/BS. Thanks
As soon as we can get rid of Mikey won't be soon enough!
o/t as usual, in 017, p.o who gets cr #s against other officers, is on his annual summer iod....gotta love a job where we are short officers but the same ones every year get their summer iod on....every district has one officer that does this every summer..enjoy ur summer stroke
To: I fucked up at home. Are u North or South.
Remember Re-Elect the Dream Team
Shields-Capparelli
You are an idiot.. You can't have management in the same union as the officers..
Why ?
CFD has manangement in the same union and they seem to do alot better then we do during contract time.
TO: OT "I fckd up at home".....
EAP has served us well when we had problems and it is a department benefit...
2:44pm - are you opposed to our own employee assistance counselors over on Paulina at st michaels house? They do more than substance abuse. Went there for couples counseling. Ask for kathleen o'neill.
FYI, the rules do not indicate any breach of ethical duty here. The Illinois Rules of Professionaal conduct prohibit a lawyer from failing to disclose to the TRIBUNAL legal authority from the CONTROLLING JURISDICTION known to the lawyer to be directly adverse to the position of the client and not disclosed by opposing counsel. So a) not telling the FOP about this ruling is NOT a breach of legal ethics because they are not a tribunal. b) failure to tell the arbitration panel about such a ruling is also not a breach of legal ethics, because one arbitration panel's ruling is not controlling over another; thus, there is no obligation to disclose.
OT...I fcked up at home ..does anyone have experience or know a good marriage counselor that is familiar with our lifestyle (uc,shiftwork etc) that is covered by BC/BS. Thanks
Call the Chaplin unit brother. The job takes its toll on the family. All will be good and try not to stress out. EAP is another option.
Take care brother.
Old retired vet
OT...I fcked up at home ..does anyone have experience or know a good marriage counselor that is familiar with our lifestyle (uc,shiftwork etc) that is covered by BC/BS. Thanks
6/10/2013 02:44:00 PM
http://www.cpstherapy.com/ContactMe.en.html
I guess it's a good thing that Mike Shields is paid $209,000 a year and the V.P.'s range in salary from $149,000 to $159,000. Those salaries are right from the Mark Donahue days and continue today. All paid with money collected from the dues paid by the P.O.'s. What is anyone getting for that salary? Not much. That place is run like a clown circus.
Inquiring minds want to know.
6/10/2013 01:32:00 PM
It is like presenting more evidence or witnesses after the case has gone to the jury. You can't do it.
As soon as we can get rid of Mikey won't be soon enough!
6/10/2013 02:59:00 PM
Idiot.
You are playing into TD 9.5's hands.
OT...I fcked up at home ..does anyone have experience or know a good marriage counselor that is familiar with our lifestyle (uc,shiftwork etc) that is covered by BC/BS. Thanks
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Call dupage leyden counseling. Covered by bc/bs
Every copper Lt & below should be in the same unit , merit promoted sgt , lt should retire at patrolman pay . Let's fight for 3% cola for all of us born after Jan,1955 , it's a benefit we worked for and deserve , don't let the democratic crooks cheat us, they have money for every social program, folks 3rd generation welfare . let's end that and let public know exactly what every social program for illegals , busing , breakfast & lunch programs are costing the working people in chicago.
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OT...I fcked up at home ..does anyone have experience or know a good marriage counselor that is familiar with our lifestyle (uc,shiftwork etc) that is covered by BC/BS. Thanks
6/10/2013 02:44:00 PM<<
Good Luck Friend, you might try the Employee Assistance Program if your other half will go along with it.
Many years ago we tried a marriage counselor and the only thing we could agree is that she was more screwed up than we were. Professional psychologists make their money by keeping you coming back for more. That was the mistake I made with my daughter when my wife passed away. At the rates we were paying I figure we were the shrink's car payment and I did not like the results.
I suggest that you two set a goal, that you get better with professional help in a year then if it doesn't work out try something else.
Anonymous said...
I still believe all rank and file should be under one umbrella. Not knowing what the other is doing is working against us. I just don't get why we have differnt union representation when we are all from the same Department. We would be a much stronger union is we all stood together. Yet-- something that seem so simple to me will never be done; at least in my career.
You are an idiot.. You can't have management in the same union as the officers..
6/10/2013 12:05:00 PM
Yes you can. Same union, FOP, different Lodge and different leadership for a different bargaining unit.
All lodges combine for items of common interest, each individual lodge does their own thing for things that effect only them.
As it is, there are so many differences that little is left that is common, but still, we should stand united on wages, pensions, don't let city divide and conquer.
If the arbitration is still pending, why is it too late to present it? Has some point already been stipulated too and can't be reversed? Inquiring minds want to know.
Could be wrong but my understanding is that each side presents their case, then each side gets to question the other side presentation and after that it goes to the arbitrator for a decision. At that point no new info can be presented. Almost like once the final arguments are given and it goes to the jury
I do know that Shields & Co. knows steak dinners, lavish golf outings and Blackhawks games on our dime. Other than they know nothing. Where are the wage proposals Big Mike?
BTW- I heard from a Board member thst Shields wanted to give $3200 of FOP money to the CPD Pistol Team for two members to further their hobby in New Mexico. It must be nice to be in the inner circle. The FOP has a new Girl Friday- how long before the next sexual harassment lawsuit? I heard that her only qualifications are that her dad is a physician and she has student loans.
CFD is under one union , no Gold Braid pension on fire dept . Only the commissioner gets the big pension , gold braid hacks are draining CPD Pension .
90% of current exempts are merit all the way , captain 100% merit
political hacks .FOP, unite with PBPA under one strong union .
I warned everyone that SHIELDS was an incompetent moron before voting. And he was able to dazzle everyone with his bullshit. He accomplished zero while at the pension board and has continued his streak here. Hopefully everyone has figured that out for next election.
6/10/2013 12:18:00 AM
Dude you said it. Shields is a clown
Anonymous said...
OT...I fcked up at home ..does anyone have experience or know a good marriage counselor that is familiar with our lifestyle (uc,shiftwork etc) that is covered by BC/BS. Thanks
6/10/2013 02:44:00 PM
I feel your pain at this very moment. I read this book which might not be what you need therapy wise but its good info for police spouses.Think it's called Emotional Survival for Law Enforcement by dR. kEVIN? Gilmartin. It was a great book AND broke down some stuff we say all the time in regular speak.
The caption "FOP in the Dark" is inaccurate. A better caption should be "FOP Members in the Dark."
There's also a proposal to the FOP by-laws to eliminate the positions of 3rd VP and Financial Secretary. These positions are a waste of money and should be eighty-sixed!
This is our union- lets take it back!
I do know that Shields & Co. knows steak dinners, lavish golf outings and Blackhawks games on our dime. Other than they know nothing. Where are the wage proposals Big Mike?
BTW- I heard from a Board member thst Shields wanted to give $3200 of FOP money to the CPD Pistol Team for two members to further their hobby in New Mexico. It must be nice to be in the inner circle. The FOP has a new Girl Friday- how long before the next sexual harassment lawsuit? I heard that her only qualifications are that her dad is a physician and she has student loans.
ELECTION TIME
*Ask FLOP Treasurer Capparelli
Anonymous said...
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OT...I fcked up at home ..does anyone have experience or know a good marriage counselor that is familiar with our lifestyle (uc,shiftwork etc) that is covered by BC/BS. Thanks
6/10/2013 02:44:00 PM<<
Good Luck Friend, you might try the Employee Assistance Program if your other half will go along with it.
Many years ago we tried a marriage counselor and the only thing we could agree is that she was more screwed up than we were. Professional psychologists make their money by keeping you coming back for more. That was the mistake I made with my daughter when my wife passed away. At the rates we were paying I figure we were the shrink's car payment and I did not like the results.
I suggest that you two set a goal, that you get better with professional help in a year then if it doesn't work out try something else.
6/10/2013 07:14:00 PM
Marriage isn't easy. A police marriage is harder still. It takes work. Try hard to remember why you were attracted to each other in the first place and work to get that again. Forget pointing fingers and blame. Look inward.
If you are churchgoing, talk to a clergyman. Sometimes they are good. If you fucked up, own it, try to make amends. Be sincere, be honest. Every day.
-- 4 up, 3 down
I guess it's a good thing that Mike Shields is paid $209,000 a year and the V.P.'s range in salary from $149,000 to $159,000. Those salaries are right from the Mark Donahue days and continue today. All paid with money collected from the dues paid by the P.O.'s. What is anyone getting for that salary? Not much. That place is run like a clown circus.
I have a ton of documentation..... It wont be long until the Flop and me go to court.
Anonymous said...
I still believe all rank and file should be under one umbrella. Not knowing what the other is doing is working against us. I just don't get why we have differnt union representation when we are all from the same Department. We would be a much stronger union is we all stood together. Yet-- something that seem so simple to me will never be done; at least in my career.
You are an idiot.. You can't have management in the same union as the officers..
6/10/2013 12:05:00 PM
Yes you can.
If you want to see an idiot,look in the mirror.
Hey, you guys and gals elected this moron as your union president.
Don't sit here now and try to pull us into your debacle.
There's a lot reasons we voted to become PBPA represented and NOT the FOP. This is just a prime example
7:59pm thank you for your polite and logical explanation
Anonymous said...
OT...I fcked up at home ..does anyone have experience or know a good marriage counselor that is familiar with our lifestyle (uc,shiftwork etc) that is covered by BC/BS. Thanks
6/10/2013 02:44:00 PM
Hey brother first off peace be with you and take it day by day. Stay away from hospitals or anyone who are mandated to document and report stress at home or at work. It could cost you YOUR FOID card.
Try Anita Verone in the city. She is Police friendly and I know she has helped out a few Troopers with marital issues and deaths of family members. She is off the radar.
Lastly I used Willow Creek Church in South Barrington. Check it ot on line. Honestly it saved my life. They have many proactive group sessions (Marriage Matters, Broken Families, Devorce Recovery ect.) cost is a few bucks and nothing is documented. The bottom line is your getting away from the city and savage and that is healing in itself as well as recovery.
Good luck and get the help you need. None of us would ever think anything less of you.
6/10/2013 12:05:00 PM
If your so smart --explain why our department can't have one union. We work for one agency we have one HR dept, so explain the reason why we can have one union and don't just call me an idiot.
so explain the reason why we can have one union and don't just call me an idiot.
We don't even have a union. FOP is NOT a Union. All they are is a collective bargaining unit.
949pm. Yeah, heard about that bylaw proposal myself. Then found out it was presented by none other than Dean Angelo Sr. If memory serves Dean was a part of the Nolan team who agreed we would start paying for healthcare. Only a buck a check. Great move. What are you paying today?.
He's also been on the pension dime (disabled) while working a full time job for Calumet College for the past decade. Disabled? Really? Hasn't been involved with FOP for over ten years and hasn't paid a dime in dues, but now suddenly he knows whats best for the working coppers?
Three words sum it up. Danger, Will Robinson! You new guys can Google it.
I have a pension idea. Why not pass a bill that says you can only receive a pension payout at your earned rank, i.e. LT? Tell me which one of you out there would make LT and turn down CMDR or Deputy if they said your max pension is that of a LT? In other words your pension is that of a LT but your day to day job is that of a CMDR, etc. and you get that associated pay. I mean half of these bosses get handed Deputy for 3 years then out the door they go. Or make it the opposite with the time. Once you go above LT now your pension pay is the average of the last 6 years and not the last three. How crazy is it that once you make a gold star your time is reduced to 3 years in grade? It should be the opposite.
Before you dump on the FOP/Shields, consider the Lieutenant Assoc.; what was on their minds, to not immediately advise FOP!
They did asshole. How do you think the FOP found out. Know your facts before shooting your mouth off.
6:44 PM is right , in todays southtown a reporter states the state of Ill spends over$$2,500,000
for cable television for inmates.
wtf , this would cover alot of 3% cola for retirees. Now think about every new school in chicago built for illegals and CPD could receive pay raises and fund pension funds.
It's politicians getting the working people against city workers,smoke and mirrors . No talk about reducing aldewrcreatures from 50 to 20 or middle mangaement political workers,parks , libraries , bilingual education .
Just a civilian here and can't comment on interagency politics, but I would like to thank all the police people I saw on the streets for days, sleeping in their cars and looking completely wrung out during that idiotic conference. And thank you for making sure we civs were safe. God bless you...hope you get your overtime pay - you earned it.
Many years ago we tried a marriage counselor and the only thing we could agree is that she was more screwed up than we were. Professional psychologists make their money by keeping you coming back for more. That was the mistake I made with my daughter when my wife passed away. At the rates we were paying I figure we were the shrink's car payment and I did not like the results.
I suggest that you two set a goal, that you get better with professional help in a year then if it doesn't work out try something else.
Couldn't agree more, they just want you to keep coming back. You are smart to realize if nothing is changing or getting better after a year, its not going to.
My biggest complaint was the standand answer from them which is repeated after about 95^ of the questions "What do you think" I know what I think, I want to know what you think, Thats why I'm paying you $250.00 an hour
Listen to you guys, you're playing right into the hands of 9.5 and the rest of the practitioners of fuckery, DON'T LET THEM WIN. rise above the divide and conquer strategy, become ONE solid shaft and ram yourselves right up their liberal, goldcoast/northshore asses. not a cop, just a supporter.
For all those who are sick and tired of the FOP current leadership . Please de-certify the FOP and join the PBPA. The PBPA will be hosting sessions in the benefit of decertifying the current union , loosing all contractual rights and starting over . At these meetings the FOP leadership will all be kicked out and yelled at to "get out of my house" ! Oh wait that was the FOP or FLOP's idea ! Gods job Mickey Mouse ! How's the retro not going ---- HaHA
If the language in both contracts read the same it should be an easy win. When an arbitrator rules on a case he has to look for other like incidents that can back up his ruling on an issue. So this shouldn't be much of a problem. It also makes it rather easy for him to rule on.
To the guy needing help on the home front. Go see Dr. Rob Sobo who works with us police officers. He's at St. Michael's House. He is a great guy and gets us. He understands our schedules, our stress and how we feel and why. Your spouse can go too. It's free for us. Very confidential. Good luck and hang in there.
I like that guy on the commercial who is scamming the other guy by looking into a phony crystal ball and guessing his name wrong and advising him not to look into the ball or he might tear a hole in the universe so why risk it.
He works down at City Hall now.
Anonymous said...
I have a pension idea. Why not pass a bill that says you can only receive a pension payout at your earned rank, i.e. LT? Tell me which one of you out there would make LT and turn down CMDR or Deputy if they said your max pension is that of a LT? In other words your pension is that of a LT but your day to day job is that of a CMDR, etc. and you get that associated pay. I mean half of these bosses get handed Deputy for 3 years then out the door they go. Or make it the opposite with the time. Once you go above LT now your pension pay is the average of the last 6 years and not the last three. How crazy is it that once you make a gold star your time is reduced to 3 years in grade? It should be the opposite.
6/11/2013 09:43:00 AM
You should get a pension based on your civil service rank, no more than that. Lt. is the highest civil service rank, captains sold their rank rights to the city for a few pieces of gold.
Pension contributions over that required for Lt. can go into an IRA, matched by the city but IRA, not pension. When you retire you can get that IRA and roll it over or let it sit or take it to the casino or to Arlington Park.
What does FLOP Treasurer know or even do? The financial crimes Dick
WTF Where's Capparelli????
not a cop, just a supporter.
Great post my friend. If we all stuck together we wouldn't have as much to complain about.
Do you remember the cast of Friends?? Google their story on how they stuck together and all made out equally fine!!
Try Catholic Charities, even if you're not Catholic. They are familiar with our benefits, and refer you to qualified people (not clergy unless you prefer).
I went years back when I screwed up at home, too. I went thinking nothing would work but I had nothing left to lose.
It was very helpful, picked up great ideas that we still practice ten years later and I recommend counseling to anyone willing to try.
Anonymous said...
What does FLOP Treasurer know or even do? The financial crimes Dick
WTF Where's Capparelli????
6/11/2013 09:02:00 PM
Why don't you show up at FOP Hall on June 18 at 700pm and ask him yourself? It is at 1412 W Washington. After the opening prayer and the Pledge, Shields will say some things and you can step right up to the microphone and give your name, star number and unit and ask away.
Please report back with what you find out. I'll be there so I will hear.
Anonymous said...
For all those who are sick and tired of the FOP current leadership . Please de-certify the FOP and join the PBPA. The PBPA will be hosting sessions in the benefit of decertifying the current union , loosing all contractual rights and starting over . At these meetings the FOP leadership will all be kicked out and yelled at to "get out of my house" ! Oh wait that was the FOP or FLOP's idea ! Gods job Mickey Mouse ! How's the retro not going ---- HaHA
6/11/2013 06:42:00 PM
While you do some research into how to decertify the union you will likely learn that it was tried once before. There was a decertification vote taken and the membership elected..... the FOP to represent them. That's twice now the FOP was voted on to represent the membership since 1980.
But you would have learned that while doing the legwork necessary to do the necessary things and compile the necessary signatures to force another vote.
So get on with it.
Anonymous said...
I have a pension idea. Why not pass a bill that says you can only receive a pension payout at your earned rank, i.e. LT? Tell me which one of you out there would make LT and turn down CMDR or Deputy if they said your max pension is that of a LT? In other words your pension is that of a LT but your day to day job is that of a CMDR, etc. and you get that associated pay. I mean half of these bosses get handed Deputy for 3 years then out the door they go. Or make it the opposite with the time. Once you go above LT now your pension pay is the average of the last 6 years and not the last three. How crazy is it that once you make a gold star your time is reduced to 3 years in grade? It should be the opposite.
6/11/2013 09:43:00 AM
Jeez, where did you learn all that crap? 3 years?
in our district Lts only work part time anyways---on watch with 2 they "split the shift" and on watch with single Lt they shanghai a Sgt to open or close (usually only give Sgt a slight slide- 1 or 2 hours)....and LTs can get off whenever they want- XO just plugs in any nitwit Sgt--but Sgts are denied time due because "they" want two on the street....in a normal world, the watch lts/sgts would make system work but instead we see slips submitted to XO w/o regard to other supervisors plans
What does FLOP Treasurer know or even do? The financial crimes Dick
WTF Where's Capparelli????
Capparelli should be safeguarding OUR Money
Capparelli should be telling the members himself or Capparelli's in the same Shields Boat
Why don't you show up at FOP Hall on June 18 at 700pm and ask him yourself? It is at 1412 W Washington. After the opening prayer and the Pledge, Shields will say some things and you can step right up to the microphone and give your name, star number and unit and ask away
*Hey insulting arrogant How about streaming the meeting for US midnight guys! Tell Us don't make us ask . Just keep the memebers in the dark or maybe we should vote you out come next election Capparelli Shields
FOP is always in the fucking dark its either the fucked up asshole dummies that run the shows there or just the wrong idiots we keep electing, boy sure hope that next election we can elect leaders with SOME NUTS!!!!
Hey Post on 6/11 @ 0900
"You said If memory serves the Nolan administration agreed we would start paying for healthcare."
Obviously your memory DOES NOT serve you well. The first contribution for healthcare was in 1989 under Dineen. Look at the 1989-1991 contract at page 101.I am no fan of Angelo but he was in Gangs North at the time.
You said If memory serves the Nolan administration agreed we would start paying for healthcare."
Obviously your memory DOES NOT serve you well. The first contribution for healthcare was in 1989 under Dineen. Look at the 1989-1991 contract at page 101.I am no fan of Angelo but he was in Gangs North at the time.
6/12/2013 08:48:00 PM
Your both wrong and right. Dean was brought inside by Bill Nolan for Harold Kunz. Dean voted for our health insurance to be a percentage of our salary, which is actually the reason we pay so much today. It is a little strange that someone can work full time at Calumet College, but not work limited duty for the police department.
You know I am really getting depressed reading the inane thoughts expressed by Greg Bella, the disgruntled members of the Seargents BOARD who tried to foist Rahm's great plan for our pension on us,Dean Angelo Sr(the disabled professor) and his dumber than a box of rocks kid,former FOP members who were booted out of the Union for various reasons whose hatred for FOP blinds them to the enemy at the gate,President Obama's former Chief of Staff 9.5, I don't envy anyone trying to deal with that lunatic, he is Daley on steroids and lastly that moron who has called World's "Mikey" at least a thousand times in this blog.I can't believe how this collection of ASSHOLES is influencing supposedly intelligent Police Officers into entertaining stupid ideas such as dumping FOP and joining of all things, the PBPA ?
IF That doesn't't you who is posting that I don't know what does, wouldn't Rahm love to have his lap dog PBPA in control of all of us ? Maybe then he could get that wonderful plan for our pension passed.
SO please, please for the good of us all, you malcontents and rivals for Shield's job, keep your mouths shut and thoughts to yourselves at least until we get this pension battle over, you embarrass yourselves and harm all of us.
Hey insulting arrogant How about streaming the meeting for US midnight guys! Tell Us don't make us ask . Just keep the memebers in the dark or maybe we should vote you out come next election Capparelli Shields
How bout stop being a pussy and go before work?
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