Pot Tickets Up in Smoke
Honest to Pete, does anyone ever ask the street coppers what they think of these things before they roll out another disaster?
- Chicago Police issued just 1,117 tickets for small amounts of marijuana in the first 14 months of decriminalization — and the cash-strapped city has collected only 21 percent of the $310,755 in fines, records show.
“The ticketing process is an administrative pain in the butt. It’s so much easier to do a marijuana arrest the old-fashioned way” or just let it go, said [some guy at the] Fraternal Order of Police....
The sobering news that pot tickets have been a bust is tucked away in the 2014 Budget Overview for the city’s Department of Administrative Hearings.
From Aug. 4, 2012, the day ticketing began, through Sept. 24 of this year, police issued just 1,117 tickets. Defendants were found liable in 832, or 81 percent, of the 1,035 cases resolved.
City hearing officers have assessed $310,755 in penalties, but only $67,256, or 21 percent, of those fines have been collected. That’s a drop in the bucket compared to the $1 million that proponents predicted the city would easily collect in just one year.
A million dollars in fines predicted.....and we'll bet they spent that million last year, too, even before they had it in hand. The testing kits, inventory procedure, having to void out everything if the test was negative AND still spend the time inventorying stuff....it was all nonsense. And no one asked actual street cops what they thought of all this.
And Solis, the softball behind this idea, isn't done with it yet:
And Solis, the softball behind this idea, isn't done with it yet:
- But Solis said Thursday he’s so disappointed about the results, he’s arranged a meeting with police Supt. Garry McCarthy to find ways to convince officers to “take it more seriously” and write more tickets.
“I thought police would accept it more because they wouldn’t have to go through the process of arresting and booking somebody. I thought the free time they would get would have them more on the streets and in our neighborhoods. I also thought it would generate some revenue the city really needs,” Solis said.
You thought wrong Danny. You took a relatively simple procedure, a quick arrest, complaints and inventory and turned it into a logistical nightmare involving chemicals, testing, two or three inventories, a ticket, and non-suit for negative testing. Dumb.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
56 Comments:
No SSC...
These "smartest municipal aministrators ever" are so far above seeking the expert advice of the "Old Mustached Petes" of local law enforcement.
Why... Who in their right mind in the august assembly that is Chicago Politics, would validate the Police by seeking actual constructive imput on anything?
*It's the Police who are the problem in Chicago. Once we "fix" them, everything else will fall in place...*
Just wanted to say thanks to the officer from 019 who helped me out with street cleaning on Thursday morning.
Solis can go back up against a door knob and clench with that crazy talk...
This shit is just simply eye-wateringly stupid and is designed to be part and parcel of bringing the proactive hunting down and caging of Chicago's super predators to a standstill by distracting The Police with this nonsense.
We need money so we make all these laws in deception of public safety. Yet judges will only hold those with money be held responsible. Example? Traffic court. Start holding the criminals responsible. Have them clean up, dig up, remove, etc... Most of us tax payers are tired of supporting the rest.
Another know it all asshole.
Time it takes to do the citation is easily as long, and usually longer, than an actual arrest. If that doesn't discourage a copper than what would. Screw it seems to be the mentality. If they made enforcement easy, well maybe they'd see better results.
Once upon a time the old Chicago Police Department would have rolled out something they used to call a "Pilot Program" that would be used in one or two police districts for a fixed period of time to see if it works.
Not any more.
Now they just trot out an alderman's harebrained idea and run with it, even if it isn't ready for Prime Time.
Not that goofy ideas from aldermen are a rarity. Anyone remember Burton Natarus and some of the goofball crackpot shit he used to come up with?
So what they have done is legalize possession of small amounts of marijuana. Good luck getting that genie back in the bottle.
"Son of a bitch. Now I gotta meet this Solis asshole and I gotta monster ass hangover from the twenty-seven Schlitz's I drank."
the best part is you used to be able to take a gangbanger or 2 ( a potential offender or victim to be) off the street for a few hours. now they stay out there. our hands are tied in administrative paperwork that's not worth the time.
Never written one of those ever. Hell with all that, weighing it, testing it, inventories blablabla. If it can't be done on scene in 5-10 min it goes in the sewer, cya shithead. Workin a busy west side district the sarge would shit if I went in off the street for a damn weed ticket.
"From my cold dead hands"
You mean druggies who never paid their state fines when charged with misdemeanors now won't pay their city fines when their misdemeanors are dumbed down to ordinance violations for yet another cash grab by corrupt Democrats?
Shocking.
With great power comes great responsibility. WE would decide if someone went to jail for a small amount of weed. WE used it to clear corners, lock up the problems in the neighborhood.
WE used it as an effective tool to clean up our beats. It worked pretty well. You had to be a real problem to go to jail for small amounts of weed.
THE POLITICIAN saw it as something else. THE POLITICIAN saw it as a tool to help himself. Once again THE POLITICIAN made a mess of it. Vote them out.
OFFICER: May I see your license?
CHEECH: It's on the back of the car, man
Has Mike Shields lost it? In the article he suggests that Chiocago Police turn a blind eye and just let the pot walk.
“The ticketing process is an administrative pain in the butt. It’s so much easier to do a marijuana arrest the old-fashioned way” or just let it go, said Fraternal Order of Police President Mike Shields.
Officers, I suggest that you don't follow his lead and let it go, you must enforce laws equally or end up in Federal Court.
Hey Danny boy, what the fuck made you think just because the beast broke the law in the first place that he would actually pay the fine? That's the sort of brilliant thinking that expects these fucking animals to buy health insurance next year because its the law, and if they don't they'll get fined. Counting on a shithead will let you down every time, but most of us figure that out by about 1st grade.
Make the ticket a $1500.00 fine and give the POPO a day or 2 at the administrative hearing case for each case. Only test the weed if the defendant demands it tested, but if it comes back positive, the defendants fine goes up another $1,000.00.
Make the system work for the PO and fruit will bear from the tree.
Got it Obama lovers.
Ald. Pat Dowell take note . . . get input from the cop on the street before advancing another shit for brains idea like your bicycle registration!
Just legalize the shit already.
Backing up to a doorknob and clenching has always been one of my favorite activities. Danny, if you need some help let me know.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
I would bet the 21% where white kids and not from da hood.
If you generate any revenue for these corrupt scumbags you are an idiot.
That is your problem, Solis, you think too much. The more thinking your aldercreatures do, the more fucked up things become.
Those in the ivory tower always do too much THINKING and not enough ASKING.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We need money so we make all these laws in deception of public safety. Yet judges will only hold those with money be held responsible. Example? Traffic court. Start holding the criminals responsible. Have them clean up, dig up, remove, etc... Most of us tax payers are tired of supporting the rest.
10/25/2013 12:54:00 AM
+1
Was it Solis' buddy that got the test kit contract?? IS that why he's so up set? Solis is not even on the Police Fire Cmmte anymore. He is the head of the Zoning Cmmte. Since when does he care what we do ?
How about this,
1. write the ANOV
2. inventory the dope
3. if the person pays the fine destroy the dope
4. if the person contests it send to crime lab for analysis.
so simple and easy everyone would do it and the city would make money. Why didn't any of your meriticulous geniuses think of that? Signed a lowly Lt. in a Ghetto district..
The "War on Drugs" (weed) is a lost battle. Legalize the shit, tax the hell out of it, make some money to put toward pensions(?) and put the dope boys out of business. I've still never gone on a domestic where a guy smoked a joint and beat his wife.
Why not add the names of unpaid fines to the vetting list of participants of the impending medical pot plan ?
You have unpaid tickets, you cant get your weed. Wouldn't that be a bummer?
I'm against weed being an a.n.o.v. It should be up to the officers discretion. Shithead has an attitude and he has weed equals lock him up. Yuppie with the attitude and has weed equals 6 hours in the lock up. Yeah and I don't go for the weed is non dangerous b.s. that the young coppers spout. I will say that it does seem minorities take it with their milk and Cheerios.
The city needs to start charging Alarm Companies for all the false alarms on residences that we respond too.
If they made it so you just issue the ticket same as you would for pissers and drinkers, it would have worked out much better. Those take only a couple of minutes and then everyone's on their way. Writing tix for weed takes longer than the actual arrest- not worth the effort. Besides, unless the offender is a gangbanger or an asshole most cops would just take their stash and dump it in the sewer and be on their way. No one really cares about a little pot- I've had more problems with drunks in my career than anyone else. I cannot recall one violent encounter with a pothead. Hell, I'd toke up if I could on my RDO! Fk these alderthieves trying to screw everyone 10 ways from sunday for more fines and money.
When they were explaining the whole ridiculous ticket/3 seperate inventories/snapping plastic chemical vials to test for thc, etc....i got so frazzled i wanted to smoke a fatty! Pass the Dorito's Tiny Dancer.
Legalize it and tax it like you tax cigarettes! Doesn't make sense to collect your money on the back end. Tax it, that way you are assured that you collect your money. Make new laws that regulate the poduction of cannabis. Fees for licensing oh the possibilities are endless.! It's for the kids!
lock up these sh-t birds i want my t5hree hours of court it actually takes more time with the ticket
Why write tickets? Judges will not fine them if the violator doesn't have a job or has family issues or got shot at or got locked up or just dont care. So we take the time to write tickets which will accomplish nothing. Why? Look at traffic court. Officer testifies and violator only has to say "I stopped for real" and claim sort of unsupported racial bias. Judge will find them not guilty. Write one for the date if you want. One!
These alderscum are so dumb. We still have to go into the station and do paper work and that takes more time than an arrest
Anonymous said...
Just wanted to say thanks to the officer from 019 who helped me out with street cleaning on Thursday morning.
10/25/2013 12:29:00 AM
And here it is folks...
Cop playing cash machine for the city that will throw them under the bus faster than you can say "Oops."
knew this would be a fuckin stupid DEMOCRAT Politician Idea that would once again WASTE the Middle Class Taxpayers of Crook County/Chicago's Tax Dollars, for more touchy-feely do-gooder Democrat nonsense and bullshit. Try doing something significant Aldermen, instead of costing us all more wasted Tax-Dollars for your infantile Brain-Farts that you seem to think are oh so brilliant.
We have to test the cannabis ourselves with a chemical testing a kit. They don't even provide us with protective eye and hearing wear. If that bag goes snap while you are shaking it then a bunch of gas and chemicals are going to explode onto your face, eyes and ears. God only knows what kind of damage can happen.
What a dumbass idea! What idiot boss came up with this wet dream of a nightmare? Typical administrative clusterfuck.
They should just make it a simple field test and an ANOV. I won't write one the way it is right now. What does he mean take it serious? These assholes aren't going to pay anyhow. They need to start having the judges take ESL classes if you ask me. Sarcasm here. I used to write DUIs when I worked in 022 and I now work in 009 and write zero. I got so tired of the judges. You have all the evidence, they blow over, inventory the alcohol, etc. for the judge to thank you and say he believes both of you. I often laughed and asked myself if the judge spoke fluent English that maybe he nor she understood English. I wasn't sure if he/she listened to a word I said. That's ok Mr. Defense attorney. You helped put yourself out of a job so to speak. I no longer no DUIs and flat out refuse to do them. So tired of being challenged on why I did what I did. So I guess the defense attorney wins. Let them all drive drunk.
Dumbest idea of all time . Shake an bake for an anov that no one will pay .
Any program that keeps shitheads on the street while taking coppers of of it is doomed to fail.
Has Mike Shields lost it? He never had it.
Pass that shit, motherfucker!
21%
21% pay the fine. That's down from the 24% who pay regular ANOV tickets.
3/4 of Chicago ain't gonna pay, no matter what assholes! And nobody is going to make this vast underclass pay.
It was never about the money anyways.
It's about decriminalizing minority youth. Another box checked on Emanuel's credentials card.
Wake up.
I will say that it does seem minorities take it with their milk and Cheerios.
10/25/2013 09:54:00 AM
Funny you think that...we got smoked and drank under the table by majorities in college and the military too...and at grad school functions and professional conferences where people were on their knees vomiting. I grew up in Beverly dude. They got smashed and early.
The weed ticket is the stupidest idea in the world. you still have to do a case report and inventory. An officer spends the same amount of time processing the ticket as an arrest and you're giving the bad guy a break to boot. How embarrassing.
It takes longer than an arrest!!!
You are funny, SCC. You have reduced M.S. to "some guy". I feel the same about him. He is a nobody and we have to put up with him until he is voted out of office next year.
Anyone know how much was spent on those test kits and printing new ANOVs? You know it was WELL over $67K.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We need money so we make all these laws in deception of public safety. Yet judges will only hold those with money be held responsible. Example? Traffic court. Start holding the criminals responsible. Have them clean up, dig up, remove, etc... Most of us tax payers are tired of supporting the rest.
10/25/2013 12:54:00 AM
+1
10/25/2013 09:30:00 AM
+1
Honest to Pete, does anyone ever ask the street coppers what they think of these things before they roll out another disaster?
At first I thought you were talking about ObamaCare / Healthcare.gov
This is the best thing that ever happened for the nickel bag pot salesman. What little law enforcement pressure there was on them has almost totally disappeared. They are free to ply their trade without pesky interference from police.
Is this what Preckwinkle meant by "level the playing field?"
I think McNumb Nuts should put another special detail together. We can call it the Weed and Feed detail.
legalize it, tax it and create a steady flow of revenue for this corrupt State. politicians are really THAT dumb?
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