Sergeant Exam Today
Hope you all get a good night of sleep.
Open post to discuss the test and testing process as we all come down from a few intense months of studying.
Bring pocket money - reports are that parking is being charged at $21 for the day. Add in the test fee ($25) and the coat check (a few bucks) and we're already in the hole.
Good luck.
Open post to discuss the test and testing process as we all come down from a few intense months of studying.
Bring pocket money - reports are that parking is being charged at $21 for the day. Add in the test fee ($25) and the coat check (a few bucks) and we're already in the hole.
Good luck.
Labels: promotions
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
228 Comments:
Good luck Men and Women of the Chicago Police Department. You are a mighty force!!!
its all fixed there are only 300 spots for the "chosen ones" and the fix is already in. Only the bosses kids make it, no reason for me to study because im not going to get it blah blah blah blah... Ive been hearing all of this for the past 7 months. Lets just translate that; Im too lazy to study so I will blame it on that. Guess what, if you study and you are #1, # 25, #50, or even 200 on the list from studying then they will have no choice except to make you. So do you think that nobody ever makes it because of score? Here is reality, the majority of people make it by score, its in the percentages. Merit is only 12-25 percent. Therefore, if you study and pay attention and score well you have good odds of being a sgt. but you would rather cry and whine how its all rigged.. lets call it what it is.. You know you cant pass it and your lazy because you dont want to study. im tired of the miserable bastards on this job.. nothing but crybabies.
Time to start studying...
Unbelievable. They are charging parking and coat check!!! You would have thought they could have found a test venue where parking was free for the testees. Good luck gentleman. I just don't have the drive to be a boss.
One of the most fateful days of my life, a couple of decades ago..
Do well, and it changes everything.
It's up to you whether the change is good or not, so make of it what you will. Good luck, everyone!
Can I get an event number?
Be careful what you wish for.
Good luck to all of you.
Good luck to all!
Fuck that im not taking this test if theyre gonna charge $21 for parking. Thats one $20 scratch off i can use that money on.
MG
Good luck to all
Good luck! I heard they might do a class of sgt 75- 100 in Nov. or Dec. Can anyone verify this?
Welcome to ChiRaq!
I've heard if you make Sgt. all those nuisance fees are refunded!
Notify the Dicks, The Desk and The Deputy......
Who the hell wants to be a sgt?!
its all fixed there are only 300 spots for the "chosen ones" and the fix is already in. Only the bosses kids make it, no reason for me to study because im not going to get it blah blah blah blah... Ive been hearing all of this for the past 7 months. Lets just translate that; Im too lazy to study so I will blame it on that. Guess what, if you study and you are #1, # 25, #50, or even 200 on the list from studying then they will have no choice except to make you. So do you think that nobody ever makes it because of score? Here is reality, the majority of people make it by score, its in the percentages. Merit is only 12-25 percent. Therefore, if you study and pay attention and score well you have good odds of being a sgt. but you would rather cry and whine how its all rigged.. lets call it what it is.. You know you cant pass it and your lazy because you dont want to study. im tired of the miserable bastards on this job.. nothing but crybabies.
When I was new to this job I had the same attitude as you. I looked around and saw, what I believed were a bunch of lazy coppers, always bitch&@ and moaning about pretty much everything. I loved the job and worked hard, to the point of stupidity some might say. Salty cops told me to slow down, it's not worth it, you won't be rewarded and you will probably wind up getting sued.
Fast forward twenty five years and I can honestly say they were right for the most part. Don't get me wrong, I loved to work and had a great partner and a great time, however, I have had to watch as totally useless and incompetent people have been promoted meritoriously again and again or those who attended special study groups that were by "invitation only", which just happened to have a statistically improbable amount of its group promoted by score, again and again. Yes merit only counts for 30% but as you attempt to move up the ladder it only becomes harder to get promoted to Lt. As they simply do not hire ass many off the list and at 30%, the powers at be have been able to put all their politically connected people in the top spots thereby owning this dept. and being able to control the decisions and favors being made across the board.
I took two promotional tests and scored relatively well but never made it and that's okay I'm not bitter about that. It's watching the politics of who gets time due, who gets days, who gets to specialized units, who gets the cush assignments etc. all based on who you know, that's what's tough about this job. Most people just want a fair shot, that's all.
Those old salty veterans were simply trying to provide me with a reality check by telling me the truth about how this job works and doesn't work. I know now they unfortunately knew what they were talking about.
Having said that, I wish all of you no clout go-getters the very best. It's always nice to see a person who study's and actually earns what they get, do well.
Best of luck.
At a way for this City to continue to fuck over its employees by charging fees! Then this dept wonders why moral is in the shitter and nobody wants to do shit anymore! KMA
The Doer is on his way to a fatter paycheck. Good luck ladies!
1st of all, this is not a surprise. Anyone with 1 year on this job figured out that it's all who you know. 2nd, these kids are part of the "entitlement era". They earned nothing, but expect to be given everything. Sad...
Sometimes it's easier to just remain an unnoticed private in the rear ranks and flow through twenty without the extra grief.
charging to park, having the exam in a place that is pretty much inaccessible by the CTA. The words clueless assholes comes to mind
Who's bright idea was it to have an exam site with 2000 parking spots for 5000 people?
Good luck! I heard they might do a class of sgt 75- 100 in Nov. or Dec. Can anyone verify this?
10/26/2013 02:22:00 AM
No, city hall not making any more sgt's until Feb 2014. Budget woes & that'll be from the new sgt's list.
Merit is only 12-25 percent
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Thought it was 30%.
I don't think you are going to pass.
Good Luck to all of you who have studying hard over the past months. Pass the test, be promoted on your own merits. You will make our noble Department a better organization.
No classes from old list, new classin march 2014
Good luck to all and hope everyone does well.
Be a boss of police? Not for me, I admit. Best wishes to those that are trying.....and if you make it, remember the hard-working blueshirts, best done by displaying the traits of a good leader. Correct is not always right, and right is not always easy.
Anonymous said...
its all fixed there are only 300 spots for the "chosen ones" and the fix is already in. Only the bosses kids make it, no reason for me to study because im not going to get it blah blah blah blah... Ive been hearing all of this for the past 7 months. Lets just translate that; Im too lazy to study so I will blame it on that. Guess what, if you study and you are #1, # 25, #50, or even 200 on the list from studying then they will have no choice except to make you. So do you think that nobody ever makes it because of score? Here is reality, the majority of people make it by score, its in the percentages. Merit is only 12-25 percent. Therefore, if you study and pay attention and score well you have good odds of being a sgt. but you would rather cry and whine how its all rigged.. lets call it what it is.. You know you cant pass it and your lazy because you dont want to study. im tired of the miserable bastards on this job.. nothing but crybabies.
10/26/2013 12:14:00 AM
Take a pill and relax. This first part of the test is pass/fail and a monkey could pass it without studying. The test today is nothing but a formality so the bosses kids can have their 30% merit spots and the city can make a little pocket change by charging you $4 to check your coats, rape you on parking for $21, and charge you a $25 test fee as if it costs more than .25 cents to administer this farce. I was going to go today but then I thought to myself, why waste my time, I'm already a detective. And I don't know where you got your merit percentages. I hate to piss in your cornflakes this morning but merit is 30% for sergeant. Judging by your grammar, punctuation, and misinformation, you're probably already a commander yourself. You're right about one thing though. Some people do make it legitimately on these tests but it's a very small number. Some people win the lottery too. Let's not kid ourselves and pretend that these tests are 100% fair and unbiased.
Good Luck everyone. I made Sgt. and was quickly dispatched to 007,Townsend even had a little smirk on his face in the auditorium when he announced the assignments.
Best thing that ever happened to me. I got to work with some of the Best Coppers probably in the Nation. Just about everyone from my old Watch has made some kind of Rank by now.
Be Safe.
Retired & miss it sometimes.
I recall when I took my sergeants exam in 1973. When I got my score I thought that I was out of luck, but found out I was in the first 100. However, I had to wait five years for the court fights by minority groups to settle and then I was passed up for a few years with a quoto.Don't forget the "temporary" sergeants that they made ( all clout"" that we had to sue to get demoted. Wow, what a journey. My point is it is never easy to get promoted on the CPD with all of the racial politics and clout and the fact that there are many talented men and women on the job. You must study even if you are cloutless.
I passed... on taking it.
"Blah, blah blah, the fix is in..."
The fix very much is in and when a system and an organization is this broken down with every facet weighed down and loaded with favoritism, secret arrangements, and clout heavy decision making, you get this very situation, much in need of a reform for a dept. too far gone for its own good.
how would you like to be one of those good coppers waiting this many years off the now defunct list, watching the preselected phone call crowd bump you in to another goround from the beginning all over again for the same thing to happen again and perhaps another 5-6 years of wait in line.
in the mean time the purpose you really serve as one of the pawns and cannon fodder without a free ride even if you do one day make it?
You get to start your seniority all over again in one of the spots not reserved at the airport, academy, headquarters, or a northside district.
congratulations and good luck if you make it...in 003 on midnights with time denied.
How many #2 pencils should I bring?
All I can say is that this was a big cluster fuck this morning. Very unorganized.
To10/26/2013 12:14:00 AM: Keep in mind if you're successful you will have to supervise all of the people you paint such a glowing picture of in your post. Wow, where do I sign up to work for someone who thinks so little of me. You'll make a great boss.
Have fun on midnights in some shit district you have no hope of getting out of because you forfeited all of your seniority for a few more dollars. I'm sure that will brighten up your know-it-all cheery disposition.
Glad you're up for the task. I'd prefer to be responsible for me and my partner. And it's not due to laziness or a lack of intellect. I have a double masters in education. I'm just happy doing what I am doing.
Rob, did you wake up in time?
My only 'humble' advice is that if you make it...
*Never forget where you came from
*Treat others the way that you expected to be treated
*Have the backs of those that depend on you
* Lead by example
* Support and acknowledge the daily good works of those that deserve it
* Laugh/smile every day, Life is Short
Good Luck to all involved.
Ol'vet (R/sgt)
if the test is not rigged then why won't they show you the graded test so you can see what answers were right or wrong--- the purpose of giving a test is to see if you know the material and to correct things you are wrong about--- post all of the merit sgts made in the past twenty years and explain what they did that justified them being promoted over someone else who scored higher than they did--- I'd rather be lazy than be some douchebag who sucked miles and miles of c*&k to get those stripes...
41 Lt's in Nov
Hold me down on a couple of curfews.
So how many people actually bought a $25 lottery ticket for today?
Hopefully they give a dick's test soon. Who really wants to be a sergeant anyway?
Not gonna lie, the pay has been great. However, I never came close to having as much fun as I did as a patrolman. There's always a trade off, I guess.
Good luck to all!
I've heard if you make Sgt. all those nuisance fees are refunded!
10/26/2013 02:34:00 AM
I've heard if you win the lottery you become rich!
"its all fixed there only 300 spots for the 'chosen ones' and the fix is already in...."
Yes the fix is already in. The exams are reviewed by the exempt rank, who get copies of the test. They can disperse that information to whomever they choose, namely those that are part of a special "study group" comprised of those officers who are connected. Merit appointments are 20% regardless of score, so that leaves you with the remainder of promotions by score alone. Within that group you then have those whose score was attained by foreknowledge of the actual test, so in actuality the number of people who make sergeant by score alone without any "help" is much lower. Yes, there will be very bright individuals who score in the top 20% without cheating, and without a phone call, but their reward will be working 1st watch in 005, and will have to wait years before they can gain enough seniority to bid out. Meanwhile, the cheating clouted ones will have much better spots. Good luck to those who really wanted this and earned it legitimately.
I rode my pretty blue Rahm bike down there .
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
I wish I had the drive to want to be a Sgt. I couldn't handle supervising some of the lazy dog job dodgers/ trouble starters that are on the job. I tip my hat to you decent Sgt.'s out there, but thats why you get the big bucks. After 21 years on and still having fun, arresting dude, straight days weekends off, great furlough picks I can't change with #?'s in grade school ... With out a phone call, I'd be doing midnights for the next 10 years! That's about the time the next Sgt. Test will be given. Good luck and may the worthy coppers pass.
Good luck to all you guys and gals. Hope you like working midnights for the next 8-10 years in the ghetto. But hey its wroth it. Oh I forgot phone calls will wind up in units.
OT: I Hear...
Capts
Cesario back to 606
Piglet back to academy
Lott to 18
Klich to 15
Chambers to 10
Judon and Sanchez inspectors
Also ryan from 19 and Anderson from 10 are inspectors
Looney to 019 and Ryan gone, at long last? If so, Looney is the new XO, if so great pick.
Yes a class of Sgts next month and then Dets.
I thought I was in line for the auto show....
I swear the Procters were either Safe Passage workers or just got out of lockup themselves. And the BLIND Procter? Wtf was up with that?
I bet my proctor has an IR number
The explosion at my table was me bombing that bitch.
there you go hairgels. go take the test
That test sucked. I bet allot of people failed
Easy test hope part 2 is the same way.
Question about some transgender shitnut? Are you fucking kidding me? Enough of this ass kissing to every freaking goofball this city has to offer.
Treat it like an offender, I promise that if has a sack it's getting searched by me even if it thinks it's a woman. Have a female perform an in custody search on a male subject and wait for the CSA beef to land on you. Count on it.
By the way fuck you very much Rham for the extra $21 parking hit. The city can't even give us that?
My rant is done sorry for wasting everyone's time
Test was harder than I thought
Heres an idea; make everyone take off their jackets, don't let them piss before the test and then turn up the AC to the FREEZE setting! Fucking brilliant!
No no, better yet, encourage everyone to take public transportation and then tell them when they get there that they should have left their jackets and bags in their CARS! Pure genius!
Anonymous said...
its all fixed there are only 300 spots for the "chosen ones" and the fix is already in. Only the bosses kids make it, no reason for me to study because im not going to get it blah blah blah blah... Ive been hearing all of this for the past 7 months. Lets just translate that; Im too lazy to study so I will blame it on that. Guess what, if you study and you are #1, # 25, #50, or even 200 on the list from studying then they will have no choice except to make you. So do you think that nobody ever makes it because of score? Here is reality, the majority of people make it by score, its in the percentages. Merit is only 12-25 percent. Therefore, if you study and pay attention and score well you have good odds of being a sgt. but you would rather cry and whine how its all rigged.. lets call it what it is.. You know you cant pass it and your lazy because you dont want to study. im tired of the miserable bastards on this job.. nothing but crybabies.
10/26/2013 12:14:00 AM
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I agree. That is why I take a proactive approach. I am a Doer. I already bought my white shirts. And after studying for so many years, I am going to score high enough to get promoted. People need to lift themselves up by their boot straps. It is easy to blame other people for your failures. Look in the mirror. The first part of the test was very easy.
You know you cant pass it and your lazy because you dont want to study. im tired of the miserable bastards on this job.. nothing but crybabies.
10/26/2013 12:14:00 AM
Blow me suck hole. You are probably one of the cheaters. Fuck you in your pompous ass. It is a KNOW FACT that the subject matter experts help their favorites.
Where did the find these proctors for this exam? One goof couldn't manage passing out the proper handouts and almost forgot a whole row.
10/26/2013 12:14:00 AM
Amen, Amen, Amen.
Anyone else feel that there were a few Q that had NO correct answer?
Most of the answers were b, did anyone else have the same?
I think I spelled my name wrong, is that going to be a problem?
So, just to walk in the door to take a test, you have no hope of passing if you do not have phone call call,is going to cost you $50...wow....only in Shitcago.
And the winners of the brown envelope constest are????
Hey black Paul Blart who won't stop eyeing my chest while I'm taking the test:
Obama bitch.
The test site was a joke. Asshole proctors in charge of testing for CPD because they couldn't hack it as census workers. Fucking losers. Not enough bathrooms for the amount of test takers. Getting treated like a child all day by these pukes! Were they afraid I had the test answers written with wax pencil on my penis?
Had the test completed in under two hours, the other four hours were simply wasted!
Oh..fuck it! At least it got me out of work for a day.
Apparently Inspector Ryan found out hours after the moves were made, he wasn't happy, look out 019 he's gonna either be status quo or a real mother.....time will tell. Oh Mickey did you give the car back?
That was no where near as easy as part 1 of the last Sgt. Test... Holy $#!+
"No, city hall not making any more sgt's until Feb 2014. Budget woes & that'll be from the new sgt's list."
So the second part is in January and the results from that will be ready in Feb? What department do you work for? You are a fucking moron! Go away troll!
It was kinda weird seeing my proctor who I put a case on a few
back...AWKWARD
As I was entering the test site I was glad to see many of my colleagues that I had not seen in many years. We made small talk and then shook hands as they walked away they would say to me "Good luck" but deep down inside know they were thinking " I hope you fail so my chances of being promoted increase" but thats ok I still love my brothers in blue. Good luck to all.
The test should have been graded on spot and score given. Rank order off of that should be posted. No need for a second part. Everyone knows that's all bullshit. And I most likely failed the test. It was harder than the past 3 given. And the clouted will know how to answer part 2. Oh well....this job beats working for a living.
16 year old has sex with 7 year old? CSA or CSAb or AACSA or CSAb.
how many times does dss check lock-up?
what is a child abduction?
how often are weapon inspections done?
supervisor on scene of VSIP not part of entry team what does he do?
Who is responsible for obtaining school packet for VSIP?
what does sgt do with contaminated people?
what is the evac distance for haz mat?
how does sgt code out burglary that he doesn't want car to handle job?
what happens when random drug test PO blows and is positive?
classify robbery but no gun found on offender but implied?
Arson with bullet to head body found? one case report or two?
who is responsible for downwind security of hazmat scene?
unmarked car initiated pursuit, what are the rules?
What is the balancing test?
proctor is stoned cant find your seat?
proctor loses test booklet?
member observes a bad thing by partner what are they required to do?
who approves trr if not a LT?
when is an OBR done?
transgender with no id but says she is woman but wants to be a man how do you process?
tenant locked out landlord not on scene what do you do?
partner doesn't want to handcuff guy in wheelchair.
can you leg iron obese guy?
dui observation time.
neglect abuse of kids what is sgt's next responsibility?
when can you oc occupant of car?
how long till oc effects are gone?
extigent circumstances with warrantless search.
consent to search, verbal.
use of deadly force shooting into house, moving car, crowd.
probable cause in relation to arrest.
conflicting orders of protection.
respondent not aware of order responsibilities.
hospital and POs responsibilities regarding DUI alternate testing?
DUI with fatality.
Felt that the money spent on study group was too much.
Seemed to me that if your are a copper on the street, (not necessarily a worker)the majority of the questions were easily answered. So how does a housemouse, or 35th St. desk jockey do well if they didn't study?
Oh wait...
A grievance is already in the works because this department proves once again what happens
when the leadership vacuum allows a major department in the nation to pass on putting a process together that isn't about haste and waste.
smaller police departments in the country don't wait years to start a new process and then suddenly cram everyone into one test in one location in one day.
if you know from past experience that the list will last years and years without explaining the process to those who will be made to wait and then not informed when their status has simply expired, perhaps it would be fair to have an ongoing process like they do in places where it's an open position, you know how many spots there are, and you put in for it, take a test and get called.
Supposing you're somewhere that denies time, everyone that can get the time off to take the test gets there on time or goes on duty. Meanwhile potentially hundreds of officers couldn't make it for reasons beyond their control...
anywhere else that officer doesn't worry because there's an open testing process, a dept. Facility where he can log in, take the test, put his test in the running and filed as part of his application.
Anonymous said...
HERE'S A BETTER IDEA! Let's tax the Alderman's bribes. A ten percent tax should just about balance the city's books in one year.
10/24/2013 09:50:00 AM
The best post yet!
Why the fuck does the building have an odd address (2301 S. LSD or whatever) and ... it's on the west side of the street?
Do I fail automatically if I can't even find the fucking building?
12:14 am
In Northside's blog, he proved that seventy (70%) percent of those promoted did not deserve it. Do you really think that merit is legit? Want to see a clout baby hack? You look in the mirror. Rig this.
www.johnnorthen.blogspot.com
Well, almost the entire testing procedure was idiotic and even more so insulting. Get there just a little early to find parking... fine. They had very limited parking pay boxes set up. That number is fine on a regular day, but not when you have several thousand cars leaving at the same time. Get in at 7:30, pay $21 for parking, then stand around until 10:22 for the test to start?! Like cattle they wanted to funnel us into coat check rooms and the one working toilet that started to overflow and floor was soaked in urine. That's of course after after having to raise my hands three times to get a pass, then wait in line for 12 more minutes to actually be able to use the bathroom. It shouldn't take 20 minutes to pee during and important exam. The chairs were designed for kids. They were flimsy and way too low for anyone over 5'08". Finally, what retard decided to save money by not having the place properly heated? It got colder and colder! Also, what merit boss decided to put thousands of police officers in the same location at the same time? These days when we have to be mindful of terrorism this was a big mistake! If things go bad, more than half of Chicago's police force would of been exposed! Piss poor planning!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Good luck! I heard they might do a class of sgt 75- 100 in Nov. or Dec. Can anyone verify this?
10/26/2013 02:22:00 AM
Historically, they promote just before Christmas - early to mid-December.
Good luck. Sounds like you're sitting on the cusp of making it or not.
I agree. That is why I take a proactive approach. I am a Doer. I already bought my white shirts. And after studying for so many years, I am going to score high enough to get promoted. People need to lift themselves up by their boot straps. It is easy to blame other people for your failures. Look in the mirror. The first part of the test was very easy.
10/26/2013 02:16:00 PM
MISSY! Nice to see you back here! Did you write a few hundred parking tickets on your way to and from the test?
Man that was a tough test. Everyone, including myself, who has been studying also thought so. Although, a few questions made no sense and none of the answers seemed to fit. I couldn't help but notice a few people were done pretty quick, and I can't help but wonder if they already knew what was going to be on the test, because there was SO much material to cover.
Where all those proctors let out of 26th and cal for community service hrs. What a disgrace
its all fixed there are only 300 spots for the "chosen ones" and the fix is already in. Only the bosses kids make it, no reason for me to study because im not going to get it blah blah blah blah... Ive been hearing all of this for the past 7 months. Lets just translate that; Im too lazy to study so I will blame it on that. Guess what, if you study and you are #1, # 25, #50, or even 200 on the list from studying then they will have no choice except to make you. So do you think that nobody ever makes it because of score? Here is reality, the majority of people make it by score, its in the percentages. Merit is only 12-25 percent. Therefore, if you study and pay attention and score well you have good odds of being a sgt. but you would rather cry and whine how its all rigged.. lets call it what it is.. You know you cant pass it and your lazy because you dont want to study. im tired of the miserable bastards on this job.. nothing but crybabies.
If the test was all multiple choice I would agree with you. BUT the writtn test they can grade the answers how they like.
Anonymous said...
To10/26/2013 12:14:00 AM: Keep in mind if you're successful you will have to supervise all of the people you paint such a glowing picture of in your post. Wow, where do I sign up to work for someone who thinks so little of me. You'll make a great boss.
Have fun on midnights in some shit district you have no hope of getting out of because you forfeited all of your seniority for a few more dollars. I'm sure that will brighten up your know-it-all cheery disposition.
Glad you're up for the task. I'd prefer to be responsible for me and my partner. And it's not due to laziness or a lack of intellect. I have a double masters in education. I'm just happy doing what I am doing.
10/26/2013 09:28:00 AM
Your double master's in education don't mean you got the brains or balls to be a boss...let alone a GOOD boss. I have a master's from a nationally ranked program and some of my former classmates I wouldn't trust to pump my gas. School taught me the outs and ins of admin and politicking (which is part of moving up in public sector jobs like it or not). The military taught me most about leadership. But there is only one place to learn to be the police and it ain't in the military, in school, or snuggling with your partner under a comfy snuggie. Your double master's is cute but it don't mean the men and women you work with will follow you anywhere.
Anonymous said...
I swear the Procters were either Safe Passage workers or just got out of lockup themselves. And the BLIND Procter? Wtf was up with that?
10/26/2013 01:01:00 PM
One of my boys was taking the test today and he told me they were Safe Passage workers...I told him he'd have an arrest in two weeks of a guy wearing the cheesy proctor shirt.
Question about some transgender shitnut? Are you fucking kidding me? Enough of this ass kissing to every freaking goofball this city has to offer.
Treat it like an offender, I promise that if has a sack it's getting searched by me even if it thinks it's a woman. Have a female perform an in custody search on a male subject and wait for the CSA beef to land on you. Count on it.
By the way fuck you very much Rham for the extra $21 parking hit. The city can't even give us that?
My rant is done sorry for wasting everyone's time
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Thank you. You just made my day!
Chambers to 10? You guys got a real WINNER! Just ask him, he'll tell you.
Anonymous said...
its all fixed there are only 300 spots for the "chosen ones" and the fix is already in. Only the bosses kids make it, no reason for me to study because im not going to get it blah blah blah blah... Ive been hearing all of this for the past 7 months. Lets just translate that; Im too lazy to study so I will blame it on that. Guess what, if you study and you are #1, # 25, #50, or even 200 on the list from studying then they will have no choice except to make you. So do you think that nobody ever makes it because of score? Here is reality, the majority of people make it by score, its in the percentages. Merit is only 12-25 percent. Therefore, if you study and pay attention and score well you have good odds of being a sgt. but you would rather cry and whine how its all rigged.. lets call it what it is.. You know you cant pass it and your lazy because you dont want to study. im tired of the miserable bastards on this job.. nothing but crybabies.
10/26/2013 12:14:00 AM
Sorry you do not make #1-300 by studying hard.The test is fixed and positions assigned by clout,sorry.
Long line waiting. No coats or sweatshirts. 30 degree room 2 hours waiting. Idiots passing out materials. Take off paper from water bottle since I may hide a cheat sheet there. Test ? Who made these questions? They were like math questions trying to figure where 2 trains meet
Take a pill and relax. This first part of the test is pass/fail and a monkey could pass it without studying. The test today is nothing but a formality so the bosses kids can have their 30% merit spots and the city can make a little pocket change by charging you $4 to check your coats, rape you on parking for $21, and charge you a $25 test fee as if it costs more than .25 cents to administer this farce. I was going to go today but then I thought to myself, why waste my time, I'm already a detective. And I don't know where you got your merit percentages. I hate to piss in your cornflakes this morning but merit is 30% for sergeant. Judging by your grammar, punctuation, and misinformation, you're probably already a commander yourself. You're right about one thing though. Some people do make it legitimately on these tests but it's a very small number. Some people win the lottery too. Let's not kid ourselves and pretend that these tests are 100% fair and unbiased.
10/26/2013 08:28:00 AM
Who is your Chinaman that got you your Dick spot?? Not enough or loose your juice to go further??
You knew the fix was in when an exempt rank escorted a candidate or "clout friend" to the bathroom at the time using the front restroom was not allowed. Ya think all 5,000 did not see that? We were all facing the bathroom. The bathroom gatekeeper challenged the white shirt but he reluctantly allowed it. Right in front of everyone too.
Chixago is 1/3 black 1/3 white and 1/3 Hispanic right. I don't think the proctors represented that population accurately. Gee I wonder why. I bet if it was the other way around, there would be a problem. Id like to know how much they got paid for that
What kind of f***** up test was that! There were so many grammatically incorrect and misleading questions posted within the exam book that i truly felt embarassed being a member of this department. Some questions were so poorly phrased that that i could not determine either their intent or what i was being asked. And the biggest question in my mind while completing this monstrosity was why are given an examination on the functions of a field sergeant when we are police officers. Should not we be tested on what a police officer should know in combination with the operational philosophy of the department and later be instructed in the functions of a supervisor if we score successful and are promoted? This deartment is completely backwards. I have held many professional jobs, but this one is by far the strangest. And $25.00? Weird.
Nepotism, cronyism, cash bribery and sexual favors. This is Chicago.
Keep that on the down low.
taser quedtion was 14 or 18 feet like we measure before using a taser on an assailant. had several useless questions
Who the hell wants to be a sgt?!
10/26/2013 06:27:00 AM
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Who the hell wants to be a P.O. after 10 years?
After 20 years of service:
A Sergeant makes $ 99,756
A P.O. Blueshirt makes $83,706
So:
A Sergeant makes in basepay:
$ 16,050 more
Supervisors quarterly $ 5737
Sell back 200 hours
(of the 45 minutes a day Sgts make)
$ 9591
Add them up:
$ 31,378 MORE A YEAR
Also... no more touching scumbags and doing menial arrest reports.
NO MORE bullshit parkers, movers and contact cards.
And best
of all... no more damn court.
THE BEST day of my career was when I made sergeant.
Good luck to all who took the test!!
Sometimes it's easier to just remain an unnoticed private in the rear ranks and flow through twenty without the extra grief.
10/26/2013 07:16:00 AM
That is one smart guy!! It really isnt worth the hassle. Leave me in the gray.
If you studied you passed! If you went to the Bernstein prep class you know everything was covered and you passed. It's all about Part 2 now. You gotta want it!
This is "BS" the only thing this test weeds out are good potential candidates whom are bad test takers but would be great bosses...bottom line this should be a final exam after entering a sgt. class. A case by case interview will be way better just like when we got into the department in the first place...be ready for the next premadonas whom feel they are above all and treat the subordinate with no respect....no matter what those who do deserve it good luck to you all and don't forget where u came from.
Im glad this is over. Can we now please have paper for the copy machine...a lot of fools in the districts weee just printing out everything wtf pull it up on your pc...
It's all legit. Just ask Cozzi.
U don't need Bernstein, just read the general orders mentioned on the city website!
If you studied you passed! If you went to the Bernstein prep class you know everything was covered and you passed. It's all about Part 2 now. You gotta want it!
10/26/2013 08:49:00 PM
Bull$h$t. Did you actually take the Bernstein class because you would see that 90% of the material on his comprehensive practice tests were not on the test. You could have saved the thousand bucks and just studied all the material on the reading list.
All I can say is if you gave the same test to 100 random Sgts......i bet 75% would fail this test. Odd pick of questions.
I felt this test was more gimmicky then the past. They tried to trip you up too much rather than relying on raw knowledge. There were orders I knew inside out and still wasn't sure what they wanted. Not straight forward. And the stuff they did ask was kinda obscure ..I knew a lot of it but felt some of the questions didn't pertain much to
The sgt job.
ALSO ! What's up with the bathroom situation. Morning coffee and you can't go for 2 hours. Wtf!!
You can have the promotion. I will right my curfew and go to bed. No stress.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Good luck! I heard they might do a class of sgt 75- 100 in Nov. or Dec. Can anyone verify this?
10/26/2013 02:22:00 AM
Historically, they promote just before Christmas - early to mid-December.
Good luck. Sounds like you're sitting on the cusp of making it or not.
10/26/2013 05:49:00 PM
Historically huh? There is no history here, this is Rahm's police department now! The police department that Rahm hates and is destroying! Don't count on ANY promotions at all while he is in office! WAKE UP!
1st amendment rights of protesters blocking street.
po telling sex joke other po is offended.
cr initiation for anonymous sexual harassment.
upgrade for fleeing eluding police.
curfew hours.
curfew defenses for staying on premise.
momma arrested and 15 year old getting out of school and gonna be home alone.
orders of protection and who does it apply to.
electronic stalking.
conflicting directives what resolves conflict?
suicide bomber killed what do you do next?
medical status and earning ot for court.
member goes home sick and how are they carried on sheets.
conflicting orders of protection.
crime scene markers and inner outer perimeter.
news crew on scene without credentials.
inventory of gun holster and bullets.
ANOV and cannabis.
biased based policing and treatment of citizen based on sexual orientation.
fruits of crime and searches.
Automated arrest down who can authorize paper?
whos' responsible for inspecting pos'.
po notified by sgt to do something through another po, responsible or not.
member must inventory found property by when?
gang members are not to return to hot spot for how long?
po off duty insults off duty supervisor is it wrong?
when clearing radio assignment how do you clear, radio & pdt?
I was one of the first fifty out the door.
I didn't have the answers
I didn't study since the last exam
I didn't score better than 80%, probably less
I didn't see the point in re-reading the questions over and over
I didn't get home quickly because I carpooled!
I didn't expect part one to be this rigorous
I DID realize that I have a lot of work to do to even think about not embarrassing myself on part two
You knew the fix was in when an exempt rank escorted a candidate or "clout friend" to the bathroom at the time using the front restroom was not allowed. Ya think all 5,000 did not see that? We were all facing the bathroom. The bathroom gatekeeper challenged the white shirt but he reluctantly allowed it. Right in front of everyone too.
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Saw that too, everyone was gonna pee their pants and the clouted one got to go..
That brad woods class was the biggest waste of money.
Total money grab
If I didn't take the Bernstien class, I would have failed. Too much shit to read. I wonder what part 2 will be?
When you make sergeant, keep one of your blue shirts as a reminder of where you were before that promotion. That way, you will always remember where you came from. Remember every boss you worked for on this job. If they were good bosses try to emulate them. If they were not so good try not to repeat their actions.Most importantly never ever ever ever ask your people to do anything you would not do yourself.
Sgt. Nobody
Four months of study, classes, and hard work. Major pain in the ass, however
Dr was dead on!
"Add them up:
$ 31,378 MORE A YEAR
Also... no more touching scumbags and doing menial arrest reports."
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It seems I recall a sergeant who recently got stabbed a couple of times in the face. The good sergeants are right there with the troops.
Around 1970 a sergeant and a PO died together at Cabrini doing their jobs, not counting up the extra pay a sergeant gets.
Who is your Chinaman that got you your Dick spot?? Not enough or loose your juice to go further??
10/26/2013 07:00:00 PM
Don't be jealous that you're still pushing a beat car. Do you have 2 years on the job and don't know any better or are you just stupid? Why would you ever want to go "further" than dick you idiot? It's the best job on the department and you can easily make more money than any sergeant without all the headaches of being a sergeant in a shit district.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What kind of f***** up test was that! There were so many grammatically incorrect and misleading questions posted within the exam book that i truly felt embarassed being a member of this department. Some questions were so poorly phrased that that i could not determine either their intent or what i was being asked. And the biggest question in my mind while completing this monstrosity was why are given an examination on the functions of a field sergeant when we are police officers. Should not we be tested on what a police officer should know in combination with the operational philosophy of the department and later be instructed in the functions of a supervisor if we score successful and are promoted? This deartment is completely backwards. I have held many professional jobs, but this one is by far the strangest. And $25.00? Weird.
10/26/2013 07:18:00 PM
You must be new here. Who said this was a professional job?
This is "BS" the only thing this test weeds out are good potential candidates whom are bad test takers but would be great bosses...bottom line this should be a final exam after entering a sgt. class. A case by case interview will be way better just like when we got into the department in the first place...be ready for the next premadonas whom feel they are above all and treat the subordinate with no respect....no matter what those who do deserve it good luck to you all and don't forget where u came from.
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The bad test-taker excuse. My favorite.
1.The sentence structure and composition was weak for many questions. The garage burglary answers was preposterous. 114p 19p 119s ...either was typos with the 1 in front, or complete morons don't know our codes.
2. Question, why were the number of white proctors not a representation of the city demographics? White high school kids needs jobs too....Keep voting Democratic and you'll see more dreads,nose rings, and gang tattoos on proctors monitoring a police test while forgetting to stamp you test when you exit.
3. Has the average height of a police officer gone to 5'6" with a weight of 170lbs. I just saw 5000, in which 2000 could actually go to to with a jail muscle thug.
Waiting for the next ET or Detectives exams.
Forgetaboutits no white shirt for me!
This is "BS" the only thing this test weeds out are good potential candidates whom are bad test takers but would be great bosses...bottom line this should be a final exam after entering a sgt. class. A case by case interview will be way better just like when we got into the department in the first place...be ready for the next premadonas whom feel they are above all and treat the subordinate with no respect....no matter what those who do deserve it good luck to you all and don't forget where u came from.
Uhhh, ok...and just who would be conducting these case by case interviews? Talk about putting your friends/relatives/clout babies in! If there are people out there that can't pass a test on dept. rules, regs, and general orders, then they shouldn't be a sgt. This wasn't an advanced calculus test or rocket science. If you don't know the first part, you wouldn't be a great boss. You'd be a great guy/girl who doesn't know their shit. I'd rather have a boss who knows what to do if if hits the fan.
Why the fuck does the building have an odd address (2301 S. LSD or whatever) and ... it's on the west side of the street?
Do I fail automatically if I can't even find the fucking building?
It's all part of McCormick Place. The address is from the original building (the East Building), which used to house Arie Crown Theater, and that building is east of the Drive.
To much bitching! It's very simple folks! If u studied and read the all the material at least one through then the test was a breeze! If u didn't! stop fucking complaining, that's ur fault and only ur fault and guess what? You'll never get promoted
@9:36AM- Yes, Rob woke up and made it. Barely. Thanks for the wake up call. Uncle Rob is getting too old for this, and he's got the gray hair to prove it.
A few words regarding sgt test. Smelly cops, male cops dressed like females, females Cops dressed way to masculine, blind proctor, pregnant test taker, why wood u bring your pistol and handcuffs to a scantron test, had to pee and told I couldn't, when I see 5000 Chicago cops in a room , I'm surprised we weren't shipped off to botany bay.
What's the passing score?
What the hell is a bad test taker? If you don't know the answers, of course u r bad at taking tests.
I saw Rob in class. That means he woke up and made it in time.
Blow me suck hole. You are probably one of the cheaters. Fuck you in your pompous ass. It is a KNOW FACT that the subject matter experts help their favorites.
waaahhhhhh!!! wahhhhh!!! guys like you are exactly what is wrong with this job. How is it a KNOWN FACT know it all??? Is it because you never pass a promotion test?? Yeah, i will go with that answer. Be an adult and take a look within yourself and realize maybe that you are the reason your not passing tests. Lazy, dont pay attention or just dont care enough to actually learn things. Does the truth hurt yet?? The majority of coppers sit back and pretend to know it all and think they dont need to study because they know it all. Do yourself a favor, if you pass part one, study your behind off and put several hours a day into it. I guarantee you will more than likely pass. If you dont do this and you dont pass then you have nobody but YOURSELF to blame. If you dont put in the study time and effort then you have no place being a supervisor. These tests could care less about your big pinches in the past. Nobody cares about them when it comes to a scantron test... sad but true. So study and learn what our job is "supposed" to be on paper and pass the damn test. IF you think you know it all and have a better idea then good luck with that.. Im sure it will be the same as all of your previous test failures.
the odds of passing the first part are EXTREMELY high as compared to years past. So, if you are worrying about not passing the first part I would not.. If you got less than 60, yes I said 60 WRONG you will be fine on the first part and should move on to the second part. so all in all, you only needed to answer 40 or more total correct. good luck to all on part 2.. study hard and dont freak out about this first part. It ALWAYS seems like you got a ton wrong after the test because the only ones you think about and remember are the ones that you had trouble with and got wrong.. rule of thumb is if you think you bombed it you didnt, you just are over thinking it post test.
Very vague and poorly worded exam. im sure the IN folks got the low down. Meanwhile all of us paid their buddy Berstein 900 clams for what a couple of items on a tests which had on the listed questions in comment 16yr old were there was a real answer. OH well 7 more years whens the dect test
Anonymous A Day Dog Sergeant said...
Who the hell wants to be a sgt?!
10/26/2013 06:27:00 AM
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Who the hell wants to be a P.O. after 10 years?
After 20 years of service:
A Sergeant makes $ 99,756
A P.O. Blueshirt makes $83,706
So:
A Sergeant makes in basepay: $ 16,050 more. Supervisors quarterly $5737.Sell back 200 hours (of the 45 minutes a day Sgts make. $ 9591 Add them up: $ 31,378 MORE A YEAR
Also... no more touching scumbags and doing menial arrest reports.
NO MORE bullshit parkers, movers and contact cards.
And best of all... no more damn court. THE BEST day of my career was when I made sergeant. Good luck to all who took the test!!
10/26/2013 08:07:00 PM
Well I made Sgt with 6 years on the job and been six figures ever since. Working day furlos from the start. I sell back hours, AND go to court. Sure you get sued and brought into PO's lawsuits from just doing your job. I get paid to go explain what was done and why. But, do your job right, document and don't cut any corners and you will be fine.
I wont lie, its nice going to court. Lawyers apologize from bringing me in. Judges try to get me out by calling my case up first.
You are in the loop at work, crime scenes and any major incident.
Sure you drop in seniority but guess what? Supervisors pick their furlos differently and work with each other.
Yes becoming a Sgt was a great opportunity.
You get to be better to PO's and put them in for deserved awards.
Cant complain about the job one bit. Its worth every minute of studying and any $ you put into classes to better your chances.
Oh yeah, we also get retro pay on new contracts.
Its something most have to work for. Never pass up an opportunity to be a Sgt. Good luck!
"...Some questions were so poorly phrased that that i could not determine either their intent or what i was being asked..."
that may be related to the subject matter experts who were detailed out for a few days to "help" the company....inc Cdr L Flores, Lt A Gonzalez..
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Good luck! I heard they might do a class of sgt 75- 100 in Nov. or Dec. Can anyone verify this?
10/26/2013 02:22:00 AM
Historically, they promote just before Christmas - early to mid-December.
Good luck. Sounds like you're sitting on the cusp of making it or not.
10/26/2013 05:49:00 PM
Sure, I can verify that. Anything you want. Consider it verified.
Anonymous said...
Why the fuck does the building have an odd address (2301 S. LSD or whatever) and ... it's on the west side of the street?
Do I fail automatically if I can't even find the fucking building?
10/26/2013 05:28:00 PM
Ask your clout.
I took the Bernstein class and took all of his quizzes and tests and studied pretty hard. And I can say that the test was written poorly for a lot of the questions. I truly think they are going to be throwing out a few questions for sure. Bernstein said this company makes questions straight forward I guess he forgot to mention that they leave important elements of scenarios out. This was part one and it was all scenario questions which surprised a few who said part one in the past was a piece of cake well it wasn't a walk in the park. When I first got there and seen that long ass line it made me realize that all these coppers are here for a few reasons. Its a shame that they made you wait almost 7 years for a promo test. 5000 pos took the test should say to the department hey there are a lot of people who like this job enough to take this test maybe we should offer it a little sooner. Good luck to all who took the test. And I'm sure those panel of experts made sure the test was legit.
If you studied you passed! If you went to the Bernstein prep class you know everything was covered and you passed. It's all about Part 2 now. You gotta want it!
Thank you for your comment Mr. Bernstein.
It was cold, the test started an hour late, I had to wait in a 15 minute line to take a leak, that little flimsy chair was killing my back(I feel sorry for the bigger people) and it was very loud when people finished and stood in the halls! I'm not too excited about how well I done. Maybe I did well enough. I paid for a study group and studied my tail off! I pray we passed, but that test was not right! 50% of what I knew solid wasn't even on there.
All I know is that blocking the bathrooms for hours in a room full of five thousand cops is a stupid idea. We give fucking prisoners the right to use the restroom, but the city feels it's fine to let us stay trapped like animals under the thumb of some idiot "proctor" who won't let you piss or shit when you have to. Five thousand human beings and some of them at some point will have to use the restroom.
Who the hell wants to be a P.O. after 10 years?
After 20 years of service:
A Sergeant makes $ 99,756
A P.O. Blueshirt makes $83,706
So:
A Sergeant makes in basepay:
$ 16,050 more
Supervisors quarterly $ 5737
Sell back 200 hours
(of the 45 minutes a day Sgts make)
$ 9591
Add them up:
$ 31,378 MORE A YEAR
Also... no more touching scumbags and doing menial arrest reports.
NO MORE bullshit parkers, movers and contact cards.
And best
of all... no more damn court.
THE BEST day of my career was when I made sergeant.
Good luck to all who took the test!!
10/26/2013 08:07:00 PM
Good points but there's always bad with the good. You have to deal with CR #'s, officers doing stupid shit, officers that can't make any decisions for themselves, compstat meetings, acting as the DSS, dealing with complaining citizens calling for supervisors constantly, filling out that dumb log every night, not getting any time due, not being able to extend your furloughs, bosses yelling at you to get dog ass do nothings to write more bullshit activity, losing your seniority, getting stuck in a shit hole district that you can't get out of because you're the low man on the totem pole...etc. I'm sure there's a lot more crap that sergeant's deal with on a daily basis that I don't know about as I'm not a sergeant. The grass is always greener on the other side and I'm sure there's a good reason why sergeant's get paid more. It's no doubt better than being a patrolmen though due to the points you made above. I don't know about leaving a cushy spot, nice unit, or the D-Unit to do that shit though.
For the guys who did not study and don't know shit. Don't worry. I got a guy who got a guy who sez that " All of the past and future Merit picks will come from the rear of the list and not the front so you didn't do so bad after all."whoooooooohaaaaaaaaaaa!
Good luck! I heard they might do a class of sgt 75- 100 in Nov. or Dec. Can anyone verify this?
To give u an honest answer know one knows for certain. Saw some of the posts in response to yours that they would promote off the new list in Feb or March. That's hilarious. Unless they are done grading written portions of the 2nd part of test, there is no way in hell that can be the case. What we do know is Sgts are down 100 from budgeted manpower. That is per Sgts newsletter. A handful have prolly retired with free health care. They are prolly goin to make u off of current list because they need to be staffed in time for the summer. But this is the CPD. Good luck.
Weird test, oddly worded questions, unusual content not sure that test will give you the best overall candidates. Seems the test company picked out a few obscure passages from the thousands of pages of material. Transsexuals, earning overtime after 8hrs of court while on the medical, how often will a Patrol Sergeant deal with this type of stuff. Test was definitely harder than the first part usually is, maybe it will trim a lot of the fat. Oh and big thanks to Garry for showing up, asshole.
Light-bulb moment.
At the beginning of the test the head proctor stated.
A select few of LT's,Commanders, and Exempts receive copies of the test to review them for errors.
And everyone thinks these clouted merit hacks don't make a few note on the questions and pass them to their babies mamas and cousin?
I've watched people cheat on the ethic test.
But i love this job!
those future bosses are so weak minded they believe they are true leaders.
...in 003 on midnights with time denied.
exactly why I didn't take the test, have come to far to give up what I have, even for a substantial raise. no thanks, plus you are now part of the a-hole sgt'S club that nobody likes. most white shirts on this job are junk..no thanks. I WILL happily retire as a p.o.
to be sent to mid nights for the rest of my career, no thanks. i personally enjoy sleeping with my wife and seeing my kids before bedtime. For a few more bucks, to me its not worth it. That being said, i hope that the people who become future Sergeants look after our fellow officers, God knows that there are plenty of jag sergeants around and need to go.
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Wow even a 3rd grade could have phrased those questions better.
Bernstein sucked! What a waste of money!
Very vague and poorly worded exam. im sure the IN folks got the low down. Meanwhile all of us paid their buddy Berstein 900 clams for what a couple of items on a tests which had on the listed questions in comment 16yr old were there was a real answer. OH well 7 more years whens the dect test
10/27/2013 03:13:00 AM
A very poorly punctuated comment. Ever heard of a comma? A period? Try using one some time.
a sgt gets 45 min a day plus quarterly checks for free
sgt also now receives lt pay when assigned as district station supervisor
sgt and watch secretary always did 99 percent of watch commanders work
about time desk sgt receives the extra pay
How long Before OC spray dissipates is always a Sergeant priority!!! Stupid question!
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why wood u bring your pistol and handcuffs to a scantron test
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10/27/2013 12:58:00 AM
If you live in the murder capital of Chicago and leave your house without your pistol, you're softer than puppy shit
2:45 AM:
(1) Read MY BLOG.
"MERIT" = CLOUT. SEVENTY (70%) PERCENT of those promoted were "CLOUT BABIES"!
(2) SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Who's Rob?
The bad test-taker excuse. My favorite.
10/26/2013 11:57:00 PM
What the hell is a bad test taker? If you don't know the answers, of course u r bad at taking tests.
10/27/2013 01:27:00 AM
Reading comprehension problems. Other learning disabilities. Anxiety.
Interpenetration what people study for and how the questions are asked confuse people in stressful situation.
Some people may have nervous of steal when it comes to test time. When it comes to chasing a bad guy, shake in their boots when cutting corners (though few will admit).
Or the awesome test taker who yells in the radio when something hectic is going on. Annoying right?
People are different and react to situations differently. A lot of it is mental obviously.
Good luck to all who took the test..for all the younger ones taking their first promotional test remember these facts....30% of sgt promotions are merit. Some people with clout will have the answers or know what "buzz words" to put in the answers on 2nd part. Even if u think you ace the 2nd portion & find that you are 2500 on the list, you cannot contest your scores. You'll never get a chance to see your second part again. Memorize the best you can what the orders read. If you answer a question correctly,without certain verbiage, it may still be marked wrong... Civilians are the ones grading your test.
When are results in for 1st part of test?
Wow I thought the first part was going to be easy so people with clout are guaranteed to pass the first part. Boy was I wrong, I have been out of patrol too long that I couldn't answer some of the simple questions. I know I failed this test but I can only blame myself for not studying, fuck I'm not evening taser certified, how many feet is it safe to deploy a taser? WTF!
So who was the exempt and the po test candidate who went to bathroom together. I was one of the 5000 who missed that-i was near the back. Call em out. That way when this po is promoted. we all know why
Anonymous said...
What's the passing score?
10/27/2013 01:02:00 AM
$5k
I think I did well, however Bernstein was not worth it on my opinion. Could read GO's at home on my own. As for some of the answers, I asked knowledgeable bosses these questions and they couldn't even answer them. Bogus test, but if you read the orders you could score well enough to pass. But I agree, garbage proctors, freezing room, bathroom situation ridiculous, horribly worded questions that have zero to do with what we deal with on a regular basis. Just enough questions to trip you up. If this was supposed to be the easy part, I hate to see what's next....
Could it be that you are "TOO SMART" to get that promotion?
Consider the case of Robert Jordan and the New London (CT) P.D.
Click on THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST: NOT!
When will the City of Chicago warn you beforehand and save you the heartbreak?
What is the answer for the oc spray question, worded something like this, how long do you wait for the oc spray to wear off before you are required to calling for ems?
Do you want to tell your kids, " Daddy has no drive or career ambitions". How about studying and making the the rank for your child? Some people are all excuses and no pride.
Someone post a consensus answer sheet. I'm a moron and I'm looking for verification I blew the test.
TIA
Don't worry, the clouted ones are already made. Some of the brass who had copies of the test to check for inaccuracies held private study groups where the answers were given out along with the test questions. Rigged! Can't wait to sue after I blow the whistle!
I'm a bad test taker. I wasn't expecting long lines. Being stripped of my clothing. Waiting in air conditioned room in 30 degree weather. Sitting on kindergarten chairs. Proctors passing out materials slowly an hour after the test should have started. In middle of test one proctor interrupted me to ask if I needed to use the bathroom. Why. Announcer telling to put unseen numbers onto my Scranton. Who study group prepares u for this?
When I was new to this job I had the same attitude as you. I looked around and saw, what I believed were a bunch of lazy coppers, always bitch&@ and moaning about pretty much everything. I loved the job and worked hard, to the point of stupidity some might say. Salty cops told me to slow down, it's not worth it, you won't be rewarded and you will probably wind up getting sued.
Ha! I was the original author of that and you assume that I'm young with no time on. Not the case, I just hit 22 years. I still love this job and can't stand the lazy coward dogs who hide behind getting sued, tests or cr numbers. Don't be dirty and you won't have to worry about lawsuits and cr numbers. Getting them is gonna happen but like anything it too shall pass. I'm taking the test because I'm only 44 years old and still have young kids and have plenty of time left. Face it, it's laziness. Justify it all you want in your head but it's laziness end of story.
Anonymous said...
When are results in for 1st part of test?
10/27/2013 01:38:00 PM
if you have to ask a question like that you have no clout,dont worry about it.
Who is going to headquarters tomorrow to contest these question? I was so disappointed with this test and there bullshit answers. I just feel that there isn't any opportunities in this department for those who actually deserve a promotion.
The Real laffer the money you chumps paid for the brownass prep, & the test itself.
They nickel& dimed you,and in the end you still have a snowballs chance in hell of getting promoted.
Fuck bernstein study group
No one thought it was odd that our test booklets were already pre-assigned with our names? The questions may be the same, but how about the choice of answers?
10/27/2013 01:02:00 PM
"Reading comprehension problems. Other learning disabilities. Anxiety.
Interpenetration what people study for and how the questions are asked confuse people in stressful situation.
Some people may have nervous of steal when it comes to test time..."
Interpenetration? Nervous of steal?
We could just say some people speak English as a second language (hopefully). That is a respectable obstacle.
I took the Bernstein class and took all of his quizzes and tests and studied pretty hard. And I can say that the test was written poorly for a lot of the questions. I truly think they are going to be throwing out a few questions for sure. Bernstein said this company makes questions straight forward I guess he forgot to mention that they leave important elements of scenarios out. This was part one and it was all scenario questions which surprised a few who said part one in the past was a piece of cake well it wasn't a walk in the park. When I first got there and seen that long ass line it made me realize that all these coppers are here for a few reasons. Its a shame that they made you wait almost 7 years for a promo test. 5000 pos took the test should say to the department hey there are a lot of people who like this job enough to take this test maybe we should offer it a little sooner. Good luck to all who took the test. And I'm sure those panel of experts made sure the test was legit.
10/27/2013 07:43:00 AM
I agree. Some of the questions left out some details that would have helped to select a more appropriate answer. In reference to your other point, the last Sgt's exam in 2006 had approximately 5600 that took the second part. Imagine how many took the first part? So this is nothing new. I don't think the Dept doesn't offer test because they don't want to, it's because they have to balance the manpower etc across all ranks. We have just been short handed for a while so no new tests have been given. Now that the city is hiring more there is opportunity for advancement. Good luck to everyone.
Hey scc, are you fighting john northerns battles for him now not letting my response through?? C'mon scc, john is a big boy he can handle the argument and the truth. No reason to protect him from my comments. I guess u know he's a crybaby too huh. Truth must hurt when it comes from the mouth of a peer
Go to the meeting about the questions at HQ. you were given a notice of times to be there based on your last name. They give huh an hour to review the test questions. You can figure out how u did then.
Anyone else notice that there were at least 30 people or so that were done within 30 mins? I don't care how smart you are... There is no way you could have read and finished in that amount of time. Do we have an idea who the "chosen " one's are??
Did anyone see the bird flying around in the room? A bad omen!
To the unpublished, when you're entire response is simply cutting and pasting and some variation of "f#$% you crybaby," then it contributes nothing to the conversation and gets flushed. See Rule 6
12:08 AM (anonymous "clout baby")
This alleged "crybaby" welcomes your rebuttal to my 11:50 AM post via eMail: CPDfop7@yahoo.com
Your identity will remain confidential, "anonymous".
SCC: In the event we are dealing with an amadan, I thank you.
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CORRECTED link to my 4:53 PM post [Robert Jordan v. City of New London, et al.]:
THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST? NOT!
Rule 47
Associating or fraternizing with any person known to have been convicted of any felony or misdemeanor, either State or Federal, excluding traffic and municipal ordinance violations.
So I guess my partner wasn't supposed to be working with me for the last 13 years since I was convicted of battery in college.
Time to regroup and refocus. Somebody said it right" It's all about part 2 now". Stop crying and study for part 2! Post helpful suggestions for part2! WTF will that be about!
Oh, is there going to be 5 more dogs who were commanders secretarys and PO's handing out radios that decide they want to sue now just like the last test? All these do nothing dogs expecting stripes, but scared to go on the street. Hide behind the desk and sue the city. Try working the street.
I agree. Some of the questions left out some details that would have helped to select a more appropriate answer. In reference to your other point, the last Sgt's exam in 2006 had approximately 5600 that took the second part. Imagine how many took the first part? So this is nothing new. I don't think the Dept doesn't offer test because they don't want to, it's because they have to balance the manpower etc across all ranks. We have just been short handed for a while so no new tests have been given. Now that the city is hiring more there is opportunity for advancement. Good luck to everyone.
10/28/2013 12:04:00 AM
With logic like 'now that the city is hiring, there's more opportunity for advancement', I hope you never see a promotion.
How does hiring more have anything to do with not giving a test for, what, seven years?
When a couple thousand people retire and no promotions are made and no test is given, the Dept is shortchanging the supervisory ranks in two ways.
First, they play the 'do more with less' game and then hold a sgt responsible for more people and more things than they can possibly control.
Second, they keep scraping the bottom of the barrel on an old test list instead of getting the cream of the crop on a more recent test. (okay, we're talking 'in a perfect world' here.)
Also, if you give a test every two or three years, you have a better educated department, as a whole, because more people know more of the orders and other reading material, because they're 'always' studying for that next test coming up in eighteen or twenty months' time.
passing score will be determined on lowest score of future merit sarges that can't be bothered with part 2
Try being the police for once before you decide to sue the city for stripes. Hacks
Anyone else notice that there were at least 30 people or so that were done within 30 mins? I don't care how smart you are... There is no way you could have read and finished in that amount of time. Do we have an idea who the "chosen " one's are??
10/28/2013 01:15:00 AM
Yeah, they are probably the guys who either studied their behinds off and knew it front and back or they didn't study at all and didn't care and guessed on them all... Enough with the conspiracy theory
I study because even if I don't make it, I'll still learn more about the job I love.
To the unpublished Moron:
Have you even read the Constitution? Did you see the part about "Congress shall make no law...."?
We aren't Congress. We make all the rules we want here. Our Blog, Our Platform. You don't like it, create a blog of your own - it's FREE!!! And then you can make the rules. Just don't expect us to advertise it.
You cut and pasted a comment and basically just added "Fuck you" to it and called the poster out like some schoolyard fight. Sorry, waste of everyone's time, so we flushed it.
Try harder next time. We're sure you have logical arguments that don't involve profanity and taunts to dinosaurs long retired. At least, we hope you do.
Want to know if you passed part 1 refer to Ricci v. Destefano, Clarissa Rodriguez writes a good summary.
City will get results then has to meet 4/5ths (80%) standard with minorities passing.
I/O solutions did their part just like they did in mentioned case, it is up to city to determine cut-off score.
cut-off score is basically the lowest score of the top 80% of scorers of a minority group. Not average, but lowest score that would ensure 80% of a minority group passes.
To take part 2 you need to meet the cut off score. Cut off score is determined by 80% standard. if 10 minorities take the test and 7 score 100% and the last three score: 40%, 30% and 10% then the cut off score will be 40%. It doesn't mean that the minority group scored low, it is just the lowest score which would allow 80% of that minority group to pass.
I should be merit sarge , I pass out radios , laugh at xo's jokes , only leave an hour early cause I don't take no lunch
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