Koschman Ruling 13 November
- A Cook County judge said Friday he’ll rule next week whether to unseal a special prosecutor’s report in the David Koschman case.
Judge Michael P. Toomin scheduled a hearing Wednesday to rule on the motion by the Chicago Sun-Times and WMAQ-Channel 5 to make the report public.
Toomin had sealed the report at the request of Dan K. Webb, the special prosecutor he appointed last year to reinvestigate the 21-year-old Mount Prospect man’s 2004 death and also to determine whether police and prosecutors should be charged over their handling of the case.
And here's an odd bit of info:
- Lawyers for Daley’s nephew don’t want the report made public before Vanecko stands trial in February, saying that could prejudice potential jurors.
Adding its objections Friday was the Fraternal Order of Police, which said the report could harm the reputation of police officers.
Really? How? We mean....how, more than already? This entire event has exposed the sordid underbelly of the connected being covered up for their actions. Why shouldn't taxpayers and everyone else see exactly who was doing the jumping when Daley pulled the strings? Just our opinion here, but the FOP should stay out of the way here and let the chips fall where they may. The ones calling the shots weren't any people in blue shirts and probably weren't even D-2A people. They were D-3 and upwards.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
61 Comments:
Obviously, some friends of Shields are put into a bad light by this report and Mike doesn't want them to pay the price. If Mike sticks up for them now, maybe they'll help him get reelected or set him up w a spot if he gets axed.
Thank goodness the Honorable Judge Toomin isn't connected. As Daley himself would say,"Just cuz, I mean just 'cuz . . . . Anyway, Justass is bland . . . uh, blond, uh, bound? Dat's it, Justice is Bound! Ya know what I mean." We sure do, Mumbles.
some say "fuck the kid... he started it"... maybe, but had the kid knocked daley's asshole nephew out, he would have been charged, tried and convicted that night. Hopefully someone finally throws lil dick daley under the bus this time.
What happened in the Koschman investigation was controlled out of the 4th floor office of the Superintendent and those who him from the 10th District can confirm how devious and manipulative he can be!
Detectives have been standing in lineups as long as lineups have been conducted and I cannot ever recall any complaints about their cooperation until now,
Release the report and watch how Phat Phil spins same.
It seems clear that we have lost even a modicum of influence over the direction the FOP is taking. Between the child that we have elected to run it and the rubber-stamp band of simpering imps that round out its ranks, I feel embarrassed to be counted among its financial supporters. Besides a vote, what else can we do to this herd of political sheep. Once we all get shafted on retro (thereby displaying a financial harm), perhaps a class action against the President? (I realize we will be footing the bill for the defense, but perhaps we can bankrupt him.) He has either sold us out or is just plain incompetent. Either way, he is a liar.
A small drunk guy goes and messes with a larger guy and what happens? Got his ass knocked down.
Bravo, it's time for the truth to be told and let the mighty Daley family start to crumble for the years of corruption and theft from the tax payers of this city.
I want to know what happened.
I hope it's unsealed, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
King Daley is surely making moves to assure this will never be seen.
I agree, that the FOP, should sit this one out. The blue shirts, don't have a dog, in this fight.
Toomin is the goof judge who said words to the effect of ...
"there's a dead guy - someone always gets charged when there's a dead guy"
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well Judge - it has come to my attention that there are indeed deaths that occur where no one is charged - I can remember one specifically but I won't bore you with the details ..
add to that - when the concealed carry comes into full play there will be some dead robbers where no one will be charged - it's called 'justifiable homicide'
fucking dork judge
Amen! I recall a couple of Dicks wound up in Federal Court because of witnesses being held in interview rooms after a boss told them to put them there. That order was never put in the report. Document, document, document!!!
Yes, sergeants and up were doing what sergeants and up are paid to do, make the decisions. But, a detective did not have to go along with an order if it is clearly illegal or unethical. You cannot hide behind " it was an order" defense when that order flies in the face of policies, ethics and morality let alone the law. I, for one, would like to see this report made public right away. If it truly does cast a bad light on the department as it has been hinted, then I would only wish the people responsible face some retribution and the department make changes to keep this from every occurring again.
Oh yeah sure, 'gotta' keep everything under wraps.
That way a cloud of suspicion hangs over the entire Chicago Police Department for being corrupt instead of a few politically connected Clout Cops who dance(d) to the tune of the Democratic Machine (Who do you know and who sent ya?), and to that of Mayor 'I-Know-Nothing' King Richie II.
And what can be more useful during contract negotiations between a cop hating mayor Tiny Dancer & the police, and pandering to *The Community* by cop hating politicians, and those seekers of truth and justice -- the Community Activists -- than a 'dirty' Police Dept that covered up a murder?
Not to mention, which really makes better news; A story that maybe dies after a few names of the bad actors are released, but who can't be prosecuted now anyway due to various statutes of limitations, or one where some vast conspiracy by the entire Police Dept can be speculated on for decades to come by Chicago's crack journalists?
Please don't make me answer that.
I still am of the opinion that the wrong cousin is on trial--Patrick D is a ill tempered thug
as a p.o. I too would want the report made public. fuck daley and his guys who contribute to the asshole's family who ultimately fucked over the police.
he will not be there to defend you when you get sued or fired for "following orders".
People will be embarrassed.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
The blame will fall unfairly and completely on the detectives. They will take the fall for the whole mess, they always do.
If we don't get to see it, there is something big to hide. That is plain and simple.
Fat Phil micromanaged every high profile case during his tenure as Superintendent. Those that went along with the show were later rewarded with promotions or great retirement opportunities. The rest of us, who were left out of secret negotiations and told to go home, remained at our ranks and just continued working. Now it all comes back to haunt us. But will the real players pay the price? I doubt it.
You have no idea what you are talking about on this one, SCC. For a blog that seems to regularly preach that one can't believe everything one reads, you sure seem to have bought into the Sun Times conspiracy theory. There was no cover up. There wasn't enough to charge Vanecko and he is going to beat this case. Not because of some conspiracy but because it's a shitty case.
ssc as a working police officer all i care about are cops involved screw the kid screw daley nephew the kid started the fight and lost sure the nephew was a lot bigger but thats the way it goes in the hood had this happened on the westside it would been a case a report and on to more drama
stay safe n god bless the cpd
Sordid underbelly indeed. It's about time this typical Chicago corruption is exposed to the light of day.
In heater cases dicks have NO SAY WHATSOEVER period. People (dicks) are assigned cases. Get it.
Any dick who disagrees is a bald face liar.
The Koschman report found some wrongdoing involving those who were to investigate, but determined that the statute of limitations had run for a criminal prosecution. However, Department members can still be separated based on a rule 1 violation if the report determined that a law was broken. Rumor has it a certain "bad" Lt., incidentally one of Mcnitwit's favorites, will be wearing the shirt on this one. Karma is a bitch.
If they can keep that sealed some of the responsible bosses can retire with a pension....
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I bet both the tool bag Lt. Walsh"s are mentioned in the report. Both way over promoted thanks to Daddy.
If it were you or me it'd be public. Fuck these entitled jagoffs.
Oh and according to the stories out there. Koschman wasn't going towards one of the others, not Vanecko. Vanecko stepped in and blindsided the kid.
Yup, some one helped file this into the circular file. Whether or not anything would've happened to vanecko doesn't matter, what matters is some piece of shit who deserved nothing got something.
You knock someone down and he dies, it's involuntary manslaughter.
Was in court last week for a sentencing hearing in Bridgeview, listening to former crimes on defendant's record. Defendant hit a former classmate a decade ago (both were around 18 years old then), he hit his head on the sidewalk and was pulled off life support 5 days later. The defendant got boot camp. May have taken into consideation that the deceased had a blood alcohol of .193, making it more likely that he would easily lose his balance and fail to break the fall.
For his new felony (not related to homicide), this south suburban aggressor got 2.5 IDOC.
Release the truth and stop hiding shit !!!!!!!
You have no idea what you are talking about on this one, SCC. For a blog that seems to regularly preach that one can't believe everything one reads, you sure seem to have bought into the Sun Times conspiracy theory. There was no cover up. There wasn't enough to charge Vanecko and he is going to beat this case. Not because of some conspiracy but because it's a shitty case.
Explain again how any of this is why the FOP is putting in their two cents worth trying to keep the report under lock-and-key?
Reading comprehension wasn't one of your strong suits, was it? No one is denying it ended up being a shitty case, but how it got to that point is the question.
Why would the p.o.s even face any corrective actions? This isn't a d-1 decision. this goes a lot higher obviously. The p.o.s are just going to be the scapegoats and take the blame. Let's see how far they dig. I'd like to see how many people would tell bosses with clout and the mayor, "hey I'm not writing this report."
I wish people would stop dragging the nephew around in the mud. His uncle has so much love and passion for the city and its citizens of chicago. I'm sure that the nephew is just being a scapegoat.
Remember Vaneneko is one of the goofs in DV Investments or something on that order who lost the pension 85 Million dollars. I can't see any coppers fronting for the piece of shit.
Time to decertify the FOP.
That is the only way to clean that house.
SCC, you said: "No one is denying it ended up being a shitty case, but how it got to that point is the question."
Well my take is that it became a shitty case the night it happened when, after 2 o'clock in the morning and a night of intensive drinking, a drunk punched another drunk and all the drunken witnesses couldn't/wouldn't identify anyone. And after a waste of taxpayer's money a Special Prosecutor and his staff find a single witness who claims he remembers -- again, after a night of drinking -- and a rubber stamp Grand Jury indicts.
Fat Phil micromanaged every high profile case during his tenure as Superintendent. Those that went along with the show were later rewarded with promotions or great retirement opportunities. The rest of us, who were left out of secret negotiations and told to go home, remained at our ranks and just continued working. Now it all comes back to haunt us. But will the real players pay the price? I doubt it.
11/09/2013 10:07:00 AM
This is so true. Anyone in the D unit during Phil's tenure is well aware that Phil had his thumb on every heater case. He personally organized and set up meetings and invited who he wanted at those meetings. Phil called the shots and wanted everything emailed to him constantly. Quite frankly, it was a pain in the ass and insulting to the D unit in the way that some of Phil's direction was common sense. But heater cases that involved a cop or political or famous persons ~ those were definitely investigated by supervisors and detectives hand picked and known to be friends of Phil.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Remember Vaneneko is one of the goofs in DV Investments or something on that order who lost the pension 85 Million dollars. I can't see any coppers fronting for the piece of shit.
11/09/2013 05:37:00 PM
Nope. Wrong Vanecko. The brother was behind DV investments.
I hope those blaming the victim instead of Vanecko are not LEOs, otherwise this city is truly doomed.
Mike the cityworker
Why are we hiding the truth?
Tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may.
The people who don't want it told obviously are involved, or have friends involved in something unethical or criminal that happened.
The rest of you out there should never hope to be protected like this by you FOP or anyone else, because it will never happen.
They will throw you under the bus in 2 seconds.
Let the truth be known.
It's the right thing to do.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Time to decertify the FOP.
That is the only way to clean that house.
11/09/2013 07:34:00 PM
Yeah, that's the ticket,I'll take care of you.
Rahm
Well my take is that it became a shitty case the night it happened when, after 2 o'clock in the morning and a night of intensive drinking, a drunk punched another drunk and all the drunken witnesses couldn't/wouldn't identify anyone. And after a waste of taxpayer's money a Special Prosecutor and his staff find a single witness who claims he remembers -- again, after a night of drinking -- and a rubber stamp Grand Jury indicts.
11/09/2013 07:56:00 PM
If you think politics didn't play into this you haven't been in Chicago very long. He was the Mayor's nephew. He walked away from a dead man. You should be upset, not compliant. We should all be upset.
These people are not royalty. They are supposed to be public servants. We are not serfs. Vote every sitting politician out. Take out this trash.
Anonymous said...
SCC, you said: "No one is denying it ended up being a shitty case, but how it got to that point is the question."
Well my take is that it became a shitty case the night it happened when, after 2 o'clock in the morning and a night of intensive drinking, a drunk punched another drunk and all the drunken witnesses couldn't/wouldn't identify anyone. And after a waste of taxpayer's money a Special Prosecutor and his staff find a single witness who claims he remembers -- again, after a night of drinking -- and a rubber stamp Grand Jury indicts.
11/09/2013 07:56:00 PM
How do you explain the missing files from area 3? An accident? Why didn't the detectives complete a thorough investigation? There are so many holes in the process. The Chicago way.
"A small drunk guy goes and messes with a larger guy and what happens? Got his ass knocked down."
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Good. I'm glad to see you don't dispute the facts.
Now make the larger guy stand trial. If that's some kind of defense, he'll have no problem getting acquitted.
Bullshit all around...
There was too much behind the scenes fucking around for this case to be taken at face value.
We still belive that the "wrong" member of the Daley clan is being stood on the scaffold... Oh well, as long as a member of the Daley clan IS standing on the scaffold, everyone under normal circumstances would be glad to say "fuck him, let him dangle" for what the Daleys have done to this city.
Any and all will be sacrificed to protect the heir...
Peel the insulation away until he's exposed and alone with no one to protect him.
You have no idea what you are talking about on this one, SCC. For a blog that seems to regularly preach that one can't believe everything one reads, you sure seem to have bought into the Sun Times conspiracy theory. There was no cover up. There wasn't enough to charge Vanecko and he is going to beat this case. Not because of some conspiracy but because it's a shitty case.
Yeah ...Keep saying that Dennis ..... Hopefully you'll be saying it to the Judge soon.
nephew of the mayor of melrose park ronnie serpico arrested for salen delivery of psc alot more arrests are coming involved melrose park police kids,
To everyone saying that this case was swept under the rug or covered up by high ranking police personnel and/or political pressure, you are simply wrong.There is not a Detective on the CPD that would actually want to catch this case. For all you conspiracy theorists, take a breath and think logically. Not one person positively identified Vanecko as the person who punched the victim in line ups. Let me repeat that. Not one person identified Vanecko in line ups. Not the victims friends or the uninvolved parties who saw the altercation. One of the uninvolved even identified Kochman as the aggressor who charged at the Venacko group. Employees and patrons at a bar Kohman was patronizing said he was loud and appeared intoxicated. Vanecko did not give a confession. The state rejected charges and they should have. Just because you know of a case where a guy was convicted of manslaughter for punching someone, doesn't mean this case also qualifies. I know cops fired for stealing or brutality. So does that mean every cop accused of the same thing is guilty as well? Each case has its own set of facts. The facts in this case did not justify charges. If a police officer was charged with committing manslaughter for punching someone off duty and nobody identified him, and others pointed to the victim as the aggressor, would that be fair? A lot of coppers are letting their hatred for Daley cloud their judgement on this one.
"Not one person positively identified Vanecko as the person who punched the victim in line ups. Let me repeat that. Not one person identified Vanecko in line ups. Not the victims friends or the uninvolved parties who saw the altercation. One of the uninvolved even identified Kochman as the aggressor who charged at the Venacko group. Employees and patrons at a bar Kohman was patronizing said he was loud and appeared intoxicated. Vanecko did not give a confession."
These are the facts and are not in dispute, not by the special prosecutor nor by those very witnesses. The only evidence is the single witness discovered by the Special Prosecutor who himself was out on the town after 2 a.m. and probably drinking as well. Would you want anyone convicted on this evidence? Would YOU want to be convicted on the testimony of a single witness when many others, much closer to the center of the action, can't or won't say what happened?
"If you think politics didn't play into this you haven't been in Chicago very long. He was the Mayor's nephew. He walked away from a dead man. You should be upset, not compliant. We should all be upset. "
I am upset. I'm upset the witnesses were too drunk to help, I'm upset Vancecko's friends wouldn't talk, I'm upset Vanecko wouldn't talk, I'm upset I've see dozens and dozens of cases like this and the State's Attorney refuses charges, I'm upset they constantly use excuses like 'mutual combatants' or 'gang-bangers make poor witnesses'. I'm upset you won't accept the fact that despite the facts good police officers/detectives have their reputations ruined by supposition and innuendo because the witnesses would/could not help.
I'm upset people are screaming and praying for coppers heads to sacrifice because they hate the Daley clan so much.
Yeah, I'm upset.
Stop with the crap that there was no conspiracy and that there just wasn't enough to charge. The truth is this case was handled like shit from the very beginning - by design or by stupidity by design?
The kid was in critical condition in the hospital and the midnight shift detectives first assigned go on furlough and no other detective follows up with the hospital every single day to keep tabs on the kids status? That lack of follow up alone stinks to high heaven. For Christ sake, even the detective division cmdrs office kept logs of hospitalized victims and called the hospital periodically to keep aware of the status - in case the person died! So fk you area 3 with your defense, because this case was not investigated properly from the night this incident happened. Again, was it done on purpose or was the entire area 3 that incompetent from the cmdr on down?
And now lets skip the whole middle part and jump to the end - years later the massive file folder on a huge heater case disappears and suddenly reappears behind a file cabinet??? Get the fk out of here. No one is buying it. Very lame and un creative excuse.
"To everyone saying that this case was swept under the rug or covered up by high ranking police personnel and/or political pressure, you are simply wrong.There is not a Detective on the CPD that would actually want to catch this case. For all you conspiracy theorists, take a breath and think logically."
11/10/2013 02:51:00 PM
You are a naive person and I don't think you are a detective. Nobody "Catches" a case like this. You "Catch" an everyday burglary, CSA or a west or southside homicide case. The "Koschman cases" are handled by handpicked detectives.
Plain as day. Wake up.
"ssc as a working police officer all i care about are cops involved screw the kid screw daley nephew the kid started the fight and lost sure the nephew was a lot bigger but thats the way it goes in the hood had this happened on the westside it would been a case a report and on to more drama"
WRONG -- plenty of hood rats are in prison and awaiting trial for similar situations. the only difference is that these rats didn't have a mayor uncle or a cadre of expensive lawyers to go over your "perfect" case report.
Go to court someday, you will see.
At least from the media reports, the P.O.s who responded should be commended. they chased down one of vanecko's friends (presumably after vanecko was driven away by cpd bodyguards (accessories??)) and actually found out the identities of the offenders.
P.O.s will not face any blame. once they do the GOCR, it's on to the next call. the blame will be somewhere between detective and superintendent.
If Vanecko was acting in self-defense, and did nothing wrong against the aggressor half his size, why did he run away??? Why didn't he stay on the scene and tell the police what happened when he saw the unconscious "aggressor" lying on the street after he hit him?? You know why: he ran just like any ghetto POS ran when they commit a crime.
Some have questioned the exorbitant taxpayer costs put into this one. Why not blame the Daleys and Vanecko himself. If Vanecko believed he did nothing wrong, he should have stayed put and none of the special prosecutor costs would have occurred. But that's not a Daley trait.
It's ironic how the former mayor of this city has railed against the "no snitching" mantra in the ghetto, claiming more people need to stand up to put criminals away.
Yet Vanecko's friends won't "snitch" on Vanecko. Shouldn't they tell the truth?? After all there's a dead kid and a mother who lost her son.
Let them tell the truth. Then let the jury decide.
I will accept the jury's decision.
im not here to defend daley nephew but as a working cop i dont want to see any police detectives get jammed up over this bs. if it had happened on bt1133 it would a case report and on to more drama in ghetto , the kid was a drunken idiot and started the fight and got his ass beat. mommy is only seeing $$ signs and thinks shr hit the ghetto lottery
not a fat phil but dont want to see him jammed up either
true blue n stay safe
It is very clear that the majority of cops on this thread have no clue what goes on in the D unit.
Newspapers can survive, even thrive, on supposition.
Police detectives operate on proof.
Anonymous said...
It's ironic how the former mayor of this city has railed against the "no snitching" mantra in the ghetto, claiming more people need to stand up to put criminals away.
Yet Vanecko's friends won't "snitch" on Vanecko. Shouldn't they tell the truth?? After all there's a dead kid and a mother who lost her son.
Let them tell the truth. Then let the jury decide.
I will accept the jury's decision.
11/11/2013 10:38:00 AM
The no snitching rule applies to everyone except those living in the 'hood. If you don't live in the ghetto and snitch you're a rat,but in the 'hood we expect you to step forward immediately and tell the police what happened. Double standard as usual.
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