"Voluntary" Changes on Hold
In case anyone was wondering, Bureau of Patrol Order #13-0278 now has a .01 attached to it stating that:
- The previous directive outlining the Day Off Group change for the Bureau of Patrol Squad Schedule Pilot Program has been rescinded.
It is addressed to the Deputy Chiefs of Areas Central and North along with the Commanders of 003, 012 and 024. Someone must have smelled the coffee and realized what a clusterfuck they were walking into.
Did you know that the FOP hasn't been invited to one single meeting about this entire Pilot Program? It's true, not a single meeting. You'd think that the Department brass and political structure would want a willing partner in all of the change and alterations of "doing more with less" and working with the rank-and-file, wouldn't you?
But then you wake up and realize this is Chicago and working to make things move smoothly isn't really in the vocabulary here.
Did you know that the FOP hasn't been invited to one single meeting about this entire Pilot Program? It's true, not a single meeting. You'd think that the Department brass and political structure would want a willing partner in all of the change and alterations of "doing more with less" and working with the rank-and-file, wouldn't you?
But then you wake up and realize this is Chicago and working to make things move smoothly isn't really in the vocabulary here.
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posted by SCC at 5:31 AM
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SCC,
The way I take it according to the website is that this is just being postponed until January. It's still a go. It was rescinded in the sense that day off groups will not be changed this Sunday nov 10th because of the severe short notice and with the holidays right around the corner.
The pilot program is still going to happen after the new year. I believe they want thIs city wide. Why the big fucking rush with this out of the blue? That's what should concern officers. And people better pay attention to this because your district could be next.
I think this is a stepping stone for the city for something else. 12 hour days? Eliminate a whole watch. PRESTO! We are fully staffed. Gone are the days of 13,500 staffed over 3 watches. It doesn't look good for the city with all these homicides and crime and not hiring up to par. But this way it would. 8,500 will be the new norm. And if you wear a tin foil hat as some non believers say, it's awfully interesting VRI boxes could of been a sneaky precursor to this program. They want to eliminate beats. Depending on who you ask, has VRI reduced crime? All they care about is, did numbers go down. That's it, they don't care about the waste, taxpayers dollars to keep these animals contained.
Jmo
Vote out every elected person at FOP!!
Better yet, decertify FOP.
They are working for themselves.
FOP not at the meetings?? Who cares because Mikey and the rest of the idiots would fuck it up anyway.
I love being retired from what has become one fucked up police department.
Circus clowns are running this dept. and it's not funny.
When you are at the mercy of the City and Dept in the midst of substantial change AND contract talks, you are screwed. The most frustrating thing is the lack of fight in the officers and their willingness to just take it. How we react NOW will effect us for the next 6-7 yrs. Wake Up People!
Merit interviews done. New sergeants to be announced.
always trying to pull a fast one over patrol...things never change, fucked up superintendent, fucked up brass that dont know shit...oh well keep promoting dumb fucks that dont deserve it!!!
OT: "Chicago's Top Cop To Undergo Back Surgery"
Only because I have to carry all your lazy asses!
Da Boss
Gerry shame! Dan shame! Gerry Ick!
looks like a scandal is brewing in 014 district. some heavy allegations
I saw someone comment in an earlier thread that this is the beginning of 12 hour days. I just want to go on the record that I would love 12 hour days. Would they be long? Yes. Would I love the extra 50+ days off a year with my family and friends? You bet.
OT...state legislature passed pension reform for Chicago park district...may be used as a road map for other pension reform...contribution raised, age raised etc...see article in Crains
Another order changed within days o being issued,,,,I've never seen anything like this administration.
That said---team policing has been tried here several times and failed each time. The same in NYC and other big cities--IT DOESN'T WORK.
Like other ideas that look great on paper, it doesn't work in in actual application.
Off topic, but kudos to the quick wit in the other thread who posted "the bases are loaded and so is the coach" The poster also owes me a new laptop becuase I shorted it out when I spit out my morning Mountain Dew.
Is it just me or has there been an uptick in rescinded orders?
You get 4 or 5 coppers together for ten minutes and they can come up with a hundred things wrong with this disaster, yet you have all the "leadership" putting their empty heads together for months about it and you get "Yeah, shounds like a good idea to me!"
THE SEIU IS REFUSING TO FILE A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL PENSION THEFT THAT IS NOW SITTING ON QUINN'S DESK FOR SIGNATURE!!!
The SEIU is laying down and not willing to file suit against this unconstitutional attack on public employee pensions.
In the event the negative publicity against them reaches a fever pitch, they may acquiesce and file a losing suit based on inconsequential case law in order that they will lose the suit in court anyway.
This legislation was passed in the dead of night, without any publicity at all and went right past the pension committee who's job it was to come up with a viable pension fix.
THIS WAS DONE BY MIKE MADIGAN...... REMEMBER THAT COME NOVEMBER.
More Obamacare bad news
Jonathan Benson
Natural News
November 8, 2013
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Henny Penny tried this in 011 after trying it in 007. It was a disgusting failure and waist of time.
Must be a game they play downtown - issue an order, throw the Dept into upheaval, rescind the order, think of a new chaotic order that would affect hundreds of people, issue the order, then rescind the order....
So very professional. Laughingstock of the nation.
That's BS the city was working with the FOP to hammer out the details of the pilot programs ! The FOP stated in a letter to the city that they will not help the city or the officers to hammer out issues such as upcoming holidays and VRI! So keep dreaming and complain all about the city .. What about the FOP
It's not in Rahm's union busting ways to keep unions informed on how he's planning on screwing their membership.
More with less, eh? Okay then, more goose eggs with less effort. What? You're going to play games with my time due? No worries. Flu season is upon us.
p.s. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Keep it up.
The department's modern day Hawthorne study.
ot;
Companies can’t lose, but can Illinois taxpayers ever win with incentives?
http://watchdog.org/114993/illinois-tax-breaks/
so there ya go. illinois is now bribing corporations to create jobs.
ten corporations are lined up with bills submitted to the illinois legislature demanding tax breaks.
illinois politicians will pick the winners and losers, not the so-called free market. the illinois taxpayers recent 66 percent state income tax increase will in effect be used to offset the money given to these corporations -- with a portion of that money used to create the appearance of job growth - jobs that the companies neither need or want but will use as a tool to skim a little off the top for exec. bonuses no doubt.
in fact 30 million dollars is going to adm corp just to move a lousy 200 jobs to chicago. that's a move, not an increase, not putting unemployed to work, just a move.
how many years will it take for those 200 employees to generate 30 million in income tax revenue to offset the taxpayers expense to make it profitable to the state we wonder.
[use the lower capital gains tax rates and consider the exec. tax shelters in your calculations]
but hey, the politicians will be able to declare victory as 200 jobs are added to the chicago labor reports presenting an illusion that chicago is growing jobs.
follow the money. feel any better that our tax money instead of going direct to jobless people in poverty is now filtered thru a corporation that has given them a temporary job to meet the min. qualifications to receive a tax break. we're paying for it either way.
i ask you how many 20k a year do-nothing jobs could you create with 30 million dollars and for how many years. you should consider that you want the jobs to only last long enough to print lower unemployment numbers until after the next election and then you can put the people back on the streets.
gonna have to keep that 66 percent state income tax increase permanent to pay for all this. it was suppose to expire shortly. the transfer of money from the middle class to the elites. transfer of money from public pensions as we skip pension payments and hand out corporate tax breaks instead.
Can I get a refill? My Kool-aid cup is empty.
Can I get a refill? My Kool-aid cup is empty.
Shit or get off the pot!!!
Merit interviews done. New sergeants to be announced.
11/08/2013 07:46:00 AM
Nice try.
12hr days are coming, get used to you vlout babies with your desk jobs and clout having units. it will be three on three off
However, it is easier to scam overtime because all layers of management are incompetent.
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I love being retired from what has become one fucked up police department.
Not yet. Two guys on my north side tact team have interviews next week.
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Merit interviews done. New sergeants to be announced.
Anonymous said...
I love being retired from what has become one fucked up police department.
11/08/2013 07:12:00 AM
That makes two of us.
Is there any order that comes out that is not rescinded? Does anyone know what they are doing?
There was a time on this job, when we had experienced bosses and orders came out and were never rescinded.!
How embarrassing.
It appears no one knows what they are doing. Ridiculous
(OT) driving with my cousin today we notice a dark blue explorer police spec, he said it looks cool so we get behind it as he is a car guy and likes to check out new cars, he noticed the MP plate with a tinted plate cover, he went ballistic seeing is how last week he was stopped on west end of 008 and given a ticket for it from a copper (no names or badge number here) so MP 9346 police plate what gives?
Anonymous said...
I saw someone comment in an earlier thread that this is the beginning of 12 hour days. I just want to go on the record that I would love 12 hour days. Would they be long? Yes. Would I love the extra 50+ days off a year with my family and friends? You bet.
11/08/2013 08:36:00 AM
A 12 hour day would not be good for us. We need all three shifts so we have adequate number of officers paying into the pension fund. Otherwise with a 12 hour day, the city can basically cut 33% of the allocated manpower. That is one third less officers paying into our pension fund.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the city try that though. They will claim we have a manpower crisis and they don't have the money to hire more officers and having us go on 12 hour days is the only way to solve this latest crisis. You have to love how every crisis is manufactured and benefits only one side. It is up to us though to fight it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Vote out every elected person at FOP!!
Better yet, decertify FOP.
They are working for themselves.
11/08/2013 06:36:00 AM
Excellent idea. Don't need no stinking contract, no stinking redress of grievances, the bosses will take care of us.
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Rahm
Depending on who you ask, has VRI reduced crime? All they care about is, did numbers go down. That's it, they don't care about the waste, taxpayers dollars to keep these animals contained.
Jmo
11/08/2013 06:34:00 AM
If CPD switches to the VRI model city-wide with 12-hour shifts, who will the paper jobs be duped to?
Anonymous said...
12hr days are coming, get used to you vlout babies with your desk jobs and clout having units. it will be three on three off
11/08/2013 03:12:00 PM
Never going to happen! Would love to work 6am to 6pm since I have the time but they city will never do it. It would benefit the officers to much so Rham will never do it.
This Police Department and City really sucks because it just loves to fuck over their Police Officers!
Da Pelon
I just ran into a LAPD officer visiting Chicago who is a friend of mine from the Marine Corp. He basically said in a nice way that we are the clowns in the police world. He said our uniforms and our fitness looks like shit. What the hell happened to us?
Anonymous said...
12hr days are coming, get used to you vlout babies with your desk jobs and clout having units. it will be three on three off
11/08/2013 03:12:00 PM
True next contract take it to the bank the study is complete will save city millions. For the working street copper will be a loooong day cutting into part time and other jobs and family events even more. They don't care about your welfare!
Infighting at FOP at an all time high?? Just saw an order where Dougherty is being moved from 541 back to 022, allegedly from a request from Mikey himself!
A 12 hour work day would be my wish come true. What is most important is not how many hours you work per day but how many days off you get a year. If I am scheduled to work 8, 8.5, 10 or 12 hours, my day is shot. I do not plan anything socially on duty days. The Department is going to get the equivalent of 2080 hours/year (52 weeks times 40 hours per week) no matter how many hours you work a day. We need to maximize days off. Every extra day you are off is one less day to commute, buy lunch, get killed or injured, get a cr number or to get stressed out. My sanity returns to me on my days off. Don't believe me? Do your own research. Every police department in this country that has instituted 12 hour days has shown a 75%+ approval rating among its officers. If you asked members of those departments if they were willing to go back to 8 hour days you will here a resounding "NO". Ask a CFD member if he or she would be willing to go back to an 8 hour day? What do you think their answer would be??? I remember the resistance when we went to the 4 and 2. The idiots crying about losing their 3 day weekends. Ask these same idiots if they are willing to go back to the 6 and 2 schedule now. Look, we need to get past our natural inclination to be suspicious of schedule changes. Believe it or not the Department actually wants it's employees to be happy and productive.
This one is all on Superintendent and no one else. The other top brass has no balls.
im a circus clown and I take offense to all the clown and circus slurs flying around this post.
The CPD has some serious private industry envy going on. Can only do more with less when it doesn't jeopardize officer safety!
12 hr days will mean 2 watches, awful hours and terrible furloughs. If you think this will mean more time with your family you are an idiot, you become a vegetable and sleep interferes with family time. You become grumpy with your family and sloppy at work. It's dangerous and Unions fought for yrs for an 8 hr day. Don't be so naive.
World News Reports
With the soon to be released IPO of Chicago Police Department Corporation, World News sat down with its founder an CEO, Gary McCarthy and he had some interesting things to say about this emerging market and the soon to be launched product "Police Officer".
When we sat down with Mr. McCarthy or what he likes to call himself, the "Bronx Bull Dog", he stated it was actually in a drunken stupor that he came up with the idea of a "Police Department" with "Police Officers". He went on to say that not since pilgrims came to America and started racism 393 years ago, nothing has ever been tried. Mr. McCarthy stated he spent many days developing his strategies and procedures in his garage, stating it "was very similar to how apple computer first started". He went on to say that "since this Police'ing idea is so new, it's going to have it's ups and downs, but when I compared my calculations with other random numbers, my numbers are sometimes higher numbers and sometimes lower numbers, we still haven't figured out what all that means yet." World News was informed they would have to wait several months after the article was publish for the numbers to be available for review. The Bronx Bulldog went on to say that they have recently hired, his cousins father, a retired janitor to do accounting and his wife's sister in-law a full time mother for human recourses. When world news asked if he felt a retired janitor and a full time mother had been the best picks to run a soon to be billion dollar corporation he stated "This whole police'ing thing was invented by me 10 months ago in my garage while I was sh**faced drunk, who's to say these relatives of mine that I hired can't manage my corporation and its employees.
Nice try what? He or she is right about Sgt class. Supposedly class of 75-100.
Anyone who thinks working a 12 hr day is a good idea, has the same short sited mentality that said not making the city responsible for its pension responsibility isn't a big thing.
That's just Great! I have to wait to get promoted because 2 merit dummies can't pass a test.
Who's doing all the paper jobs with all this team policing crap going on? How is this concept supposed to work?
Anonymous said...
12 hr days will mean 2 watches, awful hours and terrible furloughs. If you think this will mean more time with your family you are an idiot, you become a vegetable and sleep interferes with family time. You become grumpy with your family and sloppy at work. It's dangerous and Unions fought for yrs for an 8 hr day. Don't be so naive.
11/08/2013 07:57:00 PM
Speak for yourself, Mr. miserable and grumpy. Explain to me why we will have terrible furloughs? Where the hell do you come up with that? It's still senoriety based. My family would love me working 12 hour days. It would mean I will be off a lot more days in a row and we can do a lot more family trips/getaways. If you are grumpy person then you will always be a grumpy person. Everyone loved the 10 hour day so 12 would mean even more time off. Everyone I talk to in the burbs on the 12 hour day loves it for the time off.
Anonymous said...
I love being retired from what has become one fucked up police department.
11/08/2013 07:12:00 AM
That makes two of us.
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A lot more than two!
Anonymous said...
Infighting at FOP at an all time high?? Just saw an order where Dougherty is being moved from 541 back to 022, allegedly from a request from Mikey himself!
11/08/2013 07:10:00 PM
Doherty packed up and was thrown out now back down to his regular salary lost 65,000 pay cut, lost expense account, lost making own hours!
Who is the explosive dog guy bragging about bill Doherty being thrown out of fop so he can run, along with a unit rep?
Ijust ran into a LAPD officer visiting Chicago who is a friend of mine from the Marine Corp. He basically said in a nice way that we are the clowns in the police world. He said our uniforms and our fitness looks like shit. What the hell happened to us?
You and your friend can both go fuck yourselves.
I just ran into a LAPD officer visiting Chicago who is a friend of mine from the Marine Corp. He basically said in a nice way that we are the clowns in the police world. He said our uniforms and our fitness looks like shit. What the hell happened to us?
11/08/2013 06:31:00 PM
We started hanging around with jagoff LA coppers.
Anonymous said...
I just ran into a LAPD officer visiting Chicago who is a friend of mine from the Marine Corp. He basically said in a nice way that we are the clowns in the police world. He said our uniforms and our fitness looks like shit. What the hell happened to us?
11/08/2013 06:31:00 PM
The decline started with the politicization of the Police Department by Richard M Daley. Clout was everything as Daley took control over the CPD. The elimination of the civil service rank of captain moved it along.
Then year after year of bonehead decisions by knucklehead bosses who did not know what they were doing. Basically civilians running things. No military experience.
Maria Maher as Chief of Detectives? Remember that fiasco?
Then two consecutive outsiders running the show, like we don't have the talent to raise one of our own to Superintendent. And not just outsiders but no talent despised outsiders.
What we need now is for about 30 or 40 people with command experience in the Marines or Army combat time to take command positions here and bring this thing into line again.
Like Patton when he first went to Africa and took command over a rag tag army of fuck ups. He got them into line. Soon they were looking good, discipline and good orderly direction were re-established. Bad bosses were shitcanned immediately and new bosses were installed, all with the same marching orders, get the group of misfits marching to the same tune.
And we need a supt. and mayor to tell the revrunds to fuck off, they don't run the police and they don't get the private phone numbers to the commander's office. They don't get to spring their friends and relatives any more.
I know, all wishes, and then I woke up and looked around. Ain't going to happen here.
Hey tell the LAPD to go FUCK HIMSELF in a nice way...thank you
Guess Shields must have been shitting in his pants if he felt he had to throw Dougherty out in order to get reelected. This jagoff will stop at nothing. When are all you Shields supporters finally going to realize he doesn't give a fuck about you or the organization. He only cares about himself.
I'm sure Mikey will claim it's all about the letter. Guess he subscribes to the guilty until you prove yourself innocent concept. What copper reading this hasn't been accused of some bullshit one on one thing that can never be proven or disproven?
please do your research...if we don't get the "pittman" 12 hour work schedule were screwed..it won't matter though cuz 12 hours in 012 is a lot different then 12 hours in 007.
" Believe it or not the Department actually wants it's employees to be happy and productive."
Got to call Bullshit on that one, They eliminated the 10 hour days in the Pilot Districts& are doing their best of getting rid of it in the 2 remaining units still on the 10hr.
"I just ran into a LAPD officer visiting Chicago who is a friend of mine from the Marine Corp. He basically said in a nice way that we are the clowns in the police world. He said our uniforms and our fitness looks like shit. What the hell happened to us?
11/08/2013 06:31:00 PM
He's 100% spot on. What the hell happened?
Where would you like to start?
Who would the city call at FOP. They are a bunch of imbeciles. How would they know what is good for us. Mike thinks we don't need a pay raise and Bill thinks if he helps us we must endorse him for president. Cant blame the city here.
"...12hr days are coming,..."
With many people working VRI until 0230 then reporting for duty at 0530 or 0700----the dept can claim 12 hour days are do-able and "safe enough"
"Anonymous said...
I just ran into a LAPD officer visiting Chicago who is a friend of mine from the Marine Corp. He basically said in a nice way that we are the clowns in the police world. He said our uniforms and our fitness looks like shit. What the hell happened to us?
11/08/2013 06:31:00 PM
Of course he did, of course. Everyone I know runs out and volunteers that type of slap in the face to fellow officers. LA pays little attention to us.
I ran into a guy I know from San Francisco P.D. who was visiting Chicago that I knew from the MMA circuit and he said in an indirect way that we are the premiere law enforcement agency that other agencies try to emulate.
See how easy that was.
Doesn't make it true.
Nice try what? He or she is right about Sgt class. Supposedly class of 75-100.
11/08/2013 08:23:00 PM
There will be a class. Merit interviews are NOT finished. The date of the class remains a mystery.
Anonymous said...
I just ran into a LAPD officer visiting Chicago who is a friend of mine from the Marine Corp. He basically said in a nice way that we are the clowns in the police world. He said our uniforms and our fitness looks like shit. What the hell happened to us?
11/08/2013 06:31:00 PM
LAPD certainly is a department that can throw stones. Does "Ramparts" & "Rodney King" ring a bell? I was a Marine as well and some of the most screwed up guys ... became LA police officers. We may have problems here but putting it in perspective? I wouldn't want the "LAPD" mentality here in Chicago.
12hr day? Why stop there? How about 15, 18, 24? Sure LAPD loves it, they all commute about two hours each way to work. 12-16hr days used to be the norm in this country over 100yrs ago and alot of workers fought to have it reduced. Now we should voluntarily give that up? Ten hr days I'd be willing to give a try, 12 sounds like it would contribute to an earlier grave.
Speak for yourself, Mr. miserable and grumpy. Explain to me why we will have terrible furloughs? Where the hell do you come up with that? It's still senoriety based.
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You really think we're gonna get 25 12 hour days off work in a new contract that has 12 hour days?
Emanuelfucker counts your vacation in hours wasted in his opinion, and increasing the number of "hours" you're on furlough is gonna be a point he'll try and fuck us out of during a contract.
A 12 hour work day would be my wish come true. What is most important is not how many hours you work per day but how many days off you get a year. If I am scheduled to work 8, 8.5, 10 or 12 hours, my day is shot. I do not plan anything socially on duty days. The Department is going to get the equivalent of 2080 hours/year (52 weeks times 40 hours per week) no matter how many hours you work a day. We need to maximize days off. Every extra day you are off is one less day to commute, buy lunch, get killed or injured, get a cr number or to get stressed out. My sanity returns to me on my days off.
Yeah, some sanity. So you can run off and work some more VRI on all those extra days. 12-hr days is a nightmare. I used to work them at another dept before I came on here. 12-hr tour of duty, 2 hours prep and travel time was the norm. And if I worked the night tour (1800-0600) and had court I could be at work 20 hrs in a day. I needed the extra days off just to catch up on sleep. I got no time with the family. Extended tours help the dept and the budget but physically and emotionally are brutal to those who work them. Maybe in some Mayberry town they would be ok, but not here.
A 12 hour work day would be my wish come true. What is most important is not how many hours you work per day but how many days off you get a year. If I am scheduled to work 8, 8.5, 10 or 12 hours, my day is shot. I do not plan anything socially on duty days. The Department is going to get the equivalent of 2080 hours/year (52 weeks times 40 hours per week) no matter how many hours you work a day. We need to maximize days off. Every extra day you are off is one less day to commute, buy lunch, get killed or injured, get a cr number or to get stressed out. My sanity returns to me on my days off. Don't believe me? Do your own research. Every police department in this country that has instituted 12 hour days has shown a 75%+ approval rating among its officers. If you asked members of those departments if they were willing to go back to 8 hour days you will here a resounding "NO". Ask a CFD member if he or she would be willing to go back to an 8 hour day? What do you think their answer would be??? I remember the resistance when we went to the 4 and 2. The idiots crying about losing their 3 day weekends. Ask these same idiots if they are willing to go back to the 6 and 2 schedule now. Look, we need to get past our natural inclination to be suspicious of schedule changes. Believe it or not the Department actually wants it's employees to be happy and productive.
11/08/2013 07:23:00 PM
Lay off the kool aid kid it's turning to mush. If the 10 hours were so great why did the department take them away? Because it takes more manpower to implement when someone is off 3 or 4 days a week. I worked the 10 hour days in the ghetto and let me tell you. Fuck that noise. 10 hours of shitbird domestics , gangbangers shitty bosses, partners that drove me crazy. So no 12 hour days.
To "11/08/2013 07:23:00 PM", go fuck yourself, you City Hall lurker. 12 hour days benefits the city only. Asshole.
Anonymous said...
I just ran into a LAPD officer visiting Chicago who is a friend of mine from the Marine Corp. He basically said in a nice way that we are the clowns in the police world. He said our uniforms and our fitness looks like shit. What the hell happened to us?
11/08/2013 06:31:00 PM
People like you started working here.
Forget 12 Hour days, would do 10 hours in the drop of a hat.... 4 and 2 was and is not our friend.... Was designed to drain comp time, oh but wait we can't get off now anyways......Bring in the 10 hours, 60+ less days a year
12 hour days would be welcomed by me as long as the department wants to use the Pitman schedule, three days off every other weekend where do I sign up?
http://www.njlawman.com/pitman-schedule.htm
We look like shit, where did we go wrong? Well, not having inspectors write people up for the last couple of years is a start. Ultimately it's the fault of the Sgt's and Lt's at the district level. They are allowing their people to look like shit. I am not talking about the molle vest or baseball cap either. I am talking about officers wearing torn up uniforms, wrong shoes, pony tails, hair past the collar, looking like buck wheat, looking like a thug or biker, unclean and unkept. You can still wear the currently approved uniform and still look professional if you take pride in yourself and the uniform you are wearing. I understand that the city has beaten us down and morale is at an all time low, but for your sake take pride in yourself, it might just save your life. To the m/2 Sgt in 5, lose the pony tail, you are wearing a uniform of a supervisor. You are suppose to be setting an example!
"I just ran into a LAPD officer visiting Chicago who is a friend of mine from the Marine Corp. He basically said in a nice way that we are the clowns in the police world. He said our uniforms and our fitness looks like shit. What the hell happened to us?"
Only one word is needed to respond to any LAPD criticism…Dorner. Nothing more need be said. Whatever has occurred here, none of us has ever gone on a violent rampage against our own, or their family members. What happened to us? What happened to THEM?? Tell your LAPD friend to go back to the land of fruits & nuts and pound sand.
Anonymous said...
Forget 12 Hour days, would do 10 hours in the drop of a hat.... 4 and 2 was and is not our friend.... Was designed to drain comp time, oh but wait we can't get off now anyways......Bring in the 10 hours, 60+ less days a year
11/09/2013 10:41:00 AM
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"4 & 2 was and is not our friend'?? Yet another conspiracy theorist claiming this schedule was created to drain our time. I love the 4 & 2-it seems your RDO before you know it.
I'd love the 10 hour day schedule being used, but that won't happen on the watch.
Compare to the 6 & 2 schedule the 4 & 2 is awesome.
S M T W T F Sa
X O O X X O O
O X X O O X X
X O O X X O O
O X X O O X X
2 shifts / 2 dog's (dog X and dog O)
Officers work 14 days a period
14 days x 13 periods = 182
365 - 182 = 183
You are off half the year to start, without mentioning furlough / baby furlough and (some places might still allow for it) time due.
The city took away the ten hour rather than expand it because after telling us in the districts that piloted the longer day to try it and see if we liked it... the majority didn't like- they loved it!
But, of course, by then the city realized people were not burning as much time because you had 3 on the end of every single week, followed by not one, not two, but three 4 day weekends in a row!
Banking that many hours doesnt bose well because you could suddenly use them for even longer weekends, unofficial babies, or hurt them when you cash out upon retirement.
there were periods when without burning a single day you were off more days than you worked 3 or 4 periods a year.
If some copper needs a reminder that our police force is still the country's best, yes, even on our currently worst seeming days, I would modestly point out the following:
Compare apples to apples. First consider only large urban population centers. Consider that Chicago's population, poverty rate, concentrated minority areas, overall size, and level of transportation, industry and commerce, all of those things within the city proper have their own justifiable need for focused police response and seperate agencies that in los angeles and new york, for example, their respective leaders have seen fit to provide multiple police departments.
You might have respectfully reminded your cop friend that when you see a big city like ours, that mass transit unit trying to be in multiple places at once in a squad marked mass transit police, is actually the same tired cpd working his day off, so maybe he looks a little bit in need of a shave.
Many cities have a seperate agency for that.
When you see coppers at our two major airports, yeah, maybe we mutter about how much time you need to bid there, but they're not only shorthanded, once again, in other places, they have a specialized department for that (I believe this city disbanded ours at a time of heightened need in favor of political priorities).
Here, we pull beat cars to respond to airports because the airport units are not adequately staffed or equipped.
We have still have one of the largest public housing systems in the nation, but again, thanks to appearances, and politics, and shortsighted false presumptions about what a success it would be to 'dismantle' the high rises, we do away with the CHA police and guess who handles that still urgent mess? Beat cars and guys working their days off.
Just so the added savings can be dispersed under the table at the whim of our mayor's political agendas...never mind the heightened danger of an undermanned, fatigued police force.
Yeah, I love visiting places where you're happy to see fellow officers with port authorities or county agencies and other overlapping units backing them up in the same jurisdiction within their city's borders. I like seeing coppers at their commerce and tourist destinations whose sole charge is overseeing the safe flow of traffic in and out of parking lots and back onto main thoroughfares.
And I'm glad, matter of fact, it's a point of almost having to say a prayer of thanks, that per capita, they have larger police forces and better training...
But let's put our in-house, disgruntled attitude aside for just a damn minute when a fellow copper from somewhere else thinks he's got any place to point out our shortcomings.
I'll be the first to admit we have issues. On the other hand, no offense, but with what we're dealing with out there... the size of the beast and the pea-brains appeasing them, we're there.
Guy that need haircuts, girls who need new pants, guys and girls with dreads and tattoos, and poor taste in jewelry, who should leave the earrings at home and put on a fresh t-shirt under their uniform and stop standing around looking half asleep and put away the phone...
But this town is never quiet, never peaceful, never polite, and always demanding, dissatisfied, and certain it's your fault.
And yet, people still need to consider what this city would look like if we really retreated, or stood down, or stayed in the car.
I wont mention any names of some towns...but come on, let's have some pride. I have more than a few memories of great response, great effort, collective achievement, and times when people who had it coming got more than they expected thinking they were going to punk out the police.
Not here.
A Texas Ranger is an officer who is able to handle any given situation without definite instructions from his commanding officer, or higher authority. This ability must be proven before a man becomes a Ranger."
Just like you Garry.
Anonymous said...
"I just ran into a LAPD officer visiting Chicago who is a friend of mine from the Marine Corp. He basically said in a nice way that we are the clowns in the police world. He said our uniforms and our fitness looks like shit. What the hell happened to us?"
Only one word is needed to respond to any LAPD criticism…Dorner. Nothing more need be said. Whatever has occurred here, none of us has ever gone on a violent rampage against our own, or their family members. What happened to us? What happened to THEM?? Tell your LAPD friend to go back to the land of fruits & nuts and pound sand.
11/09/2013 02:40:00 PM
If Dorner came to Chicago, he would wipe our our entire headquarters and take out several politicians before the CPD even knew he was here.
I appreciate the long dissertation about how the CPD is not that bad because this city is exceptionally shitty, but the real truth is that this city sucks because the people in it suck. All of them. From the voter, to the pol, to the cop on the beat. The vast majority play an angle designed to rip off someone else. The voter demands services they won't pay for. The pol borrows money from the future to give to his friend to kick back to him to buy the voter the service they never paid for. The cop watches movies on OT in a squad car and sits around the courthouse on a case long dismissed, and all the while complains that he constantly has to deal with uncooperative troublemakers. A policeman complaining about dealing with people causing problems. Priceless.
The only thing that everyone in this city can be assured of is that one day the bill will come due and EVERYONE living in this city or drawing a check from it, will get exactly what they deserve.
Nothing.
Maybe.
Or maybe the pendulum swings both ways, back and forth.
History shows a prosperous, productive American workforce benefited for a few decades for a variety of reasons, and a different set of circumstances also led to the end of that period when we realized the good times were over, citieswent broke, people fled, the only thing growing was the level of crime and decay.
I don't like democrats anymore now than I did as a young man growing up in a shitty neighborhood, but I came onto this job as a result of a bipartisan crime bill signed into law by a Democrat who stated, "the era of big government is over."
Wow. To think that a Democrat president still understood the link between hiring more police officers and the resulting benefit of a desired consequence as long, long ago as... the nineties.
I know historians in a surprisingly not so distant future will correct the false perception of the Bush years to better reflect the reality I came to experience firsthand as a resident of an economically depressed neighborhood.
I saw an entire city flush with ample resources, hiring, a democrat mayor quietly enjoying the benefits of a mutually advantageous political relationship with a Republican president that allowed him to pamper residents with city services, improvement projects, and so many cops and units that crime went down dramatically.
But, as can be expected, good things come to an end and in this city's case, forcefully.
Democrats, however, can be counted on in one regard in uncharacteristically trustworthy fashion. Rahm, and Dart, Preckwinkle, Obama and the slew of self-serving egomaniacs high on their own perceived sense of greatness, will certainly bring about such changes as radically as they claim. But not with the intended aim of securing the trust of the gullible electorate for any longer than it took the last time a Republican finally roused people to demand better and believe in the exceptionalism that is America, when it acts on its founding principles of freedom and individual resourcefulness.
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