Springfield Antics Again
Now that the legislature has disposed of the pressing social issue of our time that affects maybe 2-or-3% of the population, pension stuff is on the front burner again:
- Illinois House lawmakers were told Monday to return Dec. 3 to Springfield, where they would be in position if legislative leaders reach a compromise on overhauling the state's public employee pension system.
There have been reports of progress but no deal in the ongoing pension talks, and Senate leaders have tentatively scheduled a return Dec. 3-4 should a pension compromise be reached.
There was no mention of what House lawmakers would do in the letter sent by Speaker Michael Madigan's chief of staff, who told members to prepare for a one-day session next Tuesday.
There will be a load of stuff coming through all sorts of media outlets, social media sites, official union sites and other sites like this one. Keep a sharp eye out for info.
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
61 Comments:
the bill will be quietly passed on a late holiday eve -- when nobody is looking.
it's how thieves in the night work
Madigans chief of staff sent a letter notifying people of an action... Hmm, sending a letter.. Seems easy enough to do. I'm trying to think, didn't something recent happen involving some incompetent not being able to send a simple letter to someone... Oh wait, I got it. Never mind. Fk you shields Rot in your beat car scumbag
We have Mike Shields as our Savior. He cares so much about his membership. What a joke.
Mark Donuhue is Shield's lobbyist. Let see if he will stop this. At $75,000 a year Donahue plus your pension, and Street should be able to stop this. Markie you turned on for political reasons Shield's positions. You are not to be trusted. You are done Mark.
Good luck in your next lobbyist job for Street.
LOL - Mark and Bill.
Your pension is deferred compensation. It was earned. It is not a handout. Don't let them take what you have worked hard for. Make the call.
Will there be a push for HB2226?
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=2226&GAID=12&DocTypeID=HB&LegId=73516&SessionID=85&GA=98
Will they support law enforcement officers like they supported the gay marriage bill??
Screw them...they all created this mess by using the pension fund as a bank account for BS spending....My pension contributions come out of my check every 2 weeks...let them give up their $$$$$.....so tired of these assholes beating up on the working people of this state so the ones sitting on their asses can have more....why don't we look at welfare reform????? no more link cards if you're driving to 7-11 for big gulps in your escalade or corvette!!!!
Shame on Every One of Us! We have supported these thieves while loud mouth cops would shout you down if you raised the issue. How many times have we heard ignorant coppers who work on the side as Precinct Captains for these Hacks tell us "Da Peshun iz protected by da Stayt Legizlature"? Well now we are about to be scapegoated for decades of crony deals and mismanagement of billions of dollars. Meanwhile, nobody goes to jail, for losing millions of dollars!And Madigan(s), Cullerton and that whole crew will be elected again until they choose to stop running. We are not organized to fight them, so we will pay with our futures.
OT-Passing score for part I of Sgt exam will be 43%. Good luck to those who took the exam. (sarcasm)
Inside 35th street
Why not overhaul the Public aid program in Illinois instead? Why lifetime benefits? Perhaps have a 5 year limit like Wisconsin.
Bend over troops and get ready for the big one.
We are going to get fucked. It is only a matter of when and how hard. When does Richard M. Daley and the rest of the politicians that didn't make their share of the pension contributions, or diverted the money elsewhere get called out?
Here's an idea: Have the state and municipal governments pay their share that they have avoided paying all these years.
I should run for office with ideas like this huh
Sort of on-topic, what is happening to the millions now being put into the state coffers from the advent of all this video gaming now allowed? If I remember correctly, the first month alone brought in millions......how about sending that $$ to the pension fund deficit that the state has created by never putting in what it was supposed to?? Or are they trying to pass pension reform before the public finds out how much more money is being brought in, so they can again "use" it elsewhere???
Cover your asses folks. The fucking thieves inSpringfield are going to balance the budget on the backs of public service workers. Wake the fuck up and stop voting for the democrats.
I can only see higher taxes and lower pensions coming. What they will fail to say is those on pensions will see less money and pay the higher taxes.
To 02:52:00. Once again the circus clown brother is heard from. Dan you are part of Mikes legacy and you should be ashamed of yourself. Donahue has helped keep this shit at bay for three years in spite of your brother's help. You will help him burn the place to the ground.. By the way, wasn't it you who made the motion to give Donahue a raise last time? Check the minutes.
It might not be about pension issues. I heard there was something about transgendered marriage that needed to be taken care of before anything mundane like pension issues need to be addressed.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Illinois has 138,000 less people employed today (Oct 2013) than the state did a year ago (Oct 2014)- despite an improving economy. Our leaders are failing at their jobs.
With less workers means less tax revenue. I don't see the State cutting much so pensions are left to be squeezed
If Madigan and Cullerton really want this to pass it will, and neither Donahue nor any other lobbyist will be able to stop it. The only hope we have is to contact your State legislators.
Interesting reading. The Labor Board ruling is now available online. You can read that the city attorney Franczek's sent the boys at FOP a letter regarding the failure of Shields to send the city the letter for retro and bargaining. The ILRB stated the union either turned a blind eye or decided the letter was of no importance. Either way the appeal of the decision is purely a political move to gain some cover by Shields. After reading the decision you will see there is no chance of winning. Shields will waste our money playing politics. A real man would have resigned by now.
When Madigan says "progres but no deal" but calls everyone in, thats code for the deal is done so lets sneek it through.
Mark Donahue- should always be remembered as the person who " forgave" the city's contribution to the pension fund. What a legacy.
I'm not saying the pension mess isn't a real problem but the numbers the doom and gloom politicians are bantering about aren't realistic numbers. In fact they're grossly inflated. The numbers are based on if everyone within the pension system were to retire at the same time... then those ridiculous numbers would come into play.
For a myriad of different reasons it's impossible for that to happen. Yet the doom and gloom politicians keep harping on those inflated numbers to help rile up the public and help the thieving politicians degrade our constitutionally protected pension benefits.
Once again the lying, thieving politicians want to "adjust" the numbers to help their cause.
Shields never goes down to Springfield. He acts like he is the retirees savior and he doesn't even show his face down there.
The reason for returning on 03 Dec is because the last day to file to run in the March primary is 02 Dec. coincidence? I don't think so. Call the "We Are One Coalition" phone number at 888-412-6570 to get connected to your State Representative and Senator's office. Let them know you are opposed to any pension legislation not supported by the We Are One Coalition.
the Labor Board just slapped the fop and their latest appeal. It said, "The Union's interpretation of the City's letter demonstrate either a willfull blindness towards its contents or a failure to recognize the legal import of its statements."
Ouch!!!
Anonymous said...
Madigans chief of staff sent a letter notifying people of an action... Hmm, sending a letter.. Seems easy enough to do. I'm trying to think, didn't something recent happen involving some incompetent not being able to send a simple letter to someone... Oh wait, I got it. Never mind. Fk you shields Rot in your beat car scumbag
11/26/2013 12:10:00 AM
Self promoter Carlos Cortez did everyone a favor when he brought up charges on Shields. In the course of that investigation it was learned that any of the Vice Presidents could have signed the letter too. That includes Bill Dougherty, Frank DiMaria, and Daniel Gorman. PLEASE do not vote for any of these people either.
Carlos Cortez stated he was going to bring up charges on the rest of the executive board by the end of the week. That would have been 20 Sep 13. Carlos did not do that.
So who on the executive board was Carlos working for? Until he gives up who he did this for do not vote for any of the Executive Board Vice presidents:Dougherty, Frank DiMaria, and Daniel Gorman.
In fact open up your FOP book cover and do not vote for anyone that was with the City-wide team or for that matter anyone on that inside cover.
I don't need a pension now that my gay husband will support me. All I have to do is...well you know.
Anonymous said...
Mark Donuhue is Shield's lobbyist. Let see if he will stop this. At $75,000 a year Donahue plus your pension, and Street should be able to stop this. Markie you turned on for political reasons Shield's positions. You are not to be trusted. You are done Mark.
Good luck in your next lobbyist job for Street.
LOL - Mark and Bill.
11/26/2013 02:52:00 AM
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1. Remember just three weeks ago he signed in for approval of the Park District Bill that striped pension benefits away from Park District employees that are already retired.
2. Mark and Bill both pushed hard for South siders to elect Fran Hurly for Rep. She has voted against labor every single time a vote has come up.
3. Mark and Bill turned down a 16% raise and we eventually got 10%. So what was the payoff for these two guys?
If Mark is AWOL from Springfield Tuesday he should be fired and brought up on charges a malfeasance.
harharhar
officers with the 43% passing score to 50% will be the future exempts of Chicago Police Dept .
Any reform that includes a 401(k) option is the kiss of death.
Start thinking how to fight this....
5,000 CPD family members sit down at the Chicago Merchantile Exchange....for days.
Block entrances to major banks.
Selective picketing and sit downs where your rulers live on the North Shore.
Start thinking folks.
Sort of on-topic, what is happening to the millions now being put into the state coffers from the advent of all this video gaming now allowed? If I remember correctly, the first month alone brought in millions......how about sending that $$ to the pension fund deficit that the state has created by never putting in what it was supposed to?? Or are they trying to pass pension reform before the public finds out how much more money is being brought in, so they can again "use" it elsewhere???
The city doesnt want that money going into the pension. They would rather have it mandated to come from property taxes as mandated in SB3538 so they can squirm out of it or get a delay by announcing the citys share of property taxes would have to double when they are mandated to make a 600 million dollar payment in 2016
All gaming goes to the children, the CPS whose teachers only pay two percent of their pay into the pension and the CPS pays the remaining 7% thru our subsidizing them through property taxes
Screw them...they all created this mess by using the pension fund as a bank account for BS spending....My pension contributions come out of my check every 2 weeks...let them give up their $$$$$.....so tired of these assholes beating up on the working people of this state so the ones sitting on their asses can have more....why don't we look at welfare reform????? no more link cards if you're driving to 7-11 for big gulps in your escalade or corvette!!!!
Totally not true. They did not use the pension money as a bank account. The reason the pension is in such bad shape is the city for at least the last 25 years has not contributed their share into the fund, That is the reason
Mark Donahue make me laugh. When Shields refused to send the city the letter why didn't Donahue, Dougherty, Aguilar or Dimaria stand up at the next union meeting and announce to the members they represent what the ramafications of Shields inaction would be on us. I'll tell you why, they were all worried about losing their spots. Had one of them opened their mouth Shields would have thrown them out of the office and they would lose their captains pay and Mark Donahue would have lost his $75,000 a year co lobbyist pay. So when their names show up on the FOP election ballot treat them like the rats they are. Send them all packing.
Donahue is running for trustee on team Dougherty. Pension, $75,000 a year and he wants more. Just vote no on Donahue and team Dougherty. We don't need Mark running things again.
The Mike and Mark freak show never saw this coming. The state will change the arc law and the city won't have to make sure our pension fund is fully funded. We are getting it rammed up our a&@ a couple of different ways this session. We might as well not even have a union.
I actually heard Mumbles DiMaria at the last FOP meeting say he is running again to straighten out the mess we are in. Where the FU&@ have you been the last 15 years you have been in office? Try this on you turd retire! Take that big bag of money you have and go away!
I took a day off 2 years ago & jumped on the bus to Springfield for a rally to save the pensions.
FOP have buses going this time?
Any cut in benefits (401k for current employees etc..) = residency reform in my opinion.
Anonymous said...
Mark Donahue- should always be remembered as the person who " forgave" the city's contribution to the pension fund. What a legacy.
11/26/2013 01:12:00 PM
Don't forget, we got something for that, we got max pension at 29 years and a day. Previously it was 32 and a day.
You can get lots of information on this issue at http://firstresponderpensionfacts.com or you can follow even closer at https://www.facebook.com/pages/FirstResponderPensionFacts
LIKE the Facebook page and you will get updates.
And everyone will still line up for VRI...we could have Rhambelina by his raisin balls if we could just stick together.
>>>Don't forget, we got something for that, we got max pension at 29 years and a day. Previously it was 32 and a day.
11/26/2013 08:45:00 PM<<<
WTF!!! Really, we got something for a $25 million bribe.
Richie Daley makes a phone call and gets $25 million of OUR MONEY so he could pay off his pals.
All that really changed is that the percent of what you gained every year became the same.
Before this you earned 2.5% pension/annuity for the first 20 years. After 20 years you only earned 2% pension/annuity to a maximum of 75%.
Why should those last years have been worth any less that the previous years? We got shafted again. Richie took OUR MONEY to pay off his pals just like the parking meters and destroying Meigs Field to build high risers in the glide path.
Funny thing, I heard that Richie is now working for the law firm that represents Chicago Parking Meters LAZ. I bet he couldn't remember shit about that deal if anyone asked.
Donahue and Daugherty ran the most corruo t administration, in the history of the FOP. Proof will be forthcoming, very soon. Those two, should be in jail.
" Don'T forget we for something for that , 29 and a day"
29 and a day means nothing if there is no money there. Just think about it.
And why do we need Mark Donahue anyhow? Who was down in Springfield when Mark was in office? Also why is it we need Pat Camden? Did Mark Donahue always speak on behalf of FOP? Isn't that the job of the FOP president? WTF does Shields do anyhow? Also why does FOP still send out those monthly newsletters? I read it on my Smart phone and throw the newsletter away upon arrival. Does anyone else have a Smart phone or email out there? No daily bulletins for years and no paper arrests or years yet FOP still sends out paper newsletters monthly at what cost?
Anonymous said...
I took a day off 2 years ago & jumped on the bus to Springfield for a rally to save the pensions.
FOP have buses going this time?
11/26/2013 08:28:00 PM
They are still arguing over who forgot to send the letter.
3. Mark and Bill turned down a 16% raise and we eventually got 10%. So what was the payoff for these two guys?
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People only remember what they want to remember. You left out the details. The 16% raise was part of a package that included shit we didn't want. Remember? Daley put it on the table. All or nothing. We couldn't cherry pick just the 16% raise. The rest of that offer sucked.
Who cares about the pension as long as I gets my VRI.
Anonymous said...
Mark Donahue- should always be remembered as the person who " forgave" the city's contribution to the pension fund. What a legacy.
11/26/2013 01:12:00 PM
Don't forget, we got something for that, we got max pension at 29 years and a day. Previously it was 32 and a day.
11/26/2013 08:45:00 PM
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And what did Mark get when he turned down 16% and took 10%? Was he promised OEMC if we got the Olympics? The Head of OEMC was getting the head security spot and left an opening for Mark.
1. He forgave the city 30 Million.
2. Gave back a 16% raise and took 10%
The membership never got to vote on either of these items.
3. Backed Fran Hurley for state Rep.
4. Signed in in Springfield in support of the city in pension reform against the Park District Retirees.
5. His neighbor, Steve Robbins, tried to pass a by law to keep all retirees from voting and holding office? Why Mark? So the City could do to them just like the city just did to Park District Retirees?
Mark was a dictator. Let's see his true colors Tuesday in Springfield.
Gold braid pension is gone dec 3,2013
This will save pension millions
Mark Donahue- should always be remembered as the person who " forgave" the city's contribution to the pension fund. What a legacy.
11/26/2013 01:12:00 PM
Don't forget, we got something for that, we got max pension at 29 years and a day. Previously it was 32 and a day.
11/26/2013 08:45:00 PM
What we 'got' was people leaving sooner, paying into the pension a shorter period of time, drawing from the pension longer and the City 'contributing' less to the investment fund.
5. His neighbor, Steve Robbins, tried to pass a by law to keep all retirees from voting and holding office? Why Mark? So the City could do to them just like the city just did to Park District Retirees?
Mark was a dictator. Let's see his true colors Tuesday in Springfield.
11/27/2013 11:11:00 AM
Look, unless the man begged this Steve Robbins to move nearby and then paid for his house to ensure the guy would move in, what the hell does 'his neighbor' have to do with ANYTHING? I suppose somehow I'm responsible if a wife-beater moves onto my block and becomes my neighbor?
I am a neighbor of both Mark Donahue and Bill Dougherty, but they are not making me do anything,
Including Voting for either of them.
That shit about paying in to pension shorter and drawing from it longer is vile garbage.
You can't possibly be an employee of the police or any other public agency hoping not to get robbed by the crooks raiding the funds for decades, paying 7 figure commissions to connected so-called fund managers taking payment even when their investments didn't yield a dime.
You have to be some asshole, seriously, to not realize some basic facts about police pension funds.
When an employer hires you and establishes a benefits and retirement package to augment compensation, that's not some benevolent charitable act, that's part of what you are to be compensated in exchange for service and labor. In this case a dangerous job, one with a high level of stress, and one which will offer few guarantees that you'll ever settle into the
routine and luxury of a normal work place.
If we've seen improvements to the terms of our pension, such as being able to take 50 percent at 50 years of age, guess what? That's not what's breaking the pension or causing it to risk insolvency.
It pisses me off that the public doesn't understand where these contributions come from, considering that the second largest contribution to our pension fund, after employee deductions is unused benefit due to death.
FY for saying that we ought to be forced to stay on and pay longer so we can draw less. We didn't mismanage or not pay in as required.
As it is, my retirement won't last very long and statistically speaking, I'll be dead way sooner than the time it took me to pay in.
man this town hates us almost as much as we seem to hate ourselves. It's more proof what lying hypocrites the democrats show themselves to be every time they claim to be looking out for the worker.
And why do we need Mark Donahue anyhow? Who was down in Springfield when Mark was in office? Also why is it we need Pat Camden? Did Mark Donahue always speak on behalf of FOP? Isn't that the job of the FOP president? WTF does Shields do anyhow? Also why does FOP still send out those monthly newsletters? I read it on my Smart phone and throw the newsletter away upon arrival. Does anyone else have a Smart phone or email out there? No daily bulletins for years and no paper arrests or years yet FOP still sends out paper newsletters monthly at what cost?
11/27/2013 07:48:00 AM
The last person I want speaking on my behave is Shields. That is money well spent in my opinion.
Mark and Billy boy put their lackey, Steve Robbins up to his attempt to take voting rights from the retirees. This was done to help Billy boy become FOP president. The retirees can't stand Donahue or Dougherty, and now Billy boy has a big problem with veterans. These two con men have to go.
Mark Donahue is the person to get this done to defeat this bill. He has contacts with all the legislative leaders! They all respect him. As the FOP's voice in Springfield, the organization could not have a better advocate.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That shit about paying in to pension shorter and drawing from it longer is vile garbage.
You can't possibly be an employee of the police or any other public agency hoping not to get robbed by the crooks raiding the funds for decades, paying 7 figure commissions to connected so-called fund managers taking payment even when their investments didn't yield a dime.
You have to be some asshole, seriously, to not realize some basic facts about police pension funds.
When an employer hires you and establishes a benefits and retirement package to augment compensation, that's not some benevolent charitable act, that's part of what you are to be compensated in exchange for service and labor. In this case a dangerous job, one with a high level of stress, and one which will offer few guarantees that you'll ever settle into the
routine and luxury of a normal work place.
If we've seen improvements to the terms of our pension, such as being able to take 50 percent at 50 years of age, guess what? That's not what's breaking the pension or causing it to risk insolvency.
It pisses me off that the public doesn't understand where these contributions come from, considering that the second largest contribution to our pension fund, after employee deductions is unused benefit due to death.
FY for saying that we ought to be forced to stay on and pay longer so we can draw less. We didn't mismanage or not pay in as required.
As it is, my retirement won't last very long and statistically speaking, I'll be dead way sooner than the time it took me to pay in.
man this town hates us almost as much as we seem to hate ourselves. It's more proof what lying hypocrites the democrats show themselves to be every time they claim to be looking out for the worker.
11/28/2013 01:25:00 AM
Nowhere did I say "that we ought to be forced to stay on and pay longer so we can draw less." Nowhere did I claim we mismanaged or didn't pay into the fund.
But, if you can count, and maybe add and multiply, too, it is obvious that people who work more years contribute more money, in total, to the fund, thereby creating a bigger fund.
It is also obvious that people who work 29 years and leave, statistically will draw more money from the fund than those who stay a few more years.
Now, while this is fine when the economy is booming and the fund is making money hand over fist, it has a much greater impact when the investment return on the money is just about nil.
Add in: Rahm's plan to keep fewer cops on the job in the future means even FEWER people paying into the fund and fewer MATCHING contributions made by the City, so it's a double loss.
I get that you're worried and defensive, but this is simple math, not somebody attacking your value and work ethic and whatever else you were going on about.
Simply put, less money paid into the fund by us and by the City, leaves less money to invest and brings in less return on that investment. You might not like it, but it's the current situation we're all in. Yes, I said 'we'. We need more contributors to the fund, we need the City to pay in the amount they are legally required to and to catch up on what they have failed to pay in, and we need better fund management in the future.
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