Embarrassing
Everyone covers the recent debacle at FOP:
- The Illinois Fraternal Order of Police has suspended the president of the union representing Chicago Police officers — and prohibited Mike Shields from negotiating with the city — after accusing him of violating his oath of office and branding him a “dictator.”
The extraordinary step by State FOP President Ted Street was announced at a general membership meeting Tuesday night where a Monroe District beat car was called to “police the police” amid fears it could get ugly.
Street’s power play comes just two days after Shields leveled the explosive charge that the last two police contracts dictated by an independent arbitrator were “fixed” in the city’s favor and that the recent sergeants’ contract arbitration may also have been rigged.
That was the final straw, but not the only reason Street triggered a disciplinary process that will culminate in an investigation by a five-member committee and a hearing before the State FOP’s 30-member board, where Shields will have the opportunity to present a defense.
The FOP (sans Shields) released a statement on their website:
- As many of you are aware, this past Monday Lodge President Michael K. Shields publicly accused respected arbitrators, City and FOP labor lawyers, and present and former Lodge officials of fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud during past contract negotiations. Due to the recent actions of President Shields, Illinois State FOP Lodge President Ted Street was forced to suspend President Shields’, “membership rights, duties and authority and therefore is suspended as President of Chicago FOP Lodge #7,” pending a hearing before the State Lodge Board of Trustees. Based on the FOP Lodge 7 by-laws, First Vice President William Dougherty will be the Acting President of the Lodge until the next Board of Directors meeting.
The remaining Field Representatives would like to publicly extend a deep apology to those who were named in the Chicago Sun-Times article. Lastly, to our members, we want you to know that we are deeply saddened by these recent turns of events and understand the present “crisis in confidence” the members have in their Union. Based on your dedication and duty to the welfare our City, your wage and work conditions must be our number one priority. With that in mind, we promise that our commitment to you will not change in the remaining months before the Lodge election. Any and all press inquiries should be directed to the Lodge’s media consultant Patrick Camden.
"Crisis in confidence" is putting it mildly.
Everyone on the Board of Directors failed us. Everyone was so busy keeping their job that they forgot to do their job. The "retro letter" scandal was just the most visible fuck-up and when we told the truth about it over a year ago, we were lambasted by many of those expressing shock and dismay today. It is our studied opinion that too many of the current Board let a megalomaniac run unchecked for too many years for the sake of political gain and 10,000-plus coppers along with 6,000-plus retirees paid the price. This is not easily forgiven or forgotten.
Everyone on the Board of Directors failed us. Everyone was so busy keeping their job that they forgot to do their job. The "retro letter" scandal was just the most visible fuck-up and when we told the truth about it over a year ago, we were lambasted by many of those expressing shock and dismay today. It is our studied opinion that too many of the current Board let a megalomaniac run unchecked for too many years for the sake of political gain and 10,000-plus coppers along with 6,000-plus retirees paid the price. This is not easily forgiven or forgotten.
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
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SCC: When the ballot comes out....Please don't get political. Just tell us who has not been a trustee, interim board member, or field rep under any of the 4 administrations. I bet there will only be about 20 guys. Vote those 20 in, they'll do great!
America
BULL SHIT !
No body forgets to send the letter.
Corrupt/stupid
Wtf
talk about playing judge, jury and executioner.
issue an apology before an investigation is even begun. really.
and while it may have been shields direct responsibility to issue the so-called 'letter' you mean to tell me not a single board member nor a single rank and file member or any officer asked questions or held strategy meetings about the upcoming contract negotiations - which btw would trigger an oh shit i gotta send out a letter in response ...
whelp, enjoy the shit show as greed and fear drives the narcissist into over drive.
if only they would of put this much energy into doing their jobs looking out for their membership as they are paid to do eh.
call the clouted kangaroo court to order. start the smear campaign.
use the crisis, right.
Those who put their trust in unions and union bosses.
'if you like your contract, you can keep you contract....period'
/sarcasm
I still think Mike Shields deserves a fair hearing and another chance. He's still getting my vote for another term.
I, for one, feel we as police officers make too much money and maybe we should even ask legislators to lower our pension benefits and increase our contributions, while raising the minimum retirement age to 55 with a minimum of 25 years.
We should all pile into the districts with the highest need for police presence and service to let our citizens and residents know they come first, while making sure to use as little force as possible and always provide service with a smile.
Last, but not least, what's wrong with a little medicinal marijuana?
Does anyone know if that tea works? You know, the one that's supposed to clean your pee?
Embarrassing....yes
But that being the case what in the hell do you call the "whistle blower"
being booted out of office and the accused being elevated to President?
Only in Chicago
We are so screwed in this next contract
In a left handed way this forces the CityWide guys to actually work on getting a good contract w/o all of the give backs the Sgt's gave.
If we get screwed then shields might have been right - not how he handled it - but by bring this to the light of day. Many of us who are getting ready to retiree believe that the last three (3) contracts were rigged.
Wonder if the media will put as much interest into how the Board of Education was supposed to spend $8 Million to board up and secure recently closed schools and is now announcing it will cost almost $30 Million to do the work. This is outrageous. Where is the outrage?
NEVER forgiven. NEVER forgotten.
Mikey,ya should have sent the letter when you were supposed to..None of this would have happened..You cut your own throat..
So who backed Shields the first time around? And who helped prop him up the past few years?
The fallout for his incompetence, recklessness and negligent actions rests at the feet of his political and professional backers as well.
Who else do we have to "thank" for giving the gift of Shields?
Show me OUR Money Cappareli
FLOP Is a disgrace We the working Cops need a real union
Time to dump Flop before it gets worse I ask some advice on how we do this
He ain't lying, their was always side deals and considerations during negotiations. Independent future benefits always outweighed the police they represented. No one should be shocked, this is chicago.
Ok, who’s next? Who do we have that is serious about running for FOP?
WE don’t need the “Oh, so-n-so is a great Copper”… Im not asking for a great Copper, WE need a great FOP PRESIDENT. Someone that knows Union law, someone that knows Contract Law and how to negotiate a Contract. Christfuck, someone that knows how to send out a fucking letter on time.
Right now, WE don’t need the “I didn’t vote for him” or the “I told you not to vote for that asshole”… Much like obama, that’s who we got, we’re getting fucked… Let’s figure WHO can get US out of this fucking mess!
WE know that we’re in the middle of a shit-storm, who can get us the fuck out of it?!?!
The bunker is secured now in Ford Heights. The FOP president and his few generals are safe for now and demanding safe passage to Peoria, Illinois if the Lil Guy will not be prosected.
The Lil guys is getting a complete face change and will be looking like Bob Hope when the bunker doors open.
The Kremlin is offering him asylum for the secrets of the FOP>.
FOP stock fell 50 % in over trading in Munich.
North Korea is looking to send in thropps if the Lil' man is not given his toy's from his play room office at FOP.
Are we going to get new FOP books.
SNL is doing a show on this Saturday.
Based on your dedication and duty to the welfare our City, your wage and work conditions must be our number one priority.
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Looks like Shields was right...... these old fucks are gonna give it up to Emanuel on health insurance costs and pension, the TWO things Emanuel wants to fuck us all on anyway.
You heard it from their own mouths people, Dougherty and his clan of hacks is gonna end the contract process swiftly with a strong fucking in insurance benefits and possibly pension givebacks. He's gonna "take it to arbitration" with an agreed fucking on 2% insurance giveback and 2% for pensioners. BANK ON THAT, GUARANTEED.
Take it to the bank, you're fucked on health and retirement folks. Thank the Emanuel paid for stooges who're running yours and the state lodges.
And watch for political support for Emanuel based legislation to fuck us in pensions as well, all against our wishes.
Start looking for THAT sales pitch soon.
It is unfortunate that all our Union Boards are full of self-serving and/or disinterested in the membership folks.....but when people refuse to step up and get involved that's what you get
Teamsters already..Enough of this circus size show year after year..
And after this how many want to bet that Shields does not go back to a district pushing a beat car as he should?
It is the Donahue ilk that brought this upon us.
What's wrong with retiring at 62? That's the minimum age for social security. There are many professions that involve manual labor that have to wait until 65. Gone are the days of working 20 years and collecting a pension for 45. Sorry, it's not economically viable.
People are living longer. There are less cops to pay into the pension, less people in the state paying taxes. Soon private sector employees will be working to 67-70 and getting social security of $20-30k.
Should pensions be capped at 1x social security? 2x?
Getting quadruple social security for working half the years is fucked up.
Decertify the FOP and get the TEAMSTERS. State Police did and are happy with very good benifits.
Shields needs an investigation, what if he is right. Remember the union forgave the city millions that they owed us, that should have been a criminal investigation by the FBI. Yes how soon we all forget. Let this be investigated, don't just take there word for it.
Wild horses couldn't drag me into that spot now if I was Dougherty I'd stay in 022 the stench will never leave no matter how much you clean or anything that happens, Shields dropped the bomb and rubble flew in every crack and crevice of that building
01:17, Just what give backs were there in the Sgt's contract? It was decided by an arbitrator so no one gave anything but thanks for your worthless input.
Thank you for the wonderful Christmas present. I couldn't have asked for anything better.
Signed,
Rahm
I'm retired 15 years (30 year CPD) and living out of state. Imagine my shock when this hit the fan.
Recently (past 3 years), I have voiced my concern about the whole FOP movement to align with unions. The FOP was originally voted in because it was not affiliated with trade unions and because it was not subject to the corruption and back stabbing so prevalent in those unions. We had Teamsters and AFLCIO options on the ballot but we selected the FOP.
Not once in all those years did a trade union offer to stand with us on a single issue but now they are begging us to stand with them.
Now the "union labor movement" aligned FOB is behaving more like mobbed up, corrupt political activist, back stabbing union thugs than the independent brotherhood of cops we originally were.
In a left handed way this forces the CityWide guys to actually work on getting a good contract w/o all of the give backs the Sgt's gave.
Hey dummy, the sgt.'s contract was decided by an arbitrator so exactly how did they give back anything..
Why not just get rid of FOP? Do they ever get anything for its members?
Wow...all you Shield haters, who was fairly elected, couldn't wait till March and vote him out? Instead the guys that lost the election, the citywide team, pull a coup and have shields removed with an election only 3 months away? Now you'll never get rid of them. You all will rue the day when you let this happen. I'm not a shields supporter but this is no better than the city administration. You all supporting this action are no different than Daley and Rahm and Madigan, all political whoreswho will sell to the highest bidder. You all beef about the unfairness of the city, the aldermen, the mayor yet you all condone the city wide team to basically nullify YOUR vote.......you all deserve what's coming to you.......
Well said SCC.
God help us. The Chief City negotiator was said to be "salivating" earlier this year when the Letter of Intent fiasco occurred.
I'm sure he rubbed one out yesterday reading the Trib at his kitchen table.
We should dump the FOP and go with the Teamsters.
Well at least you aren't blaming this problem on the Reverends. Some of the comments posted attempt to blame the retirees for voting their interests. In the last election less than 33% of the membership voted. So, who is the problem.
A 2000 retiree.
Lets not forget one simple fact. Mike told the members who attended the February 21, 2012 General Membership Meeting that he was going to send a demand letter. It's in the minutes of that meeting. The meeting was a week before the deadline. He and he alone failed to live up to his statement and responsibility as president of our Lodge.
The comments posted here about electing all candidates without any past FOP experience is dangerous. We all need to take a deep breath and realize that inexperience is exactly what failed us. There are some people on this Board who have performed their jobs well. They should stay while removing some of the dead wood. If you don't know who they are. Shame on you. You are as much a part of the problem as Shields.
Quick, someone call Larry Yellen for an undercover investigation!
This does not change a single thing on Washington Street. Dougherty is a coconspirator to this entire 3 year mess. This is the reason why you elect members to individual offices. You expect that someone that has knowledge of wrongdoing will step up and expose the issue for what they are. Dougherty never did and what is worse let it go this far before he decided to put seperatiion between him and the Shields team. Dougherty could have exposed the personal issues of the President, could have exposed and helped remove Geiger that will cost us millions, could have and should have immediately came out and said something about the letter not going to the city.
Nothing has changed and it will not change until the members vote by mail or in person. Tickets dont make an election, indivuals do and we all have a choice to vote for the individuals for each office or trustee.
Keep in mind the enromous rubber stamp that Shield and Dougherty had and how they put us in this possition of embarassment and financial hardship. Every one of them from Dan Shields down to Mike Underwood. Nobody want to rock the boat, they are just there for their monthly stipend. You are paid to do a job and you failed to do it. All are responsible and all sholuld be removed.
Spot on SCC!!!
I would really hope that for the good of the FOP, none of the previously elected officials run again.
Just checked their web site for the fop death notice; however, it is still dated 09 dec 13 (10 days without an update).
The city will not be negotiating with CityWide FOP. The firemen will be next up and we will get what they get. GAURANTEED.This is a blessing in disguise. A real union negotiating a labor agreement first!! For the next 4 months we will be listening to Daugherty bullshit us how he his tirelessly working to get us a fair contract. More lies and more granstanding by egomaniacs with no integrity.
Once again, tve Chicago Police and City of Chicago look like complete Morons to the Country.
I hope they fire him. And if he ends up getting a nice spot from city hall an investigation should take place as to how a "grown ass" man couldn't send out a mail on time. It sat there on his desk... his secretary told him along with other board members but he did nothing. Was there a motive behind this? What a jag off for screwing cops and their families out of money they deserve. Thanks for nothing mr jag off.
So what does being suspended mean? Is he getting paid? Take home car? When does he go back to the rank and file?
He made all these allegations so when he goes back to patrol he can say the city is out to get him based on his allegations !
vote for Tom McDonough
Speakin of corruption, and "fixes", whatever happened to the murder investigatiions of those 2 gay guys from obama's church? Yeah, CPD is straight alright. Straight as Archer Avenue.
wake up its all fixed.the country, city, and state are done!
Take a 2% raise again, if youre lucky enough to even get that. Remember, you're makin much more in OT. The rest of the Country is part-time and bleedin bad. Thank you. DemocRATS.
No one should be voting for anyone that is or has served on this board or past boards. Our entire lodge is a laughing stock! I don't care who is to blame for starting this mess, but no one tried to stop it at any point. The last 4 meetings were useless and so has our representation by our FOP! Who gives a shit about a letter that was supposed to be sent or not sent? How about what the city plans on doing to our healthcare? Or how about what is going to happen to retirees benefits? Everyone is so damn worried about a f**king retro check that may or may not come they are missing the bigger picture! This mayor along with many other politicians are going to take away more than a retro check from us in the near future but we are stuck on a letter. Well I have two letters for every member of the lodge F and U for being backstabbing cowards! You job is not about yourselves, it is about our brotherhood! And you my friends dropped the ball!
The Letter fiasco.....why is Shields the only guy getting bad press over that? I'm neutral when it comes to the FOP "Team", but as a team (Many of them People with years of experience) How did that happen? Seems like petty BS and egos got in the way of representing us properly. Shields can't be the only guy to blame, other re-elected ofcr's have to help the new guy in his first term. Even the most naive optimists would have to believe in backroom deals/rigging after the many dismal contracts over the years.
Shields came from the outside.
The State Lodge leadership includes the old insiders.
Did he commit a criminal act or offend the old guard?
Could it be a coup to regain complete power and reinstall the insiders who lost the election?
Thank you Mike for exposing the truth once again, even at your own expense. Yes you forgot to send the letter as a "new guy", but the experienced guys should have done it "for the good of all" rather than thier own political desires. You have my vote.
VOTE I voted for shields,I regret that now,but I will vote again and will not vote for any one who is in there now,they all need to go,we need change,we need to start fresh,that letter cost me money,all of them need to be voted out!!
votevotevotevotevotevotevotevote
worst contract ever, tiny dancer loving it
There's no doubt Shields messed up, however how many on his board were around for previous negotiations but either set him up by not reminding him of the letter or being negligent themselves in not knowing about it.
There's little doubt remnants of the previous regime sabotaged him to a degree.
To fix the union, Shields AND any remnants of previous regimes should not run for re-election for the betterment of the union.
Being as how they all have egos too big to do this,
The rank and file have to be sure to elect outsiders
To the post.
Shields is no dummy, regardless of what happens to him, the accusations against FOP members should be fully investigated.
shields being gone is a great start.but the only way things can be corrected is to fire Paul Geiger immediately.it is absolutely amazing that this guy is still employed with our dues money. He has cost the lodge millions of dollars because of his perverted actions.now he will cost the lodge even more money windshields sues the FOP as a whistle blower. We have to get rid of this guy!
Obama loves this.
Rahm's Wet Dream has come true! Instead of rallying behind Shields with respect to the letter Fiasco, everyone has turned on him. THE LETTER CLEARLY SHOWS THAT RAHM HAS NOT ACTED IN GOOD FAITH WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. The letter fiasco also shows that members of FOP at the highest level were working against Shields, because these guys were around for previous contracts and knew that letter was due. The Union has been busted by a COMBO of Shields incompetence and our own selfishness. When it became apparent that the letter had not been sent and Rahm was going to hold out we should have surrounded City Hall the way we did for Daley. That incident was devastating to the stuttering little pig's ego, and it would have had an effect on Rahm as well.
OT amid the FOP distraction
After a Google search, it appears that Global Workplace Solutions (the company getting the board-up the public schools business to the tune of $31 million)is another Ohio company. We couldn't find an Illinois/Chicago company to do the job?
SCC: When the ballot comes out....Please don't get political. Just tell us who has not been a trustee, interim board member, or field rep under any of the 4 administrations. I bet there will only be about 20 guys. Vote those 20 in, they'll do great!
America
12/19/2013 12:12:00 AM
So what your sayin is put in place a bunch of guys who have zero experience... Hmmm, sounds familiar, oh wait we did that with a guy named mike shields... Yeah, let's do that again. Think before you speak. I know it sounds good in your mind and while your spouting off at roll call to nobody listening but we need someone who knows how to play the game.. Shields did not know how to play. He thought everything should be an argument and embarrass the city.. Now we all look like fools and are gonna get fd with this contract.. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. If we vote in people with no experience we will be doomed. Use your head
the big question? does he have proof? its 1 thing to say it
I love all the Monday morning quarterbacks!
First Shields made a name for himself while at the pension board stopping the likes of Huberman and Weiss from getting into our pension fund. He received a lot of attention and the majority of members, (those that vote anyway) elected him into office. Get over it. We all now know that this was a mistake, however we also elected other officers some of whom make up the board of trustees and they haven't done their jobs as well. Unfortunately Shields went down a road that was all about himself. Accusing those that have worked for or with the FOP for years of not being loyal and not working in the best interest of the membership. Shields then ultimately insisted that that "the contract letter" was written and mailed in a timely manner, which I believe there should have been verification through board members and evidently there was not. Again we have to have accountability here, that's why we're paying all you guys, that's why you're there to protect us. You all failed us on this one. Regardless, Shields then admits a year later that the letter was not sent and it was his fault. The number one priority of the FOP is to negotiate and enforce our contract. This clearly was not done. Shields now becomes the focus of the FOP and instead of moving forward the board and other members began to argue like teenage girls. Pathetic at best. He now becomes the problem and it's time for you to go and he should have resigned. He didn't, and instead of the board attempting to remove him at this juncture they all waged battle over self preservation, thereby bring embarrassment to all Chicago Police Officer's active and retired.
Now we have a letter and a press conference held by Shields with no backing of the board or other members accusing the city, arbitrators and past and present members of the FOP of being involved in rigging or fixing prior contracts. Shields provides no proof of this other then to say that's what he was told by Attorney Paul Geiger, who was not present during those negotiations and is not willing to make any statements as to his knowledge of these events. This clearly is meant to be a distraction and embarrasses us all yet again.
We now have to have an outside representative come in and clean house by removing our sitting president and stop the bleeding.
Shields will have his day in court. However if he had any proof we all know he would have already provided it to the Inspector General and media.
The truly sad part of all of this is that we are in the battle of our careers with the current contract expired over a year ago and our pensions being threatened.
We need real leadership today! Whoever is in charge needs to act responsibly and professionally for the good of the membership.
We have an election in a couple of months, let's hope that's not too late.
Off topic from the rumor mill...Just heard the if Rauner becomes governor the pension deal being discussed for police and fire with the city would likely be. You do 20 years for 50%no cola. After 20 years you go into a 401k. Kind of like N.Y.C. I'm guessing.
Every moronic idiot that voted for the "Lil Mikey", an egomaniac accountant, should be ashamed of themselves for having such poor judgment.
And that means you hair gels and retirees.
You should all have to wear a sign around your neck stating, "Yes, Im an idiot and I'm sorry"
Your judgment was so disgusting in voting for this goof that you should not be allowed to vote in the next election.
bring in Seiser
Ok he's suspended from FOP which was his daily duty...WTF is he doing now? Sitting at home getting paid for nothing AGAIN?!?!?!
scc, please be political and describe every upcoming candidate in as much detail as possible. this is in response to the first comment for this post. we dont want any sequels. it is not personal but i dont know everyone and id like to get to know my future fop reps that id possibly be voting in. no more secrets. if you are afraid of some skeletons then you shouldnt be running. good luck to candidates and current ones should all be gone.
BULL SHIT !
No body forgets to send the letter.
Corrupt/stupid
Wtf
exactly. chicago corruption at its best. i dont feel sorry for those naive, ignorant and selfish bastards who get in bed with the corrupt
Don't get me wrong shields is a IDIOT, but in the mean time we have to move forward although thankfully it is only temporary, Dougherty and company ARE NOT THE ANSWER.
This was a circus orchestrated by Donahue and that fat ass clown Kevin Graham, gee whose ticket are these clowns running on.
The letter thing was a set up!
the kid fell for it.
Don't forget we have a contract comitee. With plenty of experience and they each receive cash to handle the work.
Yet NO One knows a dam thing. So we have a bunch of CLOWNS taking are cash but not doing the work!
They should name their ticket Citywide VRI!
As to where Shields is going to go, a friend saw him and the Superintendent at the airport some months ago flying together being very buddy buddy. So I doubt he will not be taken care of.
How did the Sgt contract proposal that was sent to the members for a vote, and rejected,then end up being approved by the city council and become part of their new contract? Shield's may have issues, but he's right on this one.
Shields ur a fucken doushce!! thx for fucking us over
SCC: I'm sure one of the things Shield's is talking about is on page 16 of the Sgts arbitration agreement.
Other Operational Issues: All tentatively agreed to proposals to be incorporated in CBA. All proposals not tentatively agreed to are withdrawn.
OT --
Crime is down.
"A woman was blinded in a savage attack in Rogers Park by a man who stabbed her in the eyes and face, then cut the tendons in both her wrists and a major artery in her leg, police said.
"Officers responding to a battery call found the man standing over the 21-year-old woman around 6:20 a.m. in the 1600 block of West Touhy Avenue, police said.
"(Assailant) lives in the 6900 block of West Nelson Avenue in the Montclare neighborhood on the Northwest Side, police said."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-woman-blinded-in-rogers-park-knife-attack-20131219,0,3238335.story
...and here, the "Safe Passage" signs work again...
Girl, 15, beaten, assaulted: 'We've got somebody really bad out there' - Around 8 a.m., a neighbor went outside for a smoke and saw the girl sprawled on the ground in the back yard in the 2400 block of North Long Avenue. There was a pool of blood around her head and her pants were off. She didn't say anything but was moving slightly...in critical condition with severe head injuries...."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-girl-14-found-beaten-unconscious-near-safe-passage-route-on-nw-side-20131217,0,1130342.story
...and...
5 die from gunshot wounds in 18 hours in Chicago
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-gage-park-shooting-20131219,0,3050409.story
...and...
"A 16-year-old boy shot in the Little Village neighborhood this week died late Wednesday, officials said...."
...and...
"A woman was shot in the abdomen during a home invasion in the Humboldt Park neighborhood on the West Side Wednesday afternoon...."
"Sanctuary City?" For violent criminals, maybe...
You go, Rahm!
What district will sheilds be sent back too?
We should all be demanding a statement from Paul Geiger during this shit storm , distraction. I personally want Geiger to make a comment. I find Shields full of shit but I just find it strange this Paul Geiger is no where to be seen.
Anonymous said...
Ok, who’s next? Who do we have that is serious about running for FOP?
WE don’t need the “Oh, so-n-so is a great Copper”… Im not asking for a great Copper, WE need a great FOP PRESIDENT. Someone that knows Union law, someone that knows Contract Law and how to negotiate a Contract. Christfuck, someone that knows how to send out a fucking letter on time.
Right now, WE don’t need the “I didn’t vote for him” or the “I told you not to vote for that asshole”… Much like obama, that’s who we got, we’re getting fucked… Let’s figure WHO can get US out of this fucking mess!
WE know that we’re in the middle of a shit-storm, who can get us the fuck out of it?!?!
12/19/2013 02:43:00 AM
You made a cogent argument,but threw it all away when you mentioned Obama. Therein lies the problem,bringing in sh*t that has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand. FOCUS!
Saul and Danny. The Judas twins. Saul tells channel 2 that 'we're police officers, we deal in fact, not fiction'. Yeah, OK, Saul. You've been part of the FOP Fiction since Mike made the mistake of bringing you upstairs. Mike is clearly on to exposing something we (AND YOU) all know exists and you guys bail on a friend to save your own asses. Let's see how good you are at fact finding and solving cold cases when your ass gets bounced back to the unit. That's unless you've also been bought and paid for and make a return as field rep as reward for fucking over your friend. And Danny? I just don't know what to think about you. As a fellow Marine I am disgusted at how you left a brother in the crosshairs. Semper Fi ? More like Semper Fuck your buddy. All you punks need to be ousted. Did Mike fuck some things up? No doubt he did. But those things can be fixed over time. But no amount of time can undo the damage to your reputations as fakes and cowards. If things were getting so haywire that it led to this you mopes should have taken care of it before it got this bad. Your inaction when things really mattered shows your true ability and motivations. I don't know how you sleep at night. I hope Mike produces all the evidence he needs to sink the ship with you two cowards on board. But then again you'd be the guys pushing women and children out of the way to grab a life vest and boat to save your own sorry asses.
- PROUD Marine and retired CPD
Shields did a hell of alot more good than bad.
He will be reinstated. The infraction of not sending the letter is what it is and he and the other board members share that responsibility.
He is the most qualified member to spear head the pension fight!
Truth! You can't handle the truth!
So the State FOP who is lined up with Dougherty removes Shields without a hearing???
Dougherty is a jag bag for instigating this stunt.
If I recall correctley the city refused to share or give the arbitrator financial information requested by FOP during the last contract negotiation. If logic follows this the city tells the arbitrator we cant pay and you cant question it cause we aint openning the books for no one. so the arbitrator takes what answer the city gives makes his decision based on it but also said "that doesnt prevent the union from recouping lost wages at future contracts". Now RhAM whines same song and I'm gonna take more than I give and you'll all end up in Obama care cause I was behind it in the first place.
Remember, its just a job, not an adventure anymore. When you go home forget about the job.
Ted Street is a goof. This is the worst thing that could have happened.
Mark Donahue is making 3 salaries and Daugherty has been intertwined in FOP for far too long. He is not an asset and is part of the problem.
Why is there no transparency in contract negotiations?
Because past practice has always had side deals.
The City of Chicago is not our friend.
Dennis Rodman to attend next FOP meeting with a basketball delegation.
I asked the candidates attending roll call some pension questions...They could not answer them. Very scary.
Get Shields back!
The retirees will support and vote for Shields. They know that the real prize is.... our PENSION and not the 1% retro for year 2012.
The 1% retro is nothing without a secure future.
Jimmy Ade negotiated the Sergeants contract while smoking herb with a Jamaican taxi driver.
Can I get an event number?
To 12:45AM...Go away you TROLL,you can't be a Cop...and if you really are,well then...GO FUCK THYSELF.you MORON...........
PENSION! Pay attention.
If they're in vote them out. Don't trust any of the FOP officials.
Ever since the short lived Confederation of Police to the current FOP, the rank an file has been screwed by the some of the fat cats who "represent" us. Just look at how some of them were rewarded.
Rich Aguilar is very competent. Just ask him!
They already took Mikey off the Web-Site....I LOVE IT!!
NOW he can't run. Whoever is behind his plan is awesome! This is the kind of genius mind we need fighting the city on are behalf! Please take credit so I make sure to vote for you. Priceless..
The State FOP should mind their own business.
Conveniently Daugherty is the acting President.
Something stinks...
Whizzo says:
"Dooty, dooty, dooty...
Keep focusing on the letter.
Your Pension is secure.
You are now a chicken."
It wasn't a mistake that the letter wasn't sent. Do you know how much money Mikey saved the city in retro!
He made a deal with Rahm. And he also lied to the membership by stating he did send the letter on time.
Will all this silliness effect the annual FOP picnic? I'm finally RDO!
Dean Angelo Sr., lookout the 16" guns on the USS Donahure are changing sites from the USS Minnow to the USS Angelo. Your next on their hit list.
Make sure you fill your ticket with big boys your can take a punch and do not have a glass jaws. They'll wait to January then watchout the shells will be flying fast and furious.
Did Mark Donahue actually draw a petition to be on the ballot?
McCarthy called 911 to have mike removed from the Fop building. I think mike has lost his mind. May need to psyc him or force him to get some help before he throws his police career away.
I've never been to a meeting in my career... After reading the comments, I'm think I might be a potential front runner if I ran on the "I wasn't any part of it" campaign
Watch and see how fast Rahm is in Springfield trying to pass pension take backs from us. Can anyone find one (1) legislator that Donahue got to change their vote in the state's pension reform b.s. that was passed two weeks ago? The retiree's are an asset that can get on a bus and go to Springfield.
I was told that there was supposed to be a special board meeting this Friday. One of the things on that agenda was supposed to be amnesty to allow retirees back in the union.
Bill Dougtherty's first decision was to cancel that meeting until 7 Jan 14. Just far enough that they can approve it and just miss letting the retiree vote in the next election.
If Chicago pension reform passes in January the retirees will be on the busses to Springfield. Not to the capital but to the FOP hearing to throw this whole board out of office.
The only way that city hall controls any government worker is with jobs. Jobs for him/her and family members.
That is how the people in charge hold power over anyone.
Do you think it's loyalty that all these top tier bosses fell on thier swords for daley? Went to prison for him?
Daley and his family did not stay out of jail because they are smart. Duh.
Al Sanchez did not do time because he felt guilty. Etc. Etc. Etc.
Do Not Elect any future F.O.P. Official until they disclose all family members on the city payroll, and during their term of office disclose any and all family members either by blood or marriage who get hired, promoted, or reassigned.
That's the first place to start.
Sometimes payment is not cash directly.
The games continue!
At about noon today 911 was called to remove a suspended FOP president from the FOP hall.
Ref. event 1335306249. Criminal Tresspas in progress.
He was "texting" the Sun-Times while this volatile meeting is going on? Seriously, this guy has lost it. If he hasn't figured out during his time in office that the media, especially the Scum-Times, isn't our friend, than he truly is in need of psychiatric help.
I'll never forget my 20 min phone conversation nearly a year ago with FOP Rich Aguilar where he denied the letter incident telling me it never happened over and over that it's BS. SNAKE!
I have to say today so many people are saying finally! So many people saw this coming for Mike. Many many many people are feeling very vindicated this moment.
Even more of a reason to study hard and make Sgt. To get out of that ridiculous FOP union!
"Based on your dedication and duty to the welfare our City, your wage and work conditions must be our number one priority."
Now that is the biggest line of bullshit I've heard since this whole circus act started. Shields may be unfit to run the union, HOWEVER, our union has done absolutely NOTHING as far as improving wage and work conditions for us within the past 7 years. The whole board should resign and an outside audit needs to be conducted to go through every financial transaction done within the last decade. Thousands of grievances still sit unsettled- there's a dozen from my district alone which are over 2YRS OLD- a clear cut violation of basic contract protocol which should have been resolved in a few days; no raises- the last raise we had was negated by the increase in our state income tax so that was just money that went to directly to the thieves in springfield; continual diminishment of manpower with each passing year; time due denied- even after court ruled in our favor; substandard/broken equipment/deplorable work conditions (i.e. mold/sewage/cancer clusters in the stations); underfunded pension system including the 20 million owed by the city which FOP under Donahue forgave; illegitimate testing and promotional practices which have gone unchecked for YEARS.
We need to retain independent labor attorneys to do our contract negotiations- not political hacks who hold no interest for us as a union. There is no doubt in my mind that these contracts have been fixed and then negotiated under the false pretense of "good faith" bargaining. If you look back, the city has never really lost anything under these contracts; the same routine has always played out- we put our requests forth, they counter with something they know the union will reject, then we sit in limbo for years until it goes to an "arbitrator" who is supposed to make both sides give/take something. In the end, we always walk away with crumbs, while our union spins the new contract as a "win".
Take a look at the contract that gave us wage compression, 29 and a day, it eliminated the final 3% step raise at 30 years of service, but gave 75% pension, the city essentially dumps salaries and pension contributions as retirement rises.. This relieved the city of the 3% due anyone who was coming that step during the negotiation and in the future. The memorandum to allow retirement with paid health care wasnot in affect and officers felt safe in pulling the pin and paying for insurance only to find out later that insurance is going bye bye. The city wins on 2 fronts, dont have to pay step raise, officers at top tier retire at a higher than normal rate (and believe they'll be insured just cause they are paying their fare share). Next comes the 55 and out and the flood gates open, the city once again has top pay tier officers retiring at faster than normal rate with the promise of health care, which they will contest in the near future. City wins twice losing top salaried officers and no longer has to pay into pension fund for them and diminshes hiring saying look at the "stats". Next is the cry I can't pay for the pensions. Look i cant even give the latest retires born after 1955 the traditional 3% COLA. Lets face it we all wanna get out while we can live a while but those deals were to save the city money more than anything else. Maybe Shields is right it certainley looks like the city won.
Good riddance.
Sincerely 18th district
So let me get this straight,
the union president can get impeached for fucking up retro and hurling false allegations of corruption but the attorney who is just as responsible on both fronts is still employed?
WTF does Geiger need to do to get fired. Anyone who supports Geiger must be voted out of office.
Off Topic
Excellent article about a notorious Chicago villain
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2013/12/linda_taylor_welfare_queen_ronald_reagan_made_her_a_notorious_american_villain.html
And if his accusations/allegations in the Sun Times were true? Don't rule it out for a second. Unfortunately the truth will never come to light. Gonna trust anything DALEY and EMMANUEL say or do? Just a thought!!!
Where were the attorneys and Executive Board when these letters were to be filled? I feel as though the union sold out Shields. Now these goons will sell out their membership. Rahm and McCarthy are loving this right now. I feel as though the entire leadership is at fault--not just Shields!
Getting the blame for failure to provide a "letter of intent" should fall on Shields shoulders but what about Daugherty, Gorman, DiMaria, and Davis shouldn't they, as our elected guardians, shoulder some of the responsibility too. Vote all the scoundrels out.
Rahm is Balls Deep in the police and, is getting his hand picked guys ready for the ballot!!
The Teachers Union President has bigger balls then anyone at the FLOP!!
Rahm runs it!
It's very simple. They all must go.
012th District called to the FOP Hall at approximately 1230hrs TODAY.
Unknown if Shields was just there to clean out his office or what.
Perhaps someone in 012 knows.
Let's face it. Most of the FOP members don't know what's going on anyway. People don't care and will complain no matter what. This ha be a on going problem and until most of us get involved we'll never get it the way we want it. Typical coppers. Bitch and moan about everything, and do nothing.
Again more breaking Shields news...
Mikey showed up today at the FOP office after he call and said he was coming in for business and nobody better mess with him. So low and behold, Mikey "Blago" Shields ends up have the district on-duty's called to the office again to confront the trespassing in progress intruder. anyway, more shit will be forth coming.
WE know that we’re in the middle of a shit-storm, who can get us the fuck out of it?!?!
12/19/2013 02:43:00 AM
Let us start with a little legitimacy building then shall we? Maybe we need someone to run under the following stipulations:
1. That the new regime will immediately cut their pay scales down to something more agreeable, say president gets base Lt. pay, VP get base Sgt. pay and everyone else gets whatever pay scale they're at as patrolmen.
2. That there are only three vehicles available to the top 3 officials: 1 to the president, 1 between all VP's that stays at the lodge after hours and 1 for whoever goes out on shootings.
3. That all grievances found to be violation of the contract are taken to their fullest conclusion and no "bargaining" with members or refusal to take each grievance to it's full conclusion.
4. That all bargaining sessions and their topics, who was present and the next scheduled meeting on those topics are posted on the website and updated by the end close of that business day.
5. That the position of "past president" be eliminated.
7. That all bids for vacancies be posted in real time on the website including the timestamp of when the bid was correctly filed and that no "accidentally late postings" are granted a bid.
8. That all ambiguous language currently existing in the contract and all future contracts be clarified and accountable to the grievance procedure.
9. That all future board meetings are audio taped and held for a period of 1 year and available for review in FOP offices upon request, with the minutes of each meeting emailed to every member.
10. That the membership retains full right as to whom their lodge shall choose to lend political support to, rather than the board making that decision.
11. That any member elected to office be returned to their prior unit of assignment upon the conclusion of their term, and that no elected official be granted "merit" promotion from any eligibility list.
12. That a maximum term limit will apply to all officials elected and appointed to a maximum of 2 terms.
13. That the union be disallowed from promoting any legislation that negatively affects it's membership.
14. That the membership be made instantly aware via website of any contact with MLAS or city officials regarding alteration of programs covered by contract.
15. Anything else that will provide true transparency of office, eliminate the possibility of favoritism or corruption and promote trust between the membership and their representation.
The lodge's sole purpose is to benefit it's membership by way of contract negotiation and protection of it's membership rights within that contract, nothing else. No president should have the authority to demote, replace or eliminate an elected position without a full hearing and conviction of charges before the full board.
There are plenty of other items that could be added to the list, but at it's core, our bylaws need to be changed and clarified to remove doubt and the perception or availability of corruption within our union.
There should be no "power" in union representation other than that which collective bargaining should bring.
Shields, that chubby chuckle, better go to 005 or 006 or the Department and shields are a fraud - I live further north and went to 005 from MSF
HBT at the FOP hall?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
vote for Tom McDonough
12/19/2013 07:37:00 AM
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What did he leave in his room in Ohio?
Why did Kevin Graham move to another room?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Every moronic idiot that voted for the "Lil Mikey", an egomaniac accountant, should be ashamed of themselves for having such poor judgment.
And that means you hair gels and retirees.
You should all have to wear a sign around your neck stating, "Yes, Im an idiot and I'm sorry"
Your judgment was so disgusting in voting for this goof that you should not be allowed to vote in the next election.
12/19/2013 09:21:00 AM
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The CityWide Team will never win attacking 75% of the membership with posting like this. Or are you depending on Tracey Qualles to get out the vote to Mark Donahue's puppets back in power?
Lets not forget one simple fact. Mike told the members who attended the February 21, 2012 General Membership Meeting that he was going to send a demand letter. It's in the minutes of that meeting. The meeting was a week before the deadline. He and he alone failed to live up to his statement and responsibility as president of our Lodge.
The comments posted here about electing all candidates without any past FOP experience is dangerous. We all need to take a deep breath and realize that inexperience is exactly what failed us. There are some people on this Board who have performed their jobs well. They should stay while removing some of the dead wood. If you don't know who they are. Shame on you. You are as much a part of the problem as Shields.
Bullshit, they were all too busy enjoying the good life on OUR dime. Go answer a phone dummy..
What's the procedure for De- Certification of this union?
Off topic
I'm watching tv and a f/1is discussing how she gets 3,000 a mo. in SSI and 300 in food stamps . Not to mention no rent payment. Goes to school , doesnt work! Then a commercial for Paul Hall Center at 10140 S Halsted looking for donations at prime time 1648 hrs and again at 1650 hrs. (How much do those commercials cost?)
All this and they want to cut pensions.!! I'll be making less than someone who doesn't work and goes to school, after all my bills. WTF is wrong with this picture?
Now you know why civilians dislike government workers' unions so much. They did this to you guys as dues paying members, now imagine what it's like to be a normal citizen being tag teamed by both the politicians and the unions.
Well, our options for leadership from here are limited.. I regret that I did not go to meetings in the past. I, like many others, am ineligible to run for FOP office b/c of a lack of attended meetings.. Under these circumstances that are before us, I would hope they, FOP, rid the rule about "x" amount of meetings attended to run for office..After all, i'm an FOP member.. I am sickened by this chirade!
Sincerely,
H.G.
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Employees who want to vote a union out must circulate a petition calling for a decertification election. A sample petition is available below. They should not seek help from their employer, because the union can then complain that an unfair labor practice has tainted the election. Employees may take advantage of outside assistance, though. Signatures should be collected on non-work time and in non-work areas. It is important that the names of the union and the company be filled in before any signatures are collected.
It doesn’t matter why the employees are dissatisfied. But there are some timing issues that are important. The NLRB has a rule that a new union is given one year to represent the workers before a decertification election can be held. Unions that have already negotiated a contract for employees can usually be subjected to a decertification election near the expiration of the contract. Therefore, workers with an old union should start their decertification drive a few months prior to the expiration of their contract to be sure they don’t miss their window of opportunity.
If at least 30 percent of the workers in the bargaining unit sign the petition, then it must be sent to the NLRB’s closest regional office, along with a cover sheet, NLRB Form 502. Once the petitions have been received and validated, the NLRB will set a date for the decertification election, usually about 60 days in the future. Individuals on both sides may campaign to sway the employees. When the vote is held, if a majority of the workers who participate favor decertifying the union, or if the vote results in a tie, then the NLRB will officially remove the union’s recognition as the bargaining representative of the workers.
Mike is their scapegoat. They set him up. Get rid of all of the E. Board.
Anonymous said...
He was "texting" the Sun-Times while this volatile meeting is going on? Seriously, this guy has lost it. If he hasn't figured out during his time in office that the media, especially the Scum-Times, isn't our friend, than he truly is in need of psychiatric help.
12/19/2013 12:51:00 PM
Mike Shields has been leaking dirt on coppers the whole time he has been President to the Sun Times. Shields has a close relationship with the Sun Times especially. The whole time he has been President he has been trying to get gossip on everyone. Mike Shields think's he is Vladimir Putin during the KGB era of the FOP.
Mike Shields has self destructed. No one will ever trust the guy ever. He has done harm to the membership and himself to the highest degree. He ruined his own reputation.
Wouldn't that be something if back door deals were happening. Get in line behind me for the law suits.
Fuck You Shields!
Mike Shields leveled a blockbuster allegation, arbitration a are rigged between the FOP and the City which includes MLAS. Mikes proof, a conversation with Lodge attorney Paul Geiger. No other proof than this conversation, that was the proof given to Joe Ferguson. At the union meeting a tape was played from the Board meeting where none other than Paul Geiger said in a loud voice he never told Shields that. This is a typical Mike Shields media stunt. Shields never tells the I.G.he has any other proof, in numerous media interviews he never offers any other proof. If Shields had offered solid proof none of this would have happened. Shields does what Shields does he counts on our suspicion to fill in the blanks on total baseless allegations. Now to top everything off he is assigned to 019th District yet MLAS lets him pick the District he goes to.......the 018th District. MLAS who he accused of rigging the arbitration with the FOP. Why would they do Mike Shields a solid? Somebody in 018 should ask him if he ever shows up to work.
How did the Sgt contract proposal that was sent to the members for a vote, and rejected,then end up being approved by the city council and become part of their new contract? Shield's may have issues, but he's right on this one.
12/19/2013 10:10:00 AM
Omg. There are some stupid people on this job.. The Sgt.'s rejected the contract. It was then sent to arbitration where an arbitrator decided what the award was..
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'll never forget my 20 min phone conversation nearly a year ago with FOP Rich Aguilar where he denied the letter incident telling me it never happened over and over that it's BS. SNAKE!
12/19/2013 12:51:00 PM
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You missed spelled his name. It's Ag-u-liar. And in September he said at the mic that he an honest man. Because of that I call foul play on you. If he says he is honest than I believe every thing he says then.
Rich is retiring on 31 Dec 13. Frank DiMaria is retiring right after he is sworn in as V.P. Let's see how they tell the membership about that.
They are all horrible! All they care about is their personal power and the ridiculous fat pay check they get. They could care less about doing good for the members. They suck!
12/19/2013 01:17:00 PM
I agree 100%
Bill Dougtherty's first decision was to cancel that meeting until 7 Jan 14. Just far enough that they can approve it and just miss letting the retiree vote in the next election.
The meeting is scheduled for Jan 7, 2014. First Tuesday of every month. Nothing was scheduled or canceled.
Those who put their trust in unions and union bosses.
12/19/2013 12:37:00 AM
Care to finish your thought?
Wow...all you Shield haters, who was fairly elected, couldn't wait till March and vote him out? Instead the guys that lost the election, the citywide team, pull a coup and have shields removed with an election only 3 months away? Now you'll never get rid of them. You all will rue the day when you let this happen. I'm not a shields supporter but this is no better than the city administration. You all supporting this action are no different than Daley and Rahm and Madigan, all political whoreswho will sell to the highest bidder. You all beef about the unfairness of the city, the aldermen, the mayor yet you all condone the city wide team to basically nullify YOUR vote.......you all deserve what's coming to you.......
.....Fact #1 Shields stated at the General meeting that he knew about the "fixed contracts" on March 27, 2012.
Fact#2- He waits 18 months to write a letter to IG's Office and tells no one
Fact #3 Shields is a liar and is using this letter to make other officers look bad.
Why in the world does anyone in FOP offices make one cent more than a 1st class P.O.? They spend more time amassing and protecting their own perks than they do taking care of our business. Let' start from scratch. Most of the board are career house mice, testacularly challenged!
Dude... I think Shields has really lost it? Driving down Washington blvd today I observed Mike on the FOP rooftop twerking & singing "wrecking ball" ROTF
Anonymous said...
To 12:45AM...Go away you TROLL,you can't be a Cop...and if you really are,well then...GO FUCK THYSELF.you MORON...........
12/19/2013 11:27:00 AM
Wow. I didn't write that post but I and a thousand other readers were able to se it was meant to be sarcastic and humorous. Get a life, pal. Better yet, get some counseling...you are the moron!
Shields better go south or he should never think about running again. Go work in 4, 5 or 6 and travel from the north side and see how much it sucks
You know I'm really sick of hearing about letting retirees who failed to pay their dues back into the union.
I have been retired ten plus years and have paid my dues religiously. Right around four hundred bucks or so. So have about five thousand other retirees.
Now some group of about three hundred wants back in with the same rights as me while only paying forty bucks? Sorry guys it sounds like BS to me. It's an election year and you want to vote. I'd bet at least one pension check you would stop paying next year and want back in during the next election. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Two words- CONTRACT COMMITTEE. You are all at fault and you set Shields up! And- as for the Teamster Bullshit on this thread.....that's the Teamsters just trying to agitate. Union Urganizing 101. Don't fall for it FOP.
Hell without the heat.
Anonymous said...
Where were the attorneys and Executive Board when these letters were to be filled? I feel as though the union sold out Shields. Now these goons will sell out their membership. Rahm and McCarthy are loving this right now. I feel as though the entire leadership is at fault--not just Shields!
12/19/2013 02:51:00 PM
Shields was told more than once by more than one person to send the letter. he didn't for reasons known only to him. What should the other officers do? Send the letter on their own without his knowledge? It needed the signature of the Union President for Christ sake. Of course others knew it had to go in. Of course they know it was going to be a cluster fuck. Ask them why they didn't just sign his name and get it done. I would have. As it is, it turned into a $20 million or so mistake.
Shields has never adequately explained why he didn't send it. Even the civilians there knew it was supposed to go in. The secretary's he fired all knew that.
Turns out, they guy was a train wreck from Day 1.
Anonymous said...
So the State FOP who is lined up with Dougherty removes Shields without a hearing???
Dougherty is a jag bag for instigating this stunt.
12/19/2013 10:53:00 AM
He has a hearing scheduled AFTER he was suspended and removed from office. I have been trying for two days to find out chapter and verse that gives the State Lodge President the authority to summarily suspend and remove from office an elected lodge president. Unsuccessfully.
I cannot find a copy of the state FOP constitution/bylaws. It is not available online without a user name/password.
They are calling this an "extreme situation" which it probably was. There is more we don't know about. It isn't such a bad thing Mike was removed. Something is wrong with that boy.
A new election in three months anyway. We can make it till then.
Anonymous said...
We should all be demanding a statement from Paul Geiger during this shit storm , distraction. I personally want Geiger to make a comment. I find Shields full of shit but I just find it strange this Paul Geiger is no where to be seen.
12/19/2013 10:40:00 AM
Shields says Geiger told him the contracts were rigged. Shields cites that as "proof." However, Geiger states, on tape, at the last board meeting that he had nothing to do with the past several contract negotiations so someone is talking out of their ass. Maybe a number of someone's.
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Last, but not least, what's wrong with a little medicinal marijuana?
Does anyone know if that tea works? You know, the one that's supposed to clean your pee?
12/19/2013 12:45:00 AM
What do you do with medical marijuana, smoke it or piss on it?
What's wrong with retiring at 62? That's the minimum age for social security. There are many professions that involve manual labor that have to wait until 65. Gone are the days of working 20 years and collecting a pension for 45. Sorry, it's not economically viable.
People are living longer. There are less cops to pay into the pension, less people in the state paying taxes. Soon private sector employees will be working to 67-70 and getting social security of $20-30k.
Should pensions be capped at 1x social security? 2x?
Getting quadruple social security for working half the years is fucked up.
12/19/2013 05:53:00 AM
Up yours! Sorry if you picked the wrong profession . You want a 62 year old worn out copper chasing your offenders? Good luck with that!
Teamsters? Ask anyone who came over from the county about the teamsters. They are a bigger joke than all this nonsense going on at fop.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off topic from the rumor mill...Just heard the if Rauner becomes governor the pension deal being discussed for police and fire with the city would likely be. You do 20 years for 50%no cola. After 20 years you go into a 401k. Kind of like N.Y.C. I'm guessing.
12/19/2013 09:20:00 AM
NYC has the 20 years but after 20 you can retire, at any age, and go get a second career. Plenty would go for that here I guess. Come on at 21 and get out at 41. NYPD has OT pensionable the last year or two. Not sure what other differences.
I didn't vote for Shields, but it seems like there is a concerted effort to paint the guy as unbalanced. To those doing this, why not just tell us why you don't agree with what he is alleging? Convince the rest of us he is wrong. Makes one wonder if there is some truth to what he states.
Brings to mind a quote from Gandhi, "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
I have always been suspicious of the dealings between the FOP board and the City. Heard that the FOP heads and the City trade deals all the time om placing people in units, etc.
A real eye-brow raiser was a few years ago. An ODPO got caught for DUI. Refused to blow for the criminal, but blew for the department. CCSAO got the ODPO's department blow results and used it at his criminal trial.
Anyway the FOP says it appealed the case to the State Supreme Court, but lost. Time on the case was real short. Suspiciously short. Wonder if FOP flushed this case as a favor to the City.
So for Mikey's allegation that we were stabbed in the back by our own in exchange for silver, I wouldn't doubt it at all. But the scum involved in it are too sharp to leave a paper trail. They learned well from the Daleys.
Legit people. Mike really acted nuts today at fop office.
He is a person who has lost total control and can not face his own demise. He is all about power. Now its gone and he has no one to stand with besides his own family whom he has pissed on as well. God bless Mike and Just know you asked for this. Learn one thing. The status and title pf President means nothing unless you use you power properly. You abused everything.
Anonymous said...
What's wrong with retiring at 62? That's the minimum age for social security. There are many professions that involve manual labor that have to wait until 65. Gone are the days of working 20 years and collecting a pension for 45. Sorry, it's not economically viable.
People are living longer. There are less cops to pay into the pension, less people in the state paying taxes. Soon private sector employees will be working to 67-70 and getting social security of $20-30k.
Should pensions be capped at 1x social security? 2x?
Getting quadruple social security for working half the years is fucked up.
12/19/2013 05:53:00 AM
Hey genius,when a family member of yours is brutally being beaten in public by some animal do you REALLY want some old 60 something cop getting that job?
Mikey would throw a brick thru his own window to get attention. Great quote in the paper and so accurate. Mike likes any attention, even if its bad. He just wants to be loved. No joke will someone clarify if they actually took his star amd gun?
Please dont vote for the guy who defecates on hotel floors. Hes a drunk who needs help.
Shields, that chubby chuckle, better go to 005 or 006 or the Department and shields are a fraud - I live further north and went to 005 from MSF
12/19/2013 04:30:00 PM
That's the problem with this department, because you got fucked everyone else has to too.
Everyone on the Board of Directors failed us. Everyone was so busy keeping their job that they forgot to do their job. The "retro letter" scandal was just the most visible fuck-up and when we told the truth about it over a year ago, we were lambasted by many of those expressing shock and dismay today. It is our studied opinion that too many of the current Board let a megalomaniac run unchecked for too many years for the sake of political gain and 10,000-plus coppers along with 6,000-plus retirees paid the price. This is not easily forgiven.
To not easily forgiven or forgotten Shields had the votes and controlled the board what would you have done to affect a different outcome????????
Anonymous said...
I still think Mike Shields deserves a fair hearing and another chance. He's still getting my vote for another term.
I, for one, feel we as police officers make too much money and maybe we should even ask legislators to lower our pension benefits and increase our contributions, while raising the minimum retirement age to 55 with a minimum of 25 years.
We should all pile into the districts with the highest need for police presence and service to let our citizens and residents know they come first, while making sure to use as little force as possible and always provide service with a smile.
Last, but not least, what's wrong with a little medicinal marijuana?
Does anyone know if that tea works? You know, the one that's supposed to clean your pee?
12/19/2013 12:45:00 AM
Hey Rick King is that you, Dennis Doherty, Bill Burns, John Lipka, Mike Underwood, dan shields or Al Jaglowski because that is all that is left of your sinking ship. Rest assured that your part timer is intact.Thanks Mike and Dan.
Hey genius,when a family member of yours is brutally being beaten in public by some animal do you REALLY want some old 60 something cop getting that job?
Which is why in the old days we kept our old timers inside. Instead we have two young 30 somethings working upstairs in 012 and assigned to foot posts. One is suppose to be on midnights. WTF. Then they want to know why all the old timers are pissed in 012.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
We should all be demanding a statement from Paul Geiger during this shit storm , distraction. I personally want Geiger to make a comment. I find Shields full of shit but I just find it strange this Paul Geiger is no where to be seen.
12/19/2013 10:40:00 AM
Shields says Geiger told him the contracts were rigged. Shields cites that as "proof." However, Geiger states, on tape, at the last board meeting that he had nothing to do with the past several contract negotiations so someone is talking out of their ass. Maybe a number of someone's.
12/19/2013 10:53:00 PM
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How come that Geiger is still working for the FOP?
Isn't he the one that was accused of sexual harrassment of a secretary over there?
You've been trying to get the constitution and by-laws but can't because they are password protected? You're either not a copper or you're not registered to access the site.
If it's the former, fuck you and stay out of our business. If it's the latter, you're as much a part of the problem as the jagoff that got launched. Another guy who wants to complain, but hasn't made any effort to get involved.
Up yours! Sorry if you picked the wrong profession . You want a 62 year old worn out copper chasing your offenders? Good luck with that!
12/19/2013 11:01:00 PM
Gimme a break! How different is a 62 year old cop from a 49 year old cop? There are some 62 year olds in much better shape than 50 year olds. Hell, in better shape than some 30 year olds. You ever see some of those old guys running the Chicago Marathon?
Age has nothing to do with it. How does a 59 year old survive other (and even more) physically intensive jobs?
Instead of whining about the problem, How about a solution?
Pair the old guy with a young guy in the car?
If this 68 year old female 5'5" and 122lbs can carry 60lbs up a ladder and be a firefighter-
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/andrea-peterson-firefighter-68-years-old_n_2649236.html
You telling me you cant chase a bad guy 2 blocks?
If so many old guys are that out of shape maybe there should be less time in a patrol car and more physical training?
I didn't vote for Shields, but it seems like there is a concerted effort to paint the guy as unbalanced. To those doing this, why not just tell us why you don't agree with what he is alleging? Convince the rest of us he is wrong.
Are you really the police? Convince you that he's wrong. What happened to show us some proof? Facts? He lied to try and get elected. What don't you get.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So let me get this straight,
the union president can get impeached for fucking up retro and hurling false allegations of corruption but the attorney who is just as responsible on both fronts is still employed?
WTF does Geiger need to do to get fired. Anyone who supports Geiger must be voted out of office.
12/19/2013 01:34:00 PM
Dougherty and Geiger are attached at the hip. Dougherty does exactly what Geiger tells him. This will proven very shortly when Bill trys to stop Geiger from being fired.
Anonymous said...
Teamsters? Ask anyone who came over from the county about the teamsters. They are a bigger joke than all this nonsense going on at fop.
12/19/2013 11:14:00 PM
The Union rarely call anyone back. You can't get the Teamsters to do anything.
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Employees who no longer want a union to represent them — whether it’s because the union is undemocratic, corrupt, violent, or just plain inept — are entitled to seek an election to determine if a majority of their coworkers want to drop the union. Such elections, which are conducted by the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB), are known as “decertification elections.”
Employees who want to vote a union out must circulate a petition calling for a decertification election. A sample petition is available below. They should not seek help from their employer, because the union can then complain that an unfair labor practice has tainted the election. Employees may take advantage of outside assistance, though. Signatures should be collected on non-work time and in non-work areas. It is important that the names of the union and the company be filled in before any signatures are collected.
It doesn’t matter why the employees are dissatisfied. But there are some timing issues that are important. The NLRB has a rule that a new union is given one year to represent the workers before a decertification election can be held. Unions that have already negotiated a contract for employees can usually be subjected to a decertification election near the expiration of the contract. Therefore, workers with an old union should start their decertification drive a few months prior to the expiration of their contract to be sure they don’t miss their window of opportunity.
If at least 30 percent of the workers in the bargaining unit sign the petition, then it must be sent to the NLRB’s closest regional office, along with a cover sheet, NLRB Form 502. Once the petitions have been received and validated, the NLRB will set a date for the decertification election, usually about 60 days in the future. Individuals on both sides may campaign to sway the employees. When the vote is held, if a majority of the workers who participate favor decertifying the union, or if the vote results in a tie, then the NLRB will officially remove the union’s recognition as the bargaining representative of the workers.
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Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
What's wrong with retiring at 62? That's the minimum age for social security. There are many professions that involve manual labor that have to wait until 65. Gone are the days of working 20 years and collecting a pension for 45. Sorry, it's not economically viable.
People are living longer. There are less cops to pay into the pension, less people in the state paying taxes. Soon private sector employees will be working to 67-70 and getting social security of $20-30k.
Should pensions be capped at 1x social security? 2x?
Getting quadruple social security for working half the years is fucked up.
12/19/2013 05:53:00 AM
I would gladly take a 401k with the money I contributed and the city multiplier instead. I'd have a couple million in there.
its like the Cohen ballad Everybody Knows............
its like a government issued sh*t sandwich served ala carta now everybody take a bite........
Save CPD Pension
1. End Gold Braid Pension
2.Pension based on rank earned , not appointed XO, Merit Lt.or SGT
3.raise minimum retirement age to 55 , mandatory 65
4.COLA starts at age 63
5.Officers on duty disability that are able to work be assigned to inside office jobs at full pay.
Anonymous said...
You've been trying to get the constitution and by-laws but can't because they are password protected? You're either not a copper or you're not registered to access the site.
If it's the former, fuck you and stay out of our business. If it's the latter, you're as much a part of the problem as the jagoff that got launched. Another guy who wants to complain, but hasn't made any effort to get involved.
12/20/2013 06:51:00 AM
You dumb fuck. Not Chicago Lodge 7 but the State Lodge, Constitution/bylaws are behind a firewall which requires a user name and password issued BY THE STATE FOP since it is locked down on the State Lodge FOP server! I emailed them a copy of ID and the reason and they sent me confirmation. Now I can get in.
What's your state issued user name/password for the state website?
I've been to FOP meetings while you were in diapers.
Fucking moron.
Anonymous said...
Hey genius,when a family member of yours is brutally being beaten in public by some animal do you REALLY want some old 60 something cop getting that job?
12/20/2013 05:24:00 AM
It depends on which family member.
We should all be demanding a statement from Paul Geiger during this shit storm , distraction. I personally want Geiger to make a comment. I find Shields full of shit but I just find it strange this Paul Geiger is no where to be seen.
He gave his statement.He said he had no knowledge of any deals being made.
Next comes the 55 and out and the flood gates open, the city once again has top pay tier officers retiring at faster than normal rate with the promise of health care, which they will contest in the near future. City wins twice losing top salaried officers and no longer has to pay into pension fund for them and diminshes hiring saying look at the "stats". Next is the cry I can't pay for the pensions. Look i cant even give the latest retires born after 1955 the traditional 3% COLA. Lets face it we all wanna get out while we can live a while but those deals were to save the city money more than anything else. Maybe Shields is right it certainley looks like the city won.
12/19/2013 01:23:00 PM
The city will continue to win.The city actually has professional,experienced people negotiating the contracts for them. Us? We have .......you get the point?
Bye bye Mike.
sincerely;
Former CHA Police
Dear Dumbfuck from MSF.
You were assigned to mobile stroke force with 2 years in the job. When you were "assigned" you were shit out of luck with that little time. Next time you are working in a nice area that's close to home, don't fuck it up to go to a place with no plays and a bunch of handjobs like yourself. No amount of crying will add more time to seniority date or change the fact that you really didn't get fucked.
Anonymous said...
Well, our options for leadership from here are limited.. I regret that I did not go to meetings in the past. I, like many others, am ineligible to run for FOP office b/c of a lack of attended meetings.. Under these circumstances that are before us, I would hope they, FOP, rid the rule about "x" amount of meetings attended to run for office..After all, i'm an FOP member.. I am sickened by this chirade!
Sincerely,
H.G.
12/19/2013 05:31:00 PM
If you have no desire to attend meetings and have not involved yourself as a watch rep or unit rep than what makes you think on the last day you walk in and throw your hat into the rink?
Anonymous said...
I still think Mike Shields deserves a fair hearing and another chance. He's still getting my vote for another term.
I, for one, feel we as police officers make too much money and maybe we should even ask legislators to lower our pension benefits and increase our contributions, while raising the minimum retirement age to 55 with a minimum of 25 years.
We should all pile into the districts with the highest need for police presence and service to let our citizens and residents know they come first, while making sure to use as little force as possible and always provide service with a smile.
Last, but not least, what's wrong with a little medicinal marijuana?
Does anyone know if that tea works? You know, the one that's supposed to clean your pee?
12/19/2013 12:45:00 AM
Hey Rick King is that you, Dennis Doherty, Bill Burns, John Lipka, Mike Underwood, dan shields or Al Jaglowski because that is all that is left of your sinking ship. Rest assured that your part timer is intact.Thanks Mike and Dan.
12/20/2013 02:46:00 AM
Are you serious you think he needs a break what about all the officers who are going to loose thousands of dollar? Perhaps if you dig into your pockets and compensate everyone then we might think about it. Or should we wait until he burns the building down. He has destroyed so much of the image of what we have worked for and embarrassed us nationally and made accusations without a stich of proof other than he was told by and then when questioned Geiger said he knew nothing. So you don't think we have a problem?
You can say all you want about he was set up and it was a ploy or any excuse you come up with, Shields has totally screwed things up royally, no one else is to be blamed. And if you named trustees and sergeant at arms don't wake up perhaps you need to go for help yourselves.
Anonymous said...
Decertify the FOP and get the TEAMSTERS. State Police did and are happy with very good benifits.
12/19/2013 05:56:00 AM
You must have the medical marijuana card, State Police are FOP Lodge 41 you teamster burnout.
The only people on this blog defending Shields are the ones employed by him or his brother. Some board members employed by Shields or his brother and are voting with Shields even if it is not in the best interest of the membership, that is called personal gain, a clear violation of the oath of office each one of you took and swore to subjecting yourself to a penalty of expulsion from the FOP, so help me GOD. FOP Oath of Office
I (state your name), in the presence of the members of the Fraternal Order of Police here assembled, do promise and swear, that I will comply with all the rules of this order, that I will not use the authority invested in me for personal gain.
Should I violate this, my solemn oath, I hereby bind myself under no less a penalty than that of being impeached from office and expelled from the Order.
To all of which I promise and swear, so help me God.
Anonymous said...
I didn't vote for Shields, but it seems like there is a concerted effort to paint the guy as unbalanced. To those doing this, why not just tell us why you don't agree with what he is alleging? Convince the rest of us he is wrong.
Are you really the police? Convince you that he's wrong. What happened to show us some proof? Facts? He lied to try and get elected. What don't you get.
12/20/2013 07:53:00 AM
That's how you convince us he is wrong, show us proof, with facts, don't just call the guy names.
And you ask if I am really the police.
12/19/2013 05:53:00 AM
I would gladly take a 401k with the money I contributed and the city multiplier instead. I'd have a couple million in there.
12/20/2013 09:13:00 AM
Who wouldn't but thats the problem. The city didnt contribute the multiplier to the pension. If they had been paying into the fund the last 30 year there would be no pension problem
Anonymous said...
Well, our options for leadership from here are limited.. I regret that I did not go to meetings in the past. I, like many others, am ineligible to run for FOP office b/c of a lack of attended meetings.. Under these circumstances that are before us, I would hope they, FOP, rid the rule about "x" amount of meetings attended to run for office..After all, i'm an FOP member.. I am sickened by this chirade!
Sincerely,
H.G.
12/19/2013 05:31:00 PM
You should be allowed to run for office? Oh yeah? The requirement is not that stiff, half the meetings, 5 a year qualifies you. It isn't enough in my opinion. I've been going for 26 years. Unit rep for 9 years. I always carry a contract book with me, in the squad car or personal car, at home that contract is on the computer.
To run for office you should have that thing about memorized. Then the contract needs to be interpreted. Plus the bylaws.
When an officer asks a question they don't need someone to simply read the contract to them. Frank DiMaria does that. They want someone to tell them what it means, how it applies to their circumstances. You need to know about arbitration decisions too. That is like the supreme court of contract disputes.
So sure, go run for office you know nothing new kid on the block. Who would you help with your striking lack of knowledge?
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