Another Lawsuit (UPDATE)
- Three people who claim Chicago Police strip-searched them in public and falsely accused them of carrying heroin during a traffic stop last year are suing the city, calling the officers’ actions “exceeding all bounds of human decency.”
Caprice Halley, Tevin Ford and a representative for the estate of Robert Douglas filed the suit in U.S. District Court Wednesday.
"...the estate of...?" That's entertaining.
Does anyone have an actual count of how many nuisance suits are filed against the City and Department on an annual basis? It has to be thousands. And does anyone know how much the City spends to settle these suits, without ever "admitting blame" or actually putting on a case? Millions we're sure.
The only (and we mean ONLY) good thing J-Fled ever did was encourage City Hall to fight these suits. Because the City actually started winning them. And winning them handily. Once plaintiff attorneys began to realize they'd have to work for their money with shitty cases, they stopped taking them.
As soon as Rahm took over, he announced that the previous policy of fighting cases would be dropped - because you know, plaintiff attorneys make largish contributions to democratic political reelection campaigns. And here's the result.
UPDATE: To the obviously delusional commentator who claims, "J-Fled gave us rifles, too," we weep for your poor uninformed brain. J-Feld did not "give" us anything. Daley needed to have a few hundred officers qualified on rifles as part of the Olympic package bid. Therefore, the idea of "patrol rifles," which had been proposed dozens of times over the course of our careers (and utilized by thousands of departments nationwide) was finally brought into being. J-Fled had about as much to do with it as you do making the sun rise in the east every morning.
UPDATE: Another mistaken commentator:
Left us alone? Did you forget the "town hall" style meeting he held citywide while Aunt Bea took notes and names of those complaining? And the vengeance that was taken against those foolish enough to speak out? Or Cozzi? And the accountability meetings (precursor to CompStat)? J-Fled was an egotistical asshole who took credit because he happened to be in the big chair when the logjam broke because Shortshanks needed the Olympics to conceal the massive financial mismanagement that was coming into view and that we see today.
Does anyone have an actual count of how many nuisance suits are filed against the City and Department on an annual basis? It has to be thousands. And does anyone know how much the City spends to settle these suits, without ever "admitting blame" or actually putting on a case? Millions we're sure.
The only (and we mean ONLY) good thing J-Fled ever did was encourage City Hall to fight these suits. Because the City actually started winning them. And winning them handily. Once plaintiff attorneys began to realize they'd have to work for their money with shitty cases, they stopped taking them.
As soon as Rahm took over, he announced that the previous policy of fighting cases would be dropped - because you know, plaintiff attorneys make largish contributions to democratic political reelection campaigns. And here's the result.
UPDATE: To the obviously delusional commentator who claims, "J-Fled gave us rifles, too," we weep for your poor uninformed brain. J-Feld did not "give" us anything. Daley needed to have a few hundred officers qualified on rifles as part of the Olympic package bid. Therefore, the idea of "patrol rifles," which had been proposed dozens of times over the course of our careers (and utilized by thousands of departments nationwide) was finally brought into being. J-Fled had about as much to do with it as you do making the sun rise in the east every morning.
UPDATE: Another mistaken commentator:
- i don't agree with your assessment of "the only good thing" Jodi Weis did....He got us Rifles (no Chicago guy would have ever done that, EVER)Oh and the Striker fire pistols like Springfield XD & Glock. we also got a 4 day work week under his tenure. (remember 6 days in a row?) We got tasers , the Chevy Tahoe , extra training , and thats off the top of my head. Most importantly he LEFT US ALONE. no compost meetings, pressure for #'s etc. Shit id trade McEgo or Cline and day for Weis.
Left us alone? Did you forget the "town hall" style meeting he held citywide while Aunt Bea took notes and names of those complaining? And the vengeance that was taken against those foolish enough to speak out? Or Cozzi? And the accountability meetings (precursor to CompStat)? J-Fled was an egotistical asshole who took credit because he happened to be in the big chair when the logjam broke because Shortshanks needed the Olympics to conceal the massive financial mismanagement that was coming into view and that we see today.
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There's video on this one SCC... Caught red handed, is it really worth that dope pinch? Especially booty dope lol
ha, tevin ford. what a little jerk who use to screw around in 008. hope he gets zero... he should get nothing because tevin is one of the dumbest people in the world and should get destroyed by any decent attorney worth his/her salt. I would pay money to see tevin ford infront of a jury...laughable
I got sued in Federal Court. Weiss said fight it. We won. Asshole appealed, City fought the appeal too. We won again. Asshole went two rounds and didn't make a penny, his lawyer had to foot the bills. Under Rahm they would have paid. Fuck that, I told the truth, asshole lied like hell. It felt great to win in court. Twice.
How is the frivolous? It sure looks like they have this subject drop his pant in public view.
Well I hate to say it, based on the video I saw on Channel 5. I think the coppers are wrong. I mean handcuffing the dude to the building and pulling his pants down in the field. Looking up his butt, come on guys. When are we, especially the young guys gonna learn. This society does not want us to take drugs off the street. They all hate us, I learned a long time ago to just do as little as possible. Definitely don't stick your neck out....for what??? A little dope pinch....let them keep their shit, cause we are definitely not gonna get the support of the community on this one....or the so called war on drugs, which is the biggest joke ever...
I seen them showing video footage on the News.
OT:
FROM: Garry McCarthy
TO: 011 P'S
I want to thank you for your obedience in arresting anything and everything with a heart beat in 011. I think of you as I snuggle in my blankey sipping on my hot chocolate with marshmallows. Keep up the good work.
Estate ????
I smell moorish nation.
Da Mayor understands the way of these suits, and is taking the proper course for all concerned.
Signed affidavit or not, the video will prove to be the most damning evidence against these officers.
This is where "Gray Area" intersects with "The Numbers Game". Now add in lack of supervision for the perfect trifecta.
This type of shit hits the news from time to time because impressionable kids with no time on the job who want to play SuperCop aren't smart enough to not "illegally strip search" the occupants of a vehicle stopped under questionable pretenses. Or as the plaintiffs' bottom-feeding attorney alleges was "rape". In broad daylight, to boot.
I'll bet everything I own that the involved officers' supervisors will do anything and everything in their power to distance themselves from this catastrophe-in-progress. And unless clouted, these officers are going to soon learn an invaluable life lesson courtesy of a flawed system designed to make them scapegoats.
I wish them the best of luck in a situation that sucks anyway it gets sliced. Hopefully they'll come to the realization that playing the dope game ain't worth the trouble just to keep from working a beat car on first watch. Most are used to make supervisors look good, nothing more. Supervisors that won't remember who the fuck they are and will deny under oath that they said "the lieutenant wants 5 heads per team tonight".
There is nothing special about being able to wear jeans to work to lock up loiterers, drinkers and someone with two bags of weed. Tactical, 06 and assorted hidden "Mission Cars" have been out of vogue for quite some time. And anyone who says the "perks" make it worth the risks have never been in the shoes of officers like this present bunch.
Good luck to all involved. Rant/OFF.
Ot: Bratton is back in NY as the police commissioner. Whats the first thing he says? Quality not quantity. Did we just not hear that at last weeks compstat meeting? Head and done is over? What a stroke McCarthy is.
i don't agree with your assessment of "the only good thing" Jodi Weis did....He got us Rifles (no Chicago guy would have ever done that, EVER)Oh and the Striker fire pistols like Springfield XD & Glock. we also got a 4 day work week under his tenure. (remember 6 days in a row?) We got tasers , the Chevy Tahoe , extra training , and thats off the top of my head. Most importantly he LEFT US ALONE. no compost meetings, pressure for #'s etc. Shit id trade McEgo or Cline and day for Weis.
Weis was a lot better for us than McJersey
By a long shot
I have it on pretty good authority from a retired gold star friend that Jody di push the four day work schedule. He thought we would like him them. That is just pathetic.
We wait for cars every day because of this schedule. Hundreds of police officers a day sitting on their asses, for hours sometimes, every shift because ...we wait for cars. Nobody drives the same car every day because of the overlap so they treat them like pool cars. Beat tags get lost every day because of the switching. Start roll call on time? Why bother when there are no cars to send them out. Great idea Jodi. You were really pathetic.
Didn't Daley establish the policy that NO SETTLEMENTS would be offered to those frivilous law suits? I thought he ordered they all go to trial, so those scumbag lawyers learn they are futile and not worth the filing fee?
I thought that frivilous law suits decreased exponentially after that. Someone help me...did Rham eliminate that order?
Off topic but important....
To anyone who thinks John kass is on the side of the police (or understands the police use of force model), look no further than today's article.
John.... Fuck off!!!!
You illicit comments from Ekl and Loevy regarding the veteran who was shot by police???
Gee, I wonder if they would give an unbiased opinion-yeah fucking right!!!
You purposely sought out the 2 biggest police suers out there, meaning you shopped for anti police opinions for your anti police article.
You are a typical media hack. I don't give a flying fuck what police causes you supported in the past.
Oh by the way, its not our job to get stabbed by a knife wielding psycho-veteran or not
Very well said SCC. We have a lot of delusional cops on the job who believe in fantasy concerning JFled, who like this guy now, are the worst things that have ever happened to CPD>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/24/rahm-emanuel-city-lawsuit_n_3982809.html
All this for a simple bag of dope,i would bet that the bosses and fellow officers tell these accused officers "its no big thing" but when these officers step back and realize all this just for a 'head' i hope they learned something...But again there is 100 other officers doing the same thing.....
Be careful what you wish for. While it sucks to not get your so-called day in court, punitive damages can never be awarded when a case is settled. Personally, I'll take the settlement every time.
I'm sorry, but in twenty years nobody ever convinced me that going that far for a bag of dope was ever worth it.
If you want to go around digging in a ghetto rat's ass for a rock, you're a sick fuck. Knowing that the DEA lets cartel members deal in this town to nail another cartel makes it even dumber.
I know that things need to be done to stay safe in the hood when you deal with violent predators, but this just isn't one of them.
Use your heads out there. Even savages have constitutional rights. Don't be Rahm's Gestapo.
But Weis this and Weis that. Back to the topic at hand: cops handing out ghetto lotto winnings in horrifying fashion
Great pinch guy's!
"...the estate of...?" That's entertaining.
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I think he most likely been shot dead (killt) by some wayward gun.
Now go out there and get some contact cards for McJibber.
J-Fled and McDrunk are both pussy outsiders who will never represent Chicago. Rahm is a suburban pussy outsider as well.
Enough said on that. Now chasing one bag dope arrests is stupid any way you look at it. Stop jeopardizing your freedom for a loser war on drugs.
I'll bet everything I own that the involved officers' supervisors will do anything and everything in their power to distance themselves from this catastrophe-in-progress
News flash, the Sergeant is on the scene. He's the guy walking around talking on the phone. How can he distance himself from anything?
No on view drug arrests starting NOW.
Bring Jody back!
Cline and McCarthy have destroyed this department. Cline brought us all of the past 14 years worth of merit clout hacks while filling his face and his pockets. McCarthy is laughable.
Nothing good comes from policework!
Thanks for the updates, SCC. Every time some asshole bashes McDumbass, and then says that he wishes we would've kept J-Fled, I step in and say that he was a coward and to remember Cozzi.
Cozzi lived and breathed CPD and J-Fled fucked him, and fucked him good. To all you assholes that defend J-Fled I say FUCK YOU.
He also ran away during a shots fired call that was blocks away. What a tool.
I Fart In Your General Direction said...
This type of shit hits the news from time to time because impressionable kids with no time on the job who want to play SuperCop aren't smart enough to not "illegally strip search" the occupants of a vehicle stopped under questionable pretenses. Or as the plaintiffs' bottom-feeding attorney alleges was "rape". In broad daylight, to boot.
This coincides nicely with some buzz I intercepted recently at an interagency meeting. ISP forensics lab has added a simple test to determine if fecal matter exists on narcotics evidence when it's being weighed and analyzed by them. A 29-cent swab and vial will instantly detect the presence of fecal matter and whether it is of human or animal origin. Seems a handful of lab employees were regularly getting sick (ecoli, etcetera) and thru a series of tests they concluded that a lot of drugs being tested had been exposed to human excrement. They have established a data base to cross reference who inventoried the drugs, name of offender, CPD report number and evidence/inventory number. They claim the system was established to be able to warn arresting officers of possible exposure to communicable diseases, but you can bet your ass they will use it to trick bag someone, especially when claims of illegal search and seizure surface.
- ASA who comes from a police family
Striker fire weapons were here before Jody.
I am a retired Lieutenant. I always told the officers that would listen, the next big scandal would be the filming of street stops. What percentage of arrest for drugs are outright illegal searches and perjury? Protect yourself and know the law. Putting your career on the line for a bullshit head just is not worth it. I just cannot believe it has not happened sooner. Reconsider your actions and give the public what they want...nothing.
J-Fled the fame whore? Let's see, he sent a copper to the joint who already served his penalty. He sided with IPA on every case they filed for dismissal and or heavy suspension time regardless of his top 3 non concurring with the rulings. Tahoes? Really? They suck....he let pita met out all discipline and signed off on everything they did ....... J-Fled was an abomination to this job as was Clime and now McBully.....
these officers are about to learn how the department treats people who are videotaped doing something and it hits the main stream media--- probably not criminally charged but definitely a bonus furlo of 15-30 days--- just keep your heads up and take it one day at a time--- you will find out who your true friends are--- it is not the slithering den of snakes on the fifth floor at 3510 s. michigan....
didn't al wysinger tell officers to grow a set of balls and get rid of the alligator arms--- here are some officers in trouble who were obviously chasing heads working for some boss--- you going to back them up big al or do they get thrown under the bus...
All I can say is: "Act like there is a camera everywhere!" Work smart, don't do dumb shit, it is not worth it! Bad guy today is bad guy tomorrow. You will catch them next time if they evade you today!
Not a cop, but clearly not a criminal lover. Why even arrest people for small amounts of drugs? The judges will throw these cases out. Now home invasions or the kids who rob homes when they should be in school, the baby face rapists, take them down, but stripping someone in public and making a woman pull out a tampon, that is nasty.
Weiss was was better than McCarthy !!! (Period!) what has McCarthy done ???? Consolidated districts - eliminate rank positions force a lot if good bosses to leave ? Lower morale ? Disband city wide teams ? What ?
"Shortshanks needed the Olympics to conceal the massive financial mismanagement that was coming into view and that we see today."
As stated here before, Shanks ran it into the iceberg Titanic style, and here we sit.
Estate ????
I smell moorish nation.
1/30/2014 01:13:00 AM
No u idiot... It means he is dead...
Ot: Bratton is back in NY as the police commissioner. Whats the first thing he says? Quality not quantity. Did we just not hear that at last weeks compstat meeting? Head and done is over? What a stroke McCarthy is.
CPD officers have been hearing that for the last 50 years. Nothing new. Only problem is towards the end of the month when numbers are low things change.
Also you have to be an idiot to believe that. The bosses say that to protect themselves. They can say I never asked for numbers or a quota, but always said Quality arrests.
Off topic..Just heard Bruce Rauner on WLS, he said if he gets in he is going to use executive orders to get things done and one of those things is to freeze all pensions and put you into a 401(k)....So you have 15 years on and that money goes into a 401 (k)..This guy has to be beat...
How does this qualify as a "nuisance" suit? If we're silly enough to look for booty dope in full view of all those windows, we deserve to get sued.
Ugh... This video... WTF were you guys thinking? It's eye-watering how even in this "it's fun to hate The Police" era, some of you continue to put yourselves and each other in jeopardy chasing the legendary Golden Crack-Rock.
Stop and think...
The people in these forsaken by GOD communities DO NOT want you in "their" neighborhoods disrupting THEIR underground economy because they cannot/will not stop selling this poison to each other.
They're wholly unable to live the clean and disciplined lifestyle that would enable them to escape the corrosive effects of this poison.
Because of that, this city suffers through years of wholesale diversion of Police and other resources to these undrained swamps of hyper-violence, death & destruction worship, lack of impulse control and willful ignorance to keep the inhabitants from lighting their own hovels on fire and embarassing their democrat masters at City Hall.
Let these people have their poison and the violence that goes with it... The Divine Hand might be at work here.
Weren't the disobedient generation of Israelites in Exodus made to wander the wilderness for 40 years until they were all just bleaching bones in the desert sun?
"WAH! We don't want y'all here but y'all actin' like y'all don't care about US!"
Street level drug enforcement by CPD has been a monumental fail.
It is nothing more than feel good political kabuki theater involving an intentionally starved of manpower police department flailing around with one hand tied behind it's back and subjected to repeatedly recycled failed policy after failed policy pushed by oh so smart L.E. & political gypsy travelers.
Don't think that there is not collusion between certain private attorneys and some members of the Corporation Counsels office. I am not saying that everyone that works for the Corporation Counsel is crooked because that is obviously not true. This has been going on for years, long before Richard M. Daley. That is the real reason that so many of these cases are settled.
lawsuits come down on officers as often as snowflakes have been hitting our shitty city of late. i had a few pending prior to g-macburger w/fries had arrived and now i hear nothing of them. i suppose it is safe to say he went ahead and settled them for me, ha. thanks macster but you still blow the big whopper w/cheese. i was never worried with those lawsuits because they were so ridiculously full of lies and insane allegations. i just enjoyed the easy ot i was getting. thank you shitbirds and their conniving representation.
Hi SCC! Im always a big fan of yours. Since we are nitpicking the Weiss era on this thread, then maybe you or someone else can clear up the one good thing he supposedly did (at least to me). Is it true that he was supposedly taken by surprise by the Cozzi backlash and he approved are current work schedule to make up for it? The rumor at the time was that city hall was pissed he gave us the 4 and 2 schedule without us losing anything. Again, I just remember hearing that from a long time ago and I am probably wrong.
it's 2014...... u guys r goofy? Sorry I won't make the benefit.
Remember no one has ever been fired for doing nothing. Let the getto self police themselves. They seem to do a good job at killing each other. I tell my Officers all the time. Get there after the fact. Clean up the mess and you will last on this job 30 yrs
AMEN!
5 movers, 5 parkers, 5c.c of any person that calls the police or victim..5.5.5 done.
Boys n girls, moms n dads, welcome to the police bashing show! Every time we have contract, pension issues the city media team helps release anything to paint police in a bad light! Then the lawyer for the 3 innocent lol kids talks about how this happened! This lawyer smells money watching his statement he gave with a straight face looked like he wanted to laugh knowing that his clients are scumbags! Wonder what the criminal history of the innocent is? Maybe aggressive police work really needs to stop in that area full of savages that attack!
I'm not a JFled fan. But more changes for the good occurred during his tenure than the last 4 supes combined. Cozzi was the only thing keeping me from having a totally positive opinion about him.
Slightly off-topic. Is it just me or should the lame-stream look into this with there "crack " investigative crew..." The gang leader’s criminal background includes 12 arrests but no convictions, authorities said. The arrests include such charges as aggravated assault, burglary and failure to register a firearm. The sheriff’s office would not reveal the man’s name, age or where he lives, citing privacy concerns.
Now he IS a Gang Leader yet Anita & Co have had at least 12 chances to take a swing at this mutt and have either pled down or out or failed ?????
the video doesn't show shit... Fuck they walk around all day ever day with their pants down to their knees and their ass hanging out now the police stop them and its a "strip search" I can see his ass in plain view which gives me the right to search.
Well after looking at the VIDEO this is not some nuisance lawsuit. Pulling his pants down and looking up his butt ?!!! C'MON MAN!!! Officers stay in your lane it's not worth it!
CLICK on
MY DEFINING MOMENT
SCC:
You should post this great picture of the shit Tahoes in snow
go to;
https://www.facebook.com/photo.phpfbid=10151812907712396&set=a.323068427395.158328.278848647395&type=1&theater
"I got sued in Federal Court. Weiss said fight it. We won. Asshole appealed, City fought the appeal too. We won again. Asshole went two rounds and didn't make a penny, his lawyer had to foot the bills. Under Rahm they would have paid. Fuck that, I told the truth, asshole lied like hell. It felt great to win in court. Twice"
-- Twice your financial future was put in the hands of an Illinois jury. It's great that you won, but was it worth the risk? I don't agree with the city fighting these. If there is no possibility of punitive damages, sure. It's not like the money the city is saving is going to efforts of improving the dying city. Pay the asshole whatever you want, as long as nothing out of my pocket is risked, I don't care.
Ah yes, the old "We didn't do nuffins now we gotz ta getz paid" routine.
Somethings never change in the People's Democrat Republik of Illinois.
well, the good thing about this video for the officers is that there is no way in hell this will EVER see a courtroom or a jury. They will farm this out to a private to get it settled in a timely manner and quietly. That is the good news, the bad news is that it will most likely be a beef and the coppers will take time.. Taking time, no big deal could always be worse. Those saying that the "coppers are gonna get indicted" are soft as soft can be. Ill bet everything I own that will never happen. If anything it is a violation of civil rights. Thats why we have the civil system, to sue for civil rights violations. Yes, officers can be arrested for civil rights violations but this wont be one of them. Cozzi was indicted by the feds because of a favor made to jfed to make him seem legitimate to the citizens. the searching officers will take 15-25 days, everyone else on the paper maybe 5-10 days and the supervisor on scene will take the same 5-10. Im gonna say this will be settled within 8 months if not sooner with an undisclosed settlement. They will definitely get alot of money though, no way around that. The city/officers dont really have a leg to stand on in a lawsuit which is why it will be gone. so at least some good news and bad news but it could have been much much worse maybe if that guy was still alive.. im sure a lesson will be learned by the officers though and hopefully by all the officers who saw the video. DONT DO THAT ANYMORE!!!
Anonymous said...
J-Fled and McDrunk are both pussy outsiders who will never represent Chicago. Rahm is a suburban pussy outsider as well.
Enough said on that. Now chasing one bag dope arrests is stupid any way you look at it. Stop jeopardizing your freedom for a loser war on drugs.
1/30/2014 07:21:00 AM
Anyone who goes to court on those little one bag shitass arrests knows the ASA will not challenge the judge finding no PC. I learned that 27 years ago to not bother arresting a guy only to get it tossed on no PC. I find no PC right on the street and toss it out myself. No lawsuits, no bullshit savage smirking his "I beat you" fucking grin. Fuck it. They drop it on the ground, then on the ground is where it stays. Otherwise it gets scattered to the wind.
im pretty sure I know these guys. Good guys. They are gonna stress out a little bit with this one but in the end they will be all right. These things come and go, in 15 years they will be looking back shaking their head with a smile and say, man that sucked! It will be fine for them but dont let the stress get to you too much on this one. Ive had worse myself and ended up fine. Just remember, your starting a long journey of civil and administrative hearings that will suck. You will think it will all never end. You wont want to do anything, touch anyone and will lose sleep. But when its all over one day you will breath easy and say why did I worry so much, i ended up ok. Relax guys, it could always be worse.
Question? Why did Jody get a vote of no confidence from FOP and this McScotch has destroyed our police department and that no balls Shields never said anything. He was quick to go to the Sun Times when he was losing his FOP salary of 200k. We should have given a Vote of No Confidence to Shields and Company. My opinion after 24 years on the job. Jody Weis gets a B+. The Current Supt. an F for Fuck You.
Anonymous said...
Very well said SCC. We have a lot of delusional cops on the job who believe in fantasy concerning JFled, who like this guy now, are the worst things that have ever happened to CPD>
1/30/2014 06:16:00 AM
You need to take a broader view of things. The worst that ever happened to the CPD came in the form of Richard M. Daley. Nothing else.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off topic but important....
To anyone who thinks John kass is on the side of the police (or understands the police use of force model), look no further than today's article.
John.... Fuck off!!!!
You illicit comments from Ekl and Loevy regarding the veteran who was shot by police???
Gee, I wonder if they would give an unbiased opinion-yeah fucking right!!!
You purposely sought out the 2 biggest police suers out there, meaning you shopped for anti police opinions for your anti police article.
You are a typical media hack. I don't give a flying fuck what police causes you supported in the past.
Oh by the way, its not our job to get stabbed by a knife wielding psycho-veteran or not
1/30/2014 06:10:00 AM
Really, super cop? Really? The tazed a 95 year old man who needed a cane or a walker to stand, then shot him four times with bean bag rounds from a shotgun. If you are such a pussy that you can't figure a better way to handle a frail NINETY-FIVE year old man, you are in the wrong fucking line of work.
I'm more pro cop than you know after two decades in the ghetto, but that was complete bullshit.
I learned a long time ago to just do as little as possible....
How about do your job and do it right??? How about exercise some common sense??
Anonymous said...
I'll bet everything I own that the involved officers' supervisors will do anything and everything in their power to distance themselves from this catastrophe-in-progress
News flash, the Sergeant is on the scene. He's the guy walking around talking on the phone. How can he distance himself from anything?
1/30/2014 07:21:00 AM
Well now, that brings a smile to my face! Maybe we'll finally get to see a supervisor get to sweat for a fuckup. Unless he's clouted of course. Then he'll be hanging his own guys out to dry like its always been. Time will tell.
Off topic but does anyone notice how Gov. Quinn wears a purple tie about 100% of the time. I heard it's his personal shout out to the SEIU union. He is really soft.
Im sorry. But you get what ya get when you do stupid shit. Ive said it time and time again. Dont do a damn thing. Answer your calls, come clear right away, and give good police service. I dont feel sorry for stupidity.
Oh by the way, did you forget it was Jody who pushed for CPD to have an outdoor range. Bring Jody back so CPD can enter the 21st century in Law Enforcement. Go ahead and make fun but I'm telling the truth.
"News flash, the Sergeant is on the scene. He's the guy walking around talking on the phone. How can he distance himself from anything?"
1/30/2014 07:21:00 AM
You know what?
Here lies the problem... Lack of experienced supervision.
The kind of experienced supervision that would have likely kept these officers from doing the dumb shit they got caught on video doing...
NOBODY on this job should be allowed to supervise a damned thing unless they have a gold star on their sleeve and they've worked in bad districts managed by bad people.
That way, they will have learned a little about reigning in these people who think being the "Real Police" is rooting around in Dude's ass for a rock or a jab because Dude said some quick and greasy shit or whatever.
Be ok with not catching Dude every time! That's what gets more coppers fucked up on this job. Creative Writing and Creative Story-Telling in the witness box.
Every soft clothes and special hidey-hole unit should be dynamited and sent back to the watches...
Every federal task force/joint operation? Same thing...
the video doesn't show shit... Fuck they walk around all day ever day with their pants down to their knees and their ass hanging out now the police stop them and its a "strip search" I can see his ass in plain view which gives me the right to search.
You are the idiot of the millennium. I really hope this was tongue in (ass)cheek.
I've been on for almost 30 years, when did we start making street stops. sorry my cruiser is climate controlled, no sense getting out of my car.
wake up Officers , leave narcotic arrests to the Narco Unit .
No searches for drugs on street or traffic stops , pat down for weapons only . Don't worry about people using drugs.
Those coppers on video might be looking for a job soon .
You haters of Jody WEIS are finally seeing how good this man was. The slander most of you spoke of him is very sad.
He out did every Supt since Conlisk !
Jody always tried to help the working copper to no end. I forgot, he was a former federal agent. He was honest and had the best interest of the CPD always in mine.
Now you got a Supt that eats and drinks on the arm and could care less about YOU. The only thing he is concerned about is how many more Gin MIlls he can hit
March 17, 2014 vs. 2013.
In regards to the law suits, look no further then the aldermen that are wired to the attorneys filing the suits. Heard Burke say many a time, the city got off cheap by paying a mope 17 million for a shit tune up.
Mr. WEIS, God bless you sir.
to: the citizens of Chicago....
question: do you want the real police, or not?....it's your decision
'Spin' it like you want... these guy's have got a SERIOUS problem!
Coppers have been fired for doing nothing, uncle Phil fired two females for cowardice. When they abandoned a male officer who was fighting with an armed offender. They were on tape running away and hiding like the worthless cops they were. They did nothing and thankfully got the axe.
I'd be a rich man if I had a nickel for everytime I've overheard an officer telling the (acting) Desk Sergeant something along the lines of "you don't wanna touch that Sarge" or "you might wanna put gloves on before you count that Sarge" when they're at the desk to get a dope inventory approved. I don't need to elaborate for the obvious to be correctly interpreted.
If there's any truth to the post about the ISP Lab testing dope packaging for poo residue, you clowns that reach that far for a dope pinch deserve anything and everything that winds up biting you in the ass.
i agree J-Fled fucked Cozzi, but i worked with Cozzi & he was a goof. he fucked himself. Other than that He was a good superintendent > And to the idiot about waitin for cars etc. WHO CARES ! did you ever work 6 days in a row week after week? that SUCKED! besides the city should buy more vehicles then..dumbass.
How is the frivolous? It sure looks like they have this subject drop his pant in public view.
1/30/2014 12:33:00 AM
Officer asks dude many times if he had anything on him. Dude gets pissed off and drops his own pants to prove his point saying he aint got shit. Its happened to me to the point where I had to stop dude from taking his own pants off. On the video to me it looks like shitbird gets pissed and kicks his own pants off in anger of being stopped.
"I got sued in Federal Court. Weiss said fight it. We won. Asshole appealed, City fought the appeal too. We won again. Asshole went two rounds and didn't make a penny, his lawyer had to foot the bills. Under Rahm they would have paid. Fuck that, I told the truth, asshole lied like hell. It felt great to win in court. Twice"
-- Twice your financial future was put in the hands of an Illinois jury. It's great that you won, but was it worth the risk? I don't agree with the city fighting these. If there is no possibility of punitive damages, sure. It's not like the money the city is saving is going to efforts of improving the dying city. Pay the asshole whatever you want, as long as nothing out of my pocket is risked, I don't care.
1/30/2014 03:10:00 PM
Amen to the second post.
Terry Hilliard set bar so damn low, no one and I mean NO ONE can be considered worse or more incompetent.
J-Fled the fame whore? Let's see, he sent a copper to the joint who already served his penalty. He sided with IPA on every case they filed for dismissal and or heavy suspension time regardless of his top 3 non concurring with the rulings. Tahoes? Really? They suck....he let pita met out all discipline and signed off on everything they did ....... J-Fled was an abomination to this job as was Clime and now McBully....
J Fed did take care of M. Mette. Stood up to Iowa Political Machine and did make sure to give his job back. Cozzi deal was bad but he made up for it with Mette. Bring him back. I'm ok with it.
SCC: too harsh on Weis. 19 years of the job, by far the best Superintendent we had. I have worked in patrol for the vast majority of my career, so I do not know what each of their personalities were like or whether they were good guys, but the biggest changes to patrol for me came when Weis was Superintendent.
1. Elimination of the 6-2 work week. That was the biggest struggle on this job if you were the working police. 6 straight days and court. 4-2 is much more manageable on the family, body and mind. Also, administration hates the 4-2 because the number of days we are off. I have no first hand knowledge but I was told that Weis convinced the city to switch to the 4-2 when the city wanted the issue bargained for in the contract because we work a few less hours.
2. Identifying the merit promotions and who put them in. It made the job/bosses more accountable to us.
3. Defending the lawsuits.
4. I know you dispute the rifles, but training, tactics (rifles) were offered far more when Weis was the Superintendent. I do not carry a rifle nor do I believe most in patrol should. When it first started and people were doing pat-downs with a slung rifle, it didn't work. But, I do not believe the issue of carrying rifles is pushed as hard without Weis.
Its similar with the emphasis of search warrants, executing search warrant and training for search warrants with Cline and how Hillard pushed uniform standards and fitness.
We all have opinions and from a district level, I think Weis was the best.
J-Fed will always be remembered for Bill Cozzi's screwing and running away from gun fire not towards it. Period. End of story.
Nothing in these cesspool neighborhoods is worth risking your livelihood for. Always assume some asshole with an Obamaphone will be recording you because it's not like they have anything better to do like, say, going to work. If they want to poison each other, fuck 'em, let 'em do it. The only thing we should be concerned with is protecting the homeland.
Anonymous said...
5 movers, 5 parkers, 5c.c of any person that calls the police or victim..5.5.5 done.
1/30/2014 11:37:00 AM
That's 5, 5, 5 too many. Seriously, if you heard McImInCharge at compcrap and the derision he holds for the troops, you'd come in with zip. You are a means to an end for him. Don't get hurt or killed stopping some shitbird to write a contact card for McCrapster. If you don't qualify for VRI, so be it. Be careful out there.
Anonymous said...
I have it on pretty good authority from a retired gold star friend that Jody di push the four day work schedule. He thought we would like him them. That is just pathetic.
We wait for cars every day because of this schedule. Hundreds of police officers a day sitting on their asses, for hours sometimes, every shift because ...we wait for cars. Nobody drives the same car every day because of the overlap so they treat them like pool cars. Beat tags get lost every day because of the switching. Start roll call on time? Why bother when there are no cars to send them out. Great idea Jodi. You were really pathetic.
1/30/2014 05:35:00 AM
There are so many coppers in the hall waiting for cars in 011 that I can barely get out the door to leave. I'm not sure how long they wait, but it appears to be a long time. I remember old days it was roll call, radio room, get keys, radio, hit the street. Now it's roll call, wait, wait, wait, hour or two later, you get keys and hit the street. If McStupid would just come and take a look, he'd see it for himself--but since the waters part before he enters, he'll see a show, not what usually goes on.
>>> Anonymous said...
J-Fed will always be remembered for Bill Cozzi's screwing and running away from gun fire not towards it. Period. End of story.
1/30/2014 09:02:00 PM<<<
Don't forget the cowardice shown in the Detective Airhardt incident. Never trust a Fed.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off topic but important....
To anyone who thinks John kass is on the side of the police (or understands the police use of force model), look no further than today's article.
John.... Fuck off!!!!
You illicit comments from Ekl and Loevy regarding the veteran who was shot by police???
Gee, I wonder if they would give an unbiased opinion-yeah fucking right!!!
You purposely sought out the 2 biggest police suers out there, meaning you shopped for anti police opinions for your anti police article.
You are a typical media hack. I don't give a flying fuck what police causes you supported in the past.
Oh by the way, its not our job to get stabbed by a knife wielding psycho-veteran or not
1/30/2014 06:10:00 AM
Really, super cop? Really? The tazed a 95 year old man who needed a cane or a walker to stand, then shot him four times with bean bag rounds from a shotgun. If you are such a pussy that you can't figure a better way to handle a frail NINETY-FIVE year old man, you are in the wrong fucking line of work.
I'm more pro cop than you know after two decades in the ghetto, but that was complete bullshit.
Really John????
Why the Ekl and Loevy quotes then??
It has nothing to do with being a "super cop" or who is more "ghetto"
Your opinion about this subject is simply wrong
Anonymous said...
"I got sued in Federal Court. Weiss said fight it. We won. Asshole appealed, City fought the appeal too. We won again. Asshole went two rounds and didn't make a penny, his lawyer had to foot the bills. Under Rahm they would have paid. Fuck that, I told the truth, asshole lied like hell. It felt great to win in court. Twice"
-- Twice your financial future was put in the hands of an Illinois jury. It's great that you won, but was it worth the risk? I don't agree with the city fighting these. If there is no possibility of punitive damages, sure. It's not like the money the city is saving is going to efforts of improving the dying city. Pay the asshole whatever you want, as long as nothing out of my pocket is risked, I don't care.
1/30/2014 03:10:00 PM
Amen to the second post.
1/30/2014 08:01:00 PM
I could have settled, if I paid out of my pocket. As it was the City was named as well as me and they paid for the lawyer. Yes, I worried about punitive. The corp counsel gave me some BS about that but really, I had no choice. Turned out well, we won. All for bullshit.
I would rather wait an hour to get a car then be here six days straight. The 4 and 2 is the best thing anyone did for us.
Anyone that wanted to be here for 6 days in a row is baby shit soft. You need something more in your life.
Question? Why did Jody get a vote of no confidence from FOP and this McScotch has destroyed our police department and that no balls Shields never said anything. He was quick to go to the Sun Times when he was losing his FOP salary of 200k. We should have given a Vote of No Confidence to Shields and Company. My opinion after 24 years on the job. Jody Weis gets a B+. The Current Supt. an F for Fuck You.
Outstanding!!!! If you weren't a Marine you should've been one. You said it best. I have no prob with Jody. He was alright by me. Love you SCC but you're wrong. The author is right about FOP stoning Jody but letting McDrunk get away with Murder. Then again what do you expect from a chicken shit like Shields.
Semper Fi.
Yeah the Estate of consist of link card, obama phone, flamin hots n purple drank....
To the poster who claims 'they have video,' I want to see it. I'm willing to bet it doesn't show much of anything. When I heard this BS this morning on Newsradio 780 I thought to myself, "complete BS."
I'm more convinced of it now than ever.
"All this for a simple bag of dope"
You are not the working police, or you have minimal experience at your job. I'll assume your a hair gel generate.
Selling dope is a crime. Felony dope is a bigger crime, it's substance that takes the public into a realm of hell on earth.
Drugs destroy lives and divide families, sometimes forever.
Another culture arose through the illicit drug trade; gangs.
Gangs hold entire communities at bay; Englewood, Garfield Park, Bronzeville and on and on.
"a simple dope pinch" no.
Cops working to enforce the law, yup.
Should they take time for this, no.
Will they? probably.
Back your own, regardless.
You all have enough enemies, just look at the video that was obviously set up to pay out on suit.
J-Fled and Masters Masters Masters set this dept. back for many years. Some of the stuff they did was pure evil, some of it even illegal.
Anonymous said...
5 movers, 5 parkers, 5c.c of any person that calls the police or victim..5.5.5 done.
1/30/2014 11:37:00 AM
You keep going, you ignorant POS.
Keep bringing that cash for The Flaming Tutu.
You keep those numbers up. Keep slashing your own throat.
Anonymous said...
Weiss was was better than McCarthy !!! (Period!) what has McCarthy done ???? Consolidated districts - eliminate rank positions force a lot if good bosses to leave ? Lower morale ? Disband city wide teams ? What ?
1/30/2014 09:56:00 AM
See what I mean SCC; another dumbass, putting his ignorant two-cents in.
It's a shame.
Phil cline was the one that started striker fire for us. Weiss kept it going. I have had a glock for over 7 years now.
Anonymous said...
>>> Anonymous said...
J-Fed will always be remembered for Bill Cozzi's screwing and running away from gun fire not towards it. Period. End of story.
1/30/2014 09:02:00 PM<<<
Don't forget the cowardice shown in the Detective Airhardt incident. Never trust a Fed.
1/30/2014 09:34:00 PM
Two armed law enforcement professionals in a gunfight and a police officer with a bullet in his head and they ran out. In their own words, they "called for backup." That made me nearly puke! They WERE the backup, someone was going out of that apartment in a bag and they ran out! Gut check time and they failed.
These coppers will be fine. The video shows what it shows. Dude with his pants down was shot dead months ago. The female accuser is lying through her 4 teeth about her "strip search". Never happened. The coppers were walking dude back in the gangway because dude was showing them where the pack was after he decided to try to work out a deal with the coppers. He dropped his pants on his own after being asked if he had anything else on his person. All documented on the original reports. Its the coppers word and paper that actually goes along with what the video shows before they even knew they were on film. These are good coppers and genuinely nice guys. Their sgt. was on scene. Nobody's getting stripped or fired, and I doubt that anybody is even getting paid a dime. Now let the dog-asses use this incident as yet another excuse to do absolutely nothing at work. Because its incidents like this one that the lazy and miserable coppers will use as an excuse for why they would never even attempt to make a dope arrest or anything pro-active for that matter.
J-Fed's greatest accomplishments were getting Senora Sherlock to retire and demoting loud mouth Sal Avila from commander to lt.
Anonymous said...
I've been on for almost 30 years, when did we start making street stops. sorry my cruiser is climate controlled, no sense getting out of my car.
1/30/2014 06:07:00 PM
And it's dog's asses like you who need culling. Working policemen who step on their dicks I can deal with.
RE: Terry Hilliard set bar so damn low, no one and I mean NO ONE can be considered worse or more incompetent.
Terry must be doing something right, God only knows how much he is raking in with his new consulting company...Hillard & Heintze. Now he can teach others how to be incompetent. Why does everyone in the law enforcement community think if you were in the command staff of the Chicago police dept., you have all this great knowledge to share??? What a joke just come to the districts to see just how crappy the leadership is in this Police Dept., it's joke.....
Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see. We have know idea the conversation that took place or the consent that was given and now a change of heart after the video makes it seem worse.
"...We wait for cars every day because of this schedule..."
We need more cars--not a return to the 8.5 hour day...four and two is great
im pretty sure I know these guys. Good guys. They are gonna stress out a little bit with this one but in the end they will be all right. These things come and go, in 15 years they will be looking back shaking their head with a smile and say, man that sucked! It will be fine for them but dont let the stress get to you too much on this one. Ive had worse myself and ended up fine. Just remember, your starting a long journey of civil and administrative hearings that will suck. You will think it will all never end. You wont want to do anything, touch anyone and will lose sleep. But when its all over one day you will breath easy and say why did I worry so much, i ended up ok. Relax guys, it could always be worse.
Ditto. Someone whose been there
I see the updates, and I get your point. Though there were other factors involved- and he had many downfalls, he also pushed to bring P.O. MM back from his out-of-state involuntary residency. Granted to possibly save face for other things, or he may have hopped on the bandwagon, but he was behind it on the record, which has to count for something. We got a good one of our own back. And not only out of his predicament, but back on the job after being railroaded......
Daley made the Tahoes come.
It was a give away to Advantage Chevrolet, period.
Wait a second. The officers strip searched them and then planted dope on them?
Does anyone see a problem with this story? So the coppers just wanted to see them naked before they planted dope on them? WOW! You guys are nutty.
The boys wearing their pants down might have something to do with the hobroes. When they used to ride around North Lawndale, especially Central Park Avenue, barking threats on their loudsoeakerz or whatever they use, they would pull their pants down, to show their asses to represent or something. After a while, they would pull them back up.
And now that dope that was recovered,according to his lieyers (sic) was a plant.
Never let a tragedy go to waste.
Either way, the dope will be tossed in court.
Dude wins again.
SCC: too harsh on Weis. 19 years of the job, by far the best Superintendent we had. I have worked in patrol for the vast majority of my career, so I do not know what each of their personalities were like or whether they were good guys, but the biggest changes to patrol for me came when Weis was Superintendent.
Wow, you people are soft as puppy Sh*&%
I have personal knowledge regarding the 4&2 schedule, so please listen, once and for all. After the pilot program in multiple districts, different stats were looked at by the city. Officers working the 4&2 took more time off than the other schedules. The city embraced this and Weis sold it as his thing for the troops. Period. The city bean counters picked it and that's why we have it.
Weiss will go down as one of the better Supts this department has seen. The longer McCarthy is here the better he looks. Cozzi got a bad deal but it was from the Fed prosecutors, not all the blame goes to Weiss.
great job GM now GW...your the real police now.HA!
Anonymous said...
I've been on for almost 30 years, when did we start making street stops. sorry my cruiser is climate controlled, no sense getting out of my car.
1/30/2014 06:07:00 PM
You're a false hump is what you are. Never called our cars "cruisers" you trolling slug. Then again from the sounds of your post you were never the police anyways. I'm sure you work in that north side ghetto of 016.
im pretty sure I know these guys. Good guys. They are gonna stress out a little bit with this one but in the end they will be all right. These things come and go, in 15 years they will be looking back shaking their head with a smile and say, man that sucked! It will be fine for them but dont let the stress get to you too much on this one. Ive had worse myself and ended up fine. Just remember, your starting a long journey of civil and administrative hearings that will suck. You will think it will all never end. You wont want to do anything, touch anyone and will lose sleep. But when its all over one day you will breath easy and say why did I worry so much, i ended up ok. Relax guys, it could always be worse.
Once again I hope that little bit of dope was worth it....what a waste of time and energy....stupid
1/31/2014 01:08:00 AM
Thanks for the info, from someone apparently in the know.
I know them personally and yes, they are really good guys & good policemen.
If what you mention is true, they'll be fine.
Dope dealers , 2 bag arrests at 90 & Laflin
What difference does it make
Answer radio assignments , write paper on every crime, back each other up , go home safe
People have rights and in some neighborhoods selling dope is one of them
Most Important ,back each other up .
Hey,
All of you posting negative comments about these officers and their fates, you should be ashamed to call yourself police officers. These officers were doing the same job as you and they do not need their fellow officers posting rumors. These officers like most who come under investigation have a lot to deal with. They do not need to hear rumors from some idiot who wants to post something negative to get their kicks. Most of what is posted is just lies and guesswork. One idiot even incorrectly identified an officer as a Sgt. Maybe if we supported each other instead of making dumb allegations their would be less stress, alcoholism, failed marriages and suicides. Like most officers, these officers will not be given a heads up about what is going on. In fact they can be stripped without ever being given allegations. As a result they will be looking for information. False information given by morons can effect these officers lives. If you have knowledge then meet the officers and speak to them like a stand up person, don't just post because you think you know what is going on. To those officers accused, keep your heads up, do not listen to lies on here. You men have always been stand up and have always supported others in similar situations. My prayers to you and your families at this time. If you actually support these officers post "You are in the prayers of your fellow officers"!!!!!If not stfu
Jody Weis did what a boss has to do, he wasn't here to make friends...end of story!!!
I don't think booty dope is legal or is it after this!!!....mind you that the camera was only rolling when the police was there. I would hope that a good states atty rep. would point out that the person filming this whole thing was only able to capture police wrong doing but has no footage of how many years shes been there to capture the wrong doings of many, many hundreds of dope dealing/ gun violence/ or any criminal activity....the camera was only working when the police were out there....what a COINCIDENCE!!!
Anonymous said...
the video doesn't show shit...
It's not what actually happened, it's what the jury wants to believe happened
Don't think that there is not collusion between certain private attorneys and some members of the Corporation Counsels office. I am not saying that everyone that works for the Corporation Counsel is crooked because that is obviously not true. This has been going on for years, long before Richard M. Daley. That is the real reason that so many of these cases are settled.
1/30/2014 11:03:00 AM
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It can be frustrating to know that the City paid out on a case that an officer feels passionate about, but often times it's the best solution to avoid the real risk of a run-away verdict, having to pay $100s of thousands in attorney's fees for the plaintiff's lawyer, and punitive damages against the officer. Anyone who's been to Corp Counsel in the last few years, especially those who have been there preparing for trial, know the hard work and dedication these attorneys have for the officers they represent. I've seen them go to the mat both professionally and personally numerous times to help the officers they represent.
Say what you want, Jody was alright by me. SCC, you're the best but I've got to give it to the guy who brought up Mette. As far as town hall meetings and Aunt B, not one cooper was ever dumped for making comments. Also it was huge that he showed who was meritorious. By the way where is Kennedy's and Georgas guy Jim Mauer at? You know the loud mouth who wrote a huge propaganda letter against Weis. Hey pretend General Patton why haven't you written anything against McJersey? This Dept was filled with ass kissers like Mauer and his twin girls Kennedy and Georgas. I'm alright with it. Bring Jody back!!!!
Well I hate to say it, based on the video I saw on Channel 5. I think the coppers are wrong. I mean handcuffing the dude to the building and pulling his pants down in the field. Looking up his butt, come on guys. When are we, especially the young guys gonna learn. This society does not want us to take drugs off the street. They all hate us, I learned a long time ago to just do as little as possible. Definitely don't stick your neck out....for what??? A little dope pinch....let them keep their shit, cause we are definitely not gonna get the support of the community on this one....or the so called war on drugs, which is the biggest joke ever...
1/30/2014 12:41:00 AM
Couldn't agree more. I bet whatever dope they dug out of his stanky ass still got them a finding of no PC in court. Big waste of time and now these officers are screwed.
I don't like the fact that John Kass quoted Terry Ekl and Loevy in his column, and Kass likes to play both ends against the middle. But was it really necessary for the Park Forest Police to shoot a frail and feeble 95 year old man 4 times in the stomach with bean bag rounds?
I don't think so. If the Taser misfired, why did one of the 6 officers on the scene try a second time. There are a lot of unanswered questions here and don't automatically think the police handled this correctly.
Not a cop, but clearly not a criminal lover. Why even arrest people for small amounts of drugs? The judges will throw these cases out. Now home invasions or the kids who rob homes when they should be in school, the baby face rapists, take them down, but stripping someone in public and making a woman pull out a tampon, that is nasty.
1/30/2014 09:43:00 AM
Because the "bosses" want numbers and the retards want to keep wearing their ripped jeans and backwards baseball caps to work. It makes them feel like they're detectives on an episode of The Shield.
the video doesn't show shit... Fuck they walk around all day ever day with their pants down to their knees and their ass hanging out now the police stop them and its a "strip search" I can see his ass in plain view which gives me the right to search.
1/30/2014 01:28:00 PM
You're really stupid.
well, the good thing about this video for the officers is that there is no way in hell this will EVER see a courtroom or a jury. They will farm this out to a private to get it settled in a timely manner and quietly. That is the good news, the bad news is that it will most likely be a beef and the coppers will take time.. Taking time, no big deal could always be worse. Those saying that the "coppers are gonna get indicted" are soft as soft can be. Ill bet everything I own that will never happen. If anything it is a violation of civil rights. Thats why we have the civil system, to sue for civil rights violations. Yes, officers can be arrested for civil rights violations but this wont be one of them. Cozzi was indicted by the feds because of a favor made to jfed to make him seem legitimate to the citizens. the searching officers will take 15-25 days, everyone else on the paper maybe 5-10 days and the supervisor on scene will take the same 5-10. Im gonna say this will be settled within 8 months if not sooner with an undisclosed settlement. They will definitely get alot of money though, no way around that. The city/officers dont really have a leg to stand on in a lawsuit which is why it will be gone. so at least some good news and bad news but it could have been much much worse maybe if that guy was still alive.. im sure a lesson will be learned by the officers though and hopefully by all the officers who saw the video. DONT DO THAT ANYMORE!!!
1/30/2014 04:45:00 PM
Are you really that delusional? They are going to turn this into a witch hunt on these officers. They're going to throw the fucking book at them. I wouldn't be surprised if more of the parasites they've done this dumb shit to start coming out of the woodwork and filing complaints. This isn't the first time these morons dug around in some crack head's nasty ass for a dime bag.
Really, super cop? Really? The tazed a 95 year old man who needed a cane or a walker to stand, then shot him four times with bean bag rounds from a shotgun. If you are such a pussy that you can't figure a better way to handle a frail NINETY-FIVE year old man, you are in the wrong fucking line of work.
I'm more pro cop than you know after two decades in the ghetto, but that was complete bullshit.
1/30/2014 04:53:00 PM
Really? You spent two decades in the ghetto doing what exactly? Did you live in the ghetto Mr. Kass? Did you work in the ghetto? Did you grow up in the ghetto? Sorry, but going into the ghetto for 15 minutes with a security detail in order to write a little article in your newspaper is in no way comparable to a Chicago Police Officer working 20 years in the ghetto. Hell, it's not even comparable to a cop working 1 year in the ghetto.
About your little article. You've obviously never been confronted by a person wielding a 12 inch butcher knife. I'd say the use of a taser (which didn't work by the way) and a bean bag shotgun was more than generous by the police on scene. If the man was holding a knife they would have been well within the guidelines of the use of force model to use deadly force and shoot him with real guns.
It's tragic that the man ended up dying but just about anyone with a heartbeat and the ability to move around is a dangerous threat with a knife. A 5 year old could kill you with a butcher knife and so can a 95 year old. You ought to know that having "spent two decades in the ghetto".
The bottom line is that you and I weren't there and we have no idea what those officers were confronted with and how the events unfolded. We can only guess. I for one am "PRO COP" and am willing to give the officers the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure they didn't wake up that morning, kiss their wives and children goodbye, and then say to themselves "it sure would be fun to kill a 95 year old World War II vet today for no good reason!"
Officer asks dude many times if he had anything on him. Dude gets pissed off and drops his own pants to prove his point saying he aint got shit. Its happened to me to the point where I had to stop dude from taking his own pants off. On the video to me it looks like shitbird gets pissed and kicks his own pants off in anger of being stopped.
1/30/2014 07:51:00 PM
Nice try.
I just have one question. Why is anyone doing anything on this job anymore besides answering calls and writing reports? In this anti-police era of video cameras and cell phones you've got to be fucking nuts.
Fyi we work 5 days a week guys wake up!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I've been on for almost 30 years, when did we start making street stops. sorry my cruiser is climate controlled, no sense getting out of my car.
1/30/2014 06:07:00 PM
And it's dog's asses like you who need culling. Working policemen who step on their dicks I can deal with.
1/31/2014 02:22:00 AM
Don't waste your time responding to him; his post gave him away. He may be on SOME pd, but he isn't on Chicago.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Weiss will go down as one of the better Supts this department has seen. The longer McCarthy is here the better he looks. Cozzi got a bad deal but it was from the Fed prosecutors, not all the blame goes to Weiss.
1/31/2014 07:21:00 AM
Give it a rest. Who cares? He's gone. It's over. If you need to hitch your wagon to his career, contact him at the tv studio on State street and stop blathering on and on and on about him here.
ok ok ok. I will admit this because I know when to say that I was wrong. I went to work and pulled up the case and arrest reports. I will admit, I jumped on this right away, like right when the video and story went up and I monday morning quarterbacked it saying they were in trouble. I read the reports and I apologize completely. The coppers wrote very good paper and explained exactly what happened in the case. I do sincerely apologize for my previous negative comments. as they say in the NFL, "After further review" the coppers will be fine.. If they stick to the paper I really dont see how they can get in any trouble at all really even with the video. The paper almost tells the complete story of what you see in the video anyways. Good thing they were wise enough to write paper as it really happened and didnt make it something it wasnt because then it wouldnt have looked as good. If the officers who are involved in this are reading this and took offense to my original negative comments I apologize. You will be fine. M.R -189
Anonymous said...
I don't like the fact that John Kass quoted Terry Ekl and Loevy in his column, and Kass likes to play both ends against the middle
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Sure seems that way-Kass runs how and cold.
I usualy like him. Maybe the old guy was greek or something?
Ever notice he's never taken a stab at the County-especially DART?
Gone after all other politicians-Governor crooks, mayor crooks, alderman crooks, mob crooks...
Oh wait, is that a KASS on the County payroll...?
No more Public Housing stairwells to search these shit bags ! If the pack isn't big enough to feel it's not worth the arrest.
You can argue all day Jodi this and Jodi that, everything was already proposed.
Look, whether you liked him or not bottom line is, It got done during his time, period.! Quick whining already
Name one good thing that got pushed through under this new regime.??
SCC: You did hear that Vanecko (sp?) plead guilty today-correct?
I just have one question. Why is anyone doing anything on this job anymore besides answering calls and writing reports? In this anti-police era of video cameras and cell phones you've got to be fucking nuts.
Here's your one answer: I'd rather be "fucking nuts" as you put it than a "dogass" as I would put it.
"I have one question. Why is anyone doing anythingon this job anymore besides answering calls and writing reports? in this anti-police era of video cameras and cell phones you've got to be fucking nuts."
1/31/2014 04:03:00 PM
+1
Give them exactly the Policing they've been asking for.
You know... Since you Chicago Coppers are SOOOO out of control.
Right?
Bullshit...
The overwhelming majority of CPD are paragons of restraint, all things considered.
Truth be told, Chicago Coppers put up with WAY too much guff.
Respond.
Drop a report.
No chit-chat or friendly banter.
Give the victim their copy of the report then very quickly get the fuck out of their sight. They can't hate what they don't see.
Roll to the next job and repeat.
Arrest only on victim signed complaint since CCSAO is openly saying coppers aren't credible.
As far as the dope game?
Fuck that silly shit... More Coppers have gotten themselves and other Coppers fucked up acting out the ghetto fairy tale of "Pooky & The Magic Crack-Rock."
There's always one Tuffy O'Tool who's quick to deride his fellow officers who don't play the dope game as "pussies."
Name calling notwithstanding... When FEDGOV plays one cartel against another with the prize of nigh near impunity to run that poison into the city while popping off random independent operators to make it look like they're "doing something," Tuffy O'Tool even realizes he's either full of shit or delusional.
Tuffy is also the same nitwit who brags about how many times he's been sued.
Pay Tuffy no mind... Any Copper who thinks the number of times he's been sued is some kind of badge of honor to wave at the "pussies" is a stone cold idiot.
Any Copper who takes a step back and takes a good look at the current state of affairs and acts in HIS best interest in order to keep the checks coming, food on the table, the kids tuition paid and the heat turned on, should be commended.
Adult priorities over dick swinging bravado...
Yes... Be The Police when funky shit happens right in front of you.
Other than that?
Leave these poison peddling, willfully ignorant, death worshipping, yelling "fuck you" to the rest of society as they ride by motherfuckers to shoot, stab, shit, fuck, beat and gnaw on each other until they're consumed.
Here's your one answer: I'd rather be "fucking nuts" as you put it than a "dogass" as I would put it.
1/31/2014 08:56:00 PM
Another idiot has spoken. You won't make it to retirement just like these goofs. Now go dig out a crack head's ass until you get your one rock arrest super cop.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Weiss will go down as one of the better Supts this department has seen. The longer McCarthy is here the better he looks. Cozzi got a bad deal but it was from the Fed prosecutors, not all the blame goes to Weiss.
1/31/2014 07:21:00 AM
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I call BULLSHIT.
J-Fed was on WBBM am on the sunday morning at issue program. A few minutes into the interview he says he had nothing to do with Cozzi's indictment. about 18 minutes later in the same interview he said he showed the tape to the Justice Department. J=Fed was IAD for the FBI. Had they not gone the whole nine yards he would have been on them like stink on shit. Check it out on WBBM's audio archives.
Kass is a fraud and a liar. He's using this incident as column fodder, ala Bob Greene and 'Baby Richard'. It has all the elements: bad police? check! sympathetic war veteran? check!! who would question his motives for bringing this sad, SAD case to the public's attention?? Except that anyone with a brain knows that the nursing home should have had enough staff to contain an ornery 95 year old, and hello? if you request a police response, you GET a police response. And dude with dementia is probably better off, sad to say. Shut up Kass, move on to your next futile cause.
Look at the address. A nightmare of a block.
Anonymous said...
Weiss will go down as one of the better Supts this department has seen. The longer McCarthy is here the better he looks. Cozzi got a bad deal but it was from the Fed prosecutors, not all the blame goes to Weiss.
1/31/2014 07:21:00 AM
Who referred the case to the FBI for prosecution? if Weiss never referred the case, then Cozzi was punished and story has a ending. Instead Weiss dug up the case and brought federal attention. Feds went for blood and a 5 year sentence in a federal prison for a charge that would result in probation in cook county. 5 years for battery of a drunk alcoholic. You cannot put lipstick on a pig and call it pretty.
To all the Officers telling other coppers they are assholes or won't make it to retirement because of the way they Police, c'mon guys enough! You don't agree?fine, you want to pass on advice? Fine also. BUT at one time I'm sure you worked, and chased dope or did some type of aggressive Police work that you so easily chastise these guys today for. Yes it's a different job now with cameras and video, and we can't Police the way we used to...which btw worked. But we need to stick together, some guys and gals are going to do Policework different then you may want to. No lecture your all big boys and girls, but please lay off with the negative comments. Civilians read this blog, enemies and media (the same IMO) and your are giving ammo to them. If you want to chase the dopeman fine with me, I'll back ya up. There are alot of veteran working coppers who have gone to "slow" districts not to hide but to work our neighborhoods the right way and keep the beast from turning our neighborhoods into what they have made theirs. The younger guys go to the ghetto to have fun and most importantly learn the job so they can one day have the skill set to defend our homes. This is how it's always been. Coppers are coppers and will never change. We are bullshitters, gossip whores, and shit talkers but what never changes is we are all in this together people. There are plenty of assholes out there who hate us. Who cares! They have always hated us.. This is nothing new but Let's not do the same to each other. Stay safe, stick together, and remember we are family fuck everyone else!!
I know other journalists in this town, and they all, bar a couple, think Kass is a giant ass, a buffoon, a caricature. I liked him when he first started writing his column, but he's become a legend in his own mind. He used to have some substance, but now he's a joke.
People still credit Weiss with the 4-2 schedule. He had nothing to do with it. The 4-2 was designed to decrease the comp time the entire department had on the books. In the past, the City never counted our comp time in the red, since the City never considered it a debt. The City's bond rating was lowered. Comp time was a contributing factor. The department even had the nerve to tell a few members with a lot of time on the books to start checking the money box. Of course they had no right to do so. Soon after, Sgt's were allowed to sell back as much as 200 hrs a year. This benefit wasn't out of the kindness of the City's heart. If you the 4-2 schedule, and take a day off, you utilize 8 1/2 hours comp time. if you work VRI, do you get time and a half for 8 1/2 hrs? Why have they kept a couple units on the 10 hour day? it wasn't because they run so efficiently. If you want to take off a day, it's 10 hours comp time. You need to ask yourself, has the City ever approached us with an offer, a benefit, perk that was with our best interest? For those that say there are studies that site officers are more prone to make mistakes working longer hours, and the City took that into account...why do they let the same guys work VRI every RDO, and are not concerned that the long hours may effect their job performance. Give credit where credit is due...wasn't Weiss' idea.
Yes, we can be falsely accused and cr automatically gerenated and sit in litigation over these frivolous lawsuits. That's why the criminals are making a banking, this city won't fight or charge them accordingly when making false accusations. However, even though doing your job, you can be dragged into these messes. By the way, once sued, when you need to do anything, it will sit on your personal record when making transactions, like refinancing.
We pay the highest taxes because we live in the nicer areas and yet we have no real 'say so.' Amazing how much in taxes, revenue we must contribute and can't push for the city to fight the lawsuits. Soon the city is going to tax to breathe and yet, still can have 'say so.'
Rham hates the police.
Right now, there's a lady that got arrested and started the ball rolling to sue the city again. It's frustrating that people like that will continue to get money from the city. Oh supposedly all her friends are cops, how nice. I hope people know to stay away from garbage like that.
I will do the necessary, like answering calls, doing the paper for whatever and doing the arrests that come from the jobs, but will not go out of my way. Just do the job and that's it. This city is for the criminals and not so much for justice. We have to be careful and ride the wave. Do your job, but don't have a heart attack over it.
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