Residency in Wisconsin
- Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Paul Van Grunsven on Monday declared Milwaukee's 75-year-old residency rule, which requires city workers to live within city limits, void and unenforceable.
Van Grunsven said a measure signed into law last summer by Gov. Scott Walker applied uniformly to all local government units in the state. That state law, he said, removes the issue of residency from the scope of home rule authority.
The state law, he added, "creates a constitutional liberty interest in being free from residency requirements as a condition of municipal employment."
Van Grunsven's decision marks a significant victory for the city's police and fire unions, which have fought to end residency rules for years.
An appeal is planned, but we believe Ohio lost all the way through the courts. It would be interesting to see what their argument was and why the FOP's case failed in Illinois.
And a word of warning - posters who start playing the tired old saw, "You knew the rules when you signed up," will be summarily deleted. The fact remains we were told we'd have a pension when we signed up, too, and that looks like yet another broken oath. There's no harm in exploring this option seeing as how every promise made to the Police in Chicago is on the verge of being as substantial as a bag of fart.
And a word of warning - posters who start playing the tired old saw, "You knew the rules when you signed up," will be summarily deleted. The fact remains we were told we'd have a pension when we signed up, too, and that looks like yet another broken oath. There's no harm in exploring this option seeing as how every promise made to the Police in Chicago is on the verge of being as substantial as a bag of fart.
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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I want to live in Wauwatosa, Brown Deer or Whitefish Bay and commute.
Lift residency and I will stay as long as I can on this job...
Good point scc. Can I get an event number?
Please God, the time is now to sue to get residency lifted to get out of this God forsaken city and have some semblance of a decent quality of life. I could find a home 15 miles out of the city to happily raise my family in. Why is it that everyone else can fight this and win it, yet we here in chicago are held prisoners here?
We need this to gain steam and run with it. The time is now. They broke the rules and now it's time we change this too.
This guy Brock Merck came to our roll call and made a lot of sense.
He also talked about residency and was able to answer pointed questions by opponents.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yXdztiQPY0
but the almighty gave us all an opportunity to open a myra account. hahaha..
so if you have no retirement money they can put the blame on the taxpayers.
no-no.. forget social security it's busted. forget the pensions. the pensions are like the current ira's. there are trillions of dollars in those accounts and the tyrants can't stand it. they must find a way to get their hands on that money.
they already got some of the ira money with the help of the banking frauds that busted the housing market and began this economic depression.
how -- easy. job losses forced early ira withdrawals and with those early withdrawals came the irs tax penalties -- an economic windfall in tax revenues.
how many people do you think either dipped into their ira's or are doing it right now.
yeah...but whatever the numbers are it's not enough. they want it all.
it's not your ira anymore it's myra as it belongs to obama. obama can invest it for you.
since the country continues to spend more then it takes in they will just have to borrow more money to pay your myra interest. heh you don't have a problem with that do ya.. smh
Mayor Twinkletoes will never let city workers leave.
It probably failed in the Illinois courts because the corrupt stench of the Chicago machine pretty much controls the entire state and courts.
I'm confused, does this mean we can live in Wisconsin?
We must pursue this, quality of live would improve 10 fold from this shit hole.
Seriously, how many people that live outside the City limits want to commute to a job with the CPD?
Remember the Pullman Village, and other Company towns? You are paid in script that can only be redeemed at the company store, which charges at least 3 times the normal price. How is this different, than forcing employees to live in the Company Town?
Van Grunsven said a measure signed into law last summer by Gov. Scott Walker applied uniformly to all local government units in the state. That state law, he said, removes the issue of residency from the scope of home rule authority.
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The key point seems to be that the state preempted home rule on this issue in WI.
The state of IL has not done so.
And a word of warning - posters who start playing the tired old saw, "You knew the rules when you signed up," will be summarily deleted.
Those 'posters' you speak of are the same ones who would tell early American coal miners complaining of black lung 'you knew the rules when you signed up'
See, in their world, working conditions should never be improved upon. You're a troublemaker simply for trying to make work a better, safer place.
Keep working under unsafe or unpleasant conditions because it has always been this way. Why on earth would anyone ever try to improve things?
Have you looked at some of these suburbs lately? No better than and sometimes worse than many neighborhoods in Chicago. Anybody that owns a house right now in the city, good luck finding a buyer for it.
mayor rahm's 'choose chicago' economic program is failing badly,
mayor rahm's mid-west technology corridor is failing.
the latest example...
Google cuts losses with $2.9 billion sale of Motorola while Lenovo expands smartphone business
buh-bye motorola and the tax break money for the so called job creation. they're having a party.
Lenovo is the chinese company that purchased ibm's laptop division. prepare for layoffs and/or wage cuts
choose chicago my ass mayor.
Remember the Pullman Village, and other Company towns? You are paid in script that can only be redeemed at the company store, which charges at least 3 times the normal price. How is this different, than forcing employees to live in the Company Town?
1/30/2014 01:49:00 AM
Check your history. Nobody was forced to live in those homes. Were they taken advantage of? Sure some were. Stop sounding like an Occupy bitch.
Rahm won his residency by leaving a few boxes in a basement therefore demonstrating that he intended to live in Chicago. Anybody want to roll the dice?
The corrupt Illinois courts will never change the Shitcago residency law. A DEAD ISSUE.
I often hear coppers for AND against the residency rule being lifted. Many say if the residency rule gets lifted there will be a "mass exodus" and their property values will drop and they DON'T want that. Please?! Almost all of my neighbors are NOT the police and NOT fireman nor city workers which means they DON'T have to live next to me in Chicago! They live here because they want to live here not because they have to. So will there be blocks upon block of vacant homes in Beverly or Mt. Greasewood? C'mon. Really?
Think about it for a brief second, for your neighbor cop/fireman to move he/she has to sell his house AND there has to be a buyer. They will not just walk away from their home and go to the bank and get a new loan the next day. Nor will they have $300K to drop down on a new home.
The new buyer has to pay taxes just like you and I do so I don't get the logic there. Why would the value drop because a cop/fireman moved out and a non city worker moved in? The property tax is NOT based on your job status but the value of the home. The house has no less value because a cop moved out and now a guy who works downtown live there. The city is NOT going to go up for grabs if cops move out to the burbs either. Like how much off duty shit really happens out there where the off duty copper saves the day? Let's be serious. Most of us don't get involved unless it's our own asses.
Almost every cop/fireman I talk to is FROM Chicago. Born, raised and went to St. Rita, Brother Rice, Dunbar, etc.. How often have you spoken to a fellow copper (CPD) from Florida, Nevada, New York that moved here for this job? (Cue the crickets). Exactly. Not many. Most aren't even from adjacent suburbs. Almost all are FROM Chicago which means they lived here BEFORE they became the police. Show of hands how falls into this category? (Crickets again) So how many of you lived outside the corporate limits then move here to take this job? Not many I bet. Which means you could have moved your sorry-ass out to the suburbs BEFORE you signed up for CPD or CFD. So chances are if the city lifts the residency rule you will not leave your friends, family, PT jobs that are all here in Chicago to move out to where? Mokena? Oak Lawn? Tinley Park? What to drive an extra 45 minutes to work every day, drive to court, PT jobs, move your kids to a different school? Please. I bet if the residency rule gets lifted less than 5% will want to move away. I can tell you in 17 years of being a cop I ask almost every copper when I first work with him/her where they are from and almost without exception say the the same damn thing: "Born, raised and live in Chicago." You all probably had the chance to move out when you were 18 or 22 after college but decided to keep your asses put here in Chicago when you could have looked elsewhere for police work.
There will be no "Mass Exodus" from the city of Chicago with tumbleweeds blowing around with vacant houses, there will be no major property tax increase or decrease because your neighbor Sgt so and so from TACT left, there will not be a major "flood of minorities" into your neighborhood as I have heard some say. The bottom line is if a black or Hispanic want to move to Beverly or Mt. Greasewood they will do it like anyone does NOT because 100 homes are on the market. Please. I live in Beverly and have several blacks on my block and my neighbor is Hispanic (who by the way is a retired CPS worker and guess what? He still lives here!) Also my other neighbor is a retired CFD and guess what? He probably complained about the residency rule his whole career and has been retired, living behind me for 20 years post retirement. Also I have met several coppers that work in the burbs that live in the city because they like the restaurants, nightlife and the amenities of the city, the lakefront, etc..
I am a retired Sgt.now, and waiting for my last kid to graduate UIC, and then we are out of here. But years ago when I had just made Sgt. I attended a wake for the son of an officer who worked in our Dist. I did not know the officer but I attended. The kid was handsome lying there in the coffin, shot dead by a gangbanger. When you see that and realize that maybe, just maybe that kid would have lived differently in the burbs. What outsiders fail to realize is that our children and spouses are forced to live in this shithole with us. Our kids go to parochial schools because we pay 10% of our income or more in tuition that suburbanites do not have to pay for decent schools. The Residency Requirement is unfair, and when I would raise this to FOP they would blow it off. Pharaoh Rahm: "Let My People Go!"
If they lifted the residency rule, can you imagine the mass exodus?! There would be an influx of homes for sale!
It's obscene to force people to live in a corrupt city in order to work for politically appointed merit hacks.
But that's how they want it so that they know that they can even control your freedom as an American. They really think that they are lords on a feudal estate. Only they can have weapons. You can only live on their lands and work for them when and where they tell you.
And you will vote for them when they tell you how to vote so that you think you are free.
And a word of warning - posters who start playing the tired old saw, "You knew the rules when you signed up," will be summarily deleted.
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Thank you SCC.
Seriously, half of these guys bitching live 10 minutes from the station and STILL can't show up for roll call on time. Same ones all the time though.
Even though I will take a hit on the house in garfield ridge, I would love to move out of this deteriating city.
I'm all for residency being lifted. But start planning to take a bath on your house. If it ever looks like it's going to pass, maybe downsize in the city so you don't take such a big hit. I'll be out of here by then but I still hope (non) residency passes. We have to live in the equivalent of shacks compared to what we could buy outside the city.
If the pensions are cut, IOD and medical reduced, other benefits taken away, why not lift residency?
If Rahm had his way, he'd make EVERYONE who works in the city, even private industry people live here! Imagine the TIF money he'd have then!
From this outsider's view of residency for coppers...it's bullshit (legal term /s).
-- a) Is Chicago the same city it was 5 years ago? No.
-- b) Is Chicago the same city it was 10 years ago? NO!
-- c) Is Chicago the same city it was 15 years ago? Hell No.
-- d) Is Chicago the same city it was 20 years ago? Hardy har-fucking-har-hah!
-- e) Is Chicago the same city it was 25 years ago? Sure it is, Riiight!! Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining!
From tax after tax to friggen tax. To an invasion from 'our southern neighbors' taking over neighborhood after neighborhood where English is now never heard and is the equivalent of a foreign language. To crime spreading from a couple-few districts to across the city, making once safe 'hoods and PD Districts war zones, like the 08th and Chicago Lawn - Marquette Park. Chicago is basically unlivable for families.
Granted there's a few 'nice' areas left. But fancy new high-rises with locked gates by the lake aren't exactly family friendly -- or affordable -- and there's only so many houses available on the far South / Southwest sides, or on the far Northwest side. Chicago Coppers can't live in all of them.
Ergo, whatever 'pact' was agreed to in good faith even a couple years ago when applying for the job, let alone 20-25 years ago, that 'pact' was broken by the politicians -- they changed the working conditions, they turned Chicago into Chiraq. They made living in the city of Chicago an untenable job requirement. No 'employer' can compel you to live in a goddamn War Zone! (the military is not an 'employer')
So fight this, but fight it in Federal Court. That's where you need to go get get your Civil Rights restored.
Good luck.
Illinois has no such provision, therefore residency cannot be challenged on the same basis. The Supreme Court has already upheld residency requirements absent a state law to the contrary. So sit tight, we're not going anywhere.
No I'd be thrilled with that change, but it's gonna make selling this house now a lot harder to do.
Anonymous said...
Please God, the time is now to sue to get residency lifted to get out of this God forsaken city and have some semblance of a decent quality of life. I could find a home 15 miles out of the city to happily raise my family in. Why is it that everyone else can fight this and win it, yet we here in chicago are held prisoners here?
We need this to gain steam and run with it. The time is now. They broke the rules and now it's time we change this too.
1/30/2014 12:21:00 AM
Not all city employees are prisoners to live in Chicago. Not all CPS teachers/administrators are required to live in Chicago.
Want to see property value plummet? Get rid of residency. Houses in Garfield ridge, mount greenwood and Beverly would not be worth the land they're built on. This is the fastest way to turn Chicago into Detroit. I think I'm willing to make that sacrafice though not to have to live in the city. Probably save money in the long run having three young children I'm sending to catholic school where if I lived in the burbs I could send hem to a nice public school. If they went to high school today, tuition would run me $130,000 over 4 years for all of them. If we don't actually sue for residency, we should at least hang a possible lawsuit over the city's head for negotiation purposes. Every city that sues for residency to be lifted wins. It's called precidence.
Instead of fighting for residency the FOP is fighting to keep the membership in the dark by suing Google.
Vote everyone out!
7 years,after 7 yrs you can go keeps tax base intact and property values also. Wake up pension changes coming and cost of living here is just gonna keep going up!
I would love to live outside the city. Especially after the tax bill that just came. That said, don't think there won't be trade offs. I suspect the first thing that will be put on the table will be our medical system. Do you think we will be able to keep that if there is no way of anyone coming to do a house check? Is this a trade we are willing to make? There will be others, but this will be the first to fall.
Yes. I would love to live in the suburbs and commute rather that work in this shit hole AND live here too. So yes, a lot of people would commute. No different than guys from Edison Park who got dumped out a unit and "commute" to 005. So yeah, I'll "commute" with no complaints.
It's not up to the mayor either, it's state law and if we are interested enough, we can sue again and challenge it. I
Unfortunately, even if they lifted residency most of us would have been stuck here anyway since already invested big $$$ in a house. Selling it for a half the price paid wouldn't cut it.
As a firefighter this would be great!
One day we will look back and tell our kids / grand kids that there was a time that u had to live in Chicago to work for Chicago. They will look at us in bewilderment.
The democratic party will never let city employees move out en masse. The courts will have to force the issue, yes, the state courts controlled by the democratic party. Chicago and Milwaukee were the only two cities left ( to my knowledge) in the country with employee residency rules. If people want to move out they should be allowed to. My guess is that many will not because of the higher taxes and travel times which would result. But, it should be their choice.
as we stated before, how many clout babies would move out and put their giving chinaman in jeporady, none that we know of,and the 19th ward suckholes that hang onto the ward tit would never leave....
hey, does this mean i can live in my summer home in Robbins????
Our union is in such a sad state of disarray, that I don't expect much.
Hell, didn't our "mayor" prove you don't need residency to get elected mayor?
We were also told in 1970 that we would never have to pay for Health Insurance. Ha!
Wishful thinking. Corrupt Illinois courts will never give it! BTW Wis. pensions funded 100%
I believe residency is wrong but look into the expenses of living outside of the city. Real estate taxes on a comparable home will make you sick. Then the cost of fuel for the drive and the time for the ride into and out of the city depending on your shift. This doesn't include the round trip into the city for court. I've checked Will and Dupage counties and found I would be spending even less time with my family and costing me more money. If it works for you that's great but I can't afford it.
Most major cities have abandoned city residency:
LAPD -lifted in 90's? (pension 90% after 33 years)
Nashville- lifted in 1994
Detroit- lifted 1999
North Chicago-lifted 2002(10miles)
St.Louis-lifted 2005
Philadelphia -lifted 2012
Memphis-must live in county
NYPD-must live in NY city or surrounding counties
Georgia, Texas, Washington have state law that prohibits employment discrimination based on residency.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm confused, does this mean we can live in Wisconsin?
1/30/2014 12:57:00 AM
No, it means we MUST live in Wisconsin, buy Wisconsin license plates and wear those cheese hats on our way to work.
Seriously, how many people that live outside the City limits want to commute to a job with the CPD?
1/30/2014 01:39:00 AM
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Are you kidding me? I can make to my summer house faster on the expressway than I can to my place in the city on side streets. Your right some have family situations that would make them live in the city but some do not. At least give us the opportunity to leave if we want. I would build my cabin upwards and outwards and deal with the commute and have serenity every day.
Two important points. The Milwaukee decision came after the state legislature passed a state law on residency which I don't think Illinois will ever do because of Rahms reach to Springfield.
Second, it excluded police and fire, but further stated they can reside within 15 miles of the departments jurisdiction, so it was a partial victory. Other city employees have no limits on where they can live.
Bottom line, this case is far from over as it will go to the supreme court because it is a significant ruling.
Gives us hope tho.
OT- Alderwhimp Tunney got busted for erasing facebook questions that concern crime and police. One question he deleted - with robberies up 70% in your ward, why do we keep losing police officers?
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20140130/lakeview/tunney-staffer-deletes-residents-questions-on-facebook-about-crime
Why do you think that the residency issue has lost here and has won everywhere else? Could it be the judges? The city will never give us this and the courts will never let it happen.
lifting residency would not benefit the city any possible way so that is why they hold it against us. also, the city is beyond corrupt to the point that the laws here are interpreted differently than compared with the rest of the country. not even our u.s. constitutional rights pass for anything here in shitcago, the land of the corrupt. chicago should be its own state. the rest of illinois i am certain would be on board with that proposal.
Ok. Let's say the courts lift residency for us.. now what? You can't sell your house for what it's worth or for what you owe on it. Most of the surrounding suburbs have already been infected with the cancer. For what you'll safe in Catholic School tuition ..you'll lose in Property taxes and other suburban services.
No IL court will strike down residency. How many machine hacks are at all levels of the courts, all the way to the State Supreme.
That said, is the grass greener out in the suburbs? Cook County Suburban taxes are insanely higher than ours, Can't live in DuPage, Kane, Lake or Will with those taxes.
You get nickled and dimed in the suburbs and the houses, unless you really want to go to the sticks or live in a shithole are priced out of our range.
Lift residency ok, now it will stop the "hey boss my kid has a game/party etc mind if I slip by?" The canine guys were told years ago if this ever happened they would park their take home cars in the nearest district and get into their vehicle and rake the dog home, that would also negate the take home car program, sure you could move and watch your property taxes double or triple, you pay more for water, pay extra for garbage, but you save on school. When your kids are out of school don't forget your taxes will still be high, personally I know of 6 people that have moved from my area and regret it.
Residency will never be abolished here, worry about the pension, health care if you want out so bad many suburbs are taking laterals other states take laterals stop bitching just leave it would be better for you right?
Active CPD can now live in Wisconsin? Good news!
WE will never be able to live outside the city period., we city workers contribute too much financially for this to happen, period. when a jury looks at us , they see overpaid lazy thugs who do nothing but harass the poor and innocent, we are second class people to these regular folks. we told on a thankless job, only legitimate people who are victims and we come along and help look at us differently but only after we extend ourselves way out there for them.
If you happen to own a home on the northwest side, probably at least a 10% hair cut in the value without residency.
If the residency requirement is lifted, how much value will my house on the NW side lose?
The article says Gov. Walker signed a bill removing residency from home rule. We are under home rule and would need the same type bill from Quinn..
You could certainly argue that Rahm himself wasn't a resident of Chicago until he got a court to legally say he was…
The only reason to keep the residency law on the books is to restrict the freedom of Chicago workers from leaving. I'm sure several CPD members (and also firefighters and teachers) would gladly commute in for a chance for their kids to escape CPS schools…
Great win for Milwaukee!
However, we have one thing in Chi-istan that they don't.
A bought and paid for county, machine-obligated, judicial system.
The unfortunate part of this whole residency issue is that unlike Milwaukee Chitcago and crook county judges are rotten to the core and will never reform themselves without the aid of a federal prosecutor so when this whole residency issue presents itself again it will be swept under the carpet and the status quo will remain. The only avenue to resolve this issue is through the federal court system which costs lots of $$$$$$ but at least there we might get a fair shake.
If they ever take away pensions health coverage etc. I would not want to be a politician in this state county or city.
But the ruling was precipitated by a law the Wisconsin Governor signed. If this law was not signed, the residency would still be in place. I think without any changes to laws here, residency changes are still a pipe dream. I hope im wrong, but with 3 to go, im not holding my breath.
The starting point for this bullshit is this:
Mayor cocksucker can privatize every aspect of the city to buy himself campaign contributions from contractors, and NONE of those people working in this city are required to have to fucking live here.
He can privatize city job functions and those people can live outside the city, he has no bearing then on forcing employees who also work for the city but are not privatized.
Slam dunk.... you can't force some city employees to live here, give others a free pass, and let a majority of other people who provide full time work service for the city of chicago the option to live wherever they want..... THIS INCLUDES CHARTER SCHOOLS.
Anonymous said...
Seriously, how many people that live outside the City limits want to commute to a job with the CPD?
1/30/2014 01:39:00 AM
Are you kidding? Get out in the real world, son. Hundreds of thousands of people commute every day into Chicago for jobs that pay far less, have almost no benefits, little if any job security and a bleak future.
How long does it take to get from Mt Greenwood to Chicago & LaSalle or 3151 Harrison? At 6 a.m. I can get there from my brother's house the middle of DuPage County in less than half an hour. At night it takes even less time.
His kids can go to great public schools, walk the dog in a nice safe neighborhood, live in a nicer house and oh yeah, he pays half the taxes for the same square footage in Chicago.
Instead of paying $10,150 for a school year at Brother Rice, his kids go to one of the top-rated public schools in the US for nothing. That means in four years he's $40,000 ahead. Per kid.
Wise up, fools. The days of forced slavery are over, and so are residency rules. Thanks to SCC for bringing this topic up.
Anonymous said...
I'm confused, does this mean we can live in Wisconsin?
1/30/2014 12:57:00 AM
Yes you can, but you must notify iad that you will be living in wisconsin.
Lifting the residency is a dream I had for years. But after all these years forced to live in this paradise I am now questioning it.
My question: What would happen to property values?
I like my neighborhood, cant think of a suburb id want to move to. id like to live on a farm downstate but that would be a helluva commute
Seriously, half of these guys bitching live 10 minutes from the station and STILL can't show up for roll call on time. Same ones all the time though.
1/30/2014 07:15:00 AM
Well, maybe when the W/C's start showing up on time, everyone else will too. Lead by example.
Let me make this simple for the idiots out there. If you're a city worker and you don't already own a house in this shit hole city, then lifting the residency rule is GREAT for you. If you do already own a house in this shit hole city, then lifting the residency rule is BAD for you. If you have 50,000 city workers all trying to sell their houses at the same time to move out to the suburbs, who's buying them? The banks are already overflowing with foreclosed houses that they can't sell off. People's houses are already under water all over the place. It's called supply and demand. You lift the residency rule and flood the market with houses for sale, the already depressed prices are going to plummet even further. It's difficult enough as it is right now to find a buyer for your house. Imagine if even half the city workers who own homes in this city started putting them up for sale at the same time. Add that to the retirees that are selling to move out with no new hires even looking here because they don't have to and it's a disaster. More sellers than buyers, prices go down. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
I would love to live outside the city. Especially after the tax bill that just came. That said, don't think there won't be trade offs. I suspect the first thing that will be put on the table will be our medical system. Do you think we will be able to keep that if there is no way of anyone coming to do a house check? Is this a trade we are willing to make? There will be others, but this will be the first to fall.
1/30/2014 08:38:00 AM
You think your property tax bill is bad in Chicago? If you move out to the suburbs you can double or even triple it. Granted, you can send your kids to the public schools there, but your taxes are going to be a lot higher than they are now.
It would be easy. No VRI, No Special Employment. Make traffic stop after traffic stop and take your time causing a back log from hell. But we dont stick together and FOP is useles so forget it.
Anonymous said...
Seriously, how many people that live outside the City limits want to commute to a job with the CPD?
1/30/2014 01:39:00 AM
It would be nice to have the option. You know, like make a choice without fear of the municipal government firing us.
There are CHICAGO PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS who live in suburbs. FACT
My question: What would happen to property values?
They drop drastically. The more city workers that move out, the lower the property values.
One thing for sure, they won't go up with more homes on the market.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Seriously, how many people that live outside the City limits want to commute to a job with the CPD?
1/30/2014 01:39:00 AM
How many recruits from the north and northwest sides are commuting to the far southside districts right now
Anonymous said...
If they ever take away pensions health coverage etc. I would not want to be a politician in this state county or city.
1/30/2014 01:11:00 PM
Why? What are you going to do? post another comment on the blog.
Want to see property value plummet? Get rid of residency. Houses in Garfield ridge, mount greenwood and Beverly would not be worth the land they're built on. This is the fastest way to turn Chicago into Detroit. I think I'm willing to make that sacrafice though not to have to live in the city. Probably save money in the long run having three young children I'm sending to catholic school where if I lived in the burbs I could send hem to a nice public school. If they went to high school today, tuition would run me $130,000 over 4 years for all of them. If we don't actually sue for residency, we should at least hang a possible lawsuit over the city's head for negotiation purposes. Every city that sues for residency to be lifted wins. It's called precidence.
You don't have a clue. Not everyone that sued for residency won. For years the courts have upheld residency. Its been tried before in Chicago. There is no precedent, not precidence in the Milwaukee case because it wasn't decided in the courts. It was passed by the state legislature.
Suing had nothing to do with this case, you can't hang that over the city's head
Anonymous said...
Seriously, how many people that live outside the City limits want to commute to a job with the CPD?
1/30/2014 01:39:00 AM
All the ones that ran around like crazy bats looking for Chicago addresses by their hire date. I work in the burbs and we got it too and I'm trying to move back to 022. Residency is what stopped me from applying with Chicago b/c of the housing costs. In hindsight I shoulda just kept using my parents address.
I live in the burbs and work out here. I don't like it. Did not know I'd want to come back to the city so bad. I lived in a better neighborhood in the city with better schools than where I live in the burbs. The wife and I have been talking about moving but she wants to go even further out into suburbia and I want to come home. Chicago sucks in a trillion ways but a lot of that stuff you still get in the burbs, just less volume, and the burbs lacks the amenities and good times. When I finally get out for real, screw a burb, I want a quiet place where I can sit on the front porch with Old Yeller, some sweet tea, and a trusty shotgun watching the sun go down. And that life aint in suburban Cook County either. When I'm out...I'm OUT, like down south out.
My question: What would happen to property values?
1/30/2014 03:39:00 PM
Look at all the other cities that lifted residency - it did not affect values. Real estate values follow the economy; residency does not have anything to do with it.
Values plummeted in 2007 and resulted in more foreclosures than ever before seen in our history. Why? NOT because of any change in residency. The economy tanked because the DemocRats took control of the House and Senate in 2006. The economy worsened as the idiot in the White House infected the US with "Chicago cancer."
Eventually, as the economy improves, people will become more mobile and the net result will be more homes for sale, and paradoxically, prices will actually rise.
So let me get this straight: you want to continue to be paid to police the city of Chicago, but you don't want to live here anymore?
Doesn't speak very highly of you, now does it?
I am a lifelong Chicagoan (city, not burbs. South Side. White).
Longtime reader of this blog. It's more informative than a lot of the crap out there. But this attitude of "F the City!" is tiresome and infuriating.
If you want the privilege of a job with the City of Chicago, you need to be invested in this community. You want to live in Bolingbrook or Naperville or Mundelein? Go get a job with them.
Part of serving and protecting is remaining an active member of the community you are serving and protecting.
Otherwise you're just projecting an attitude that all you want to do is have a license to harass, lock up, and otherwise act like a boss in the same city you don't deem worthy of your presence. And if that's the case, you're not fit to wear the badge in the first place.
Property values would not be affected. Who's all important thinking that because city workers move out the city would fall? Do you realize how many millions of people live in chicago who aren't city workers? We are but a small fraction of the population. City workers are a tear drop in the ocean and don't think that every city worker will wanna pack up and move. Thank you SCC for giving this issue a forum. We need it to gain momentum and start the ball rolling to get this bull shit rule eradicated.
I'll never leave the 'Ville.
Duh, it's been unenforceable in Chicago for years. Got terminated for living in the burbs. I won my lawsuit and still work for shitcago pd.
Wait until property taxes double because of the pensions. One union, the CTU, already is ready to fight COLA concessions after their members fleeced the system dry and the city of Chicago is on the hook next year for $600M pension liability next year.
for the idiot that posted 50,000 city workers will be trying to sell their homes, really? How come only half of CPD retirees have left the city after retiring? If anyone has a reason to leave its those guys and gals and thats just CPD. What about all other city workers? Anyone who believes there would be a mass exodus of city workers is just talking out of their ass which is not in short supply here.
I am a civilian who enjoys reading your blog. As a former resident of Chicago who now lives in Schererville, IN,I have several neighbors who are current Police Officers from several south suburban Illinois communities. When these communities dropped their residency requirements, the PO's moved out. Until a few years ago, it was so funny to see all the unmarked take home cars with Illinois plates of all these suburban cops parked in their Indiana home driveways. I then heard that the mayors of several of these Illinois suburbs were so pissed off that many of their officers were living in Indiana that they took away the cars. They all still live here and are great neighbors.
So let me get this straight: you want to continue to be paid to police the city of Chicago, but you don't want to live here anymore?
Doesn't speak very highly of you, now does it?
I am a lifelong Chicagoan (city, not burbs. South Side. White).
Longtime reader of this blog. It's more informative than a lot of the crap out there. But this attitude of "F the City!" is tiresome and infuriating.
If you want the privilege of a job with the City of Chicago, you need to be invested in this community. You want to live in Bolingbrook or Naperville or Mundelein? Go get a job with them.
Part of serving and protecting is remaining an active member of the community you are serving and protecting.
Otherwise you're just projecting an attitude that all you want to do is have a license to harass, lock up, and otherwise act like a boss in the same city you don't deem worthy of your presence. And if that's the case, you're not fit to wear the badge in the first place.
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So by your logic everyone should reside in the area that they work? So if I live on the Chicago City Limits but move across the street into a suburb therefore I am no longer serving my community... In addition to that I probably would be a Bad Chicago resident if I purchased my gasoline out in the suburbs where I same nearly 40 cents on the gallon or buy my bottled water elsewhere because the Chicago politicians threw an extra tax on that as well... Lets not forget about the schools! Living outside the City would afford my kids to attend a school that actually gives a damn about the kids. Listen Rahm, enjoy your last few years as Mayor and stay off the Blog!
Daley shipped half the shit to the burbs. It aint now rainbow wonderland here either fellas.
We can only dream. Our union is to incompetent to fight for us. They couldn't even send the letter in.
Anonymous said...
Seriously, how many people that live outside the City limits want to commute to a job with the CPD?
1/30/2014 01:39:00 AM
How many recruits from the north and northwest sides are commuting to the far southside districts right now
Well played son!
Anonymous said...
So let me get this straight: you want to continue to be paid to police the city of Chicago, but you don't want to live here anymore?
Doesn't speak very highly of you, now does it?
I am a lifelong Chicagoan (city, not burbs. South Side. White).
Longtime reader of this blog. It's more informative than a lot of the crap out there. But this attitude of "F the City!" is tiresome and infuriating.
If you want the privilege of a job with the City of Chicago, you need to be invested in this community. You want to live in Bolingbrook or Naperville or Mundelein? Go get a job with them.
Part of serving and protecting is remaining an active member of the community you are serving and protecting.
Otherwise you're just projecting an attitude that all you want to do is have a license to harass, lock up, and otherwise act like a boss in the same city you don't deem worthy of your presence. And if that's the case, you're not fit to wear the badge in the first place.
1/30/2014 08:08:00 PM
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You're talking out of your ass. So you're saying because I don't want to live in an over inflated ranch next to some white trash and the 7-11 getting robbed every other week that I have no investment in this community? Go pound sand. This city is a complete shit hole and getting worse by the year, hence everyone wanting to get the fuck out. When they started fucking with the pensions is when I decided that this is just a JOB. So kiss my ass about not being "invested" in the community. I go to work and do my job. Doesn't mean I should be held prisoner here, and that's exactly what it is.
Property values wouldn't plummet. Like another poster said, it goes along with the economy, not because a handful of city workers decide they want to sell their houses. I know PLENTY of retirees who have kids, grandkids, and neighbors they don't want to leave and move away from. If they raise residency, which they SHOULD, you're not going to have a mass exodus. I know tons of cops and city workers who said they would stay because they don't want to move their families and kids out of their schools, away from friends, etc..
We are the last ones to uphold this bull shit law/rule. So get off your high horse about allegiance to the community. The community can suck it as far as I'm concerned. Remember, you're only a number. When they decided to steal money from the pension fund that you plan on having when you retire, that's when you have to start thinking about #1. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, company man.
They'll never let you go fool cause that's exactly what happened to Detroit...forgetaboutit
for the idiot that posted 50,000 city workers will be trying to sell their homes, really? How come only half of CPD retirees have left the city after retiring? If anyone has a reason to leave its those guys and gals and thats just CPD. What about all other city workers? Anyone who believes there would be a mass exodus of city workers is just talking out of their ass which is not in short supply here.
1/30/2014 09:43:00 PM
No point in even debating this with you. Your tiny mind can't grasp the concept of supply and demand. Home values are already in the toilet in this city. Your idiotic logic is that values will go up by lifting residency rules for thousands of city employees??? You're a moron.
Longtime reader of this blog. It's more informative than a lot of the crap out there. But this attitude of "F the City!" is tiresome and infuriating.
If you want the privilege of a job with the City of Chicago, you need to be invested in this community. You want to live in Bolingbrook or Naperville or Mundelein? Go get a job with them.
Part of serving and protecting is remaining an active member of the community you are serving and protecting.
Otherwise you're just projecting an attitude that all you want to do is have a license to harass, lock up, and otherwise act like a boss in the same city you don't deem worthy of your presence. And if that's the case, you're not fit to wear the badge in the first place.
1/30/2014 08:08:00 PM
You, sir, are a jackass. No other city holds its workers hostage. They allow their people to live where they choose and they still seem to do a good job when they come to work. Doing a police job, or any other job doesn't put one above or below anyone else. We don't harass or act like bosses when we enforce laws your elected representatives passed into law, you just see it that way because you are a stroke with low self esteem.
I'm invested in the AMERICAN community. I don't need to swear allegiance to a corrupt communist city like Chicago to do a good job in that corrupt city, you brainwashed, ignorant ass.
Now go and fetch your shine box. The suburban dust on my boots needs to be brushed off, and you are just the jackass to do it. Put some Chicago muscle into it, you asshat. I was born and raised here too, and I want a real Chicago stroke like you to work on my dirty boots.
Otherwise you're just projecting an attitude that all you want to do is have a license to harass, lock up, and otherwise act like a boss in the same city you don't deem worthy of your presence. And if that's the case, you're not fit to wear the badge in the first place.
Not all CPD officers work in the district they live douche! Northside living officers commute hours everyday to southside districts. They don't have any stake in the district they work. So your saying these officers go to work saying fuck it I dont live here and just want to harass, lock up and otherwise act like a boss of the people they deal with as you put it?? Its people like you that look down on CPD officers that make officers want to leave this city! Go fuck yourself! And its not a badge... Its a STAR you troll probably media type police hating goof! Who the fuck are you to think you know how it is? You think its like the Andy fucking Grifith Show? That in order to come home and eat with Aunt Bea and Opie us officers need to live in the city?? You think thats how it is??? Get the fuck outta here!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Let me make this simple for the idiots out there. If you're a city worker and you don't already own a house in this shit hole city, then lifting the residency rule is GREAT for you. If you do already own a house in this shit hole city, then lifting the residency rule is BAD for you. If you have 50,000 city workers all trying to sell their houses at the same time to move out to the suburbs, who's buying them? The banks are already overflowing with foreclosed houses that they can't sell off. People's houses are already under water all over the place. It's called supply and demand. You lift the residency rule and flood the market with houses for sale, the already depressed prices are going to plummet even further. It's difficult enough as it is right now to find a buyer for your house. Imagine if even half the city workers who own homes in this city started putting them up for sale at the same time. Add that to the retirees that are selling to move out with no new hires even looking here because they don't have to and it's a disaster. More sellers than buyers, prices go down. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
1/30/2014 05:10:00 PM
My house will make me money. But then again, I didn't try to purchase beyond my means. My Northwest side place has equity and will be sold quickly should I decide to leave. The latest appraisal made me happy. Yours must be quite a different story. Sorry, pal.
Anonymous said...
Wait until property taxes double because of the pensions. One union, the CTU, already is ready to fight COLA concessions after their members fleeced the system dry and the city of Chicago is on the hook next year for $600M pension liability next year.
1/30/2014 09:34:00 PM
You are a fucking dope; spouting the same bullshit Rahm feeds to the media.
What will go up is Chicago's draw on the property taxes, nothing else. Chicago's portion is but a portion of the overall bill. Even if Chicago's portion doubles, the total you have to pay will not double. The increase I read is around 15% - 20% of the total bill. And it need not be that much if Rahm backs off on TIF's and slows down his gifting to developers.
Anonymous said...
So let me get this straight: you want to continue to be paid to police the city of Chicago, but you don't want to live here anymore?
Doesn't speak very highly of you, now does it?
I am a lifelong Chicagoan (city, not burbs. South Side. White).
Longtime reader of this blog. It's more informative than a lot of the crap out there. But this attitude of "F the City!" is tiresome and infuriating.
Part of serving and protecting is remaining an active member of the community you are serving and protecting.
And if that's the case, you're not fit to wear the badge in the first place.
1/30/2014 08:08:00 PM
I wish more police had that attitude. I am in my mid 60's, retired, born here and lived here my whole life. I love this city. What I hate is what the corrupt elected bastards and the freeloaders and the criminal class have done to the city. I have so many good memories of growing up here, it is just terrible to go past some of those areas now. Who would believe how nice an area it was around Lawndale and Chicago? I'd ride the bus as a little kid, with my brother, and go to 12th Street Beach in the summertime, alone, and not give it a thought. I would get bus fare from my mother and be gone for the day. Not a worry. Same with going to the show, plenty all over.
Being a police officer was such a great thing, my parents had that picture of me in uniform when I graduated the academy and treasured that till the end of their lives. Being a police officer meant something, it truly was something to be proud of. It was really my city then, I had my life invested in this place. I hated crime and criminals. When I caught a felon I felt good, how dare they do that shit where I lived. Many of us felt that way. If you have that attitude, don't ever lose it, just do your best and screw the assholes who would ruin this job and city.
So, if I wanted to leave a few boxes of my stuff in my attic, rent out my house, and move to the suburbs, I can?!?
I have intentions of returning someday.
This was proven in court by RHAM himself in the Illinois Supreme Court.
I would site this case. Who had the balls to challenge the residency? Let's get on board here and get the wheels turning!!!
We are not obligated to remain in the FOP union or any union. It's a membership! If they don't get organized I'm out!
I send my children to private school in Will Co.
In there school, not a single shit head. Conservative values are taught, and the pledge to the Stars and Stripes starts the day. Discipline is required and handed out.
When I'm out there, I purchase my gas, groceries, and other items. The less tax $$ I give crook county and chi gago. I would leave my house the economy is not going to turn around. It would sell 40k below purchase price @ neg profit.
Lift residency!!!!!!
Are you fucking kidding me?
We have a "union" that cant even send out a letter to get OUR money, and you expect those idiots to do something about Residency?
Just muddle thru living in this rotten corrupt city, county, and state as long as you are on the job. But try and save as much money as possible. When you retire, do not hesitate - do not think it over - do it immediately - sell your house and move out of state. Do not fret about the financial loss, because wherever you go, you will quickly make up for it.
Today's life lesson - live like our grandparents did. Save save save. Cash is king.
Guy with 5 years on....half the people complaining on here live 10 minutes from the station and are complaining lmao....these guys live in garfield ridge,mount Greenwood,Beverly .....and work in 007,008,022,009 and complain because the watch commander doesn't hang out with them please! What's even funnier are the hacks who live in Edison park or ohare and can't make it To 16 on time....those guys are not going anywhere....lifting the residency rule is really gonna help someone like me who lives in lincoln park but got shipped to 005 ,with a 1 year old baby and a girlfriend still in school! Instead of paying 1700 for a two bedroom apartment I could live in noridge or oak park for almost have that at 900 bucks!!!!!
for the idiot that posted 50,000 city workers will be trying to sell their homes, really? How come only half of CPD retirees have left the city after retiring? If anyone has a reason to leave its those guys and gals and thats just CPD. What about all other city workers? Anyone who believes there would be a mass exodus of city workers is just talking out of their ass which is not in short supply here.
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some people do not want to move.
a lot of people are upside down on their homes (they owe more than it is worth) and can't sell.
How in God's name will residency rules affect property values? Do you think these homes will just remain vacant when everyone runs to the burbs? I think not. What will destroy property values is the status quo: high taxes, rampant uncontrolled crime, a failing school system, a dysfunctional city government, increased laws and regulations stifling business, etc, etc. That's what is, and will continue to kill this city.
Anonymous said...
There are CHICAGO PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS who live in suburbs. FACT
1/30/2014 05:53:00 PM
You're correct and some teachers also live in Indiana and Wisconsin. Here's the CPS Residency Waiver Policy (How is there any need subject areas anymore with teacher cut due to budgetary concerns and 47-48 schools closing?):
Policies and Guidelines
Chicago Public Schools employees' terms and conditions of employment are governed by the Board of Education's Rules and Policies and, for certain employees, by collective-bargaining agreements.
The Chicago Board of Education's residency policy was established to:
- Enhance the quality of performance of duties by employees who, as residents of the City, have an increased personal stake in the progress of the Chicago Public Schools and more awareness of conditions existing in the system.
- Increase the likelihood that employees residing in the City will have contact with community leaders and citizens through public school and community activities.
- Minimize absenteeism and tardiness among employees.
Provide economic benefits to the school system from local expenditure of salaries and the payment of local sales and real estate taxes.
- Exemptions to the Residency Policy for Special Needs Areas
Newly hired teachers who are certified/endorsed in subject areas deemed special needs may apply for a waiver to the residency policy, provided they are hired to teach in a special needs area of education. Such individuals must complete and submit an application for exemption to the residency policy within 31 calendar days from the original date of hire. If granted, exemptions will be valid for three (3) academic years after the employee's date of hire and may be renewed for subsequent three (3) year periods, provided that the employee continues to be employed in a special needs position.
Areas Assessed as Special Needs:
Special Education Teachers
Mathematics Teachers
Science Teachers
Librarians
Guidance Counselors
School Nurses
Reading Teachers
Bilingual Teachers
Physical Education Teachers
School Psychologists
Speech Pathologists
ROTC
Sign Language Interpreters
Occupational & Physical Therapists
Health Service Nurses
World Language (Exclusively: Chinese, Arabic, Russian, Latin, Farsi)
.
NOTE: CPS employees before November 20, 1996 are exempt from the CPS residency Policy.
If you want the privilege of a job with the City of Chicago, you need to be invested in this community. You want to live in Bolingbrook or Naperville or Mundelein? Go get a job with them.
Part of serving and protecting is remaining an active member of the community you are serving and protecting.
Otherwise you're just projecting an attitude that all you want to do is have a license to harass, lock up, and otherwise act like a boss in the same city you don't deem worthy of your presence. And if that's the case, you're not fit to wear the badge in the first place.
1/30/2014 08:08:00 PM
Hey, proud CPS graduate, we don't wear no stinkin' badges! Moron.
As for Bolingbrook, Naperville or Mundelein, you think people who work in those towns are "invested" in their communities? You are either incredibly naïve or incredibly stupid. Which one is it?
Stop with the "if residency is lifted the city would go to shit." This simply is not true. There are large numbers of people who want to purchase homes in Chicago neighborhoods where city workers live, those being the far North and South sides. Most of the other neighborhoods are doing just fine. Chicago has about 100,000 city workers? If residency is lifted tomorrow I would bet only 10% would attempt to sell their homes immediately. So 10,000 homes citywide. I know this sounds like a lot but it really isn't. Homes in these areas that come on the market and are "priced fairly" sell within 30 days. There are a lot of non city workers that want to live in these areas. I know everyone sees homes that have been listed on their block or in their neighborhood for months that are not selling. Most of those homes are priced more then they are worth. Most of the owners took too much equity to do home improvements, pay off bills or buy second homes and now their primary residence has fallen in value and they are under water. They could have also bought at the peak of the real estate market and their home has simply decreased in value. They have to attempt to sell to show the bank there are no buyers at the price they owe in hopes of getting a loan modification or avoid bankruptcy. These owners are allowed to stay in their homes while this process continues and the property commonly stays on the market. If no buyers are found at the higher price either the bank modifies the loan, accepts a short sale (less then what is owed on the mortgage) or the owner files bankruptcy. Therefore you will see some home sitting on the market for long periods of time.
I believe you would have a small percentage who would move immediately because families are tied to their homes. Kids are in schools, family lives nearby. Try convincing your wife husband that your moving to the suburbs and taking your 6th or 7th graders out of school to start over in their last years. Or a high school student who is in their 2nd or 3rd year. It may sound easy but it won't be.
Be careful what you wish for. If the city was to lift residency it would want something in return. Lower starting salaries for example. Also the city is attempting to reduce our pension and by allowing soon to be retirees to move out of the city before they retire and possibly lower their monthly bills would be a nice segway to lowering pension benefits. The city does not give something with out getting something. And if the city saw they were going to loose the court fight over residency they would initiate on their own.
I would love to sell my home Northside home is a couple of years when the kids finish school and buy a new townhome on a golf course and commute. I think it would actually encourage me to stay on the job longer.
Anonymous said...
We are not obligated to remain in the FOP union or any union. It's a membership! If they don't get organized I'm out!
1/31/2014 01:59:00 AM
Well, you are correct. But, if you withdraw from the union you will not get complaint representation and you will still pay 95% of the union dues members pay.
This entire conversation pro and con for residency reminds me of the years of discussion on concealed carry in Illinois. The horror stories, the hypotheticals and scared citizens talking about blood in the streets. What the political class and the anti-gunners seemed to ignore is the experience of others who have gone before them. The same goes for residency. Police departments across the country have ditched residency and they have survived as organizations and their cities have survived as viable cities. Being the police is just a job. Granted you should do your job and be held accountable if you do not, but that said, it does not make a bit of difference where you live, expect to the political class who use residency to control you. The power of the alderman might be diminished if city employees lived outside the city.I hope the courts overturn it. I moved out of Chicago years ago when I retired, but I know many other retirees who still live in Chicago and are happy. It is a personal choice,a free American's choice.And, I would bet when Rahm leaves the mayor's office he will also move out of the city. You think Terry Hillard with his millions would remain on the south side if not for fat government contracts? I think not.
Anonymous said...
Ok. Let's say the courts lift residency for us.. now what? You can't sell your house for what it's worth or for what you owe on it. Most of the surrounding suburbs have already been infected with the cancer. For what you'll safe in Catholic School tuition ..you'll lose in Property taxes and other suburban services.
1/30/2014 11:46:00 AM
Sorry, your claim just does not stand the test of analysis.
My house will make me money. But then again, I didn't try to purchase beyond my means. My Northwest side place has equity and will be sold quickly should I decide to leave. The latest appraisal made me happy. Yours must be quite a different story. Sorry, pal.
Amen!! Happy with my appraisal too!
I send my children to private school in Will Co.
In there school, not a single shit head. Conservative values are taught, and the pledge to the Stars and Stripes starts the day. Discipline is required and handed out.
When I'm out there, I purchase my gas, groceries, and other items. The less tax $$ I give crook county and chi gago. I would leave my house the economy is not going to turn around. It would sell 40k below purchase price @ neg profit.
Lift residency!!!!!!
You sir, are a smart man! It's about the quality of life for our familes, not the city. Family first. Yes, I will he sending my kids way out to the burbs for schooling even if it costs me way more money. My children are worth it, NOT Rahm's children...
It IS all about the kids...MY kids.
To the poster saying it would become another Detroit... You are a moron. Detroit didn't end up that way because they lifted residency. Show me proof of that. Chicago will end up another Detroit even with the city workers here. Dunce.
Anonymous said...
So let me get this straight: you want to continue to be paid to police the city of Chicago, but you don't want to live here anymore?
Doesn't speak very highly of you, now does it?
I am a lifelong Chicagoan (city, not burbs. South Side. White).
Longtime reader of this blog. It's more informative than a lot of the crap out there. But this attitude of "F the City!" is tiresome and infuriating.
If you want the privilege of a job with the City of Chicago, you need to be invested in this community. You want to live in Bolingbrook or Naperville or Mundelein? Go get a job with them.
Part of serving and protecting is remaining an active member of the community you are serving and protecting.
Otherwise you're just projecting an attitude that all you want to do is have a license to harass, lock up, and otherwise act like a boss in the same city you don't deem worthy of your presence. And if that's the case, you're not fit to wear the badge in the first place.
1/30/2014 08:08:00 PM
You are so stupid, I don't even know where to begin. You are a brain dead, brainwashed idiot. Do you think that a Northside cop who works on the South Side is invested in that "community?"
Do you think the rest of the country who lets their cops live outside their city limits gets sub par service?
You were born and raised here and think it's a privilege to work for the most corrupt politicians in the entire country? Your are truly a moron of the lowest order. Go and pay your stupidity tax to the thieves you vote for, because I know you vote democrat you fucking hack.
South Side. White. That just says it all, doesn't it, dumb ass? You see the community you live in crumble around you and are terrified that in another ten to twenty years the place you call home will be a ghetto and you want someone to save it. Not going to happen holding cops hostage to this shit hole. So go blow it out your ass, idiot. Your home will be worth nothing in the middle of an ever expanding ghetto and you're bitter about it and want cops to do something.
Well, we will do something. We'll laugh at your stupidity as we leave this dump in the rear view mirror. Enjoy it, idiot.
We are not obligated to remain in the FOP union or any union. It's a membership! If they don't get organized I'm out!
Have fun having the lowest seniority in what ever district you work. If your not part of the union you have no bargaining , you are not entitled to seniority , watch bidding , p day. bfd days , uniform allowance , duty availability .But the main thing is your not eligible for legal representation on your cr #.
I would advise against your decision.
Unit Rep
Anonymous said...
We are not obligated to remain in the FOP union or any union. It's a membership! If they don't get organized I'm out!
1/31/2014 01:59:00 AM
Where did you hear that? You have to pay your fair share to the FOP whether you want to or not. Its not a choice. If you choose to get out, you will still have to pay your fair share, but lose some of the benefits.
Seriously, how many people that live outside the City limits want to commute to a job with the CPD?
1/30/2014 01:39:00 AM
How many recruits from the north and northwest sides are commuting to the far southside districts right now
Well played son!
Thank you, although I'm not a son or a recruit, but a retiree who stills knows whats happening and has at least a few of my marbles left.
I would love to live outside the city. Especially after the tax bill that just came. That said, don't think there won't be trade offs. I suspect the first thing that will be put on the table will be our medical system. Do you think we will be able to keep that if there is no way of anyone coming to do a house check? Is this a trade we are willing to make? There will be others, but this will be the first to fall.
1/30/2014 08:38:00 AM
You don't understand. It was ruled unconstitutional. There is no trade off, it cannot be negotiated, because it is illegal.
Um so why cant they just make it that after 10yrs of service you are free from residency?? That way there will be no mass exodus (which would never happen anyway) and there will always be people working for the city (all new hires)that will be LIVING in the city until they have the option to leave. Seems pretty simple to me. This is what they do in Boston I believe.
We are NOT required to be in the union!
My house will make me money. But then again, I didn't try to purchase beyond my means. My Northwest side place has equity and will be sold quickly should I decide to leave. The latest appraisal made me happy. Yours must be quite a different story. Sorry, pal.
1/31/2014 12:28:00 AM
Good for you. You're the minority. Most people owe more than their house is currently worth which is what usually happens when the housing market goes to shit. But just because some asshole "appraised" your house doesn't mean that you're going to get that much when you try to sell it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Wait until property taxes double because of the pensions. One union, the CTU, already is ready to fight COLA concessions after their members fleeced the system dry and the city of Chicago is on the hook next year for $600M pension liability next year.
1/30/2014 09:34:00 PM
You are a fucking dope; spouting the same bullshit Rahm feeds to the media.
What will go up is Chicago's draw on the property taxes, nothing else. Chicago's portion is but a portion of the overall bill. Even if Chicago's portion doubles, the total you have to pay will not double. The increase I read is around 15% - 20% of the total bill. And it need not be that much if Rahm backs off on TIF's and slows down his gifting to developers.
1/31/2014 12:30:00 AM
Exactly right.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I want to live in Wauwatosa, Brown Deer or Whitefish Bay and commute.
1/30/2014 12:11:00 AM
You must be rich; the gasoline bills are gonna kill you.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
for the idiot that posted 50,000 city workers will be trying to sell their homes, really? How come only half of CPD retirees have left the city after retiring? If anyone has a reason to leave its those guys and gals and thats just CPD. What about all other city workers? Anyone who believes there would be a mass exodus of city workers is just talking out of their ass which is not in short supply here.
1/30/2014 09:43:00 PM
No point in even debating this with you. Your tiny mind can't grasp the concept of supply and demand. Home values are already in the toilet in this city. Your idiotic logic is that values will go up by lifting residency rules for thousands of city employees??? You're a moron.
1/31/2014 12:21:00 AM
Poster one is operating under an erroneous ASSumption. Just because someone's retired, and they keep an address in the City, doesn't mean they haven't left the city.
Just think all POs, CFD, Water Dept and Streets and Sans workers have to live in Chicago and many of the precious CPS teachers AND administrators get to live in the suburbs, IN, and WI without CPS Investigations doing a thing when violators are reported.
Last year, CPS Investigatots received 265 complaints of CPS employee residency violations and only EIGHT CPS employees were nailed. And, the complaints were not for one employee being reported many times. It was 265 separate employees getting reported on.
My house will make me money. But then again, I didn't try to purchase beyond my means. My Northwest side place has equity and will be sold quickly should I decide to leave. The latest appraisal made me happy. Yours must be quite a different story. Sorry, pal.
What the hell does purchasing beyond your means have to do with buying and selling a house? If you buy a house for $150,000 and it goes up 33% you sell it for $200,000 and make a $50,000 profit. If you purchase a $300,000 home and it goes up 33% you sell for $400,000 and make a $100,000 profit So the guy that bought beyond his means made twice the profit.
We are not obligated to remain in the FOP union or any union. It's a membership! If they don't get organized I'm out!
Have fun having the lowest seniority in what ever district you work. If your not part of the union you have no bargaining , you are not entitled to seniority , watch bidding , p day. bfd days , uniform allowance , duty availability .But the main thing is your not eligible for legal representation on your cr #.
I would advise against your decision.
Unit Rep
Unit rep, I hope you are kidding and the FOP is in worse shape than I thought if you are one of their reps. So you are saying if I have 30 on, I have to take a January furlough because I am fair share. You arte an idiot, tell me one po who doesnt get a uniform allowance, P days or BFD's
Legal representation is the ONLY thing you dont get. You are an unbelieveable goof
Just not worth it to invest so much money in a home in this awful, dirty, crime-ridden, loud and busy city. We can only pray that they'll lift this bogus residency requirement.
I want to live in Wauwatosa, Brown Deer or Whitefish Bay and commute.
1/30/2014 12:11:00 AM
You must be rich; the gasoline bills are gonna kill you.
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Naw, I use my Tesla (all electric)
The FOP will tell you to lies to discourage from leaving the union. But, they get my 28 bucks every two weeks and they are not getting the job done. The batch of future representatives need to get their heads on straight.
I remember awhile back the teamsters union was going to try to retain our membership. Then suddenly, things were in our favor. Is our union weak? Play politics?
Keep it simple, God-forsaken city:
Cops have an incredibly tough job.
Let them live where they fucking want
The end.
--No Cop Here
Yo poster for 1/30/2014 06:47:00 AM,
Yeah, makes sense, but we dont have that option to live outside the city and we should. Your point on living closer to your side job...we work a side job to keep our kids in private schools, and away from the shitty CPS system.
Face it, if it works in NYC, it will work in Chicago. The Alderman and the liberals who moved here will bash, sue and take the "job" from CPD (especially at the blue shirt rank) at the drop of a hat, BUT they will still want police living here. It's their sense of security and knowing their home they bought is in a safer area with the police as neighbors. City politicians and the liberals who moved here are two faced, and they will not elect a mayor who allowed city workers go.
Anonymous said...
Let me make this simple for the idiots out there. If you're a city worker and you don't already own a house in this shit hole city, then lifting the residency rule is GREAT for you. If you do already own a house in this shit hole city, then lifting the residency rule is BAD for you. If you have 50,000 city workers all trying to sell their houses at the same time to move out to the suburbs, who's buying them? The banks are already overflowing with foreclosed houses that they can't sell off. People's houses are already under water all over the place. It's called supply and demand. You lift the residency rule and flood the market with houses for sale, the already depressed prices are going to plummet even further. It's difficult enough as it is right now to find a buyer for your house. Imagine if even half the city workers who own homes in this city started putting them up for sale at the same time. Add that to the retirees that are selling to move out with no new hires even looking here because they don't have to and it's a disaster. More sellers than buyers, prices go down. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
1/30/2014 05:10:00 PM
And for all you young kids watching at home...this means DO NOT buy a home inside the city, unless you plan on staying after retirement.
nonymous said...
So let me get this straight: you want to continue to be paid to police the city of Chicago, but you don't want to live here anymore?
Doesn't speak very highly of you, now does it?
I am a lifelong Chicagoan (city, not burbs. South Side. White).
Longtime reader of this blog. It's more informative than a lot of the crap out there. But this attitude of "F the City!" is tiresome and infuriating.
If you want the privilege of a job with the City of Chicago, you need to be invested in this community. You want to live in Bolingbrook or Naperville or Mundelein? Go get a job with them.
Part of serving and protecting is remaining an active member of the community you are serving and protecting.
Otherwise you're just projecting an attitude that all you want to do is have a license to harass, lock up, and otherwise act like a boss in the same city you don't deem worthy of your presence. And if that's the case, you're not fit to wear the badge in the first place.
1/30/2014 08:08:00 PM
Spoken from a boss who is connected....how bout go have a big glass of GO FUCK yourself and go over your views with a real working cop!
In the last twenty years, Aurora, joliet, blue island, Kankakee and numerous other illinois towns (home rule & not home rule) have beaten residency. Ask their fop reps how they did it.
Let me make this simple for the idiots out there. If you're a city worker and you don't already own a house in this shit hole city, then lifting the residency rule is GREAT for you. If you do already own a house in this shit hole city, then lifting the residency rule is BAD for you. If you have 50,000 city workers all trying to sell their houses at the same time to move out to the suburbs, who's buying them? The banks are already overflowing with foreclosed houses that they can't sell off. People's houses are already under water all over the place. It's called supply and demand. You lift the residency rule and flood the market with houses for sale, the already depressed prices are going to plummet even further. It's difficult enough as it is right now to find a buyer for your house. Imagine if even half the city workers who own homes in this city started putting them up for sale at the same time. Add that to the retirees that are selling to move out with no new hires even looking here because they don't have to and it's a disaster. More sellers than buyers, prices go down. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
-----the only one having a hard time grasping a concept is YOU? Where do you get your info that HALF, yes, you said HALF of the city work force would pick up and leave chicago??
Okay, even if hour hair brained concept were true, if 50,000 city workers left, that's a tear drop in the ocean. 50,000 homes in a city with upwards of a million homes. Big stinkin deal. I couldn't imagine more than 25% leaving anyways. That's just a guess, because so many are rooted here in chicago and wouldn't move their kids.
Time for this rule to go away. In a free country, why are we the last to be held hostage and have no freedom of where we chose too live because of a job?
You think your property tax bill is bad in Chicago? If you move out to the suburbs you can double or even triple it. Granted, you can send your kids to the public schools there, but your taxes are going to be a lot higher than they are now.
1/30/2014 05:13:00 PM
Bravo. Private school tuition is finite; taxes not so much.
Raised in the 'burbs, married CPD, divorced CPD and still in the C, two years later. The kids love calling Chicago home, friendly-fighting over who's going to buy the house from me. This, and not one of them is C-anything.
It's a complex issue but for all the abovementioned and very valid but largely personal pros and cons, I don't think you'd see much change if it were lifted.
Mt. Greasewood? Wow. How do you get that giant head through doorways.
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