Pension Reform Isn't Working?
- New calculations show the state will save about $15 billion less than initially projected from the controversial major government worker pension overhaul that lawmakers and Democratic Gov. Pat Quinn approved last month.
Critics who say the pension law didn’t go far enough cried that supporters are “backtracking” on the savings and point to the change as a sign more money-saving changes to public employee retirement systems will be needed. Backers of the law, however, pointed to some good news from the latest number crunching — it shows that the state will owe less toward covering retirement costs.
Last month, House Speaker Michael Madigan championed the pension overhaul as saving $160 billion over 30 years. But when the financial minds at the pension systems covering state workers, teachers outside Chicago and public university employees took a look, the savings estimate came out to $145 billion. The difference is in part a reflection of the various sets of assumptions folks wearing the green eyeshades make about how long tens of thousands of government workers will live and work.
Maybe Quinn and company ought to start encouraging less healthy lifestyles, increase smoking and drinking among the retirees in the hopes of killing them off sooner?
In the meantime, the rosy predictions of Quinn, Madigan and Company are once more proven to be numbers not based in any sort of reality.
Labels: pension
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
99 Comments:
OT. Any help would be appreciated. Why the hell can't I find the exact salary the FOP Board makes? What's the big secret?
1/27/2014 02:21:00 PM
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President makes D8 and the field reps Aguilar,DiMaria,Gorman, Saul del Rivero, and Bill Dougherty and now marlon Harvey all make D5 or captains pay chief is $176 and capt. Is approx. 130 this can be found in the FOP bylaws try a little research officer it's not that hard it's all online
The extra $15 billion was spent on new smoke and mirrors.
OT - What happened at the meet and greet with Rutherford on Saturday?
Somebody better tell Clean Slate they are blowing their roll calls. Nobody looked presentable and the lawyer kid who spoke first was terrible. Obvious this kid is not confident speaking in public or has nothing really to say. The only one who had a decent speech was Moriarty. Have him talk fans have the rest of the crew take shower, comb their hair, and wear something besides whatever they found on the floor this morning. Also nobody gives a fuck that you are promising to come to roll calls after you are elected. You have to get elected first dumbass and looking like shit and having nothing to say isn't cutting it. Maybe address the contract and issues that you think should be brought up in the contract for negotiation. Just some ideas. Or continue rolling out of bed and fumbling through your remaining roll calls.
I don't know all the ins and outs of pension law but here is one idea: make an offer to settle the lawsuit against Google by having them pay a bunch of money into the pension fund? At least its worth a try.
Term limits to start
'...The difference is in part a reflection of the various sets of assumptions folks wearing the green eyeshades make about how long tens of thousands of government workers will live and work...'
hahahaha,,
and what about the assumptions on the return on investment of current pension funds hmmmm.
at one time were they not assuming an 8 percent annual roi.
not gonna get that from bonds or t-bills, as the fed's quantitative easing fuck-up those interest rates.
oh yeah the trillions of dollars the fed has been printing has sent the stock market to all time highs...how nice. can they keep printing dollars till infinity tho cuz everyone else sees a rigged stock market with overvalued manipulated prices.
but let's say the fed pulls it all off. they keep printing more and more. when the tsunami of inflation hits [which is the flip side of all this 'we saved the pensions' hype]we're not going to have what we think we have because the fed is picking the winners pushing the fixed income investments down while pumping the stock marker up...temporarily.
bottom line -- it's not going to end well.
Not to worry. Once the full effects of Obamacare kick in people will start dying at a younger age. Obamacare was not designed to be kind to the elderly.
hey, what happened to all that chicago casino politico's talk and how it would create those 'much needed jobs' and tax revenue.
It can't work.
Pensions, social security etc... was a ponzi scheme from the beginning.
The baby boom demographic exposes it all.
We are in big trouble.
We need maverick Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker to bring his folksy fiscal magic down here. Amen.
Lies again and FLOP Silent!! WTF Why Doesn't FLOP fight for US
Useless waste of dues
Numbers not based in any sort of reality?
Sounds like Napolean and McFailure numbers!
God Bless Detective John Dougherty.
A wonderful man, father and detective.
Rest in Peace
It is not pension reform. It is pension benefit theft.
Numerous government pension systems with far more generous benefits do not have a shortfall because they were properly funded over the years
Our elected representatives spent funds that should have gone to modest pensions on other things - like pork.
Their solution is to steal the money due and continue to spend it on more pork. Like DePaul, developers, etc.
Keep Voting One Party Rule and We get what we deserve
FLOP could be and should be a Political powerhouse in the city and state but NO!!!!!
Detroit here we come They are getting .16 Cents on every pension dollar
Anonymous said...
Somebody better tell Clean Slate they are blowing their roll calls. Nobody looked presentable and the lawyer kid who spoke first was terrible. Obvious this kid is not confident speaking in public or has nothing really to say. The only one who had a decent speech was Moriarty. Have him talk fans have the rest of the crew take shower, comb their hair, and wear something besides whatever they found on the floor this morning. Also nobody gives a fuck that you are promising to come to roll calls after you are elected. You have to get elected first dumbass and looking like shit and having nothing to say isn't cutting it. Maybe address the contract and issues that you think should be brought up in the contract for negotiation. Just some ideas. Or continue rolling out of bed and fumbling through your remaining roll calls.
1/28/2014 12:31:00 AM
I don't care if FOP comes to roll calls once they are elected. There are too many roll calls, they can't keep that promise anyway and roll call is not where they work. We can get info through the web site, newsletter, unit reps etc. Just look out for our interests.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT. Any help would be appreciated. Why the hell can't I find the exact salary the FOP Board makes? What's the big secret?
1/27/2014 02:21:00 PM
How do you find any criminals? Read the by-laws, they hide all that stuff in there.
The working man is a sucker, be honest we are all screwed!
Anonymous said...
I don't know all the ins and outs of pension law but here is one idea: make an offer to settle the lawsuit against Google by having them pay a bunch of money into the pension fund? At least its worth a try.
1/28/2014 12:42:00 AM
They can sue Yahoo also, and Microsoft and HP and Apple. Also Boeing, IBM, Ford and John Deere. Settle for what they can and straighten out the pension fund.
Also, send the CPD north and invade Evanston, Wilmette and Winnetka. Annex those towns into part of Chicago. At the same time jettison the 003rd, 004th and 005th District. Give them their independence. Sell 007 to the various railroads to make a new railroad yard and give the residents cash to go find a better life.
Off topic- God bless Ill State Trooper recently , injured off I-88. Please continue the good work Chicago Finest and continue to back up our brothers and sisters on state police who drive alone with no backup !
Somebody better tell Clean Slate they are blowing their roll calls. Nobody looked presentable and the lawyer kid who spoke first was terrible. Obvious this kid is not confident speaking in public or has nothing really to say. The only one who had a decent speech was Moriarty. Have him talk fans have the rest of the crew take shower, comb their hair, and wear something besides whatever they found on the floor this morning. Also nobody gives a fuck that you are promising to come to roll calls after you are elected. You have to get elected first dumbass and looking like shit and having nothing to say isn't cutting it. Maybe address the contract and issues that you think should be brought up in the contract for negotiation. Just some ideas. Or continue rolling out of bed and fumbling through your remaining roll calls.
I'll take some guys not dressed like Abercrombie models and whose speaking skills are not polished whose message is solid versus some slick looking com men pointing their fingers at everyone. I remember Shields used to wear really nice suits to rollcalls a few years back.
Thoughts and prayers to the ISP and Toll way family.
Clean Slate and City Wide were both at out my roll call the other day. Made me Wish we could organize something where the top slots could debate each other.
The numbers may vary slightly, but they all show one thing...Illinois and Chicago are bankrupt.
1/27/2014 02:21:00 PM
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President makes D8 and the field reps Aguilar,DiMaria,Gorman, Saul del Rivero, and Bill Dougherty and now marlon Harvey all make D5 or captains pay chief is $176 and capt. Is approx. 130 this can be found in the FOP bylaws try a little research officer it's not that hard it's all online
1/28/2014 12:11:00 AM
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That's not what page 25 shows on FOP Tax return.
http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/362/362467755/362467755_201012_990O.pdf
So the shooting starts when?
Come on cops do you really think you deserve a pension or social security you choose the profession you are a public servant !!!! Suffer like the rest of us you make enough to save !! Why should you have a right to live in a nice neighborhood what makes you better ten bucks a hour is more than enough to be a servant and the city can get volunteers for fire dept. this is what I overheard in a conversation !!! I can't wait to flee this hell hole of a city this is probably the only place in the USA where us servants are most disrespected due to the bias media
Guess you'd all better keep working till 63. Then get another job. (heard the city might raise retirement age to 67)
So Madigan hires outside firm
who cannot calculate the numbers?
Yet those companies were paid in full.
Just think how much is stolen and nobody knows,
1/27/2014 02:21:00 PM
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President makes D8 and the field reps Aguilar,DiMaria,Gorman, Saul del Rivero, and Bill Dougherty and now marlon Harvey all make D5 or captains pay chief is $176 and capt. Is approx. 130 this can be found in the FOP bylaws try a little research officer it's not that hard it's all online
Really? So how did Shields make over $200,000 from the lodge (the membership) last year???
I don't know all the ins and outs of pension law but here is one idea: make an offer to settle the lawsuit against Google by having them pay a bunch of money into the pension fund? At least its worth a try.
1/28/2014 12:42:00 AM
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get a clue....
It is inevitable that the Lawmakers will pass legislation to tax pensioners. Currently Illinois is one of 5 States left that does not have a State Tax on pensions. The tax could be in the area of 3 - 7 percent of your pension check.
O.T. Lubricate Your Firearms
Dear brother and sister officers. Please field strip and lubricate your firearm. From May to October I lubricate my gun once a month. Usually on the 1st of the month. From November to April I lubricate my gun twice a month (usually on the 1st and the 15th). During the very, very cold days I will lubricate my gun every seven days.
During extreme temperatures your firearm also goes through extreme temperature swings. Think about it; you go outside for an accident investigation or even to hang a simple parking ticket. Then you go inside your car. Then you go outside, then you go into the station or a restaurant to eat, then outside, etc... Take care of your firearm. You don't want it to go click when it was supposed to go bang.
OT-FOP election
for me and my team it comes down to picking the person who is least likely to have an agenda and most likely to want to do a good job for us.
Dougherty-NO WAY! just go away.
Angelo-I think he is an older version of Mike Shields. Scammer.
McDonough the only other candidate with a ticket. He has our vote.
Prayers and thoughts to the State Trooper who was struck on the tollway and is presently at Loyola Hospital in critical condtion.
The only good news is that people are starting to wake up and identify the important issues.
The pension post has 3x the comments of the other juicier topics.
Not too long ago on this blog it was different.
Hope springs eternal.
The Rutherford thing last Saturday was a good turnout. Standing room only even in such bad weather and having to park almost a block away.
Rutherford covered the cold hard facts that the STATE pension mess has got to be fixed with EVERYONE at the table not just the politicians and some hard give and take will have to occur.
This is what happened in Wisconsin and they are now in the black - budget wise.
He is pragmatic and to the point. The city pension is different; but can be influenced once the tide turns with the state pensions. Stating its going to hurt but it must be done to fix the mess that has been left to grow by the politicians.
I was surprised that when it came to questions at the end very few hands went up.
Rutherford seems like a good guy and the only viable alternative to the democrat machine. We have to get together behind someone who is not Quinn and its not rauner.
There are no problems that cannot be solved by raising taxes high enough and bringing in the needed amount of tax $$$$.
Anonymous said...
Somebody better tell Clean Slate they are blowing their roll calls. Nobody looked presentable and the lawyer kid who spoke first was terrible. Obvious this kid is not confident speaking in public or has nothing really to say. The only one who had a decent speech was Moriarty. Have him talk fans have the rest of the crew take shower, comb their hair, and wear something besides whatever they found on the floor this morning. Also nobody gives a fuck that you are promising to come to roll calls after you are elected. You have to get elected first dumbass and looking like shit and having nothing to say isn't cutting it. Maybe address the contract and issues that you think should be brought up in the contract for negotiation. Just some ideas. Or continue rolling out of bed and fumbling through your remaining roll calls.
1/28/2014 12:31:00 AM
Quiz time was there and correct cannot even speak who is the guy on clean slate getting cr numbers on sergeant and other coppers who is that?
Some Democrats like many Republicans skipped those counting classes and just focused on mass manipulation.
I have to agree with above poster, it's pension theft--- almost 2 years and still no contract--- mchandjob and rahmpoleon are all over the news spewing out crime reduction numbers and historic lows in homicide totals--- where's our reward for doing such a good job--- does velvet balls have the 600 million ready to go to shore up the pension fund mandated by the illinois legislature....
A Billion here, a Billion there...
pretty soon you're talking some 'real' money!
Disclaimer: To steal from one is plagiarism. To steal from many is research.
You're Welcome.
How can it work when the state legislators and judges collect pensions after putting in just 1 year of service in some cases and others as many as 3, 5 and even 7 years of service. Check it out with the names of who is getting what all on bettergov.gov website public pensions. Madrigal and Quinn didn't touch those did he?
And in case you are wondering those pensions are for "Elected" officials not "employees" and therefor do not fall under the Windfall Elimination provision. So all of the elected including Quinn, Madigan Et Al will still get there full Social Security for putting in at least 10 yrs private
Send a written request under the FOIA and they must provide you all documents you request as a dues paying member. Don't forget to ask about their expense accounts and vacations they call conferences. Families attend these events as conferences while most of us can't even take our families on vacation.
I'm sure that Madigan's pension is quite solvent!.
Why does ANY FOP officer make more then a 1st class patrolman/Det? Damn little work for damn little results. Cut all those ass holes pay and "bendfits".
Anonymous said...
hey, what happened to all that chicago casino politico's talk and how it would create those 'much needed jobs' and tax revenue.
1/28/2014 01:13:00 AM
Who cares? Wouldn't affect our pensions. That money was going to CPS, you know,for the children
Rich "five-head" Aguilar and Frankie Frank call themselves "experienced" leadership. As they both sit by and watched Mike self-destruct and cost FOP members millions in retro pay. Way to 19P a giant cluster fuck
Dont worry about your pension- Clean Slate FOP 7 is going to recommend funding programs to Rahm. Really? Whose brainchild is this?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I don't know all the ins and outs of pension law but here is one idea: make an offer to settle the lawsuit against Google by having them pay a bunch of money into the pension fund? At least its worth a try.
1/28/2014 12:42:00 AM
No one wants money from google; the purpose of the suit is to GET INFORMATION from them.
is there any good to look forward to in our contract negotiations or so-called possible pension issues/reform? what positives does this city bring us in the future. absolutely nothing. we were likely screwed out of our retro check. our water bill has gone up and will continue to rise and high taxes and high crime are not quite in our favor while we are forced to live in this shitty city.
FYI: W2's will not be available until 16 FEB. Glitch with the city computers. The city that works?
Its obvious the Dean Angelo team (Garrido) isn't the group to lead the reform that they are boasting about at roll calls. One of the clowns in their pack actually said, ”In order for this to work, you have to vote for all of us to get in.”
Really? I mean come on, really? No, it doesnt work that way goof. So I guess if only a certain percentage gets voted in then they are going to be useless and ineffectual???? Thanks for the honesty guys, now I know not to vote for any of you.
Did gov.scott walker reduce pensions for current retires , or did he require that state employees pay into the pension fund .
Look at all the bs in Chicago , 50 alder creature, 3 man crews for garbage , light bulb replacement , paid drivers for most street &Asante , forestry crews Drive and sit in truck read books , sleep etc. cut the waste and put money in pension funds
OT: When is Mikey Shields hearing at the State FOP Lodge? It should be very soon if it has not happened yet. I want a update because I want to see justice for Shields. He is a plant for the city. I am almost certain he did the Mayor a favor by not getting in the paper work on time just to save the Mayor 20 million dollars. It is obvious. The whole spectacle of corruption in past contracts casted by Shields was all an act and desperate move to get reelected and make us think he is not on the Mayors side when he really was.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I don't know all the ins and outs of pension law but here is one idea: make an offer to settle the lawsuit against Google by having them pay a bunch of money into the pension fund? At least its worth a try.
1/28/2014 12:42:00 AM
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Young Jedi knight you are mistaken. FOP is not suing for money but to get access to records. J. Moriarty is suspected of illegally audio taping a FOP board meeting and posting it to YouTube (which Google owns) along with the faces of everyone on the FOP board except those running on the citywide team. Moriarty also illegally disclosed the name of the vet the Dougherty was strong arming at the next general meeting.
Veterans affairs committee chair Sid Davis has been mute on this from the start. Sid has lost all honor in this vicious attack on the vet.
Harold Brown wanted a forencis audit of FOP. He asked HARD questions and they (Dougherty and Donahue) removed him from FOP with the help of Ted Street. Vote city wide team for INTEGRITY??????
Bottom Line is that all of our unions, all of them become business partners with the City, why should a patrolman like DiMaria or the rest want to go back as a PO and give up Captains pay, come on now, it's a game and they all play it. I am a retired Sgt. and our President Ade played the game too, None of these unions really do anything for us except send a rep out when you get involved in an ON DUTY problem, they have a few functions during the yearand all the suck hole aldermen attend and profess what a good job they are doing for the police. Please spare all the drama, I am now just trying to keep my benefits and hope and pray Madigan and Cullerton don't persuade the rest of the Bandits to decrease our monthly pensions.
Anonymous said...
OT. Any help would be appreciated. Why the hell can't I find the exact salary the FOP Board makes? What's the big secret?
1/27/2014 02:21:00 PM
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President makes D8 and the field reps Aguilar,DiMaria,Gorman, Saul del Rivero, and Bill Dougherty and now marlon Harvey all make D5 or captains pay chief is $176 and capt. Is approx. 130 this can be found in the FOP bylaws try a little research officer it's not that hard it's all online
1/28/2014 12:11:00 AM
Wait a minute hey McDonough you want a "clean Slate" state now that since fop voted to pay the top executives from our dues and relived to city of paying. Now Tommie McDonough why not reduce pay perhaps D-3 that would be real change. So your going to get in there with your crew and do what? I was listening when you attended our roll call, you promised when not if elected to attend roll calls! What about the pension? Updating fop website? Contract? Crickets! Who was that guy yep that guy running for a top post chewing a toothpick like a tough guy? Was that an intimidation move? Seriously we talked when you and your crew left your offering nothing, will you be like mike shields and be thrown out? Your a dream for the mayor a recruit " this is going to great" ahh maybe not so much!
Like on the show American Idol your ok but come back next time, you and your top guys are mike shields 2.0 thanks for playing!
Is the line ready?
Brains are required to fix this, that's why Democrats will never get it done.
FOP 7 is no different than Organized Crime.
Time for 2 year Term-Limits for Police Superintendents
and Mayors.
Queue up the funny man who will rant & rave using lots of CAPS and talk about how "police are the problem".
SCC, one you fix that poster this blog will be a better place.
There is no reason the FOP should make such high salaries. Why not keep their original salaries? It is an elected office to serve its members not to serve themselves. Is it not enough to get elected to a cushy spot? Why the inflated salaries?
"it cant work...pensions social security etc a ponzi scheme" yea ...you are a financial guru/analyst and work for what gov agency/company? You know absolutely nothing about pensions and how they work so go back in the basement with your six pack of old style and STFU!
I am boycotting Google until the FOP wins the lawsuit. There are other ways to find stuff on the internet, to hell with that company.
Why is our fop and Illinois unions getting together to come up with there own pension solution. Because the fop wants to be in charge and they can't move past an over sized ego. We are all on a ship and this fop group is sinking it. Vote them all out
Maybe Quinn should ask Wisconsin how to do it?
OT:WSJ 1/28/14 U.S. Watch
Wisconsin
Milwaukee's Residency
Rule for Workers Voided
A judge declared void Milwaukee's 75-year-old requirement that municipal workers live within the city's boundaries.
A provision in the state budget passed last year bars residency requirements for public workers other than police, fire and emergency personnel. Those workers can be required to live within 15 miles of where they work.
Milwaukee County Circuit Court Judge Paul Van Grunsven ruled Monday that the state law "creates a constitutional liberty interest in being free from residency requirements" to get a municipal job and Milwaukee's residency rule can no longer be enforced.
—Associated Press
Why are they called Clean Slate anyhow? They have Shields- Capparelli on the ticket; Booted from the FOP for not working. And former FLOPP VP Bella who is being sued for wasting our dues money. And Shields former driver and wing man. Wow. Clean Slate! Not.
OT, but ironic -
According to Crain's, The University of Chicago has been downgraded.
(Where Richie Daley goes, financial ruin follows? Maybe Coke will go under next.)
"Moody's Investors Service lowered its outlook to negative on debt issued by the University of Chicago as operating performance falls and the prospect of new debt and more debt service looms for the expansion-minded South Side institution.
Fitch Ratings, meanwhile, affirmed its stable outlook.
Though Moody's affirmed its Aa1 rating on the Hyde Park institution's $2.6 billion in outstanding debt, the New York-based rating agency said the negative outlook was driven by thinner cash flow in the face of rising debt service and the University of Chicago Medical Center's “substantial debt burden.”
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The numbers may vary slightly, but they all show one thing...Illinois and Chicago are bankrupt.
1/28/2014 06:43:00 AM
Morally, yes.
But Chicago has slush funds, called TIFs, and is far from bankrupt.
FOP 7 is no different than Organized Crime.
These clowns in the FOP would be sleeping with the fishes years ago.
10% over 30 years is not all that much. It is tough to predict something that close in a decade much less 30 years.
all it would take to really muck up the numbers would be for the average lifespan of retirees to increase by 6 months or a year.
Anonymous said...
1/27/2014 02:21:00 PM
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President makes D8 and the field reps Aguilar,DiMaria,Gorman, Saul del Rivero, and Bill Dougherty and now marlon Harvey all make D5 or captains pay chief is $176 and capt. Is approx. 130 this can be found in the FOP bylaws try a little research officer it's not that hard it's all online
1/28/2014 12:11:00 AM
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That's not what page 25 shows on FOP Tax return.
http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/362/362467755/362467755_201012_990O.pdf
1/28/2014 06:57:00 AM
990 forms thank you very informative now sunshine exposed think twice who u vote for!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
FYI: W2's will not be available until 16 FEB. Glitch with the city computers. The city that works?
1/28/2014 10:33:00 AM
Violation of Federal law, glitch or not. They've had a MONTH to get these out.
Oh, wait, Federal law is meaningless in Chicago.
Illinois death spiral continues.
Google© AutoCorrect feature sums it up...
Just type in the search box ,
"Why is Illinois so _____".
There is no reason the FOP should make such high salaries. Why not keep their original salaries? It is an elected office to serve its members not to serve themselves. Is it not enough to get elected to a cushy spot? Why the inflated salaries?
Why haven't you done something to change it? It has been in the By-Laws since 1981. This is nothing new. No one gets overtime and no matter who wins they also will make the same pay. Submit a by-law change in May and quit trying to make it sound like this is something new.
Harold Brown wanted a forencis audit of FOP. He asked HARD questions and they (Dougherty and Donahue) removed him from FOP with the help of Ted Street. Vote city wide team for INTEGRITY??????
Is this the same Harold Brown that was expelled from the union by the entire board? Not just Dougherty and Donahue the entire board. Go away Harold!
Veterans affairs committee chair Sid Davis has been mute on this from the start. Sid has lost all honor in this vicious attack on the vet.
The vet was friends with Dean Angelo's team. That was clear right from the beginning. The vet got what he asked for and yet this is still an issue because Dean wants to deflect that he has been on disability for 9 years taking checks from our pension fund while working at Calument College. If you can walk unassisted and shoot you can come back to work like me. Won't get my vote.
LMAO Thanks Rep Marty Moylan for supporting this over your fellow Union guys. I will make sure I don't forget in November.
Just give me my money back let me contiune to work and I will invest my own money I dont need a pension. i just want my money back.
Anonymous said...
I am boycotting Google until the FOP wins the lawsuit. There are other ways to find stuff on the internet, to hell with that company.
1/28/2014 02:20:00 PM
The hell with Google. What the hell business do they have to fuck with us? Sue the crap out of them! I'm going back to Yahoo.
Retired CPD said...
Send a written request under the FOIA and they must provide you all documents you request as a dues paying member. Don't forget to ask about their expense accounts and vacations they call conferences. Families attend these events as conferences while most of us can't even take our families on vacation.
1/28/2014 08:58:00 AM
If I am am correct you can not file a FOIA because our union falls under something similar to a 501 C (non profit)
I wonder if the Google corporation has lawyers that know what they're doing. Because the fop has Paul Geiger and hes been around a long time working on medical grievances and overtime disputes and has even been sued himself.
I want to know the name of the copper that is running on the Clean Slate ticket who gets CR numbers on other coppers? I want his name. I refuse to vote for any cop that gets a CR number on his own. State his name because that guy can fuck himself. Sorry for being harsh and I hope this gets posted but this officer needs to be outed.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/clout/chi-chicago-pension-tab-18596-for-every-man-woman-child-20140128,0,2007475.story
As usual rahm is blaming police and firefighters for his mismanagement, and turning the public against us even more!
1/28/2014 06:57:00 PM
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I am boycotting Google until the FOP wins the lawsuit. There are other ways to find stuff on the internet, to hell with that company.
1/28/2014 02:20:00 PM
The hell with Google. What the hell business do they have to fuck with us? Sue the crap out of them! I'm going back to Yahoo.
1/28/2014 09:39:00 PM
Guys you aren't getting anything from Google except a name. Per the Sun Times article:
FOP attorneys have filed a petition in Cook County Circuit Court to learn the “account information of the person or persons who authored and published a video and audiotape on YouTube.com that included an illegally and surreptitiously recorded FOP Board of Directors meeting.”
Google gets thousands of requests through search warrants and subpoenas for individual account info every year. That's what FOP is doing. Most likely Google will comply. But you can still boycott.
Here is the article:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/25244271-418/police-union-wants-google-to-reveal-poster-of-fop-meetings-on-youtube.html
There is no reason the FOP should make such high salaries. Why not keep their original salaries? It is an elected office to serve its members not to serve themselves. Is it not enough to get elected to a cushy spot? Why the inflated salaries?
Why haven't you done something to change it? It has been in the By-Laws since 1981. This is nothing new. No one gets overtime and no matter who wins they also will make the same pay. Submit a by-law change in May and quit trying to make it sound like this is something new.
Dudes are you on drugs? You're letting morons like Shields make 190k off of our sweat. Are we on fucking drugs. Each member of the board should make the same salary. The most 110k. You snot nose little bitch Shields making 200k!!! I guarantee you that come May that will change. I'm voting for the guy who brings up salary reform.
Retired CPD said...
Send a written request under the FOIA and they must provide you all documents you request as a dues paying member. Don't forget to ask about their expense accounts and vacations they call conferences. Families attend these events as conferences while most of us can't even take our families on vacation.
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Hey there old timer, you need to re-read the FOIA law, it does not apply to a private corporation which FOP is, but you can get any documents between FOP and the city of Chicago
Anonymous said...
FYI: W2's will not be available until 16 FEB. Glitch with the city computers. The city that works?
1/28/2014 10:33:00 AM
Violation of Federal law, glitch or not. They've had a MONTH to get these out.
Oh, wait, Federal law is meaningless in Chicago.
1/28/2014 05:05:00 PM
City is late all the time. Try and get someone to prosecute.
I refuse to accept campaign leaflets/ union litter from anyone of these clowns running for FLOP. I refuse to listen to anything these clowns have to say about the FLOP election, nor it's clowns/ candidates. I refused to cast another vote for anyone in a FLOP election, never again. Disgusted P.O.
Anonymous said...
Rich "five-head" Aguilar and Frankie Frank call themselves "experienced" leadership. As they both sit by and watched Mike self-destruct and cost FOP members millions in retro pay. Way to 19P a giant cluster fuck
1/28/2014 09:43:00 AM
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You must be one of the less informed but let me try and explain, most things done at any organization involves a board and then one of the board members motions up an issue, then the issue is put to vote. This might help you understand a bit more, the following board members were the total support and reasons why Shields was able to do what he did:
Bill Burns
Dan Shields
Dean Angelo Jr.
Fernando Flores
Al Jaglowski
Rick King
John Lipka
Dan Trevino
Mike Underwood
Tim Murphy
Tim Moriarty
Terry Collins
Dennis Doherty
Ron Shogren
Feel free to check on the voting patterns of our board members and then you might understand why things went a bit out of control, when most of the time you had a 15 to 12 vote as Mike Shields always cast a vote even on the pick of his own jury. Quit blaming others who truly could not create any change as they were always out numbered. Also please question their reasoning for supporting a President who went out of control, they are all running for re-election and will be seeking your support.
Anonymous said...
Rich "five-head" Aguilar and Frankie Frank call themselves "experienced" leadership. As they both sit by and watched Mike self-destruct and cost FOP members millions in retro pay. Way to 19P a giant cluster fuck
1/28/2014 09:43:00 AM
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You must be one of the less informed but let me try and explain, most things done at any organization involves a board and then one of the board members motions up an issue, then the issue is put to vote. This might help you understand a bit more, the following board members were the total support and reasons why Shields was able to do what he did:
Bill Burns
Dan Shields
Dean Angelo Jr.
Fernando Flores
Al Jaglowski
Rick King
John Lipka
Dan Trevino
Mike Underwood
Tim Murphy
Tim Moriarty
Terry Collins
Dennis Doherty
Ron Shogren
Feel free to check on the voting patterns of our board members and then you might understand why things went a bit out of control, when most of the time you had a 15 to 12 vote as Mike Shields always cast a vote even on the pick of his own jury. Quit blaming others who truly could not create any change as they were always out numbered. Also please question their reasoning for supporting a President who went out of control, they are all running for re-election and will be seeking your support.
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Come on now. Get it right for once. The actual vote to Anonymous said...
Rich "five-head" Aguilar and Frankie Frank call themselves "experienced" leadership. As they both sit by and watched Mike self-destruct and cost FOP members millions in retro pay. Way to 19P a giant cluster fuck
1/28/2014 09:43:00 AM
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You must be one of the less informed but let me try and explain, most things done at any organization involves a board and then one of the board members motions up an issue, then the issue is put to vote. This might help you understand a bit more, the following board members were the total support and reasons why Shields was able to do what he did:
Bill Burns
Dan Shields
Dean Angelo Jr.
Fernando Flores
Al Jaglowski
Rick King
John Lipka
Dan Trevino
Mike Underwood
Tim Murphy
Tim Moriarty
Terry Collins
Dennis Doherty
Ron Shogren
Feel free to check on the voting patterns of our board members and then you might understand why things went a bit out of control, when most of the time you had a 15 to 12 vote as Mike Shields always cast a vote even on the pick of his own jury. Quit blaming others who truly could not create any change as they were always out numbered. Also please question their reasoning for supporting a President who went out of control, they are all running for re-election and will be seeking your support.
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Can you tell the truth for once? The names are the board members who allowed Mike Shields to pick his own hearing committee. You forgot to include Danny Stover a Citywide guy. Here is the actual vote as published in the Board minutes from the meeting held. September 26, 2013:
Dean Angelo, Jr.
Bill Burns
Dennis Dougherty
Fernando Flores
Dan Gorman
Al Jagkowski
Rick King
John Lipka
Tim Murphy
Dan Shields
Danny Stover *
Danny Trevino
Mike Underwood
Be sure to ask these guys when you see them.
Anonymous said...
I refuse to accept campaign leaflets/ union litter from anyone of these clowns running for FLOP. I refuse to listen to anything these clowns have to say about the FLOP election, nor it's clowns/ candidates. I refused to cast another vote for anyone in a FLOP election, never again. Disgusted P.O.
1/29/2014 09:33:00 AM
Because you are a self entitled moron
"I refuse to accept campaign leaflets/ union litter from anyone of these clowns running for FLOP. I refuse to listen to anything these clowns have to say about the FLOP election, nor it's clowns/ candidates. I refused to cast another vote for anyone in a FLOP election, never again. Disgusted P.O."
I wish you were not on the job. You ARE the problem. You are why we are in such bad shape, as a union, as a city, as a state ans as a nation.
Your ignorant vote is better than no vote at all.
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