CSA Suspect Released Months Ago
First up, well done to everyone who worked this case. The Detectives working countless hours and beating the bushes. The ET's recovering evidence, including a wrapper with the suspect's DNA on it, the cops responding and securing the scene. A fantastic team effort. This guy is a career criminal with quite the history behind him:
- A man arrested for sexual assault last summer but released by a judge has been charged with the brutal rape of a 15-year-old girl as she was on her way to school in the Belmont Cragin neighborhood on the Northwest Side, authorities said.
A law enforcement source said detectives were led to Luis Alberto Pantoja, 25, through DNA collected from a condom wrapper recovered from near the backyard where the girl was attacked just before dawn on Dec. 17.
- Pantoja has a long criminal record dating back to 2005, with arrests and charges for theft, possession of a stolen motor vehicle, domestic battery after an order of protection was filed, trespassing, possession of cannabis, failure to report an accident involving death/reckless homicide, leaving the scene of accident, and eluding police.
This however, disturbs us:
- In August of 2013, Pantoja was arrested for criminal sexual assault. On Aug. 29, a public defender was appointed and appeared before Judge Maria Kuriakos Ciesil, who set bail of $200,000.
On Pantoja's next court date Sept. 17, Judge Laura Marie Sullivan dismissed the charge on a finding of no probable cause, records show. Details were not available.
Details better become available pretty quick. Probable Cause is kind of an important standard in CSA cases. In fact, with the Felony Review system, an Assistant States Attorney is intimately involved with deciding whether of not a case goes forward or gets shunted off to "continuing investigations." In many cases (and the Detectives can tell you all about it), a case is pretty much tried in the Detective Area before the 101's get typed up and sent to court with the prisoner. Probable Cause is almost a foregone conclusion at that point. This judge found none to go on, setting this animal free to commit a particularly brutal assault on a 15-year-old girl?
Someone needs to be held accountable for this. Quickly.
Someone needs to be held accountable for this. Quickly.
Labels: crime
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
134 Comments:
If it Sullivan from Skokie not a surprise! She has overturned cases of agg bat to PO because she slept on it and felt dude didnt mean it! I hope she gets exposed as part of the problem here in the peoples republic of crook county
In recent years, the NYPD clearance rate for criminal homicide has averaged out at only about 70 percent, down from 80 percent.
What are the CPD average annual clearance rates for murder/non-negligent manslaughter and sexual assaults?
Didn't the homeowner find the condom wrapper ?
It's too bad that these judges, attorneys, parole board members never face any repercussions for their actions. Ya think this judge is gonna lose any sleep over this? No way
Only cops face repercussions for their actions in the justice system.
[no probable cause == crime is down]
am i right, rahm, gary.
you know i am.
Possibly the victim didn't appear for the preliminary hearing? State could still rely on hearsay as to what was told to CPD at that point, but might not want to invest the time if the victim is unlikely to testify truthfully at trial. Victim could have been here illegally, could have moved, been paid off.
Laura Marie Sullivan remember this name come election time. Tell family, friends, and whoever else that will listen. Judge Sullivan this one is on you.
Are you kidding? These are the elites. Obamas, Emanuels, Clintons, Madigans, Daleys, Sebelius, Susan Rice. They are better than you and I. Who out of these people have been held accountable? Accountability? Haha! It is too laugh! Silly peasants.
Someone needs to be held accountable for this. Quickly.
Like who?
The Detective or arresting Officer will get tossed under the buss in a fucking heartbeat.
But a JUDGE? Here? In Crook County? Never, never in a million years...
What happened to the Judge that was "caught" giving out probation and boot camp on cases that weren't eligible? Absolutely nothing...
Vote NO for Judge Laura Marie Sullivan for retention in the future....by the way, Who is Laura Marie Sullivan??...a thorough and brilliant Judge she is Not. She released a horrible criminal to the citizens...there is no justice. The dear 15 year old could be hers next time. Get rid of Judge Sullivan...there are plenty more where she came from...off with Judge Sullivan.
I wish someone would compile a list of news articles over the last 5 years that talk about some person who committed a violent crime when he/she should have been behind bars. That list would put things in perspective.
Excellent job by all officers in my home district (025) and a job well done by area north dicks as well as everyone else involved. Now...how do we get that judge who found no probable cause on his prior CSA arrest hung by their fucking toes??
Yup.. This is our liberal justice system working at it's best!
SULLIVAN is one of the worst judges in the system. She almost never finds offenders guilty no matter what the evidence. She takes reasonable doubt to unreasonable levels. She can add the blood of this victim to her hands.
This is what happens when the voters don't vote "NO" on retention of these Crook County judges.
Shame.
An imperfect justice system. Shit happens and then falls through the cracks. Is this scum an illegal on top of everything else?
These judges and ASA's need to be held accountable for the piss poor plea deals, reduction of charges, inappropriate sentences, and illogical rulings.
The cook county courts are a national disgrace. Much like Illinois politicians.
This is what happens when you put socialist criminals in charge and let them appoint judges.
Was it the democrats who put these judges in place? Who votes for the democrats?
You get the government you deserve. And the innocent will suffer.
Amen I hope they drop this animal at her house with her family
How do you think the socialist voting block feels about their choices now?
Time for her to go !
Again another case in which our system failed...over...and over...again...it should come to no surprise that this savage was walking the streets thanks to another incompetent judge....Cook County best place to commit a crime...you'll be out in no time...Thank you useless judicial system!!!
If the ASA in the branch court did not agree with the judge's decision of no probable cause, he/she could have waltzed the matter over to the grand jury and got a true bill.
Maybe when/if the "details" become available, we may know more.
Here is a listing of Bar Associations and how the felt about Sullivan trying to get elected to the State Appellate Court
Laura Marie Sullivan
Bar Association Evaluations
The Chicago Bar Association says:
Judge Laura Marie Sullivan is “Qualified” for the office of Justice of the Illinois Appellate Court.
Judge Sullivan was admitted to practice law in Illinois in 1988 and served as an Assistant Cook County State’s Attorney for 14 years before her election to the Circuit Court in 2002.
Judge Sullivan is well respected by her colleagues on the bench and by those who appear before her for her legal knowledge and ability. Judge Sullivan is an experienced jurist who possesses all the requisite qualifications to serve as an Appellate Court Justice.
The Chicago Council of Lawyers says: Laura Marie Sullivan did not submit materials for evaluation. The Council finds her Not Recommended for the Appellate Court.
Other Bar Association Evaluations:
Asian American Bar Association of the Greater Chicago Area Not Qualified
Black Women Lawyers’ Association of Greater Chicago Not Recommended
Cook County Bar Association Not Recommended
Decalogue Society of Lawyers Not Recommended
Hellenic Bar Association Not Recommended
Hispanic Lawyers Association of Illinois Not Recommended
Illinois State Bar Association Not Qualified
Lesbian and Gay Bar Association of Chicago Not Recommended
Puerto Rican Bar Association of Illinois Not Qualified
Women’s Bar Association of Illinois Not Recommended
Let me guess. The scumbag is a gangbanger and the judge is in his gang's pocket?
This is NOT Judge Sharon Sullivan from Skokie, who finds everyone not guilty, it's Laura Sullivan, who is an excellent judge, married to a Law Enforcement Officer. The only time State's Attorneys put on a preliminary hearing, rather than indict the case, is when they don't want to win! The victim must have changed her story, or been shown to be less than truthful, or for some other reason the case must have gone south after charging, or it would have been INDICTED.
Now we need outrage outside of a police blog. Not going to happen, thats why I'm moving. Now, if a police officer is accused of ruffing up "this" offender, there would be outrage, marches and someone would pay(police). Its a loosing battle and nothing to get your feather ruffled about. This city won't change until it burns, decades away.
Cook County judges are the biggest bunch of softballs Ive ever seen.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The cook county courts are a national disgrace. Much like Illinois politicians.
This is what happens when you put socialist criminals in charge and let them appoint judges.
1/06/2014 02:12:00 AM
Judges here are elected, not appointed.
The Democrat Central Committee controls who gets on the ballot so that is where they control who makes judge. That and when there is a vacancy, they make sure a sitting judge retires mid term, then they appoint a "temporary" replacement. The temp then runs for full judge.
Doesn't matter though how they select judges, it was fixed when they appointed judges too. It will be fixed regardless. Ed Burke and John Daley sit and decide who is let on the ballot. You will never get an honest process out of them.
Wonder who is Sullivan's sponsor? Who was paid off to support her? The blood is all over her, she needs to. Be removed, Sullivan do the right thing resign now!!
um, hello, they can still easily go in front of a grand jury and indict. there's a reason this was sent to a prelim and not the 4th floor. something was wrong from the ASA's office point of view. it's VERY rare for a case involving violence to go to prelims. and anyway, they just take the case to the 4th floor and indict (same day even sometimes) and the case keep going. you guys should know this.
Brooklyn North at 12:16 AM
Chicago's clearance rate for murder is a miserable 25%. Chances are about 3 to 1 that one can get away with murder in Chicago.
Clearance stats on sexual assaults unknown at this time.
Glad to hear an arrest was made.
Nice job to all involved!
How is the girl doing?
By the way the asshole (off) is a Maniac Latin Disciple from Grand City, this the Gang the Supt. Destroyed.
I know there was work done on this case by the detectives, but I cannot give them the applause they are getting on the media. The offender left behind a ton of evidence that was obvious to even the man who found the poor girl. Due to the circumstances, the state crime lab rushed the DNA testing on the evidence. Basically this was a DNA hit - offender was identified for police.
What really is disturbing is - why did the detectives bring the fugitive unit in to make the arrest? As a detective, why not make the arrests yourselves?
Relax, put away the pitchforks and torches for now. There could be many reasons why NPC. Hopefully some reporter will dig up the record of the hearing and then we'll know for sure what happened to the case. And who might be to blame.
Suburban cop here.she has been a goof from day one!When going before her I just shake my head and put in my court time slip.
Different Sullivan
Not a cop. Average citizen. Love this blog. Use it to make my list come election time. These politicians need to go. Time to take our state back from these DemoRats! Fine work to the CPD!
Crook County shines again!! Of course this "young" man was no danger to society at all..... these judges need to go before a firing squad by all the victims of the offenders they let off.
Anonymous said...
Laura Marie Sullivan remember this name come election time. Tell family, friends, and whoever else that will listen. Judge Sullivan this one is on you.
1/06/2014 12:46:00 AM
How do you know? What if the victim decided not to cooperate? Prosecution kind of hard if so...
The parents and family of this young girl should be marching down LaSalle street picketing this Judge.
Isn't it amazing when a Evidence technician is ordered and a detective is their on scene to do an investigation.
Rahm might wanna think about really solving crimes instead of clearing them through house mouse tricks. Hire more Fricking Cops and Dicks
Also order up E.T's for scenes that SGT always makes excuses not to send one out.So have your Lt order it for legit cases.
Don't you think we should wait to find out what happened before finding the Judge guilty?
Anonymous said...
Excellent job by all officers in my home district (025) and a job well done by area north dicks as well as everyone else involved. Now...how do we get that judge who found no probable cause on his prior CSA arrest hung by their fucking toes??
1/06/2014 01:28:00 AM
You don't. Simple as that. In two days no one will remember and the judge slides
Someone needs to be held accountable for this. Quickly.
Like who?
The Detective or arresting Officer will get tossed under the buss in a fucking heartbeat.
But a JUDGE? Here? In Crook County? Never, never in a million years...
What happened to the Judge that was "caught" giving out probation and boot camp on cases that weren't eligible? Absolutely nothing...
1/06/2014 01:10:00 AM
and she admitted she did it and knew better and knew the law and guidelines about sentencing to boot camp, but nothing happened and nothing will Case is already forgotten
Anonymous said...
Laura Marie Sullivan remember this name come election time. Tell family, friends, and whoever else that will listen. Judge Sullivan this one is on you.
1/06/2014 12:46:00 AM
No one will remember her name in a week and FOP and the media at election time will say anything
Anyone know when she is up for retention?
Your right someone does have to be held accountable and that is only one person.. The guy that raped the girl. Laura Sullivan is a very good judge and very police friendly to us. It's not the one from Skokie
What are the CPD average annual clearance rates for murder/non-negligent manslaughter and sexual assaults?
1/06/2014 12:16:00 AM
Chicago Magazine did a story on this a few months back. I'm sure you could Google it.
Anonymous said...
[no probable cause == crime is down]
am i right, rahm, gary.
you know i am.
1/06/2014 12:26:00 AM
I don't think a finding of no probable cause affects the incident being recorded on the books. Does anyone know if it does? Someone would have to go back and unfound the case, and unless there's a 'hit squad' of dets doing that, I don't think it's possible.
Although I did hear awhile back that there WERE dets assigned to go back through 'suspended' cases and unfound them after the fact, even though they weren't originally assigned to the case.
Really surprised there was no probable cause. Case is reviewed by felony review who screen out cases and demand a good case before approving it. That said with the felony review approval, the probable cause is usually a formality because it is not a trial, just a brief hearing showing the elements of the case
"Vote no" " time for her to go" "cook county courts are a national disgrace" blah blah blah blah......... And the hard working taxpaying law abiding citizens of Americas Armpit (Shitcago) continues to vote democrat. Or not vote at all.
YOU GET WHAT YOU VOTE FOR.
***Ok, there are two Judge Sullivans that we are talking about. There is a Judge Sullivan in Skokie and a Judge Sullivan at Branch 50 (probable cause). I have seen both in action; The Skokie Sullivan is the one that lets EVERYONE go and hates the police. Branch 50 Sullivan is one of our (PO's) greatest allies. She is the best probable cause Judge I have ever seen. There MUST have something CRITICAL to the case that was missed.....lets just wait and see. Now-if you told me that Judge Sullivan from Skokie was filling in at branch 50...then FUCK HER!!!!!!!!
Interesting how the name of ones alderperson and district commander are available and complaints can be made.
Day in and day out who is the judge that decides the everyday cases affecting your neighborhood?
No one has a clue. There is no accountability on the part of judges. Oh yeah, they are rated by the bar assoc.
When a judge does get a little heat, they simply move them from say, Skokie to bridgeview till the storm passes.
Why are there no statistics on judges, the number of no probable cause, not guilties, etc.
Crime is down in Venezuela too!! Rahm better hope that actual reporters don't start showing up in Chicago or they will find that Chicago and Caracas have a lot in common.
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While the Venezuela government, notorious for its manipulation of statistics, claimed that the homicide rate dropped in 2013, to 39 per 100,000 of the population, a rather more reliable NGO puts the figure at more than double that, at 79, meaning the nation remains one of the most dangerous in the world.
According to statistics put together by the Venezuelan Observatory of Violence (Observatorio Venezolano de Violencia –OVV), murders significantly increased during 2013, with 24,763 registered homicides, bringing the country to yet another grim new record level of violence -- 79 murders per 100,000 people. Last year, the Observatory put the rate at 73 per 100,000 compared to the government-cited figure of 56 per 100,000 -- though even the lower, official figure was a record high for the country.
Over $130,000 a year, $1.00 a month for health insurance, 80% pension and "NO" liability.
It is great to be a judge in America.
Judges and prosecutors are exempt from lawsuits, inquiries, investigations and even criminal charges unless their actions are grossly and willfully negligent or malicious (that is a very high standard to meet by the way). In the meantime, police officers can be sued and charged criminally.
I would love to know the full details of the reason why she found no probable cause.
Accountable judge or States Atty?
Not in this State, City or County.
Vanecko case is proof of the credibility and this case proves the incompetence of the Illinois Judiciary.
Ditto, SCC !
Great job by all the police involved regardless of assignment. Great team effort resulting in a successful culmination of this brutal attack on that young woman.
Chicago's Finest at their finest!
Accountability for Judges or ASA????? There is NONE! They can abuse their positions without consequence and hold no culpability in our justice system. They are beyond reproach in every capacity. They are not subject to suspension w/o pay while someone reviews their conduct in the same manner officers are treated. Losing re-election is the only punishment a judge would see, and that is no where near enough retribution for allowing a criminal go free to commit another horrendous act. She should be disbarred, unable to practice law-ever, and band from holding public office of any kind, just for starters. Criminal negligence and/or accessory to a crime should be the charges pending against her. As for ASA- the police should not have to consult them for charges. This is another asinine practice that prolongs and hinders the process. ASAs only objective is to fill their resumes with easy convictions to obtain a higher seat; this compromises their position when criminals plead guilty to lesser charges thereby diminishing punishment and taking away the right of the victim to use the full force of law for a crime. These have been major issues in our system for YEARS, and yet nothing has been done to correct them. It's time to remove the insulation from responsibility of these officials and remind them who exactly they are here to serve- the law abiding citizens.
Dave savini are you listening?
Its Sharon Sullivan at Skokie, and yes she is awful but you can't hang this one on her.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Vote NO for Judge Laura Marie Sullivan for retention in the future....by the way, Who is Laura Marie Sullivan??...a thorough and brilliant Judge she is Not. She released a horrible criminal to the citizens...there is no justice. The dear 15 year old could be hers next time. Get rid of Judge Sullivan...there are plenty more where she came from...off with Judge Sullivan.
1/06/2014 01:17:00 AM
Who is her clout? Who sponsored her when she went in front of Ed Burke and John Daley etc. for a place on the ballot? You know someone heavy did it. She didn't become a judge because of her superior lawyer skills. No one does.
You get sponsored, no doubt about it. It is all a war of clout for the slating committee. They go down there and make whores of themselves telling how much they support the "party" and how many elections they worked and who they backed and how much Democratic dick and assholes they licked.
Someone reading this blog knows, for certain.
Who is Laura Marie Sullivan's clout? Out the clout. That at least gets them scrambling around like a room full of cock roaches when someone turns on the lights.
All I could find online is that she was admitted to the bar to practice law in 1987 and has been with the Cook County States Attorney Office until she made judge, date she became a judge is unknown. She was a supervisor in the criminal prosecutions unit at CCSA.
Mick Dumke of The Reader did a story on bond court including some stuff on Judge Sullivan in the Oct 16, 2013 edition.
Anyone knows her clout, post it please.
i did not know of this sullivan until now. thank you for the information and my vote will not go for her. anyone else with other experiences with other judges etc please list on the blog
I wish the victim's families and FOP would start a campaign come election time to firethis judge. It was done years ago when a judge released a criminal who beat up atraffic cop who stopped him for a traffic violation. And how about another Operation Graylord investigation?
Ya know, given his history, I was just wondering how he was out and about 'doin his thang' when he would have normally (as in almost any other city in the US) been behind bars.
Then I remembered where I am.
These guys get out because the cases are rather poor against them. The victims won't or refuse to testify.
aside from the corrupt democratic politics in Chicago, Cook County, and Illinois, and the selection of judges in that system.... who, exactly.....speaks for the victim?
Thank politicians for welcoming illegals to the sanctuary city, city , state broke , because of education,health , housing and incarceration of these illegals
OT:
Just heard gov. potato head on the news saying 'when it comes to the public, we shouldn't scrimp on safety.' Guess it's ok to spend money on salt, but not police and police pensions.
Is there a city anywhere in this country that values its police force? Just one?
Byrne used to value us, that's the last I can remember.
two behind the ear gets justice: pantoja style - fuck him!
Who didn't know this savage beast would have a criminal history 5 pages long before he got picked up for this sickening attack? Why in the fuck was this animal walking around among humans? Maybe the lazy do nothing media will ask why this pig of a judge let this subhuman piece of fecal matter go last summer, or why despite so many arrests he wasn't locked up, but I doubt it. Monsters like this don't stop after one attack, they continue until they kill. This worthless judge completely failed the victim and her family (as well as the public) by letting this animal free to commit this disgusting crime; I hope you never sleep a sound night the rest of your miserable existence on this earth. This fucking animal has a special place in hell waiting for him which he can't get to soon enough.
Maybe she's an illegal or was paid off?
You are a complete moron and a racist piece of shit.
Our court system isn't perfect but it works. Anyone on this job can be charged at a whim. Excessive force, theft, perjury even homicide are all charges that p.o's have received for decades. Some justified, but most are unjustified. When you go to court as a defendant your views change. You want a defense attorney who can work the system in your favor. You want a judge who can interpret the law fairly. You see prosecutors in a different light, vindictive and political motivated in some instances. Speaking from experience.
The only justice this animal deserves is 147 grains, It makes me sick after what he did, to think he will get "rehabilitation," 3 hots a day, free health care and maybe a high school diploma in our correction system.
Ok your still a judge if the prosecution witness doesn't want to pursue than just like you order police to come to court, then you as a conscious competent judge just do the impossible: order them to court too!!! wow that was hard! You use what judges should be doing and that's judgement...follow up on violent repeated offenders and maybe your results will end up better then throwing cases up right away!
Hey but check out some cases that are in the courts as we speak, such as you have ".1" rocker case, and they want to give them the death penalty!
It would appear that Judge Laura Marie Sullivan, who dismissed the CSA charge on a finding of no probable cause, needs the Judicial Inquiry Board to review her conduct, which is in the lowest traditions of former 'Chief Justice' James Heiple.
How can I file the complaint?
What really is disturbing is - why did the detectives bring the fugitive unit in to make the arrest? As a detective, why not make the arrests yourselves?
Anonymous
when I made detective their were 1800 dicks not counting Youth Officers or the Patronage Gang Crime Specialists. I believe before the last class we had 650 with youth detectives. It got so bad we were ordered to have fugitive arrest any one we wanted or the tac teams. How can you make arrests when your getting assignments on your day off, after this cold snap sex crimes and child sex abuse jobs will go through the roof. We are just detective phone police. When have you seen a detective do a canvass for a robbery or property crime. Used to be SOP. But then we were the police, we had to make arrests, and the lowest performers got dumped back to the districts..
NO MAN POWER no accountability
"You get what you vote for"
-I found a NOT RECOMMENDED rating for her in the March 2012 primary by the Committee to Elect Qualified Judges.
...I bet she sleeps well knowing she is responsible for what that monster did to that child.
Anonymous said...
um, hello, they can still easily go in front of a grand jury and indict. there's a reason this was sent to a prelim and not the 4th floor. something was wrong from the ASA's office point of view. it's VERY rare for a case involving violence to go to prelims. and anyway, they just take the case to the 4th floor and indict (same day even sometimes) and the case keep going. you guys should know this.
1/06/2014 07:49:00 AM
And you should know that this is what happens when an animal is set free that shouldn't be smart guy.
In 019 we just took former X/O MR's head & placed as a lovely doorstop. In the winter or when it rained u could wipe U'r feet on the mustache. No streaks, no puddles, just clean common sense...,.
It has been great watching him swishing around in a big swirl going right down the drain like the piece of crap he is. He is all washed up!!! Karma is a bitch.
Ok tommy...lay off the sauce...that was pretty inappropriate. Head back to mommy's basement now
Stop trying to defend here: he is a flat out drunk who got dumped and deserved to get dumped. He thinks screaming and yelling at people is how to manage them. Wrong.
Anonymous said...
I know there was work done on this case by the detectives, but I cannot give them the applause they are getting on the media. The offender left behind a ton of evidence that was obvious to even the man who found the poor girl. Due to the circumstances, the state crime lab rushed the DNA testing on the evidence. Basically this was a DNA hit - offender was identified for police.
What really is disturbing is - why did the detectives bring the fugitive unit in to make the arrest? As a detective, why not make the arrests yourselves?
1/06/2014 08:02:00 AM
OK, I am officially taking any credit away from the detectives and giving it to you. Also, please send in your info so you can instruct the next detective class on how to do their job correctly. You might be one of the biggest hand jobs to ever post here. There you go, another award.
Anonymous said...
OT:
Just heard gov. potato head on the news saying 'when it comes to the public, we shouldn't scrimp on safety.' Guess it's ok to spend money on salt, but not police and police pensions.
Is there a city anywhere in this country that values its police force? Just one?
Byrne used to value us, that's the last I can remember.
1/06/2014 01:26:00 PM
I got hired under Harold Washington. He wasn't anywhere near as bad as Daley. A guy I worked with said in 1989 when Daley first got elected that he would fuck us. He was oh so right.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dave savini are you listening?
1/06/2014 11:01:00 AM
Dave Savini will make his appearance in DuPage County Court.
the victim never showed, the state still put it on to see if it could stick but obviously not... so who do we blame the last victim? the judge? the state? no, we blame the offender.
In recent years, the NYPD clearance rate for criminal homicide has averaged out at only about 70 percent, down from 80 percent.
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im guessing its around 22 percent.. if that. The reason Brkly north is because you have a different system for detectives. Detectives are purly merit.. which for the det spot is good. If a copper is good he can be a detective. We have house mouses and lazy slobs make detective through a test and continue to do nothing or hide as a detective... its pretty simple.. chicago detectives (excluding a dozen or so in each area) are jokes. but, I have met some of the best homicide dics around in this city.. but they are few and far between.. the good ones know who they are and everyone else upstairs knows who they are.. the rest are sub par at best.
Anonymous said...
Dave savini are you listening?
1/06/2014 11:01:00 AM
Dave Savini wants this judge for his D.U.I. Trial in order to get acquitted!
He was doing it for his children!
Sullivan's clout is her father who was a judge for over 25 years. She has a nice family but she is a terrible judge. Every trial I've had with her in Skokie was not guilty. Sad
her sponsor and clout comes from tthe mighty 19th ward
I had over 30 yrs when I retired from C.P.D last year, Judge Sullivan in Br. 50 is an excellent judge. she has the interest of the citizens and police office in her verdicts at all times. I can't believe she would ever throw out a case without just cause. I/F.
NEWS FLASH!!!! Rham just got bitch slapped by a federal judge who ruled the city's prohibition of gun sales within city limits to be unconstitutional. I'm lovin it! 2 giant bitch slaps in less than 12 months. Gotta find my FFL application.
This crap happens so frequently in Chicago, it's absurd. You have this jagoff, you have that Viramontes prick, a career criminal, who beat two girls with a bat a few years back in 014...and the list goes on. Sadly it will continue. Maybe conceal and carry will help weed out the misfits.
Say what you will about Burge, but I suspect he may have helped these "misguided youths" find a straighter path if he had an opportunity to spend a little time with them.
As for the next election, I'm doing what I did last time; going with a well researched list. That plan doesn't always work though. I didn't vote for our current State's Attorney because of her actions relating to Richie's nephew, but I felt better knowing that I didn't help her get elected.
Stay safe...and warm.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
These guys get out because the cases are rather poor against them. The victims won't or refuse to testify.
1/06/2014 11:55:00 AM
Time for the ASA's to either suponea the complainant and Compel testimony with risk of Contempt Charges or a False Police Report Charge if they recant on the stand.
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Anonymous said...
I know there was work done on this case by the detectives, but I cannot give them the applause they are getting on the media. The offender left behind a ton of evidence that was obvious to even the man who found the poor girl. Due to the circumstances, the state crime lab rushed the DNA testing on the evidence. Basically this was a DNA hit - offender was identified for police.
What really is disturbing is - why did the detectives bring the fugitive unit in to make the arrest? As a detective, why not make the arrests yourselves?
1/06/2014 08:02:00 AM
Obviously you have been riding the VRI gravy train too long. The fugitive unit exists for this type of crime and has the manpower numbers. The question is, Why shouldn't you use the fugitive unit? Doesn't mean they weren't out looking for the jagoff. Ju means the fugitive unit is there to help locate and arrest. Great asset.
The dics may be busy going over reports, tightening up the the case with additional interviews, interviewing additional persons, doing supps for the DNA hit, supp reports for investigation, typing the interviews and so on. You're watching too much CSI dude. Typing is 80 to 90% of the time.
I'm no fan of Judge Sullivan but let's keep this in mind...she is not a rapist, shithead is. The only blame here is on the offender.
There will be times, often, that witnesses and victims don't cooperate or flip down the line but there's nothing you can do about that. Do your job right and if shithead beats it they beat it....don't let them beat cases because of your work.
It's time to stop blaming judges when these tools beat cases. Maybe it's time we, as a department, start taking pride in our investigations and don't give judges any reasons to turn these animals loose.
Nice job Area North on this one
City's gun ordinance ruled unconstitutional by federal judge
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-citys-gun-ordinance-ruled-unconstitutional-by-federal-judge-20140106,0,7182171.story
Anonymous said...
These guys get out because the cases are rather poor against them. The victims won't or refuse to testify.
1/06/2014 11:55:00 AM
And how the fuck would you know about every one of these cases and the intent of every victim to testify? Apparently, his victim in August was quite willing and the brain dead judge dismissed the case anyway.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-citys-gun-ordinance-ruled-unconstitutional-by-federal-judge-20140106,0,7182171.story
SCC
Here is another one for you. One of the offenders who shot 13 people in the park in Late in the summer was out on bond from a mureder on the 4th of July the same year.
Don't give the judges any reason to let these garbage go? We gift wrap many of our cases and still you do a piss poor job. You judges fail to do your job. Let's move these poor citizens in next door to you judge and let's see if you start doing your job!
im guessing its around 22 percent.. if that. The reason Brkly north is because you have a different system for detectives. Detectives are purly merit.. which for the det spot is good. If a copper is good he can be a detective. We have house mouses and lazy slobs make detective through a test and continue to do nothing or hide as a detective... its pretty simple.. chicago detectives (excluding a dozen or so in each area) are jokes. but, I have met some of the best homicide dics around in this city.. but they are few and far between.. the good ones know who they are and everyone else upstairs knows who they are.. the rest are sub par at best.
I'd like to know where you work and what you do in that district or unit. I'm guessing that you really don't DO shit, only talk it.
There's no question that there are meatheads in the detective division but if you think the clearance rate is a result of the caliber of detective assigned to a particular investigation you've never actually bern involved in one.
Reasons #1,2, and 3 for the abysmal clearance rates are the shitbag witnesses and victims and the inability of the CPD, and the unwillingness of the CCSAO to do anything about it.
Reason #4 is that fact that the CCSAO's criteria of approving felony charges is based on whether they think the case is winnable in court (see #s 1-3) not whether the crime was actually committed by the arrestee.
So, although you have met great detectives throughout the city they apparently don't think enough of you to tell the truth.
Anonymous said...
Ok your still a judge if the prosecution witness doesn't want to pursue than just like you order police to come to court, then you as a conscious competent judge just do the impossible: order them to court too!!! wow that was hard! You use what judges should be doing and that's judgement...follow up on violent repeated offenders and maybe your results will end up better then throwing cases up right away!
1/06/2014 03:34:00 PM
A judge should order a criminal sexual assault victim to court? You are an ignoramus.
"What really is disturbing is - why did the detectives bring the fugitive unit in to make the arrest? As a detective, why not make the arrests yourselves?"
1/06/2014 08:02:00 AM
Yeah, what's wrong with those Det's, they should have just gone to his last known address, knocked on the door and told him to come out. Yeah, what's wrong with those Det's. They could have called me between calls on my beat and I could have arrested him. Yeah, what's wrong with me. . .
Anonymous Anonymous said...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-citys-gun-ordinance-ruled-unconstitutional-by-federal-judge-20140106,0,7182171.story
1/06/2014 08:18:00 PM
Wow!!
Chicago may yet experience the freedoms enjoyed by the rest of the United States!!!
The crime that happened here is awful and I hope the you g lady recovers. But Is it possible that the judge found no PC in the other case because there was no PC? Maybe a borderline case that a right thinking ASA took a chance on? Does anyone have any FACTS about the first case?
To both posts against my original post---
The detective unit is always criticized by hdqs for not making arrests. This DNA hit was a "gimme". No other investigative work identified this offender other than the DNA that the offender left behind in multiple evidentiary locations. Not only did thiis DNA hit afford the D unit an opportunity to make an arrest, but some would think a detective who worked this case would have wanted to arrest this asshole. Yes I know about paperwork and interviews involved, and I also know it is much, much less when there is one victim. (Opposed to a crime pattern with numerous victims and multiple scenes)
Fugitive was once a great unit when it was very first created. In the initial stage they only went after actual federal fugitives, ten most wanted kind of bad guys. Then they got local fugitives. Slowly, the unit became a joke, a numbers game, locking up shoplifters on bench warrants and looking for a "gimme" arrest from other units or districts.
Sorry to offend you, but I stand firm. This poster still believes in personal investigative pride, not lying to yourself about how much work a case really took to solve, and awards are absolutely meaningless to old school cops.
Really surprised there was no probable cause. Case is reviewed by felony review who screen out cases and demand a good case before approving it. That said with the felony review approval, the probable cause is usually a formality because it is not a trial, just a brief hearing showing the elements of the case
1/06/2014 09:23:00 AM
An officer or detective needs to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to get charges approved by felony review in cook county for some reason
Anonymous said...
To both posts against my original post---
The detective unit is always criticized by hdqs for not making arrests. This DNA hit was a "gimme". No other investigative work identified this offender other than the DNA that the offender left behind in multiple evidentiary locations. Not only did thiis DNA hit afford the D unit an opportunity to make an arrest, but some would think a detective who worked this case would have wanted to arrest this asshole. Yes I know about paperwork and interviews involved, and I also know it is much, much less when there is one victim. (Opposed to a crime pattern with numerous victims and multiple scenes)
Fugitive was once a great unit when it was very first created. In the initial stage they only went after actual federal fugitives, ten most wanted kind of bad guys. Then they got local fugitives. Slowly, the unit became a joke, a numbers game, locking up shoplifters on bench warrants and looking for a "gimme" arrest from other units or districts.
Sorry to offend you, but I stand firm. This poster still believes in personal investigative pride, not lying to yourself about how much work a case really took to solve, and awards are absolutely meaningless to old school cops.
1/06/2014 10:13:00 PM
Why do you feel the need to critique the manner in which the animal was picked up and boo boo the fact the media is giving kudos to the detectives for solving this case regardless of whether it was because of a DNA match or some other technique? Because it was a DNA match it's not worthy in your eyes of being mentioned in the paper or on the news? I'm sure you're so smart that you would have ignored the DNA match, used an investigative technique only known to you, bypassed the fugitive unit and made the arrest solo. Get over yourself, a vicious animal is off the street- that's the story. Quit worrying about the level of difficulty in solving the case, which unit picked him up and to whom and how much credit should be given.
Commander Navarro really looked sexy in his dress blues!!!!!
An imperfect justice system. Shit happens and then falls through the cracks. Is this scum an illegal on top of everything else?
Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens.
In 019 we just took former X/O MR's head & placed as a lovely doorstop. In the winter or when it rained u could wipe U'r feet on the mustache. No streaks, no puddles, just clean common sense...,.
It has been great watching him swishing around in a big swirl going right down the drain like the piece of crap he is. He is all washed up!!! Karma is a bitch.
Ok tommy...lay off the sauce...that was pretty inappropriate. Head back to mommy's basement now
Stop trying to defend here: he is a flat out drunk who got dumped and deserved to get dumped. He thinks screaming and yelling at people is how to manage them. Wrong.
ENOUGH about Ryan already! You wanted him gone…he's gone. Stop bitching about him…what are lazy slobs in 019 going to bitch about NOW? When will your attitude change, and you go out there and be the real police in your neck of the woods? Because you guys have a lot of robberies occurring up there too, you know. And you think Ryan's washed up? He's an Inspector. They get a take home car, make their own hours. How is that a bad job? The sad thing is, there are plenty of fuckups out there who will give him and other Inspectors job security for many, many years to come.
This judge is a former C.C.S.A who prosecuted hundreds of violent gang members and always respected the police officers and detectives she worked with.
Not knowing the particulars in this case, it is premature to condemn her before the facts are known.
No doubt this was another horrific example of our fucked up criminal justice system, and someone has to be held accountable but based on her record I doubt it highly that she would let this animal walk unless she had no choice.
I'm sure there's more to it than the dics assigned this case go knock on his door and arrest him. Everyone had their paws on this up the command ladder inclluding city hall and the decision was made to get fugitive involved.
What about judge Diane C. who said "oops you caught me" regarding sending violent thugs to boot camp instead of prison.....only for the thug going out and committing further violent crimes. Time for the public to take a solid stand on this issue.
Anonymous said...
The crime that happened here is awful and I hope the you g lady recovers. But Is it possible that the judge found no PC in the other case because there was no PC? Maybe a borderline case that a right thinking ASA took a chance on? Does anyone have any FACTS about the first case?
1/06/2014 10:07:00 PM
And judge Sullivan reads the blog and responds now judge do your job, or better yet please resign in disgrace!
To both posts against my original post---
The detective unit is always criticized by hdqs for not making arrests. This DNA hit was a "gimme". No other investigative work identified this offender other than the DNA that the offender left behind in multiple evidentiary locations. Not only did thiis DNA hit afford the D unit an opportunity to make an arrest, but some would think a detective who worked this case would have wanted to arrest this asshole. Yes I know about paperwork and interviews involved, and I also know it is much, much less when there is one victim. (Opposed to a crime pattern with numerous victims and multiple scenes)
Fugitive was once a great unit when it was very first created. In the initial stage they only went after actual federal fugitives, ten most wanted kind of bad guys. Then they got local fugitives. Slowly, the unit became a joke, a numbers game, locking up shoplifters on bench warrants and looking for a "gimme" arrest from other units or districts.
Sorry to offend you, but I stand firm. This poster still believes in personal investigative pride, not lying to yourself about how much work a case really took to solve, and awards are absolutely meaningless to old school cops.
1/06/2014 10:13:00 PM
Hey Maa Caaarthay. Did you read this? Thanks again.
Sorry to offend you, but I stand firm. This poster still believes in personal investigative pride, not lying to yourself about how much work a case really took to solve, and awards are absolutely meaningless to old school cops.
1/06/2014 10:13:00 PM
I'm in the D unit and we (at least in the district I'm assigned to) ALWAYS have fugitives or the mission team pick up our arrests. Part of it is numbers, and part of it is we are too undermanned to go out looking for people....let alone there is never anyone to go out with to make an arrest.
I work in a BUSY district far from the area. With everyone spread out into their respective districts, good luck finding anyone to go out with, not to mention the time it takes for travel. Fugitives have your guy within hours. Maybe this wasn't their intended purpose, but they get the job done. They've got the manpower, covert cars, shackles and the proper weaponry if need be.
I'd rather be able to solve more cases by not wasting my time looking for someone than being able to say I was the one who first put my hands on the guy. Who cares how you get the guy as long as you get him?
Who cares if the case was a DNA hit? You use the tools you've got. And it's awfully presumptive of you that the dets are lying to themselves about how much work it took. You must be the greatest det in the city, or think you are. Know-it-all, salty dog. You must be a pleasure to work with.
This isn't the police dept. or D unit of old.
Anonymous said...
"What really is disturbing is - why did the detectives bring the fugitive unit in to make the arrest? As a detective, why not make the arrests yourselves?"
1/06/2014 08:02:00 AM
Exactly why is that "really disturbing?"
This judge story gets ZERO mention across the board on Chicago's newscasts. All that is important is the sub-zero weather & how to stay warm and get to warming centers, so this story really has fell through the cracks.
1/6/2014 10:13pm:
You are an idiot. You have absolutely no knowledge of this case, so quit pretending. If you are a detective, take a real good look at yourself in the mirror and maybe you will understand why you are not on a homicide team. Your attitude sucks, your personality is ugly, and you are a selfish goof.
Quit blaming everyone else because you are not happy in your position. Quit knocking other detectives because of your jealousy. Start being a man.
Lots of people posting a lot of accusations without knowing what actually happened.
The crime that happened here is awful and I hope the you g lady recovers. But Is it possible that the judge found no PC in the other case because there was no PC? Maybe a borderline case that a right thinking ASA took a chance on? Does anyone have any FACTS about the first case?
Felony review does not approve borderline cases or takes chances on cases
I got hired under Harold Washington.
+++++++++++++++++
So did I. Harold knew how to play the game. He wasn't perfect and he would take care of his people like anyone else but we would not have been hurt by him like we were by Daley and now this prick Rahm. Plus he was a funny mofo.
The job was rally fun back then.
Sorry to offend you, but I stand firm. This poster still believes in personal investigative pride, not lying to yourself about how much work a case really took to solve, and awards are absolutely meaningless to old school cops.
Amen
Is Judge Sullivan "a legacy" jurist? In terms of judicial slating and appointments, the Democrats have a soft spot when it comes to nepotism and family trees. Judge Harold Sullivan was the presiding judge for the Skokie courthouse for almost an eternity until he was pushed into retirement.
There is one appointed judge whose
grandfathers (maternal and paternal) were a former alderman and ward committeeman over seventy plus years ago and this still translates as "juice." It is shocking how many judges have connections dating back to players who predate Capone.
Sorry to offend you, but I stand firm. This poster still believes in personal investigative pride, not lying to yourself about how much work a case really took to solve, and awards are absolutely meaningless to old school cops.
1/06/2014 10:13:00 PM
Now that, my friends, is a cop. Bravo, my friend. We are too few and far between.
ENOUGH about Ryan already! You wanted him gone…he's gone. Stop bitching about him…what are lazy slobs in 019 going to bitch about NOW? When will your attitude change, and you go out there and be the real police in your neck of the woods? Because you guys have a lot of robberies occurring up there too, you know. And you think Ryan's washed up? He's an Inspector. They get a take home car, make their own hours. How is that a bad job? The sad thing is, there are plenty of fuckups out there who will give him and other Inspectors job security for many, many years to come.
1/07/2014 12:01:00 AM
We can't wash the horrific memory of his presence off 19 because he has yet to leave!!! He lives in the old 19w w/c office.
And yes, he and other worthless, spineless turds like him will always get ahead. That said he has to look at himself in the mirror and know how far and wide he is hated, maybe one day he will have regrets.
Oh and about the lazy slobs in 19? Not all of us are lazy slobs here, just like you are probably one of the few in your (lucky) district.
Why I pass my arrests off to guys in the districts and units. I do not get credit for arrests, I get credit for closing cases. So, if I can give a officer a easy pinch and let them get credit for it, why not. Fugitive apprehension gets involved usually based off of our investigative alerts or a request is made by the lead detective. I never do a investigative alerts until the guys I have given the offender info tell me they have exhausted all leads. I call it looking out for each other, not laziness. Maybe stop in and see the detectives once in awhile and maybe you'll get thrown that bone some day.
My experience with the criminal justice system suggests there were problems with the August case.
Normally, in Cook County, the determination of probable cause in sex and murder cases is made by the grand jury rather than a judge at a preliminary hearing.
The grand jury proceeding is secret, and the witnesses are not subject to cross-examination by the defense. Whereas, the preliminary hearing is open to the public, and the witnesses are subject to cross.
When the prosecution proceeds to a preliminary hearing in a sex or murder case, normally, there is a problem with the case, probably a big one.
Here, after a finding of no probable cause, the prosecution could have presented the case to the grand jury. That is, if the prosecution felt it was a viable case.
However, I was not there so who knows what the problem was.
However, I was not there so who knows what the problem was.
1/07/2014 09:38:00 PM
Exactly.
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