Justice System Hates Minority Victims
If you're a minority woman and a victim in Cook County, "don't expect justice" appears to be the message being pressed by the system yesterday:
- Stumbling over a defense attorney’s questions after revealing intimate details of a rape she said she suffered in August at the hands of a Belmont-Cragin man, a Hispanic woman testified in front of a Cook County judge last summer that she didn’t fully understand English.
The attorney cross-examining the Spanish-speaking woman asked if it would be easier for her to answer with an interpreter, and she said, “Yes, please.” Instead, Cook County Judge Laura M. Sullivan asked the defense attorney to rephrase the question, and the Sept. 17 preliminary hearing continued, according to a transcript obtained by the Chicago Sun-Times.
When it ended, records show, the judge found there was no probable cause and effectively dismissed a criminal sexual-assault charge against Luis Pantoja, 25. He was released from the Cook County jail the same day, authorities said, but on Tuesday, he was ordered held again in lieu of $2.5 million bail.
Seriously? The victim was so confused that THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY ASKED FOR AN INTERPRETER so the victim, the prosecutor's main witness, could appropriately answer his questions.
But the judge told him to rephrase the question and continue the questioning without getting an interpreter.
Pardon our French, but what the fuck? If the defense attorney recognized a problem, it is appalling that the judge didn't, let alone the ASA prosecuting the case.
Anita's Chief of Staff, the infamous Dan Kirk, is backfilling like there's no tomorrow:
But the judge told him to rephrase the question and continue the questioning without getting an interpreter.
Pardon our French, but what the fuck? If the defense attorney recognized a problem, it is appalling that the judge didn't, let alone the ASA prosecuting the case.
Anita's Chief of Staff, the infamous Dan Kirk, is backfilling like there's no tomorrow:
- But Dan Kirk, chief of staff to Cook County State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez, said there seemed to be no need for an interpreter — despite the alleged victim’s interactions with multiple prosecutors — until that “blistering” cross-examination.
“From what I can glean, nobody in that courtroom, you know, came to the conclusion that an interpreter was legitimately needed,” Kirk said.
And at that point, he said, the judge was in charge of the courtroom.
And you can tell that the Cook County Court people are nervous because Chief Judge Tim Evans' people are making press releases:
- On Tuesday, the Cook County chief judge’s office said in an email that judges can’t comment on pending matters. It sent that note after the Sun-Times sought comment this week from Sullivan and her presiding judge.
The Sun Times actually got a transcript of the hearing:
- Public Defender: “Isn’t it true that you wanted to have sex with him and you wanted him to wear a condom?”
Woman: “Yes.”
PD: “And he did wear a condom, didn’t he?”
Woman: “He didn’t.”
PD: “He did not?”
Woman: “No.”
PD: “Then you wanted to have sex a second time; isn’t that right?”
Woman: “No.”
PD: “Did you have sex a second time?”
Woman: “No.”
PD: “You only had sex one time at the [relative’s] house?”
Woman: “No. Never.”
PD: “I thought you said that you did have sex?”
Woman: “No, because I didn’t, that’s why I told my lawyer that sometimes I don’t understand because I don’t completely speak English. I’m trying to explain the best I can.”
PD: “Would it be easier for you if you had an interpreter?”
Woman: “Yes, please.”
You can't tell us that the entire cross didn't get fucked up by the phraseology that the Public Defender used in the opening line - "Isn't it true...." The rest of the cross examination was built upon that misinterpretation by someone who obviously knows very little English and is uncomfortable with the nuances of legal proceedings. Even coppers who end up on the stand regularly have to pause when the defense starts with double-negatives, blanket assumptions, "Isn't it true..." or "Would it be safe to say..." type questions meant to throw you off your stride. A foreign-born non-English speaking person wouldn't have a chance. In fact, that's exactly what happened:
So now we find out that not only did Anita's people drop the ball, failing to have an interpreter on hand, the judge blew her responsibility to ensure that the proceeding was conducted properly and in manner to elicit proper testimony for a fair hearing.
You can tell that this one has the potential for a lot of damage to the political set seeing as how the State's Attorney and the Chief Judge have their mouthpieces out there front-and-center. A minority woman fell through the cracks due to the negligence of Anita's office (minority female), the judge (female) and the system (run by a minority chief judge). And another minority teen female paid a horrendous price.
We'll guarantee this though - that jagoff rapist is gong to have a proper interpreter versed in both Spanish and Sign Language at all of his hearings. Take it to the bank.
- The woman later told the prosecutor she did not, nor did she want to, have sex with Pantoja in his bedroom. She said she didn’t understand the public defender’s question.
So now we find out that not only did Anita's people drop the ball, failing to have an interpreter on hand, the judge blew her responsibility to ensure that the proceeding was conducted properly and in manner to elicit proper testimony for a fair hearing.
You can tell that this one has the potential for a lot of damage to the political set seeing as how the State's Attorney and the Chief Judge have their mouthpieces out there front-and-center. A minority woman fell through the cracks due to the negligence of Anita's office (minority female), the judge (female) and the system (run by a minority chief judge). And another minority teen female paid a horrendous price.
We'll guarantee this though - that jagoff rapist is gong to have a proper interpreter versed in both Spanish and Sign Language at all of his hearings. Take it to the bank.
Labels: crime, un-fucking-believable
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I hope the Hispanic community remembers this favor the democrats (socialists) did that day. Remember it when you vote.
What the fook?
This is disgusting.
Imagine how many others are getting shoved through Anita's "justice" system just like this woman that never receive the media attention this case has.
Methinks there's a Pulitzer in there somewhere for the journalist(s) intrepid enough to investigate the records and paint the picture of how often people are treated like human garbage under Anita's idea of "justice for all". Take a look at the way Anita targets and treats police officers in Chicago as well, while you're at it.
Imperfect English? Sorry, the crime never happened - at least according to Anita.
They have interpreters at traffic court and translating services at the vehicle impoundment hearings. I can't believe this judge dropped the ball like this. I don't think this is a issue of a minority victim but more of a dumb ass judge who obviously has no one to answer to.
What a disgusting POS this judge is. She sure did make sure that fucking animal had a sign language interpreter at the pc hearing tho.
The system hates victims. Even in sport events opposing sides enter the arena through separate entrances. Victims and offenders all walking happily together to court. Who the hell would want to go through that? Not to mention political hack judges. Street justice is the best justice in Cook Co.
Its going to cost a fortune to house and segregate this asshole because of his medical condition. And 1 bullet in a revolver at time of arrest ? Typical shithead handgun. Thank goodness he is off the streets.
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Anonymous said...
Next Sgts class will begin late February after the one in there now graduates. They are doing merit interviews now and will be a class of 50-60.
1/07/2014 02:45:00 PM
Don't we need to take the second part of the sgt exam to even be considered for the merit process?
Chicago Trib's breaking news site has a story that this guy fondled a relative a couple of years ago.
"...In that case Chicago police asked for a felony review of charges from the Cook County state's attorney's office after Pantoja allegedly "touched the victim uninvitingly on various parts of her body," including her buttocks, and made contact with her breasts, the arrest report states.
That request was denied because of conflicting statements from the victim and because prosecutors were not certain they could meet the statutory requirement of proving Pantoja had experienced sexual gratification, said Dan Kirk, chief of staff for State's Attorney Anita Alvarez...."
whelp,
we have seen the black community waking up to the realization that they have been trained and conditioned to vote in a certain manner.
the evidence of the above can be seen all across social media as they call for the ouster of not just the aldermen or mayor, governor, or state reps but all the way up to obama at the top and what they are calling the 'buffer Negros' at the bottom
[ 'buffer Negros' are defined within the black community as black leaders paid to be the dnc's guard dog. you see black people are not going to listen to what politicians like rahm has to say and so they need a black man to read the scripts, keep tabs on the community and report back. that's where your sharptons, farrakahns, and jacksons come in ]
enough is enough and they want them all to hit the road because the results speaks louder than there words
the Hispanic community should take note. just because a politician has a certain sir name or is a certain color doesn't mean 'he/she'e your guy' that will act in your interest,
the 5th floor closed 50 of your schools
the 5th floor closed your community mental healthcare centers.
the 5th floor is taking your pensions.
the 5th floor wants to take your guns and make you dependent on the 5th floor for your safety and protection
count the number of crime victims and ask yourself how that's working out for you.
ask the 5th floor where are the jobs.
where was the 5th floor as cps demanded schools to stay open during a major weather crisis leaving the communities that the 5th floor rules over to fend for itself.
vote these people out my friends
Minority communities in Chicago have sell outs representing them. They are bought and paid for by the socialist Democratic Party and serve only to keep those communities down and voting democrat.
What do you think now? How have you been served by the Jacksons, Sharpton, Rush, Davis, Gutierrez? Are they living well off of your money? Do they represent you and your communities or themselves?
Any judge speaks with the voice of God. In the courtroom the judge is God and can do no wrong. That's just the way it is.
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While everyone is concerned about the weather, President Obama has nominated the defense attorney for the killer of policeman Daniel Faulkner to be an Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division. See the website Powerline for additional details.
We've all testified at various court houses throughout the City of Chicago. Why does anything Cook County does still surprise us. From the citizens who continue to vote these judges back to the bench. To the judges who keep making up the law as they go along. Does any of it make sense?
Why should we be surprised?
Fucking Right! Well written!
That is a fascinating read SCC. Very strange how it was handled .Your pointing out the use of the double negative is so right on. The woman was obviously confused. But then she tried to tell them " No! I never wanted sex ." This savage was let go to prey on a poor kid heading to school. By all accounts, it was an extremely terrifying , brutal, attack. Nice job Cook County justice system. I guess this animals' prior convictions raised no red flags. " This woman can't even understand English. Next case." This is just horrid.
There can be no justice until the judicial branch is held accountable.
How many times does Anita have to drop the ball to get her out of the game? Bye bye!
fire that fuck**g judge there is no time for this shit .
Who cares? I don't live in the city. What are you going to do about it. Us judges are untouchable you know!
Regarding the email stating that judges can't comment on pending matters:
How is the matter still pending if there was a finding of NPC?
Or do they mean "pending" in the media?
Judges handling of this case was unconscionable.
I'm so sorry for the treatment the first victim received.
We have made certain that the politically connected are taken care of. We have made certain that minorities are taken care of (the politically connected ones that it is). Now....can we make sure that the real victims are taken care of.
The most corrupt city in the most corrupt state in this Country. Chicago is a cancer that continues to spread throughout this land.
Early in the twentieth century all towns had a little "wink and a nod". Prohibition established Chicago as a dirty town. Mayor Daley and his ilk took it to a new level. With the successful "election" of John Kennedy due to this Cook County machine Chicago's position as the epicenter of political corruption was cemented into history.
Here we are, proud as can be. Chicago has put two presidents in the White House. Yeah.
Isn't it true...
that Shitcago is a skid mark in America's underpants?
Excellent read, SCC. What do All the nay sayers sticking up for the judge these last couple of days - "let's see how this plays out" & "there's more to the story" - have to say now.
It appears that everyone did their job, from the police, ASA, and even the Public Defender, who could tell the victim didn t understand. Everyone did their job EXCEPT JUDGE SULLIVAN and a teenage girl paid the price for Judge Sullivan's arrogance.
Anita needs to go too. She is a stroke.
Why was this case not taken to the grand jury in the first place? Aren't most cases at 66 GJ cases.
Tragically, due to the incompetence and utter corruption of the cook county judicial system this is an everyday occurrence. There are literally thousands of animals roaming the streets that should be caged and there are many victims in this case (and others) who would have never been victimized if the system wasn't broken.
Who was the ASA conducting the preliminary hearing? The judge is incompetent for not asking for an interpreter, but the ASA is just as much at fault.
But Dan Kirk, chief of staff to Cook County State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez, said there seemed to be no need for an interpreter — despite the alleged victim’s interactions with multiple prosecutors — until that “blistering” cross-examination.
“From what I can glean, nobody in that courtroom, you know, came to the conclusion that an interpreter was legitimately needed,” Kirk said.
And at that point, he said, the judge was in charge of the courtroom.
Wonder how Dan Kirk got it, what he can glean?
You know? What a goof, can't even do proper English! That is why no justice is served, this system is really broken, we have enough problems doing out jobs will the sheeple ever have enough and vote them all out?
Wonder whose little girl this judge is? What was the buy in?
How many more innocent people have to suffer at the hands of our horrible justice system? Violent offenders get released early only to kill people. How many times has that happened in the past few years? Too many. Judges who find no probable cause or let offenders off with barely a slap on the wrist. Too many innocent, actual victims have paid the price and enough is enough. Judges have to start being held accountable. How many more victims will there be before something changes? I bet if that 15 year old was related to a judge or politician, things would change immediately. If the victim in August was related to someone "important" that case would have been handled different.
Anonymous said...
Judges handling of this case was unconscionable.
I'm so sorry for the treatment the first victim received.
1/08/2014 05:19:00 AM
It is entirely possible the case was weak, hence the reason for it to be in court for a prelim hearing. Sex cases aren't usually taken to a prelim hearing, they go to the grand jury for direct indictment. Weak cases go for a hearing.
The bottom line is the victim asked for an interpreter and was denied one by the judge. This was not a mistake, which we're all prone to making, it was gross incompetence and for that she should be removed from the bench immediately. Can you imagine if the animal had asked for an interpreter and was denied one? It wouldn't have happened. The blood of this monster's most recent attack is all over the hands of this piece of shit judge. Not sure how she will be able to live with herself, but more than likely she doesn't care.
Curious if this was the judge's last case of the day and she was eager to hurry and be done with it so she could sneak out early (like many judges do) to get out on the golf course. Please, intrepid reporter reading this, look into whether or not that is the case. I haves 15 year old daughter. This sickens me.
I've seen it at my district desk. One female P.O. on third watch treats Hispanic walk ins like garbage. Treating them rude and nasty so they walk out.
Why don't they just send this case to the grand jury? If they can indict a ham sandwich, they should be able to indict this evil prick.
I am retired a few years, but my experience with the states attorneys in the branch courts has been mixed. Often I have found them indifferent, unprepared and uncaring. Documents get lost in financial cases, witnesses are not properly prepared and then you run into the frequent rotation of prosecutors in a branch and you have to start all over again. Alvarez is a hack as have been most of our elected prosecutors. People just do not read the papers and many do not care. I really don't think this will hurt anyones chances for reelection.
The States Attorney still has the ability to indict a case after a finding of no probable cause. ASAs chose not to do so. This one is on ASAs.
O.T.re: DSS order-somehow we all need to just stick together-period. POs,Sgts and LTs! There still are some good supervisors, who look out for us and we dont even realize it. Hell my Lieutenant is on the street all the time and he treats us like adults! Three or four Sgts come to mind are top notch too. Take care of each other!
Poverty pimps. Judge Evans was the 4th ward alderman, he got greased for his current position. Damn shame he is in position to maintain public safety but he does not give a fuck. Demons are let loose each day. Cops see this disgusting aspect of life and the States Attorney will not prosecute unless it is a win win. We are in a terrible situation.
The county is trying to save money by not using interpreters.
As a defense lawyer and ex-prosecutor, I find this pretty curious. It's always hard to know for sure what happened if you weren't there (as you all know). Sure does look like the testimony should have been halted right there and an interpreter summoned. But it's pretty easy to snipe at people's performance in retrospect when they were acting in the heat of battle and maybe didn't fully apprehend what was happening.
As you all know.
Everyone is in damage control mode now. Watch them squirm.
Why is Alvarez taking so much time to free Alstory Simon and indict David Protess at the Innocence Project? Alvarez has to go.
Its going to cost a fortune to house and segregate this asshole because of his medical condition.
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What medical condition? If you're referring to being deaf, that is NOT a medical condition.
Remember Laura M. Sullivan at election time. Vote "NO" for her on the ballot. Voting yes or no for judges is an Important part of voting that most people skip. Make notes like this all year and then do the right thing.
Not that I really care but, What say you Luis Guiterrez?
This is outrageous. She asked for an interpreter and the judge denied her that service. Like you said, even native born English speakers have a hard time answering questions that are laced with negatives, double negatives and rephrased questions at a blistering pace one right after another. Someone who has difficulty speaking and understanding English would become terribly confused in a flash. Shame on this judge. If this judge continues to get a vote of yes and is on the bench than that would be the ultimate travesty. She doesn't belong on the bench. Her arrogant ass deserves to be thrown off that bench.
O.T. 025th District Haters
To all of the haters who are hating on me, my numbers speak for themselves. I have more arrests, more felony arrests, more felony dui's, etc. than most of you haters. Keep on hating me. In the meantime I will keep doing my job and reel in the dough. Now go ahead and make your dopw or obstruction of traffic by a non motorist arrest of a 100 pound gang banger. It's funny how most of you guys never go south of Armitage and are always in the 20 sector. Yet you are the real police and I am not.
I'm of Irish heritage (born in Galway) and am always embarrassed at election time by all these ignorant, Southside Irish who continually vote Dumbocratic because their parents were beholden to King Richard 1st, but also vote for anyone (judge) with an Irish surname.
Anita will insist that a fellow hispanic be trated with all the proper safeguards, screw the victim!!
I did notice that most of the major news outlets did not mention this error to the taxpaying public.
More controlled press
One can clearly see that the family in a news clip does not speak english. So if the public defender representing the piece of shit that raped the victim asked if she prefer a Spanish interpreter that means there wasn't one present during the probable cause hearing. My question is this then, how the fuck did the states attorney interview and prep the victim for the probable cause hearing? If the ASA had used an interpreter for interview and prep,an interpreter would of been present for the hearing. So how did the ASA communicate with the victim who doesn't speak english??
Wow. This is bad.
It's just another example of people we're suppose to put our trust in passing the buck because they are so warped after being on the job for longer than they should have been. The judge in the case is sitting up there thinking she's heard it all making her unavailable to hear what's really going on. (Ironic isn't it.)(the deaf not minding the deaf.) And now of course we have these polititians trying to out yell each other in the hopes of capturing the camera's lens for a sound bite. There's always going to be some innocent child or someone else who can't protect themselves from these animals that are unleashed by the people we hope are paying attention...or at the very least- listening.
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Anonymous said...
Next Sgts class will begin late February after the one in there now graduates. They are doing merit interviews now and will be a class of 50-60.
1/07/2014 02:45:00 PM
Don't we need to take the second part of the sgt exam to even be considered for the merit process?
1/08/2014 12:30:00 AM
No cause they are still using the old list. Once the new list is complete then the old list is gone.
This flies in the face of justice, it should have been appealed purely on procedural grounds. Sullivan should also be removed from the bench and disbarred for this laughable incompetence.
This story needs to be passed around as much as possible and repeated as often as possible to as many people as will listen.
I'm so sick of the incompetence and corruption in this city and the astroturfing campaigns they come out with to cover their asses when they mess up, which is way too often. What's it gonna take for the feds to start investigating someone other than a couple governors and senators who won't kiss Mike Madigan's ass? This problem is a lot deeper than Blago, the Jacksons, etc.
When preckwinkle sez that minorities (read afro-american) are overrepresented in jail, does she also say that minorities are also over-represented in the VICTIM category too? Typical politician and an example that empty barrels make the most noise!
How hard can it be to get or find an interpreter that speaks spanish. Half of the building speaks spanish and if the public defender sees the problem and addresses it in court, he would have no problem with it
ASA in courtroom dropped the ball if he or she needed one and didnt ask. If the ASA asked for a continuance, you can bet they would find an interpreter
Anonymous said...
I hope the Hispanic community remembers this favor the democrats (socialists) did that day. Remember it when you vote.
1/08/2014 12:18:00 AM
Keep dreaming, like thats going to happen. They will just continue to push the big "D" and do what the precinct captain says
The blame shoukd go all the way around the state and county. If the asa really wanted to do her job right, she could of objected and stopped proceedings for an interpreter, but she didn't. Acountability is no where except at the poluce level. If we do or don't do our job, we are fucked either way. A few years ago when that asa got pushed, he was able to get agg batt charges approved no proble, wverytine we call with legitimate battery's, denied, denied. Accountability needs to start at the top, from judge evans all the way to the lowly felony review asa.we do our jobs, now lets see if u can. Do yours.
In other postings it was mentioned that this judge in the past was fair to police and hard on criminals. I'm thinking that it's time she said I'm human I goofed I was wrong. But I'm sure only 'spin' is allowed these days, not truth and not apologies when someone messes up.
Also, I once heard one of the founders and instructors of SANE (Sexual Assault Nurse Examiners) praise the Illinois Sexual Assault code as one of the most progressive in the nation because it defined sexual assault as non consensual touching of genital areas. Haven't worked with this in years, I'm assuming this means purposeful touching. So where does sexual gratification enter in? There is no statutory requirement to meet that unless it was added in the last 10 years- doubt that!
Dear moron who insists on continuing to use the "word" "whelp" to start his/her much insightful social commentary - Stop.
Full Definition of WHELP
1
: any of the young of various carnivorous mammals and especially of the dog
2
: a young boy or girl
And if you are going to retort by using the "urban dictionary" as a justification for words that don't actually exist, such as "finna," quit while you're ahead.
Clumps of letters are either words or are not words. Your continued use of a non-word is quite simply annoying, let alone, wrong. Stop contributing to the cause of the social engineers who claim that it is OK to say that 2 + 2 = 5, "as long as you tried, your answer isn't wrong."
The thing is that to the ASA and the judge it was just business as usual.
Maybe if it would've been someone important getting raped, like lets say Vanecko, or Patrick. Then somebody would've given a fuck.
How bout that new NBC series about the Chicago P.D. Supposedly tells it like it is, about a tough on crime PD.
Cook or crook county has the most inept judges asa's in the State politicians want it that way to stay in control of their minions. Keep voting democratic and nothing will change.
It's my gut feeling that there is more to this offender that needs investigation. Is he in this country legally ? If not why has he not been deported. It appears he has had a lot of contact with the criminal justice system to make that determination.
I've always wondered why we address judges as "your honor." Where's the honor in this? This is disgraceful and a disservice (to say the least) to minority victims and the criminal justice system as a whole. It's appalling and it doesn't look like it's going to get better.
Where is Northwestern University and its lawyers demanding justice for the victim(s)? Oh thats right they only attack the Justice System on the Offender's behalf.
"Justice" system? It is a system but it has no relationship to justice , probably never has.
old retired guy
SCC a minority advocate? Did your collective being's ass take a fall on the ice?
OT. Is Kirby gone?
tell more about this no good bitch of a judge
where is she from?????
what is wrong with this judge.
I've noticed that many of these female irish pigs that become judges are just awful on the bench
I have had numerous cases over the years appear in Skokie courtrooms. Some were in front of this same judge in particular, other cases were in front of equally disillusioned judges. Myself and coworkers can all agree that the offenders were the only element catered to. Skokie courthouse is equally an offender's and defense attorney's wet dream. Felony cases are dumped quicker than last night's burrito over in Skokie. The judges are by far for the defense in nearly all cases. Vote each and everyone involved in the repeated malfeasance and incompetence out now.
Crime is down down down! Its that way because the people in charge kill it kill it kill it! The Chicago Way baby.
I can't stand how in today's society everything becomes a lawsuit but i can't help but think that the first young lady has a valid case against the judge for some form of malfeasance and the second rape victim should have grounds to Sue based off her rape would never have occurred if the judge had done her job in the first case.
Anonymous said...
As a defense lawyer and ex-prosecutor, I find this pretty curious. It's always hard to know for sure what happened if you weren't there (as you all know). Sure does look like the testimony should have been halted right there and an interpreter summoned. But it's pretty easy to snipe at people's performance in retrospect when they were acting in the heat of battle and maybe didn't fully apprehend what was happening.
As you all know.
1/08/2014 08:42:00 AM
Mr. defense attorney, we as police officers at times have to deal with snap judgements that may require less than a second. This was a courtroom deliberation. It was straightforward; she said she didn't understand English and wanted an interpreter. An interpreter was denied by the judge and the judge decided to go ahead anyways. Even native born English speakers have a hard time understanding the questions asked and replying at a fast pace. I hope your reasoning in the courtroom is better than this.
OFF TOPIC
Bill Dougherty attempted not once, but twice to bring his hockey buddy upstairs to fill Handsome Jim Mc Carthy's rep spot.
I think 5 minutes in the penalty box for Bill, attempt slashing ( at the FOP's expense )
A Big " Fuck You Bill " spending OUR money on your hockey buddy.
I have a suggestion, how about you and the rest of those do nothing's upstairs handle Jim's duties until Dean is elected and puts his own team in place.
Now " get your shine box " Bill, Mark Donoghue has shit on them from putting them up your ass.
OT: Chief DK has retired. Apparently she put in her papers earlier this week, told the Superintendent she was leaving, and was gone the next day.
You said it all. A disgrace in a city built on corruption and one disgrace after another.
MS
Wonder how Dan Kirk got it, what he can glean?
You know? What a goof, can't even do proper English! That is why no justice is served, this system is really broken, we have enough problems doing out jobs will the sheeple ever have enough and vote them all out?
Wonder whose little girl this judge is? What was the buy in?
1/08/2014 07:07:00 AM
You're kidding, right?
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While everyone is concerned about the weather, President Obama has nominated the defense attorney for the killer of policeman Daniel Faulkner to be an Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division. See the website Powerline for additional details.
1/08/2014 01:21:00 AM
That is so disgusting I can't even bring myself to read about it. I hope Mumia or whatever the f*ck he goes by dies a long, painful, lingering death...maybe throat cancer like John Gotti.
We, policeman, are truly disposable to the public.
OT. 9 Jan 1999 John C. Knight Murdered in the line of duty. RIP brother. God please bless and protect his family
Anonymous said...
SCC a minority advocate? Did your collective being's ass take a fall on the ice?
Oh Asshat, we advocate for justice being blind. Sorry you can't see that and insist on missing the difference between what we post and what other people think. Enjoy your tiny narrow worldview.
Anonymous said...
OFF TOPIC
Bill Dougherty attempted not once, but twice to bring his hockey buddy upstairs to fill Handsome Jim Mc Carthy's rep spot.
I think 5 minutes in the penalty box for Bill, attempt slashing ( at the FOP's expense )
A Big " Fuck You Bill " spending OUR money on your hockey buddy.
I have a suggestion, how about you and the rest of those do nothing's upstairs handle Jim's duties until Dean is elected and puts his own team in place.
Now " get your shine box " Bill, Mark Donoghue has shit on them from putting them up your ass.
1/08/2014 03:22:00 PM
A monkey could do Jim McCarthy's jog and there is no doubt the monkey would do a better job. J.M. was a useless boob.
Blogger SCC said...
Anonymous said...
SCC a minority advocate? Did your collective being's ass take a fall on the ice?
Oh Asshat, we advocate for justice being blind. Sorry you can't see that and insist on missing the difference between what we post and what other people think. Enjoy your tiny narrow worldview.
1/08/2014 04:29:00 PM
It turns me on when you give people a smack SCC. Ooooo baby! :)
"Why don't they just send this case to the grand jury? If they can indict a ham sandwich, they should be able to indict this evil prick."
and
Anonymous said...
Why was this case not taken to the grand jury in the first place? Aren't most cases at 66 GJ cases.
As a former ASA who spent a lot of time in Br. 66, all provable sex cases get indicted. If it's a crappy case with no chance of winning at trial---the evidence is just not there, those get put on in a Prelim, to let the judge Find no probable cause.
Yes, Kirby retired. Got a job back in the old sod.
Anonymous said...
I can't stand how in today's society everything becomes a lawsuit but i can't help but think that the first young lady has a valid case against the judge for some form of malfeasance and the second rape victim should have grounds to Sue based off her rape would never have occurred if the judge had done her job in the first case.
1/08/2014 02:42:00 PM
Do yourself a favor and don't think. You have no idea what you are talking about or the law. You can't just sue a judge for a ruling. They are legally protected. You also can't sue a judge because a person he released committed another crime.
Anonymous said...
One can clearly see that the family in a news clip does not speak english. So if the public defender representing the piece of shit that raped the victim asked if she prefer a Spanish interpreter that means there wasn't one present during the probable cause hearing. My question is this then, how the fuck did the states attorney interview and prep the victim for the probable cause hearing? If the ASA had used an interpreter for interview and prep,an interpreter would of been present for the hearing. So how did the ASA communicate with the victim who doesn't speak english??
1/08/2014 10:12:00 AM
Makes sense to me. If the ASA needed an interpreter to interview and prep the victim, you would think the ASA could figure out he needed one at the probable cause hearing.
Anonymous said...
I've seen it at my district desk. One female P.O. on third watch treats Hispanic walk ins like garbage. Treating them rude and nasty so they walk out.
1/08/2014 07:52:00 AM
Tell her, not the blog and there are more than one that do that
Anonymous said...
Who was the ASA conducting the preliminary hearing? The judge is incompetent for not asking for an interpreter, but the ASA is just as much at fault.
1/08/2014 07:07:00 AM
Thats not the way the game is played in Cook County courts. If an ASA gives the judge a hard time, they suffer the consequences and so do the victims they represent. Judge will get them moved or make their life miserable
That is Cook County, you never do time if you are a pile of shit because they don't want to put the offenders in prison because it costs money. Catch and release, keep voting Democratic stupid people.
Can we get Nelson Mandela's sign language interpreter for this asshat?
Those quotes look like they were taken from the Merit Sergent interviews!
How many other girls/women did this sick bastard prey on and they didnt report the crime! Unbelievable! I bet this animal stood up there in front of the court/judge looking down and lost playing the deaf victim himself and it worked!
All you need to know about this judge is that she's Irish.
At today's North Side retiree breakfast, Stuttering Bill told the guys an out right lie when he stated that the City Wide team, went to Springfield, and got SB 218 passed, so that retirees could carry their firearms. The retirees, and everyone else knows, that SB 218 is a Federal, not a state law. He also admitted to keeping 200-300 retirees, from rejoining the FOP, unless they pay what Lodge7 by-laws calls a fine. The only one missing from this charade was Billy's buddy, Steve Robbins. Dougherty, once again, proved to the Retirees, that he is not their friend. Didn't get a lot of applause, did you Bill?
OT. Is Kirby gone?
1/08/2014 01:36:00 PM
She has put in her papers and is gone. Exempts can't leave fast enough. But to be honest nobody is going to miss her.
Anonymous said...
It is entirely possible the case was weak, hence the reason for it to be in court for a prelim hearing. Sex cases aren't usually taken to a prelim hearing, they go to the grand jury for direct indictment. Weak cases go for a hearing.
1/08/2014 07:21:00 AM
Weak cases aren't taken for a hearing or GJ. More importantly this judge completely fucked up by denying this victim an interpreter and she has no business being on the bench.
to:1/08/2014 03:22:00 PM
You write like you conduct yourself at a board meeting....like a BULLY....
How bout that new NBC series about the Chicago P.D. Supposedly tells it like it is, about a tough on crime PD.
1/08/2014 11:59:00 AM
They have SWAT as technical advisers. You know those guys in green that are always at Starbucks. Should be a hell of a show with them on the case. This Dept is nothing but a joke!!!!
Re: DSS order-somehow we all need to just stick together-period. POs,Sgts and LTs! There still are some good supervisors, who look out for us and we dont even realize it. Hell my Lieutenant is on the street all the time and he treats us like adults! Three or four Sgts come to mind are top notch too. Take care of each other
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You obviously do not work second watch in 007
OT:
Future suspect and they do start early... It is the cops fault tho...
http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/free/20140108nebraska-police-video-cursing-toddler-goes-viral.html
Anonymous said...
Judges handling of this case was unconscionable.
I'm so sorry for the treatment the first victim received.
1/08/2014 05:19:00 AM
It is entirely possible the case was weak, hence the reason for it to be in court for a prelim hearing. Sex cases aren't usually taken to a prelim hearing, they go to the grand jury for direct indictment. Weak cases go for a hearing.
Weak cases are made weaker by not providing interpretation services to the victim of a SEX CRIME sir.
Who cares offender, victim both illegal if they both where in Mexico where they belong maybe this would not haven happened!
Anybody saw that new show Chicago PD? What a piece of crap! All I saw was coppers portrayed as corrupt. From the start. Well so far 2 Sergeants are, the old hag in uniform and the old dude who runs intel.
OT: More than 100 retired New York City police and firefighters indicted in a massive Social Security disability scam involving hundreds of millions of dollars, authorities said. More than half the recipients received funds for fraudulent claims for PTSD in the wake of the September 11, 2001, terror attacks on the World Trade Center.
Must indicted the Doctors and Pension Officials if you want to make changes. Everyone police officer can name two or three officers that we knew scammed the system. How did they get away with it? Doctors.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How bout that new NBC series about the Chicago P.D. Supposedly tells it like it is, about a tough on crime PD.
1/08/2014 11:59:00 AM
It's horrible. But if you like Chicago Fire, you'll probably like this POS, too.
As a former ASA who spent a lot of time in Br. 66, all provable sex cases get indicted. If it's a crappy case with no chance of winning at trial---the evidence is just not there, those get put on in a Prelim, to let the judge Find no probable cause.
1/08/2014 04:55:00 PM
Not an ASA, but somehow I bet that probable cause in Cook County is much higher than the rest of the state.
As an ASA who has handled over 50 sexual assault cases (and knows no more about this case than what has been reported here and in the news), a few observations: 1)sex cases are almost always indicted and only go to prelim if there is an insurmountable problem with the case; 2) the decision to go to prelim involves getting permission from many supervisors, many of whom are women and do not take sexual assaults lightly; 3)prior to the cross examination, the victim had answered questions from the prosecutor, without need of an interpreter; 4)there is no indication, in either SCC or the news reports, that the officers and detectives who handled the case required use of an interpreter; 5)from the news accounts, this appears to be a he said/she said case, which is difficult to prove in the best of circumstances; 6) the Sun Times article only honed in on a small piece of testimony and ignored the testimony that came before or after; 7) the article does not report what other evidence was presented, by either the prosecution or defense; 8)generally in the comment section, someone is sure to bring up the contents of the case reports, which has not been the case here, which is suspect; and finally, 9)none of the officers or detectives who handled the case, or testified at the prelim, have entered into the fray, either in the comments here, or in the news reports - possibly because the prosecutor was not wrong in bringing the case to prelim, or the Judge was not wrong in her ruling. As a final comment - Judge Sullivan is one of the better judges for police and prosecution, and all this blather is only going to cause her to rethink her assignment - paving the way for another pro-defendant judge to take her place. Be careful of what you wish for...
Anonymous said...
All you need to know about this judge is that she's Irish.
Aren't 99% of them? Clout hacks.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: Chief DK has retired. Apparently she put in her papers earlier this week, told the Superintendent she was leaving, and was gone the next day.
1/08/2014 04:13:00 PM
Is her lawsuit from Seiser still going or has it been settled?
As an ASA who has handled over 50 sexual assault cases (and knows no more about this case than what has been reported here and in the news), a few observations: 1)sex cases are almost always indicted and only go to prelim if there is an insurmountable problem with the case; 2) the decision to go to prelim involves getting permission from many supervisors, many of whom are women and do not take sexual assaults lightly; 3)prior to the cross examination, the victim had answered questions from the prosecutor, without need of an interpreter; 4)there is no indication, in either SCC or the news reports, that the officers and detectives who handled the case required use of an interpreter; 5)from the news accounts, this appears to be a he said/she said case, which is difficult to prove in the best of circumstances; 6) the Sun Times article only honed in on a small piece of testimony and ignored the testimony that came before or after; 7) the article does not report what other evidence was presented, by either the prosecution or defense; 8)generally in the comment section, someone is sure to bring up the contents of the case reports, which has not been the case here, which is suspect; and finally, 9)none of the officers or detectives who handled the case, or testified at the prelim, have entered into the fray, either in the comments here, or in the news reports - possibly because the prosecutor was not wrong in bringing the case to prelim, or the Judge was not wrong in her ruling. As a final comment - Judge Sullivan is one of the better judges for police and prosecution, and all this blather is only going to cause her to rethink her assignment - paving the way for another pro-defendant judge to take her place. Be careful of what you wish for...
1/08/2014 10:49:00 PM
Thank you for that information. Agreed judge Sullivan is a very fair judge and pro police, and it was boggling to read of her ruling in this case. There is always more to a story than what the media prints, and we need to remember that.
I've seen it at my district desk. One female P.O. on third watch treats Hispanic walk ins like garbage. Treating them rude and nasty so they walk out.
This is not an isolated occurrence. I'd have to say that most desk people are rude to the general public. I'm not saying that everyone that comes into a district desk is polite and courteous....some are jerks, but others aren't. The thing that gets me is, in most cases, the desk people bid for that spot. You knew what it was about, you knew what it entailed. Hell, some desk people are rude to the p.o.'s that work there. If someone's a jerk to you, then handle accordingly, otherwise, be a little nicer or give up the spot and go back on the street.
"SCC a minority advocate? Did your collective being's ass take a fall on the ice?
1/08/2014 01;34:00 PM
(Ahem... Allow us SCC if you please.)
Not as hard as you fell on your pointy little head you troll.
Yeah. SCC is a minority advocate. The CULTURAL minority in this city that is...
The constructive, law abiding, tax paying, self actualized, self activated, work ethic having, impulse control & conflict resolution skill applying people of all stripes constitute this cultural minority.
That is SURELY the "minority" you accuse SCC of being an advocate for. Correct?
Jeez... Where do you silly, gifted with ability to peer through a keyhole with both eyes at the same time m/fers hatch from?
Too many nitwits contribute nothing to constructive dialogue and strain on the pot with all their collective might to ensure Chicago remains the unfortunate prairie crossroad where Rampant Fuckery, Ineptocracy, Kleptocracy and the hearse from the ass-clown funeral sit balled-up and burning in the intersection...
SCC is an advocate for all upright men being equal in the eyes of, and having access to equal protection UNDER THE LAW along with the reasonable man exercise of the rights and DUTIES of citizenship under those laws.
Not this finger-wagging, teeth- sucking, peck-sniffing shit-assed nanny statist, "stop fighting us because we're smarter than you" bullshit and pandering we know as "Progressivism."
"lAll you need to know about this judge is that she's Irish."
"Aren't 99% of them? Clout hacks."
One problem with your theory about Irish judges or political candidates. In Crook County ethnicity sells and many candidates are down with the fact that everybody likes "the Irish."
For many voters choosing a candidate on the basis of ethnicity, after their own tribe, the Irish place second. As a consequence, many candidates have gone so far as to change their names legally or hyphenate their names to incorporate some distant Irish relative into their ballot name.
I hope the Hispanic community remembers this favor the democrats (socialists) did that day. Remember it when you vote.
Oh PLEASE! Cut the "only the democrats" BS! I've seen lots of so called republican members of our own dept. blow off victims and refuse to write case reports because the victim cannot speak English. Sure, the courts aren't very sympathetic to those who haven't mastered English, but neither are many members of our once top notch police dept.Bias and racism cross both aisles.
The judge disregarded the request for a Spanish interpreter because she already had a preconceived ruling in her head, FINDING OF NO PROBABLE CAUSE! She just needed the public defender and the states attorney to do thier regular dance, go through the motions so she could make her ruling, FINDING OF NO PROBABLE CAUSE! There wasn't even a mention if the piece of shit had a sign language interpreter, he was not needed either because this judge knew she was going to let this piece of shit go by, FINDING OF NO PROBABLE CAUSE!!!!!!!!
I'm nominating you for the Pulitzer on this one SCC!
That is an excellent point 10:56pm brought up. Did the responding officers, detectives, felony review, etc use an interpreter for the victim throughout her multiple interviews?
To the lengthy ASA. This time around though he made a more solid case for himself no? Maybe next time it can be murder too...
I will VOTE NO for Sullivan as for 99% of other judges. If you don't vote no, for the majority of judges at election time, You are simply an IDIOT. End of story.
Anonymous said...
"lAll you need to know about this judge is that she's Irish."
"Aren't 99% of them? Clout hacks."
One problem with your theory about Irish judges or political candidates. In Crook County ethnicity sells and many candidates are down with the fact that everybody likes "the Irish."
For many voters choosing a candidate on the basis of ethnicity, after their own tribe, the Irish place second. As a consequence, many candidates have gone so far as to change their names legally or hyphenate their names to incorporate some distant Irish relative into their ballot name.
1/09/2014 12:02:00 AM
Do you think that is why Daley's daughter, Nora Conroy, now goes by her maiden name, Nora Daley? The Daley name is political gold here. How does Mayor Nora Daley sound?
As a defense lawyer and ex-prosecutor, I find this pretty curious. It's always hard to know for sure what happened if you weren't there (as you all know). Sure does look like the testimony should have been halted right there and an interpreter summoned. But it's pretty easy to snipe at people's performance in retrospect when they were acting in the heat of battle and maybe didn't fully apprehend what was happening.
As you all know.
1/08/2014 08:42:00 AM
I am guessing you haven't "won" many on either side of the aisle. Do you "apprehend" what I am saying?
OT: More than 100 retired New York City police and firefighters indicted in a massive Social Security disability scam involving hundreds of millions of dollars, authorities said. More than half the recipients received funds for fraudulent claims for PTSD in the wake of the September 11, 2001, terror attacks on the World Trade Center.
Must indicted the Doctors and Pension Officials if you want to make changes. Everyone police officer can name two or three officers that we knew scammed the system. How did they get away with it? Doctors.
Read the article. Had nothing to do with the pension. They were indicted by the feds for getting SOCIAL SECURITY DISABILITY. Most were retired from the NYPD, but got greedy and applied for SS disability benefits. Thats why the feds got involved.
The "justice" system is filled with many incompetents, but "hating minorities"? Nah. They are the favored people now. Just think of the so-called" "hate crime" laws. If you are a White Christian, they don't protect you. Just ask Eric "my people" Holder.
Thought you might find this illuminating. Perhaps one should replace Muslim with Black...and soon Mestizo.
--These are extracts from a letter published in the magazine of the German police trade union, written by Tania Kambouri, a policewoman of Greek parentage who was born and grew up in Germany.
http://www.gdp.de/gdp/gdp.nsf/id/dp201311/$file/DP_2013_11.pdf
--- Like most cities in the Ruhr, Bochum also has a high proportion of immigrants, especially in the inner city. My colleagues and I are daily confronted by immigrants committing crimes, the majority of them Muslims (Turks, Arabs, Lebanese, etc.), who do not show the slightest respect for the police. For them, the lack of respect starts in childhood.
We are insulted on the street every day when we show ourselves, for example. When deployed, a discussion in a quiet tone is often impossible. As a female immigrant, I, especially, have more problems with most immigrants than my German colleagues. Foreign citizens mostly see me as one of them and thus as a traitor. Either they don't deign to look at me or speak to me in their language, generally to gain more sympathy. And several times each day I'm asked: are you a Turk?
I often take home with me the stress I experience when dealing with immigrants who are committing crimes. Over the long term, something like that can only lead to physical and/or psychological illness.
An example: not long ago I drove with a female colleague in response to a request for help. The caller was a Turkish man. When he saw two women, he became very loud and spoke to me in an unbelievably inappropriate tone, telling me to "come here". I replied telling him I could also go away again and he told me I should do that. I reported the citizen's behaviour to the dispatch centre. At the same time he called there and said he wanted only male police. The dispatch centre discussed it with us and we agreed that we would drive there again. If the citizen acted in the same way, the deployment was finished as far as we were concerned. That is what happened. The citizen saw us and started shouting at us in a snotty way. That was the end of the deployment. Quite right too.
My German friends and colleagues often say they no longer feel at home in their own country. I can confirm that I, as an immigrant, no longer feel at ease in many city districts as a result of the excessive number of foreign criminals. My German colleagues are reluctant to an express an opinion about the foreign criminals because straightaway the same old "Nazi" tune starts up again.
...The police are becoming ever more helpless. Individual officers can impose limits, but without backing from politicians or the courts these will increasingly lapse.
The events reported by colleagues or the media (for example: patrol car drives slowly and is attacked by immigrants in Berlin), are incredible. It cannot be that we, as police officers, barely have any rights left and have to fear being sanctioned every time we assert ourselves and take some legal(!) step against a immigrant who has committed a crime - whether it be physical force or not. It cannot be that such people who pay no heed the Constitution and have set up an (illegal) parallel society here - which is autonomous in every respect - are left to do whatever they want here, because they have nothing to do with the German state.
Exactly who is taking credit for this wonderful "multicultural" experience in Europe? http://www.whyileftsweden.com/?p=198
And in 1965 who was behind the change in our immigration laws so that America would no longer be a majority ethnic European nation?...same cast of characters.
Anonymous said...
I hope the Hispanic community remembers this favor the democrats (socialists) did that day. Remember it when you vote.
Oh PLEASE! Cut the "only the democrats" BS! I've seen lots of so called republican members of our own dept. blow off victims and refuse to write case reports because the victim cannot speak English. Sure, the courts aren't very sympathetic to those who haven't mastered English, but neither are many members of our once top notch police dept.Bias and racism cross both aisles.
1/09/2014 12:10:00 AM
Quiet, comrade. The bourgeois will have their day. Let them bicker while we gain power for our communist state.
Holy fucking shit.
All politics aside and everything else, this is unconscionable. This is as cold hearted as any fucking nonsense I've seen or heard ina long time.
That bitch judge watched a kid struggling to do her best in a horrifying reliving of a rape and wouldn't slow down to get a god damn interpreter? I am fucking blown away. I honestly thought I might be over being blown away by the shit that happens in this city.
This fucking C needs to be off the criminal bench and sent to god damn probate.
I'm fucking furious and have nothing to do with the case. I fucking furious bc I guess down deep I'm still a fucking human being.
Wow man. Wow.
What do you expect when your Crook County Board President Toni PrickWrinkle publicly states, "there are too many black and brown people in our jails." The house of cards falls from there. Shame on you Phoni. I hope you're never a victim of a violent crime bitch.
As a defense lawyer and ex-prosecutor, I find this pretty curious. It's always hard to know for sure what happened if you weren't there (as you all know). Sure does look like the testimony should have been halted right there and an interpreter summoned. But it's pretty easy to snipe at people's performance in retrospect when they were acting in the heat of battle and maybe didn't fully apprehend what was happening.
As you all know.
1/08/2014 08:42:00 AM
I am guessing you haven't "won" many on either side of the aisle. Do you "apprehend" what I am saying?
I need this kind of lawyer to give to the guy I comprehended the other day because I didn't apprehended the charge and may have falsely attested him. I dont want to go to court and arrest to the facts of the case
I don't like it when my cutie north side police quarrel.
It makes me sad.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
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