Sgt Test Review
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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Patrolmen don't become white shirts then forget where they came from! It's the patrolmen who were never the REAL POLICE to begin with who are the "strokes." They're just as clueless when they're supervising in busy districts as PPO's are. "They over compensate their ignorance by being assholes."
Remember, they've only did nothing up north & relaxed in cosy units.
The problem is real police dont have as much downtime at work to study as they do!
No complaints here. Thought the test was straight forward. And it was nice to see a variety of ethnically diverse test proctors. If I dont make it its my own fault. Good luck to those you actually put in the work.
I have a serious concern about the proctors not handing out the test booklets according to the seat number printed on the bottom of the book next to a barcode. I was in section 17 and the first time it was brought to the attention of a proctor, they re-collected the booklets and then redistributed according to the seat number and booklet number, the second booklet (answer book) that they handed out was wrong again, and when it was brought to the proctors attention AGAIN they said "don't worry about it" and didn't correct the problem. My concern is after they grade the test what if they just scan the booklet barcode and that is how they match up your information with the scored booklet? I understand that you hand wrote your seat number and Taleo ID on the booklet but how can you been sure that is not a back-up method/after thought of how they would identifying which answer booklet belongs to which test taker. The worst part about it is how would you ever know if your booklet was used for someone elses results? Does anyone know to proper chain of command to notify of this problem? I would at least like to send a To-From to inform them of an apparent problem.
Good luck to all, as usual we will still have the clouted being made, but some still slip through based on raw score intelligence.
The scenario with the graffiti to the police car was poor. The scenario with the guy who might have had a gun and might have shot it was very poorly written. Lots of ways to go with that one.
So I sat down, opened my test booklets, and all the answers were already in there. This happen to anyone else?
Per Beinstein's free lieutenant's seminar last week;
He stated that the reason Part 1 of the Sergeant's exam was curved so low was because they went with a different testing company "I.O. Solutions".
"I.O. Solutions" did not offer a choice of a "recall" portion of the exam where test takers can look up various laws or contract issues etc.
He states it is not practical for someone to memorize the entire law book or contract... just know where to look it up because that is the way we do it in real life.
For the 2014 Lieutenant's exam Bernstein states the city will be going back to the company that administered the 2007 LT's test.
Congrats to those that actually finished the exam. There was easily 1,000 people that didn't finish.
Hi Kids. 10G here. Hope all did well on Part 2. FYI I put 10 large on Carolina PLUS a point and the OVER 55 points in the Denv/SD game. Wish me luck kids. Gotta get back on that Cruise Ship after last week's Arctic cold.
There were over a dozen questions that the answer was."CL #". A first I thought it was a typo. It's nice that IO Solutions took it upon themselves to correct our orders
It was great to see all the inmates from cook co jail as our test proctors again
SCC:
I read the below post from yesterday.. this sounds like a MAJOR FU%K UP!!!
If the below is true it sounds like the 1st law suit is in order!
From 11 Jan:
HOLY SHIT!
I sat in section 17. There was a west-side great-great-great grandmother stumbling around my section, Marva B. When it came time to hand out the test booklets, she began randomly throwing them out like a dealer in Vegas! If there were supposed to be different versions of the test, this is a MAJOR problem! Neither of the numbers on my booklets matched each other or my seat assignment. Just before the test started, a few proctors began scrambling trying to match the booklets and seat assignments. I had my hand raised and was ignored due to the chaotic scene that was unfolding.
As the test was starting, good ole Marva comes over yelling, "Naw! The numbers don't matter none!" The scrambling proctors then gave up their efforts. Apparently SHE was the authority??!!
During the test Marva and another proctor were walking down the aisle OH GUUUURLing each other. Christ!
When the proctor came to collect my test I asked if it was a problem none of these numbers matched each other or my seat assignment. The proctor told me, "Yeah, I guess it does matter. If you tell us, though, we're supposed to write down the numbers on your booklets." She then showed me a clipboard with a bunch of names and numbers scratched on it.
As the guy to my right handed in his material, good ole Marva assisted by reading the numbers off the booklets to the proctor with the clipboard. It appeared that the THIRD time relaying numbers to each other they got it right. I'm sure.
Holy shit.
I wish I could say unbelievable.
The multiple choice questions were pretty much common sense with answers that were so outlandish that I laughed out loud reading them. I love the question with the guy taking money on the SW and one of the answers was to not say anything and take a cut of the action.
There were over a dozen questions that the answer was."CL #". A first I thought it was a typo. It's nice that IO Solutions took it upon themselves to correct our orders
Question about cpic will be thrown out. They specifically said that order was not testable. They even removed it from the reading list
Contact card scenario.....1st watch at 1500?
Why IS it important to notify CPIC ? I thought we didn't have to know that order, they removed the CPIC order from the reading list. Did they not?
So I'm guessing that we will get the results August or September. Anyone else have ideas?
What was the answer for the open ended question listing 3 reasons for notifying CPIC?
My test book and answer sheet did not match my seat
I had to rush through the open ended part of the test!
Why did the head proctor say that section two of the test was weighted more?
why end the multiple choice at 66 questions?
having to go from the question book, answer in the scantron, then answer in the open ended book really waisted too much time going back and forth.
When do we find out the results?
Cant help. Didn't take it.
Interested to see what going to do about section 19's scantron sheets being all stained in coffee. They explained to us a proctor had spilled a coffee all over our sheets but not to worry. Meanwhile some numbers were faded to almost nothing and stains stretch over large portions of the full in ovals. City that Works
Was the graffiti on the bathroom wall supposed to be an EEO Complaint?
Overall the test didn't seem too bad. There were a few questions that were very open ended and not very clear. Such as the scenario in which the Sgt hears two shots and glass breaking at the rear of the house. I believe they asked for notifications on this, and to me I think we needed more info about the scenario for us to write down specific notifications.
I saw quite a few empty seats, and several people just leave about half way through the test, who most likely just gave up. This test pretty much took the whole 4 hours to take.
Again, many of the test proctors looked questionable. Hopefully all of our material was properly collected and turned in. Basically, if you didn't study for this test it was difficult. Good luck to those who studied hard considering we're competing with merit/clout, and those who got specific test info prior to the test.
Try to remember who was sitting next to you so at a later time we can figure out where they work or who they are tied into because if they finished the test in under 2 hrs without a doubt they cheated. I'm sorry but you were in the position to have answers given to you prior to the test. Don't even try to explain how one could finish that fast on a legit basis it just is not possible. Sorry.
I flunked. O well.
Wait a minute, they can just throw something out of that test?
Anonymous said...
After the test today, one of the "proctors," stated to me, "Hey Officer you from 63rd St?" In which I said, no. She then stated," Yes, you is, I see you around there, see this fool next to me, you need to arrest his @$$, he be selling weed at 63rd and Sacramento." Male "proctor" states, a number of profanities back to her.
Looking back on the situation I should have filed a complaint. I was brain dead after the test and just wanted to leave. These are the people responsible for handling the results of the test. I don't feel there is any integrity from the beginning steps of this process, let alone the merit process.
1/11/2014 08:08:00 PM
Grow some balls and learn how to be the police. You got punked out. You do not deserve to be a sergeant if you still can't stand up for yourself against a "proctor"
the aquatter scenario was not an active shooter its hbt we dont know if the squatter or police fired it just said u hear two shots
Was there enough time to effectively complete that test? I felt pretty confident as I was going along until they called "time" and I had just started section three. I closed my book, looked up, and saw about 2/3 of the people were still in their seat. Did all those people not finish?
What should have been thrown out...actually never been allowed in the first place, were the same felonious proctors. 90%+ can be found floating around the south and west sides.
Gold teefuses, blond weaves and pants hanging off asses were all uniform of the day.
Hey FOP, feel like taking charge and maybe filing a FOI request to see what company proctored the test, who their employees were and whether they conducted any type of background check on these pooches prior to granting them access to police officers' identification and sensitive testing materials?
This is an OFFICER SAFETY ISSUE that the city's well aware of but refuses to officially acknowledge or address even after a formal complaint has been lodged after the first part of the test.
Didn't think it was that bad and was way better than part one. Finished with plenty of time to spare so either I'm pretty smart or I tanked it miserably. Anyway I'm not ordering any white shirts anytime soon.
I thought the scenario regarding the graffiti on the bathroom wall was a little strange. Can someone post the actions a DSS would take to address the issue?
Studied hard, felt like I knew the answers to most of the questions, but seriously failed at time management. Who ever would have thought four hours wouldn't be enough time to finish. Didn't even get to section three. Hopefully the value is as low as they said at the start of the test.
My only saving grace is that most of the room also didn't finish the test in four hours, hopefully that will help my score.
The one question asked assume that officers conducted the sobriety tests and the off duty officer failed them. Name the most important reports that need to be done.
The thing about that is the order states only a member of higher rank can conduct sobriety tests when dealing with an off duty drunk driver
That question. You hear what appears to be two gunshots. Cliff hanger.
You are the DSS. The janitor enters the bathroom and he and officer X discover writing on the wall disparaging a certain female PO. They both enter your office to report it. Officer X states another officer on the watch who is working just ended a relationship with the listed female PO. What actions would you take as DSS.
1. Generate a general offence case report for Criminal Defacement.
2. Order an ET to photo and process the crime scene
3. To From to initiate a CR and contact IPRA to obtain a log number
4. Obtain a To From from Officer X as to what he told you regarding his suspicions.
5. Meet with the officer he mentioned in private and ask if he had anything to do with the graffiti
6. When the ET is finished processing the scene, have the janitor remove the offensive material
It was a very challenging exam. I thought that the multiple choice section was "right-on" with real-life scenarios. There was a huge portion of disciplinary actions on section A as well. Section B was better than I thought it would be, however; it wasn't even close to what "Bernstein" taught. Part C was very different from the Bernstein class but it was easy to identify the errors. Good luck to everyone and don't let those stripes change you. Help and provide guidance to the blue shirts who need it. Be a role model for younger officers so they have something to look forward to.
How did people approach the scenario with the squatter? Active shooter? SWAT incident? Shots fired at or possibly by the police? Force entry or secure the perimeter and evacuate adjoining buildings? I can't stop second guessing myself on this one.
Why no carbon copy of our answers?
The test was a hilarious joke. Instead of taking those bullshit study groups, I might as well have just went down to Bobak's Deli and picked up a wedge of cheese to bring with me because the only people this department is looking to promote are potential rats.
The bathroom wall question scenario was like something that would be on an exam to get promoted from security guard at Simeon High school to head dean. I guess active shooters in schools, bank robberies with hostages, and terrorist attacks are a thing of the past like the Macarena dance. Just as long as the culprits, that wrote nasty things about some bimbo cop in the urinals, are brought to justice, then everything will be okay!
I can't believe that I hit the medical for months to study for this bullshit. What a waste of time. The only thing that I can hope for now is that one of the two coppers, that are on the desk in my district by bid, suffers from a mysterious accident. Then I can move in and study even harder for the next test that will probably come out in ten years.
I deserve a big thankyou in advance from all of you guys and gals. Because when the list comes out and I get offered merit, im going to turn it down. I am not a trader like some of you suckholes!!!!!
Rushed through section 3, barely got some answers in. Never got to last question / report at all. Time Flew. Too much to think about. I'm a fast reader and I felt I needed one more hour...
Best wishes for those that chose that road. And remember. FOP is not a Union. Never has been a union. Or will ever be a union.
FOP is simply a collective bargaining unit that hasn't done anything but blow smoke up it's members ars's. I would like to see a real union represent us? Just for shits n giggles?
I appreciated the team running for fop that were handing out pencils to everyone and they weren't #2 pencils. Thanks for moving me up 1000 spots. Genius move.
Didn't like the question about the man with a gun and hearing two shots.
just wondering if the people who took Bernstein feel it helped and was worth it?
Wish I took Bernstein instead of Codtestprep! Never use this study group! Terrible!
Sieser RUNS it!
Get over that "real police" bullshit. If somebody really knows the orders and does the right things it doesn't matter if they've never made an arrest in their career.
If you dont know what a CL# is you failed.
Lets do this again for all U home gamers. There's a twerp working in "The D-Unit" that went there as soon as possible. There the twerp lays in wait for his/her 2nd bump no matter the score on the a test.
What's amazing is when these guys hit the street as supervisors they've lost the skill set to command people out of a car or residence. The thugs know who worked inside & was taken care of.
Whatever Nevermind
you mean you never dui a copper then you will never become a sergeant
section 3 reports should not be counted!exam too long,and most people didn't get to report section!
The foreclosed house/guy with a gun was bullshit. List 9 actions immediately following the sounds of shots, but not knowing who shot or if anyone got shot. WTF
The people who left in an hour may have just got up and quit after starting section two and seeing all the shit you needed to recall/write.
Wo wo wo, Tiger! We had a "guest W/C in a Northside District. He scored 525 out for the Lt's Exam. Get MADE admittedly by the mericloutorious method that's so ridiculously rampant in this Department. This Lt then admits to us that while supervising some sort of open drug market on the west side the people all wore white T-shirts so as to throw the POs off on which person to grab.
There's no way I'd admit that the merit process failed in my case & I was fooled by the same people acting a fool.
Hope he bought that house in Vegas he was boasting about.
Jerky
Anonymous said...
When do we find out the results?
1/12/2014 09:38:00 AM
That depends on the following factors
- who is still left on the current list they want made now?
- who are the people that can't be meritorious? A Matt Cline for example. When Phat Phil was running it he tested out at genius levels. He had to be off the list. Detective...Sgt...bam...bam. Phil is forced out and the G takes over, suddenly not so smart.
- who are the side pieces and lackeys that are too close for merit but you don't want to reward them right away? Maybe we'll make them 200 or 250?
- what's their degree of separation? Will anyone ever figure out she's Eddie Burke's sister-in-law's daughter from her first marriage?
It's a complicated matrix. After the city manipulates everything to slot all those people and you're getting pushed farther down the list, and after all the people they want made now get made, they'll publish the list.
01/12@12:29 pm
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Same loser spewing his everyone is a "trader" bullshit.
Dude..it's traitor. Okay?
For the squater and two shots heard. They're trying to find out what you would do as a sergeant within the first few minutes of hearing those two shots fired while on-scene. It's not an ASIP. It is simply "shots fired." As a sergeant and within the first few minutes of hearing those shots, you would need to:
1) determine who fired the shots.
2) call OEMC
3) render aid if necessary
4) secure the firearm and preserve for evidence
5) call for assisting units
6) notify the DSS
I have a serious concern about the proctors not handing out the test booklets according to the seat number printed on the bottom of the book next to a barcode. I was in section 17 and the first time it was brought to the attention of a proctor, they re-collected the booklets and then redistributed according to the seat number and booklet number, the second booklet (answer book) that they handed out was wrong again, and when it was brought to the proctors attention AGAIN they said "don't worry about it" and didn't correct the problem. My concern is after they grade the test what if they just scan the booklet barcode and that is how they match up your information with the scored booklet? I understand that you hand wrote your seat number and Taleo ID on the booklet but how can you been sure that is not a back-up method/after thought of how they would identifying which answer booklet belongs to which test taker. The worst part about it is how would you ever know if your booklet was used for someone elses results? Does anyone know to proper chain of command to notify of this problem? I would at least like to send a To-From to inform them of an apparent problem.
1/12/2014 06:45:00 AM
we already heard all of your crying about it on facebook. shut up already about it. you didnt study and you failed. you made it clear on facebook about a half our after you came home from the test you were gonna file a lawsuit.. just like dude on the street you are no better.
You are the DSS. The janitor enters the bathroom and he and officer X discover writing on the wall disparaging a certain female PO. They both enter your office to report it. Officer X states another officer on the watch who is working just ended a relationship with the listed female PO. What actions would you take as DSS.
5. Meet with the officer he mentioned in private and ask if he had anything to do with the graffiti.
Actually you have no right to ask him if he had anything to do with it. What if he said yes, then you would have to arrest him. The investigating supervisor is supposed to serve him first.
Good luck to all, as usual we will still have the clouted being made, but some still slip through based on raw score intelligence.
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actually your mistaken. There are 20-30 percent who are "clouted" or merit. that means 70-80 percent are from the test. Thus, nobody "slips" through, the majority make it by score the rest (or smaller percentage) make it by merit. so no, its not all clouted.. not even majority clouted. Or are you gonna start crying about "people with answers already, secret study groups" and that crap... if you are, save your breath, you will only embarrass yourself more.
The only way you didn't have enough time to finish was if you did NOT follow instructions and use BULLET points. They didn't want you to elaborate and write a novel.
I think I screwed the pooch on the escape question.
How did people approach the scenario with the squatter? Active shooter? SWAT incident? Shots fired at or possibly by the police? Force entry or secure the perimeter and evacuate adjoining buildings? I can't stop second guessing myself on this one.
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check on the officer in the back
determine if the shots were fired by or at the police officer
if shots fired by the offender evacuate the area when safe to do so. ascertain information such as offender actions, location and weapon used. immediately notify oemc of the situation.
evacuate the guy from the bank and any citizens to a safe area
establish a perimeter
establish a staging area and command post at a safe location
ensure medical attention is given to any person injured
secure the scene, notify swat and wait for their arrival
retain the responsibility of incident commander until relieved by a higher ranking member of the bureau of patrol
you could have put more also but they only left 9 spots to write such as request a CIT officer, maintain firearms control, attempt to talk to the offender from a safe location and distance etc...
forcing entry is no good
active shooter is ok but that entails forming a contact strike team and entering the residence. no information area etc like a school or mall. Active shooter would have been great if they said other people were inside with the squatter or if it was in a business with other people.. but the scenatio said two seperate times that he was in the house alone. therefore securing the scene, gathering information and notifying swat is the only way to go.. Now in the real world and not cpd sergeant test world boot the door and kill the mfer!!!... or notify swat while I piss myself hiding in the alley, which ever.
Bernstein was certainly not worth the amount of money that he charged. In each of the practice exercises in his class he taught us to give as many notifications as we could possibly think of. Terrible advice that would have cost people points if they listened to him. For over $1000 I expect more.
So I sat down, opened my test booklets, and all the answers were already in there. This happen to anyone else?
1/12/2014 08:14:00 AM
Me, too! I'm buying my white shirts ASAP!
Holy shit the test was this sat...?
The one about the crash with po. might be drinking...
1. traffic crash report
2.traffic tickets
3.impound/tow
4.warning to motorist
5.ADIR (alcohol drug influence report)
6.arrest report
Because when the list comes out and I get offered merit, im going to turn it down. I am not a trader like some of you suckholes!!!!!
Traitor folks, T R A I T O R, not trader you ignorant jackass!
If there are 2 captains in the water and you only have one life preserver, what kind of sandwich do you make?
Anonymous said...
Best wishes for those that chose that road. And remember. FOP is not a Union. Never has been a union. Or will ever be a union.
FOP is simply a collective bargaining unit that hasn't done anything but blow smoke up it's members ars's. I would like to see a real union represent us? Just for shits n giggles?
1/12/2014 01:28:00 PM
Can you explain the differences you would like to see?
If I had not taken Bernstein, I would have no chance! I knew what to do in every situation. Well worth it
Taking Bernstein for the first part of the test was pointless and a waste of money. The only thing it did was get me motivated to study on my own. However, Bernstein was spot-on with the 2nd portion. His practice exams were just like the real test. And are in class reviews were helpful, he helps you weed out the less-likely stuff to be on the test. When the time comes for the next exam whatever it may be, save some cash and just take the part 2 class. Bernstein isn't the best thing ever, but in my opinion it's better than trying to sort through all that shit yourself.
We hope everyone did well on Saturday. We could not miss seeing Mike and Dan Shields taking the test. They still are trying to promote the big LIE that the current members of the executive board are anti-retiree. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The retiree membership is at an all-time high. But why would the Shields brothers continue to promote this lie? Because Dan Shields is still running for office with a large group of misfits. He is being funded with the help of money from the Finkl Steel Company. A vote for these people is a vote for a Shields come back. People like Jaglowski, Underwood, Rick King, Doherty, and anyone else running with them are shills for Mike Shields and Rahm Emanuel. Vote for proven leadership not a groups of misfits.
I thought Bernstein had us well prepped for the test. I learned some good Strategy and the practice was really key.
Anonymous said...
Contact card scenario.....1st watch at 1500?
1/12/2014 09:03:00 AM
Early start.
I did fairly good on part one back in October. I finished with about an hour and a half to review the 100 questions. However for this part,you had to read the question several times because the right and wrong responses where differentiated by a couple of key words. I ended up rushing around the 3:30 mark and pushed through to section three. I however did not have any time to review or to really answer part three. I jotted down the obvious errors. Like many have said you would think four hours are plenty, but when your actively dissecting between key phrases it is time consuming, going back and forth. For what is worth I do think this was a challenging test. I would have liked to have seen fewer question on part one, thus giving everyone more time to complete the exam.
CPIC/HBT orders were not on the reading list. The drunk officer question stated they "failed SFST's" when our order explicitly states SFST's aren't pass/fail. Crazy. Where's the order on how to handle a dude escaping from the tact office with a little bit of (assuming) weed? A lot of the questions don't have specific orders on how to proceed so the grading is going to be entirely subjective. Best of luck to all.
And if I had even the slightest speck of coffee on my scantron I would be absolutely livid.
The scenarios are EVERYTHING !
You show me the people who aced all the scenarios with ALL the right answers and I'll show you who was in "the SPECIAL Study Groups" with the connected bosses.
This city REEKS as it always has for the past 180 years.
~ The ghost of EXAMSCAM
Anonymous said...
How did people approach the scenario with the squatter? Active shooter? SWAT incident? Shots fired at or possibly by the police? Force entry or secure the perimeter and evacuate adjoining buildings? I can't stop second guessing myself on this one.
1/12/2014 12:26:00 PM
That was a SWAT incident. And if you would've picked nine of the 12 initial steps for the first supervisor on scene right from the swat order you would've been Golden ...
1. Assess the situation
2. Determine if the situation requires the implementation of the swat incident program and if so implement it
3. Advise OEMC of the circumstances
4. Establish firearms control
5. Supervise the apprehension of the offender if practical
6. Designate a communications car
7. Designate a mobilization point and approach routes which provide for the safe arrival of responding personnel
8. Assign additional personnel as needed
9. Isolate and evacuate the area if needed while ensuring anybody with pertinent information remains on scene for debriefing
10. Establish the inner and outer perimeters
11. Ensure arriving personnel park their vehicles and a manner which doesn't obstruct emergency responders
12. Assume the role of incident commander until relieved by a higher supervisor from the Bureau of Patrol
I just pulled those from memory right now because I memorized damn near every word of those sergeants responsibilities from that swat order in the hopes it would be a likely scenario. I eliminated three of those steps because they only asked for nine. I eliminated the evacuate step because they told you the building was already vacant. I can't recall the other two steps I eliminated right now.
If you answered with verbiage right from the order you are going to score mega points. Same with the pursuit directive questions. Same with the escaped prisoner scenario.
And yes to the poster asking about the bathroom graffiti. It IS an EEO complaint. The one poster listed DSSs steps to address it. I also had all of those steps with the exception of two: instead of asking the male officer if he had anything to do with it (after all he is not the only one who uses that bathroom and the outcry witness officer is only acting on assumption - hell, based on the reality of this scenario, there are probably several male officers who know "how Susie L likes it") I chose to notify the female officer who was the target of the graffiti and informed her that I would be obtaining an EEO complaint on her behalf. And instead of having the janitor remove the graffiti I said document the entire incident on the watch incident log
Good luck to everybody who studied. And a BIG FUCK YOU to those special people who had answers or information regarding the contents of the test well in advance.
Was the graffiti on the bathroom wall supposed to be an EEO Complaint?
Yes and a cl number. Call for et. Address issue at roll call and let them know issue won't be tolerated. Do a gocr. And I would clean up graffiti.
Your dealing with a squatter in a foreclosed property that refuses to come out. Your officers around the back state they see him with a gun. Then two shots ring out. What actions do you take?
1. Medical aid to anyone injured
2. Notify OEMC that shots have been fired
3. Call out for additional units
4. Establish an inner and outher perimeter
5. Call for SWAT HBT
6. Establish a command post
7. Notify DSS, district commander and CPIC
I think they only wanted the top seven actions. This was from the SWAT GO, which lists 14 actions the supervisor takes and four the first officers on scene take.
connected have the answers ahead of time for scenarios that will throw u off.i think i heard shots,i hearD glass break,and i see a person walking in a disputed residence walking in the residence with a gun! hbt?i think not,but we will never have a chance to challenge,but connected wrote it ,and they got it!SAD BUT TRUE!
You hear what appears to be two gunshots. Cliff hanger.
First, you go to back of building to make sure the officer assisting you or anyone else isn't shot, medical attention if anyone is. It said guy has gun. Second, call 10-1 and get manpower over there immediately. Third, secure area, setup perimeter. Fourth, from safe distance try to get him to come out. Fifth, implement swat incident plan. The rest - duties associated with plan.
A squad car gets vandalized. List 3 reasons why you would notify CPIC.
1. It is an officer safety issue
2. It is an emerging crime pattern
3. CPIC is our most efficient way to disseminate info to officers citywide
How bout we all chime in on how we answered questions rather then making snarky remarks? Hope this helps and I look forward to hearing how some of you answered. Good luck all
OT
Good job by A/N detectives and 16 Tact on arresting 3 for the two home invasions. POS gang bangers from 014. Thanks for keeping the homefront safe guys
Did anyone else see our former FOP President taking the Sgt.Exam? Goof was walking around with his glasses hanging down his V- neck sweater, lookin like a little pu$$%. I wanted to fling one of my 10 extra pencils in his direction!! FU MS!
Anonymous said...
Hi Kids. 10G here. Hope all did well on Part 2. FYI I put 10 large on Carolina PLUS a point and the OVER 55 points in the Denv/SD game. Wish me luck kids. Gotta get back on that Cruise Ship after last week's Arctic cold.
1/12/2014 08:26:00 AM
What a loser. The only cruising you'll be doing is up Belmont Ave.
�I love the question with the guy taking money on the SW and one of the answers was to not say anything and take a cut of the action. That wasn't the correct answer?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
the aquatter scenario was not an active shooter its hbt we dont know if the squatter or police fired it just said u hear two shots
1/12/2014 11:19:00 AM
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now I thought there was no more HBT ... now it is SWAT only
am I wrong?
Anonymous said...
The one question asked assume that officers conducted the sobriety tests and the off duty officer failed them. Name the most important reports that need to be done.
The thing about that is the order states only a member of higher rank can conduct sobriety tests when dealing with an off duty drunk driver
1/12/2014 11:46:00 AM
Wrong answer. How can an exempt give field sobriety tests if they are not trained to give them? Supervisor from BIA will give the tests.
my neighbor's kid got a job as a proctor for the first part but got arrested since then and actually did the right thing and reported that to his temp company that had the contract for the test.
They told him not to worry about it and even called him for part 2 but he had his bond forfeited on a second arrest and couldn't make it because he's in county til mid-Feb.
Other IO/ "SMEs" mistakes...It is also the PRS. You log field observations and counseling sessions (among other things) in the PRS, not the PES. The PES is an annual summary/overall evaluation based on 5 categories of great-(or not so great)ness. SME? SMH! So much for continual feedback and coaching being part of the intense job analysis of CPD supervisors- they don't even know the name of the system!
Does anybody remember the second and third question on exam over damage to a dept vehicle? I thought it read the two actions you would take.
1. Prepare Damage to Vehicle Report
2. Arrange for vehicle to be transported to area garage and a pool car obtained to replace it.
Some I talked to answered "Prepare traffic crash report "although I thought this was a damaged vehicle. I don't remember if this was off a crash or it was a continuation of the vandalized vehicle scenario
The next question was what else would you do?
Obtain a control board number
I took Bernstein test prep and CPD test prep. The first one prepared me well, the second one scammed me. CPD test prep scammed hundreds. A lawsuit against them should get officers money back. Anyone hear anything about a class action against them?The sad part is a Sgt Neil Mc somebody of CPD is the owner. Pathetic
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You are the DSS. The janitor enters the bathroom and he and officer X discover writing on the wall disparaging a certain female PO. They both enter your office to report it. Officer X states another officer on the watch who is working just ended a relationship with the listed female PO. What actions would you take as DSS.
1. Generate a general offence case report for Criminal Defacement.
2. Order an ET to photo and process the crime scene
3. To From to initiate a CR and contact IPRA to obtain a log number
4. Obtain a To From from Officer X as to what he told you regarding his suspicions.
5. Meet with the officer he mentioned in private and ask if he had anything to do with the graffiti
6. When the ET is finished processing the scene, have the janitor remove the offensive material
1/12/2014 12:14:00 PM
Wrong, cant question a member regarding in his part an incident if he may be fired or disciplined for it.
Anonymous said...
You are the DSS. The janitor enters the bathroom and he and officer X discover writing on the wall disparaging a certain female PO. They both enter your office to report it. Officer X states another officer on the watch who is working just ended a relationship with the listed female PO. What actions would you take as DSS.
1. Generate a general offence case report for Criminal Defacement.
2. Order an ET to photo and process the crime scene
3. To From to initiate a CR and contact IPRA to obtain a log number
4. Obtain a To From from Officer X as to what he told you regarding his suspicions.
5. Meet with the officer he mentioned in private and ask if he had anything to do with the graffiti
6. When the ET is finished processing the scene, have the janitor remove the offensive material
______________________________
Well, there's minus 3 points in this answer.
Anonymous said...
You are the DSS. The janitor enters the bathroom and he and officer X discover writing on the wall disparaging a certain female PO. They both enter your office to report it. Officer X states another officer on the watch who is working just ended a relationship with the listed female PO. What actions would you take as DSS.
1. Generate a general offence case report for Criminal Defacement.
2. Order an ET to photo and process the crime scene
3. To From to initiate a CR and contact IPRA to obtain a log number
4. Obtain a To From from Officer X as to what he told you regarding his suspicions.
5. Meet with the officer he mentioned in private and ask if he had anything to do with the graffiti
6. When the ET is finished processing the scene, have the janitor remove the offensive material
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It's seems like all you know it all super coppers, forgot about the rights of a police officer. You know that minor detail called administrative proceeding rights.
First off the officer is unknown and you AS A OFFICER HAVE RIGHTS! The supervisor is not allowed to question you prior to you receiving and acknowledging your rights.
There were over a dozen questions that the answer was."CL #". A first I thought it was a typo. It's nice that IO Solutions took it upon themselves to correct our orders
1/12/2014 08:44:00 AM
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Maybe you should read OUR orders.
I heard Commander V's study group had a 100% suckcess rate on the last test. 7 out of 7! Can anyone confirm?
Anonymous said...
Best wishes for those that chose that road. And remember. FOP is not a Union. Never has been a union. Or will ever be a union.
FOP is simply a collective bargaining unit that hasn't done anything but blow smoke up it's members ars's. I would like to see a real union represent us? Just for shits n giggles?
1/12/2014 01:28:00 PM
Can you explain the differences you would like to see?
How about a union that speaks for it's members without regard to clout...but we all know this is part of Chicago politics.
What's a bullet point?
How about the date formats on the report review section. Seriously, they were using dashes. I bet they don't even know it was in error. ie 12-NOV-13 Every report review had it.
Anonymous said...
If there are 2 captains in the water and you only have one life preserver, what kind of sandwich do you make?
1/12/2014 04:44:00 PM
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Exactly. Definitely seems to me that people did not read the actual question that was being asked. Many had nothing to do with the actual scenario in the open ended questions.
There were numerous "bullet points" that could've been used within the scenarios. If you followed directions and finished the test, you should do well. The only reason part C carried the least amount of points is because it was the shortest section of the exam. Every point counts. Those that finished the exam will score higher.
Holy fuck looking at some of the bitching and answers here I feel much better about my chances of making sergeant. One there was plenty of time to complete the test. If you didn't finish you were unprepared or borderline retarded. Two if you don't know what a cl# is you are both lazy for not studying and not the working police. Third a supervisor is NEVER the person to "help" a copper in the wrong for testing purposes... Duh
You are the DSS. The janitor enters the bathroom and he and officer X discover writing on the wall disparaging a certain female PO. They both enter your office to report it. Officer X states another officer on the watch who is working just ended a relationship with the listed female PO. What actions would you take as DSS.
1. Generate a general offence case report for Criminal Defacement.
2. Order an ET to photo and process the crime scene
3. To From to initiate a CR and contact IPRA to obtain a log number
4. Obtain a To From from Officer X as to what he told you regarding his suspicions.
5. Meet with the officer he mentioned in private and ask if he had anything to do with the graffiti
6. When the ET is finished processing the scene, have the janitor remove the offensive material
Sorry, player-- can't interview till later per collective bargaining agreement. it would be a cl log number - don't have a formal accused officer yet.
You are the DSS. The janitor enters the bathroom and he and officer X discover writing on the wall disparaging a certain female PO. They both enter your office to report it. Officer X states another officer on the watch who is working just ended a relationship with the listed female PO. What actions would you take as DSS.
1. Generate a general offence case report for Criminal Defacement.
2. Order an ET to photo and process the crime scene
3. To From to initiate a CR and contact IPRA to obtain a log number
4. Obtain a To From from Officer X as to what he told you regarding his suspicions.
5. Meet with the officer he mentioned in private and ask if he had anything to do with the graffiti
6. When the ET is finished processing the scene, have the janitor remove the offensive material
1/12/2014 12:14:00 PM
I disagree with #5. The men's room is now a crime scene. Put a P.O. on it to guard it. If something happens to that graffiti before the ET gets there you're up shit creek.
Here's a question that should have been on the test:
How do you handle the following situation:
You receive info about an employee that is being carried working on the A&A's while she/he is also working on a TV crime drama about the CPD?
How does her/his supervisor also have a hand in this theft .
What do you do with both employees?
The one about the crash with po. might be drinking...
1. traffic crash report
2.traffic tickets
3.impound/tow
4.warning to motorist
5.ADIR (alcohol drug influence report)
6.arrest report
1/12/2014 04:35:00 PM
The question asked to list OTHER reports, forms, documentation etc that required so I didn't include the Traffic Crash Report in my list. Did anyone else exclude it? However, I did add the Law Enforcement Sworn Report, CR initiation report (is this what it's called, I don't know but this is how Bernstein called it so I sent with that).
Ok, so I get the fact that it was limited to a specific number of bullet points, but can anyone tell me how may words per bullet point? Why do people think you can only list 4-6 words in a bullet point. And where does it say that? Webster's dictionary does not define it as such.
If you give me a box, I will fill it! However I will break it up with the requested number of bullet points. So when asked give 3 bullet points and gave me 9 lines in a box, guess what, I gave 9 lines of answers with 3 bullet points. If you did anything less you short changed yourself don't kid yourself. They only wanted it to be easier to correct, which would be more cost efficient for them.
Did anyone else see our former FOP President taking the Sgt.Exam? Goof was walking around with his glasses hanging down his V- neck sweater, lookin like a little pu$$%. I wanted to fling one of my 10 extra pencils in his direction!! FU MS!
1/12/2014 06:50:00 PM
You know you voted for him.
Anonymous said...
You are the DSS. The janitor enters the bathroom and he and officer X discover writing on the wall disparaging a certain female PO. They both enter your office to report it. Officer X states another officer on the watch who is working just ended a relationship with the listed female PO. What actions would you take as DSS.
1. Generate a general offence case report for Criminal Defacement.
2. Order an ET to photo and process the crime scene
3. To From to initiate a CR and contact IPRA to obtain a log number
4. Obtain a To From from Officer X as to what he told you regarding his suspicions.
5. Meet with the officer he mentioned in private and ask if he had anything to do with the graffiti
6. When the ET is finished processing the scene, have the janitor remove the offensive material
______________________________
Well, there's minus 3 points in this answer.
1/12/2014 08:34:00 PM
Ha,ha. Exactly, dude would've been better off not answering it at all. he would have ended up with the same amount of points
the 3 he got correct and the three got wrong it's a wash so you got 0 points
Squater situation. Notify oemc,mobile via radio with officer get further information, establish a perimeter, request additional manpower, crowd control. Then I said form a contact strike team and enter which I think it went downhill from there! Lol
we already heard all of your crying about it on facebook. shut up already about it. you didnt study and you failed. you made it clear on facebook about a half our after you came home from the test you were gonna file a lawsuit.. just like dude on the street you are no better.
1/12/2014 04:06:00 PM: 1/12/2014 04:06:00 PM
Hey Jerk, I'm not on Facebook and I DID study thats why it is bothering me....
Thanks for being an anonymous asshole though...
What order covered escaped prisoners?
all answers on all the booklets are the same. you should of sat by a smart looking person with a tie and suit. No one cared where you sat !
That was the key to make the 1st class, dress in business attire.
Studied hard, felt like I knew the answers to most of the questions, but seriously failed at time management. Who ever would have thought four hours wouldn't be enough time to finish. Didn't even get to section three. Hopefully the value is as low as they said at the start of the test.
My only saving grace is that most of the room also didn't finish the test in four hours, hopefully that will help my score.
1/12/2014 11:46:00 AM
Finished at about the three hour mark. Went back to a couple of iffy questions and re-read, changed one, left the other alone.
Place was still mostly full when I was leaving.
Guess I'm just a fast reader and test-taker.
You are the DSS. The janitor enters the bathroom and he and officer X discover writing on the wall disparaging a certain female PO. They both enter your office to report it. Officer X states another officer on the watch who is working just ended a relationship with the listed female PO. What actions would you take as DSS.
1. Generate a general offence case report for Criminal Defacement.
Dude, since when does a DSS generate a case report. You failed. Sorry.
Clean slate 7.org
What a joke tom McD has never had a bad spot on this job. He's currently in for merit Sgt. Is this guy teLly who you want running the union.
Don't believe me????
Look how young he is-- he's the hotel Det in 018. Now his age doesn't matter, but consider this--- the hotel Det spot in 018 is probably the most sought after spot around and he got it as a new Det- he bounced tons of old timers with his juice. If he sleeps with the big bosses he can't be trusted- Period!!!!
Prior to that he was the Det assigned to navy pier. We have that????
Ask him what his actual assignments with in the Det. div were.
1/11/2014 04:55:00 PM
Hey anonymous, do your homework on me. I am 45 years old and been a dick since 2000. If that makes me young, I appreciate the compliment. I am currently working RBT in the 018th District and yes I do handle hotel related incidents, but there is no distinction as I handle everything. I have never worked at Navy Pier, but have gone on the Ferris wheel there with my family. As far as never had a bad spot, I've never had a bad day on this job period. If working in a unit on this job makes me a horrible person, sorry for your misery. Your misinformed statements are laughable. I am a good guy who gives a fuck about people, especially other policemen and policewomen. I play nice, listen to direction well and don't point fingers at others. I am not a politician and that's the problem on Washington Bvld. You are correct about my running for FOP president. If you need legitimate info on me, please call 773-307-5322. I would be more than happy to talk.
The right answer for the cop drinking in his own house , minding his business with his wife : is to get the cr#, bring him to the station, & call BIA to alcohol test him. I knew this was the right answer but could put it down. I struggled. It was poorly written & b.s. And if the CPD wants supervisors that would do this while there in the process of handling a real call then I guess I'm not their man. I have common sense , discretion and good judgement .
The "buzz" words for this test are " Notify the janitor" not the DSS. Are you guys stupid? Geez no wonder they need merit boys! Someone has to know the job! LOL
I'm glad I gave Bernstein some $ to support his black jack habit. He charges too much for what he offers. See you at the next exam, kids.
Took me 25 years to make sgt, studied my but off and even skipped a few tests. My last time I didn't study and answered every question as if I was speaking to a college kid, made it in rank order that time! It was just in time for Me to get my years in and retire.
Managed to avoid ever obtaining a log number and went out as quiet as I came in. Don't forget where you came from and who does the work, take care of your people, it's not that hard! I/F
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Good luck to all, as usual we will still have the clouted being made, but some still slip through based on raw score intelligence.
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actually your mistaken. There are 20-30 percent who are "clouted" or merit. that means 70-80 percent are from the test. Thus, nobody "slips" through, the majority make it by score the rest (or smaller percentage) make it by merit. so no, its not all clouted.. not even majority clouted. Or are you gonna start crying about "people with answers already, secret study groups" and that crap... if you are, save your breath, you will only embarrass yourself more.
1/12/2014 04:08:00 PM
How many of that 70-80 percent score well because they have a heads up on the specific info that's going to be on the test?
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You are the DSS. The janitor enters the bathroom and he and officer X discover writing on the wall disparaging a certain female PO. They both enter your office to report it. Officer X states another officer on the watch who is working just ended a relationship with the listed female PO. What actions would you take as DSS.
1. Generate a general offence case report for Criminal Defacement.
2. Order an ET to photo and process the crime scene
3. To From to initiate a CR and contact IPRA to obtain a log number
4. Obtain a To From from Officer X as to what he told you regarding his suspicions.
5. Meet with the officer he mentioned in private and ask if he had anything to do with the graffiti
6. When the ET is finished processing the scene, have the janitor remove the offensive material
1/12/2014 12:14:00 PM
Wrong, cant question a member regarding in his part an incident if he may be fired or disciplined for it.
1/12/2014 08:09:00 PM
Get out your Sharpie and write something intelligent and completely untrue. Maybe a poem, roses are red...
Anonymous said...
For the squater and two shots heard. They're trying to find out what you would do as a sergeant within the first few minutes of hearing those two shots fired while on-scene. It's not an ASIP. It is simply "shots fired." As a sergeant and within the first few minutes of hearing those shots, you would need to:
1) determine who fired the shots.
2) call OEMC
3) render aid if necessary
4) secure the firearm and preserve for evidence
5) call for assisting units
6) notify the DSS
1/12/2014 04:04:00 PM
WRONG.
That was a SWAT incident. And if you would've picked nine of the 12 initial steps for the first supervisor on scene right from the swat order you would've been Golden ...
1. Assess the situation
2. Determine if the situation requires the implementation of the swat incident program and if so implement it
3. Advise OEMC of the circumstances
4. Establish firearms control
5. Supervise the apprehension of the offender if practical
6. Designate a communications car
7. Designate a mobilization point and approach routes which provide for the safe arrival of responding personnel
8. Assign additional personnel as needed
9. Isolate and evacuate the area if needed while ensuring anybody with pertinent information remains on scene for debriefing
10. Establish the inner and outer perimeters
11. Ensure arriving personnel park their vehicles and a manner which doesn't obstruct emergency responders
12. Assume the role of incident commander until relieved by a higher supervisor from the Bureau of Patrol
I just pulled those from memory right now because I memorized damn near every word of those sergeants responsibilities from that swat order in the hopes it would be a likely scenario. I eliminated three of those steps because they only asked for nine. I eliminated the evacuate step because they told you the building was already vacant. I can't recall the other two steps I eliminated right now.
CORRECT
Is it true that section c was only worth 3 points?
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Contact card scenario.....1st watch at 1500?
1/12/2014 09:03:00 AM
Early start.
1/12/2014 05:40:00 PM
Shit....I thought that I may see daylight at the beginning of my tour in the near future....oh well wishful thinking I guess. Good luck everyone.
Oh know! Be prepared to start studying again. Test dumped...iOS solutions leaked info. Flores in on it. Cr initiated!
Escapee......RWOC???
Just like the one my friend had showed me!
The next question was what else would you do?
Obtain a control board number. If you answered obtain control # would you get partial credit?
squatter incident is hbt incident in which you call out swat
Does anyone know if there were different versions of the test? I ask because I didn't see/read any question about graffiti in the bathroom; only to the police vehicle.
If there wasn't more than one version ....I'm screwed :-/
ok you needed a 53% to pass the 1st part, do you really think your gonna get promoted.
You are the DSS. The janitor enters the bathroom and he and officer X discover writing on the wall disparaging a certain female PO. They both enter your office to report it. Officer X states another officer on the watch who is working just ended a relationship with the listed female PO. What actions would you take as DSS.
1. Generate a general offence case report for Criminal Defacement.
2. Order an ET to photo and process the crime scene
3. To From to initiate a CR and contact IPRA to obtain a log number
4. Obtain a To From from Officer X as to what he told you regarding his suspicions.
5. Meet with the officer he mentioned in private and ask if he had anything to do with the graffiti
6. When the ET is finished processing the scene, have the janitor remove the offensive material
*********. Ummmmmm, no. You should have initiated an EEO complaint. Minus 7 for you sarge
Does anybody remember the second and third question on exam over damage to a dept vehicle? I thought it read the two actions you would take.
1. Prepare Damage to Vehicle Report
2. Arrange for vehicle to be transported to area garage and a pool car obtained to replace it.
Some I talked to answered "Prepare traffic crash report "although I thought this was a damaged vehicle. I don't remember if this was off a crash or it was a continuation of the vandalized vehicle scenario
The next question was what else would you do?
Obtain a control board number
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Two things you would complete are department vehicle traffic crash or damage report and Illinois traffic crash report... Second part is obtain a control board number from fleet management
I wiped a booger on my test booklet
The one about the crash with po. might be drinking...
1. traffic crash report
2.traffic tickets
3.impound/tow
4.warning to motorist
5.ADIR (alcohol drug influence report)
6.arrest report
&&&&&. You are correct for a DUI but the asked for the most important.. You left out all of the internal documents and procedural forms for an officer... I'm abou 99 percent certain those are more important than the impound considering they made the scenario police officer based.. Good luck
And yes to the poster asking about the bathroom graffiti. It IS an EEO complaint. The one poster listed DSSs steps to address it. I also had all of those steps with the exception of two: instead of asking the male officer if he had anything to do with it (after all he is not the only one who uses that bathroom and the outcry witness officer is only acting on assumption - hell, based on the reality of this scenario, there are probably several male officers who know "how Susie L likes it") I chose to notify the female officer who was the target of the graffiti and informed her that I would be obtaining an EEO complaint on her behalf. And instead of having the janitor remove the graffiti I said document the entire incident on the watch incident log
Sorry YOU FAILED!!
There was another room in the first floor that was specially for pos that had some physical problems. Like for example back problems. I heard they where allow an extra hour to finish the test. I think many in the regular testing area weren't finished because there was not enough time. Can this be a grievance? Was this fair?
To all of you crying about the time given and posting negative feedback, go complain your baby asses to fop like you originally plan on doing anyways. Time was fair you focused to long on questions PERIOD. Read, answer, and move on only check back on your answers if you had time. It is so funny to read all your b.s about proctors and the test I studied I finished and I didn't think it was that bad. If I fail I blame myself as so should you!
I thought the S03-04-04 on CPIC was not to be included on the Sergeant's Exam, but it was part of the scenarios in the booklet. If you look at the link there is a letter from I/O Solutions dated July 23, 2013, that it would not be included on the exam, but behold it was there!
breath Mike breath
Those of us who are good test takers will make it along with those who have clout. To me it was a hard test. To those of you who will make it... Please don't forget us regular folks.
I took Bernstein test prep and CPD test prep. The first one prepared me well, the second one scammed me. CPD test prep scammed hundreds. A lawsuit against them should get officers money back. Anyone hear anything about a class action against them?The sad part is a Sgt Neil Mc somebody of CPD is the owner. Pathetic
1/12/2014 07:55:00 PM
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We went to Bernstein's free lieutenant's seminar at Malcolm X college last week on Sunday;
When we came out to our cars in the 10 below 0 temperature the CPDTEST Prep fools put information cards on all our windshields.
Scammers
Anonymous said...
Congrats to those that actually finished the exam. There was easily 1,000 people that didn't finish.
1/12/2014 08:23:00 AM
I hope you're correct cuz that means a potential 1000 people that I did better than. A lot of people looked like they had gotten hit by a train when they called "time". There were plenty of audible groans from every corner of the place also, which pretty much confirms plenty of folks didn't finish. People walking out looking visibly whipped. You can tell the people who were taking their first promotional exam by their long faces and dejected attitudes. Welcome to what you'll have to deal with every time a test comes up that you didn't study for.
CPD Test Prep part II wasn't totally worthless but was not extremely helpful. They did have a DUI guy go over DUI stuff so that was helpful for one question but most people would be able to get that info spending a few minutes on the order and the form names. I took Bernstein also, and as much as I think the class prices are RIDICULOUS, Bernstein does give a good summary of a lot more information and makes you think outside of the box about things not in the general orders. I give Bernstein a 90% approval rating and CPD TestPrep a 60%. That said, I'm never paying for another class. I have spent my lifetime limit!
Just cause you finished doesn't mean you did better dumbass. If you rushed / didn't think some of them out you may have lost points that I didn't get on last question or so
EEOC complaint on who. "A department member who he or she believes they have have been a victim of employment discrimination etc". Not the 3 rd part PO who think it might be this guy. The female did not file the complaint
The graffiti on the bathroom wall about Susie performing felatio on donkeys was an EI EIO complaint.
There is no GO on escaped prisoners that I know of. Bernstein thought it was testable, and he gave us answers for it. That and the practice tests helped me , as I am not that smart. I needed all 4 hours to finish.
I hate to do this to you but I encourage everyone to call Tom McDonagh at 773-307-5322. I called and he answered his phone and didn't even ask my name. I asked serious questions and got real answers. If you don't know who to vote for or don't think it matters call him. You have my vote.
the bathroom wall question is not an EEO complaint. call flores or fronczak in legal affairs if you want it explained
I studied (not as much as some, more than others) and I thought the test was fair. The situations were relevant. I think there was enough time. I stayed until the end- I finished with about 20 minutes to spare and reviewed my answers. From the comments of those in line as we walked out, more than 1/2 of those in line (which were about 1/2 of those who started the exam) had already finished. Thus, you are talking about 20% or so who "might" not have finished. If so, they didn't finish the least important section- the head proctor said exactly this as she whispered the instructions (they need better sound!).
I see a lot of people talking about the numbered booklet they received. IO developed and CPS administered- call CPS about it. They are likely going to tell you to call city HR though. You put a Taleo ID number on the test- I wouldn't worry, that is what they are going to use.
For those ripping on the proctors, be careful (and respectful). Yah, they didn't look like the most professional group, but someone could "see through" those comments and think something else about your statement. I thought the situations were relevant, it hit on the areas they said and more importantly, the ones I thought were more important! I did my own preparation- no Bernstein. I have 5 friends who took the Bernstein class- 3 said it was useless, 1 said it was ok and 1 thought it was very helpful. I'm glad I did what I did.
Anyone have an insight into when the results will come?
And yes to the poster asking about the bathroom graffiti. It IS an EEO complaint. The one poster listed DSSs steps to address it. I also had all of those steps with the exception of two: instead of asking the male officer if he had anything to do with it (after all he is not the only one who uses that bathroom and the outcry witness officer is only acting on assumption - hell, based on the reality of this scenario, there are probably several male officers who know "how Susie L likes it") I chose to notify the female officer who was the target of the graffiti and informed her that I would be obtaining an EEO complaint on her behalf. And instead of having the janitor remove the graffiti I said document the entire incident on the watch incident log
Sorry YOU FAILED!!
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Ok know it all tell him why he failed then... Let me guess you can't accept that you didn't make it an EEO complaint which it clearly was. They tried to trick you with the title of the scenario which was sophomoric graffiti making it sound not like a big deal when in reality they wanted the steps for an EEO complaint.. If you did otherwise then you did not get full credit for your answers... But my guess is that your a troll who didn't even take the test..
You are the DSS. The janitor enters the bathroom and he and officer X discover writing on the wall disparaging a certain female PO. They both enter your office to report it. Officer X states another officer on the watch who is working just ended a relationship with the listed female PO. What actions would you take as DSS.
1. Generate a general offence case report for Criminal Defacement.
2. Order an ET to photo and process the crime scene
3. To From to initiate a CR and contact IPRA to obtain a log number
4. Obtain a To From from Officer X as to what he told you regarding his suspicions.
5. Meet with the officer he mentioned in private and ask if he had anything to do with the graffiti
6. When the ET is finished processing the scene, have the janitor remove the offensive
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
You can't interview the officer about a pending cr number and if the investigation has not been assigned to you by ipra or iAd. Doing so is in direct violation of the officers rights. Everything else sounds ok except you should have went a step further and pulled an EEO number.. The interviewing the officer and not pulling an EEO number may hurt you on that one. Not hatin, just trying to help ya out.. I know coppers despise feedback and criticism
Oh know! Be prepared to start studying again. Test dumped...iOS solutions leaked info. Flores in on it. Cr initiated!
1/13/2014 12:17:00 AM
I know I know.. You heard it here first. Go back to bed you miserable slob...
The one about the crash with po. might be drinking...
1. traffic crash report
2.traffic tickets
3.impound/tow
4.warning to motorist
5.ADIR (alcohol drug influence report)
6.arrest report
1/12/2014 04:35:00 PM
The question asked to list OTHER reports, forms, documentation etc that required so I didn't include the Traffic Crash Report in my list. Did anyone else exclude it? However, I did add the Law Enforcement Sworn Report, CR initiation report (is this what it's called, I don't know but this is how Bernstein called it so I sent with that).
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Yeah I also left out the traffic crash report because it already mentioned the crash report in the scenario narrative as being completed. I also did the DUI forms and disciplinary proceeding forms.
The graffiti in the bathroom had all the makeshift of an EEO complaint however there was no victim/complainant. As the DSS you still have to go through the motions of documenting, getting witness statements (to-froms), additional fact finding, contacting IPRA etc. NO EEO complaint number though.
I am curious about the Detectives test, and E.T. test. Will anyone take it? I would ratherbe a detective than a sgt.
I started writing numbers instead of bullets. After reading the instructions on the boxes, I realized the instructions specifically stated bullets. Anyone else have this problem? If so do you think they will give partial credit even though you listed a number list?
I'm gonna have to call my Guy, Alderman, Reverend and Chinaman after this!
No bullet points = no score!
For the traffic crash with the odpo would notice of alcohol and drug testing be one of the reports?
I hope you make it Liz, you deserve it. Nobody can do what you did for past 8 or 9 months and get away with it, then just waltz on back like nothing. It shows planning and scamming what we need in a Sgt. lol.
Good luck to the rest of you too.
How about the kidnapped high risk amber alert. Who can keep that shit straight
Crap... I treated the squatter scenario as a suicide. Hopefully there are some same actions in an HBT incident and a suicide.
-somebody's daughter gave it to her entire tac team.
-It's the Chicago way
-No bitching
-No crying
-Just deal with it
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I hope you make it Liz, you deserve it. Nobody can do what you did for past 8 or 9 months and get away with it, then just waltz on back like nothing. It shows planning and scamming what we need in a Sgt. lol.
Good luck to the rest of you too.
1/13/2014 04:11:00 PM
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I think this was supposed to say Speez not Liz - although it was only four months. Hows that bowling league going? Hell of a way to get jammed up. "My doctor cleared me to bowl - but not work." WTF I guess clout makes some people impervious to both rules AND common sense.....
Anonymous said...
I hope you make it Liz, you deserve it. Nobody can do what you did for past 8 or 9 months and get away with it, then just waltz on back like nothing. It shows planning and scamming what we need in a Sgt. lol.
Good luck to the rest of you too.
1/13/2014 04:11:00 PM
Priceless. So true, but yet so sad. Lol
the bathroom wall question is not an EEO complaint. call flores or fronczak in legal affairs if you want it explained
1/13/2014 11:32:00 AM
Is Fronczak still around? Holy shit! Isn't she like a hundred fucking years old?
What is the answer for the question about the juvenile son that wants to file a complaint against his on-duty, uniformed officer father for slapping him in the face? And please point me to a directive that has the answer
I took the first part, scored in the upper 80's.
Being my third shot at sgt I decided to blow off the second test.
I'm just tired of jumping through the hoops, no phone call,no juice,no family on the job.
I have a bachelors, state license for paramedic, masters. I have never seen a testing process as the one that is presented to the backbone of this department.
Why isn't a sergeant test given every couple years(scantron) like the suburbs
Wouldn't that help the department?
Wouldn't that give the blue shirts a sense of hope?
Wouldn't the fact that patrolmen constantly studying general orders would be a plus?
A promotional exam being given 8 years after the last only gives a sense of desperation, of lack of hope, and I for one refuses to line up for it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am curious about the Detectives test, and E.T. test. Will anyone take it? I would ratherbe a detective than a sgt.
1/13/2014 02:37:00 PM
Made sergeant with 14yrs on. I completely agree with this poster.
Detective is responsible for his/her self, not for a big bunch of people with their own agendas. Make up the money with o.t., court or a part-timer.
The escaped prisoner, he gets RWOC'd.
The graffiti, you have it removed, or covered over.
And while I didn't take the test, if one of the questions involved a
shot fired in a building, while there is a copper in there....you rush the fucking building.
Any other answer, you shouldn't be a cop, much less a supervisor!
What is the answer for the question about the juvenile son that wants to file a complaint against his on-duty, uniformed officer father for slapping him in the face? And please point me to a directive that has the answer
1/13/2014 08:12:00 PM
Arrest. It's a domestic battery.
IF you call a 10-1, just because you hear shots fired.... you are a coward/moron/ass-clown/ give it a name.
As a Patrolman who ONCE had the unfortunate opportunity to NEED one, you are killing it.
The way this job is going, the way it is, quit being an asshole. All we have is each other.
I've seen many great coppers get hurt trying to help "us", for BS help calls.
That is a special call and if you keep crying wolf, nobody will come.
Jerk
You can use bullet points or numbers. If you read the instructions in the study guide provided in the Portal, it says numbers or bullet points. Their example used numbers.
Anonymous said...
You can use bullet points or numbers. If you read the instructions in the study guide provided in the Portal, it says numbers or bullet points. Their example used numbers.
1/13/2014 10:30:00 PM
Negative pal. Instructions of the examples on the study guide stated numbered or bulleted list, thereby giving you two options. On the exam, it clearly stated bulleted list.
Per I/o solutions study guide page 23:
Follow the Exercise Specific Instructions
Each section (and subsection) of the written assessment will have specific written instructions and rules. It is critical that you follow these instructions and rules. For example, if you are told to create a numbered or bullet-pointed list in reference to a question, you must do so. If the instructions indicate that a narrative is not acceptable, please note that any narrative content will not be scored as you will be seen as not complying with the explicit test instructions. Also, note that the written assessment has “negative” scoring provisions. Providing a “poor” answer may result in points being deducted.
IF you call a 10-1, just because you hear shots fired.... you are a coward/moron/ass-clown/ give it a name.
As a Patrolman who ONCE had the unfortunate opportunity to NEED one, you are killing it.
The way this job is going, the way it is, quit being an asshole. All we have is each other.
I've seen many great coppers get hurt trying to help "us", for BS help calls.
That is a special call and if you keep crying wolf, nobody will come.
Jerk
You're not a jerk. You're a fucking moron. Let me guess.....Northside District.
1/13/2014 09:53:00 PM
Domestic Battery??? Are you soft? You ever hear of this term? Corporal Punishment? It's allowed in Illinois unless it is deemed EXCESSIVE, under 705 ILCS 405/2-3) (from Ch. 37, par. 802-3)
Sec. 2-3. Neglected or abused minor
Stuttering Bill Daugherty, at the north side retiree breakfast, admitted to keeping several hundred retirees from re-joining the FOP, unless they paid a fine. He also stated that the City Wide thugs, went to Springfield, and had SB 218 passed so that retirees could carry their weapons. Keep talking Bill, and bring Steve Robbins with you to the next breakfast. Every time Bill opens his mouth, he loses votes. How is the veteran you dissed going to vote, Bill?
You guys are thinking it through too much with the bullet points. You don't physically have to draw a bullet point or even a number. They were looking for short concise answers. They even said you don't need to answer in a complete sentence, just needed to give the brief, concise, and correct answer. Don't beat yourselves up over putting down a symbol on the answer book.
The graffiti in the bathroom had all the makeshift of an EEO complaint however there was no victim/complainant. As the DSS you still have to go through the motions of documenting, getting witness statements (to-froms), additional fact finding, contacting IPRA etc. NO EEO complaint number though.
1/13/2014 02:31:00 PM
Read the order... It's an EEO complaint. You have a victim. You call her in and initiate it on her behalf weather she wants to pursue it or not. Read the order and all of your questions will be answered...
On the bullet point versus numbers front, unfortunately if you didn't use what they told you to use on each question, you did not get points. Bernstein said that they even like to change it up sometimes...bullet points, bullet points, and then suddenly they ask for numbers. Supposedly, they want to make sure you pay attention to detail and can follow directions. Like I had time to read the instructions! I didn't even have time to finish. lol.
Anonymous said...
Try to remember who was sitting next to you so at a later time we can figure out where they work or who they are tied into because if they finished the test in under 2 hrs without a doubt they cheated. I'm sorry but you were in the position to have answers given to you prior to the test. Don't even try to explain how one could finish that fast on a legit basis it just is not possible. Sorry.
1/12/2014 10:12:00
Seriously? It took me just over 2 hours and I didn't study much at all for this second part. I'm sorry if you can not read as fast or comprehend the words quickly enough. But to say the people who finished before your slow as cheated...please!
Anonymous said...
I appreciated the team running for fop that were handing out pencils to everyone and they weren't #2 pencils. Thanks for moving me up 1000 spots. Genius move.
1/12/2014 01:46:00 PM
Relax...they are #2 pencils.
You dont have a complaint it would be Anonymous but you still get the cl number. For EEoc
I am a 2 year vet of this Department and am thinking about filing a class action law suit against the Department for not letting me take the test. This test was based solely on your knowledge of the G.O.s S.Os. It had nothing to do with the time you've had. I've spent the last 6 months in 019. I did my cycles in 003, 005 and 004. I've seen and done as much as anyone on this job and I would have made a good Sgt. I would have been fair and compassionate. I've seen too many Sgt's who only look out for themselves.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You guys are thinking it through too much with the bullet points. You don't physically have to draw a bullet point or even a number. They were looking for short concise answers. They even said you don't need to answer in a complete sentence, just needed to give the brief, concise, and correct answer. Don't beat yourselves up over putting down a symbol on the answer book.
1/14/2014 01:14:00 AM
Simple instruction, use bullet points.
It didn't say make a numbered list. It didn't say "use Roman numerals". Bullet points. Too hard to make a little circle in front of each item?
It's not an EEO situation. The following is the definition of what elements need to be met to constitute an EEO complaint via the EEO website:
Sexual Harassment
It is unlawful to harass a person (an applicant or employee) because of that person’s sex. Harassment can include “sexual harassment” or unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical harassment of a sexual nature.
Harassment does not have to be of a sexual nature, however, and can include offensive remarks about a person’s sex. For example, it is illegal to harass a woman by making offensive comments about women in general.
Both victim and the harasser can be either a woman or a man, and the victim and harasser can be the same sex.
Although the law doesn’t prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or isolated incidents that are not very serious, harassment is illegal when it is so frequent or severe that it creates a hostile or offensive work environment or when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted).
The harasser can be the victim's supervisor, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker, or someone who is not an employee of the employer, such as a client or customer.
Nope! city damage to vehicle report and a criminal damage to city proprty report. For the graffiti on the squad car.
Read your CPD order Equal employment opportunity it states that graffiti of a sexual nature constitutes as a EEO complaint. it does not have to be harassment. It can be anyone in the work place that feels uncomfortable about the nature of the event.
just heard a rumor that flores had her hands on a copy of the test and shared it with some of her po friends. Any truth to this?
2 YEAR VET??? Did this moron really say he / she is a 2 year Vet FOR REAL??? Listen youngster... My flashlight has more time on this job then you! I'm sure you would've done well being that you just got finished studying in the Academy a couple of days ago! You would've had it all except for other P/O's respect! You haven't done shit yet, you haven't seen it all, and you definitely haven't experienced it all! EARN YOUR BONES... Work hard... Shut the fuck up... Bust your ass and wait for your fucking turn like the rest of us!!!
P.S. I am going on ten years and this was the first test I was able to take, SO QUIT YOUR BITCHING CADET!!!
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