Scapegoat
- With the heat on in the high-profile David Koschman homicide case, the original Chicago Police Department case file — a file that had been presumed lost, then suddenly surfaced — ended up in a brick bungalow on the Northwest Side.
It was taken there by the owner of the home, Lt. Denis P. Walsh, a well-connected cop with a troubled past. Walsh has now been tied to four instances of missing records in the case, for which former Mayor Richard M. Daley’s nephew Richard J. “R.J.” Vanecko began serving a 60-day jail sentence Friday after pleading guilty to involuntary manslaughter.
The file had been missing for months — possibly years — when it mysteriously turned up one summer’s night three years ago on a shelf in the police station at Belmont and Western.
The officer who reported finding it? Walsh.
This is the type of case that gives fed-types wet dreams of hanging a scalp on the wall.
It also is the type of case that reporters can pick on for years, embarrassing both the Department as a whole and Rahm specifically for failing to take some sort of administrative action against an obviously connected individual. The lieutenant isn't going to jail - he got a limited grant of immunity and Webb has said that no one is getting prosecuted criminally.
But he's a convenient punching bag for the time being - Rahm will let the Sun Times bring him up and beat up coppers in general. Rahm will say there's a system in place to discipline cops for this malfeasance and decry the slow pace of the process on various union "roadblocks." The lieutenant may be stripped or stuffed in an out-of-sight unit before retiring if the heat gets to be too much. And somewhere down the line, it will die out for a while, then trotted out annually as yet another example of the thorough corruption of the Chicago Police Department.
No one in the media will point out that he isn't the cause of the corruption, just a symbol of how deep it runs. That Daley's handpicked promotees and people in a position to affect the levers of power are so deeply placed that they can allow an investigation to go so far off the tracks, that someone can literally, get away with manslaughter for 10 years.
And that is why the Sun Times (and other media) will remain a part of the problem as well.
It also is the type of case that reporters can pick on for years, embarrassing both the Department as a whole and Rahm specifically for failing to take some sort of administrative action against an obviously connected individual. The lieutenant isn't going to jail - he got a limited grant of immunity and Webb has said that no one is getting prosecuted criminally.
But he's a convenient punching bag for the time being - Rahm will let the Sun Times bring him up and beat up coppers in general. Rahm will say there's a system in place to discipline cops for this malfeasance and decry the slow pace of the process on various union "roadblocks." The lieutenant may be stripped or stuffed in an out-of-sight unit before retiring if the heat gets to be too much. And somewhere down the line, it will die out for a while, then trotted out annually as yet another example of the thorough corruption of the Chicago Police Department.
No one in the media will point out that he isn't the cause of the corruption, just a symbol of how deep it runs. That Daley's handpicked promotees and people in a position to affect the levers of power are so deeply placed that they can allow an investigation to go so far off the tracks, that someone can literally, get away with manslaughter for 10 years.
And that is why the Sun Times (and other media) will remain a part of the problem as well.
Labels: scandals
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
150 Comments:
Daley and his important family must be protected at all costs. Some are just too valuable to society to allow them to be caught up in a witch hunt.
Good words, scc. That middle part about Lt DW - if it happens - this will be the second time the department will hide him due ti his "criminal" behavior.
What about Dean Andrews? He sold his soul to the devil.
Two words. Merit Promotions. I do for you...I own you!
SCC, said it B4 here & I'll say it again......DW was a Great Boss in 018. Cool, funny as hell, had patience, and most of ALL backed his POs.
018th Dist POs, U remember when it coulda been DW or U'r current Midi Lt. MS. There was NO contest in which person we wanted as the W/C.
Scapegoat, w/out a doubt!
Will he get away with it like he got away with groping an underage girl?
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The Daley Crime Family.
D Walsh is an arrogant goof and has been getting away with shit for years (including his own felony). However, he is pro police and wouldn't hurt a copper. Clearly he took this file, but who directed him to "handle" this? Hard to say i want to see him get jammed up but this whole incident was slanted to save the mayor's nephew. Ironically it may have simply been a bar fight involving mutual combatants..not worth it officers!
Anyone involved in this deserves all of this. You sold your soul or attempted to sell it to dum dum Daley in hopes that it would further your careers. Well how is that working out for you? Like Deniro said in casino either they were in on it or to stupid realize they were getting hustled. So good riddance to anyone involved.
Then there is this...Police officer sues over transfer from department’s news media office
BY SAM CHARLES Staff Reporter February 19, 2014 12:02AM
http://www.suntimes.com/25686117-761/police-officer-sues-over-transfer-from-departments-news-media-office.html
If you needed help, you would want Denis Walsh on your side. It's amazing to me how coppers turn on each other.
"No one in the media will point out that he isn't the cause of the corruption, just a symbol of how deep it runs."
Nothing short of a direct nuclear strike could destroy the corruption in this city. It starts at the top and permeates every city, county & state agency.
"And that is why the Sun Times (and other media) will remain a part of the problem as well."
It provides reporting fodder. They have no real interest in ridding the city of corruption, despite their claims of being "watchdogs".
Tell me scc and all the other well seasoned investigators...how could this investigation have been better handled by police?
Consider the fact that one party's friends/witnesses could not pick the offender out of a lineup.
Consider the fact that the other party's friends/witnesses lied to police then only came in for questioning with their own attorneys when they decided too. Even then it is doubtful they told the truth.
Consider the fact that the case was presented to the state's attorney's office and charges were rejected, by the supervisor of that unit.
Consider also the fact that the poor victim never had the opportunity to have his say.
Among other things...how or what more would all of you done?
Just some questions?
And why haven't those who lied knowingly, and with the intent to obstruct, been prosecuted or even considered to be prosecuted?
And it was the Police's fault...tell me how please.
Thank you
Obviously the cause of this embarrassment is the police officers' pension and it's unsustainability!
The solution is to get the legislature to cut pensions and COLA's and increase officer's contributions to the pensions from 9% to 18% and to increase the retirement age to 75.
Yes, Rahm says that might fix the problem.
Not defending Walsh's handling of any of this mess, but does the Sun Times know that Constantine 'Dean' Andrews issued an edict removing file cabinets from area five and later, area 3, because he thinks they make the office look too messy?
People took to keeping files in their lockers, their personal car trunks, and - yeah - probably at home, once that happened.
Daley took care of Dennis's felony charges in Michigan and let him keep his job. The least Dennis could do was steal the Vanecko file in return. Why didn't he burn it when he had it?
So...How deep are the problems with the "D" right now? Is it as broken as Patrol is from the N.Y. infection?
Walsh AND Yamashiroya should both be drummed out of the dept. Any way you slice it, SCC, it's a huge embarrassment for the dept. and the city. Walsh's nose is far from clean regarding this case. He wasn't even assigned to the re-investigation of the case, and yet he was always allowed to stay in the loop, even though the case was turned over to a completely different group of detectives…why? His explanation as to how he 'found' the missing (blue) file just defies logic. It's all a bunch of bullshit. Yamashiroya should be made to resign due to the fact that he managed this group of detectives so poorly for so many years.
He's not a scapegoat he's a criminal conspirator.
Ha Another White Shirt
He'll retire and collect his pension
OT: on that anti-pension PBS series - it was initially funded by an anti-public pension former Enron trader.
http://pando.com/2014/02/12/the-wolf-of-sesame-street-revealing-the-secret-corruption-inside-pbss-news-division/
Really?! You think Walsh is a scapegoat?! I think Walsh & Dean Andrews are scumbags that knew what they were doing!!
Very well said SCC. right on point.
. An ASA.
Sorry but he's a scapegoat by choice he got taken care of he will take the heat, retire with a pension and I'm sure land on his feet. Basically the same thing that has been done for every superintendent since I can remember. It's the way things are done mayor gives you a good spot you take all the blame for whatever scandal is going on and then mayor acts surprised. Been going on for years in every city dept . It's called insulation. Same program different scandal
Webb doesn't have the balls, nor the brains, to go after the Daley system and there's nothing the scum times can do about it. They can print all they want but immunity is a beautiful thing.
By the way, Why isn't anyone barking up Mccomstats tree on this one
I (not a cop) worked for the state for many years. One thing you learn is that when you take a certain level job your bosses expect you to know what to do without being told and that when you do it you are on your own when the shit hits the fan. Nobody feels sorry for you when you're cashing those checks twice a month.
Walsh should tell who was calling the shots on the cover up.
A low life protecting the Daleys.
Sorry, but no sympathy here.
He helped cover up a murder.
Nothing will happen to any of them,you the IAD is going to do anything? Chief Rivera is probably shitting all over himself hoping this case does not land on his desk..
All true SCC,
Walsh is such an arrogant prick it is nice to see him get knocked down a peg or two. I don’t know who to side with Walsh or the scum times
100% correct SCC. Thank you.
Walsh AND Yamashiroya should both be drummed out of the dept. Any way you slice it, SCC, it's a huge embarrassment for the dept. and the city. Walsh's nose is far from clean regarding this case. He wasn't even assigned to the re-investigation of the case, and yet he was always allowed to stay in the loop, even though the case was turned over to a completely different group of detectives…why? His explanation as to how he 'found' the missing (blue) file just defies logic. It's all a bunch of bullshit. Yamashiroya should be made to resign due to the fact that he managed this group of detectives so poorly for so many years.
Don't forget Andrews. All Daley promotions. Walsh, Andrews and Yamashiroya. There's you're merit picks. Terrible!!!!! You have become whores for Daley. You have been pimped out. All of you have blood on your hands. God is watching!!!!!
"If you needed help, you would want Denis Walsh on your side. It's amazing to me how coppers turn on each other."
and if you needed to be licked and groped (in Michigan, anyway), you can always call....(assuming you have a relative on the mayor's detail).....
SCC, said it B4 here & I'll say it again......DW was a Great Boss in 018. Cool, funny as hell, had patience, and most of ALL backed his POs.
018th Dist POs, U remember when it coulda been DW or U'r current Midi Lt. MS. There was NO contest in which person we wanted as the W/C.
Scapegoat, w/out a doubt!
Wow such a great Boss up there in 018. We have great bosses in 002-007 also but that's why they are here and not in 018. NO CLOUT
Let's look at some former 018 Bosses, Georgas, Kennedy, Byrne. Wow they moved up because they were great bosses. yea right
OT:FOP Elections are front burner right now. At last nights FOP General meeting, the Chairman of the Election committee said the election was unfair, the interim President Dorety babbled without adequate answers, and a unit rep from 014 demanded action for what he called a "runaway election." National FOP Help!!!! Forget the State Lodge since the VP on Citywide (Dorety) is also on the State Lodge.
Also how about the rubber stamp vote to put Sid Davis back upstairs for the last month? Come on FOP board, it tightens Citywide power even more and allows for more serpentine actions.
Then there is this...Police officer sues over transfer from department’s news media office
BY SAM CHARLES Staff Reporter February 19, 2014 12:02AM
http://www.suntimes.com/25686117-761/police-officer-sues-over-transfer-from-departments-news-media-office.html
2/19/2014 12:36:00 AM
Gee who was the commanding officer of news affairs then... I will give you 3 guesses. Where is she now? Not dumped to a south side district where she belongs. Not a chance.
Then there is this...Police officer sues over transfer from department’s news media office
BY SAM CHARLES Staff Reporter February 19, 2014 12:02AM
http://www.suntimes.com/25686117-761/police-officer-sues-over-transfer-from-departments-news-media-office.html
Laura Kubiak was lucky to keep her job after being caught shoplifting at River Oaks Shopping center. How people end up in News Affairs always surprises me. She must have been a distinguished writer worthy of a Pulitzer prize. Do some work in your busy district thief.
In 1984 or 85 Lt C Hamilton was told by his commander to spring Park District Boss Ed Kelly's son on a gun charge. Release w/o charging the Lt was told. The Lt told Lefty to come to the station and sign off on the arrest slip, he could release the kid himself since he was commander.
That got the Lt dumped to the far south side but only until it hit the newspapers. Then the Lt was back, to stay forever a Lt in 024.
Say what you want about Lt Hamilton, he wouldn't carry the machine's water and take care of their kids. He was a Lt for life from then on.
I don't even know if Lt DW even got a phone call this time. No guts however. Not just a gun charge, a dead guy. He pimps for the Daley's with a dead guy involved.
Shameful. Where is the US Attorney? Oh I forgot, Sen Durbin told him to concentrate on gang violence, not politician's family.
I have known Dennis since he was a P.O. in 015 and he was always a good cop and he always took care of his people as a boss! However, here he protected an ungrateful Crime Family. And just as a cop who protected say the Gangster Disciples; well that copper has made a choice, a bad choice and he should pay. I guess nobody expected big tough RJ to pussy out at the last second!
Whatever. You don't get to be the editor of Suntimes with out The Machine's approval. This clout v. clout. Some how They need to blame some Blue Shirt
i know and worked for both walshes and they are heavy and if you were not irish you werent anything, but they were pro police and never hurt a cop
Another example of how cream rises to the top. Or is that scum?
This is all nonsense. How many times have coppers turned their head, omitted bits and pieces, or didn't see anything to protect another copper. This is no different and I'm tired of all the whining. Right he was politically connected and we're not. Get over it. Oh that's right when we do it for coppers it's different.
Well, when you get clouted up you can't complain if you got to take it dry once in awhile. Don't like it don't play the clout game. No sympathy.
from Fantasy Island, also known as the CPD:....
prosecutor: we are looking for the files on the Koschman case.....
tattoo (DW): the files!, the files! I found them!......
The order came from Cline to all the way down to Walsh. And who gets screwed the last guy in the chain. And then low and behold little Cline gets merit LT. Wow
Why would anyone ever keep it? Burn the evidence. Dumb fuck!
The hits just keep coming. Looks like News Affairs is having trouble too. http://www.suntimes.com/25686117-761/police-officer-sues-over-transfer-from-departments-news-media-office.html
Well said SCC!
Anonymous said...
If you needed help, you would want Denis Walsh on your side. It's amazing to me how coppers turn on each other.
2/19/2014 12:48:00 AM
Denis is certainly known for his deference toward other police officers; however, that special consideration has also extended to police officers who have committed criminal offenses and he personally directed detectives not to charge the officer despite overwhelming evidence of a crime. His enthusiasm for police officers that you cite is not being questioned. The issue at hand is whether or not he was part of a conspiracy to undermine a homicide investigation, and you don't need to be a super sleuth at #630 to read between the lines of Webb's investigation and believe that he was.
and there's our accused detective or supervisor at 1:00 again:
"Consider the fact that one party's friends/witnesses could not pick the offender out of a lineup."
After how many day's delays, and after those in the lineup were not made just similar to Vanecko, but made Vanecko exactly contra-indicative to his relative description provided by the witnesses.
"Consider the fact that the case was presented to the state's attorney's office and charges were rejected, by the supervisor of that unit."
Consider that the detective testified in front of the grand jury under grant that he flubbed the investigation so as to leave it ASAP in the lap of the state's attorney to reject.
"And why haven't those who lied knowingly, and with the intent to obstruct, been prosecuted or even considered to be prosecuted?"
Good question. I'm thinking I might put together a list of everybody involved who have been shown to lie, or who testified only under compulsion/grant.
No idea how anybody gets to keep a badge and gun if they won't cooperate with a grand jury, but in Chicago its a tradition that started with Cline, or perhaps before.
gonna be bad when feds come down on this,better not misplace that charge sheet when you go to the grand jury in the dirksen building....
(OT) what happened to guys running for fop posts? The citywide team many are there, clean slate on their Facebook page said they would be there where is the top vp candidate? Guess he could not make it! Hey dean where are your people? Guess you guys want the 6 figure jobs but don't care enough about the pensions!
True SCC. But many of the coppers are retired, but still could be libel federally, different standards, official misconduct, they did what they were ordered to do, as many of us would! Hope the boys and girls on know realize, that if they tell you to do something that might be bogus, have them put it on paper. They want someone arrested ok, they hit box 1! They are still the police correct? Lol!
Anonymous said...
If you needed help, you would want Denis Walsh on your side. It's amazing to me how coppers turn on each other.
2/19/2014 12:48:00 AM
You obviously don't work in Area North SVU or Property Crimes!
he was bad news from day one as a recruit.
Then there is this...Police officer sues over transfer from department’s news media office
BY SAM CHARLES Staff Reporter February 19, 2014 12:02AM
http://www.suntimes.com/25686117-761/police-officer-sues-over-transfer-from-departments-news-media-office.html
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13 years in News Affairs
And is then assigned to "a police district in a dangerous neighborhood on mid nights"
Boo F ing Hoo
Grow up and be the police!
(And I am a female officer)
Tell me scc and all the other well seasoned investigators...how could this investigation have been better handled by police?
Consider the fact that one party's friends/witnesses could not pick the offender out of a lineup.
Consider the fact that the other party's friends/witnesses lied to police then only came in for questioning with their own attorneys when they decided too. Even then it is doubtful they told the truth.
Consider the fact that the case was presented to the state's attorney's office and charges were rejected, by the supervisor of that unit.
Consider also the fact that the poor victim never had the opportunity to have his say.
Among other things...how or what more would all of you done?
Just some questions?
And why haven't those who lied knowingly, and with the intent to obstruct, been prosecuted or even considered to be prosecuted?
And it was the Police's fault...tell me how please.
Thank you
VERY WELL SAID. An old saying, if you weren't there then you don't know.
The news papers in this city are rags always have been.
As i recall Daley was the enemy so anyone aiding the enemy is a true piece of shit.
As a non-cop, it is interesting to read the reactions of posters. While Lt. Walsh has gotten support, you'd think that being charged with felony sexual assault and pleading out would have gotten him terminated. I mean, I'd get canned in the private sector for that, not promoted later. And this being Chicago, we just sort of infer that something happened and calls were made in order to get him freed in Michigan with a "favor owed."
I'm not a cop, so I have to ask - how often do files go wandering off?
I know a lot of us go that this is SOP considering Daley, merit hires, etc etc - but at some point policing your own - including getting rid of deadbeats, etc - has got to happen in order to help the public get on your side for issues.
SCC LT walsh"s sister in-law was on mayor daleys detail.
thats the smoking gun
Ironic that the background investigation by the authors stopped before getting to the listed Chief of Dets. who went on the become BOTH the czar of Streets and the czar of CDOT
He is a criminal Co-conspritor no doubt
Dennis Walsh is a good guy! I would stand up for him anytime! The people on this site that talk shit about him either don't know him or are dog asses. He was there for me when I was in a shooting. He called me several times after the fact just to make sure I was o.k. I am not a connected guy at all, he took care of me just because I was a police officer. We need guys like this because he know what your going through.
Anonymous said...
So...How deep are the problems with the "D" right now? Is it as broken as Patrol is from the N.Y. infection?
2/19/2014 01:34:00 AM
Somehow you turned this into a problem caused by McCarthy. This issue started and was worked long before any NY influence. The detective units have been used by the political class as a patronage plum for many years and suffers from poor supervision, poor record management and poor investigations. As a matter of fact, it would be good for a former chief of detectives to come to this town and make some changes. Way too many good Chicago detectives here and they should not take the heat for what Daley has influenced.
And it was the Police's fault...tell me how please.
Thank you
2/19/2014 01:00:00 AM
Give it up will you? Your attitude is part of the problem.
Anonymous said...
Then there is this...Police officer sues over transfer from department’s news media office
BY SAM CHARLES Staff Reporter February 19, 2014 12:02AM
http://www.suntimes.com/25686117-761/police-officer-sues-over-transfer-from-departments-news-media-office.html
2/19/2014 12:36:00 AM
so she was transferred to a more "dangerous job", you mean being a patrol officer, is that beneath you Kubiak?
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of course. it's the police dept's job to ram the political corruption down the taxpayers throat -- stfu and pay your protection money [a.k.a taxes] --should ppl try to air their grievances, right.
guilt by association.
it's past time that cpd start policing itself while the rank and file may be able to regain at least some respect and trust.
the alternative may just be the political apparatus takes y'all down with them.
take a look at what's coming.
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Who cares someone is the scapegoat? Who cares that the CPD once again is shown to be run by idiots with clout? Who cares about perceived corruption within the CPD?
Well what some of my fellow CPD officers seem to be missing here is that everyone from CPD who was mentioned in that article is a clout ridden incompetent who sold their souls and their fellow CPD brothers and sisters out. You want to defend DW and the rest go ahead. But I am sick and tired of watching this shit for 30 years. Tired of seeing good coppers with no clout treated like shit and jammed up and sometimes fired for nonsense while some clout ridden assholes do whatever they want and not only suffer no consequences but get rewarded with promotions and good jobs. Now these guys will retire with full benefits including retirement Id's and stars and find some other clout only job so they can supplement that pension and double dip while all you idiots who defend them work some bank guard job like the chumps you are.
This job and this city suck and reading some of these comments it appears that many of my fellow CPD officers suck also.
Testified under immunity. Says it all.
I went to the pension rally in Springfield today with about 50 brother and sister officers. No Dean Angelo Sr. I guess he won't fight for us until he is on the FOP payroll.
Not that it matters, but Walsh is not a merit selection. He's an extremely intelligent guy and knows the job as well as anybody I've met on the department. For the police officers that are slamming him, you should know better than to believe everything you read in the paper. Walsh bringing the file home is an absolute non-story. It is not even close to a violation of department policy. Novak and Fusco have it in for him and they are trying their damnedest to get him launched. If they are successful, it will be a shame.
He's an arrogant Dick who acted like he owned the joint from Day 1 in the Academy. Bosses kids make me sick.
Ironic that the background investigation by the authors stopped before getting to the listed Chief of Dets. who went on the become BOTH the czar of Streets and the czar of CDOT.
Hey, dumbass. Different Tom Byrne.
Moron. Go play with your GI Joe.
Not that it matters, but Walsh is not a merit selection. He's an extremely intelligent guy and knows the job as well as anybody I've met on the department. For the police officers that are slamming him, you should know better than to believe everything you read in the paper. Walsh bringing the file home is an absolute non-story. It is not even close to a violation of department policy. Novak and Fusco have it in for him and they are trying their damnedest to get him launched. If they are successful, it will be a shame.
Good post. these same newspapers would screw with ay one of us atthe drop of a hat for a headline. I've been on numerous capers that I read about in the paper and wondered, how di they get this so wrong? Pack o' whores. And Walsh & Andrews passed all of their tests on the way up.
Fire the Clouted LT And Take Away his Pension
Not that it matters, but Walsh is not a merit selection. He's an extremely intelligent guy and knows the job as well as anybody I've met on the department.
-But, He broke the LAW. The LAW Matters
Ironic that the background investigation by the authors stopped before getting to the listed Chief of Dets. who went on the become BOTH the czar of Streets and the czar of CDOT
2/19/2014 02:10:00 PM
Completely different Tom Byrne. Inform yourself.
As a non-cop, it is interesting to read the reactions of posters. While Lt. Walsh has gotten support, you'd think that being charged with felony sexual assault and pleading out would have gotten him terminated. I mean, I'd get canned in the private sector for that, not promoted later. And this being Chicago, we just sort of infer that something happened and calls were made in order to get him freed in Michigan with a "favor owed."
2/19/2014 01:33:00 PM
He was already a lieutenant at the time of the incident in Michigan. He has not been promoted since that happened and they can not demote him. Lieutenant is what is known as a "career service rank" on the Chicago police department. Once you attain that rank, the department can never demote you below that rank.
Anonymous said...
I went to the pension rally in Springfield today with about 50 brother and sister officers. No Dean Angelo Sr. I guess he won't fight for us until he is on the FOP payroll.
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I dislike Dean Angelo. I dislike his son. But I will not fault Dean Angelo for not going on the bus on this junket. Dean has other baggage but this is not it. Nice try though. I will be voting Independent Candidates because of CityWide failures including the election lies by Dorety at last nights FOP meeting. The Chairman of the Election Committee called out Dorety's assertion about the election going smoothly. The Chairman of the Election Committee said the Judge was Fired and the second Judge never took charge so thus no Judge. Election Chairman said the election was now "UNFAIR".
Why is a retired Sgt, Mike Voight, allowed to run for FOP trustee? The by-laws clearly state that elected office may be held by members below the rank os Sgt. He is running on the Shitty Wide ticket. The rules apply , only when Billy says that they do!
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Let’s can all the righteous indignation. Politics, nepotism, cronyism, and clout have been around since animal skin wearing, spear-toting tribes roamed the earth. Oog wanted a bigger piece of mastodon so he sucked up to Moog. In every city, state, and country, public and private sector, it has been this way. It always will be and nothing will ever change. No one will “learn a lesson” from this and there will always be another one to take the place of whomever takes the bullet for the boss. We all know this. Let me repeat that: we all know this. And you should have known it when you entered the grown-up world of employment. If you don’t want to be one of the connected and be able to look yourself in the mirror that’s great, but don’t think any amount of bitching or even prison time for some low level schmuck will change the system. Ever.
-But, He broke the LAW. The LAW Matters
2/19/2014 05:28:00 PM
"There is nothing close to proof beyond a reasonable doubt that would support charges against (Denis) Walsh."
That is an exact quote from the Webb report. So what law did Walsh break exactly? A 169 page report following a year-long investigation with an endless budget and Webb said that he had absolutely nothing on Walsh. So again, what law did he break? Know what your talking about before you make accusations.
I dislike Dean Angelo. I dislike his son. But I will not fault Dean Angelo for not going on the bus on this junket. Dean has other baggage but this is not it. Nice try though. I will be voting Independent Candidates because of CityWide failures including the election lies by Dorety at last nights FOP meeting. The Chairman of the Election Committee called out Dorety's assertion about the election going smoothly. The Chairman of the Election Committee said the Judge was Fired and the second Judge never took charge so thus no Judge. Election Chairman said the election was now "UNFAIR".
2/19/2014 05:42:00 PM
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He didn't have to go on the bus. He could have driven himself.
If he really wanted the FOP president job, this should have been a prority stop for him.
"Consider that the detective testified in front of the grand jury under grant that he flubbed the investigation"
Please cite the exact page from Webb's report that states this. I can't find it anywhere.
I did find this though. From page 49 of Webb’s report:
“All six of the participants in the first lineup were white males of similar height, weight,
and age. Vanecko chose to stand in position number two. Vanecko’s lawyer, Terence Gillespie, was also present. Detectives were unable to interview Vanecko prior to his
participation in the lineup, which is not uncommon, especially for suspects represented by counsel.”
I knew of these guys (G and D) from the neighborhood that we grew up in. Everyone knew that D's dad was a high ranking cop back in the 70s and 80s. I doubt G & D knew each other growing up, since G is a bit younger than D, but people from the same neighborhood, and political alliances, tend to look out for each other. No surprise. Ah hell, I've had a bit to drink tonight, it's been a long day. Stay safe.
Sorry, way off topic."Mommy, why would Mayor RAHM Emanuel want to STEAL your pension when you have been helping the children and poor people of CHICAGO for 30 years,we know he has made MILLIONS, why would he try to STEAL money from the teachers, fireman, and police officers, and what percentage of his MILLIONS, has he given back to the CHILDREN, of the city of CHICAGO.
Not defending Walsh's handling of any of this mess, but does the Sun Times know that Constantine 'Dean' Andrews issued an edict removing file cabinets from area five and later, area 3, because he thinks they make the office look too messy?
People took to keeping files in their lockers, their personal car trunks, and - yeah - probably at home, once that happened.
2/19/2014 01:03:00 AM
This can't be true but too silly if it is
At last nights union meeting we found out Aguilar has been brought up on charges for using FOP email addresses for sending political messages for the citywide team. The question was why isn't Aguilar suspended like Shields? Dougherty basically said because he hasn't had his day in court. What about Shields? Dougherty must now pick a panel to hear Aguilars case. I don't think we the members can get a fair shake here. Dougherty is more corrupt than Shields.
Doughertys experience lost our retro pay. Doughertys experience got us an unfair election. What exactly does Doughertys experience get us? Nothing so don't vote for citywide.
" If you don’t want to be one of the connected and be able to look yourself in the mirror that’s great, but don’t think any amount of bitching or even prison time for some low level schmuck will change the system. Ever."
Tell that to the Ukrainians.
Well, he is, or was, a Commanding Officer, and is supposed to lead by example and handle things "By the Book", not steal the Book. And where was the useless States Attorney herself, who could have been consulted on every aspect of the entire case ? Just what did she know, or not know ? Clout covering for Clout = even more Corruption.
Don't get me wrong, I despise the Tiny Dancer. But to suggest that Rahm "LETS" the Scum-Times beat up on the police is just silly. The media has been beating up on the police since time immemorial.
Does it matter that Walsh was not assigned to either the first investigation or the Andrews-Cirone fabricated second investigation?
What's amazing about these posts are the damning comments by people who haven't a single clue about any of details relating to this case.
I'll give, the many of you, a tip.
The many media "investigators" were very pissed because of FOIA stalling by the CPD, and the vague and almost obscured responses that they received.
That's all this is.
Everything that the journalists wrote about the cops was supposition, opinion, and hyperbolic. Of which, most of you took the bait.
The truth is that the investigation was delayed by the uncooperative attorneys in the case; Locke Bowman and Terry Gillespie et al. Here we had both legal teams sparring, through litigation strategies, to stall answers to the cops-- who had to seek the answers.
Lastly we had the cops who CAN'T answer a public question UNTIL an investigation is completed.
The media tried to circumvent the investigation through the FOIA, and was given almost nothing.
So who got held holding the ball? The lowly "incompetent" cops.
All of this is a complete shame on the Chicago media, for being angry and vindictive against the guys who had to swallow a shit sandwich for the lawyers, the former mayor and the Chicago press corps.
The cops were covering their asses against a very powerful machine, and the attorneys played the media like well greased typewriter.
That is all.
"Does it matter that Walsh was not assigned to either the first investigation or the Andrews-Cirone fabricated second investigation?"
No, their supervisors. They can go in and out of any investigation.
With that said, please continue with your conspiracy theories.
Not that it matters, but Walsh is not a merit selection. He's an extremely intelligent guy and knows the job as well as anybody I've met on the department. For the police officers that are slamming him, you should know better than to believe everything you read in the paper. Walsh bringing the file home is an absolute non-story. It is not even close to a violation of department policy. Novak and Fusco have it in for him and they are trying their damnedest to get him launched. If they are successful, it will be a shame.
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In the early 90s the second portion of the detective test was an oral interview given by 3 police sergeants in each room. The test was given by personnel, which was all cops back then, so this was an easy test to score on top -because everyone knew someone.
Townsend redlined specific names of officers that were going for that oral interview and that list was given to personnel the morning of the test. Every name redlined was promoted to detective in the first wave.
Walsh and Kirby were two of those names. That was their first free bump of numerous promotions.
Did you ever notice how the same cops only have to take each rank promotion exam once, and they always get promoted in the first class off the list? There are many creative ways to get the top scores on CPD promotional exams.
The NY thing or Fed Thing is just to create a temporary smokescreen so the real assholes can go unscathed. Learn it, Know it, Live it.
Anonymous said...
Ironic that the background investigation by the authors stopped before getting to the listed Chief of Dets. who went on the become BOTH the czar of Streets and the czar of CDOT
2/19/2014 02:10:00 PM
Completely different Tom Byrne. Inform yourself.
2/19/2014 05:33:00 PM
Different? A likely story, Isn't Tom Byrne also the son of former Mayor Jane Byrne? And brother of actor Gabriel Byrne and rocker David Byrne, the guy from Talking Heads? Yeah, completely different eh. Hiding something and covering up again, the FOP is behind this, I am certain.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not defending Walsh's handling of any of this mess, but does the Sun Times know that Constantine 'Dean' Andrews issued an edict removing file cabinets from area five and later, area 3, because he thinks they make the office look too messy?
People took to keeping files in their lockers, their personal car trunks, and - yeah - probably at home, once that happened.
2/19/2014 01:03:00 AM
This can't be true but too silly if it is
2/19/2014 09:41:00 PM
Uh, it's true.
"did find this though. From page 49 of Webb’s report:"
Webb wrote a lot of OPINIONS, arm chaired a lot of his OPINIONS, but in the end he found NOTHING wrong done buy ANY of the cops.
What does this tell you?
Get it yet?
If Chicagoland had a real U.S. Attorney, he would call every single peron involved in this investigation in to testify in front of a Federal Grand Jury. The ball IS in the U.S. Attorneys Court now, weather he likes it or not. Now it's time to see if the U.S.Attorney is just another part of the problem, or a part of the Solution. Daley's at the top of the pyramid, and the lowly patrolman who took the original report at the bottom. All that's left is to find on what really happened in between. It can be done, the question is, Will it be Done ?
I've worked for Walsh for a long time.
He's an officer of the Chicago Police Department who should be recognized for his competence, integrity, and his unrelenting diligence of service to the real Chicago citizens.
Tim Novak does not know Denis Walsh, Carol Marin does not know Denis Walsh, Dan Webb doesn't know Denis Walsh.
I do, and I know that Denis was protecting his own cops from the political, legal, and media outfall from this case.
God bless the salt of the earth people like him.
God bless Denis for protecting his own people from the political sycophants, the lawyers, and their minions who spin this shit.
Denis, the media has been spun so well by the last administration, that the police are now the criminals, and the real criminals are now the victims.
Keep your chin up Sir.
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy ---Gaaag!
If you needed help, you would want Denis Walsh on your side. It's amazing to me how coppers turn on each other.
NOT! Sure he'd probably be on your side but I'd rather have someone who was smart on my side. I've worked with denis and been in round tables with him. He's an arrogant moron and most people see right through his act. I'd really rather not have someone like him being my front man for fear I'd get screwed if they thought I was anything like him. I know John Farrell .... He's no Farrell!
Would anyone out there care to tell us what you would have done (step by step) to charge this case and getting it to trial.
OT: on that anti-pension PBS series - it was initially funded by an anti-public pension former Enron trader.
http://pando.com/2014/02/12/the-wolf-of-sesame-street-revealing-the-secret-corruption-inside-pbss-news-division/
2/19/2014 04:59:00 AM
You're TH third person to mention this. I checked the story out and was amazed. This hedge fund guy has a lot of balls. This is the major movement behind our pensions.
No idea how anybody gets to keep a badge and gun if they won't cooperate with a grand jury, but in Chicago its a tradition that started with Cline, or perhaps before.
2/19/2014 11:40:00 AM
So when exactly did this country do away with the Constitution? It is amazing a copper can be so stupid about the laws he is supposed to enforce when a grammar school kid knows better than this. Absolutely embarrassing for the rest of us.
Maybe part of the reason the public dislikes us more than ever is idiots like the above poster. As usual, we are our own worst enemy.
The issue at hand is whether or not he was part of a conspiracy to undermine a homicide investigation, and you don't need to be a super sleuth at #630 to read between the lines of Webb's investigation and believe that he was.
2/19/2014 11:28:00 AM
So Webb's report is now Gospel? You don't need to be a super sleuth to figure out it's a crappy report that contradicts itself and has no factual clarity whatsoever. But thanks for your great intellectual insight.
Fire the Clouted LT And Take Away his Pension
If a PO he'd be gone
Next time I get a good case report I will not file it and take it home to sit on it
the more the det. div. ends up with less Lt. DW's, the less shit gets done and the higher the likelihood that the next dick who replaces him won't have your back when you need good paper.
F this dept. and F you if you don't get that. Stay in your car.
Anonymous said...
Ironic that the background investigation by the authors stopped before getting to the listed Chief of Dets. who went on the become BOTH the czar of Streets and the czar of CDOT.
Hey, dumbass. Different Tom Byrne.
Moron. Go play with your GI Joe.
2/19/2014 04:56:00 PM
Hey, next you will probably tell me there were two Mayor Daley's and two President Bush's.
Anonymous said...
Fire the Clouted LT And Take Away his Pension
If a PO he'd be gone
Next time I get a good case report I will not file it and take it home to sit on it
2/20/2014 02:47:00 AM
Imagine dw getting charged/indicted and doing more time than Vanecko. It ain't right.
If it were me, I would have mailed the files to shortshanks while calling the FBI at the same time and telling them shortshanks demanded the files back in the day, go look. Let mumbles explain the files sitting at his residence.
"Um uh, uh I know nothing, I was scrootening my mail and there they were in the hall one day. Really"
A good opportunity to have a lot of fun at mumbles expense, wasted.
"Webb wrote a lot of OPINIONS, arm chaired a lot of his OPINIONS, but in the end he found NOTHING wrong done buy ANY of the cops.
What does this tell you?"
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It tells me Webb based his "opinions" on hundreds of interviews, many taken under oath, and hundreds of pages of reports and records.
You seem want to disregard his report and base your opinions on media reports and drunken bar talk.
It isn't the best report but do you really think a former US Attorney (who was appointed by a Republican president) intentionally tanked it to protect coppers or Daley himself? When he could of grabbed all kinds of publicity for himself and his firm? Keep dreaming, and have another round.
"No idea how anybody gets to keep a badge and gun if they won't cooperate with a grand jury, but in Chicago its a tradition that started with Cline, or perhaps before."
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The framers of the Constitution included the 5th Amendment to protect the INNOCENT, not the guilty. Asshat.
Here's the bottom line of this whole story. See if you can think about it for just a minute.
The many media "investigators" were very pissed because of FOIA stalling by the CPD, and the vague and almost obscured responses that they received.
That's all this is.
Everything that the journalists wrote about the cops was supposition, opinion, and hyperbolic. Of which, most of you took the bait.
The truth is that the investigation was delayed by the uncooperative attorneys in the case; Locke Bowman and Terry Gillespie et al. Here we had both legal teams sparring, through litigation strategies, to stall answers to the cops-- who had to seek the answers.
Lastly we had the cops who CAN'T answer a public question UNTIL an investigation is completed.
The media tried to circumvent the investigation through the FOIA, and was given almost nothing.
So who got held holding the ball? The lowly "incompetent" cops.
All of this is a complete shame on the Chicago media, for being angry and vindictive against the guys who had to swallow a shit sandwich for the lawyers, the former mayor and the Chicago press corps.
The cops were covering their asses against a very powerful machine, and the attorneys played the media like a well greased typewriter.
That is all.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Don't get me wrong, I despise the Tiny Dancer. But to suggest that Rahm "LETS" the Scum-Times beat up on the police is just silly. The media has been beating up on the police since time immemorial.
2/19/2014 10:22:00 PM
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Scum-Times writers are media whores and Rahm and Little Richie are their pimps. Look how every four years a we start contract negotiations the same anti-police stories get planted.
"So when exactly did this country do away with the Constitution? It is amazing a copper can be so stupid about the laws he is supposed to enforce when a grammar school kid knows better than this. Absolutely embarrassing for the rest of us.
Maybe part of the reason the public dislikes us more than ever is idiots like the above poster. As usual, we are our own worst enemy.
2/20/2014 01:12:00 AM"
This is so sad. Constitutionally you can plead the fifth and not be sentenced to jail unless you maintain silence even after you are granted immunity. This has NOTHING to do with the ability to keep your job. You know, your job which requires you to enforce laws. People like you are too stupid to have a badge. If you don't understand the Constitution, you can't understand the oath you took. Moron.
And the reason the public hates is because of corrupt assholes who don't take their oath seriously.
n 1984 or 85 Lt C Hamilton was told by his commander to spring Park District Boss Ed Kelly's son on a gun charge. Release w/o charging the Lt was told. The Lt told Lefty to come to the station and sign off on the arrest slip, he could release the kid himself since he was commander.
That got the Lt dumped to the far south side but only until it hit the newspapers. Then the Lt was back, to stay forever a Lt in 024.
Nice story Mr. Historian, you stupid fuck, Lefy Chekonis was not the Commander of 024, Dennis Walsh's dad Jack Walsh was the Commander of 024. Lt. Hambone stayed in 024 Walsh got dumped Get it right stupid.....
Anonymous said...
Ironic that the background investigation by the authors stopped before getting to the listed Chief of Dets. who went on the become BOTH the czar of Streets and the czar of CDOT
2/19/2014 02:10:00 PM
Hey look SCC another historian, just as fucking stupid as the other. Chief of Dets.Thomas Byrne was the Commander of Area 3 detective Division he just left in the past year. The Czar of Streets and Sans & CDOT commonly called Little Tommie Byrne was Ald O'Connors suckhole, C/O of School patrol, Commander of 024, The Deputy of the specially created position just for him Central Control Group which included 001 & 018.......
But dont let detais or facts bother you moron
"I did find this though. From page 49 of Webb’s report:
“All six of the participants in the first lineup were white males of similar height, weight,
and age. Vanecko chose to stand in position number two. Vanecko’s lawyer, Terence Gillespie, was also present. Detectives were unable to interview Vanecko prior to his participation in the lineup, which is not uncommon, especially for suspects represented by counsel.”
Yup, is says that. You noted that footnote 312 attributes this information to the CPD Supp. Case Report 3222167 approved 6 months later in 2004, right? This is not an independent finding of Webb. Its an acknowledgement of the original descriptions from the Supp. Case Reports. In other words, the dicks wrote what they were supposed to write when they described the line-up.
Not sure why it took 6 months to approve the case report describing the line-up. And the report questions why it took almost a full month to have the line-ups.
Please also fully read the full paragraph bridging pages 54 and 55 of the report if you have any questions. Here, Yawger testified "I just wanted -- it's not a good thing to say, but I just wanted to kick the can down the road. I mean, why would we [CPD] make this decision. I wanted out of this case. I wanted to get it over with. I figured just charge the guy and to to preliminary hearing, and it would have been thrown out... And then we're done with it, it's on somebody else's hands, which is not the right thing to do."
Now again, are you sure you read the report? This is Yawger testifying under grant to a Grand Jury. Can somebody defend this?
The ball IS in the U.S. Attorneys Court now, weather he likes it or not. Now it's time to see if the U.S.Attorney is just another part of the problem, or a part of the Solution.
2/19/2014 11:56:00 PM
So if the US Attorney doesn't see it your way, then they are part of the problem? Do you realize how stupid you sound? And by the way it's "whether" not "weather".
Denis Walsh was and always will be a POS political hack. He took care of cops? Bullshit. He would screw over any cop to protect his ass whenever he did something wrong and he did many things wrong. He should have been fired and stripped of his pension years ago. This corrupt department just keeps promoting the bad, clouted assholes until they retire with full pension. Another black eye. I'm sure Walsh is laughing as he still collects his salary and future pension.
Anonymous said...
"Webb wrote a lot of OPINIONS, arm chaired a lot of his OPINIONS, but in the end he found NOTHING wrong done buy ANY of the cops.
What does this tell you?"
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Not true. Just because he didn't call for charges against any of the police who obstructed that investigation does not mean no police did anything wrong.
No charges does not mean innocent as the driven snow. There was plenty of wrongdoing done by the police. I am glad it wasn't my son that is in his grave. I wouldn't be as forgiving as that kid's mother.
"Please also fully read the full paragraph bridging pages 54 and 55 of the report if you have any questions. Here, Yawger testified "I just wanted -- it's not a good thing to say, but I just wanted to kick the can down the road. I mean, why would we [CPD] make this decision. I wanted out of this case. I wanted to get it over with. I figured just charge the guy and to to preliminary hearing, and it would have been thrown out... And then we're done with it, it's on somebody else's hands, which is not the right thing to do."
Now again, are you sure you read the report? This is Yawger testifying under grant to a Grand Jury. Can somebody defend this? "
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Yeah, I will. You interpret his statement to mean that he did an incomplete investigation? He doesn't say that. Re-read it and try to comprehend that Yawger is saying he did not want to be the one to explain that there was no evidence. Never does he say anywhere that he "flubbed" or otherwise intentionally conducted an incomplete or otherwise "bad" investigation.
I guess you just want to believe what you want to believe, not what the evidence (laid out by a former US Attorney) said.
And as far as the line-up, what else does Webb have to go on? Do you have some information contrary to the evidence submitted? Do you know what happened at the line-up? Have you seen the line-up photos to support your contention it was rigged? I didn't think so. More drunken hopes and wishes.
This is so sad. Constitutionally you can plead the fifth and not be sentenced to jail unless you maintain silence even after you are granted immunity. This has NOTHING to do with the ability to keep your job. You know, your job which requires you to enforce laws. People like you are too stupid to have a badge. If you don't understand the Constitution, you can't understand the oath you took. Moron.
And the reason the public hates is because of corrupt assholes who don't take their oath seriously.
2/20/2014 12:10:00 PM
You don't relinquish your constitutional rights when you get on the job nor do you get disciplined for maintaining your rights. Kind of like the Garrity decision. Ever hear of that? That was the point I took from it.
Anonymous said...
n 1984 or 85 Lt C Hamilton was told by his commander to spring Park District Boss Ed Kelly's son on a gun charge. Release w/o charging the Lt was told. The Lt told Lefty to come to the station and sign off on the arrest slip, he could release the kid himself since he was commander.
That got the Lt dumped to the far south side but only until it hit the newspapers. Then the Lt was back, to stay forever a Lt in 024.
Nice story Mr. Historian, you stupid fuck, Lefy Chekonis was not the Commander of 024, Dennis Walsh's dad Jack Walsh was the Commander of 024. Lt. Hambone stayed in 024 Walsh got dumped Get it right stupid.....
2/20/2014 01:14:00 PM
I was there through Chekonis and Quinn, yes Chekonis was the commander. Hamilton got launched but only for a short time, he was back real quick. Sure, Walsh may have gotten dumped, all the way from commander of 024 to Deputy Chief of Area 3. Quite a dumping.
But I swear I recall that commander was Lefty, maybe my memory isn't what it was. There is a board member who is the historian of that district, he will know for sure. As for Jack being Dennis Walsh's father, I thought Jack was father to Mike Walsh. I just don't know for sure if they are brothers.
As for "Get it right stupid....." well, go fuck your mother asshole.
"...Not true. Just because he didn't call for charges against any of the police who obstructed that investigation does not mean no police did anything wrong."
Sorry, it's true. What Webb, and I'll add the Chicago media, didn't focus on at all were the attorneys, for both sides, who fully stalled this investigation, and allowed for their client's to cooperate at the bare minimum.
Please explain to the world how a cop can investigate, any crime, if the lawyers are barring full cooperation.
When this story first broke, myself and other attorneys discussed the what possible angle RJ's attorney would use. It was unanimously decided that we would put it all on a botched police investigation, marred by cover- ups and an illumination of any single mistake made by them. The general stuff that a jury would read in todays papers.
The shame of this is that the cops were stuck in a really shitty situation, and not one of them walked away without their names or reputations smeared throughout the press; and yet they didn't punch or kill anyone.
They certainly didn't back Vanecko.
Jack Walsh, the father of Dennis Walsh, was the commander of 024, when Ed Kelly's' son was arrested. It happened on a Sunday, and Walsh came into 024, and ordered Hamilton to release Kelly without chages. Hamilton refused and was dumped to 014. Hamilton then did an amazing thing; He walked into Mike Roykos' office, in full uniform, and told his story. After Royko wrote a couple of columns on the incident, Walsh was laterallec to 013 as commander, and Hamilton was returned to 024. Steve D, was the arresting officer.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The pension watchdog Dean Angelo was MIA at the Springfield pension rally.
2/19/2014 05:25:00 PM
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When the "We are One Group" picked 19 Feb 14 to protest Gov. Quinn was supposed to present his budget to the House. When Gov. Jell-O spine heard Labor was coming down he got the House to let him postpone the budget presentation till after the election. Quinn will win his primary election by 50%.
I took a BFD day to go protest in an empty building. Dougherty and his crew all took the day to go downstate on our dime knowing that their was no budget address.
Thanks Billy Dougherty for a another stunt yesterday. Why not postpone and go down on a day that the den of thieves were all down there? Thanks Dougherty first YOU screw me out of my retro now I lose another days' pay thanks to your election bullshit.
Daugherty knew a week before the bus trip, that the budget session had been canceled, thus, the low turnout. Nothing but a two bit, political stunt by Billy, in a desperate attempt to win his election. You can stick a fork in Billy, he's done!
Not sure how it is that so many don't understand the constitution. The department can fire you for not pissing. There is no constitutional protection.
Employers all over the place have fired people for not cooperating with grand juries or courts.
Its not complicated. Fucking democrats here don't understand anything.
--The framers of the Constitution included the 5th Amendment to protect the INNOCENT, not the guilty. Asshat.--
Awesome. Another armchair lawyer who thinks he's constitutionally entitled to a job. Only in Chicago. So many on the job should be cleaning gutters instead.
I was in 024 at the time. It was not Lefty Chakonas. It was Jack Walsh.
How come Vaneko isn't doing his time in Cook County?
And in order to stimulate a bit more conversation, the following were extracted from www.findlaw.com:
A claimant may recover for a denial of procedural due process upon a showing that the defendant intentionally denied that process to which the claimant was constitutionally due.
A claimant may recover for a substantive due process violation upon proof that the defendant acted recklessly or with callous indifference to the claimant's rights. Recovery, however, will only be permitted for a truly horrendous abuse of governmental power. Mere negligence, gross negligence or bad faith will not be sufficient.
- See more at: http://corporate.findlaw.com/litigation-disputes/police-misconduct-and-civil-rights-law.html#sthash.b2xh2KaB.dpuf
(I wish I could have highlighted the words "intentionally" and "proof" as well as "Mere negligence, gross negligence or bad faith will not be sufficient")
And as if that isn't enough to raise a few hackles:
Statute of Limitations -
Federal courts adjudicating civil rights claims under 42 U.S.C. §1983 must borrow the state statute of limitations applicable to personal injury actions under the law of the forum state. Thus, in Illinois, most Section 1983 actions must be brought within two years from the date the cause of action accrued.
- See more at: http://corporate.findlaw.com/litigation-disputes/police-misconduct-and-civil-rights-law.html#sthash.b2xh2KaB.dpuf
Play stupid assed games, win stupid assed prizes...
Everybody involved with running interference in this investigation should be bent over so hard that the tops of their fucking heads hit the floor... Never you mind them getting their justifiably deserved ass-fucking.
--The framers of the Constitution included the 5th Amendment to protect the INNOCENT, not the guilty. Asshat.--
Awesome. Another armchair lawyer who thinks he's constitutionally entitled to a job. Only in Chicago. So many on the job should be cleaning gutters instead.
2/21/2014 11:16:00 AM
I couldn't agree more. Apparently the first poster doesn't realize that guilt or innocence is determined at the end of the process.
Anonymous said...
Jack Walsh, the father of Dennis Walsh, was the commander of 024, when Ed Kelly's' son was arrested. It happened on a Sunday, and Walsh came into 024, and ordered Hamilton to release Kelly without chages. Hamilton refused and was dumped to 014. Hamilton then did an amazing thing; He walked into Mike Roykos' office, in full uniform, and told his story. After Royko wrote a couple of columns on the incident, Walsh was laterallec to 013 as commander, and Hamilton was returned to 024. Steve D, was the arresting officer.
2/20/2014 11:17:00 PM
So the apple didn't fall to far from the tree.
"Apparently the first poster doesn't realize that guilt or innocence is determined at the end of the process."
This is the most moronic statement I've read in awhile. So, by your logic, a person should not use Constitutional protections until AFTER the process?
If a person who does not commit a crime (the state of being innocent) is accused of that crime or is being investigated for a crime he has the right to use the 5th Amendment to it's fullest. That is why it is there. High School civics lesson over, asshat.
--If a person who does not commit a crime (the state of being innocent) is accused of that crime or is being investigated for a crime he has the right to use the 5th Amendment to it's fullest. --
Its not so simple moron. It does not apply to private employers. They can fire people for refusing to answer questions, including to a grand jury (see Merrill Lynch firings a few years ago).
Government employees have some protection, and its partly based on Conlisk in the early 70s putting IAD on a bunch of guys who refused to testify about corruption to a grand jury. There the courts found that they couldn't be fired for refusing to talk to IAD. That's the Garrity background somebody was describing above.
However, and this is where a few people here are in way over there heads, Garrity does not allow a police officer to plead the 5th any time they are in front of a jury or judge. Think about that, and what it would mean if they could. Same with judges, ASAs, and probably government lawyers generally.
The protection is to prevent government compulsion by government as the employer. Think IAD. But there is NO ruling by any Federal court EVER that prevents a blanket rule that any officer be fired for refusing to voluntarily testify in court or to a grand jury.
Sorry for all the words, but some people in Cook County are so blinded by the incompetence and corruption that they apparently think nothing can be done about it. CPD could have a blanket rule, but it would mean assholes like Cline and all the clout bunnies in this case wouldn't have an out. So no blanket rule.
To 0831:
Not only do you have no knowledge of your subject, but you can't explain your lack of understanding.
10:30, that's so cute that you can't even explain whats right or wrong. Enjoy the chat with the Feds moron.
For the simple-minded who don't get the context of Garrity, see this: http://www.garrityrights.org/basics.html
The decision was a chief questioning officers. Same thing happened in Chicago with Conlisk's IAD questioning officers. That's your Garrity rights.
Why would a police officer have a right to never testify and still keep their job? That is so dumb.
"Government employees have some protection, and its partly based on Conlisk in the early 70s putting IAD on a bunch of guys who refused to testify about corruption to a grand jury. There the courts found that they couldn't be fired for refusing to talk to IAD. That's the Garrity background somebody was describing above."
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Right but think about this. A group of officers testified in front of a grand jury, by law a SECRET proceedings. Those inside those chambers are forbidden to reveal anything that goes on.
Then, somehow, the Supe of Police gets the info that a bunch of coppers plead the 5th. How did that happen? And how did it happen that he used that fact against them as proof of anything?
Anonymous said...
I was in 024 at the time. It was not Lefty Chakonas. It was Jack Walsh.
2/21/2014 11:42:00 AM
OK, I checked and you are all correct. Walsh not Lefty.
10:57 good question. It's Cook County and Chicago though, so we both know the answer. Weird that Conlisk would have been interested in pursuing a corruption investigation too. Still, the courts were right in Garrity and in the Conlisk case. If it's your chief or IAD threatening you it's selective. Courts don't like the idea of selectivity in enforcement. Chicago doesn't like the idea of uniform enforcement, as we've seen over and over with the police board. Voila, Chicago gets the Koschman clusterfuck to protect all of the clouted people involved. We seriously need a list.
I just pray that Dennis Walsh and the Daley waterboys get theres.
Let the FBI roll!
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