Sgts Sue - Is Chicago Broke?
Usually, when you sign a contract, certain things are promised and certain deadlines must be met. As anyone who has ever dealt with Chicago can attest, deadlines are mere suggestions that payment will take place at some unspecified point in the future. It looks like the PBPA that represents the Sergeants finally got fed up with Rahm's "promises" of retro payment:
- The union representing 1,088 Chicago Police sergeants asked a judge Wednesday to order Mayor Rahm Emanuel to pay $5 million in retroactive pay raises with 5 percent interest dating back to November — mandated by an arbitrator’s ruling ratified by the City Council.
City Hall insisted that the mayor’s 2014 budget includes $6.5 million for retro pay and that the delay stems from the painstaking process of calculating amounts owed to individual sergeants — not from a cash-flow crunch.
“Mayor Emanuel has asked that the process be expedited, and we anticipate issuing checks within the next two weeks, ” said Kelley Quinn, a spokesperson for the city’s Office of Budget and Management in an emailed response.
The sergeants association scoffed at that explanation and said the delay raises red flags.
“They’ve known about this since November. What have they got — one guy with an eyeshade and a pencil calculating this?” said a source close to Sergeants Association President Jim Ade.
It's obvious to even the most casual observers that Rahm is messing with the Sergeants because they filed and won a grievance over the DSS debacle. But the entire incident also calls into question the City's ability to pay a completely foreseeable and predictable bill that has come due, and amazingly, Fran Spielman actually delves into that aspect of things:
- The delay follows a financial squeeze that had forced Emanuel to plow through $25 million in snow removal spending — $4.5 million over a budget that was supposed to cover this winter and the start of next — even before Monday’s storm dropped another eight inches of snow on parts of Chicago with another one on the way.
Earlier this month, Emanuel convinced the City Council to double — from $500 million to $1 billion — a so-called “commercial paper” program used to tide the city over between major bond issues.
Chief Financial Officer Lois Scott said the short-term borrowing program would “ensure the city has liquidity for unseen needs such as retroactive salary payments and judgments.”
Back pay for sergeants is hardly “unseen.”
Reporters straying from the reservation? Or did Fran leave her computer unattended and Jorasvsky writing a bit of satire under Fran's handle?
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 6:01 AM
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OT: Is there anything more important than our pensions? I'm wondering. Only about sixty guys and gals from FOP took the time to go down to Springfield for the pension rally yesterday. No sign of Dean Angelo or his kid. That should tell all of you a lot about him and his campaign promises.
Off topic
http://newcity.com/2014/02/20/crossing-lines-whats-wrong-with-the-wrongful-conviction-movement/
The Daley-Emanuel death spiral continues.
There's plenty of money. The city is nowhere near broke. Sgt's are just being fucked with. All the sgt's that voted for this bitch, or didn't vote, should not be crying. Dummies.
Haven't been paid for the 7th day nato either
lmfao...
'...the delay stems from the painstaking process of calculating amounts owed to individual sergeants — not from a cash-flow crunch...
oh yes, yes-yes.
the city accountants wearing their visors are working feverishly over their abacuses. why they even had to bring in extra comptometer [a machine grandma use to run ] operators.
it's a painstaking task -- you don't even know.
they have to go back and find all those time cards. some of them are missing too like the vennecko files.
it's hard work man.
expect to see the political apparatus on video soon with their shirt sleeves rolled up to prove it.
look at how hard they are working for us all.
just as soon as the courier can run the tapes over to the chicago div. of al-jizzera you'll see.
Sergeants used Rahm's desire for a pension deal to leverage new bidding and protect current benefits like Personal Days, BFD, uniform allowance etc.knowing that the membership would vote pension changes down. City can't get pension deal from arbitrator but Sergeants get their benefits. Then Sergeants win DSS grievance and get OofG pay for members. Now Sergeant sue to light a fire on their retro pay and Rahm caves. Good job Jim Ade
they got money for depaul's stadium,they got money for retro!
and for those of you that are unwilling or unable to comprehend how to fill out a w-4 income tax witholding form and used the tax system as a forced payroll savings plan -- heheh y'all gonna have a big surprise soon when you get an i.o.u instead of a refund check.
common sense will tell you that you don't let people hold you money that are 1. broke living on credit and 2. irresponsible and can't manage their own money and 3. liars.
why would you do it...why.
if some broke-ass punk on the street asked to hold your money for you promising to give it back on april 15 you'd tell him to take a hike. right. so why.
the city can't pay it's bills.
the state can't pay it's bills
the country can't pay it's bills.
all of them are just buying time using the equiv of getting another credit card to make payments on all the other credit cards with maxed out lines of credit.
and some of you are going to let these people hold your money for you by letting them take out too much taxes -- so that you'll have a tax refund at the end of the year.
for crying out loud learn how to use a w-4 tax withholding form and adjust you withholdings as needed.
stupid -- stupid -- stupid.
good for you sgts. hope you men and women win it. maybe us po's can do the same thing. maybe we can even have a real union.
'...Chief Financial Officer Lois Scott said the short-term borrowing program would “ensure the city has liquidity for unseen needs such as retroactive salary payments and judgments.”''''
translation --
don't worry, we have no money but we still have plenty of blank checks in the checkbook so how can we be broke. we have checks. and our credit cards are not maxed out.....yet hahaha.
the city has liquidity for unseen needs,,
like unforeseen road salt
unforeseen pothole repairs
unforeseen cpd 'crime is down' overtime
unforeseen lawsuits
rahm's an ex-bankers. you can't trust a banker. look at what they did to this county.
oh and btw what's the banker so-called 'suicide' count at...we're up to seven now. most of them in high paying positions in the prime of their lives. suicides. yeah right. eight shots to the head with a nail gun -- one guy makes dinner plans with his girl then runs to the top of jp morgan's hq building and takes a dive ..
not buying it. nope.
Kind off the topics but Sgt class?
He found the money for a 1.5 million Skate Board park in Grant Park...
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20140220/south-loop/grant-park-skate-park-gets-15m-boost-from-rahm-after-plea-from-advocates
And you think getting a pension in a few years will still happen?
Retro payment plan = Cut V.R.I. from time-and-a-half to straight time.
No need to worry, the money is in a safe place . . . setting next to the NATO overtime money. Right Rahm, wink, wink.
So when you go to work today, make sure you generate revenue for the city. Perhaps if we worked harder then the city and Mayor Emmanuel would appreciate us more.
Pay the man!
so wait. rahm says he budgeted for this and then rahm's administration tells us about lines of credit for 'unforeseen' expenses.
which is it.
a lil' slip of the tongue perhaps that is a glimpse of what discussions are going on behind the wizards curtain.
anyways, and really, when you consider that words and signatures on paper are meaningless to the clouted bankers and politicians who's to say that any line of credit will be honored.
we have banks foreclosing on properties that they have no title or interest in - remember robo signing. those contracts had words and signatures on them.
we have banks that knowingly made liar loans. they had signatures.
we have banks that bundled crap mortgages and sold them as triple 'a' safe investments. they were signed too.
now tell me what value the words and signatures carry.
yeah..so don't go waving a signed contract for short term borrowing from a bank in our faces like it means something. give the people their g/d money.
can't you just see it.
some event takes place and the cities short term borrowing arrangement gets pulled by the bankers.
rahm get's to play the victim blaming the bankers and then vowing to blow more money on city lawyers to sue them. oh-oh it's not his fault haha.
meanwhile, holder from the doj and obama are already on record for not prosecuting any banker for their crimes. so you have one big dog and pony show but still no money.
perhaps in the end some settlement will be reached for pennies on the dollar in a take it or leave it proposal. that's your 'just-us' for ya.
nah man. don't wave that borrowing contract in our face like it represents something of value while other contracts are ignored and used as tools to enrich clouted city law firms.
i ask you what do the pension contracts mean. what do the healthcare contracts mean. how many major changes has our dictator made to obamacare without congress approval. isn't congress suppose to be making the laws.
don't worry cause you tell us that you have a short term borrowing agreement. no..i'm worried and i think everyone should be worried.
Perhaps some eagle eyed reported with a bit of a background in Econ 101 would be able to see where a savings from the 2012/2013 winter snow removal budget went?
And why it wasn't applied to the current 2023/2014 snow removal budget = hence offering a pad so to speak.
This question could also be applied to the annual public safety budget. Wherein there are X amount of dollars budgeted for X amount of police/fire and we fall far short of that budgeted amount.
Where'd the extra $$$$ go?
And let's not get started on TIF funds
Let's also pose the question of different ways to fund the pensions besides sticking to those WHO HAVE contributed.
Here's a few suggestions:
Raise the price of a lottery ticket a $1.00 (all to go to
Pensions only)
Limit elected officials to one pension ( not 2,3,4)
I have many more suggestions but it would be nice to hear from all of you on what other means Rahm and Springfield can do to fund or pensions.
Suggestions???
Sounds like there's too many Sgts what's with this top heavy command structure?
What have they got — one guy with an eyeshade and a pencil calculating this?”
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Yup.
His name is Maury.
He's got a small office up on Devon Avenue.
Hey SCC feel free to have a new section or just put this in here although it is off topic but very important
I attended the pension rally in Springfield yesterday . Pretty sad that we get the numbers we do. Didnt look like more than 100 from the FOP. What do we have 1
almost 18k with retired people and we cant get a couple thousand to commit to a free bus ride, a meal , and a soda. Everyone can jump on here and bitch about the guys running for FOP but I gotta say I saw the actor, the detective , but didnt see the disabled guy.
Where is the membership??? Do you not care about your pension people? The teachers out-numbered us by 6-1 if not more. Dont want you empty holsters to bitch about anyone but yourselves when we get the royal screwing over.......
City about to get bitch slapped by the rating agencies again. Cash will become an issue.
The Trib had an article about city workers owing $3.4 mil in unpaid debt. PAY YOUR DEBTS you scofflaws. How can we fight for pension, raises, or back pay when some of you owe money to the city? Although it seems CPS and CTA (owing in increases from 2011 of 95% and 123% respectively) owe the most in debt, CPD is on the list too. Don't make us the bad guys. Pay your city debts, dammit.
SORRY for this OT remark, but...
I just want to thank the nameless individuals that took the time, effort and dedication to go to Springfield on my/our behalf.
Sorry (again) that family issues precluded 'my' attendance, however I'm grateful for once again you, 'having my back.'
It was an honor to have served 40 years with some of the finest coppers in the nation.
Thanks for maintaining that "Thin Blue Line."
This is clearly an attempt for Rahm to make Jimmy Ade look as if they are not in bed with each other. Rahm's gonna let them win this one and Jimmy will do a victory lap like he's a hero.
It's all about perception. This is all a show! Jimmy has an election that he's still thinking about running for.
Just A Citizen says: You know what pisses me off? The morons working at Walgreens, or the emo's working at Whole Foods or any of the mini-socialites working at the ridiculous high end stores on Mich Ave, or the drones in suits or "Casual Friday" (gag me) attire sitting behind their desks all day checking Facebook and whatever other latest moronic social media is taking up all their time..... they get raises every effing year AND they get a bonus and if they don't? Threats, lawsuits, extortion, etc. But you Officers, who risk your life every single time you put on your uniform and have to come face to face with every kind of criminal known (and unknown as of yet) to man, and drive around in beat up shitty vehicles, and stand outside in the blazing heat and freezing winters have to BEG TO GET PAID WHAT IS DUE YOU? WHAT THE EFF IS WRONG WITH THE ENTIRE GOVERNMENTAL SYSTEM? The priorities are so effing out of whack, it's pathetic, embarrassing and a sign of the time.
"Sgts Sue - Is Chicago Broke?"
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Not broke, just deadbeats.
If the sergeants owed the City money they would all get Employee Indebtedness forms threatening to fire them etc. if they did not pay up within 30 days.
If they did pay their parking tickets in the initial alotted time, the fine would double, same with red light and speeding camera tickets. Don't pay property taxes, water bill, city stickers and they stick it in your ass.
But if you are owed money by the City, hey, fuck you, It is the Grand High Exalted Mystic City of Chicago. Anyone should be grateful to be owed money by such an entity. Now go piss in your shoes and wait for your money.
However, if you were a pal of Ed Burke you would have had your payment months ago. Just don't forget to call him "The Chairman." As in "The Chairman" makes me want to puke the miserable Irish turd.
They're broke when it comes to paying their employees for services rendered, but rolling in cash for the connected. Strange, no?
Ben Joravsky?
The real story is Chicago obviously has billions possibly trillions hidden in secret funds, like tif monies. How else can you completely close schools (54) that you dumped billions into for updates and repairs and build brand new schools. How can you build a pathetic team like DePaul a new stadium we the taxpayers pay for? Come on rahm with no federal over site we the taxpayers are being raped, the pension plans are being decimated thanks to rahm and the criminals! Where's the Manila envelope?
Why can't "Jim" just call "Rahm" and have diviner at Chez Paul and work this out like the previous Sergeant's Contract Officer?
Look for Sergeant Michael Voight after his failed attempt to win a trustee spot in Fop to make a move on Ade in the upcoming Sergeant's elections.
Mayor Rahm Auerbach-Emmanuel has led the City of Chicago into insolvency. His incompetence is clear. He can't even meet payroll. As a a Sergeant who is owed money by the city, I can tell you that I did not consent to loaning Rahm ANY of my money that he is holding onto. Maybe HE should loan the city some of that $18,000,000.00 he got paid for "consulting"in a field he knew nothing about. But he'd probably pay himself 15% interest. So maybe not.
Fuck you, you thieving liitle 9.5 fingered prick.
Yet a few Sgts continue to take it personally when their troops don't generate activity.
OT --
Astonishing. JN1 TV news from Israel has picked up this BS "no shootings for one whole night, crime is down 39% in Chicago" story that SCC covered farther down the blog, and is broadcasting it to the whole world. Saw it just now.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-no-city-shootings-friday-night-through-monday-morning-20140217,0,4138080.story
gotta love it baby. the diversion timing is impeccable no.
look, rahm sends the message; no-no i don't owe you, the city doesn't owe you. you owe the city..
via chicago tribune...
Debts to Chicago by its workers balloon
Fines, fees owed exceed amount when Emanuel took over as mayor
City workers owe nearly $3.4 million for unpaid parking tickets, water bills and other fees and fines.
[...]..."I am creating a culture of accountability in city government," Emanuel said at the time. "It simply is not acceptable that city employees have $3 million in outstanding debt owed to Chicago's taxpayers."
While the mayor made initial progress in getting city workers to make good, those scofflaws now collectively owe more than they did when Emanuel focused on the issue. The debt, which once ballooned to as much as $3.8 million, now stands at nearly $3.4 million, city records show.
The worst offenders are Chicago Public Schools and Chicago Transit Authority employees. They make up nearly 6 of every 10 city workers but account for almost 80 percent of the debt.
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could they owe more because of the speed trap cams. i'll bet it's the speed trap cams. [ i smell a public transportation slowdown coming]
why those dirty lil unionized school teachers and cta bus drivers running thru the speed cams and stuff....
but hey
'ask not what the city of chicago can do for you -- ask what you can do for the city'
right.
if the city of chicago workers can't pay their bills maybe they can get credit cards backed by commercial paper for these unforeseen expenses eh.
it has to be a very-very painstaking task for the city workers to go back thru their bills...don't ya think.
anyways, look how granular the city can get on certain numbers while other numbers that would hold the mayor accountable are just...just..well they're 'not available'
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All told, 5,584 city employees owe, nearly 6 percent of Chicago's public payroll. The totals include workers at the city's 32 departments, but also the five so-called sister agencies: the CTA, CPS, City Colleges of Chicago, the Chicago Housing Authority and the Chicago Park District, all of which are under the mayor's control.
Officials with CPS, the CTA and mayor's office blamed the pile of past-due bills in part on collective bargaining agreements with unions. Those contracts, they said, protect employees from discipline for failing to pay their debts and prevent the city from garnishing their wages.
Such union deals, however, were in place when the mayor announced a plan to recoup $3 million in city employee debt in 2011 with the threat of disciplinary action. Asked how many city employees — union or otherwise — the mayor's administration had suspended or fired for not making good on city debts, Emanuel spokeswoman Kelley Quinn said those numbers weren't available.
full story ;
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-emanuel-city-employee-scofflaws-met-20140220,0,7157251.story
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'those numbers weren't available. '
lmfao
welcome to crazy town.
get a load of this spin..
By CBS 4 Newsroom
newsroom@cbs4qc.com
Less jobs are being advertised in Illinois
But the director of Illinois' Department of Employment Security said the January numbers still show evidence of good paying jobs in Illinois.
The biggest need is in trucking, where there more than 7 thousand positions available.
Unemployment is currently set at 8.6%.
http://www.whbf.com/story/24768587/unemployment-up-in-il
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the need for truckers must be for moving vans as people leave the state of illinois.
and if you believe this nonsense one might ask why the illegal immigrants that came here to do the jobs that americans just don't want to do...and were just granted illinois drivers licenses -- why are they not lined up to fill these positions assuming they actually exist.
yeah,, just look over here at this tiny little sub-segment of the labor force...no-no don't look at the decline in job advertisements, the decline in workforce utilization. the 3rd highest unemployment in the nation. we need truckers damn it can;t you see.
if you're unemployed it's your own fault for picking the wrong major in school.
what did you do follow rahm emanuels advice to take up welding because he said there was a shortage as thousands were being laid off in that trade.
perhaps you followed rahm's advice and took computer programming as chicagos motorola mobility gets sold to china right after rahm's trade mission to china.. followed by layoffs at ibm, hp, dell, cisco and a number of game developer software positions canned including disney.
yep it's all your fault. it's not our trade policies fault.
there's 7.000 trucking jobs out there and every single one of them is good paying full time long term permanent positions. every one. without exception.
what's it gonna be next week. what job position are they gonna pull out of a hat to show you that you once again wasted your time to learn a trade that you can't make a living at.
show me the 7.000 trucking jobs. where are they... where. you're telling me that no-one knows how to drive a truck therefore we have a shortage. gtfo
you need to go get on that mandell trial STAT. reporters are on twitter about it. he is testifying that he used loevy resources and they gave him passwords that he used to track people.
Chicago isn't broke, but pretending to be broke.
This city is incredible, while we sergeants do feel bad for the patrolmen not getting a retro check or contract for that matter, we would like our DSS money and retro. A deal is a deal!
O.T.... D. Angelo just sent out an email blast that his team is a shields FREE ticket. Dean's disability must be amnesia cause HIS son, dean jr. ran with mike and has voted in mike's favor on every issue since taking office. Shield's free my ass!!!
The lady's sure play some damn good hockey . Exciting to watch.
No Justice! No Peace! Is The Line Ready?
USA girls hockey , you had the gold around your necks.. sports can really be unpredictable.
The City is broke. What would De Paul (stadium) folks do if Rahm doesn't come up with their city funds?
Not to mention other bills coming due, like Shortshanks borrowed $100 + million Olympic Village, the Michael Reese hospital that was bought for $85m, razed for $15m. Now if nobody buys the plot, the city's first payment on that loan coming up this year, in the neighborhood of $96 mil. worth of interest.
The city of egghead financial wizards cannot figure out what's wrong with borrowing when you can't afford to pay anything back. Default on De Paul and other spend thrift infrastructure that won't produce capital.
USA girls hockey . Be proud of what you have accomplished. Sometimes the ides go the other way...
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/545/article/p2p-79383390/
Snowball really get real here.
3:32 left .wow what a finish , but remain proud.
FOP Lodge 7 members need to elect brawlers that speak well for all positions. The writing is on the wall. Status quo won't work. The nuclear option is upon us. It's called Independent candidates.
This is a cocky and smug Rahm flipping the bird to the Sgt.'s!
Rahm's a terribly sore loser.
I'm thinking the 'unforeseen' back pay Rahm's anticipating having to pay is to the patrolmen, not the sergeants.
There was a lot of back and forth about whether the City was going to pay the money The Letter would have gotten for the blue shirts and there's still the question of whether an arbitrator will give it in a contract decision.
Place the City in the indebtedness program and issue a SPAR, which shall not be delayed or abated in any way.
Chicago is not broke.
Emanuel is playing cocksucker, period.
Sorry folks! No more promotional classes until new lists of det,Sgts and Lts list is out
Win Win Keep Making More SGTs and Not Enough POs Great for the Pension Crisis RhamBOoo doesn't plan
How the hell do we loose the desk sergeant grivence ....who ever worked on that should hang thier heads in shame and resign from the FOP.
grandstanding...just posturing for the masses - hoping to be re-elected...
How the hell do we loose the desk sergeant grivence ....who ever worked on that should hang thier heads in shame and resign from the FOP.
OT: Is there anything more important than our pensions? I'm wondering. Only about sixty guys and gals from FOP took the time to go down to Springfield for the pension rally yesterday. No sign of Dean Angelo or his kid. That should tell all of you a lot about him and his campaign promises.
2/20/2014 06:52:00 AM
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Thanks, Rich. Any word on the charges filed against and who will be on the committee? Let me guess- your committee will be all citywide guys to include: Danny Stover, Mark Donahue and Mike Burke.
No money for promises broken, but plenty for Maggie Daley (Carmella Soprano) park, and DePaul (separation of church and state?) stadium. Rahm is worse than Daley. All unions need to picked his house. It's easier than going to Springfield. There would be an enormous turnout.
Why can't "Jim" just call "Rahm" and have diviner at Chez Paul and work this out like the previous Sergeant's Contract Officer?
Look for Sergeant Michael Voight after his failed attempt to win a trustee spot in Fop to make a move on Ade in the upcoming Sergeant's elections.
2/20/2014 11:46:00 AM
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Retirees cannot run for a sergeant's board spot.
Now go back to sleep.
and some of you are going to let these people hold your money for you by letting them take out too much taxes -- so that you'll have a tax refund at the end of the year.
for crying out loud learn how to use a w-4 tax withholding form and adjust you withholdings as needed.
stupid -- stupid -- stupid.
2/20/2014 08:13:00 AM
Right on brother. I know a lot of people who claim 0 so they get a big refund. WTF are they nuts? All it is, as you say, is an interest free loan to the government. Insanity.
Speaking of union, can someone please fill me in since I was not at the last meeting. Did rich agular get brought up on charges? If so, what for? Like to know before I cast my vote. Thanks.
Anonymous said...
Yet a few Sgts continue to take it personally when their troops don't generate activity.
2/20/2014 11:50:00 AM
So you think you should get paid on the 1st and the 16th to do nothing? Dog ass!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The Trib had an article about city workers owing $3.4 mil in unpaid debt. PAY YOUR DEBTS you scofflaws. How can we fight for pension, raises, or back pay when some of you owe money to the city? Although it seems CPS and CTA (owing in increases from 2011 of 95% and 123% respectively) owe the most in debt, CPD is on the list too. Don't make us the bad guys. Pay your city debts, dammit.
2/20/2014 10:06:00 AM
We HAVE to pay or be disciplined, so go point your finger elsewhere.
And just because they say it's CPD, or a City employee, doesn't make it true. I used to get dunned for unpaid water bills for somebody with the same name, different address. But there I was, answering nastygrams from the Dept a couple of times a year and probably on some kind of indebtedness list, too.
You are the company you keep. Who wants to be seen with Doughtery and his band of misfits? NOT ME!!!!
Now is the time for Sgts and Patrolmen to unite and stop generating all forms of revenue to this corrupt filthy city.
I just have one question:
How is Mike Shields gonna take credit for this?
And the City of Chicago gets sales tax revenue from the sale of gasoline which, according to Newsradio 78, is now more than 30 cents a gallon more than the national average. Don't you just love living here?
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/545/article/p2p-79383390/
Snowball really get real here.
2/20/2014 02:19:00 PM
Right off the bat you would say it's a pretty big over reaction, but that is what is has come to.
In the old days that kid would have gotten his ears clipped, and rightfully so. He wouldn't dare tell his dad, because dad would kick his butt again, and rightfully so.
Now mom and dad would sue the copper and take his home so he has no choice. The kid and his parents and friends will now all learn the lesson together. Be a good citizen. Good for the copper.
Sorry folks! No more promotional classes until new lists of det,Sgts and Lts list is out
2/20/2014 05:10:00 PM
STFU goof. The Supt was doing merit interviews all week for a class that is suppose to start March 17th
" Anonymous said...
Sounds like there's too many Sgts what's with this top heavy command structure?
2/20/2014 09:37:00 AM"
Obviously, you are not CPD. We are under the budgeted strength in sergeants and officers.
But there's Maggie Daley Park
Anonymous said...
How the hell do we loose the desk sergeant grivence ....who ever worked on that should hang thier heads in shame and resign from the FOP.
2/20/2014 05:28:00 PM
The desk sgt position was eliminated but officers (not sgts.) continued to do it when they shouldn't have.
Sgts went on to do only the old watch cmdr duties as DSS instead of also the desk Sgt duties that were supposed to be part of the DSS job.
Desk Officers were actually sharing the
DSS duties (and not acting as desk Sgt.).
Read the first DSS order......
A Member Who's in the Know said...
OT: Is there anything more important than our pensions? I'm wondering. Only about sixty guys and gals from FOP took the time to go down to Springfield for the pension rally yesterday. No sign of Dean Angelo or his kid. That should tell all of you a lot about him and his campaign promises.
2/20/2014 06:52:00 AM
Dougherty and Donhue sent Fran Hurley to Springfield! She is their ninteenth ward hack secretary they backed for State Rep who will vote to diminish our pensions instead of the police officer that ran for election. So if they cared aboutpensions as much then they wouldnt have backed her. So Mr. Not so "clean elections" your full of it and a Bill and Mark. Go spin your BS somewhere else. I dont back any of the people running. But our Worst choice is these two maddigan hacks.
1.SGT. Joe Bird Lawyer
2.Lt. Martin Lawyer
3.Fran Hurley Receptionist
All three run for Il.State Rep of the same district. The first two are Lawyers that have paid into our pension system. Hurley was receptionist for 19th ward office, backed by Alderman O'shea, former Alderman Rugai and none other then Speaker Michael Madidigan. All three ask for the FOP union endorsement. Who did the union back. Fran Hurley! No experience in Law, No vested intrest in pension system. Now she votes on laws. She has already voted to diminish the State workers pensions and will do the same to us. Thats what Mark D. and Bill Dougherty have done for us. These guys dont back policeman they back a political party and use us to do it at big salaries. This is one exmple Lt Garrido is another. Dump the hacks.
OT: Regarding Steve Manning, nka Mandell.
Could someone please tell me what this guy did for the last thirty years, since he hasn't been a Chicago cop since the early 80's?
Getting kind of sick of hearing 'former Chicago cop' when the guy MUST have been somebody's ELSE'S employee in the most recent thirty years.
Let'$ $ee: $$$$ for Maggie Daley park, bike lanes, divvy bikes and bike racks, de Paul stadium, everything under the sun that's for "the children".......
Hopefully the sgts will finally get their back pay. At least their president forwarded "the letter" in the required timeframe. Rahm can't use that excuse to screw them.
1.SGT. Joe Bird Lawyer
2.Lt. Martin Lawyer
3.Fran Hurley Receptionist
All three run for Il.State Rep of the same district. The first two are Lawyers that have paid into our pension system. Hurley was receptionist for 19th ward office, backed by Alderman O'shea, former Alderman Rugai and none other then Speaker Michael Madidigan. All three ask for the FOP union endorsement. Who did the union back. Fran Hurley! No experience in Law, No vested intrest in pension system. Now she votes on laws. She has already voted to diminish the State workers pensions and will do the same to us. Thats what Mark D. and Bill Dougherty have done for us. These guys dont back policeman they back a political party and use us to do it at big salaries. This is one exmple Lt Garrido is another. Dump the hacks.
2/20/2014 10:01:00 PM
How do you lump Garrido in with this? You were doing fine up to the last two sentences.
Cpd can do without more sergeants, we need blue shirts
One sergeant with gps and put cansupervise an entire district. They do not because they duck early, long lunches, do not use gps or put as tools to supervise the dogs in a beat car.
Give dispatcher more authority to red line and write up dogs in beat car that stay down for an hour on a 10 minute call.
Not a big fan of the SCC blog, but the bit about Joravsky taking over Fran's byline as she stepped away from her computer was…priceless!
I placed Garrido in it because he is a policeman and they did not back him. They backed the opposition. These two hacks won't back other policeman running for political office if they aren't part of the machine. But they want you to vote for them as if they have our best intrest. Snakes both of them.
Garrido ran for alderman. Garrido sought but was not endorsed by thaes idiots. He lost by less then 70 votes.
Anonymous said...
Sorry folks! No more promotional classes until new lists of det,Sgts and Lts list is out
2/20/2014 05:10:00 PM
STFU goof. The Supt was doing merit interviews all week for a class that is suppose to start March 17th
2/20/2014 08:55:00 PM
I sure hope not, still good people on the list.
BTW, why not get rid of the LT rank, they do NOTHING NOW! They take a sgt off the street, make him a desk sgt and he does it ALL, desk and dss duties, approve sheets and payroll. The LT in district is required to do nothing. Field LT? sometimes...
>>>>> SCC: "As anyone who has ever dealt with Chicago can attest, deadlines are mere suggestions that payment will take place at some unspecified point in the future..." <<<<<
Dat's da trut, and you can take it to the bank. Or in the city of Chi's case -- not.
To the city, 'payment for work performed' mentioned in any city contract is a mere fucking 'suggestion', and it's been that way for decades and decades.
"...Give dispatcher more authority to red line and write up dogs in beat car that stay down for an hour on a 10 minute call...."
because there are never extenuating circumstances that require a longer time down on a call----we need more engaged supervisors and a field or watch lieutenant who cares---the lts will be the end of functioning cohesive watches- they have been pushed out by the DSS crap and XO nonsense and are just dogasses collecting a check these days
",,Sgts went on to do only the old watch cmdr duties as DSS instead of also the desk Sgt duties.."
more accurately= Sgts followed the lead of their Lts who refused to do any desk sgt stuff, sat in the office and authorized the CLEAR access which gave a PO the ability to do all the desk work--and the half assed new solution has been to bring back desk sgts (a good move) and diminish the Lts role to less than a figurehead (they don't even do roll call) Lt is such a nonposition, sgts can just fill in
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The Trib had an article about city workers owing $3.4 mil in unpaid debt. PAY YOUR DEBTS you scofflaws. How can we fight for pension, raises, or back pay when some of you owe money to the city? Although it seems CPS and CTA (owing in increases from 2011 of 95% and 123% respectively) owe the most in debt, CPD is on the list too. Don't make us the bad guys. Pay your city debts, dammit.
2/20/2014 10:06:00 AM
We HAVE to pay or be disciplined, so go point your finger elsewhere.
And just because they say it's CPD, or a City employee, doesn't make it true. I used to get dunned for unpaid water bills for somebody with the same name, different address. But there I was, answering nastygrams from the Dept a couple of times a year and probably on some kind of indebtedness list, too.
2/20/2014 08:08:00 PM
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1) I am sure most on the list as "Police" are not actually police but rather civilan employees.
2) Every copper knows that when the list is sent to your unit, you have 2 days to get the bill "taken care of" = Pay it!
Failure of any copper to pay the bill results in an immediate suspension until it is "taken care or"
The police dept doesnt care if it is your bill or your daddys (who has the same name and address as you) bill.
So, more than likely civilans.
OT: Is there anything more important than our pensions? I'm wondering. Only about sixty guys and gals from FOP took the time to go down to Springfield for the pension rally yesterday. No sign of Dean Angelo or his kid. That should tell all of you a lot about him and his campaign promises.
Nice try, I was there and saw at least 6 or 7 guys from Angelo's ticket there. Nice try to sling some more crap.
Anonymous said...
Speaking of union, can someone please fill me in since I was not at the last meeting. Did rich agular get brought up on charges? If so, what for? Like to know before I cast my vote. Thanks.
2/20/2014 07:08:00 PM
There were election charges made to the election comittee for the citywide email blast put out superbowl sunday. Since the election judge was unreachable no action was taken prior to the ballots going out last week SO I filed formal charges with lodge 7 against Rich for (1), using his official FOP email address to send out part of those emails which included the lodge address at bottom of the flyer. (2) the list of email addresses used where either from lodge database, or as Rich stated in open board meeting 04feb14, they were aquired over his tenure at the lodge offices which I challenge was still unethical since IF thats how he obtained them, they were still for offical lodge business ONLY and not political campaigning.
Now lets see what Tedd Street and the State Lodge do when charges are filed there and they are forced to hold "their own" accountable.
John Catanzara
OT - finally got a couple of decent Lt.'s on the 3rd watch in 24. Lt. "I'm on the medical or flying around the world" won't be back until after the summer and then it's 1st watch for her!!
Anonymous said...
Sorry folks! No more promotional classes until new lists of det,Sgts and Lts list is out
2/20/2014 05:10:00 PM
Hey dipshit they haven't even given a Lt or Det test to start new hiring from
Yes, Chicago is broke when it comes to first responders. But plenty of money for all kinds of pet projects and contracts for political friends, whether the project is needed or not.
9:54.....
Emanuel is putting these ratings agencies jack-asses up to bitch slapping the city.
They have to increase the panic in order to get their hands on your pension money for their hedge fund friends.
Wake up.
Emanuel and the vampires at the Civic Federation were caught red handed doing this last time around.
I haven't heard from that screwball complaining about the civilian who leaves early in the academy and he/she doesn't get to. What happened, somebody get dumped to "... a more dangerous assignment?"
Lawsuit to follow.
"So and so leaves early while I am prohibited from leaving early causing me untold stress and shame and resulting in my being forced to work for nearly 8 hours a day!" "Said stress causes me to go to the therapist to prevent a mental breakdown which about $875,000 in damages might alleviate. Plus attorney fees."
The position of lt. Is just a part time job, they split the shift and that's about it. They are not needed anymore.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I placed Garrido in it because he is a policeman and they did not back him. They backed the opposition. These two hacks won't back other policeman running for political office if they aren't part of the machine. But they want you to vote for them as if they have our best intrest. Snakes both of them.
Garrido ran for alderman. Garrido sought but was not endorsed by thaes idiots. He lost by less then 70 votes.
2/21/2014 05:40:00 AM
Thanks for clarifying/
OT - finally got a couple of decent Lt.'s on the 3rd watch in 24. Lt. "I'm on the medical or flying around the world" won't be back until after the summer and then it's 1st watch for her!!
then someone should launch her ass, and, when asking for time off....uh.....no
OT - finally got a couple of decent Lt.'s on the 3rd watch in 24. Lt. "I'm on the medical or flying around the world" won't be back until after the summer and then it's 1st watch for her!!
Afraid NOT. She has the third watch bid spot.
Anonymous said...
OT: Is there anything more important than our pensions? I'm wondering. Only about sixty guys and gals from FOP took the time to go down to Springfield for the pension rally yesterday. No sign of Dean Angelo or his kid. That should tell all of you a lot about him and his campaign promises.
Nice try, I was there and saw at least 6 or 7 guys from Angelo's ticket there. Nice try to sling some more crap.
2/21/2014 11:06:00 AM
I'm not a big Angelo fan either but what's right is right. I was talking to 3-4 guys on his ticket who were there with us.
BTW, why not get rid of the LT rank, they do NOTHING NOW! They take a sgt off the street, make him a desk sgt and he does it ALL, desk and dss duties, approve sheets and payroll. The LT in district is required to do nothing. Field LT? sometimes...
*Because CPD LT Ray Ray Hamilton has to keep it for 2 more years to retire from his LOA with Cook County
The City is broke. What would De Paul (stadium) folks do if Rahm doesn't come up with their city funds?
Not to mention other bills coming due, like Shortshanks borrowed $100 + million Olympic Village, the Michael Reese hospital that was bought for $85m, razed for $15m. Now if nobody buys the plot, the city's first payment on that loan coming up this year, in the neighborhood of $96 mil. worth of interest.
The city of egghead financial wizards cannot figure out what's wrong with borrowing when you can't afford to pay anything back. Default on De Paul and other spend thrift infrastructure that won't produce capital.
BUT our Pension in Guaranted Right?
LOL LoL lol
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yes, Chicago is broke when it comes to first responders. But plenty of money for all kinds of pet projects and contracts for political friends, whether the project is needed or not.
2/21/2014 02:35:00 PM
Instead of the Police Department I should have been a contractor specializing in basketball stadiums and lake front parks named after fat dead old ladies and I should have learned a lot about TIF funds. That way I would be right there with Rahm making the City work, before I drove home to Winnetka.
I'm not a big Angelo fan either but what's right is right. I was talking to 3-4 guys on his ticket who were there with us
--ok good but we wont vote for them the family dean, jr and schauf no thanks
I'll calculate all the back-pay due for $1,000. I'll have it done before breakfast, and I only have XP and Excel 2000. I'm not a bureaucrat though, so I doubt they'll hire me. Maybe if I was a top Chicago firm that made campaign donations and promised to have it done before the summer for $250k they'd give me the job...
Anonymous said...
OT - finally got a couple of decent Lt.'s on the 3rd watch in 24. Lt. "I'm on the medical or flying around the world" won't be back until after the summer and then it's 1st watch for her!!
Afraid NOT. She has the third watch bid spot.
2/21/2014 08:19:00 PM
Doesn't matter. She's getting the Marine Unit. Just ask her.
Anonymous said...
Not a big fan of the SCC blog, but the bit about Joravsky taking over Fran's byline as she stepped away from her computer was…priceless!
2/21/2014 12:18:00 AM
Why are you here?
- SCC Fan
Anonymous said...
BTW, why not get rid of the LT rank, they do NOTHING NOW! They take a sgt off the street, make him a desk sgt and he does it ALL, desk and dss duties, approve sheets and payroll. The LT in district is required to do nothing. Field LT? sometimes...
*Because CPD LT Ray Ray Hamilton has to keep it for 2 more years to retire from his LOA with Cook County
2/21/2014 10:12:00 PM
You're right. And, if I don't miss my guess, they will eliminate the Lt. rank within the next 10 years. Most suburban departments long ago eliminated this rank, promoting sergeants to commanders and above. If someone can make a really strong case for exactly what the lieutenant's role is, especially in Patrol, then so be it. I was a lieutenant and found out why they always said it was the "best job in the department!" Because you really had NO responsibilities. I would hope they would keep it to give younger officers a hope of upward mobility but the way things are going, I doubt it.
Sargeants run patrol now and always did . deslk sgt and watch secretary always did most work for the captain , time to start hiring more blue shirts
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