Station Defibrillators
We see these things at the airport as we jet off to Vegas. And on the planes.
We see em downtown in nearly every building we wander into.
A quick google search reveals they cost anywhere from a grand to a few thousand.
So why wouldn't there be a couple in every single police station? People come in off the street and ask for ambulances. People in the lockups and under high stress, fall out occasionally. Coppers, like an unfortunate detective earlier this month, suffer medical emergencies at all hours and may benefit from having this device nearby.
Isn't this something that the City ought to have around? And if the City won't pay for it, many wouldn't object to the FOP and PBPA getting together and fronting the bill for a few to be kept in the stations out of the public areas - if the City wants them for the public, pay for them. If the bargaining units pay, they're for coppers.
Something to think about.
We see em downtown in nearly every building we wander into.
A quick google search reveals they cost anywhere from a grand to a few thousand.
So why wouldn't there be a couple in every single police station? People come in off the street and ask for ambulances. People in the lockups and under high stress, fall out occasionally. Coppers, like an unfortunate detective earlier this month, suffer medical emergencies at all hours and may benefit from having this device nearby.
Isn't this something that the City ought to have around? And if the City won't pay for it, many wouldn't object to the FOP and PBPA getting together and fronting the bill for a few to be kept in the stations out of the public areas - if the City wants them for the public, pay for them. If the bargaining units pay, they're for coppers.
Something to think about.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
167 Comments:
Aint gonna happen.
About 7 years ago, there was a bad accident involving a 002 Dist Squad on the Dan Ryan. Car caught fire, one officer was trapped inside.
We screamed about fire extinguishers then.
NATO and the very realistic threat of Molotov Cocktails.
We screamed about fire extinguishers then.
Look in the trunk of your shitty squad with 150K+ miles. Do you see a $50 Fire Extinguisher?
Makes sense for CPD to have Defibs in each station. How about charging it to the city credit card like everything else.
Thought there was an order on it.
We get cpr and first aid training in the academy, we should have the equipment available to save other officers life.
We are second class citizens according to shitty hall... I haven't been down there lately but I'd bet good money there is one somewhere in the building...
If the bargaining units pay you would still need to use them for the public. You can't let someone have a heart attack in the station and watch them DIE, knowing full well they could be saved.
FOP does not have their own operating account and general fund, this is our money. They can purchase defies when they lower the large salaries we are paying to them. What about the memorial foundation?
The Marine Unit's had them for several years. Regular CPR dismal success rate. Defibrillator over fifty percent
I personally know a trained professional in the AED business that has reached out to our department in regards to this very matter. With 2 son in-laws on the job and a son on the fire department this is definitely a personal concern for her. She has reached out to several people within the department who have all agreed AEDs in the district station is a good idea but none of them could seem to point her in the right direction. If anyone reading has any idea on who she can talk to please post it in the comment section.
The department would have to have a training program. Every copper would have to go. Don't see it happening.
If the city put these expensive devices in police stations, then soon they would have to put them in every city building/office. Then the city would have to periodically inspect and monitor the devices, not to mention training people in their use. When the devices are stolen or damaged the city would have to replace them at great cost. The City of Chicago just does not have the money or resources for such a worthy, though expensive endeavor.
All you need is a simple 4 hr cpr class to be cerified in use but in reality they are idiot proof
It is doubtful that the City would allow the FOP or PBA to place these medical devices in city owned/managed buildings and offices. Then the city would be responsible and open for lawsuit if they were misused, or failed to work. Some thing are just not meant to be.
I don't read the blog to often but what a great idea!! Thanks !!!!
OT
A few days late, but thanks Franklin Park PD for the courtesy. Much appreciated.
training is necessary on when and how to use this device
Why? Because the city wants you to die early. They pay less that way. Get it?
RIP Dennis
Rahm and all his money buddies should kick in and buy one for each station.
I am sure he could hit up all his friends to donate cash to buy one.
Think of the PR. Think of the positive response by all the ass-kissing media "Oh Rahm did such a noble thing."
They could also hit up all the big money-making media as well. All the anchors like Ron Majers, good ol' Walter Jacobson, Zekman, Roe on WLS, John Kass, etc.
Ante up, boys and girls. Yeah right,,,,,must have been a dream.........
This police dept does not care!!! Never did, never will. It's a piece of garbage police dept. The Exempts make an extra 20k a year in their pension. The exempts are appointed by the Democratic Communist Machine. This police dept is completely gone. Destroyed. Phil Cline began it. McCarthy continued it. There is no one left from CPD that has the experience to run the police dept. I never thought I would say this but bring Jody back!!
Hi SCC! I have t seen you in a while! The cold weather sure slowed down our streetlight shooting. It was so cold, I slowed down my Schlitz consumption. That's probably so grumpy at my CompStat meetings.
Well, this is why I'm writing you. If we supplied defribators to the stations, it's just a matter of time that some criminal or unruly TVB accuses the department of getting zapped by one of those buggers. We have to be one step ahead of Loevy and Loevy.
By the way, March Madness is right around the corner. Who do you like for the final sixteen?
Luv you man!
XOXO
Bronx
"A quick google search reveals they cost anywhere from a grand to a few thousand."
There's 1-2 thousand reasons right there why we don't have them in police stations.They won't spend the money.
Secretly, they don't want them there for liability purposes.
They don't want the litigious liberal attorneys suing the city. They'll state publicly that we are not trained and that we can call CFD and have 'trained professionals' evaluate and treat them. In addition, they don't want to encourage the public to stop off at a police station for a medical emergency.
Never mind that they should be available to possibly treat a police officer in need.
Until some slug with stripes on his sleeve is fascinated by the bright warning stickers posted all over the cabinet and decides to disregard said warning stickers and open the cabinet which triggers an alarm in the station and at a fire house which sends an ambulance that will not take a disregard. True story at our PD.
Milwaukee PD has them in all the district stations.
Academy has had one for several years
Bronx shot the lights out of this one, the liability to the city here would be huge, unless there is legislation to prohibit lawsuits against trained individuals and municipal providers, there is no way that these devices can be maintained, monitored, and available for use 24/7 so that they are ready when needed and there is trained personnel to use the device correctly.
the city has money 1.9 billion dollars waiting to be spent, does the city have the defibrillator on the 5th floor at city hall?
A REVIEW OF PROPER POLICE ETIQUITTE:
Widows / Widowers, Mothers / Fathers, and Siblings of murdered police officers should never, ever, ever, be given minor traffic citations.
Those people have already paid a heavy price for their loss.
WTF!
AED in every CPS school. Was trained on use by CPS school nurse when I was assigned to school patrol .Just saying
But a shithead dies in lockup and it's front page, top of the hour news. Officer? Yeah not that newsworthy. Assholes!!!
We do have a training program for them. Sgt Cruz and Brian Berkowitz put together an excellent CPR program and they use AED's in the training. I was recently certified as was every member of the academy staff, the XO made it mandatory. It wouldn't take anything to put everyone through an in-service program. Two shifts, 4 months tops. We had at least 15 of them in class. Where did that funding come from? Write a grant application and get more. I believe after someone dropped dead in an in-service computer class we got two at the academy several years back. One behind the front desk, one in the gym. The machine is great because even if you panic, the machine tells you what to do. Make it mandatory in-service much better choice then police legitimacy garbage.
How many are in city hall and other city buildings?
Isn't it a slippery slope for the city, equipping some facilities and not others? Sounds like a law suit looking for a place to happen.
Hell, when was the last time the city recertified any PO's in CPR, I'm not talking about the video they put out.
http://blog.rtba.co/police-officers-final-act-kindness-caught-tape-dying/
Thanks officers.
Chicago Park District field houses have them and employees are trained in their use.
The department is going to train us on concel and carry via streaming video. They can surley train us on these the same way,no? By the way don't call me surely.
Be carefull what you ask for. rahm well put them in squads and makes us take ambo calls
OT When are we getting some new cars?? Our district is down about 10 cars with no pools available. All watches are sending out half the cars and everyone in doubled up. I noticed several new exempt vehicles at 35th street though.
I have not, to dat, seen one AED stolen. They are already in some City buildings, schools, parks and I could go on and on.
Training can be quick and easy, could be done during role call, chest compression only CPR and how to utilize an AED. You guys protect the City, why aren't you protected by these lifesaving devices?
The Illinosheartrescue.com will come to your district train you during role call at no charge, and assist the City of Chicago in any way possible to get Aeds in your districts.
If you ever witness a cardiac arrest it's usually someone you know and love. Hey it could be you, your partner or someone close to you.
emdihr2012@gmail.com
In Champaign every squad has one. You check it in, you check it out. At least one PO was saved in the building about 8 yrs ago by one.
Was trained on how to use an AED in my previous job. Super easy to use.
And the training would be maybe an hour. The machine tells you what to do.
It's a shame we don't have them in our police stations. Typical cheap ass city.
Looks like somebody's cousin can't get a contract for them.
How much will the department then pay us for the training? CFD gets a % more for training.
A safety grievance should take care of this. Or maybe the threat of a lawsuit by the det's family. Maybe by the union. Sorry forgot we don't have one
From PBPB.....
The PB&PA and the Chicago Sergeants' Association has joined forces with FOP, irefighters Local 2, Chicago Teachers Union, and the unions representing Chicago's Municipal and Laborers to combat the attack on Chicago's public sector pensions. The WeAreOneChicago coalition will be heading to the State Capitol on Wednesday, February 19 for a rally to make our voices heard. The FOP has arranged for transportation to Springfield leaving their offices at 1414 W. Washington at 0800 sharp. If you wish to attend and take advantage of this transportation, you MUST call our office at 773-376-7272 before February 18. If you call after hours or on the weekend, simply leave your name and intention with the answering service.
These should be in every police station and fire house. But, personnel need to be trained on their use and that is probably why the city hesitates because of added cost. Hundreds of people would need to be trained on their use and training would have to be on going to avoid liability. But, overall it is a must. As always, the police department and city are cheap and foolish.
Rub a lamp people! Mayor twinkle toes does not like the police and is crying poor every chance he gets, so I doubt we will ever see these devices in our stations. Once again, the automatic defibrillators are an example of equipment and technology which should be a no-brainer to have in your finer police and fire depts, but this is Shitcago and the politicians here would rather spend money on flower boxes and bike lanes than spend money on something that would save a first responder's life. For god's sake, they allow mold to grow in stations and build them on condemned land. As a previous poster stated, this city wants you to die early because it is more cost effective for them and allows them to continue lining their pockets with tax-payer money. This department and this city are both worth a damn.
Do fire stations have them now?
Only allowed in the lock up areas for the criminals. City not so concerned about the working officer!
I love the fact that these hack alderman just sit around and think on any nonsense that bothers them and pass legislation I.e. elec. cigarettes, carriage rides on michigan ave, to have them banned, but when it comes to important issues like officer safery they can care less. It doesnt fit their personal agenda.
This organization might be worth a contact-
http://www.valorforblue.org/
I believe they've been known to provide police equipment to smaller agencies, but who knows.
City Colleges of Chicago has installed the cabinets for the defibs, but the cabinets are empty as of today. Very reassuring, like having a designer medicine cabinet in your bathroom without any medicines!
Someone donated one for Area North
Does the new morgue have the AED devices ? Just asking. Sometimes peoples fall out when they see their next of kin have passed, LOL
Dude, take some of that extra money you're hoarding from your ex-wife working the Violence Reduction and pay the $50 for the fire extinguisher yourself. Stop acting like the Entitlement Dogs we service who expect the government to buy them everything. Take the initiative you Cheap Ass.
CPR and first aid training usually includes how to use a defibrillator. Most defibrillators guide the user via verbal commands, so training should not be an issue.
The air[ort officers get training, but Aviation pays for it.
In regards to fire fighting items,CFD complained, so people are just let to die. Pols don't care.
Just A Citizen Says: Now this kind of stuff really pisses me off. The city has enough "extra" floating around to build basketball stadiums for the criminals, parks for the criminals, piers for the criminals, put on concerts and fests for the criminals and even plant pretty flowers up and down the streets so when the criminals attack us, we can lay on ground looking at the pretty flowers but they can't scrape up enough money for proper equipment or updated cars??? It's reached a point with me where my blood pressure rises when I am around liberals.
First of all quit the whining this is serious stuff. Dennis was a friend and there have been three heart attacks in three weeks in Area North. The lack of manpower is literally killing us due to stress and overwork and bosses just don't give a shit as long as the compstat numbers don't get them yelled at. Take care of yourselfs with your diet,exercise and regular medical checkups. I will call the FOP first thing Monday and I will hold their feet to the fire about this. If we have to train ourselves so be it. And yes we will use it for citizens because its what we are here for!!! Not to mention its a feather in our cap in the media if we save a citizen with a something we bought instead of the city. Quit looking for the city to take care of us like a shithead and lets take care of ourselfs. Corporate sponsors will be all over this as well as CPMF I'm sure.
Dear SCC:
As you may recall, I submitted a post about this very issue Wednesday morning,
You were gracious enough to publish it.
Since that time I have received emails and phone calls from numerous officers, who were concerned about the issue,
Wednesday night, I started an online petition, asking that people sign and forward to their friends, after one day we had over two hundred signatures, after I just checked we are coming up on number three hundred, with no more advertising than just a post on this blog,
Truly, this blog is the best place to get the word out to coppers, and their supporters.
Please click on this link to sign the petition.
As I scanned the names of who signed, I recognized a retired boss or two, the old timers, who we knew were on our side.
Now, I've been gone a couple of years, but I did not spot any bosses names that I recognized.
PLEASE AS YOUR BOSSES TO SIGN.
If your boss won't sign,, well?
The other thing that I noticed is that as I can tell only one candidate for F.O.P. President has signed, come on guys, please ask all the candidates to help support the officers on this issue.
S.C.C. thsnk you for your soapbox,
Folks, please sign this petition, and forward to your friends and family.
http://www.petitions24.com/forum/82909#7
I know some people are afraid to sign on line petitions because they think they will get on spam email lists, to that I can say two things, you can sign anonymously, and in three days I have gotten no spam from this site.
Thank You
Kevin O'Rourke
Kevin@kevinorourke.com
BronxBullschitzHere said...
Hi SCC! I have t seen you in a while! The cold weather sure slowed down our streetlight shooting. It was so cold, I slowed down my Schlitz consumption. That's probably so grumpy at my CompStat meetings.
Well, this is why I'm writing you. If we supplied defribators to the stations, it's just a matter of time that some criminal or unruly TVB accuses the department of getting zapped by one of those buggers. We have to be one step ahead of Loevy and Loevy.
By the way, March Madness is right around the corner. Who do you like for the final sixteen?
Luv you man!
XOXO
Bronx
2/15/2014 03:57:00 AM
Imagine the defib devices in every station marked FOR POLICE OFFICERS ONLY. Now imagine some citizen going in to the station clutching his chest and being told we will call him a bambulance and that guy checks out on the way to the hospital.
Now, imagine further what Loevy & Loevy does with that one. I therefore predict the democrats will get the defibs before we do.
29 and a day said...
training is necessary on when and how to use this device
2/15/2014 01:57:00 AM
It is self-guided, the thing tells you what to do, step by step. "Place paddles on chest, push button marked charge, press button marked FIRE. Repeat as needed."
Anonymous said...
Aint gonna happen.
About 7 years ago, there was a bad accident involving a 002 Dist Squad on the Dan Ryan. Car caught fire, one officer was trapped inside.
We screamed about fire extinguishers then.
NATO and the very realistic threat of Molotov Cocktails.
We screamed about fire extinguishers then.
Look in the trunk of your shitty squad with 150K+ miles. Do you see a $50 Fire Extinguisher?
2/15/2014 12:09:00 AM
Years ago there were fire extinguishers on the wagons. They were old and didn't work but they satisfied the weekly inspection.
I bought and carried my own fire extinguisher. 2.5 pounds. Also several envelops of clotting agent and a tourniquet. And a window breaker thing that clipped next to my pen.
"The department would have to have a training program. Every copper would have to go. Don't see it happening.
2/15/2014 01:10:00 AM"
To the above poster: The department already trained you on how to use an AED! About a year ago you were mandated to go on E-Learning for a CPR refresher. The AED video was part of the CPR refresher. Obviously you didn't watch it which is kind of dumb! While you may not want to help the bad guy when he has a grabber, knowing the new CPR and how to use an AED can help your partners or maybe even your family. It was a good video, done by a doctor from Rush if I remember correctly.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I personally know a trained professional in the AED business that has reached out to our department in regards to this very matter. With 2 son in-laws on the job and a son on the fire department this is definitely a personal concern for her. She has reached out to several people within the department who have all agreed AEDs in the district station is a good idea but none of them could seem to point her in the right direction. If anyone reading has any idea on who she can talk to please post it in the comment section.
2/15/2014 12:53:00 AM
If she expects to be paid she shouldn't waste her time. This City is one huge deadbeat.
Perhaps the 100 Club could become involved?
Anonymous said...
We get cpr and first aid training in the academy, we should have the equipment available to save other officers life.
2/15/2014 12:28:00 AM
I call my life saving device a radio, help comes quicker than I can bumble through emergency first aide.
A grand up to a few thousand? Lotsa luck with that. The city will buy from some Alderman's retarded brother in law and pay no less that $5,000
Careful what you ask for. Do you want to be the one to use these on some civilian who ends up dying and his shitbag family sues the shit out of you?
If there in place I doubt they could be limited to use only on our coworkers.
Trying to find friends in the business
Love
Richie
I work a side job for CPS and we have one in the main office so the argument about not allowing them in city-owned buildings is moot. You don't have train everyone on their use (even though they're pretty much goof proof). Just train the regular house mice.
once again with 19 years on this job, the only person who will EVER take care of you is yourself, and maybe your partner. the city,police dept, public DO NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT US, you CANNOT count on anyone else. we are not worth it....you've been forewarned, wake up and get some training on shooting, ass kicking and trauma care for US, no on else. talk to your partnet, if hes/she is not a goof on what to do and where to go if something bad happens, no matter what it is, health issue, gunshot, etc. we CANNOT rely on anyone else, history has repeatedly shown this. wake up and take responsibility for your own lives as much as possible, no one else will..stay safe and don't give a second thought to the stupidvisors on this job, the media and the goofy public. we ARE a different breed, and to all the haters who will ridicule what I just said, FUCK OFF BITCHES!!! especially the yuppy, hipster, democratic, socialist, dumbass crowd. :)
I work a side job for CPS and we have one in the main office so the argument about not allowing them in city-owned buildings is moot. You don't have to train everyone on their use (even though they're pretty much goof proof). Just train the regular house mice.
I'm on a suburban dept. We have one in each squad and the cert and refresher is rolled into our yearly CPR training. We've saved a few people. I more like having it for our own guys incase something goes bad.
Speaking of Airports can anyone out there confirm or deny reports about openings for Airports coming soon? Enquiring minds want to know...............know watta i mean!?!
Legit Question:
Background....smokes, drinks, doesn't exercise, and eats poorly.
Does that person deserve a defib on our tax money?
No!!!!, for the same reason that the person that smokes weed, and drops out of school doesn't deserve a taste of Chicago summer job ahead of a straight A kid that's clean.
Stop wasting money, start saving it. If your worried about a heart attack hold a screwdriver and place it into an electrical outlet as your heart stops.
Every station could raise their own $ for one. If you really want something be creative. Plenty of people would donate for it. Just someone has to step up and get it started. Do /like most and sell water, candy or chips. Police supporter t-shirts? One for each Unit? Some people may want to collect them...... Coppers would rather complain for years then take 5 minutes to just do something to fix anything.
I'm not taking the City's side on this, but let's face facts. AED batteries have to be checked and recharged on a regular basis. Every AED has to be inspected regularly. Employees have to receive training on how to use them. They are easily removed and easily stolen. They are NOT idiot-proof, as one commenter said.
It's not impossible to get over all the obstacles, but it would take the cooperation of all the officers and there are too many whining crybabies who spoil it for everyone.
Go ahead and flame away but you know who you are and you know I'm right.
Hey bronx you cant deliberately shock someone with a defribulator thats not how they work. Basically all you do is place the pads on a persons chest and if the machine reads a low enough heart activity it automatically shocks the person. There is no way someone can force a shock onto a patient. Also who cares who beefs if these things save one copper its well worth it.
Weather they put these things in stations or not if somebody goes down in the station at the very least do chest compressions. Anything is better than just waiting for the paramedics to show up? G-d bless all of you and stay safe.
We have had then for several years at the 911 center
why not ask CPD Memorial Fund to pay for it in districts and areas
No, it's more important to get wifi throughout the city
2:24.....
If any business or media types push this, it's going be for the community, not you.
They're already headed in that direction.
Emanuel wants you to be a play-paramedic.
That building at 35th St. says "Public Safety", not Po-po anymore, get with it.
They figure they can shave off 3-5 ghetto homicides a year by making the police play paramedic.
....and they get the shits n' giggles from watching you explain why you didn't put your hands into dude's gaping chest wound to stop him from bleeding out.
rahm wants p.o.'s to die so he won't have to pay your pensions
There in the airports. Last I looked the city owns the airports.
I personally know a trained professional in the AED business ..... If anyone reading has any idea on who she can talk to please post it in the comment section:
Ms Bonita Amado Director of Facility Mamagement: 312-745-5600
ADS Marvin Shear, Bureau of Administrative Services: 312-745-5600 (Her Boss-2nd in charge of Admin Services)
Both good people, Shear is a retired copper who later came back to keep working. He is a cop and works for coppers. Amado keeps all the Department properties tolerably functional with the Band-Aids, bailing wire and hot glue the City gives her to work with. If they can't figure out how to get it done they will know who SHOULD.
The supervisors would try to start their cars with them.
The city has fucking millions of dollars for Maggie Daley Park, for bike lanes, for the new basketball stadium for DePaul University. Yet, they don't have money for us?
Because the city truly appreciates me, I will do something special for the city. I will write: 12 parkers, 15 movers, 5 anovs and 5 impounds. I feel so appreciated. I hope most of my colleagues feel appreciated as well.
Anonymous said...
If the city put these expensive devices in police stations, then soon they would have to put them in every city building/office. Then the city would have to periodically inspect and monitor the devices, not to mention training people in their use. When the devices are stolen or damaged the city would have to replace them at great cost. The City of Chicago just does not have the money or resources for such a worthy, though expensive endeavor.
2/15/2014 01:17:00 AM
You sir are a dimwit. Honestly, with a straight face you are going to tell me "the city doesn't have the money"?
But the city has money for Maggie Daley Park, bike lanes, DePaul University's new basketball stadium in the South Loop.
Difibbing someone sounds more like an EMS and/or Fire Department function, not law enforcement. If you are going to put a defib unit in each police station than you will have to provide an EMS Tech or fireman to operate it. Since when are the cops responsive for emergency medical services? Don't we have enough to do now, being shorthanded and all?
EMS don't carry guns, cuffs and arrest people, and cops should not be operating medical equipment.
An inmmediate start of CPR compressions could have helped until an AED (CFD) became available because not every situation requires an AED, but a properly set up AED monitor would be able to administer a shock when needed. It's a very easy device to learn.
No armchair quarterbacking.
We still have a need for AED's and continual CPR Training in every District. Someone at FOP or The Dept needs to contact the American Red Cross on their program and possible equipment donation.
The state issues an AED and fire extinguisher to every troop. Why can't the city at least give CPD one or two AEDs to every station and an extinguisher in every CPD car? Bullshit.
PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION!!
http://www.petitions24.com/help_save_chicago_police_officers_and_fire_fighters
As screwed up as CPS is there is one in every school,and they showed us how to use them.
No training is needed with these. If a person falls out and you can't find a pulse and they are not breathing, you call 911 and then put the red patch on bare skin on the left rib cage under the heart and the other on the right upper side of the chest. You then press a button on the defibrillator and it does the rest only if needed. There is a picture card inside of the box the machine is in that you follow. No training needed. That is why they get to put them in places with public access.
2 years ago a state law was passed that all public spaces should have defibrillators by a Chicago State Rep if I recall. I am trying to find out who's bill it was and we should try to reach out to him for support. If I recall correctly it was Rep. Dan Burke.
There's a good reason why they are not at police stations because of liability...watch what u wish for? U miss use this on someone and watch how quick your ass ends up in a lawsuit...dumb idea....
Takes about 10 minutes to learn how to use an AED. Hell, the high end units talk to you and tell you what to do. They should be ubiquitous.
AED's are designed to be idiot proof.
One would probably have to be astute enough to recognize that a person was having a heart attack in order to deploy one.
Might be fun to deploy one in the midnight field lt though!
Oops, sorry lieu, thought you felt out on us!
OT: Another frickin' Democrat/rocket scientist, who should have been in jail under mandatory sentencing, but wasn't! Shooting up an L station instead. Big frickin' surprise! Way to go, Cook County judges!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-400k-bail-for-man-accused-of-firing-gun-in-uptown-20140215,0,7219599.story
Anonymous said...
Speaking of Airports can anyone out there confirm or deny reports about openings for Airports coming soon? Enquiring minds want to know...............know watta i mean!?!
2/15/2014 10:37:00 AM
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Anonymous said...
Difibbing someone sounds more like an EMS and/or Fire Department function, not law enforcement. If you are going to put a defib unit in each police station than you will have to provide an EMS Tech or fireman to operate it. Since when are the cops responsive for emergency medical services? Don't we have enough to do now, being shorthanded and all?
2/15/2014 01:49:00 PM
Sounds like a dog ass north side response. What if one of your fellow coppers fell over of a heart attack? Would you hold your lazy ass on a personal or step over him and say "squad, I'm heading to my lunch location". You are a tool, no EMS tech needed you useless hump, it has pictures so even your dumbass could figure it out.
Mr. SouthSide said...
The supervisors would try to start their cars with them.
2/15/2014 01:19:00 PM
That's pretty funny lol
I bet CPD is the worst trained PD this side of Mayberry!
30 rounds to qualify with your pistol every year and no practice rounds. A new gas mask every 5 years thanks to Uncle Sam. Crowd control only when a NATO type evnt pops up. Still waiting on our training for a 911 type terrorist attack. Oh yea, it's not practical to train individual officers.
You get the picture.
http://www.chicagoreader.com/imager/sources-chicago-police-department-and-census-data/b/original/4066398/1765/Chicago_Gun_Registration_big.jpg
Any recommendations on AEDs to buy? I'm a family caretaker and am thinking of buying an AED for personal family use. My house is far out in the country, so an ambulance would take 15 minutes to arrive.
A flying elbow drop from the top rope will kick start a heart. Cooter
Which presidential canidate signed the petition?
They train every new recruit on the aed in the academy. They are idiot proof, it will not work if it is not necessary to be used on a person by reading the persons vitals. To those worried about liability on civilians, there are laws protecting you when trying to help someone and if you don't know that already then you need a refresher. Not everyone works in the hell hole districts, some work where our families live, wouldn't you want them to have the equipment to help save there lives and the motivation to want to save there lives instead of the liability bullshit???!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
ADS Marvin Shear, Bureau of Administrative Services: 312-745-5600 (Her Boss-2nd in charge of Admin Services)
Both good people, Shear is a retired copper who later came back to keep working. He is a cop and works for coppers.
2/15/2014 01:08:00 PM
I might be wrong but I don't think Marv Shear was ever the sworn police. As far back as I can remember he was a civilian in the building. Hw rose up eventually getting the appointed rank of ADS but was never sworn.
There must be many people who know for sure but I think that is true, civilian only, very knowledgeable on the workings of the CPD, finance, administration, pension stuff etc. But never a copper. I might be wrong but I don't think so, it's a jungle out there.
Anonymous said...
I'm on a suburban dept. We have one in each squad and the cert and refresher is rolled into our yearly CPR training. We've saved a few people. I more like having it for our own guys incase something goes bad.
2/15/2014 10:37:00 AM
Yearly CPR training! Stop it...stop it, my side hurts from laughing so hard.
Difibbing someone sounds more like an EMS and/or Fire Department function, not law enforcement. If you are going to put a defib unit in each police station than you will have to provide an EMS Tech or fireman to operate it. Since when are the cops responsive for emergency medical services? Don't we have enough to do now, being shorthanded and all?
2/15/2014 01:49:00 PM
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whenever I see a "we are too busy" comment, i wonder if the poster really is busy or is a "i'm getting gas, station run, on a foot patrol, I'm going to the area to have my AC checked, hey sarge can I leave early" type of person. Most of the busy coppers I know just do the work and move on without complaining.
Thos devices save lives. I'd bet if someone you know and love or a co-worker fell out you'd wish one was there and someone used it to help. A good copper is supposed to want to help people, especially good people.
They could stick them in the watch commanders office, less chance of them getting stolen or messed with ! can't think there is a raging market foe black market defibs anyway !
OT When are we getting some new cars?? Our district is down about 10 cars with no pools available. All watches are sending out half the cars and everyone in doubled up. I noticed several new exempt vehicles at 35th street though.
2/15/2014 07:19:00 AM
No rush , i don't mind hanging around the district for 2 hours waiting on one ! :) Now pay me bitch !
Maybe the City should siphon off some VRI $$ for this?
just assign an EMT to every Desk crew at each police station-DUH!
I work a side job for CPS and we have one in the main office so the argument about not allowing them in city-owned buildings is moot. You don't have to train everyone on their use (even though they're pretty much goof proof). Just train the regular house mice.
2/15/2014 10:36:00 AM
Yeah ok. You can't even get them to answer the phone without bitching..
To the business owner who recently donated one to Area North. Thank you.
State law protects users of AED's even if they make a mistake.
They are dummy proof. If you can read and listen it walks you through the steps. They are made for untrained non professionals.
If it's the station why would you choose not to use it on anybody? Including prisoners?
Unsettling that some on this blog think that they should only be used on police and not on citizens if needed.
Judge grants fop a court order forcing google to give the info on who posted faces of members to youtube.
Rich Aguliar was served with papers for using fop assets for personal gain.
Bella is being sued for giving away legal defense money.
How much did lawsuits against Donahue cost us?
PLEASE do your homework before voting.
DePaul gets their ASS kicked again,,,,,how much is Rahm giving them for a place to play games they don't win and nobody will go to?
Buy Auto DeFib devices you asshole
Anonymous said...
Chicago Park District field houses have them and employees are trained in their use.
2/15/2014 07:11:00 AM
That's comforting. Next time I feel a grabber coming in I'll drive over to the closest field house. With my luck, the damn thing will be broken,
OT: http://m.chicagoreader.com/chicago/blogs/Post?basename=chicago-the-city-that-worksjust-ignore-the-poverty&day=12&id=Bleader&month=02&year=2014
I blame Burge.
I was seriously injured while attempting to arrest a teen after a riot broke out at the United Center. My heart stopped and the medical staff was able to get the AED on my in about 4 minutes. I was shocked twice and it re-started my heart beat. If it were not for the UC having the AED I would be pushing up daisies instead of hitting golf balls in Florida. That was 9 years ago. I now have one implanted in my chest. They will not function unless required.
Sgt Robert Kirchner
Happily retired
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=4232&GAID=3&GA=93&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=8430&SessionID=3&SpecSess=
The original legislation was sponsored in Illinois by Rep. D. Burke. Perhaps Dan's brother, Ald. Ed Burke had an interest in the AED's being sold in Chicago and in Illinois.
About ten years ago, when I was assigned to the Academy, I was working on a plan for training the CPD in the Defibs...R&D was working on the order...then someone at 35th street just stopped it...never knew for sure why...probably money or afraid of law suits, even though as someone mentioned...they are pretty idiot-proof. Just another great idea killed by a boss at 35th street.
HERE is a link to the CPD training video regarding hands only CPR and the use of AEDs. The video is produced by Northwestern University:
http://ccares.northwestern.edu/
We need ashtrays, and vending machines with beer, not something I'll really screw up.
Geez...
This was taken back in the 80's, and why the police shouldn't mess with the electrical stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsYqPRIMzfM
I rather not have one available. Too much liability. Maybe this is for the best. Just my opinion.
The use of these would have to be covered by the Good Samaritan Law.
Watch the video on HANDS ONLY C.P.R..
It's good but misses two important points.
1. Check and clear the mouth and throat of any obstruction.
2. Position the head back to provide a clear airway.
"EMS don't carry guns, cuffs and arrest people, and cops should not be operating medical equipment."
Don't throw a football or cook your food either. That's someone else's job.
Legit Question:
Background....smokes, drinks, doesn't exercise, and eats poorly.
Does that person deserve a defib on our tax money?
No!!!!, for the same reason that the person that smokes weed, and drops out of school doesn't deserve a taste of Chicago summer job ahead of a straight A kid that's clean.
Stop wasting money, start saving it. If your worried about a heart attack hold a screwdriver and place it into an electrical outlet as your heart stops.
2/15/2014 10:45:00 AM
You may be one of the biggest morons to comment on here in awhile. So you are the picture of health? well good for you. Comparing a copper who smokes or drinks to a shithead who smokes weed? These devices are needed in the stations FOR COPPERS...that's at least what I see them for. To everyone bitching about liability and lawsuits STFU. This job is gone to shit when we complain about a subject so important..Saving another coppers life.
"Chicago Park District field houses have them and employees are trained in their use."
2/15/2014 07:11:00 AM
"That's comforting. Next time I feel a grabber coming in I'll drive over to the closest field house. With my luck, the damn thing will be broken,"
2/15/2014 09:41:00 PM
Fieldhouse doors will be locked at 2 in the afternoon, or whenever the staff feels like it.
Dark in there...
Doesn't anyone at CPD know how to write a grant proposal?
Cicero PD lost an Officer in Roll Call due to a heart attack. The one defib unit was locked away in the Chief's Office! To 11:58's comments: EMS was backed up and took 11 minutes to get to the Front of the building. One shock with the self instructing unit would have saved the Officer's life-per autopsy!
AEDS are already covered by the Good Samaritan law. That's why they are in the airport, the Mall, the movie theater, and all kinds of places where normal people go. It is simple to use. They are placed in these areas in the hopes that when something bad happens someone in the crowd is willing to help and get involved. This would be the copper at the mall with his family. Be the wolf not the sheep that mill through life and clog everything up. You can make the difference. Help out.
Again, there is no liability for using one if you are trying to help.
Difibbing someone sounds more like an EMS and/or Fire Department function, not law enforcement. If you are going to put a defib unit in each police station than you will have to provide an EMS Tech or fireman to operate it. Since when are the cops responsive for emergency medical services? Don't we have enough to do now, being shorthanded and all?
2/15/2014 01:49:00 PM
No. You don't. I'm a nurse and I could teach you to use it at roll call. There are only two buttons. It's pretty much foolproof and designed so that people who have NO MEDICAL TRAINING can use it.
Let me ask you this: If your partner is dying and the ambulance is busy picking up mutt GSWs wouldn't you want to try and save his life?
So train all the white shirts and the desk staff. This puts guys in the station, including the secretary, and guys on the street with training.
Simple.
Seconds count when you're partner is dying.
I work at O'Hare and we have all be trained in the units. They are in all of the terminals and in our station. Easy to use, the new ones even have a video screen that walks you threw using it. The only vehicles that have them in cars are the Aviation Police not the Chicago Police.
like I said the Illinois heart rescue project will assist the City of Chicago in any way possible to get this done. There was a video CPD was supposed to watch made by Northwestern Rec'd George Chaimpas and Amer Aldeen.
Guys you cannot go wrong with these devices, they can't hurt someone, they won't shock someone who does not need it. No one wants you to play paramedic, it's all about the safety of YOU, and our citizens.
Like I said give me 15 min at a roll call to show you guys what to do. I have done this in other districts already. I have 2 boys on the job, so I'm all about doing this.
Kevin O'Rourke, I need to speak with you. Pat if you're reading this give me a call.
TO: 2/15 @ 827pm.
Hey stupid. It's an election year. So now Bella and Aguilar are guilty because someone makes allegations? What kind of a copper are you? Isn't this exactly what we bitch about when some shithead makes allegations against any of us? It's guys like you who shouldn't be allowed to wear the fucking uniform. Your partner has my sympathy. Then again. You probably don't have one.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Difibbing someone sounds more like an EMS and/or Fire Department function, not law enforcement. If you are going to put a defib unit in each police station than you will have to provide an EMS Tech or fireman to operate it. Since when are the cops responsive for emergency medical services? Don't we have enough to do now, being shorthanded and all?
wow you are exactly what is wrong with this department. its always, "isn't this someone elses job?" most cps elementary school kids could figure out how to use these things, god forbid you take time out of your busy tour of going for a personal, to gas, to lunch, to reports in the station, to learn how to potentially save a brother or sisters life. I suggest you become more informed before you post such nonsense.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Doesn't anyone at CPD know how to write a grant proposal?
2/16/2014 02:10:00 AM
That's how they finance a portion of the police department. Spending the grant money on what is intended is always a problem for the City.
Anonymous said...
I rather not have one available. Too much liability. Maybe this is for the best. Just my opinion.
2/15/2014 11:40:00 PM
Kindly get a magic marker or a tattoo of the letters "DNR" placed on your forehead so we may return the favor on the occasion of your sudden and unexpected cardiac arrest.
We do have a training program for them. Sgt Cruz and Brian Berkowitz put together an excellent CPR program and they use AED's in the training. I was recently certified as was every member of the academy staff, the XO made it mandatory. It wouldn't take anything to put everyone through an in-service program. Two shifts, 4 months tops. We had at least 15 of them in class. Where did that funding come from?
Ralph we know how great you are. The grown ups are talking. Go play with these shiny keys.
Anonymous said...
A flying elbow drop from the top rope will kick start a heart. Cooter
2/15/2014 06:06:00 PM
I never successfully got a heart to restart. Got a few to stop however.
Anonymous said...
To the business owner who recently donated one to Area North. Thank you.
2/15/2014 08:09:00 PM
Thanks indeed! Now the sergeants can use them on some of the detectives, and I use that term lightly, to some spark into their clear-up rate!
IN THE KNOW said...
Rahm and all his money buddies should kick in and buy one for each station.
I am sure he could hit up all his friends to donate cash to buy one.
Think of the PR. Think of the positive response by all the ass-kissing media "Oh Rahm did such a noble thing."
They could also hit up all the big money-making media as well. All the anchors like Ron Majers, good ol' Walter Jacobson, Zekman, Roe on WLS, John Kass, etc.
Ante up, boys and girls. Yeah right,,,,,must have been a dream.........
2/15/2014 02:24:00 AM
What about Dave Savini? If anyone sees him walking, please give him a ride. And if you see him driving, well a stop is called for. "Oh I'm sorry Dave, I thought you were Dorothy Tillman with the suspended DL and all."
Anonymous said...
Seconds count when you're partner is dying.
2/16/2014 02:30:00 AM
When time is critical, call the Fire Department. They get there quicker usually.
tazer tazer tazer
This police dept does not care!!! Never did, never will. It's a piece of garbage police dept. The Exempts make an extra 20k a year in their pension. The exempts are appointed by the Democratic Communist Machine. This police dept is completely gone. Destroyed. Phil Cline began it. McCarthy continued it. There is no one left from CPD that has the experience to run the police dept. I never thought I would say this but bring Jody back!!
unless you are bill cozzi. you stupid fuck.
There must be many people who know for sure but I think that is true, civilian only, very knowledgeable on the workings of the CPD, finance, administration, pension stuff etc. But never a copper. I might be wrong but I don't think so, it's a jungle out there.
2/15/2014 06:43:00 PM
you are wrong
I was seriously injured while attempting to arrest a teen after a riot broke out at the United Center. My heart stopped and the medical staff was able to get the AED on my in about 4 minutes. I was shocked twice and it re-started my heart beat. If it were not for the UC having the AED I would be pushing up daisies instead of hitting golf balls in Florida. That was 9 years ago. I now have one implanted in my chest. They will not function unless required.
Sgt Robert Kirchner
Happily retired
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here is an iron clad reason to have these things in every station. Sgt. Kirchner could very easily been on the floor in the station instead of at the UC. He was dead. the AED brought him back. no other way to put it.
There are some very sad and backward thinking people commenting here. The reason we should have AEDs in each building is for US. Realistically how many citizens are in a PD building at any given time? Not that many. How many POs? A LOT. No one here is talking about playing paramedic. What we are talking about is saving our own. It's the same reason people think I'm crazy for carrying a tourniquet and basic trauma kit in my person. I know that god forbid one of ours go down, I'm not going to stand there and watch them die as I wait 11 minutes for an ambulance.
Please be safe and let's look out for each other.
Doesn't anyone at CPD know how to write a grant proposal?
2/16/2014 02:10:00 AM
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There's a guy at the Academy that was brought in to write grants but he works for that lazy civilian that has a hard time showing up for work.
I don't think he's ever written for any available grants but I know he does a great job of driving that civilian and her kids in marked squad cars out to Orland Park!
Anyone have an estimate how much this would cost? Please post serious numbers. Have an idea!!!!
Rahm and his team will be distributing these machines throughout the city as soon as they figure out how to attach a credit card reader to the fu@king things.
“Clear..$$$$ Cha-Ching!!! $$$$”
I was seriously injured while attempting to arrest a teen after a riot broke out at the United Center. My heart stopped and the medical staff was able to get the AED on my in about 4 minutes. I was shocked twice and it re-started my heart beat. If it were not for the UC having the AED I would be pushing up daisies instead of hitting golf balls in Florida. That was 9 years ago. I now have one implanted in my chest. They will not function unless required.
Sgt Robert Kirchner
Happily retired
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here is an iron clad reason to have these things in every station. Sgt. Kirchner could very easily been on the floor in the station instead of at the UC. He was dead. the AED brought him back. no other way to put it.
2/16/2014 01:57:00 PM
That was exactly how he put it.
Retired CPD said...
Anyone have an estimate how much this would cost? Please post serious numbers. Have an idea!!!!
They run about $1,000 each. Then add a cabinet for them, like $200-$300. Figure you have 23 districts 5 areas (yes the "closed" ones have people in them) maybe 2 or 3 for HQ. That's somewhere in the $40,000 range. Not even as much as one new squad they won't buy us.
What am I thinking, we are talking about a city contract. Figure $2.7 million.
2/16/2014 01:57:00 PM
That was exactly how he put it.
2/16/2014 09:54:00 PM
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Thanks for weighing in, snarky!
Anonymous said...
AEDS are already covered by the Good Samaritan law. That's why they are in the airport, the Mall, the movie theater, and all kinds of places where normal people go. It is simple to use. They are placed in these areas in the hopes that when something bad happens someone in the crowd is willing to help and get involved. This would be the copper at the mall with his family. Be the wolf not the sheep that mill through life and clog everything up. You can make the difference. Help out.
Again, there is no liability for using one if you are trying to help.
2/16/2014 02:22:00 AM
I will need more than an anonymous blog posting as proof of no liability.
As to the release of liability question;
745 ILCS 49/12) Sec. 12. Use of an automatic external defibrillator; exemption from civil liability for emergency care.
Any person who has successfully completed the training requirements of a course in basic emergency care of a person in cardiac arrest that:
(i) included training in the operation and use of an automatic external defibrillator; and (ii) was conducted in accordance with the standards of the American Heart Association, and who, in good faith, not for compensation, renders emergency medical care involving the use of an automatic external defibrillator in accordance with his or her training is not liable for any civil damages as a result of any act or omission, except for willful and wanton misconduct, by that person in rendering that care.
If you were trained and you don't act like an asshat, you are covered.
Anonymous said...
Retired CPD said...
Anyone have an estimate how much this would cost? Please post serious numbers. Have an idea!!!!
They run about $1,000 each. Then add a cabinet for them, like $200-$300. Figure you have 23 districts 5 areas (yes the "closed" ones have people in them) maybe 2 or 3 for HQ. That's somewhere in the $40,000 range. Not even as much as one new squad they won't buy us.
What am I thinking, we are talking about a city contract. Figure $2.7 million.
2/17/2014 03:17:00 PM
Thank you for information!
Can the city be sued by the family of the deceased officer because the city was willfully negligent for NOT having AEDs.
If shown that the city provided people AEDs in places like the Airports or other places are they worth more than the people in neighborhood police stations.
Sounds not only negligent, it sounds downright racist to me.
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