Concealed Carry Arrives
- Illinois' first concealed carry gun licenses — about 5,000 of them — are being printed and mailed today, Illinois State Police officials said in a morning press conference.
Officials said they have received more than 50,000 applications. Those being mailed today were early approvals, mostly for those who submitted fingerprints along with their application.
So far, 300 applications have been denied. Another 800 were opposed by law enforcement officials and are still under review.
So far, no bloodbath on the streets.
So far, absolutely no training for police on how to handle Concealed Carry encounters...but for the most part, we won't be encountering the law abiding folk.
So far, absolutely no training for police on how to handle Concealed Carry encounters...but for the most part, we won't be encountering the law abiding folk.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
112 Comments:
And tonight channel 7 reported 5000 people will now be "packing heat". Packing heat. And this is what passes for news reporting. Embarrassing.
To: SCC
From: Police Superintendent Bronx Bullschitz
Subject: CONCEALED CARRY
SCC, I need another favor from you buddy. As soon as one of these CCWs lights up a deserving jagoff, crime is going to drop. How do I spin it that my crime fighting measures (and not the CCWs) were the reason there was a drop in crime?
I love you man!
XOXOXOXs
BB
PS The weather will warm up in three weeks and its SCHLITZ and streetlights time. You game?
It's pretty sad the only pic I've seen of one of these licenses was in the paper. Someone could pass me a Dick Tracy junior member card and I wouldn't know the difference. Hey we got cash to blow on a wasted and failed project like safe passage though.
Training on dealing with the CCW permit holder:
Are you armed? Yes sir/ma'am.
Where is it? In the holster here (points to holstered weapon).
Leave it there, m'k? Yes sir/ma'am.
There you have it. No one touches their firearm and everyone goes home. If the CCW'er decides to do something stupid, you still have every tactic available to you that you had before.
Stay safe,
Signed, NAC (not a cop)
Don't worry Garry, I searched around the internet until I eventually found a photo of what the permit looks like within a NBC video clip. I realize you put out an order on it last week, but I'd bet 90% of officers have no clue what the permit actually looks like.
Uhh, I beg to differ.. I watched a 6 minute training video with some of the worst acting I've ever seen... So yes we are adequately trained....not
OT maybe McCarthy should look back at NY to see foot patrol is dangerous and stupid. After a rookie NY cop was shot 6 times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/nyregion/bratton-tells-chiefs-hell-stop-sending-rookies-to-high-crime-areas.html?_r=0
Be brave. Use a little common sense and everything will work out ok
Somebody could hand me a license printed in crayon and I wouldn't know if it's real or not. At least have a two minute video of what these things are supposed to look like! This department is such a fucking joke!!
Well I expect the sky to fall and a bloodbath on the streets. All these bankers, store clerks, soccer moms, gas station owners...I expect them to come charging out like Wild Bill.
To bad they arent all elite shootists like CPD. We could show them how to strap on that iron and split those "X"'s.
Maybe we could even loan them one of our range guys and teach them how to shoot elevator doors.
Your correct that LE will not have an issue with law abiding citizens. That simple.
MS
I would like to know what's behind those 800 municipal denials.
They did put out a lame ass training bulletin that leaves you asking more questions because they addressed nothing.
I (obviously not a cop) took the CCW course and our instructor was experienced in training LEOs He told us to immediately notify the officer that we have a CCL. Do not say, "I have a gun". The officer will ask if we are armed and if so, where it is located. We should carry the CCL in an easily accessible place away from the weapon.
Cant wait to make some Money. When one of them shoots and hits the innocent person or even the person they are arguing with,
Signed A Lawyer.
There is a roll call training video
What every you do Mr Citz, don't buy your gun at Ray O'Herron. Rip off artist with the worst customer service.
Hopefully the bad guys will experience a quick lesson.
As a previous poster has mentioned, the training board has sent out a video on what to do. It was mostly common sense, however what concerns me, is that there are some folks out there who want to grab the weapon for "safe keeping". Why? Most LEO's have very little in gun handling skills to begin with, and to grab someone else's gun is just plain stupid. 49 other states have done this before us, perhaps we can learn from them.
Gee, I wonder if I could buy a fake Concealed Carry card on 26th street?
Mcfucknuts and rhambo just can't wait for the one person to screw up with the cc then they will stand at a news conference and wring their hands make a great show of how dangerous a situation we've been put into screw them that's life we wouldn't need ccw if we could ban the gangs and the criminal element that these two have let run the city along with little Richie "D" the nation as a whole has found out just how fucked up Chicago politicians are.
The guns have ALWAYS been here in Chicago, the ONLY difference is now the good guys will have them too, sure there will be a few road rage incidents, etc, and probably a few drunk or emotional idiots shot by police, but for the most part we wont even deal with those people, they are generally a part of the sane, reasonable, law abiding public who possess some common sense. not worried about it. Hopefully they also help us put some of these gangbanging shitbirds in the ground, cant wait for that.
signed
A Chicago cop
Be careful ! Many have not seen or handled a 1911, Browning high power style single action pistol or one of the .25 autos from the old days. Many of these can and will discharge if dropped.Maintain strict muzzle and trigger guard discipline at all times. ISP discovered that the old Model 39 pistols would discharge if dropped on the muzzle. Watch some Youtubes on these various pistols, self educate and know how the safeties work on these things to avoid a career ending injury. Im glad to see concealed carry, its going to be a steep learning curve for some individuals. Consider an umbrella liability insurance policy.
Anonymous said...
Somebody could hand me a license printed in crayon and I wouldn't know if it's real or not. At least have a two minute video of what these things are supposed to look like! This department is such a fucking joke!!
3/01/2014 01:40:00 AM
All that is on it is that little drawing of a pistol inside a red circle without the line through it.
Training on inventory procedures is a must! Does the gun become prisoner property for legit carrier or send it to crime lab.
If you have been running plates the past few weeks, you will see that the attached DL states" Not a concealed carry permit holder". So you can run them through LEADS and find out right away. Provided you have access to LEADS......
JAC says: Channel 7 should have had the music from the Hunger Games and said "we are now on an even playing field."
ANONYMOUS -
And tonight channel 7 reported 5000 people will now be "packing heat". Packing heat. And this is what passes for news reporting. Embarrassing.
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I agree. The Chicago Media is a bunch of liberal wussies who are clueless.
Why don't they start investigating all the corruption in Chicago?
No, they don't want to do that because then they won't get invited to any parties to shmooze with the politicians.
Chicago media = little cheerleaders for corrupt politicians they idolize.
To BB,
YOU know it's always time for a Schlitz and a little Everclear, but I can't play street light right now as it is to cold for me to be outside. I could send any of my underlings to play if you need to get some action in.
Love you too man, G
Does Illinois have reciprocity with any other jurisdictions? If so, where may one find a list?
Thank you.
- not a policeman
Last state to have CCW. If LE was having major problems with licensees we would have heard about it long ago.
"OT maybe McCarthy should look back at NY to see foot patrol is dangerous and stupid. After a rookie NY cop was shot 6 times."
Come on now!
Really....I think YOUR fear is not felt by the great majority of Chicago Police.
SCC:"So far, absolutely no training for police on how to handle Concealed Carry encounters..."
I still do not understand this.Other States for decades have allowed citizens to exercise their RIGHT to carry a firearm,openly or concealed.
Offices need to get off their high horses like this some kind of an issue.
Police carry guns like a carpenter carrys a hammer,its a tool for your trade.
citizens carry guns because its a RIGHt and they can in a lawful manner.
NON ISSUE.
Cops from Cook County would have a heart attack if they every visited a western State and saw open carry or a long guns in a pickup hanging in the back window.
They also have low crime rates,really low and no problems.Every officer knows out west that verybody got a gun and they are completely outgunned and even out trained.
The law abiding citizen is not the boogy man,the savage is.
http://image.sporttruck.com/f/9241161/0612st_06_z+1985_chevrolet_c10+gun_rack.jpg
it's gonna be an interesting, hot summer . . .
http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/picture?inviteid=7E68D3AF5544582&size=ST&ext=.JPG
Relax folks:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Z2HNk_fG3cg/SefMdgtFcJI/AAAAAAAAACQ/1w0DcHuhaj4/Only+in+Texas..gun+rack+in+back+of+truck.jpg
My POV:
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"So far, absolutely no training for police on how to handle Concealed Carry encounters...but for the most part, we won't be encountering the law abiding folk."
...and if you do, a friendly citizen should stay relaxed and just say, "Officer, I have a carry card. I have a loaded handgun under my jacket. What would you like to do here?"
Safe way for all concerned. Everybody got blood pressure, everyone these days eats enough Rolaids w/o any unnecessary surprises.
If it comes to that, ofc. should as always be careful about handling a weapon they may not be real familiar with.
...and yeah, a bulletin illustrating the card and maybe laying down a procedure would not be a bad idea, huh?
Lots of other states have this and very few problems. It is for a good cause, good reason, and I hope that it works out well here too.
Reminder to citizens -- that couple pounds is the heaviest weight you will ever carry. Don't fuck up. No mistakes, no "accidents," no excuses. Read Massad Ayoob's book, "In The Gravest Extreme."
Learn your weapon inside and out from the manual. Watch your muzzle. Keep your finger out of the trigger guard. Watch your background. Always know the condition of your weapon, and always keep it the same so you won't have to fumble around in that split-second when there is no time to think. Private business, not a conversation piece, keep it covered around strangers. Just smile and how ya doin.
You are still the same person, and should do the same things. Avoid bad areas, etc. like you always did anyway. Always de-escalate. Take the verbal hit -- asshole can't hurt you just woofin. Parking space will be there tomorrow. Walk away from trouble if you can -- backwards, keeping an eye on it.
1. Carry.
2. Pray to Almighty God that you never need to use it.
Everybody stay safe and get home safe to your family, that is the main thing.
Hey 3/01/2014 04:13:00 AM,
Maybe you could lend us civilians a certain East Coast CPD who could teach us how to shoot street lights...
So are we able to at least run these permits to see if they are valid? "Squad can you run a ccw for me?" "Are you kidding? We can't even run license plates half the time!"
So what you're saying is there are now 5000 politicians and their families running around with guns? Everybody else, DENIED!
HERE WE GO!criminals look out!yee hahhhh!
This is not good for the politicians. What is going to happen with a whole bunch of armed citizens, when the politicians do something seriously stupid, like declare martial law and try to confiscate their firearms?
Hey SCC, can I ask why you don't make your site a law enforcement only site? It's pretty sad to air our dirty laundry for the entire public to see. Shouldn't our concerns and opinions regarding our dept be kept within our dept only? I would bet you have thought about making the blog for LE only at some point.
" Anonymous said...
Well I expect the sky to fall and a bloodbath on the streets. All these bankers, store clerks, soccer moms, gas station owners...I expect them to come charging out like Wild Bill.
To bad they arent all elite shootists like CPD. We could show them how to strap on that iron and split those "X"'s.
Maybe we could even loan them one of our range guys and teach them how to shoot elevator doors.
3/01/2014 04:13:00 AM"
And water pipes, don't forget those.
as a responsible citizen, i have no problem whatsoever handing over my CCW along with the requested license with it, when/if stopped by an officer, along with the immediate location of the weapon and my hands 10/2 on the wheel. it puts both parties at ease for the rest of the encounter, plus it goes a long way to re-enforce the idea to some of the yunguns(PPO's) that responsible,LEGAL weapon owners far outnumber the illegal shitheads and that they have nothing to fear from us. stay safe officers. not a LEO.
If I happen to get pulled over for whatever (speeding?), I plan on handing my DL, Insurance card, and CCW permit to the officer.
That way if he's got a newbie I don't risk getting shot when I say "Yes, I have a concealed weapon".
My way, the Cop gets to control the situation: "OK, thank you. Where's your firearm? And I tell him."
No training, but Special Order S06-05-02 outlines what is expected of us when we encounter a CCL holder in possession of a gun. If on an investigatory or traffic stop and no arrest results, we have to complete a contact card with the CCL information.
If the CCL holder takes the gun into a prohibited location, or is "under the influence" while carrying a gun, that is an arrest and the gun is held for court evidence.
There are other instances when we would have to "inventory" a person's gun for "safekeeping" (such as a trip to the E.R. and owner has no way to secure the weapon prior to entering the hospital, or a TVB motorist who cannot secure the weapon prior to entering the police station).... once a gun is inventoried even for that reason, it cannot be released back to the owner at the police station, so a lot of red tape to get the gun released, which will eventually be picked up at ERPS.
Concealed carry arrives and socialists are pissed. They can't stand the thought of all of those "counter revolutionaries" being armed against their tyrannical policies. It sort of makes it harder to take over a country when it's not just the government that's armed.
So sorry, you pinko commie bastards. Illinois just became America again.
Anonymous said...
"Don't worry Garry, I searched around the internet until I eventually found a photo of what the permit looks like within a NBC video clip. I realize you put out an order on it last week, but I'd bet 90% of officers have no clue what the permit actually looks like. "
It looks like a foid with different colors(blue)and it says you can carry. Its similiar to a d/l.
Question: What Do You Think George Zimmerman's Response Would Be, If Asked. If You Had To Do It All Over Again Mr. Zimmerman, How Would You Handled The Situation ?
Yes, I Know All The Famous Quotes "Better To Be Tried By Twelve, Than Carried By Six" etc. etc.
Seriously, You Better Know That As A Private Citizen, Once You Pull Out A Firearm, Your Life Will Change.
Friend of mine at CCSPD told me that over 50 of the CCW permits were Issued to Parking Enforcement staff at the Finance Department.
Don't know how true that is though.
@3/01/2014 01:40:00 AM
It will probably look similar to the new IL Retired Officer CCW Card.
http://static.wixstatic.com/media/a6db3a_a7d8a683e1f04147beb327013946bc4b.png_srz_p_675_230_75_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_png_srz
"From: Police Superintendent Bronx Bullschitz,
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Grow up idiot....your childish attempts to insert yourself into police culture are just sad.
Please find another blog to troll, possibly one that you may have the first clue as to its subject matter.
No one is going to follow your childishness.
"The guns have ALWAYS been here in Chicago."
Very true, but there have always been a lot of good citizens who armed themselves against the thugs. I know quite a few senior citizens who wouldn't ride the CTA without a little something in their pocket or purse.
Paul Kersey says.....
Fuck em... Let the paramedics sort em out!
The sky is falling.
C. Little.
already seeing more alerts and reports generated for weapons stolen/taken from vehicles. 3 of 5 reports passed around for info at roll calls were police or other agency weapons.
Secure your weapon.
"those who use arms well, cultivate the Way and keep the rules. Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt." Sun Tzu, The Art of War. or why rahmmie the commie and all his fellow travellers hate CCW and law-abiding, legal weapons owners. be smart, stay safe.
Anonymous P.O. Randy Stevens, 018th District said...
No training, but Special Order S06-05-02 outlines what is expected of us when we encounter a CCL holder in possession of a gun. If on an investigatory or traffic stop and no arrest results, we have to complete a contact card with the CCL information.
If the CCL holder takes the gun into a prohibited location, or is "under the influence" while carrying a gun, that is an arrest and the gun is held for court evidence.
There are other instances when we would have to "inventory" a person's gun for "safekeeping" (such as a trip to the E.R. and owner has no way to secure the weapon prior to entering the hospital, or a TVB motorist who cannot secure the weapon prior to entering the police station).... once a gun is inventoried even for that reason, it cannot be released back to the owner at the police station, so a lot of red tape to get the gun released, which will eventually be picked up at ERPS.
3/01/2014 04:11:00 PM
I would not arrest a citizen who makes a mistake, contact card, maybe, warning, on his way. But a jagoff who has his pants down around his balls, who has the pistol loaded with no two bullets alike, the standard ghetto load, fuck him. That is the discretion I reserve for myself.
I hope and pray the first CCW license holder who needs to use their pistol in self-defense is a woman defending herself from a rape or beating. That would totally fuck up the "script" Lawn Dart and McStreetlights have. If it was a black or Hispanic woman, so much the better.
In the words of Clint Eastwood while holding a weapon "get off my lawn"
Kind of embarrassing when citizen calls district desk to ask questions about "concealed carry" and I didn't have the answers. Thanks office for the special order info.. At least we can read that. What a fine Department.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hey SCC, can I ask why you don't make your site a law enforcement only site? It's pretty sad to air our dirty laundry for the entire public to see. Shouldn't our concerns and opinions regarding our dept be kept within our dept only? I would bet you have thought about making the blog for LE only at some point.
3/01/2014 02:49:00 PM
You DO know how impossible that really is, right?
Anonymous said...
Hey SCC, can I ask why you don't make your site a law enforcement only site? It's pretty sad to air our dirty laundry for the entire public to see. Shouldn't our concerns and opinions regarding our dept be kept within our dept only? I would bet you have thought about making the blog for LE only at some point.
3/01/2014 02:49:00 PM
This site is very informative to us citizens. It lets us know what is really going on in the City and how you guys/girls are getting screwed.
I/we tend to ignore the bickering that crops up occasionally.
Stay safe
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Does Illinois have reciprocity with any other jurisdictions? If so, where may one find a list?
Thank you.
- not a policeman
3/01/2014 11:26:00 AM
No.
Hopefully for the better and not for worse
Anonymous said...
Does Illinois have reciprocity with any other jurisdictions? If so, where may one find a list?
Thank you.
- not a policeman
3/01/2014 11:26:00 AM
Try the ISP website, the same agency that issues them.
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By Maxim Duncan
KUNMING, China Sun Mar 2, 2014 12:12am EST
"(Reuters) - China will spare no effort to seek justice for a "terrorist attack" at a crowded train station, its domestic security chief said, after militants from the restive region of Xinjiang were blamed for chilling violence that killed at least 29 people.
Authorities said a group of knife-wielding "terrorists" launched a "premeditated" attack at the Kunming Railway Station late in China's southwest on Saturday night. More than 130 people were also wounded.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/02/us-china-attack-idUSBREA200OQ20140302
29 dead, 130 wounded. Knives. Just knives.
Cant wait to make some Money. When one of them shoots and hits the innocent person or even the person they are arguing with,
Yeah. That NEVER happens with cops.
The Chicago Media is a bunch of liberal wussies who are clueless.
It'll be interesting to see how many reporters will be taking advantage of the CCL...
What is going to happen with a whole bunch of armed citizens, when the politicians do something seriously stupid, like declare martial law and try to confiscate their firearms?
Most of the citizens will be screwed, just like after Hurricane Katrina.
Fortunately, there is now a federal law prohibiting police from confiscating (and "losing" many) firearms in an emergency, but how many on both side of the law know about the federal prohibition?
Hey SCC, can I ask why you don't make your site a law enforcement only site? It's pretty sad to air our dirty laundry for the entire public to see. Shouldn't our concerns and opinions regarding our dept be kept within our dept only? I would bet you have thought about making the blog for LE only at some point.
How would you verify that a reader is a LEO?
Anonymity would be gone-your identity would be traceable.
The citizens have a right to know what's going on with the police department and the city. SCC is one of the best outlets for the truth.
rb
Question: What Do You Think George Zimmerman's Response Would Be, If Asked. If You Had To Do It All Over Again Mr. Zimmerman, How Would You Handled The Situation ?
Yes, I Know All The Famous Quotes "Better To Be Tried By Twelve, Than Carried By Six" etc. etc.
Seriously, You Better Know That As A Private Citizen, Once You Pull Out A Firearm, Your Life Will Change.
3/01/2014 04:40:00 PM
Only if you stick around...................
Make sure there are no cameras. Lose the gun and never tell a sole. NEVER. Not even you rwife/ husband/
I have far more concern for the CPD officers then the lawfully armed citizens. Most coppers in this city are barely profecient in the use of firearms. Let them handle anything but an idiot proof wheelgun or semi and anything is possible. This is a culture where the statement "Oh Im not a gun nut" is spoken with pride.
My God but people are easy to brainwash. Even LEOs who are SUPPOSED to be knowledgeable in the use and care of firearms.
I expect there to be some problems. We just have to many incompetant people on the job hired and/or promoted for all the wrong reasons. They will get nervous when stopping a lawfully armed citizen and there will be problems.
I also believe the Dept. heads and Politicians are helping set up conflicts to bash the legislation. Thats why there has been no training and so many of these drones have been walking around District stations saying how they fear these new permit holders.
Anonymous said...
Does Illinois have reciprocity with any other jurisdictions? If so, where may one find a list?
Thank you.
- not a policeman
3/01/2014 11:26:00 AM
http://www.handgunlaw.us/
Anonymous said...
Hey SCC, can I ask why you don't make your site a law enforcement only site? It's pretty sad to air our dirty laundry for the entire public to see. Shouldn't our concerns and opinions regarding our dept be kept within our dept only? I would bet you have thought about making the blog for LE only at some point.
3/01/2014 02:49:00 PM
Wha wha wha,you must be one of those delusional golden boy types.Dont want the public to know the politics,corruptions and worse of ALL PDs.Policing is RIFE with fuckup and retards and worse.
Gang infiltrators,mob plants,affirmative action hires,murders,rapists,drug dealers.
Just because it wears blue does not make it "true".
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Does Illinois have reciprocity with any other jurisdictions? If so, where may one find a list?
Thank you.
- not a policeman
3/01/2014 11:26:00 AM
No. (CPS grad)
3/01/2014 08:21:00 PM
yes,our neighbor Michigan recognizes our IL permit.Non CPS grad and college educated from a real Univeristy.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/
Anonymous said...
Kind of embarrassing when citizen calls district desk to ask questions about "concealed carry" and I didn't have the answers. Thanks office for the special order info.. At least we can read that. What a fine Department.
3/01/2014 07:59:00 PM
Here ay go kiddies.Study and be informed.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/
https://ccl4illinois.com/ccw/public/home.aspx
50,000+ have applied so far and it will grow and grow.get over it.The Constitution is slowing making a comeback in Illinois.
"Another 800 were opposed by law enforcement officials and are still under review."
These are local beefs that PDs have with people,politicals as usual.
"Another 800 were opposed by law enforcement officials and are still under review."
Shall Issue???
Why CCW is important:
http://clashdaily.com/2014/02/wicked-snow-mobiler-shoots-kills-attacking-moose-glock-graphic-video/
Anonymous said...
Does Illinois have reciprocity with any other jurisdictions? If so, where may one find a list?
Thank you.
- not a policeman
3/01/2014 11:26:00 AM
I seriously doubt Illinois will ever grant reciprocity, Illinois is full of pussies for legislators regarding guns. The assholes around Chicago had to have the Supreme and Appeals Courts at the Federal level require them to get concealed carry going. They still don't want to do it.
Downstate it is a different story. Reasonable people there but Chicago fucks up the whole state.
Don't look for reciprocity anytime soon, the first permits just got mailed out.
Anonymous said...
Friend of mine at CCSPD told me that over 50 of the CCW permits were Issued to Parking Enforcement staff at the Finance Department.
Don't know how true that is though.
3/01/2014 04:40:00 PM
That would be a good lawsuit against the City. I doubt the City wants them carrying guns. They won't allow the sworn Aviation Police at O'Hare carry on-duty. They train them at O'Hare and make them qualify and then forbid them from carrying on duty. That is typical City of Chicago, they don't trust the Aviation Police they hire and train.
Probably Rosemarie Andolino says No Guns, so the Aviation Police don't carry guns. In a real emergency they call CPD.
Always assume that the person that you are dealing with is armed. As far as what to do? Nothing needs to be done unless you are in a situation where you may need to make an arrest or a volatile scenario exists. Most CCW classes teach the person to inform the Officer politely that he has a CCW and inform the Officer where the firearm is and ask how to proceed.
Unfortunately, CCW as is going to be practiced here is heavily biased against some of the most vulnerable groups that could most use the protection. No carry for users of public transportation. Can't take it in here, can't take it in there, signs all over. "You can always leave it in your car."
Uh -- not everyone has a car.
(Official response -- sound of crickets, a chip bag blows down the empty street)
Someone waiting on an "L" platform, or riding their bike, or walking to the store, or struggling along on a hoveround cart (battery doesn't charge so good anymore and maybe it craps when you're halfway there...) to get their prescriptions, is far more of a target for criminals than is someone whisking by in a locked automobile. If anyone needs protection, it is them -- yet they are largely cut out of the system.
...and it's not like you're magically safe inside a major retail store -- not with Baggy there hanging near the ATM flipping imaginary b-balls and pretending to study the ceiling. "Security" is driving around in aimless circles out in the parking lot with a flashing light going. Not even safe in a hospital -- anything can get in there.
Not even safe in the lobby of the glitziest Mag Mile hotel -- remember the elderly cancer doctor who got knifed? "Doesn't count as street crime. It happened in a (sniff of disdain) men's room," said our mayor -- who has never taken a dump in his whole life, or course.
Might as well go back to "keep it in your house only, and don't even take it back through the yard to take the trash out, and don't have it with you out on the porch where you might like to sit."
"Them as has, gits" -- and screw the poor, the disabled, the elderly, the worker ants. Face it -- the implementation of this law involves what is essentially income/resource screening -- and the less you have, the less you get.
It is laid down very plainly by the actions of The Governing Authority that some people's lives simply aren't worth as much as other people's. Thus has it ever been...
act one,scene one:
inside a Chicago holding cell:
two people,
man says,"hey what are you here for?"
gangbanger "I killed two people in a driveby,judge gave me six months,what are you here for?"
man "I dropped my ccw pistol on ground,judge gave me thirty years"
It's pretty sad the only pic I've seen of one of these licenses was in the paper. Someone could pass me a Dick Tracy junior member card and I wouldn't know the difference. Hey we got cash to blow on a wasted and failed project like safe passage though.
3/01/2014 12:22:00 AM
And there's plenty of money to build a park in the name of Shortshank's wife.
it's starting already--- 2 suggestions for all you civilians who read this site--- never get into a taxicab if the taxi driver has a mohawk haircut--- never ask a man wearing a black p coat and watch cap with a bad mustache if he has a light....
Anonymous said...
Kind of embarrassing when citizen calls district desk to ask questions about "concealed carry" and I didn't have the answers. Thanks office for the special order info.. At least we can read that. What a fine Department.
3/01/2014 07:59:00 PM
It's been there for awhile, instead of parading around the station while doing hump desk work you would've read that. Put the personal laptops away and fucking read the order instead of complaining about how bad you have it sitting in a warm station all day on your ass.
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Anonymous said...
Does Illinois have reciprocity with any other jurisdictions? If so, where may one find a list?
Thank you.
- not a policeman
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Illinois has no "reciprocity", but there is more to it than that.
Illinois does not offer full recognition of any other permits. Non-residents who can carry in their home states can however carry while in their vehicles.
There are quite a few other states that will recognize the Illinois permit, 15 I think at this time, in addition to the three "Constitutional carry" states where no permit is required for non-residents. As luck would have it, most of the adjacent or nearby states to Illinois will recognize an Illinois permit as they recognize all permits non-discriminately. There are also likely to be a handful of additional states who will add recognition of IL permits.
I work for CPD. I am PISSED we do not have any training for this. Why do we have to go sit for 8 hours in the academy for training on being polite to Muslims etc but the biggest law change in recent Chicago history deserves not training for police officers except a 4 page stapled order. It's bullshit. No one on the beat cars has ANY idea what they can or can't do in regards to guns. If you're listening "management" please do something about this before the countless lawsuits costing the city millions happen.
http://handgunlaw.us/states/illinois.pdf this has a map showing the states that will currently recognize the IL license.
Anonymous said...
Kind of embarrassing when citizen calls district desk to ask questions about "concealed carry" and I didn't have the answers. Thanks office for the special order info.. At least we can read that. What a fine Department.
3/01/2014 07:59:00 PM
Refer them to the Illinois State Police. ISP is very likely to know the law. Or most well run suburban departments. But here? In this shitbag city? No fucking way. Training is a bad word here. That's one reason they shitcanned Gary Schenkel, he was a former USMC Colonel, he knew the value of good training and benged the drum about it. City Hall escorted him out of the training academy and fired him immediately upon Terry Hilliard's retirement. You ever see a high ranking police boss escorted off City property by two civilian Daley hacks with a box of his shit and told not to come back? They insulted a former Marine Colonel that way. Daley and his crew weren't fit to wash the man's shorts. I don't know why he came back.
3/02/2014 09:44:00 AM
There is an Internal Grievance ongoing against the city by SEIU for interfering with Aviation Police carrying since they had to get state certification.
As for CCL's being issued to Revenue staffers.
No Lawsuit potential at all. Its a private carry license. Wouldn't be considered valid inside a city building since they are not CPD or CCSPD or ISP.
Hell...I'm from Michigan...I keep my Michigan ID up to date and refuse to get a FOID. I also have a Michigan CCW.
I don't need a FOID to buy ammo in Michigan nor do I need it to get my 1 gun a year.
The first CCW in Chicago to blow a copper jacketed breath mint through Dude's dental work in self defense is surely going to be made an example of.
Although it would be more than entertaining to see the look on Dude's face as his front teeth exit through the hole at the base of his skull...
"Smile m/fer!"
>FLASH!-BOOM!<
Packing Heat ABC 7 News. How about "The Right To Aim And Fire"
Make sure there are no cameras. Lose the gun and never tell a sole. NEVER. Not even you rwife/ husband/
3/02/2014 01:20:00 AM
If you are talking to the bottom of your shoe, you should not have a gun.
Working class citizens with a gun-leave them alone.Shitheads pimp the shit out of them,pull a number.Easy Peasy.
I don't make fancy training videos filmed in the dark with no lighting, but let me give you a quick training.
I see gun = bad.
Gun pointed in my general direction= kill said motherfucker.
I don't see gun = good
Anonymous said...
Why CCW is important:
http://clashdaily.com/2014/02/wicked-snow-mobiler-shoots-kills-attacking-moose-glock-graphic-video/
3/02/2014 07:51:00 AM
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I wasn't there but from the video, it looks like the snowmobiler could be guilty of moose murder.
The Moose does not attack, until the snowmobiler advances. Once the snowmobiler moves toward the Moose, the Moose feels threatened.
Don't know what occurred before the video stars, but don't know that matters. There was a safe distance between the Moose and snowmobiler, until the snowmobiler advanced toward the Moose.
If the Moose were a person, the Snowmobiler could be guilty of murder.
JMHO
This video should be shown in all CCW classes.
Only in Illinois:
Real estate agents grapple with Illinois' new gun law
By Mary Ellen Podmolik
5:52 AM CST, March 3, 2014
Chicago Tribune
Real estate for-sale and open-house signs could be accompanied by another placard in the spring housing market -- the state’s new, official ‘no guns’ sign.
With the state’s concealed carry gun law in effect, and the first 5,000 licenses in the mail, real estate firms are starting to grapple with a person’s ability to carry a concealed weapon into a real estate office, an agent’s car and a seller’s home.
The Illinois Association of Realtors late last week issued a consent form that real estate firms and their agents can present, if they choose, to sellers so homeowners can make it clear whether they would allow a potential buyer with a concealed firearm inside their property. If a seller decides to prohibit it, an agent would put the state-authorized sign, a drawing of a black gun with a red circle and line through it, outside the home during all showings and open houses.
"Sponsoring broker assumes no other duty than those duties expressly set forth herein and disclaims any and all responsibility for any personal injury or property damage caused by any guest or invitee who enters your premises," the consent form also states.
“We’ll put up signage, but we’re not going to put the brokers in the position of frisking down people as they walk through an open house,” said John Kauerauf, an attorney for the 41,000-member trade group.
As for CCL's being issued to Revenue staffers.
Yeah right. No fucking way the "city" is telling these guys to get them. It's been in the personnel rules forever that City workers cannot carry any sort of weapon unless specifically authorized to do so(CPD etc.). Any city worker with a ccl be aware you will be fired if you get caught with a roscoe while on the clock. The city would rather pay out a death claim than to have you defend yourself from some spawn of satan, who reeks of day old blunt, stale flamin hots and revrun ass.
"If you are talking to the bottom of your shoe, you should not have a gun."
3/03/2014 05:46:00 AM
Didn't Secret Agent Maxwell Smart have a phone in his shoe? You swiveled the heel aside and there was the rotary dial.
Me, I want a "Cone Of Silence."
Got my new store defense weapon!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAFWfzrvIrE
Slidefire!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo4kFzECXGs
"The Illinois Association of Realtors late last week issued a consent form that real estate firms and their agents can present, if they choose, to sellers so homeowners can make it clear whether they would allow a potential buyer with a concealed firearm inside their property."
3/03/2014 11:28:00 AM
How about a consent form for an armed REAL ESTATE AGENT on their property? How many hundreds have applied for CCW so far? They are terrified of showing houses, condos, even apartments one flight up because of all the robberies, rapes, etc. "Keep your cell phone on speed dial 911 and in your hand at all times..."
Huh?
Sauce for goose, sauce for gander.
"How about a consent form for an armed REAL ESTATE AGENT on their property?"
3/04/2014 11:02:00 PM
Why not? Seller no better trained than buyer. Quite possibly less knowledgeable than buyer. At any rate, same process, same card, should be same treatment.
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