Here Come the Clowns.....
- Dan K. Webb — the special prosecutor who said he was unable to charge Chicago police officers with breaking any state law for botching an investigation into a nephew of former Mayor Richard M. Daley — turned over all of his evidence to the FBI last June, the Chicago Sun-Times has learned.
Some police officers involved in the case — in which files went missing and the special prosecutor said that a key police finding apparently was fabricated — may be under investigation for similar activities in other cases, according to a sealed court document obtained by the newspaper.
Webb’s request to a judge for permission to turn over the files to the FBI came as he was wrapping up his investigation into how the Chicago Police Department and the Cook County state’s attorney’s office twice failed to charge Daley nephew Richard J. “R.J.” Vanecko in the 2004 death of David Koschman.
Webb got permission to give the evidence to four FBI agents “who have experience and expertise with police corruption investigations,” according to the court documents. Those documents are sealed under a court order issued by Cook County Circuit Judge Michael P. Toomin, who appointed Webb to investigate the Koschman case.
As we said, this is going to be used as a regular club to beat the Department with. And unless we're badly mistaken, Walsh is going to be Exhibit A in this disaster - unless he flips for a better seat on the bus. We fully expect someone is already looking to cut a deal on this and when the music stops, several someones might not have chairs.
Any predictions on another wholesale restructuring of the D unit?
Any predictions on another wholesale restructuring of the D unit?
Labels: corruption, department issues
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
233 Comments:
Law enforcement corruption vs. law enforcement corruption. Not so?
This is what happens when you sell your soul for a gold star
I was a PPO when one N Denis, he was an arrogant prick then.
Dean Andrews was also a prick as a PO, insufferable as a Sgt, intolerable as a LT and miserable to work under when he became exempt.
There won't be too many tears shed when those two get hit by the Federal Bus
If half of what was reported in the grand jury report is true, these guys better try and figure out what they need to do to keep themselves out of the MCC. The media has either been instructed, or decided that due to his history that Walsh was the fall guy.
Either way, all these guys had the opportunity to help out the little guy who didn't have the clout or connections to stand up against the machine. Instead they vilified Koschman, and made him to be the aggressor to make sure the status quo continued uninterrupted. They refused to defend those who were unable to defend themselves. Shame on all of you.
Supervisor should have no say in an investigation.
Any boss who calls for updates should be logged on a GPR.
New affairs should get no updates unless it is formally requested in writing.
Gary you probably dont know what any of this gibberish is i typed so go over to the Detective side of HQ! and ask Riccio.
The clouted leak shit like it is a free promotion.
Tell me all your secrets, you have immunity. Oh did I forget to tell you, only from me.
If they don't get the results they want, try try again, but what if there is nothing?
I made a comment many months ago-and many laughed- Supervisors in D Unit will be indicted.
Some has to give up Daley but I Anita is the first to be w/o a chair when the music stops.
Why is it that only the pawns, the soldiers, the lowest rungs on the ladder are always the ones who get tossed under the bus?
Well people remember this! Just about everybody here was a merit hack. The favors were called in and it back fired on them . They never thought Vanecko would plead guilty. Well guess what ? He did. You thought that next promotion was worth it. You have a sgt who made dick with 3 years on the job? Oh no he's not connected. Give me a break. You guys rolled the dice and in the end you are probably losing your job, pension, and self respect. And for what? To help
The Daley crime family. Remember what they did to Cozzi for a pimp slap? Get ready. This is going to get ugly.
Retired Area 5 Dick.
But will this lead to an indictment of Daley, Short Shanks himself??
This is the problem with how people are promoted in this department. Those promoted to prime spots, like in the d-unit, narcotics, etc., are promoted with the expectation that they will toe the company line (herein, meaning the Daley Clan line) without question and without being told to do so.
The department is a political fiefdom: do something for Daley, and get promoted. Carrothers was a perfect example. One week after Carrothers the alderman goes to jail on federal charges (without giving up the king, without being a stepping stone up to the top of the throne), Carrothers the sergeant gets promoted to lieutenant in the D-unit, and shortly after that stint, gets promoted to Commander. Not because of his abilities to lead, but most likely because of his brother's silence: because his brother didn't snitch.
And the promotional system has to be fixed from the top, but if the top is corrupt, then the top certainly won't have a system in place that puts people with integrity anywhere near the king or even inside the castle gates. Those with integrity can stand outside and guard the moat.
Back to the vanecko fiasco, if those fools don't get indicted, watch, they will get promoted again.
Chicago is not a democracy: it's still in medieval times.
Heard violent crimes will stop handling homicides too after this revelation. RBT to handle homicides starting third period.
"Some police officers involved in the case — in which files went missing and the special prosecutor said that a key police finding apparently was fabricated — may be under investigation for similar activities in other cases, according to a sealed court document obtained by the newspaper."
Just speculating out loud here, but might Deputy Chief of Detectives Constantine G. “Dean” Andrews, Sgt. Samuel J. Cirone III, Cmdr. Joseph P. Salemme, Det. James G. Gilger, Det. Nicholas J. Spanos and Lt. Denis P. Walsh be the "Scandal Six Pack"?
No doubt it was one hell of a cacophony of assholes slamming shut when this news broke. Followed by a switchboard-clogging amount of nervous-as-fuck phone calls to lawyers and coworkers, both active and retired.
I love the irony of Vanecko once again being a free man as these pathetic bastards that sold their souls to the Daley Crime Family are scrambling to hide assets, shelling out small fortunes for lawyers and figuring out the easiest way to tell the [ex]wife[s] and kids that daddy may have to go to jail.
Mrs. Koschman may get the second best Christmas present ever this year.
Hmmmmm.!!??? Richie Daley got another confused attack coming on real soon. Lol! Hope he rots!
Terrific. The cops stand to lose more than Vanecko.
Only in Crook County.
rb
Like I said before....the guys at 219 S. Dearborn are looking into this case.
The officers who helped Vanecko are all clout babies who owe their political sponsors . Be assured none of the politicians (Daley Crime Family, Inc.) will be investigated or prosecuted. The Chicago Way.
Those six officers should have been charged .
This is a human being that vanecko killed . I hope the FBI get to the bottom of this and charge these idiots .
The detective division should be held responsible for doing there job everyone wants a check but no one wants to work amazing . It is time to change the way detective division unit functions what do they do for the amount of hours they work how many cases do they solve have of them might not even know what the fuck they are doing . Let let to the bottom of this so we can save the embarrassment to this department .
may be if we alternated supervisor from patrol to detective division there might be cases solved for those supervisor who work in the detective division what the hell do you supervise .
now we are face with FBI investigating this issue. oh well no better for whomever though they can get away with this .
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Supervisor should have no say in an investigation.
Any boss who calls for updates should be logged on a GPR.
New affairs should get no updates unless it is formally requested in writing.
Gary you probably dont know what any of this gibberish is i typed so go over to the Detective side of HQ! and ask Riccio.
Maybe no one ever told you, BUT, that is what a boss is supposed to do, ask what you are doing because they are your supervisor. But if he or she tells you how to rewrite your report, that's another thing and you be the fool to do it. That's when you put that name in a GPR "was told by Sgt. Lt. Cmdr. Etc, etc, etc....
Time to promote a large new class of fresh Detectives.
Daley should be charge with lying
The Koschman Six played with fire and now they are all going to burn. No 10-1 party for you or your family. Go see Daley, I'm sure he'll help house guys out.
Burn all the coppers involved in covering up for that shitbag. Really? Let's cover up for a guy whose uncle has shorted our pension fund year after year and he, the RJV, has taken pension money for "investments" that went sour? Yeah, that's the guy CPD should do a cover up for. Way to use any "discretion" (SARCASM).
MTS 009
Hopefully the bosses will finally get pinched. It's always the low level police officer that gets jammed doing what the bosses want. It's always been that way and in this case everyone knows the bosses controlled how this case went down. No boss would ever go after a Daley no matter what.
It's absolutely amazing how these assclowns are laughing at this. From Andrews to Salemme Walsh to Cirone, its been a running g joke we are the smartest, no one can prove shit, we run this. They sound like gangsters. Hasn't anyone put the dots together? Don't forget these four also worked that Sgt. Who stole the millions from the sergeants union. These four all worked in the same office for years. They did many things together at A/4. and lets not forget Peterson who lead them and purchased Salemme's house at a special price. The toilet not only needs flushing but it needs the sides to be brushed too, with bleach. Don't forget to spray the Fabreeze cause it stinks in the D with these pieces of shit in charge. And did anyone forget that all four are teaching classes at Homicide Certification classes. I freaked out when Walsh, Salemme and Cerone each taught a class, what a crock of misrepresentation. These four have got to go........they have soiled this department. Dylan Hata
The coverup is as obvious as the sunrise. It's time for the bosses to hang for what they did.
Anyone that believes ANY CPD brass chose to defend Daleys nephew without even a phone call coming from city hall is naive as fuck. Wake the fuck up people this all came from the 5th floor, PERIOD! Sure there are clout bosses that were involved but these decisions were made above
Hurry, first one on the bus will get the best seat. What did you just say? I can't believe the bus is filling up so fast.
Ok FBI, start looking as far back as 2005.
When the first CR number was pulled by family members because Detectives did nothing and when it went infront of wicked boss of IAD, it was closed
Then ask why when it all came back in 2010 and 2011 Jody requested the re-investigation which was closed by Detectives again...and another CR was pulled and closed in one day........by IAD
The exempts all knew it from the 1st week of the criminal investigation but they all buried it.
Area 3 was buring the matter. If you doubt it Ask the ASA handling the sex assault case that happen on major holiday but was never investigated until ASA forced the matter after interviewing the victim........Hey FBI what happen to that CR for detectives not investigating the CSA?
Live by the clout, die by the clout.
i bet shortshanks is cleared!
How could Webb give immunity when he didn't have the authority to charge in the first place?
Fuck'em all!
Help daley inc. avoid prosecution, go to jail.
Hey Toomin. Shouldn't you get another special prosecutor to find out who leaked the file you sealed? What are you going to do about it?
Nothing will happen. There's nothing that can be proved other than the dicks thought it might be self-defense. Walsh is untouchable.
This has the potential of making the Abbate incident look like a side show. I can just see the lawsuits from defendant after defendant about dicks fabricating reports and statements (ala Burge scenario about torture)until millions are paid out in settlements.
Those six officers should have been charged .
This is a human being that vanecko killed . I hope the FBI get to the bottom of this and charge these idiots .
The detective division should be held responsible for doing there job everyone wants a check but no one wants to work amazing . It is time to change the way detective division unit functions what do they do for the amount of hours they work how many cases do they solve have of them might not even know what the fuck they are doing . Let let to the bottom of this so we can save the embarrassment to this department .
may be if we alternated supervisor from patrol to detective division there might be cases solved for those supervisor who work in the detective division what the hell do you supervise .
now we are face with FBI investigating this issue. oh well no better for whomever though they can get away with this .
You are a grade A asshole, how dare you say a Policeman should be charged, here is an idea drunky stop posting at 0430 after coming home from the tavern, how did you get home? Did you drive? You should be CHARGED!!!!!
To whom it may concern:
Good Luck sleeping at night
The new U.S. Attorney Zach Fardon is looking to make a splash, and these idiots throw themselves right into the water push the easy button at staples they are on a platter. Thanks to the FBI and Zach Fardon please do the job and put away whoever, we have a murdered child here, a mother with no clout, I'm not a big fan of the sun-times but this time they did it right, keep up the heat! Wonder how many will be on the federal bus? Will it be full? Sorry been a copper many years the coppers that did this your not "the police" your coward political hacks!
At 2/26/2014 01:11:00 AM Anonymous said...
Why is it that only the pawns, the soldiers, the lowest rungs on the ladder are always the ones who get tossed under the bus?
>>>>>>>>>>
Very simple. Because that bus is being pushed through the shit that is Shitcago by those very pawns and soldiers (or whoring idiots, if you prefer). The clouted are riding along in air conditioned comfort as these worthless slugs sell their souls for one more bump up the ladder or a chance for a gold star. The clouted are safely seat belted into their seats to protect them in case one of the pawns "slips and falls beneath" the wheels of that bus.
I know some of the detectives involved. Nick Spanos and Jim Gilger are great detectives. They're good guys who work hard, have values and integrity. They wouldn't jeopardize their jobs or families for anything. I'm proud to say they're friends of mine. The Sun-Times is a liberal, anti police rag. It's saddens and sickens me that police officers would hope that fellow police officers lose their jobs, get sued and prosecuted based on what a paper prints. Some of you don't even know these men and you're judging them based on what you read. They're being thrown under the bus. You never know when it can happen to you. If it did, I'm sure the last thing you would want is fellow police officers judging you. Hang in there guys.
But there are no Blue Shirts in the D unit ,,,
Anonymous said...
Like I said before....the guys at 219 S. Dearborn are looking into this case.
2/26/2014 03:09:00 AM
and who might that be?
219 S. Dearborn?
come on now...surely you jest?
do you even have a clue what is at that address?
Remember not one White Shirt got indicted in the SOS scandal
The coppers will end up with more time than Vanecko! It will be a travesty if the two named detectives go down. They are honorable guys. The supervisors, not so much.
No Ill will for any of the ass-clowns that helped the Daley clan. Richie has a nice spot next to his wife who's been keeping it nice and warm...along with the condemning fires of hell! This is the Daley war machine at its finest. Be happy to have helped the Daleys once again skate by while you will be doing the major time. First count, lying to the FBI. Maybe you'll have a cell next to Blago, share stories. And "Just following orders," didn't work at the Nuremberg Trials, so safe to say it won't work here neither. First sign of knowing your f@#ked, all your "clout" stop returning your calls.
I think 90% of the critics here have never been detectives and mother fuck the dics if they don't get felony charges approved everytime.
This case is not a shining example of CPDs best work, but if Webb didn't find anything then I doubt the FBI will either. The FBI likes sure things and I don't see that here at all.
Other than maybe Walsh retiring and a few of the others getting shuffled around I don't see much changing.
I think some of you are putting too much faith in the opinion of the SunTimes and the media. You know the same media that screws us every time a copper breaks wind. You can write a book on how many times the media has lied by ommission or taken information and misrepresented it. Look at how many times they have referred to Manning/Mandell as a former Chicago cop.
Area 3 L.T. get's $60 K in O.T., Sgt get's $40 K in O.T.? Come on now What's going on. Really?
Those six officers should have been charged .
This is a human being that vanecko killed . I hope the FBI get to the bottom of this and charge these idiots .
The detective division should be held responsible for doing there job everyone wants a check but no one wants to work amazing . It is time to change the way detective division unit functions what do they do for the amount of hours they work how many cases do they solve have of them might not even know what the fuck they are doing . Let let to the bottom of this so we can save the embarrassment to this department .
may be if we alternated supervisor from patrol to detective division there might be cases solved for those supervisor who work in the detective division what the hell do you supervise .
now we are face with FBI investigating this issue. oh well no better for whomever though they can get away with this .
2/26/2014 04:23:00 AM
Call your parents and tell them to call your college, high school and grade school and demand a full refund, you are a moron. Do you even read what you post.
On a side note it is nice that you can sit back and wish other Police a trip to the joint. You are what is wrong with this job, not the Detectives. I worked with all of these people and can tell you that the Detectives did nothing wrong here and should not be held accountable for bosses actions. They are two of the best Detectives I know and are so pro police it isn't even funny. But hey lets jump on the media bandwagon and put them in jail.
You are an asshole plain and simple.
Perhaps when the feebs get done running these goofs over, they'll put the bus in reverse and run that mumbling, stuttering prick down as he stumbles across the parking lot with his pants full of shit and blubbering like the fat, wet-eyed punk he is.
It would be a good thing if Rahm, Rauner, Msall et al get splattered with some shit at impact... Fuck 'em for standing close as it was in furtherance of all manner of grief, aggravation and fuckery in Chicago.
>VROOOOM! Pop! Pop-KABLAAM! (shift gears) VROOOOOOOM!<
Drive the shit outta that muthafuckin' bus!
Hopefully this is the first act in destroying all that is clout in Chicago.
>THUMP! Squish-Puke&Shit-Splat!<
Viva Hate.
DW, was always cool in 018. Always!
They will probably give it to the same FBI that is investigating Benghazi and the IRS scandal,.Holder and Fast and Furious.,the NSA, Entitlements fraud, the abuses of the Constitution, the bankruptcy of America, George Soros, and the destruction of American military.
as long as the scum bags get tagged....
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahhahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!
Everyone just keep in mind the bottom line here.
Vanecko should never have been charged.
Shortshanks has already reserved a room at Northwestern Hospital.
OT: Rumor is next Sergeants class in March. Going to be larger than 30 that was being originally talked about. Good luck to those on the bubble.
They all made the choice to deny the victim justice for a future payoff. Good riddance. They should be ashamed to wear their badges.
The worst part is that no one at city hall is going to be held accountable for directing this nightmare.
All I can say it is about time. But all these detectives and commanders did was follow what has been done by others for many years. The culture was established long before their time. Daley made the detective division a patronage heaven overshadowing many fine detective with unqualified merit hacks.The entire process needs to be redone, to include reporting and file indexing, supervision of investigations and assignment of cases. Plus, add more detectives and establish a baseline of qualification for supervisors, not some political hack .
Those six officers should have been charged .
This is a human being that vanecko killed . I hope the FBI get to the bottom of this and charge these idiots .
The detective division should be held responsible for doing there job everyone wants a check but no one wants to work amazing . It is time to change the way detective division unit functions what do they do for the amount of hours they work how many cases do they solve have of them might not even know what the fuck they are doing . Let let to the bottom of this so we can save the embarrassment to this department .
may be if we alternated supervisor from patrol to detective division there might be cases solved for those supervisor who work in the detective division what the hell do you supervise .
now we are face with FBI investigating this issue. oh well no better for whomever though they can get away with this .
2/26/2014 04:23:00 AM
I hope you read this after you woke up and realized you have a problem.
The fed's had to take over the case because Chief Rivera and IAD unit could not sustain a case to save their lives....Am i right Juan?
MASTERS, MASTERS, MASTERS
Get ready, you are also part of this scandal. Daddy cannot help you get out of this one!
Anonymous said...
Terrific. The cops stand to lose more than Vanecko.
Only in Crook County.
rb
2/26/2014 02:21:00 AM
Do you think the Daley Crime Family is appreciative of favors done for them?
All those bozos had to do was their job like they were sworn to do. It isn't "I swear to uphold the law except if the offender is named Daley, Vanecko, Thompson, Conroy or is through blood or marriage related to any of the aforementioned names..."
Pensions flying away, careers up in smoke, freedom in jeopardy. Nice work boys.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hmmmmm.!!??? Richie Daley got another confused attack coming on real soon. Lol! Hope he rots!
2/26/2014 02:17:00 AM
He's scrootening the newspapers right now, or maybe he is having someone reading it to him, explaining the big words to him along the way.
All involved from exempt command staff to detectives , body guards that had a part in cover up.
2/26/2014 04:23:00 AM
Go back to bed and when you wake up and are coherent enough to speak, ask mommy if you can play on the computer.
Walsh sold his soul to the Daley clan...no sympathy here. The one chance to fuck King Richie ...
Say what you will about the D unit and I agree that they did in fact err in this investigation but fault lies in the Felony Review Unit if the State's Attorney office. Being a retired guy who spent decades in homicide I have seen FRU act as judge and jury when approving charges. Kevin O'Brien was one one the worse. This is an on going problem. They
completely dismiss probable cause. But that said, while Koschman was still alive the deputy superintendent could have charged with aggravated battery on a public way by overruling the Fru. That would have put the case where it belonged in the judicial system and CPD would have done their job. Why no one asked for an override to protect themselves was pure stupidity.
But will this lead to an indictment of Daley, Short Shanks himself??
This is the problem with how people are promoted in this department. Those promoted to prime spots, like in the d-unit, narcotics, etc., are promoted with the expectation that they will toe the company line (herein, meaning the Daley Clan line) without question and without being told to do so.
The department is a political fiefdom: do something for Daley, and get promoted. Carrothers was a perfect example. One week after Carrothers the alderman goes to jail on federal charges (without giving up the king, without being a stepping stone up to the top of the throne), Carrothers the sergeant gets promoted to lieutenant in the D-unit, and shortly after that stint, gets promoted to Commander. Not because of his abilities to lead, but most likely because of his brother's silence: because his brother didn't snitch.
And the promotional system has to be fixed from the top, but if the top is corrupt, then the top certainly won't have a system in place that puts people with integrity anywhere near the king or even inside the castle gates. Those with integrity can stand outside and guard the moat.
Back to the vanecko fiasco, if those fools don't get indicted, watch, they will get promoted again.
Chicago is not a democracy: it's still in medieval times.
Thank Jody Weis for this. Weis had the chance to intervene earlier in this investigation and make sure Steve Petersen had it done right but he didn't. Despite having an iron clad million dollar Daley contract he looked the other way while this investigation went into the sewer.
I don't care how many Tahoes rifles cargo pants and baseball caps he gave us he is by far the worst Superintendent in CPD history.
I knew Dennis when he was a Patrolman in 015 on Probation, and it was a "Given" that he was connected. I was one of his Sergeants at the time and I never hurt a cop; but I have no sympathy for any of these guys. All of them represented the corrupt system of promotion by Clout that has destroyed the Spirit and Soul of thousands of legit cops, who take the test and the job, and get tossed aside when they retire, their bodies trashed and their morale destroyed. Would you support a cop who supported a Mexican Cartel? These cops supported the Daley Crime Family and Democrat Machine; now they will pay the price. And all of you who thought that it was over are naive. Immunity from Anita means shit; because they can still nail you federally. Remember Cozzi? Oh, wait a minute, Cozzi was a nobody, who just did his job, he lacked clout, so he was expendable.
Smoke and mirrors nothing major will come of this...
I knew Dean Andrews should have hung on to that cleaners. I used to talk to him all the time when I went in there. Once he was a boss he wouldn't even look at me and never acknowledged a hello.
Does the family still have that restaurant? Which one is it?
Thank Jody Weis for this. Weis had the chance to intervene earlier in this investigation and make sure Steve Petersen had it done right but he didn't. Despite having an iron clad million dollar Daley contract he looked the other way while this investigation went into the sewer.
I don't care how many Tahoes rifles cargo pants and baseball caps he gave us he is by far the worst Superintendent in CPD history.
It's sad that the police officers have to pay the price, and that the situations reflects badly on the entire police department. A few bad apples spoil the bunch, and just because these fools thought they'd get ahead by gaining Daley's favor look what's happening. This is what happens when you compromise your integrity. Be safe, keep your head down, look out for each other, and do you job.
Remember in LA Confidential Lt Edmund Exley said at the end "You will need two heros" in this Chicago Confidential episode you need two fall guys Lt Denis Walsh and States Attorney supervisor Darrin O'brien. I hope the movie is as good as the book!
Until there is complete separation of politics and police, this will happen again, and again.
The supt is a political hack, with the mayor pulling the strings.
When bossman says "run", we ask "how fast?".
it's not 219 S Dearborn anymore... the Fb1 boys and girls are on Rosevelt Rd now; just saying old timer. But I'm sure the USAO minions who are at 219, have had meetings on the third floor of the new Fb1 pleasure palace on Rosevelt Rd kabitzing with the public corruption folks. All this because a few chuckleheads sold their soul to that stuttering little pricks court of clowns. When oh when will Shortshanks get his?
sad for the good men/women of the once great CPD
retired 018
Attorneys are building a massive civil suit bonfire against CPD and the Mighty ShortShanks Area 3 alumni are supplying the firewood.
O.J. my friend, your name has been given up. Take cover
Chicago corruption that leads all the way to Washington? Let's not forget our current mayor was hand selected by a deal forged at the Capitol and then shoved down our throats back home. Richie's brother even got a bump to the White House in exchange for his seat on the throne. Nothing will happen to the North Side Six.
Like no other administration...possibly in history...the Rule of Law means nothing to the people at the levers of power today.
Fast and Furious, Bhengazi, IRS 501c's...I could go on, look what the FBI has done?
The ACA and POTUS' arbritrary changes of that law and the Congresses' absolute impotence in doing anything about it proves-out, perhaps, like never before we are ruled by men and not laws, our Constitutional Republic, dead, dead,dead (imagine steak knife for effect).
I know there are good men and women in the FBI just as there is in the CPD, but the sad thing is it is evident they are not the people in control.
It is a major underpinning of loyalty and obedence in the smallball and bigtime cesspool of political power, influence and greed, that hose who do the bidding of those in control will be protected and taken care of if the shit hits the fan.
In the scheme of things, this travesty of justice is smallball to the FBI's bosses -- the DOJ, Eric Holder and POTUS, but to keep the rest of the team in line in a heavily Democrat region like Chiraq -- nothing -- is going to be come of the FBI's posession of the info Webb gave them.
I hope I'm wrong.
Time will tell.
-Citizen
Correction to previous post...meant Darren O'Brien not Kevin
As anonymous said: "They refused to defend those who were unable to defend themselves"
This is our job. This has always been our job. Once you forget that, you are lost.
@ 2/26/2014 04:23:00 AM
I hope you're a 12 year old troll, cause if you're an example of a Chicago cop, then the CPD is in big trouble. Go back to school and learn to write. WTF!
Vanecko is doing 60 days in a county jail and these guys might get 10 years in the federal penitentiary. And lose their jobs and pension. A little ironic wouldn't you say?
Anonymous said...
I made a comment many months ago-and many laughed- Supervisors in D Unit will be indicted.
2/26/2014 12:52:00 AM
Still laughing. Will never happen. Webb said no indictments, now he says he checked with FBI, no indictments, plain and simple. Case over
Many of the players are merit appointees. You have to be careful when you take a bite of the merit apple or more then one bite. May be poisoned and lead to your demise.
B safe...
I believe the intent of the Det.s here was to give a viable defense and enough reasonable doubt to reach just 1 juror at trial. So they came up with a brilliant piece of evidence " I'll kick your ass".......however it was never said and can't be attributed to anyone on the scene. Bravo detectives, Vanecko will get a 60 day suspension in Mchenry County Jail under armed guard and escort, and the coppers will either get promoted or fired. Oh and don't be surprised if any of these "detectives" previous work is being scrutinized by a young ambitious, federal agent looking to make a name for him or herself. So these were the " best guys" the D unit had? Time to disband the detective division and start over........
Doesn't Walsh have a sister that was assigned to. The Mayor's detail when Daley was Mayor?
So the hiearchy of the indictment will be:
Daley
Mike Masters
Phil Cline
And wasn't Hiram Grau the head of Bureau of Inv??
Dan Webb. What a great federal prosecutor he was, cutting the sentences of convicted dope dealers in half in return for their testimony which he assured us was the whole truth. He treasures the law and justice so much, after he made a name for himself, he becomes a high priced defense attorney. A true man of honor and high moral standards.
The Vanecko case was investigated, presented to the States Attorneys Office, and not charged. Surprise surprise! And this is the fault of the investigating officers? Most seasoned CPD homicide detectives could tell you stories of cases that were not charged that would make your hair curl.
But listen to Dan Webb, for he is an honorable man. He claimed former convicted governor Ryan was also an honorable man. (right)
One of the problems that the 6 Officers named have, is that the top three criminal attorneys in the City will probably not be available to them, due to a conflict. Tom Breen, Terry Gillespie and Marc Martin were Daleys nephews attorneys.if I was in a jam, I would want Tom Breen to represent me. Most of the other alleged criminal attorneys, besides the above three are useless.
Civilian here.
Remember the scene in Godfather II, when Tom visits Pentangeli and offers to spare his family, reminding him that failed plotters against the Roman Emperor took their own lives?
Whatever happens, I doubt the "Scandal Six Pack" will flip. They will take the fall, their families will be taken care of, the Daley Family will be protected and Nora or Patrick will be "selected" to carry the torch.
can anyone sat "Rico?"...
http://fightingchicago.blogspot.com/2014/02/seven-years-and-sixty-days-of-clout.html
Waiting for the news flash that our sneaky stuttering ex mayor Richie has had a relapse and will go back into the inner sanctum of the ICU. Don't they have a hospital unit at the MCC?
If these six were involved in covering for Vanecko then they should be indicted. Let the FBI investigate and let the chips fall where they may. Problem is this will be another black eye that we don't need at this time.
So true about Walsh being arrogant. Karma I guess.
after almost 2 decades as a CPD Det; at least 1/3rd of dets have no business being in the Detective Div. Nepotism=Corruption=CPD.
Anonymous said...
The officers who helped Vanecko are all clout babies who owe their political sponsors . Be assured none of the politicians (Daley Crime Family, Inc.) will be investigated or prosecuted. The Chicago Way.
2/26/2014 04:10:00 AM
Exactly. Pay to Play, the CPD (Chicago) Way. States Attorney involved too.
First on the bus gets the best seat. Dearborn Street Express stops right in front of 219. Dean The Dream, Joey and Smiling Sam get set for the ass beating you deserve.
The Feds and Crook County States Attorney are also to blame. Lazy, and glaringly incompetent, they've sat on their hands for Decades, knowing Full-Well that stuff like this was going on , on a daily basis in the CPD and City of Chicago, yet did little or nothing, Logic would conclude that the corruption is also linked into these Agencies also, yet who should be policing them, because Nobody is.
This would not have happened if Crook County had a Republican States Attorney. Democrat States Attorney's have given a blind eye to the massive corruption in Chicago AND Cook County Law Enforcement and Politicians for decades now.
You've got some splaining to do boys. Yamishiroya is running to put those retirement papers in. Too late Gary!
This is what happens when you don't test---you don't get the best.
Who were chief of dicks , detective commander a/3
A3/co of vc , it's a disgrace this crap goes on when a person is dead . Heads should roll , take away pensions if it's proved the crime was covered up .
1:34:00 poster...that is the thread winner right there. Vanecko serves 60 days in McHenry jail. Him and his family have stolen untold millions from pension funds, education funds and on and on. But he will be out soon with that smirk and go about his life as if nothing ever happened. The coppers who helped this piece of shit will lose everything they hold dear or at least have their name ruined. Daley Inc. Could give two shits about the coppers. I hope you guys and gals wake up and start pushing back before your lives find themselves in a world of shit too.
Every person that was involved with this case and purposely hid the facts should be put in jail. This includes exempts that called the shots.
OT...Attention 008.
24 Feb, Agg Assault to PO arrest, 6359 N Caldwell, Bt 1621, HX163211: ODPO was driving on Caldwell when he was confronted
by offender who was displaying gang signs and threatened the PO making motions implying a gun and stating "I'm gonna kill you
police like we do on the southside." Offender's actions resulted in a 10-1 dispatch. In custody: MICHALIK, Jonathan IR# 1769580.
Offender is a Latin King gang member, LKA = Bt 0811. Offender was a passenger in his friend's vehicle, a 1999 Nissan Sentra,
plate# R375477. Driver (IR# 2007066) was released / not charged.
Lesson for the future. ANY "favor" may come back to haunt you. The lunkers swim away while the minnows get netted and don't get cush jobs at connected companies when they get out.
But will this lead to an indictment of Daley, Short Shanks himself??
LOL, you almost had me there. Will it? Absolutely no fucking way, not in a million years. Daleys in too deep. Too many other movers and shakers in the democratic party for that to ever happen. The feds will just shut it down before it happens and the judges will refuse to allow it to be brought up in court. Ala BLAGO.
Those six officers should have been charged .
This is a human being that vanecko killed . I hope the FBI get to the bottom of this and charge these idiots .
The detective division should be held responsible for doing there job everyone wants a check but no one wants to work amazing . It is time to change the way detective division unit functions what do they do for the amount of hours they work how many cases do they solve have of them might not even know what the fuck they are doing . Let let to the bottom of this so we can save the embarrassment to this department .
may be if we alternated supervisor from patrol to detective division there might be cases solved for those supervisor who work in the detective division what the hell do you supervise .
now we are face with FBI investigating this issue. oh well no better for whomever though they can get away with this .
GO FUCK YOURSELF PUD PULLER.
The detectives this the detectives that. 90 % of the detectives do their job and do it well.
Don't paint us with a broad brush and asume we would carry Vanekos water because we owed Daley for a merit promotion.
If Walsh, Andrews and Cirone et al, felt obligated to over for the piece of shit family then they should be able to take whatever comes.
Someone should have told Andrews to take his " nicely done" and stick it up his ass.
Even better, you Dean Andrews author that crap at put YOUR name on it.
The G has been looking at A5 for awhile, a "credible" someone dropped the dime a decade ago about a CR investigation and unlawful arrest conspiracy. This has been building for sometime, there will be indictments and again clout babies involved.
Anonymous said...
Well people remember this! Just about everybody here was a merit hack. The favors were called in and it back fired on them . They never thought Vanecko would plead guilty. Well guess what ? He did. You thought that next promotion was worth it. You have a sgt who made dick with 3 years on the job? Oh no he's not connected. Give me a break. You guys rolled the dice and in the end you are probably losing your job, pension, and self respect. And for what? To help
The Daley crime family. Remember what they did to Cozzi for a pimp slap? Get ready. This is going to get ugly.
Retired Area 5 Dick.
2/26/2014 01:17:00 AM
Just wait until the FBI breaks the A5 coverup of the Jacobs Twin Buick case involving some prominent clout babies in the former 025/A5.
This is what happens when you sell your soul for a gold star
2/26/2014 12:12:00 AM
This is what happens?? What has exactly happened?? Nothing! The only reason the FEDS are following up is so the whole system doesnt look corrupt in the public view. How many gold stars have been indicted?? Just cause its a story doesnt mean shit will happen. They are not called exempt for nothing. They still get six figure pensions. What did Daley say in one of his final inteviews before leaving?? "Don't always believe what you read in the papers" probably the most honest thing he said in while in
office.
The politico's and higher ups will remain untouched by this. Some of the lower schmucks, who were just following orders(implied or direct), will have the sledgehammer dropped on them.
If half of what was reported in the grand jury report is true, these guys better try and figure out what they need to do to keep themselves out of the MCC. The media has either been instructed, or decided that due to his history that Walsh was the fall guy.
Fall guy?? Get back to me when something actually happens besides a couple paragraphs in the paper! Move along, nothing to see!
Anonymous said...
Those six officers should have been charged .
This is a human being that vanecko killed . I hope the FBI get to the bottom of this and charge these idiots .
The detective division should be held responsible for doing there job everyone wants a check but no one wants to work amazing . It is time to change the way detective division unit functions what do they do for the amount of hours they work how many cases do they solve have of them might not even know what the fuck they are doing . Let let to the bottom of this so we can save the embarrassment to this department .
may be if we alternated supervisor from patrol to detective division there might be cases solved for those supervisor who work in the detective division what the hell do you supervise .
now we are face with FBI investigating this issue. oh well no better for whomever though they can get away with this .
2/26/2014 04:23:00 AM
All you need are honest individuals with integrity who will simply do their job. This is what happens in a corrupt department run on the principle of Clout Rules. We take an oath, those detectives and supervisors violated theirs.
Does anyone think Richard M Daley will come to the aid of any of these people? Vanecko will be out of his little jail stint long before any of these CPD begin their prison terms.
It's a terrible thing to face jail while doing favors for Daley. He ruined this city and cops are willing to go to jail for him on top of that? We'll see if any of them is able to connect any of this with the mumbling midget. I will pray for that.
You sleep with dogs you wake up with fleas.
Is Denis Walsh related to tom?
"Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks over all the pieces, shits on the board and then struts around like it won the game."
Can't wait for the outcome. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Supervisor should have no say in an investigation.
Any boss who calls for updates should be logged on a GPR.
New affairs should get no updates unless it is formally requested in writing.
Gary you probably dont know what any of this gibberish is i typed so go over to the Detective side of HQ! and ask Riccio.
Maybe no one ever told you, BUT, that is what a boss is supposed to do, ask what you are doing because they are your supervisor. But if he or she tells you how to rewrite your report, that's another thing and you be the fool to do it. That's when you put that name in a GPR "was told by Sgt. Lt. Cmdr. Etc, etc, etc....
2/26/2014 05:10:00 AM
A supervisors job is to make sure the dicks do not over do it on overtime.
Oh i forgot they can check grammar on a report.
You don't really think Sgt's go out in the cold and lead a canvass or look for people.
All those dicks named in this case had a Sgt review the case SO should they be indicted to for losing files???
It isn't the original scandal that gets people in the most trouble.... it's the attempted cover-up.
"Tom Petri"
Karma is one helluva thing...one day you're on top of the heap looking down..and the next day you are the heap still looking downward.
The department is a political fiefdom: do something for Daley, and get promoted. Carrothers was a perfect example. One week after Carrothers the alderman goes to jail on federal charges (without giving up the king, without being a stepping stone up to the top of the throne), Carrothers the sergeant gets promoted to lieutenant in the D-unit, and shortly after that stint, gets promoted to Commander. Not because of his abilities to lead, but most likely because of his brother's silence: because his brother didn't snitch.
Carrothers was not in the D-unit. After being made he was sent to 002 as the Tact Lt.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Like I said before....the guys at 219 S. Dearborn are looking into this case.
2/26/2014 03:09:00 AM
and who might that be?
219 S. Dearborn?
come on now...surely you jest?
do you even have a clue what is at that address?
2/26/2014 07:52:00 AM
I know Fardon's office is at that address.
You are a grade A asshole, how dare you say a Policeman should be charged, here is an idea drunky stop posting at 0430 after coming home from the tavern, how did you get home? Did you drive? You should be CHARGED!!!!!
Well put.
For anyone to think that our former Mayor King Richard had no say in this is a GOOF. He may have never placed the call but you all know that someone on his behalf made a call to save his flesh and blood, the Bridgeport thinking is Fuck this kid that died, he shouldn't have fuck with anyone, now if I was a dick that got talked to by anyone to make this go away, I would now think hard about my future, Daley is going to throw all of you under the train, not a bus, but a fast moving train, Dean Andrews ass will be saved by big money, Joe Salamme is a great guy but will fold, and Denis Walsh is going away,with Sam Cirone, I don't know is Gary Yoshiruma is involved, but if I was invoilved I would catch the first cab down to the FEDS, and fuck Daley big time.
Anonymous said...
Doesn't Walsh have a sister that was assigned to. The Mayor's detail when Daley was Mayor?
2/26/2014 11:10:00 AM
Sister-in-law, daughter of a retired sgt / robbery dick.
Anonymous said...
Thank Jody Weis for this. Weis had the chance to intervene earlier in this investigation and make sure Steve Petersen had it done right but he didn't. Despite having an iron clad million dollar Daley contract he looked the other way while this investigation went into the sewer.
I don't care how many Tahoes rifles cargo pants and baseball caps he gave us he is by far the worst Superintendent in CPD history.
2/26/2014 09:56:00 AM
The first investigation was under Weiss; the second came with Rahm and McBourbonbreath. A big cheer must have gone up on the east coast when Garry came here.
Yeah its still 219 S. Dearborn retiree. That's where the United States Attorney's are located. They will be in charge of the investigation. Everything A Federal Agent does on an investigation has to be cleared with the assigned AUSA. That's how things work in the real world- not in fantasy 018 District.
So, according to the Sun-Times, the Feebs have had the complete file from Webb since June. That is 8+ months. No leaks yet on what they have been doing? No re-interviews? No subpoenas? No Grand Jury convened? Hmmmm.
Im glad ur still laughing- case isn't over. Its just beginning. The feds move slower than a snail. You're obviously not a cop.
Two weeks past the seven year anniversary of our dearly departed brother PO Jose Vazquez (EOW 12Feb2007)RIP brother.
Maybe one day the Feds will bring his killer(s) to justice.
http://officerjosevazquez.blogspot.com/
A simple bit of advice that really has nothing in particular to do with this case but should be followed under any circumstances: If the FBI ever asks you a question, your answer should be, "no comment". Even if the question is, "do you breathe to stay alive? "No comment".
And having said that, I am now probably under investigation by them for offering that bit of advice. I gotta go now. There's someone knocking at my door. LOL
Surely you jest? The United States Attorney's Office is located at 219 S. Dearborn. Are you aware that they supervise FBI investigations? Do you know that? It appears not. That's a free lesson for you junior. FYI its a place you don't want to go. Surely I don't jest.
..and good riddance Pierce Morgan you cheap limey bastard.. even England doesn't want you back.
@3:09 am....
Hey surely you jest-
The United States Attorney's Office is located at 219 S. Dearborn. The people who supervise and bring indictments against corrupt police officers. You obviously don't know what's there.
Walsh was never arrogant. DW had U'r back if he liked ya or not. When DW was The Entertainment Lt. he made sure we were aware, worked, and treated everybody w/respect. DW liked to bust people's chops but only for fun. If DW was bustin U'r hump it was cuz he liked you not because he's a dick.
We went round & round on a rip contest and they're were NO ill feelings, no "I'm gonna get that MF'er, just a fun ball bust.
Compare that to RF or "Mother Mary." Those 2 wooda obtained a CR 4 having their feelings hurt .
Other thing, everybody remembers Sgt. MM in Near North. That woman was just a nasty human born w/out empathy. Denis kept her slender ass in check which I'm surprised no one has mentioned.
Bottom line it was so much fun when Denis was there cuz he was there.
..Is it any wonder the British are so gun control. Because it speaks revolution. Look at founding of America, independence of India and Africa... yea they don't like guns in civilians hands..wonder why?
Any detective who ever worked a heater case knows that every single thing you do in that investigation is first decided upon by the big bosses even before you do it. Kline was 100 percent micromanager, which in turn caused every boss directly under him to be even worse with demands and keeping their thumb on every aspect of the investigation. This constant exempt micromanaging infuriated most detectives, because it was insulting and unnecessary.
The problem is that no detective documents every call, every email, every request, every statement, every demand, that these exempts make during and about the investigation. Because the D unit is supposed to be more mature, and no detective wants to be a rat.
If you ever worked closely with the Feds, you would know that every email and every phone call they make during an investigation is documented and subject to discovery. Obviously Dean and Sammy and Denis and the rest of Klines crew were too stupid and arrogant to remember that simple fact.
On the flip side, I still believe Webb deliberately avoided further investigating Daleys bodyguards involvement in the koschman/vanecko case. I know for a fact that Keeting was shitting in his pants when he got the letter from Webb. I wonder why???
The most ironic part about this comment thread is that Walsh, Cirone, Gilger, and Spanos would do anything for another policeman. I know because I've seen it. These are four guys who regularly go out of their way to help officers involved in shootings, officers who are victims, etc. Then their names are smeared by a completely worthless paper in town and countless officers start slinging shit at them on this site. Pathetic. Can Cirone and Walsh be arrogant at times? Yeah, they can. So fucking what!! Does that mean that none of us should care that their careers are getting ruined over some bullshit?! As far as Gilger and Spanos go, it boggles my mind that anybody can say anything bad about either one of those guys. Salemme is another one that has gone to great lengths to protect officers. Just ask the state's attorney's office who pushed and pushed for videotaped witness statements. The only reason he did that was to protect detectives from witnesses who were filing lawsuits that stated that they were being held against their will. It really saddens and disappoints me to see how many people on this job have an attitude of "every man for himself". It's no wonder that our union is in shambles.
Anonymous said...
Doesn't Walsh have a sister that was assigned to. The Mayor's detail when Daley was Mayor?
2/26/2014 11:10:00 AM
YES, sister-in-law assigned to the Mayor's Detail
"Files from the original 2004 investigation into Koschman’s death and the 2011 re-investigation went missing, with one document being discovered in the Northwest Side bungalow of Police Lt. Dennis P. Walsh"
This quote comes from the media reporting on the FBI investigation. It is completely wrong. Walsh testified he found in on a shelf in the VC office.
So why do you listen to anything they report? Why so eager to believe anything they write? Wait until it all shakes out and we will see what we will see.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The fed's had to take over the case because Chief Rivera and IAD unit could not sustain a case to save their lives....Am i right Juan?
2/26/2014 08:59:00 AM
IAD has always taken care of the clouted few. Rivera is just a puppet that does as he is told, he is a nice guy but a puppet nonetheless.
Anonymous said...
If they don't get the results they want, try try again, but what if there is nothing?
2/26/2014 12:39:00 AM
LOL. You goof. What a stupid question! You're talking about clouted inept and incompetent bosses promoted way over their IQ levels because of politics in the most corrupt city on the US.
If even one boss ever tells you what to write in any report you have one answer for them, GO FUCK YOURSELF or get quoted in the report.
And, "Now get away from me and go put the batteries in your remote, turn on ESPN, put your feet on your desk and do what a true CPD does best, act like he knows what he's doing.".
I have known Denis and Mike Walsh since they were kids. I don't care what anybody says they are good guys. Anybody that says Denis is arrogant and a bad boss is full of shit. Denis learned how to be a good guy from his dad who was a Captain in SOG A/6 for a long time. He was also a very good boss that took a lot f kidding from certain coppers and he could dish it out also. Who the fuck knows what really happened with this case, but it is what it is. What gets me s one copper after another wanting to see these guys getting jammed up with the G, probably coming from deadbeat cops who never did any work. Why is it every time something like this happens, coppers only see the bad side. The public, media and papers are against us so keep up the negative comments and see if it helps. As of now, I give my friend Denis the benefit of the doubt and support him 100%.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The new U.S. Attorney Zach Fardon is looking to make a splash, and these idiots throw themselves right into the water push the easy button at staples they are on a platter. Thanks to the FBI and Zach Fardon please do the job and put away whoever, we have a murdered child here, a mother with no clout, I'm not a big fan of the sun-times but this time they did it right, keep up the heat! Wonder how many will be on the federal bus? Will it be full? Sorry been a copper many years the coppers that did this your not "the police" your coward political hacks!
2/26/2014 07:38:00 AM
Time will tell how effective Zach and the boys at 219S are. With the amount of coverup and clout involved here, I doubt they will do anything except sidestep this ticking time bomb. Civil litigation is probably the best bet for justice.
Anonymous said...
Those six officers should have been charged .
This is a human being that vanecko killed . I hope the FBI get to the bottom of this and charge these idiots .
The detective division should be held responsible for doing there job everyone wants a check but no one wants to work amazing . It is time to change the way detective division unit functions what do they do for the amount of hours they work how many cases do they solve have of them might not even know what the fuck they are doing . Let let to the bottom of this so we can save the embarrassment to this department .
may be if we alternated supervisor from patrol to detective division there might be cases solved for those supervisor who work in the detective division what the hell do you supervise .
now we are face with FBI investigating this issue. oh well no better for whomever though they can get away with this .
2/26/2014 04:23:00 AM
Here Here. Spoken from a true ANOV writer...
Anonymous said...
Ok FBI, start looking as far back as 2005.
When the first CR number was pulled by family members because Detectives did nothing and when it went infront of wicked boss of IAD, it was closed
Then ask why when it all came back in 2010 and 2011 Jody requested the re-investigation which was closed by Detectives again...and another CR was pulled and closed in one day........by IAD
The exempts all knew it from the 1st week of the criminal investigation but they all buried it.
Area 3 was buring the matter. If you doubt it Ask the ASA handling the sex assault case that happen on major holiday but was never investigated until ASA forced the matter after interviewing the victim........Hey FBI what happen to that CR for detectives not investigating the CSA?
2/26/2014 06:35:00 AM
IAD will NOT touch anything Clout related on the CPD!
Anonymous said...
Remember not one White Shirt got indicted in the SOS scandal
2/26/2014 07:52:00 AM
Nobody with CLOUT ever gets hurt on the CPD! You must be a new guy here.
Anonymous said...
Thank Jody Weis for this. Weis had the chance to intervene earlier in this investigation and make sure Steve Petersen had it done right but he didn't. Despite having an iron clad million dollar Daley contract he looked the other way while this investigation went into the sewer.
I don't care how many Tahoes rifles cargo pants and baseball caps he gave us he is by far the worst Superintendent in CPD history.
2/26/2014 09:53:00 AM
Nice try, this fiasco occurred on Cline's watch, not Weis's.
Anonymous said...
It's absolutely amazing how these assclowns are laughing at this. From Andrews to Salemme Walsh to Cirone, its been a running g joke we are the smartest, no one can prove shit, we run this. They sound like gangsters. Hasn't anyone put the dots together? Don't forget these four also worked that Sgt. Who stole the millions from the sergeants union. These four all worked in the same office for years. They did many things together at A/4. and lets not forget Peterson who lead them and purchased Salemme's house at a special price. The toilet not only needs flushing but it needs the sides to be brushed too, with bleach. Don't forget to spray the Fabreeze cause it stinks in the D with these pieces of shit in charge. And did anyone forget that all four are teaching classes at Homicide Certification classes. I freaked out when Walsh, Salemme and Cerone each taught a class, what a crock of misrepresentation. These four have got to go........they have soiled this department. Dylan Hata
2/26/2014 05:49:00 AM
If you are this upset do the right thing and call the US Attorneys Office.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Who were chief of dicks , detective commander a/3
A3/co of vc , it's a disgrace this crap goes on when a person is dead . Heads should roll , take away pensions if it's proved the crime was covered up .
2/26/2014 12:48:00 PM
Was Gary Yamashiroya asleep at the wheel while all this was going on? Oh, wait, never mind.
Just wait until the FBI breaks the A5 coverup of the Jacobs Twin Buick case involving some prominent clout babies in the former 025/A5.
2/26/2014 01:54:00 PM
Probably not going to happen. Tax evasion usually has a 6 year statute of limitations.
Anyone that believes ANY CPD brass chose to defend Daleys nephew without even a phone call coming from city hall is naive as fuck. Wake the fuck up people this all came from the 5th floor, PERIOD! Sure there are clout bosses that were involved but these decisions were made above
2/26/2014 05:57:00 AM
It's refreshing to see that at least one guy knows what's going on....But sad that it's only one.
To every person on this blog grinding their personal axes against the people involved in the investigation. How do you charge or arrest somebody when they are not identified? What version of the events the witnesses gave was true? Every witness changed their story at least once. Gilger and Spanos are good guys, I have never scene or heard of Cirone or Walsh trying to hurt a policeman, in fact they go out of their way to help guys. Salemme was CCed on emails, and was not involved in the investigation. Not everybody has to like each other but the cowardly statements being made are truly horrible. I worked with or for all of these guys some I liked some I did not, but I would not wish this which hunt on anybody. For those of you sitting back and passing judgement shame on you.
From the thread a few days ago regarding the original investigation, from Webb's report, Yawger the dick for the original 2004 investigation to a grand jury:
"Yawger testified "I just wanted -- it's not a good thing to say, but I just wanted to kick the can down the road. I mean, why would we [CPD] make this decision. I wanted out of this case. I wanted to get it over with. I figured just charge the guy and go to preliminary hearing, and it would have been thrown out... And then we're done with it, it's on somebody else's hands, which is not the right thing to do."
Yet, there are STILL people swearing that the dicks in 2004 and 2011 did their jobs and aren't to blame whatsoever. Morons.
Anonymous said...
I know some of the detectives involved. Nick Spanos and Jim Gilger are great detectives. They're good guys who work hard, have values and integrity. They wouldn't jeopardize their jobs or families for anything. I'm proud to say they're friends of mine. The Sun-Times is a liberal, anti police rag. It's saddens and sickens me that police officers would hope that fellow police officers lose their jobs, get sued and prosecuted based on what a paper prints. Some of you don't even know these men and you're judging them based on what you read. They're being thrown under the bus. You never know when it can happen to you. If it did, I'm sure the last thing you would want is fellow police officers judging you. Hang in there guys.
2/26/2014 07:49:00 AM
Well said.
What's funny is the constant shit-talk from Dan Webb about how he "wanted to seek charges against Chicago Police Officers" while seemingly giving "Jefe Abogado" Anita Alvarez and her bunch of clouted dingle berries a wink and an air kiss while setting the stage for only coppers to get a black eye in their moon-pie courtesy of the feebs.
Fuck those hacks at County... They played loosey goosey and they should be bent at the waist and made to grin and love it too...
May they all be left walking with a limp, wearing diapers and talking with a stutter when the smoke clears...
Death to clout...
Not like that piece of shit daley will step up to the plate.these are grown men....Police Officers, who made a decision to sell their soul to the daley crime family,the same family that has raped our pensions for their own gain.
John 10:11
I just don't get it. If I was involved in this case and learned that Daleys dick head nephew was involved I would try 100X's harder to nail this guy. Daley has screwed us time and time again, why would you want to help him out or cover it up? And if a supervisor told me other wise, my response would be...please put it on paper. I hope these guys didn't think the covering for him would further their careers....god that would be naïve.
Speaking if dogs and fleas...Bill you piece o chit you and Marky Mark cost us our retro pay to keep you crime family going.
Anonymous said...
DW, was always cool in 018. Always!
2/26/2014 08:27:00 AM
You sure were Denis ... Too Cool for School and anyone who thinks different should just ask YOU.
Arrogant, clout punk ... go get your shine box, your masters need a shine and try not to sexually assault anyone along the way
off topic just saw on news new cta buses to getdriver bulletproof glass how about our cars?
Just wait until the FBI breaks the A5 coverup of the Jacobs Twin Buick case involving some prominent clout babies in the former 025/A5.
2/26/2014 01:54:00 PM
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What are you kidding?
They might as well reopened the Lindbergh baby kidnapping ...
goof.
It's very clear that most you didn't read Webb's assessment.
There wasn't a cover up.
There were mistakes made in certain decisions and actions.
That's it.
Of course Daley was informed (why wouldn't he have been)and who cares.
RJ and Koshcman's attorney's covered their client's asses, hindering a complete investigation.
The rest is a media spin and you all bought it.
That is all.
Two "very good" and respected detectives from Area 5 were originally offered the re-investigation before Andrews went to his best detectives Nick "I Haven't Solved a Homicide Since I became a detective" Spanos and Jim Gilger. The two detectives who told Andrews and Cirone to go pound sand saw right through Andrews's and Cirone's bullshit. And they were the only two, or at least one of them was, that would talk to Andrews and Cirone like that because they were ALWAYS the police and actually solved and charged murders, so they didn't have to get involved in this bullshit because they never played the political game. They are both off the job now, but ask any states attorney or judge about them and you would find they were two very intelligent, honest, hardworking, and knowledgeable detectives.
I worked for these bosses many years ago.
By the comments posted on here, I know that 90% of you don't know anything about them or this investigation.
These cops are some of the cities hardest working, and toughest men who were put in a case which they had zero control over.
Knowing these types of cops, they knew that there was going to be a media and political shit storm which they would have to sail through; And boy did that ever happen.
They're taking the brunt of this mess, and they didn't kill anyone. They certainly didn't cover for RJ-that's quite apparent in Webb's' finding.
If you have about 2 hours you can read through the probe and see there really isn't a cover up. It's just cops having to deal with good attorney's.
Mr. Novak from the Suntimes, you ain't tellin the whole truth here either.
Jacobs Twin Buick is past news, tax evasion statute of limitations past. Nothing there the department cleared everyone. Feds didn't want it anyways.
This is a perfect example of why power needs to be taken away from the mayor of Chicago. The mayor appoints every city executive in Chicago. The mayor selects the police superintendent, fire commissioner, head of Board of education, etc.... That way these different agency owe their jobs to the mayor. They police department should be one department that stands alone with no influence from city hall or reverends on how it is run, who gets promoted, and who gets investigated. Finally once and for all put in writing criteria an officer needs to get considered for meritorious promotions.
Unfortunately the ones who will be suffering on this mess will be those with their names on the Sup reports, the Detectives. They are victims here. They get this case as a hand-out with nothing to indicate that it is anything special. Then it becomes known that a member of a Chicago royal family is involved. There is no way that the powers-that-be were going to allow this case to go the way it should. Behind the scenes pressure was exerted, tho nothing was put on paper. Any accusation they make regarding interference or attempts to influence the direction will be denied with the white-shirts saying it was just be a supervisor.
And don't be so naive as to think that the same think would not have happened in any other place where a big pol was involved.
As for the comment "if I knew a Daley was involved...I would have tried 100X's harder." Could have tried 100,000,000X's harder. The case was not going to be allowed to advance. Period.
Nothing new here, corruption and coverup on the job. Chicago has always been corrupt and a city of clout.
Nothing will change, feds won't do shit about any of this. This is why decent coppers and citizens flee this shithole at the first opportunity they can.
10;43 pm get your head out of your ass unless your one of the clout dicks who covered it up,if so, i would be very scared,,,,
Stop posting they have families
I know some of the detectives involved. Nick Spanos and Jim Gilger are great detectives. They're good guys who work hard, have values and integrity. They wouldn't jeopardize their jobs or families for anything. I'm proud to say they're friends of mine. The Sun-Times is a liberal, anti police rag. It's saddens and sickens me that police officers would hope that fellow police officers lose their jobs, get sued and prosecuted based on what a paper prints. Some of you don't even know these men and you're judging them based on what you read. They're being thrown under the bus. You never know when it can happen to you. If it did, I'm sure the last thing you would want is fellow police officers judging you. Hang in there guys.
yep. funny how everyone all self righteous now.
I don't know any of the Detectives or bosses involved. I don't know if they are good people or not. I never had the opportunity to work with any of them. I won't comment on their innocence or guilt because I don't know. We have to wait and let this all play out. What I don't understand is all the anger, hatred and vitriol shown to them by so many of their fellow coppers on this blog.
The Feds are looking at similar cases. That's the key here, similar cases. The Koschman six either all or some may have done this before. The Feds are looking for a pattern.
As 2/26/2014 at 0749 stated.
Your 100% right I don't know these guys. However, don't throw integrity and values into your comment then. If you know it's wrong then don't $ucking do it. I don't know where you think having values means to let an agg batt offender /(now assailant) walk free. Rephrase your initial commentary please . Maybe they should have took a critical thinking class/seminar (oh wait all clout ). Then maybe they would have asked themselves a few questions worth (pension/family/home)
Anonymous said...
I knew Dennis when he was a Patrolman in 015 on Probation, and it was a "Given" that he was connected. I was one of his Sergeants at the time and I never hurt a cop; but I have no sympathy for any of these guys. All of them represented the corrupt system of promotion by Clout that has destroyed the Spirit and Soul of thousands of legit cops, who take the test and the job, and get tossed aside when they retire, their bodies trashed and their morale destroyed. Would you support a cop who supported a Mexican Cartel? These cops supported the Daley Crime Family and Democrat Machine; now they will pay the price. And all of you who thought that it was over are naive. Immunity from Anita means shit; because they can still nail you federally. Remember Cozzi? Oh, wait a minute, Cozzi was a nobody, who just did his job, he lacked clout, so he was expendable.
2/26/2014 09:55:00 AM
Well stated. I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who feels this way. So many talented people were never promoted because guys like Walsh had to be taken care of. Even a sexual assault couldn't get him fired. For the good of this department, this nonsense must come to an end. Promotions must be in rank order from an objective examination with no oral board. Nothing else will ever be fair. And guys like Walsh, who mocks justice, must be made to suffer the consequences. The public needs to see this happen, or they will lose whatever little faith in our department that remains.
If anyone is seriously thinking that the FBI is going to conduct a real investigation, they are smoking dope. Holder heads the DOJ. Obama is president. Emanuel is mayor. Daley is friends with Emanuel and Obama. The Chicago Way has been at work during the entire process. To think the Chicago Way will not continue is absurd.
Anonymous said...
So, according to the Sun-Times, the Feebs have had the complete file from Webb since June. That is 8+ months. No leaks yet on what they have been doing? No re-interviews? No subpoenas? No Grand Jury convened? Hmmmm.
2/26/2014 05:28:00 PM
They'll take forty years to finish up, just like the Lufthansa job.
Sgt sc great guy.
Just like the Dets got the word from above to can the investigation so will the Feds. Durbin, Quinn and Obama probably on the bat phone to the FBI now
These six have a chance to do the right thing. Go from zeroes to heroes. Turn state's evidence against one of the biggest crime families in America. The Piece of Shit Daley Family. Burn u piece of shit. There's a mother crying for her son. Dean Andrews shame on you. What happened to you? You sold you're soul for a gold star. Was it worth it? Do the right thing Dean. Take the deal.
"...The rest is a media spin and you all bought it.
That is all."
2/26/2014 10:43:00 PM
Yeah, that's what people were saying about the case with Bill Cozzi, too.
Rahm, like Daley before him, needs to demonize the police while he negotiates the new contract. What better way than to have a couple of CPD detectives or white shirts jailed for some Fed charge like they pulled on Cozzi.
You just keep telling yourself that it's just "media spin"... mark my words, if they want a cop behind bars out of all of this, SOMEBODY will be going to jail. End of story.
Gallagher said...
Stop posting they have families
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So did Mrs Koschman you dumbfuck.
I wonder if those trying to defend these bosses and detectives would feel the same way if it was their relative that was killed, and I really doubt it. I don't care if someone is a nice guy or not, that's not what this is about. This case was improperly handled, at best and manipulated by those involved to let Vanecko skate at the worst. Either way, justice was not served for this woman who lost her son and that's a damn shame.
Yeah, why weren't any white shirts stripped in the SOS scandal?
"Yeah its still 219 S. Dearborn retiree. That's where the United States Attorney's are located. They will be in charge of the investigation. Everything A Federal Agent does on an investigation has to be cleared with the assigned AUSA. That's how things work in the real world- not in fantasy 018 District."
yes, I know the USAO is at 219, crackerjack. the Fb1 are now on Roosevelt Rd . And yes, I understand that the USAO is the charging authority... but the Fb1 SAC would won't touch anything unless its in a pretty little package to drive to the USAO. Also if you don't think that the Public Integrity Squad hasn't already looked at this and others but chose to look the other way to save their careers... then you are the one living in a fantasy land. My post regarding geography was only meant to advise the ones that don't know that the boogie men/women now live on Rosevelt Rd. The main jackass is still that stuttering little prick who for some reason seems to get away with murder with impunity.
Oh and I retired from 018 after doing my time in what you hard chargers like to call working districts.. you should try it for your twilight it's stress free and you actually deal with some real victims. it's like a cleansing prior to retiring to the real world.
it's sad a once great big city Department has become what we have... yes I said we; once CPD always CPD no matter where you worked.
Stay safe, you guys are in my prayers always. I gotta go get ready for my nap now.
We'll once the dog runs out of the yard it doesn't matter if you then shut the gate. This case has entered the lives of some well known, heavily connected people. Dan Webb, Judge Toomin, the new AIC of the FBI, the CCSA. Not to mention the rahmster as well. Some of these people are seeking reelection and have further political ambitions at the national level, while others seek to keep a reputation that is very upfront and is critical to their livelihood ie... Their careers. Once their names got attached to it, their reputations got attached to it. If you think all these people of which some who make millions off their reputations in their field are gonna let this go away with their names attached in a perceived cover up of the death of a young man are mistaken. Something will be done, there is no question about it, but what exactly that is, is THE question. Nobody who runs for office on a national level wants any talk of a cover up of a homicide following them around, but if they were the one to eradicate this injustice and weed out this systemic corruption then they can campaign on that , being the reformer of a thoroughly corrupt organization known as the CPD. So basically if this becomes a liability to the named above individuals, then heads will roll ,so to speak, regardless of how much of a " great guy" one is perceived to be. So Saleme has the time to pull the pin and go with a pension. Makes sense to be the first one on the bus, cut a deal, look legit. As for Yamashoria, he's not too bright, but still young and this could affect his future law practice especially if the ARDC gets involved along the way. So it would make sense to "give it up" for your future endeavors, in other words, cut a deal especially if your were privy to some of those secret, private conversations and phone calls discussing very, very sensitive issues with others, you know what I mean, right Gary. Dean Andrews could pull the pin, get immunity and blame it on Walsh and the 2 detectives, saying I was just being kept informed of the investigation. That leaves the Lt. The Sgt. And the 2 Detectives. DW has some real problems in this matter and could stand to lose the most yet with his connection I'm sure he could get a new job with the McPier board. That leaves the 2 hard working detectives. They will bear the brunt of this, and if they are smart they will be making an appointment with the Feds and getting the best deal possible because if they do it, the aforementioned guys will. Remember everyone talks, everyone rats on each other. Why go to the Pen when you can send a friend. Everyone should realize that on this job, all of us, everyone is expendable for political gain and or personal gain of the connected. Remember that when you make a decision to violate your oath for future gain.
Only one thing matters. Koschman's friends could not ID Vanecko. They never stated we picked him out and the police didn't charge him. The case was presented to felony review they said it can't be charged.
Nobody manufactured a statement. Re read the report. Somebody said that Koschman threatened to "kick your ass"
This is Cook County, the police don't charge, the States Attorney does.
Two "very good" and respected detectives from Area 5 were originally offered the re-investigation before Andrews went to his best detectives Nick "I Haven't Solved a Homicide Since I became a detective" Spanos and Jim Gilger. The two detectives who told Andrews and Cirone to go pound sand saw right through Andrews's and Cirone's bullshit. And they were the only two, or at least one of them was, that would talk to Andrews and Cirone like that because they were ALWAYS the police and actually solved and charged murders, so they didn't have to get involved in this bullshit because they never played the political game. They are both off the job now, but ask any states attorney or judge about them and you would find they were two very intelligent, honest, hardworking, and knowledgeable detectives.
2/26/2014 10:54:00 PM
That's what I'm talking about. There are officers on this job who had the common sense to tell their supervisors NO. At ant point Gilger and Spanos could have told Andrews and Cirone NO, and they chose not to. That is what the federal charge Color of Law is all about. The officer conducts an action that he knows is wrong, but does it anyway.
A lot of posts are stating most of these guys are merit promotions. How about CPD can only promote a person ONE time meritoriously. After that they're on their own. Then maybe we wouldn't have a person like Pena in places she is.
Carrothers was not in the D-unit. After being made he was sent to 002 as the Tact Lt.
2/26/2014 04:44:00 PM
He was in the D unit before made Commander. He was in Area Two in charge of HSG.
Gallagher said...
Stop posting they have families
2/26/2014 11:57:00 PM
They should have thought of the embarrassment their illegal actions would bring to their families. This is too important to go away.
Anonymous said...
Vanecko is doing 60 days in a county jail and these guys might get 10 years in the federal penitentiary. And lose their jobs and pension. A little ironic wouldn't you say?
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Ironic but in a perverse way, fair.
Vanecko is a member of the Daley Crime Family and the fact that he plays the a$$hole is to be expected. WYSIWYG.
OTOH, the coppers involved, IF they did what everybody seems to be alleging (and I'll wait for trial verdict before I shit on them) violated their oath for what? To curry favor with that midget prick and his pals? To kneel down, bend over and take that little shit's prick up their a$$?
Ten years and loss of the pension ain't enough for them IF they buried this.
Well,let me see. The first federal agent that was given the case was retiring in two weeks. Sounds a lot like the 2 Dets who were given the Vanecko and were going on furlo. Somethings never change
Anonymous said...
From the thread a few days ago regarding the original investigation, from Webb's report, Yawger the dick for the original 2004 investigation to a grand jury:
"Yawger testified "I just wanted -- it's not a good thing to say, but I just wanted to kick the can down the road. I mean, why would we [CPD] make this decision. I wanted out of this case. I wanted to get it over with. I figured just charge the guy and go to preliminary hearing, and it would have been thrown out... And then we're done with it, it's on somebody else's hands, which is not the right thing to do."
Yet, there are STILL people swearing that the dicks in 2004 and 2011 did their jobs and aren't to blame whatsoever. Morons.
2/26/2014 07:11:00 PM
Are you trying to bait someone? Let me jump in instead. Where in Yawger’s statement does he say he did an incomplete or incompetent investigation? All he says is he wanted to put the ball in the ASA’s court. How is that illegal? Most detectives have that thought about most cases. In order to “kick the can down the road” and put the onus on the ASA he would need to do his investigation and gather enough evidence to present it. He did present it and when the ASA rejected it he called Thomas Epach for help in trying to convince the ASA to charge. He clearly advocated for the victim in trying to get the case charged…whatever his personal motivation. Personal motivation and intent to be rid of the case by getting it charged is not a crime.
If you want to be pissed at someone, be pissed at O’Brien for rejecting it and then throwing out his felony file proving he rejected it.
Regarding the supposed Jacobs Twin scandal: yes, tax evasion does have a 6 year statute. However, if proof can be shown that there was a coverup then it's another way to make us look bad. On the other hand, 'Tax Fraud' is a Felony the I.R.S. can always go back to if they really want to fuck someone over. They usually won't do it though.
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