Off-Duty Shoots Gunman
- Charges are pending against two people after an off-duty officer shot and wounded one of them outside a Northwest Side restaurant in the Hermosa neighborhood Saturday night.
The shooting happened about 9 p.m. in the 4300 block of West Fullerton Avenue, authorities said.
The off-duty officer was at a restaurant with his family in the same block and saw two males inside “causing a disturbance,” Fraternal Order of Police spokesman Pat Camden said.
The officer announced he was a policeman and escorted the males out of the restaurant, according to a statement from the Chicago Police Department. Police said one of the males went to his vehicle, got a handgun and pointed it at the officer. Camden said the two were waiting outside the restaurant for the officer, one armed with a knife, the other with a gun.
They knew he was a cop, had to know he was probably armed, and still went and got their own knife and gun to confront him when he's with his family. Be careful out there boys and girls - on and off duty.
Good job Officer.
Good job Officer.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
70 Comments:
Great job! It would have been easier to dial 911 but you showed character and handled the business.
Never a good idea to get involved with the local trash when you're off duty and out with your family, unless it directly affects you and yours. That officer is damn lucky it turned out well; these wannabe ambushers were amateurs.
What are you doing?! Your with your family!
While he was within his right as an officer and citizen, better judgement could have been used. This very easily could've gone badly. At least call it in and wait before you get involved. Protect yourself and family first.
If necessary, certified retirees can live by Tuco's Creed from The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly: "If you're going to shoot, shoot! Don't talk."
Im glad he and his family are OK but you should get your nut checked if your the type to get involved off duty. Most of all with your family.
Glad the PO is OK.
Here's a fun side note...this occurred at just after 9pm, during the early midnight cars roll-call. Following the roll-call, none of the early cars could hit the street, and help with this event, because there were NO CARS AVAILABLE for the officers to take out.
with your family? well ... glad things worked out
Anonymous said:
Never a good idea to get involved with the local trash when you're off duty......
If he was in that area with his family, he is the local trash regardless of being a PO or Civilian
Wow...way too many Monday morning quarterbacks. You weren't there. Don't fucking judge. If this PO hadn't done anything and the disturbance escalated, everyone would be talking shit about him not taking action. The PO that killed the armed robber in the Walgreens also had his family with him (in the car). That could have turned into a damn shoot out, but it didn't and the PO was highly praised for actions (as he should have been). We are our own worst fucking enemies. How about this: Nice job Officer. Glad you're ok. God Bless.
Glad the P.O. is ok and his family too. How about trying a new restaurant in a better neighborhood than some crap gang infested one.Sure the food is good but shop around you'll find better and better clientele. Again be aware of your surrounding and check out the hood before you go. Your the police run the hood on clear.
could have been a bad situation, not the thing to do especial when ur with family, not a wise decision,,,
Theres a good ol phrase in the movie FRIDAY....said best by Craig's father...."WHAT ARE YOU DOING"!!!!! anyways count ur blessing....them punks were rookie bangers..
Thanks for having the balls to get involved Office! These mutts are counting on weak men to look the other way, or wait...... for help. Frank Pape never looked the other way or waited for anyone.
Nicely done.
Foot guy on Fullerton ave usually has that place under control. He must have been rdo. T-bone get on the post !!!
Thank God everything turned out fine,but a leassonfor future encounters,unless immediate action is required that is life threatening,best to call 911 because a disturbance is easily handled without your family nearby,word of cation here not criticism,once in full uniform and got out of a marked squad car and me and my partner broke up a fight in a park,the defense in court was we thought these two Guys were gang bangers!
I work in 025 and there isn't a single restraunt along Fullerton. Av I would take my family while off duty. That being said glad to hear to officer is ok.
Why would you do that with your family there? The badge doesn't make you bulletproof pal and you should really think twice about who you show your badge to. I'm glad it worked out in your favor but it could've been ugly. Take your family to a nice restaurant from now on preferably way outside of this city.
Shut up with the criticism. Just because you dont have any balls to get involved with anything off duty who are you to judge? I'm sure you are the same guys that dont do shit while you are working either.
Two things I don't understand why would you be on the 4300 Blk of Fullerton eating with your family after dark, and more importantly why get involved call 911. I won't criticize I wasn't there but be careful.
Shots fired on the street ALWAYS endanger all citizens nearby. This could have been handled better.
Every copper has a wake up call when he is young and aggresive, I hope this officer knows he just had his wake up call. Great job officer,and I hope you are rewarded by the dept with the appropriate award, but I must agree with most of the comments posted. Unless its you or your family or friends you are protecting, just call 911 and stand by for help.
Perhaps he was friends with the owner of the place and felt obligated to do something.
I think I would pass on eating with my family on the 4300 Block of Fullerton however.
What I was going to post has already been posted in half a dozen different ways. Sure am glad his wife still has a husband and his kids still have a father.
Thank God the PO and his family are K, good thing he was carrying his weapon.... Sometimes it's hard when ur with ur love ones but you never known if things can bad and you should always react like the POLICE, a lot of off duty shootings lately PO in #016 walk-in on a robbery, and county sgt shoot an animal that was trying to Robb him!!!! Always Carry ... Summer is Ah coming, Be the PO with a hot gun in hand
The gang bangers came in to the restaurant. They started talking shit to each other. The off duty police officer then announced his office and told them to leave. Outside the restaurant they pulled a knife on each other. The off duty officer then told them to disperse. The refused to disperse. One of the gangbangers went to his car and retrieved a gun. The off duty officer shot off three rounds. He hit one of them on the leg. The rats/gang bagers took off in their vehicle. The off duty officer called 911 with a flash and later on they were stopped and apprehended.
Good job officer. I wasn't there. Perhaps there were other facts such as they maybe threatened you. I support you and your actions 100%. You did what you had to do. I am glad you are ok. To those Monday morning quarterbacks and second guessers; gfy. So what if he was with his family?
Here a cop does something noble and you criticze him/her. Quit being part of the jag-off factory
A hero is a sandwich served in a deli, be the perfect witness first, act only if acted upon and then shoot to kill, dead men tell no lies.
Anonymous said...
Never a good idea to get involved with the local trash when you're off duty and out with your family, unless it directly affects you and yours. That officer is damn lucky it turned out well; these wannabe ambushers were amateurs.
2/24/2014 12:13:00 AM
Totally agree!! the result of these actions could have been catastrophic these gang bangers have no fear or respect for police just imagine if they went after his family instead, and over what ? a restaurant disturbance...... glad it turned out ok but its something to think about
025 P.O. (onscene)
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Wow...way too many Monday morning quarterbacks. You weren't there. Don't fucking judge. If this PO hadn't done anything and the disturbance escalated, everyone would be talking shit about him not taking action. The PO that killed the armed robber in the Walgreens also had his family with him (in the car). That could have turned into a damn shoot out, but it didn't and the PO was highly praised for actions (as he should have been). We are our own worst fucking enemies. How about this: Nice job Officer. Glad you're ok. God Bless.
2/24/2014 07:24:00 AM
I'll second that. Was just about to write something similar, but you did it just fine.
Thank you 07:24 !!!! Great job officer glad you and your family are good, thanks for begin the POLICE . way too many fuck soft officers now a days, but they sure take that Duty check to the bank!!!!!! Let's remember we are the POLICE and we have to take action when shit happens .... Good job
Those hooligans wouldn't dare try this along Diversy av. T-bone the Diversy foot guy has that street on lock down.
Anonymous said...
Wow...way too many Monday morning quarterbacks. You weren't there. Don't fucking judge. If this PO hadn't done anything and the disturbance escalated, everyone would be talking shit about him not taking action. The PO that killed the armed robber in the Walgreens also had his family with him (in the car). That could have turned into a damn shoot out, but it didn't and the PO was highly praised for actions (as he should have been). We are our own worst fucking enemies. How about this: Nice job Officer. Glad you're ok. God Bless.
2/24/2014 07:24:00 AM
there were less than 10 comments before you cried about too many monday morning quarterbacks of which only a couple actually quarterbacking. officer at the walgreens wasn't sitting next to his family. in the 025 situation the officer approached couple of punks and stated his office. that right there? see that there? WRONG! that's how family members end up getting shot at or battered. think wise and act wiser, the odds are against us. shiny little star won't make you fly and it won't get you robin. You quit your whining buddy and please lead by example by going to a hood food joint with your family off duty and announce your officer when couple of punks talk and laugh too loud for your taste. you're a tough guy ey?
Anonymous said...
Thanks for having the balls to get involved Office! These mutts are counting on weak men to look the other way, or wait...... for help. Frank Pape never looked the other way or waited for anyone.
2/24/2014 08:22:00 AM
Yeah, how many of Frank Pape's shootouts were with his family standing there while they were out for dinner? If it happens, it happens, but isn't it better to get the family safe first?
It wasn't a bank robbery, they were acting like idiots. Not life or death.
I grew up in 25 and still have family there. Its been a bad neighborhood for 30 years. More often than not I don't dine out in the area, but have before. This officer deserves everyone's praise. He quickly assessed the situation, attempted to diffuse the situation, and when appropriate terminated the threat. Text book. He wasnt trying to be a hero. He was being the police. Some guys are so full of shit. Go back to not being proactive or working in 4 man cars pinching weed/rocks. The descent folks in the area are used to nobody standing up to the gang bangers. Fuck these assholes.
For a fine hood dining experience also visit "Tasty Beef" on Chicago/Ridgeway, they have an awesome Gyro Burger... Bon appétit!
What I was going to post has already been posted in half a dozen different ways. Sure am glad his wife still has a husband and his kids still have a father.
2/24/2014 11:50:00 AM
Well, I'm glad he stood up for himself and his family and I'm really glad he was carrying, so he could defend himself against the guy who meant to kill him.
He may well have saved me or someone else from becoming that guy's next victim.
I support you Office. I'm glad you're ok. Be safe out there, on and off duty.
I/F KMA
Two things I don't understand why would you be on the 4300 Blk of Fullerton eating with your family after dark, and more importantly why get involved call 911. I won't criticize I wasn't there but be careful.
2/24/2014 10:34:00 AM
Two things I don't understand why would you be on the 4300 Blk of Fullerton eating with your family after dark, and more importantly why get involved call 911. I won't criticize I wasn't there but be careful.
2/24/2014 10:34:00 AM
you just did criticize him. we cant win, even with our own. how about maybe the guy wanted to eat there. What the fuck is it to you? Maybe he felt that his family needed protecting. Maybe he lives over there because he grew up there. Maybe he was on his way hoome after visiting family. Again, what the fuck is it to you.
He got involved because he felt at the time that taking action was warranted. That's called being the police. Read the side of the car. PROTECTING. Weis runs away, he gets rightfully ripped. That female PO gets caught on video bailing on the arrest at walmart or where ever, she gets correctly excoriated. This guy takes action, and he gets second guessed all over the place. All the monday morning QB's.
how about saying this:
Great job, officer. Proud to serve with you.
Anonymous Fullerton foot post said...
I work in 025 and there isn't a single restaurant along Fullerton. Av I would take my family while off duty. That being said glad to hear to officer is ok.
2/24/2014 09:24:00 AM
Some copper you are! Who the hell are you to judge another Officer and his actions!
I got a newsflash for you! There are shitbirds in 016 by your house these days, too!
Not all coppers and their families live in "Copland of 016 District", and with morons that judge like you, I would NOT want to live in your neighborhood!
Until we get rid of residency in this city, no place in this city is safe! Shit happens everywhere these days!
Just look at the crime blogs of 016, 017, 019 and 020 Districts, nothing but assholes, yet you think your better than anyone else!
I hope your a better back up than a judge! Something tells me NOT!
I remember once that I was having lunch in a Micky-D's with my young daughter and this fool was boasting loudly to his I suppose what was going to be one of his Baby-Mamas.
He kept going on he was going to, "FUXX HIM IN THE A$$!!"
He kept repeating that over and over until I turned around and said, "HEY! We got kids around here."
He looked around the dinning room and shut up. My daughter and I quietly left and as we did I had my right hand on revolver in my pocket.
Glad all worked out for you officer, and I hope that the reporting officers were smart enough to use your station address for your family members in the reports.
Good job, officer! Glad you and yours are OK. You did the right thing; no need for any of us to second guess you. As for the naysayers, saying not to get involved, call 9-1-1, etc., Calling 9-1-1 only ensures that the shitheads will get away with whatever they're doing. By the time the on-duty troops arrive, it will be all over, and you'll get second guessed for not taking action yourself, by the same ones who bitched that you shouldn't get involved! So you did it right- our thanks to you!
Good job office, I wasn't there not sure what the circumstances where just glad you and your family are ok.. A lot of the above comments from POs that are talking out of their Asses " sure they are the same POs that drive away from a 10-1, Stay down on the music disturbance for an hour, and just always bitch about the whole job" ...... Because they are the REAL POLICE!!! You can't judge so go back and fuck your selfs....
For another fine hood dining experience also try "Tasty Beef" on Chicago/Ridgeway, they have an awesome Gyro Burger... Bon appétit!
Don't compare the off duty walking into robbery in 016 to this almost disaster. One why are you taking your family into ghetto to eat? Two why would one get involved with two shitbirds about to fight each other while off duty? Call 911 or leave. Think anyone cares? Enjoy your honorable in same envelope with your visit to corp council.
Office, I always step in to shit! It is who I am! You saw, you dealt with, and you conquered! Way to be the wolf and not the chicken.
you can't choose when it is truly "go time". we have all been there when it doesn't go as planned. i.e. fight, take down, tazer ....etc This must have turned bad when most times it would have gone away. They are getting bolder. The officer technically has an obligation to be the police 24/7. Turn in a o.t. slip for taking police action and work on your aim. no where is safe. My wife can't even load groceries with children in the car in park ridge.
025 impact zone PPO said...
Those hooligans wouldn't dare try this along Diversy av. T-bone the Diversy foot guy has that street on lock down.
2/24/2014 04:52:00 PM
You must be joking. I like T-Bone. But he has the sweetest spot on the watch and yet he still does nothing. But that is ok. I have my beat car and I am happy with it. But please don't lie, cause when you state that some officer is a hard worker and he is not, that fucking irritates me.
If nothing else, this taught shithead a lesson. Point a weapon at Police, catch a couple of rounds for the trouble. Simple and effective. Im glad that no decent people were harmed.
For some of you assholes who are talking shit about this officers actions; GFY! GFY TWICE!!
Look, a lot of black and Latino officers grew up in not so pristine neighborhoods. We have family in "da hood". I myself live on 2534's beat. By North Avenue and Pulaski. I apologize in advance for not living in Edison Park. Oh by the way, the shit heads are living right by you and you don't do anything about it. But when an officer takes proactive action you criticize him. No one was there. Not a single one of you Monday morning quarterbacks. I trust that this officer made the right judgement. He was in fear for his life. Now if he just flashed his badge and took police action over some hood rats talking shit then he is dumb for it. But let's take the officer at his word ok.
they picked a fight with a police officer?
These criminals do not know fear. They are caught, and they are released. They walk around with hundreds of arrests, multiple armed robberies, these guys probably expect and will receive less than ten years for this shooting, and be back out there committing more crimes within the decade.
That's just scary. No thug fear anymore. Move
That is why I only take my family to Wilmette when we go out to dinner even though I live in 009. It's worth the drive to go to a beautiful suburb with fine dining establishments. With all the v.r.i. that I work it's easy for me to splurge on caviar, lobster sub sandwiches, and prime rib. I don't even bring my firearm because the area is so peaceful. If some white gangmember from Wilmette steps up to me a hardy swipe across his dome with my ivory handled walking stick is enough to deter the foul ruffian. However, if you do not work v.r.i. and are poor, then eating in the barrio is your best option.
Dinner at Kildare and Fullerton with the family? Officer, you are as soft as shit. Unfortunately we test for neither smarts nor common sense to take this job. Get a clue softball .
Shots fired on the street ALWAYS endanger all citizens nearby. This could have been handled better.
2/24/2014 11:11:00 AM
Shut up nit wit civilian....
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Thanks for having the balls to get involved Office! These mutts are counting on weak men to look the other way, or wait...... for help. Frank Pape never looked the other way or waited for anyone.
2/24/2014 08:22:00 AM
Yeah, how many of Frank Pape's shootouts were with his family standing there while they were out for dinner? If it happens, it happens, but isn't it better to get the family safe first?
It wasn't a bank robbery, they were acting like idiots. Not life or death.
2/24/2014 05:46:00 PM
Anonymous said...
I agree. Putting your family in danger under any circumstances is unwarranted. It was not a situation where he had to take immediate action. Go to the bathroom and call 911 if you must. As police officers we expect some level of danger but not or family. Family first this bogus title of ours last. City will not back you. Off duty I am not the police, but a father and husband to those who matter to me the most.
Guarantee if these shitheads were acting like such savages they are in a 16district family restaurant, someone would stand up and address the issue after no police officers show up, good shoot good luck officer remember looking the other way these savages are just gonna keep thinking it their place and fuck it if there families their or not...we just keep letting this disease spread. Just secure your family first before being reactive is the only advice. You should be able to take your family anywhere you want to dinner why let them act like it's their spot...
Wow...way too many Monday morning quarterbacks. You weren't there. Don't fucking judge. If this PO hadn't done anything and the disturbance escalated, everyone would be talking shit about him not taking action.
Uh…when you're out with your family, CALLING IT IN ON YOUR CELL is 'taking action.' The off-duty is very fortunate that it worked out like it did. Family first, period.
Frank Pape never looked the other way or waited for anyone.
Frank Pape and Sylvester Washington (two gun Pete) are relics of a time that doesn't exist anymore. People didn't challenge what you do and how you acted, or reacted, as a policeman back then. Today, both of those men would have either been fired or jailed, or likely both.
Since people seem to be talking about this P.O's family: it seems to me that this officer made his family proud.
Everyone that would have sat there with their head down staring at their food pretending not to notice wouldn't have done a fucking thing, not because their family was there, but because they're fucking cowards without that uniform on.
Thank you for being the police and protecting.
Also, I agree with whoever said, who cares where the fuck he eats. The whole city sucks. Jag off infest everywhere.
I've noticed on here that when a cop does something good there is like 40 posts; half of which are telling him what he did wrong and what they would have done differently. If he fucks up there is like 250 posts.
We really are our own worst enemy.
-025 District Cop
To those that are questioning why the Officer in question chose to eat at that location, I know of at least two CPD Officers that live within blocks of that restaurant. They should be able to patronize local businesses shouldn't they.I say good job Officer whoever you are. I'm glad you and your family are safe.
Anonymous said...
For some of you assholes who are talking shit about this officers actions; GFY! GFY TWICE!!
Look, a lot of black and Latino officers grew up in not so pristine neighborhoods. We have family in "da hood". I myself live on 2534's beat. By North Avenue and Pulaski. I apologize in advance for not living in Edison Park. Oh by the way, the shit heads are living right by you and you don't do anything about it. But when an officer takes proactive action you criticize him. No one was there. Not a single one of you Monday morning quarterbacks. I trust that this officer made the right judgement. He was in fear for his life. Now if he just flashed his badge and took police action over some hood rats talking shit then he is dumb for it. But let's take the officer at his word ok.
2/24/2014 11:08:00 PM
Thanks for over exaggerating. No one said you had to live in 016. I don't. But given the situation it seems as though it wasn't worth the puffy chest and the macho shoulders. You live in 025. Statistically you and your family are in more danger than those who live in 008,016 and 022. Just going by the numbers. You like it? Enjoy it! No need to apologize for growing up "in da hood" just try to better yourself. This isn't about race as you have mentioned. It's about making the right decision at the right time. 3 on 1? Never good. Even you should be able to do that math. Showing badge to idiots talking smack? Overly authoritative. Following them outside? Bad move. All this in front of the family? WRONG!
016 District Section 8 said...
Don't compare the off duty walking into robbery in 016 to this almost disaster. One why are you taking your family into ghetto to eat? Two why would one get involved with two shitbirds about to fight each other while off duty? Call 911 or leave. Think anyone cares? Enjoy your honorable in same envelope with your visit to corp council.
2/24/2014 10:15:00 PM
I agree 100% !!!!!!
(725 ILCS 5/107-16)
Sec. 107-16. Apprehension of offender. It is the duty of every sheriff, coroner, and every marshal, policeman, or other officer of an incorporated city, town, or village, having the power of a sheriff, when a criminal offense or breach of the peace is committed or attempted in his or her presence, forthwith to apprehend the offender and bring him or her before a judge, to be dealt with according to law; to suppress all riots and unlawful assemblies, and to keep the peace, and without delay to serve and execute all warrants and other process to him or her lawfully directed.
(Source: P.A. 89-234, eff. 1-1-96.)
great work officer you sir are a hero never mind the political hacks and clout do nothings who said you should not have gotten involved , they all probally from bridgeport , you did the right thing and i for one commend you , im glad it turned all right for you and your family
P.S. to "...Glad all worked out for you officer, and I hope that the reporting officers were smart enough to use your station address for your family members in the reports.
2/24/2014 08:01:00 PM"
Home phone numbers, cell phone accounts, car registrations, anything and everything gets registered to the Post Office Box. If these gang bangers get hold of the reports through their lawyers or whatever let them throw a brick through the Post Office window,
We all can't live in the high rent neighborhoods. Thanks, officer, for protecting my neighborhood.
Sometimes, I actually miss those pesky old gaylords.
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