Fire and Re-Hire!
- A year after Camden disbanded its police department and brought in a new one with more officers on the street, reported crime has dropped significantly in a city that still ranks as dangerous by any measure.
After years of doing little more than responding to emergency calls, police are on intensive neighborhood patrols, a move that has sent drug dealers scattering. But residents, advocates and officials agree that law enforcement alone can go only so far to heal a city that is also among the nation's most impoverished.
- The bold effort to fix the problem was to get rid of the city police department and the union contract that city officials found onerous. The city contracted with the Camden County government, which built a new police force. The Camden County Metro police patrol only in Camden, not its suburbs. Clerical, analytical and crime-scene processing jobs once done by gun-carrying sworn officers were given to civilians, and most of the cops were put on beats on the street.
The new department — featuring many of the same officers and the same chief — took over officially on May 1, 2013. When a new class graduates from the academy and hits the streets in July, the city will have more than 400 police officers, up from about 175 at its lowest.
Fire everyone, then hire them back at a fraction of the wages, reorganize and ::ta-da!:: no more pension problems!
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
63 Comments:
Something is a foot.
The only thing for sure is that contracts mean shit these days.
And most cops and firemen thought it was just teachers. There was no way the city would come after us. I knew this was happening in Camden in 2010. Yes, there was a small department there, but we have been down 4-5k officers and they are hiring how many how quickly? We will see after this summer... The city workers MUST ALL band together against this prick and back up the quote that was on his Chicagoland show that he orchestrated... "Chicagoans don't put up with the bullshit."
We'll see...
Low pay creates an atmosphere for graft. O.W. Wilson suggested better pay to deal with the problem, along with other suggestions.
Excellent idea. It gets rid of the stupid pensions which should never have been, but were extorted from the city by the police union. BTW even FDR, thought allowing public workers to unionize was a bad idea.
Yes thats pretty much it!
Don't think this could happen here but you never know.
Here it comes!
The Cocked-Hat Public Safety, Security and Customer Service Agents of Chicago...
No state standards.
No state qualifications or certification.
Zero tolerance enforcement of MCC violations geared toward forcible extraction of revenue from the tax payers.
Rahm's personal cadre of "brown shirts" with which to stifle dissent.
Any former CPD will be hunted, harassed and disarmed?
The Public will cheer the madness anyway.
Right?
"It's ALL you greedy COPS fault!"
12:23....
the only people that will want this job if it's turned into a low wage, no protection gig will be criminals.
I hope they get you and yours first.
FDR? Who gives a shit about FDR? He was as much a piece of shit as the current President. Are his initials supposed mean something special to us? Just another democraptic failure.
Camden is about the size of Englewood. Now times Camden by 10 and you have the "Chiraq." Or Little Mogadishu as I call it.
"Back in the day" the pay was shit and so were the benefits. The police found other ways to supplement their income. Cops are very creative. Think it won't happen again?
I wish I could say that this is a horrible idea, but this could also get rid of a lot of horrible cops. Let's face it - a sizeable percentage of CPD is comprised of merit hacks, quota hires and sociopaths. Weed them out and have real police and perhaps things can get done.
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0T>fire will pay more per check for pension but they have me too clause with sgts so they can ask for a bigger raise to make up the difference
First of all, FU Bruce Raunner...stay off the blog with this shit "BTW even FDR, thought allowing public workers to unionize was a bad idea."
Second,
"The Cocked-Hat Public Safety, Security and Customer Service Agents of Chicago" we are Top Flight Security of the World Craig. I see it now, two guys in a guard shack in every strip mall parking lot. Flashlights and whistles... cant wait.
I remember when New Orleans was about the lowest paid big city PD in the country. Looked what happened there with corruption and inferior policing. But the idea touted is typical of the a politician attacks a problem.
Not a bad idea, especially when we have a lot of DEAD WEIGHT DO NOTHING COPPERS from all ranks on this job, get rid of some of our so called exempt leaders who are worth nothing and install some bosses with balls and knowledge. I spent a lot of years on this job and recently retired and when I now see what kind of coppers we are stuck with I just cringe, We definitely need a new Superintendent, one from our own ranks.
Maybe if the Police Officers in this city would do some work we wouldn't have to worry about this. Maybe if we would agree to civiianize inside jobs we wouldn't have this problem. The truth is the majority of the Chicago Police dept does little or no work.
I'm a supervisor. I asked one of my cars the other day why they came in with 1 parking ticket (the parking ticket was a job) and nothing else? They immediately said I was harrassing them. I explained to them that they only had 3 jobs during their tour (I took 4 jobs by myself). They had two different times during their tour where they were available for over 3 hours. They generated nothing. They didn't back anybody up. They were wasting gas. They being the little crybabys that they are went to se the Lt the next day. God forbid they do some police work.
These clowns and their fellow do nothings will be the first ones crying when the pension is changed or their pay is cut. I will be smiling saying I told you so. The government trough is about to dry up. The blame lies at the feet of the government workers and nobody else.
Free the taxpayer from the tyranny of the unions.
Don't give RAM any ideas
Hope their mortgages and children's' tuitions get reduced accordingly
To all the retirees crowing about getting out of this "shithole", guess what? When the pension checks stop coming, yours are included, right? Therefore, you still have a pretty big investment in the future of this "shithole", right? Not saying that it isn't all gonna come tumbling down, you just don't have to cheer for it so much. You'll go through that deferred comp like crap through a goose. Then what?
It's not all about pay, either. WORKING CONDITIONS have a whole lot to do with employee satisfaction. Why have you seen so many police officers from the CPD bailing in droves, even among the executive ranks? Because the job has digressed over the past 5 or so years into a hostile work environment. When you see a cmdr of 022 abdicate the chair in less than a year, you know there are some serious wrongs going on at the job.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Excellent idea. It gets rid of the stupid pensions which should never have been, but were extorted from the city by the police union. BTW even FDR, thought allowing public workers to unionize was a bad idea.
4/30/2014 12:23:00 AM
Don't forget to secure your occutard flag to your bicycle before you walk in to report to work at Wendy's.
Rahm's gotta be getting a chubby over this.
Although firing and rehiring 11,000 officers is significantly more complicated than 175 officers like in Camden.
I wouldn't put anything past Rahm, the union busting, Dictator though.
Excellent idea. It gets rid of the stupid pensions which should never have been, but were extorted from the city by the police union. BTW even FDR, thought allowing public workers to unionize was a bad idea.
4/30/2014 12:23:00 AM
GFY troll!!
What is a battle-tested P.O.? what a stupid phrase to come out of the two rags that pose as newspapers. how about saying experienced or veteran street wise. anything to sell papers thru sensationalism.
Can we "fire" all the free loading, generational welfare leeches and then bring them back at a fraction of what they were getting. This way they would have to get a job.
we have been down 4-5k officers
first rule of being taken seriously, be credible, we're down about 2k
Civilian here, trying to understand. Police can't call for a strike because it's not allowed under their contract. So they don't dare utter the dirty word for fear of losing their jobs... which they may lose anyway?
Anonymous said...
And most cops and firemen thought it was just teachers. There was no way the city would come after us. I knew this was happening in Camden in 2010. Yes, there was a small department there, but we have been down 4-5k officers and they are hiring how many how quickly? We will see after this summer... The city workers MUST ALL band together against this prick and back up the quote that was on his Chicagoland show that he orchestrated... "Chicagoans don't put up with the bullshit."
We'll see...
4/30/2014 12:18:00 AM
Seriously? Chicagoans DO put up with this bullshit, and are famous for doing so for decades. They are utterly dependent on the city government for just about everything at this point, and continue to vote for the same people that continue to destroy them. There is no unity. There is no marching. There is no coming together. There is pissing, moaning, and that's about it. The time to make a statement happened the day Rahm was allowed to stay on the ballet after not even being a resident. We are going to get steamrolled. Actually, we ARE BEING steamrolled. And that's what Chicagoans are famous for. Being blindsided, rolling over, looking the other way, and cheering for a sports team or admiring the bean while their future is in flames right in front of them.
Could hey do thus here? Sure they do whatever they want, but watch you think tax paying honest people are leaving now, the flight would be even worse. Rahm and Gary really need to resign, that would gain them respect, you fail you resign not a hard concept.
What happened to their pension contributions?
I'm sure that there is a "Daily Log" which shows ALL the crime in every district and every beat.
If someone could get them, make copies, and pass them off to the fine citizens of Chicago maybe then they will see that MORE are needed above what we already have.
Just sayin'
when certain segments of CHICAGO are aware of New Street Policing Model: CTA + PARKS + CHA EQUALS
what will happen next is these certain segments of CHICAGO will spread their crimes of violence into other non-existence crimes of violence areas - Who will respond swiftly and effectively?
VOTE FOR THIS MAYOR OUT OF OFFICE AND ANY ALDERMAN WHO CONTINUOUSLY SUPPORT THIS MAYOR'S AGENDA!
I'm a supervisor. I asked one of my cars the other day why they came in with 1 parking ticket (the parking ticket was a job) and nothing else? They immediately said I was harrassing them. I explained to them that they only had 3 jobs during their tour (I took 4 jobs by myself). They had two different times during their tour where they were available for over 3 hours. They generated nothing. They didn't back anybody up. They were wasting gas. They being the little crybabys that they are went to se the Lt the next day. God forbid they do some police work.
You must be a real joy to work for. And what can you do to them for not having any activity? Nothing. Get over it and reward those that actually do the work and let the others fall by the waste side.
@ 4/30/2014 07:10:00 AM...
Not just at strip malls friend.
City fucking wide and chosen from within "the community."
CPD is being destroyed for THIS as a replacement.
"Fuck you cops and your pensions!"
People should.
Be careful.
What they.
Wish for.
The problem of the whole Pension mess started in the Daley Administration with all the Pension Holiday Bullshit!
If the city had done what they are mandated to do, we would NOT be in this poor financial condition the little stuttering prick left this city!
Then the council want to give the idiot a standing ovation!
Mayor Daley was the worst Mayor of Chicago in its history!
Perfect example for "Term limits"!
If it is good enough for the U.S. President! It is a no brainer for city hall goofs!
http://datatools.urban.org/features/SLEPP/index.html
some rankings on public pensions, the grades for police in Illinois makes a statement.
I know a lot of things Rahm gets a chubby over.
Now, Kees me you fool!!!!
Believe me, it has nothing to do with running a city.
Now, Kees me you fool!!!!
You must be a real joy to work for. And what can you do to them for not having any activity? Nothing. Get over it and reward those that actually do the work and let the others fall by the waste side.
4/30/2014 03:14:00 PM
You're kidding right?
1 parker and Up Available for 3 hours with no other activity for the Shift?
Be glad you don't work for us at Finance. You are Expected to do 1 parker per 30 minutes OR call your Supervisor Over the Air and tell them you can't find Any Illegal Parking anywhere in your Beat.
But maybe you're right.
How dare a Sgt or Lt (merit or legit test taker) expect you to do something to justify that 61,530 a year paycheck.
Crime Prevention by Visibility is a great thing. But it isn't the only thing you are expected to do during your shift. Law Enforcement Officer also covers Municipal enforcement of parking and vehicle compliance.
Run some darn plates and see if they match the vehicle they are on...hit a dealership for parking their cars on the street with no plates and a covered VIN (like over by Milwaukee and Karlov).
Not hard to at least do something that lets your boss know you're not a waste of O2.
ave been down 4-5k officers
first rule of being taken seriously, be credible, we're down about 2k
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What, you work at 35th street? Stretching stories...
CPD is budgeted for roughly 13k officers. We have to be alarmingly close to 9k or else they would not have run a few academy classes through over the last 2 years. These new hires will maintain about 9k total. So, yeah, ill stick to the low end of 4k and call you out. If your numbers are supplied by the CPD, look elsewhere because that will also include house mice and gmac fluff . CPD also puts out report s of lowest crime rate in 50 years as it re shuffles numbers. I do take the comment seriously. What color was the kool-aid this morning?
FDR, was by far, the worst president of the twentieth century. He is the author, of the whole socialist nightmare that we, as a country, are in right now.
What supervisor would handle assignments while a beat car does zero . Hope you make lieutenant so you will have balls on your star . Grow a set , p---y.
Say no to Rahms pal in the 41st Ward, Mary O'Connor.
We have about 9000 police officers. 1000 detectives/e.t.s/other specialists
(I know, they are all police officers, but they have a different employee code)
We also have about 1500+ supervisors.
We are currently budgeted for about 13500 sworn personnel. The Department has fluctuated between 11000 and 13800 for the past fifty years. The major difference is we have a population of about 800,000 less than 50yrs ago, when staffing levels were around 11000.Of course 1964 was not as violent as today, but 1984 was and 1974 and 1994 were more so.
No I am not a company man but there is no need to exaggerate the problem. The city should be held answerable to why we are down 2000.
13500-9000-1000-1500= 2000
These clowns and their fellow do nothings will be the first ones crying when the pension is changed or their pay is cut. I will be smiling saying I told you so. The government trough is about to dry up. The blame lies at the feet of the government workers and nobody else.
4/30/2014 07:28:00 AM
As a retired lieutenant from CPD, I say amen brother, amen. You speak the truth. Ban unions from bribing our stat legislature and things will change. I am voting for Bruce rauner and hoping for something good to come out of it. Quinn is a corrupt patsy . The democrats and the unions are spreading lies and exaggerations about rauner as they are afraid of him.
Say no to Rahms pal in the 41st Ward, Mary O'Connor.
4/30/2014 10:27:00 PM
OK. You have been posting here for over a year. Who is your replacement?
Any exempt personal should not receive a pension at that rate. Any merit person shouldn't either. You were hired as a police that's as high as that pension should go. Public Pensions are for you to live off of not to get rich.
Chicago Tribune - Breaking News - Ex-Ald. Mell starts lobbying firm with help of daughter Patti Blagojevich
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/1723/article/p2p-80040126/
Maybe the FOP had the wrong lobbing firm to begin with the pension and contract talks? They need these bottom feeding scumbag leeches to tell lies, swear at and threaten to get what they want. They both beat the FBI and other feds while Blago took the heat!
We have about 9000 police officers. 1000 detectives/e.t.s/other specialists
(I know, they are all police officers, but they have a different employee code)
We also have about 1500+ supervisors.
We are currently budgeted for about 13500 sworn personnel. The Department has fluctuated between 11000 and 13800 for the past fifty years. The major difference is we have a population of about 800,000 less than 50yrs ago, when staffing levels were around 11000.Of course 1964 was not as violent as today, but 1984 was and 1974 and 1994 were more so.
No I am not a company man but there is no need to exaggerate the problem. The city should be held answerable to why we are down 2000.
13500-9000-1000-1500= 2000
You are making the wrong argument.
First you are wrong about the CPD being budgeted for 13,500 You are a year behind. Rahm wrote out about 1200 pos from the budget last year.
If the population is down 800,000 why would we need the same number of po's. That makes no sense, as the city population decreases, you keep the same number of po's.
No agreeing, just saying.
Anonymous said...
ave been down 4-5k officers
first rule of being taken seriously, be credible, we're down about 2k
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What, you work at 35th street? Stretching stories...
CPD is budgeted for roughly 13k officers. We have to be alarmingly close to 9k or else they would not have run a few academy classes through over the last 2 years. These new hires will maintain about 9k total. So, yeah, ill stick to the low end of 4k and call you out. If your numbers are supplied by the CPD, look elsewhere because that will also include house mice and gmac fluff . CPD also puts out report s of lowest crime rate in 50 years as it re shuffles numbers. I do take the comment seriously. What color was the kool-aid this morning?
Your story from the original post is not credible.
CPD budget for sworn personnel is approx 12,300 after the mayor wrote out over a 1,000 last year.
At this time there are a little over 12,000 sworn members on the job. You don't have to believe me, call the pension board, they have the figures. Check CLEAR and run the codes of po's, bosses,etc and you will get that amount.
No reason the pension board would lie, they give you the number of sworn personnel paying into the pension, plain and simple.
The FOP, collects dues from about10,500 active members of the bargaining unit. Add about 1500 white shirts, and there are about 12,000 people on the job.
City budget for 2014 calls for 12,538 sworn members on the CPD.
Free the taxpayer from the tyranny of the unions? Great, then all we have to worry about is the tyranny of the corporations and government who will then totally own us as slaves. Brilliant solution! We are already heading in that direction anyway. Enjoy fighting for the leftover scraps, mr. Or mrs. Schadenfreude! Socialism at its best, let's all be miserable together because only then will it be fair...
Anonymous said...
Excellent idea. It gets rid of the stupid pensions which should never have been, but were extorted from the city by the police union. BTW even FDR, thought allowing public workers to unionize was a bad idea.
4/30/2014 12:23:00 AM
GFY troll!!
4/30/2014 08:31:00 AM
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He might be a troll, but FDR and George Meany, national secretary-treasurer of the American Federation of Labor opposed collective bargaining rights for government employees.
Municipal employees used to make shit wages. They got great pensions and nice health care packages. Extra vacations and lots of holidays made these a desirable job even though the pay was low. Now, after 30 or 40 years of recession proof wage increases, oh, they were small raises, but they were never ending raises that have now culminated in many run of the mill municipal employees making a six figure wage package. The tax payer pays for this. The only ones that get a better deal are the public aid recipients, they work zero and are always getting a new perk added to their employment package or a small, never ending increase in their benefit package.
Tell me now, if it were your business, would you pay that much money to all of those people in your roll call for what they do? I think not. Would you pay public aid recipients what they get? Of course not.
Unless the economy can get turned around and get some real revenue growth through increased private sector activity, be prepared for a haircut. The public views us as lazy and overpaid. The thing I don't understand is why they don't think of welfare breeders the same way? They do absolutely nothing and are always lining up to get whatever government largesse that's available, that is, when they're not locked up for breaking the law.
You must be a real joy to work for. And what can you do to them for not having any activity? Nothing. Get over it and reward those that actually do the work and let the others fall by the waste side.
You can bounce them off their cherished beat :-)
I was unsure of Rahm's success in eliminating the 1400 spots. Most of the articles that came up in google just spoke of him wanting to. I finally found the right one, so 12300 budgeted sounds about right.
As far as the force increasing in the past fifty years, and now decreasing, I think it has more to do with the increase of assholes in this city and the amount of good people that fled. I got those numbers from the book End of Watch which despite Burke's input is a pretty good source. I'm not happy about being down 2k from what we were several years ago, but there is no way we are down 4-5k.
Just sayin as well
Anonymous said...
Excellent idea. It gets rid of the stupid pensions which should never have been, but were extorted from the city by the police union. BTW even FDR, thought allowing public workers to unionize was a bad idea.
4/30/2014 12:23:00 AM
Yeah, the Police don't deserve the pensions they worked for.
GFY,asshole.
FDR didn't want them to unionize because then he couldn't control them.
Anonymous said...
FDR, was by far, the worst president of the twentieth century. He is the author, of the whole socialist nightmare that we, as a country, are in right now.
4/30/2014 08:38:00 PM
He learned from Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt,(2 other progressive assholes).
I'm a supervisor. I asked one of my cars the other day why they came in with 1 parking ticket (the parking ticket was a job) and nothing else? They immediately said I was harrassing them. I explained to them that they only had 3 jobs during their tour (I took 4 jobs by myself). They had two different times during their tour where they were available for over 3 hours. They generated nothing. They didn't back anybody up. They were wasting gas. They being the little crybabys that they are went to se the Lt the next day. God forbid they do some police work
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I am retired as a dick for a few !
Sgt - you allowed these punks to dress you down with their answer. Document everything these pricks do. Spar and spar them again. You see them roll through a stop sign, spar them. Nit pick the fuck out these assholes.
My Sgt was the boss. Guys that fucked with him, got a ucking. The thing was, all of us guys with time on, knew the game to a tee. These hair gels want to bring in zero; every day ! Bull shit. In my short lived patrol day's. The W/C said we are down on moves, parkers, etc for the period. He got the numbers he needed plus a few more to keep it close from the year prior.
Let these no time OTJ file their bs grievances that go no where anyway.
If they are affecting the watch, do paper on them saying they might need to see the shrinks. That get's everyone' attention.
For most of these no years OTJ copper', this is their first full time job and they never seen the outside world doing shit work for shit pay like doing road work in minus 20 below weather or the other extreme and make more money.
I blame the supervisors for letting these dog;s run scott free. Bring in a little revenue for the city. City hall see' that copper' are playing this game.
The city did not need revenue whore civilains that would right a squad car and hate coppers, if the copper' of today did their job like 10 short years ago.
Lastly Sgt, rake care of the people that bring in the number'. If the zero check off copper', see and don't like it, fuck em.
to the sgt. and retired dick,....sgt you should be happy at least these officers showed up to work, im sure if these po's had to take action 10-1 etc. they would be there...yeah i hear you bout showing up with zero's as you know thats citywide alot of unhappy campers out there, since its a concern to you maybe you can take the hey whats up approach? ask them if everythings ok? see if there is a concern that you can address?? by you coming at them with that b/s line expect that line in return. besides ur a sgt, let the po's handle the jobs wtf!! and for the retired DICK your an asshat making that kind of suggestion, i mean what the fuck kinda shit is that? are you for real? these po's show up to work and come in with zeros oh well... thats the entire city,,, yeah lets spar 2/3 of the dept. get real get a life enjoy ur retirement, mind ur own bizzzz and shut the fuck up!!!
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