Ironic
- Leonore Draper was minutes away from entering her West Pullman home after an anti-violence charity event she attended Friday night when she was shot and killed.
Police found Draper, 32, shot in the chest and arm in a parked car near her home in the 11600 block of South Laflin Street in the West Pullman neighborhood on the Far South Side at about 10:35 p.m., about 30 minutes after the fundraiser she went to was over. She was pronounced dead at Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn at 12:32 a.m., according to the medical examiner's office.
“The irony behind her getting shot… is beyond me,” said Fallon Barrett, 33, who has been close friends with Draper since high school. “I feel like I’m in this really bad dream that I wanna wake up from.”
You and the entire Pullman neighborhood Mr. Barrett. And Roseland. And Bronzeville. And pretty much the entire South side. And West side for that matter.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
83 Comments:
The animals will shoot at any thing. May the Good Lord Bless her soul.
This woman was assassinated. This was not a random drive by shooting. She lived in a decent Black neighborhood and was shot at 2:00am coming home from an anti-gang meeting. Connect the dots detectives.
The liberals will propose another gun law that will only impact legit citizens who obey the gun laws on the books now. If liberals really wanted to propose laws to stop the shootings/killings they should write laws that put offenders away for a minimum of 20yrs when caught using a firearm in a crime and for life - since we don't impose a death sentence anymore in Illinois - when using a firearm in a homicide without the chance of parole. But that ain't going to happen in Illinois, because it would adversely impact minorities. Well if it is the minorities who are doing the majority of the shootings, then it should impact them. Until then the carnage will continue while liberals propose feel good gun laws that only impact law abiding citizens.
Not to worry, when they make Pullman a National Park there will be Park Rangers around to warn about the dangers of forest fires.
Embrace the rage that is spreading across the city. Demand that the devils provide the equality they have been promising for the past fifty years.
Us decent black folk have been trying for years to help fix the black community and image. The problem is government handing people free stuff. It creates generation after generation of people that dont work and instead run the streets sell dope and gang bang. The government needs to stop rewarding bad behavior!
There are only two (2) effective Anti-Violence strategies out there:
1. Lock up the bad guys and keep them locked up, for a long time. This would require the judges and ASAs doing their jobs.
2. Concealed Carry - defend yourself, your home and your family. Every locale that has implemented CCW has enjoyed reduced crime rates
Everything else is just pissing in the wind...jobs programs, midnight basketball, fake revruns marching. All worthless
"Rahm, you want to field this one?"
He'll just say it's the lax gun laws.
He'll also say it's got little to do with the weather and nothing to do with police manpower shortages.
Why do I get the impression that someone who is coming home from an "anti-violence charity event" is going to be less-than-optimally prepared to deal with the possibility of violence?
While her death is sad, these liberals and their feel-good BS about "raising awareness of blah-blah" are just pathetic. Trust me, everyone in the nation is fully aware of the violence plaguing Chicago.
Why don't these groups start having "Let's Start Assigning Blame" meetings, following by "Fix This God-Forsaken Hell Hole" initiatives....
Virtually everywhere in the country,even Chicago, is experiencing lower crime rates. Conceal Carry has nothing to do with it.
For almost all of my life I have judged people by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. For every Neil DeGrasse-Tyson or MLK there are thousands without character content or moral/social value. Is it solely my fault for feeling as I do or do people of color bear much of the blame. I was not born to mistrust or to distance myself from people of color, they taught me. The safety of my family and my self depends upon being aware of people of color and the (lack of) culture they embrace.
"This woman was assassinated. This was not a random drive by shooting. She lived in a decent Black neighborhood and was shot at 2:00am coming home from an anti-gang meeting. Connect the dots detectives."
4/27/2014 12:40:00 AM
Conspiracy guy get your facts straight. She was already pronounced dead at 12:30 am and she attended a fundraiser cocktail & dessert party.
Anti-Gang meetings at two a.m.?
Where you at now Jesse you Fu***ng coward, go march against gang violence and let it be known she didn't die in vain. Hey and the other coward big head Al you going to join Jesse.
Parades don't solve crimes!
Reveruns don't solve problems!
simple people seek simple solution.
Mc-jersey offer a lot of stolen ideas
remember closing the areas or snitch boxes.
But he looks good on scripted shows as the tough guy supe on chicago land.
The U.S. Attorney General himself has said that to many people of color are in jail. There is inequality in sentencing. Putting more people of color in jail or prison is not the answer. Maybe the politicians should listen to and heed their grievances, and do more to help the needy poor.
This never would have happened if the schools had been air conditioned
Sounds like a hit. Rip
GODSPEED to her, don't know her but read her history, she tried to make a difference. Watched the news and Jesse jackass was on talking about how.bad the guns are, another pompous pos ass, shut up Jesse why are you not in jail like your criminal son? You stole money from taxpayers through the government all the way from the 1960's with operation "breadbasket" like father flaky you inflamed rather than desecalate crime!
Domestic related or a robbery, carry on.
Us decent black folk have been trying for years to help fix the black community and image. The problem is government handing people free stuff. It creates generation after generation of people that dont work and instead run the streets sell dope and gang bang. The government needs to stop rewarding bad behavior
As a white guy on this job who has spent most of his career working in neighborhoods that are primarily African American, I know that there are many good decent Black people out there. You are correct in what you say. The free stuff and phony sence of entitlement has not worked,and needs to be stopped. My question to you is why do the good people in the black community continue to vote overwhelmingly for the democratic party, the political party that aids and abets your communities downhill spiral?
This. Shows. Things. Are. Out of control.
A well placed contact card or ANOV over her bullet holes and some added pressure would have stemmed the flow of blood and saved this poor woman's life! Thats what McDumbass says, these are the tools that will prevent the loss of life in these violent times. Oh wait . . . thats not how he meant it . . . never mind.
Anonymous said...
Not to worry, when they make Pullman a National Park there will be Park Rangers around to warn about the dangers of forest fires.
4/27/2014 12:47:00 AM
The readers and writers for this blog and the newspapers and TV outlets have never understood exactly where Pullman exists geographically.
116th & Laflin is about 3 miles from Pullman as the crow flies and farther if driven. Hell, it's not even close to West Pullman. It's not even a mile from the 22nd District station in West Morgan Park.
If you see it on the internet it's real.
Oh, and I'm a French model.
You know what I totally agree with the blogger when he states for generations the government has crippled my community the black community. I am a black female officer on the job for 17 years and it not only breaks my heart it's very disturbing to see the down spiraling of young black men and women. If the government insist on giving my people money make them earn it. They should work from 9 to 5 cleaning up the neighborhoods where our children are literally destroying throwing candy paper on the ground, pop cans, milk bottles ect. I'm just fucking sick and tired of the free hand outs. If they ass miss going to work doc their pay. You will begin to see a difference in their I deserve this free entitlement attitude. The government should be ashamed for doing this to my community and my community should be ashame for allowing them to do it to them. The next group of people who will be soon destroyed by the same free hand outs are the Hispanics who straight gangster the United States and came illegally and between the free hand outs to blacks and all the millions of illegals who now are getting even getting more free shit including education, money, food stamps and the write to drive. It just eaves me speechless. What the fuck is really happening to our grat country.
I saw Jesse Jackson in mourning over this tragic shooting. He will do anything to exploit and profit from the misery of his own people. This woman was part of the effort to change things, now she is just another stat. The DESTRUCTION OF THE PROJECTS PUT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF WELFARE MUTTS INTO STRUGGLING BLACK MIDDLE CLASS NEIGHBORHOODS. Not to worry, they have rent vouchers so they will now also be moving into White Working Class Hoods, and they will change their schools and quality of life.
she didn't follow Rahm and Garry's instructions to cower in fear until the good guys get there I guess huh?
I agree, she was a target. She was made and example of what happens to true leaders who go up against the gangs.
Hunt down the disease that did this to her and you will find out that this is the truth. Fear keeps the good people from doing good things.
..I guess she should have stayed a little longer..
This woman was assassinated. This was not a random drive by shooting. She lived in a decent Black neighborhood and was shot at 2:00am coming home from an anti-gang meeting. Connect the dots detectives.
4/27/2014 12:40:00 AM
Nice black neighborhood?? 116th and Laflin is not a nice black neighborhood. And as a matter of fact there are no nice neighborhoods in Chicago left anymore period. Also I'm sure the detectives really don't need your outstanding advice on what happened in this case.
Anonymous said...
Us decent black folk have been trying for years to help fix the black community and image. The problem is government handing people free stuff. It creates generation after generation of people that dont work and instead run the streets sell dope and gang bang. The government needs to stop rewarding bad behavior!
4/27/2014 02:27:00 AM
I agree with you. Those handouts only keep the community down. No incentive to work for a living and make something of yourself. Sometimes I actually wonder if it's done on purpose as a way to keep the black community down. It's sad, but what other conclusion can u draw?
By not hiring the thousands of officers to being the department back to 13500, rahm is telling every citizen of chiraq they mean nothing.
Remember, rahm has his security detail to protect him and his family and home.
Otherwise it's Everyman for himself.
I don't buy the "drive by shooting" victim story that the media wants to promote. This was a hit. That's not a street where people are getting lit up all the time. That's where people who work are living.
She crossed paths with somebody who wanted her dead.
As an earlier poster noted, locking up minority criminals is impacting the minority communities. It seems that not locking these pieces of shit up is impacting the minorities, and others, more.
But hey, how can you get more gubment programs if da violence goes away.
The Progressives have made this culture we now enjoy. These neighborhoods are out of control and the too many residents have no pride in ownership. They never worked for it. They were given what they have by the Government.
Forgive, forget, and make sure they vote Democratic. The Democrats caused the problem, they cannot fix it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This woman was assassinated. This was not a random drive by shooting. She lived in a decent Black neighborhood and was shot at 2:00am coming home from an anti-gang meeting. Connect the dots detectives.
4/27/2014 12:40:00 AM
Learn to read Asshat. It was 2230. (10:30 for non-police.)
Us decent black folk have been trying for years to help fix the black community and image. The problem is government handing people free stuff. It creates generation after generation of people that dont work and instead run the streets sell dope and gang bang. The government needs to stop rewarding bad behavior!
It is nice to see that someone else has the same view I do. Handing people someone (generation after generation) creates no incentive for the individual to take responsibility for himself. However, that is against the liberal philosophy.
Us decent black folk have been trying for years to help fix the black community and image. The problem is government handing people free stuff. It creates generation after generation of people that dont work and instead run the streets sell dope and gang bang. The government needs to stop rewarding bad behavior!
thankyou..
Why do I get the impression that someone who is coming home from an "anti-violence charity event" is going to be less-than-optimally prepared to deal with the possibility of violence?
cant speak about the victim, but most of them are liberal idiots who support our socialist political criminals.
Anonymous said...
Why do I get the impression that someone who is coming home from an "anti-violence charity event" is going to be less-than-optimally prepared to deal with the possibility of violence?
4/27/2014 04:16:00 AM
This was not a random shooting.
It is totally amazing that the aldermen of the crime riddled south and west sides haven't called for McCarthy's resignation. Remember McCarthy is the highest paid city employee at $306,000 a year, even more then the mayor. In corporate America, if you weren't doing your job, you would be on the chopping block. Remember, these are McCarthy's strategies that are being implemented and quite frankly that are failing. Every alderman should be demanding a change!
excellent articles about pensionshttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/randi-weingarten/the-real-retirement-crisi_b_5222036.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
Embrace the rage that is spreading across the city. Demand that the devils provide the equality they have been promising for the past fifty years.
4/27/2014 01:38:00 AM
No one is gonna provide you with shit. Go out, get a job and earn it. Lazy POS fuck. Cant find a job? Guess dropping out of high school to sell weed was a bad idea hugh?
Us decent black folk have been trying for years to help fix the black community and image. The problem is government handing people free stuff. It creates generation after generation of people that dont work and instead run the streets sell dope and gang bang. The government needs to stop rewarding bad behavior!
4/27/2014 02:27:00 AM
Thatsrite
To Fallon Barrett:
The bad dream is on the 5th Floor in City Hall, also the Cook County President & States Atty Office.
Keeping Democrats in office year after year is the reason law and order has diminished.
But really, crime is down overall. Trust me.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This woman was assassinated. This was not a random drive by shooting. She lived in a decent Black neighborhood and was shot at 2:00am coming home from an anti-gang meeting. Connect the dots detectives.
4/27/2014 12:40:00 AM
Only YOU could have thought of this. NO ONE but you has a functioning thought process, right?
"Demand that the devils provide the equality they have been promising for the past fifty years."
4/27/2014 01:38:00 AM
We all get the same 24 hours each day. It's up to us what we do with it.
"Equality of opportunity does not guarantee equality of results."
Its an awful tragedy along with a human loss with a person who stood up and brought awareness to what is an everyday way of life in some parts of the city. Yes its ironic. Returning home from an anti-violence charity event only to be a victim of violence.
I’m sure the charity event was like a pep rally for political figures with lots of choice food, wine and upscale attire. The praises were heaped upon the efforts and concern of the aldermen, state reps, state senators, U.S. congressmen, pastors and government. In the meantime the killing continues unabated with no meaningful solution in sight.
Too many look to government to solve their problems. The solutions start in the homes of all those disrespectful boys and girls who grow up to be out of control. A discussion by family of what’s right and wrong and instilling some moral values with an occasional swat on the ass is a good start. How about advancing the return of the family, parenting and personal responsibility in these areas most associated with all this senseless mayhem. How about this as a fundemental anti-violence strategy.
1. Lock up the bad guys and keep them locked up, for a long time. This would require the judges and ASAs doing their jobs.
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Have you ever taken a social science class in college? The social justice classes are the best. The people that write the books you have to read are dedicated left wingers. The laws are written to lock up brown and black people because white people are afraid of them and the long prison sentences are to keep them out of the job market so white people can get a job. Prisons are profitable jobs programs for rural whites. Making it illegal for felons to vote keeps brown and black from voting, so that's a conspiracy against them also. If someone has plenty of money and uses "affluenza" as a defense, of course, it's white privilege if that person gets off.
I could go on some more, but you get the drift and these people actually believe this and unfortunately, many of the students buy into this.
RIP lady. You gave back to the community and God will welcome you into Heaven. The predators and savages cut your life short. Who to blame? The liberal, cock sucking politicians. The merit hacks promoted to Exempts who were never police officers. 90 percent of the exempt staff have no balls. Their handcuffs still brand new from the academy. But they have fancy degrees but couldn't catch a crook at 26th and California. That's why our CPD was destroyed by these college wanna be police but scared of their own shadow.
Who should be charged for her murder?
Offender #1 former Mayor Richard "Shortshank" Daley
Offender #2 Former Supt Fat ass Phil Cline.
Offender #3 States Attorney Anita "Lying" Alvarez
Offender #4 Supt. Gary "McDrunk" McCarthy
Offender #5 Mayor Emanuel "Ballerina" Rahm
This was a conspiracy for blood money. It started with Daley and his projects around the city to steal money and continues with Rahn who supports money grabbing hedge fund Cronies for DePaul Stadium, Hilton Hotel, bike lanes, and that wench Maggie Daley Park. Millions stolen by Daley and Rahm. In competent leadership who destroyed CPD by Cline and McCarthy. Alvarez making deals with the devil and letting the savages back on the streets.
Not enough police officers, closing police districts, squad cars looking like they belong in a third world country. Outdated and not enough ambulances. But Daley and Rahm getting richer.
RIP good citizen.
The Keesing Bandit said...
Anti-Gang meetings at two a.m.?
4/27/2014 06:40:00 AM
A fundraising cocktail party is not an Anti-Gang meeting and she got shot around 10:30 & was deceased at 12:30 . So what are you talking about.?
" The Bear said...
For almost all of my life I have judged people by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. For every Neil DeGrasse-Tyson or MLK there are thousands without character content or moral/social value. Is it solely my fault for feeling as I do or do people of color bear much of the blame. I was not born to mistrust or to distance myself from people of color, they taught me. The safety of my family and my self depends upon being aware of people of color and the (lack of) culture they embrace."
Stop coloring Black people with the same brush. I'm Black, was raised middle class with other middle class Black people. I'm college educated as are most of the Black people I know on this job and outside of it. The unfortunate and disappointing part of your statement is that your experience on this job with Black criminals has become your cautionary tail about us in general. When I have dealt with various White offenders or drug addicted White people it has never dawned on me to think of them as somehow representative of White people as a group. They are individuals. If the only Black people you know give you know give you pause regarding the safety of you and your family then perhaps you need to choose better. Wherever you work I am certain there are Black officers, widen your circle make some friends. And the street life, gang culture is not THE culture of an entire race of people it is at best a subculture that is embraced by a segment of Black people certainly not the whole.
Pamala Evans
The next thing you know we'll have to start locking up the good people so the bad people can't shoot them.
Hire more Police.
Take the handcuffs off of the Police you got.
Miss Evans,
Would Dr. King have approved of the subculture you address? You, Miss Evans, and the black middle class need to speak up en masse and refuse to allow the sub culture to dominate your lives. I stand by my statement and am no longer willing to give the sub culture the benefit of the doubt.
Pamala Evans at 4:44 PM
I've got your back, Pam. While I'll never know it all, a disproportionate number of black officers taught me more about being streetwise in my first three years in Fillmo' than many officers will learn in their entire career. Like in my college years, many black people I met are a credit to humanity. Notwithstanding, a disproportionate amount of blacks are the most dangerous scum of the earth.
I'll never forget my 011 partner on my very first job on my very first night on the street on a seemingly "routine" disturbance in the tavern call at 358 1/2 S. Pulaski Rd. God bless the late A'Roterick "Ronnie" McLaughlin. My blue brother shot an armed cop killer wannabe and saved our lives.
As our then commander, the late George Sims said, "In Fillmo', we're not black or white. We're all BLUE."
60 years of democrat social engineering...all to keep blacks from being successful and they won...congrats libtards...you have the utopia you wanted.
Your neighborhoods can be safe and clean and all it cost you was the black nuclear family.
To all the blacks and "colored" out there...wake up and start realizing how you've been screwed like a two dollar whore.
Pamala Evans said...
" The Bear said...
For almost all of my life I have judged people by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. For every Neil DeGrasse-Tyson or MLK there are thousands without character content or moral/social value. Is it solely my fault for feeling as I do or do people of color bear much of the blame. I was not born to mistrust or to distance myself from people of color, they taught me. The safety of my family and my self depends upon being aware of people of color and the (lack of) culture they embrace."
Stop coloring Black people with the same brush. I'm Black, was raised middle class with other middle class Black people. I'm college educated as are most of the Black people I know on this job and outside of it. The unfortunate and disappointing part of your statement is that your experience on this job with Black criminals has become your cautionary tail about us in general. When I have dealt with various White offenders or drug addicted White people it has never dawned on me to think of them as somehow representative of White people as a group. They are individuals. If the only Black people you know give you know give you pause regarding the safety of you and your family then perhaps you need to choose better. Wherever you work I am certain there are Black officers, widen your circle make some friends. And the street life, gang culture is not THE culture of an entire race of people it is at best a subculture that is embraced by a segment of Black people certainly not the whole.
Pamala Evans
4/27/2014 04:44:00 PM
So many white officers never met a black man without an IR number. They don't know there are decent people trying to lead a decent life like everybody else. I spoke with lots of young officers who never were around black kids growing up. They come on this job and get sent to 007 and feel like they just parachuted into Mars. So many people tend to paint with a very wide brush. Not meaning to be a bleeding heart but there are lots of good decent people of color in this city. I met a nurse at Cook County Hospital who was just an angel on earth, she was a kind person, helping save lives no matter the color. What a sweeetheart, she put a smile on my face whenever I saw her.
116th and Laflin is a 5 minute bike ride from the heart of Beverly. No place is safe in this city.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Not to worry, when they make Pullman a National Park there will be Park Rangers around to warn about the dangers of forest fires.
4/27/2014 12:47:00 AM
The readers and writers for this blog and the newspapers and TV outlets have never understood exactly where Pullman exists geographically.
116th & Laflin is about 3 miles from Pullman as the crow flies and farther if driven. Hell, it's not even close to West Pullman. It's not even a mile from the 22nd District station in West Morgan Park.
If you see it on the internet it's real.
Oh, and I'm a French model.
yeah , they do this shit with Humboldt park. they keep moving way out west to Pulaski and say its west Humboldt park..... no where near Humboldt park. it ends
at Kedzie. But hey they should move wrigleyville west too, to California ave. and call it west wrigleyville . IDIOTS!
A fundraising cocktail party is not an Anti-Gang meeting and she got shot around 10:30 & was deceased at 12:30 . So what are you talking about.?
4/27/2014 04:15:00 PM
What he means is when innocents are shot now a days,.you HAVE to find some way to place the blame on the victim and not the shooter, even fuck up (lie?) About the facts, but raise all hell at the same time when someone blames the gun and not the shooter. Take for instance when a kid is shot. Yeah, maybe a 8 year old probably shouldn't be out at 9:30 pm, but WHAT THE FUCK does that matter as soon as that kid was shot? That fucking shooter shouldn't have the gun. He/she shouldn't be out. That child should be able to enjoy his/her childhood with out worrying about getting fucking shot.
The handouts exist to keep the democrats in office and to keep their voting base ever present. But the great truth is that nothing in the black community will change unless they take responsibility for themselves and their community. Time to own up to the truth that there is a serious issue with criminal behavior in the black community. Nothing will change unless they want it to. And they won't want to as long as the democrats keep giving them money for keeping them in office.
"The Bear said...
Miss Evans,
Would Dr. King have approved of the subculture you address? You, Miss Evans, and the black middle class need to speak up en masse and refuse to allow the sub culture to dominate your lives. I stand by my statement and am no longer willing to give the sub culture the benefit of the doubt."
Once again you're demonstrating that you simply The Bear said...
Miss Evans,
Would Dr. King have approved of the subculture you address? You, Miss Evans, and the black middle class need to speak up en masse and refuse to allow the sub culture to dominate your lives. I stand by my statement and am no longer willing to give the sub culture the benefit of the doubt.
get it. The subculture has no part or place in my life anymore than it occurs to you to make it a part of
yours. Do you spend time with the criminal element that exists in your race? Why do you assume I do? And why do you feel my life is at all dominated by those whose values aren't consistent with my own? Why do you assume that Black people are responsible for the behavior of others or that's it our job to correct it? Do you take any responsibility for the criminals and drug addicts that exist within your race? Once again generalizations that you feel are applicable are useless. I'm not speaking as an advocate for the subculture, I'm simply letting you know that it exists. I'm not seeking approval for it from you or anyone else. You need to understand that it is the exception not the rule.
I am a civilian who grew up on the South Side and lived there for 20+ years.
My dad and grandfather were cops in Chicago. Dad 1968-2012, grandfather 1931-1965.
I remember some quotes my dad often said. At times like this, hopefully it will help you all to read them.
"If you're the police, be the police"
"Don't burn your bridges. You never know the future"
"Blue is the only color that matters"
"You can never tell from looking at somebody, who or what they are"
and finally:
"Be careful out there!"
"Why do I get the impression that someone who is coming home from an "anti-violence charity event" is going to be less-than-optimally prepared to deal with the possibility of violence?"
"cant speak about the victim, but most of them are liberal idiots who support our socialist political criminals."
My point exactly.
I'm white, and I say, all scumbags should be treated like dirt, and given the harshest possible penalties. I want scumbags to rot in jail permanently, white or black. I don't care if they kill or rape a white person, or a black person, or a brown person, I want no mercy for the criminal. This is the same view that I believe every white person I know would have. In all honesty and forthrightness, I can't say that I get the same impression from the black community regarding black scumbags. My expectation is that, while a small portion may feel the same way, that a much larger portion of the "black community" would feel that black offenders should receive leniency, because there are SO MANY black offenders, and that MUST be a result of racism. Since when do we have "white justice" and "black justice"? If a person commits a crime, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES THEIR SKIN COLOR MAKE? Just so happens that a lot more crime is perpetrated by blacks, so what? It seems that we're heading towards some kind of a reverse-quota mentality though, in which the sheer numbers of black criminals are going to be treated more leniently on the whole, because they are so overrepresented. What I'd like to hear from the "black community" is more reasonable talk about color-blind justice, "if the shoe fits" and all that, not "how can we be more lenient on blacks that are criminals?" Screw criminals! They are representative of NO community, aside from the criminal community.
"What he means is when innocents are shot now a days,.you HAVE to find some way to place the blame on the victim and not the shooter....Yeah, maybe a 8 year old probably shouldn't be out at 9:30 pm, but WHAT THE FUCK does that matter as soon as that kid was shot?"
So under the law, if I get wasted drunk and drive home and don't have an accident, is that ok? Personally, I believe that it IS ok, law should be based on outcomes, not risky behavior. Same with cell phones. But this isn't the way things are going. If you're driving drunk, that's a crime. If you're texting while driving, that's a crime. And if an 8 year old is out after curfew, THAT'S a crime. The parents should be punished, and it should be severe. And if your kid is out after curfew and gets shot, sure, the shooting is a crime, but it happened BECAUSE the kid was out late, at a time when they're more likely to be a victim of (or a participant in) crime. If your kid is dead, yes, that's horrible. If they were out after curfew, there HAVE to be questions, if we're going to question every other form of risky behavior.
Got that right. Pullman is east of Cottage Grove, folks.
The readers and writers for this blog and the newspapers and TV outlets have never understood exactly where Pullman exists geographically.
116th & Laflin is about 3 miles from Pullman as the crow flies and farther if driven. Hell, it's not even close to West Pullman. It's not even a mile from the 22nd District station in West Morgan Park.
If you see it on the internet it's real. ...
4/27/2014 08:38:00 AM
One last comment please, SCC, addressed to Miss Evans.
She wrote: " Why do you assume that Black people are responsible for the behavior of others or that it is our job to correct it?"
Miss Evans, isn't that opinion a large part of the problem. Absolving yourself and the dominant Black, law abiding Middle Class absolving itself from responsibility for correcting a deviant sub-culture almost surely guarantees its' continuation. Silence assumes tacit approval.
Additionally you wrote, "Do you take any responsibility for the criminals and drug addicts that exist within your race?"
Yes, Miss Evans, I do.
Thank you SCC
"The U.S. Attorney General himself has said that to many people of color are in jail. There is inequality in sentencing. Putting more people of color in jail or prison is not the answer. Maybe the politicians should listen to and heed their grievances, and do more to help the needy poor."
I hope like hell this is sarcasm. If one commits the crime, one BELONGS IN JAIL, dumbass. Take this as exhibit A: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-man-gets-20-years-for-beating-boy-4-after-losing-video-gam-20140425,0,7432762.story
Here. I won't even make you go to the link: "As Clay was badly losing in the game he became enraged and pulled the sleeping boy out of his bed and slammed the boy to the ground, prosecutors said.
After that Clay put on the young boy's boxing gloves and began punching the child in the head and abdomen, prosecutors said."
What sort of subhuman BEAST does this? And it's a dime a dozen in this city every day. Multiply that across this tanking country. Yeah, you bet your ass there's a whole bunch of people of color in jail. There aren't enough jails to hold them all! Hence some criminals - dangerous ones at that - regularly go free, out to rape, rob, and deal over and over again. (Lakeview rapist, anyone?)
Here's another example of a "needy person of color": http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicago-crime-mother-murder-20140426,0,6078751.story
Again, what the fuck kind of ANIMAL does this? How many people are out there waiting to adopt a baby, and this POS stuffs hers in a plastic bag alive, throws it outside, and GOES BACK TO BED.
There is a HUGE contingency of people of color who have no morals, no desire for education, certainly no impulse control, no regard for any other living thing. Their main goals in life appear to be as much immediate gratification of whatever sort as possible.
"Do more to help the needy poor"? What more is there to do? They're catered to, PANDERED to, literally from cradle to grave in this country. No matter how much they're given, they want more, more, more for free, free, free. God forbid someone suggest they trade some work for all those benefits. Nope, that's racist.
I have NO SYMPATHY for these subsets of humanoid-type things. NONE.
"What I'd like to hear from the "black community" is more reasonable talk about color-blind justice, "if the shoe fits" and all that, not "how can we be more lenient on blacks that are criminals?" Screw criminals! They are representative of NO community, aside from the criminal community"
What I'd like you to realize is that we, as Black people, are not monolithic in thought or behavior. There is no group-think inspire of what you believe. Our thoughts and feelings on this topic are as individual as we are. Stop thinking of us a group.
"The Bear said...
Miss Evans,
Would Dr. King have approved of the subculture you address? You, Miss Evans, and the black middle class need to speak up en masse and refuse to allow the sub culture to dominate your lives. I stand by my statement and am no longer willing to give the sub culture the benefit of the doubt."
Once again you're demonstrating that you simply don't get it. The subculture has no part or place in my life anymore than it occurs to you to make it a part of yours. Do you spend time with the criminal element that exists in your race? Why do you assume I do? And why do feel my life is at all dominated by those whose values aren't consistent with my own? Why do you assume that Black people are somehow all responsible for the behavior of others or that it's our job to correct it? Do you take any responsibility for the criminals and drug addicts that exist within your race? Once again generalizations that you feel are applicable are actually useless. I'm not speaking on behalf of nor as an advocate of this subculture, I'm simply letting you know that it exists. And I'm not seeking the approval for it from you or anyone else. You need to understand that these behaviors are the exception not the rule. Black people, regardless of your beliefs, are not monolithic in our thoughts or actions we are diverse. And we are not responsible for the transgressions of everyone else who is Black. Responsibility is as individual as we are.
I watched channel 11, Chicago Tonight, last Friday when they discuss the weeks events. The topic of the comment made by the mayor came up in which he blamed the crime on lack of family values. The two black reporters on the panel, one from the sun times and one from TV news, both denied that this comment was accurate and instead blamed all of the violent crime in the black areas on the lack of employment. They were not challenged. Here we go again, the black crime blamed on something that is beyond the ability of the black population to control. No matter how this flies in the face of experience, academic research and other facts. Yes, it must be the fault of the society, no individual blame here. What BS with no one having the courage to bring out the truth lest they be called a racist and no on in authority in the black community willing to speak out on the matter using facts. At this rate it will never improve.
CCC, The civilian conservation core, was established during the great depression in order to keep the multitudes of unemployed busy. I say, lets do this again and I think it can work. Put the unemployed and uneducated in work camps, living, studying and praying together and working on government projects to repair and clean up highways, forests and parks. However, the unions would probably complain as they get the work and the unions pay off the politicians and the circle is formed.And, CCC would probably be called racist today when in the depression era the program was mostly white.
I could go on some more, but you get the drift and these people actually believe this and unfortunately, many of the students buy into this.
4/27/2014 01:36:00 PM
Yes, you are so correct. I actually had a white lawyer who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth tell me that the crime in the black community is caused by the police because the police, " over police" the area and arrest too many people. Now digest that comment for day or so and you will realize that this is not going to be solved for some time.
"What he means is when innocents are shot now a days,.you HAVE to find some way to place the blame on the victim and not the shooter....Yeah, maybe a 8 year old probably shouldn't be out at 9:30 pm, but WHAT THE FUCK does that matter as soon as that kid was shot?"
So under the law, if I get wasted drunk and drive home and don't have an accident, is that ok? Personally, I believe that it IS ok, law should be based on outcomes, not risky behavior. Same with cell phones. But this isn't the way things are going. If you're driving drunk, that's a crime. If you're texting while driving, that's a crime. And if an 8 year old is out after curfew, THAT'S a crime. The parents should be punished, and it should be severe. And if your kid is out after curfew and gets shot, sure, the shooting is a crime, but it happened BECAUSE the kid was out late, at a time when they're more likely to be a victim of (or a participant in) crime. If your kid is dead, yes, that's horrible. If they were out after curfew, there HAVE to be questions, if we're going to question every other form of risky behavior.
4/28/2014 12:16:00 AM
Point taken. But, how can you compare a child out after curfew to drunk driving? My point being something as innocent as a child out playing on a summer night getting shot to a crime that is easily controllable by the drunk driver with self-discipline is not fully comparable. Being out a hour later should not mean a death sentence like running up against a drunk driver might be. Another point I was trying to make was that when a child is shot after curfew, more emphasis is put on figuring out why the parent didn't have the child inside than on finding the shooter, or why the shooter was shooting in the first place. Curfew can not stop child murders. Sure, you could fine the parent, but that does nothing to bring the shooter to justice. All it does is punish a truly innocent mistake while giving shooters in cities (Chicago in particular, where it is statistically the most violent place for a child to live in the country) a sense of feeling that good citizens shouldn't enjoy life because "they know we warrin on this block".
One last comment please, SCC, addressed to Miss Evans.
She wrote: " Why do you assume that Black people are responsible for the behavior of others or that it is our job to correct it?"
Miss Evans, isn't that opinion a large part of the problem. Absolving yourself and the dominant Black, law abiding Middle Class absolving itself from responsibility for correcting a deviant sub-culture almost surely guarantees its' continuation. Silence assumes tacit approval.
Additionally you wrote, "Do you take any responsibility for the criminals and drug addicts that exist within your race?"
Yes, Miss Evans, I do.
Thank you SCC
4/28/2014 07:42:00 AM
I think it's great that you take responsibility for the miscreants in your race, but I too would like to ask why is it your responsibility? Why is it blacks responsibility? Why are blacks the only race shamed and singled out as a whole for the bad people in their race? I can understand taking responsibility on a economic level, but on a behavorial level, that is a ubelieveably impossible feat to ask someone to take resposibility for. This "sub culture" everyone mentions is only praised by the people who par-take in it and can only be crushed if the people who par-take in it decide to do better. They are well aware of the many blacks who've decided that is not the life they want and decide to do better. If that doesn't encourage the bad apples then there is almost nothing else that can be done.
Has anybody ever read the book... BEHOLD A PALE HORSE? William Cooper - former US navy intelligence officer.
He explained in great detail the government's long term plan to eliminate "undesireables" (blacks, hispanics, gays) by creating welfare and socialist programs creating a class of criminal element that will eventually destroy themselves slowly but surely. It's a good read. Gets very in depth about what we are seeing now and where it is going.
Miss Evans:
I see your point about not being able to do anything further for those who embrace the lifestyle of the sub-culture. With that in mind would you agree that throwing more money and social program's at the situation is therefore non-productive and should be completely eliminated? "There is almost nothing else that can be done." Miss Evens, I am in complete agreement with you. Thank you for your responses.
Thank you, SCC
" Anonymous said...
One last comment please, SCC, addressed to Miss Evans.
She wrote: " Why do you assume that Black people are responsible for the behavior of others or that it is our job to correct it?"
Miss Evans, isn't that opinion a large part of the problem. Absolving yourself and the dominant Black, law abiding Middle Class absolving itself from responsibility for correcting a deviant sub-culture almost surely guarantees its' continuation. Silence assumes tacit approval.
Additionally you wrote, "Do you take any responsibility for the criminals and drug addicts that exist within your race?"
Yes, Miss Evans, I do."
Thank you SCC
4/28/2014 07:42:00 AM
When I am working and encounter a situation where I feel I can offer something I do. I'm not opposed to doing that, if I feel have something of value to say. Though i dont agree with their behavior nor participate in it, we are the only race that is expected to take responsibility for and correct the behavior of others.
" The Bear said...
Miss Evans:
I see your point about not being able to do anything further for those who embrace the lifestyle of the sub-culture. With that in mind would you agree that throwing more money and social program's at the situation is therefore non-productive and should be completely eliminated? "There is almost nothing else that can be done." Miss Evens, I am in complete agreement with you. Thank you for your responses.
Thank you, SCC"
I think that government involvement is a huge problem because a lot of money is involved with little to no oversight. Often there doesn't seem to be concrete goals. If there is no standard or clear goal, how is success measured. Sometimes "programs" are thrown together with no intention of getting resources to a particular group of people. For instance, there is an investigation underway of an anti-violence program created by Quinn that it seems achieved absolutely nothing yet involved millions of dollars. It appears to have merely served as a slush fund for his friends such as Benton Cook III, husband of Dorothy Brown , who was paid about $146,000 as coordinator of the program, yet there is no evidence of work, any record of success or that resources reached anyone who was in need. This money appears to have been a pay-off for getting the vote out for Quinn in his last election. There are very few positive results so I can certainly see your point.
Dan Maratt0---
Your dad was a fine man. He is sorely missed.
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