Wait...We Worked....for Free?
- It has come to [the FOPS's] attention that members who worked the Chicago Park District Overtime Initiative were not properly compensated for dates worked during the month of April. The Lodge is aware of the problem and is actively working with the Department and the City of Chicago to rectify this issue as quickly as possible. We will post an update to the website once there is any type of resolution to this unfortunate situation. In the meantime, we ask you to retain record of any and all dates/times you have worked this program.
And the resolution appears to be, "We're sorry, it'll never happen again. We pinky swear!"
- The Chicago Police Department contacted the Lodge this morning to notify us that the Officers that were not compensated for the Chicago Park District Overtime initiative can expect to be paid on 22 June 2014. We at the Lodge understand the frustration this has caused our membership and have already begun a dialogue with the City to ensure this unacceptable oversight will not occur again.
So everyone will be paid a month late. Great.
Now how about sanctions against the City for fucking up? Some sort of penalty so they remember the importance of paying people on time. Because we all know what would happen it one of us "forgot" to pay a ticket or sent in a rubber-check for a water bill. We'd be looking at a bit of time to catch up on yard work on no-pay status. But the City can fuck us with impunity and suffer no consequences? Hello FOP??
Here's a bright idea - demand double pay for everyone who missed a check. Or better yet, have the FOP declare no members can work VRI until the City make whole the missed checks. It's not a job action because this is voluntary special employment. Someone works it anyway, expel them from the Lodge. No one working VRI for a week and the CompStat computers might just explode along with Rahm's head.
Now how about sanctions against the City for fucking up? Some sort of penalty so they remember the importance of paying people on time. Because we all know what would happen it one of us "forgot" to pay a ticket or sent in a rubber-check for a water bill. We'd be looking at a bit of time to catch up on yard work on no-pay status. But the City can fuck us with impunity and suffer no consequences? Hello FOP??
Here's a bright idea - demand double pay for everyone who missed a check. Or better yet, have the FOP declare no members can work VRI until the City make whole the missed checks. It's not a job action because this is voluntary special employment. Someone works it anyway, expel them from the Lodge. No one working VRI for a week and the CompStat computers might just explode along with Rahm's head.
Labels: FOP, money questions
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
57 Comments:
How about no activity for a 2 days straight, city wide!!
There's only an order and ordinance on indebtedness TO the city. So they do what they want. Try being late on water bill or parking fines.
You will never see me work for free. Heck I don't like to work at all but I like dollar signs. $$$$
MG
Expel them from the union? You're nuts.
First common sense argument I heard for not working Special Employment. I work everything I can get. We have to draw the line somewhere.
Dean isn't gonna do anything proactive for the FOP members. He will do the bare minimum to keep up appearances.
I called volunteering and is highly thought off. Now if each officer would just volunteer 8 free hours a week it would save the city a large amount of loot over the years. BTW Barrack Obama himself recommends and promotes volunteering.
DeaNo Great job at the Helm
I hope when you guys are working all this overtime your paying extra into the fop for all the extra work they have to do.
Yeah SCC... Let me give up $300 to "punish" the city... And then get dumped by the FOP? Does that mean I get to keep my dues? Win/Win
Lets dumb it down even further, nobody works vri until we have a contract and a pension fix.
Nice ideas, but the membership would jump ship.
How about getting the check when the city feels like paying and being thankful for it. Think about it next time you put in for special.
I had CHA south and north both miss a payment in the past. Special Employment said it was because the watch commander must have forgot to mark me as worked. I had to call the watch commander of 005 and 018 to make sure they marked it as worked. We are basically on our own in this matter make sure they mark you as worked or you will be short changed one month. I was paid on both occasions the following month but it was frustrating.
This should not surprise anyone. The new Sgts were cheated out of CAPS day by the city (a grievance was filed and they will get the time they should have earned). Some of the new Sgts still haven't received their pay increase (the city says the Sgts who didn't receive their raise will get they pay missed on June 1st). The city will do anything and everything to cheat the Police.
Meanwhile as a new Sgt I have had to SPAR multiple officers for indebtedness to the city. The officers I had to SPAR all paid their bills. They just paid late. The Officers have to prove they paid to the city.
The city is a tyrant!!!
Time for our NEWLY ELECTED FOP president to show us if he has bigger balls than Karen Lewis.
Here's an even brighter idea -- don't sign up to work any of these OT "initiatives" for the entire month of July.
Well the idea of having to pay a price was already floated by the FOP years ago...CRICKETS
I proposed a penalty of 25% for arbitration settlement 12months after a grievance is filed,50% after 2,75% after 3 and double the award after 4yrs.
That was simple common sense for money and comp time awarded since the city has NEVER had a reason to do the right thing and giving someone what they deserved all along should be the starting point to making whole, not the full award.
The membership really needs to press this issue as a whole while the contract is still open for negociation.
JohnCatanzara 008
Anonymous said...
Dean isn't gonna do anything proactive for the FOP members. He will do the bare minimum to keep up appearances.
5/24/2014 01:25:00 AM
No one can expect immediate results from the city. In the last 6 years under Mike, FOP lost power and prestige. Now Dean is consumed with damage control,negotiating the contract and fighting other battles. I bet Dean will not miss very crucial deadlines for letters that cost the membership thousands of dollars.
Silly SCC.
Don't you know that liberals were born without a math gene?
the police officer even used their own personal vehicles to get to-from the parks and back to the districts for their radios and assignments-fuel spent per mile is tax deductible calculate your mileage and cost of fuel for tax time. purchase a special auto insurance rider for using your vehicle and watch for the SPEED ZONE SAFE PARK CAMERAS!
Relax - you'll get your money.
More interesting that there've been no shootings.
Where is the FUCKING NATO 6th & 7th Day money?
It's going on 8 months since the City lost the grievance.
Dean Sr is no better than who was in his office before.
Oh, the FOP. The new crew is really on top of things, huh?
Wink, wink.
Uuuuh, I believe under state law wages for any employee must be paid within 30 days of the end of the pay period or an action can be filed. But then again, when has Chicago ever followed state law?!
So that means working extra now will get paid in August or dec nothing like waiting for our deserved earned money ! Wonder if alderman wait for their checks ever? Opps forgot they also get their extra in cash in large stuffed Manila envelopes!
Lodge ought to strike on ALL ot until we are under contract again. Let this place burn.
Any "sanctions" just come out of our taxes. Individual employees responsible need to be named and held accountable.
2 NEW CARS? PAID. Tuitions paid, credit cards? None. deffered comp? MAXED. I,M 48 and cant wait to retire.
There REALLY needs to be concerted and concentrated push-back from FOP against the city...
Violating the contract with impunity.
Yet FOP is wholly devoted to "taking the high road" and not hitting the city back.
Hey FOP!
Whose interest are you looking after?
Our's or the city's?
This "gentleman" strategy over the last 25+ years is a fail!
Your performance in advancing The Patrolman's cause and informing the public that our cares and concerns are their cares and concerns as well due to the captive nature of our employment, has been woefully and intentionally inadequate.
Why so reluctant for so long to fight hard for us?
Why isn't the city being crucified for maintaining Polkce facilities that have been known and notorious cancer clusters for the last 40+ years? What's wrong in Chicago that everybody but Policemen can have the expectation of a workplace where you don't hear about so many people battling cancer and ghastly upper respiratory ailments?
What about the sorry and dangerous fleet of vehicles we're compelled to drive?
The taxi industry has better maintained vehicles, for crying out loud!
Why aren't there teams of FOP members or trusted affiliates devoted to an ongoing counter-intelligence program to gather damaging/damning information on politicians and media members who use their standing to intentionally separate The Police from the good will of the public? Why is there such a big problem in Chicago with Policemen "fighting back?"
We had a REAL Captain of Police tell us some good stuff many years ago during the half hour before our very first roll call as a Chicago Policeman...
"I expect you to BE THE POLICE... I expect you to be fair to these people and to be professional... HOWEVER... I DON'T expect you or any of my Officers to be anybody's punching bag. You take care of business to make sure The Police go home in one piece and motherfuck anybody that doesn't like it. You have me, some good Lieutenants, good Sergeants and some of the best Officers in the city to help you..."
FOP...
Time to REALLY consider where your loyalties truly lie.
25+ years of doing "just enough"to prop up your talking point of "well, you guys coulda got much less without US" is BULLSHIT!
Uncurl yourselves from the fetal position at the feet of a malignant, misshapen, missing a digit less than a man who has never had to fight for a damned thing in his sad, sorry and stunted life and FIGHT HIM AND HiS KIND BACK!
We aren't ante-bellum slaves singing joyful work songs and content to wait on dying and going to a "Heaven" of THEIR design to reap a reward of THEIR choosing (which would be nothing) just because we wear Blue Suits with a Star pinned to our blouse.
Stand up! Fight back!
Represent US!
Or gracefully step aside and recuse yourselves for people who will...
Show us that the FOP isn't a rest home for those beholden to contrary interests.
As usual city screws up! Don't worry though plenty of taxpayers money for obummer library. Maggie Daley the crooks wife and she was also part of e criminal empire had millions to honor her! Park district (taxpayer meaning our) money. Keep working and not getting paid, wonder if the money for working days off now will be "delayed" like this atrocity? Just got my city sticker renewal in mail wonder if Susie Mendoza will be ok with us delaying it a couple if months should be ok correct? Wonder if Susie got a d-3 driver like the treasurer has with unlimited overtime?
Here's a bright idea - demand double pay for everyone who missed a check. Or better yet, have the FOP declare no members can work VRI until the City make whole the missed checks. It's not a job action because this is voluntary special employment. Someone works it anyway, expel them from the Lodge. No one working VRI for a week and the CompStat computers might just explode along with Rahm's head.
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SCC,
One of your best ideas yet.
Dean isn't gonna do anything proactive for the FOP members. He will do the bare minimum to keep up appearances.
5/24/2014 01:25:00 AM
No one can expect immediate results from the city. In the last 6 years under Mike, FOP lost power and prestige. Now Dean is consumed with damage control,negotiating the contract and fighting other battles. I bet Dean will not miss very crucial deadlines for letters that cost the membership thousands of dollars.
Mike was a tool and should have never been elected, but he was in there less than three years. The "new fop" isn't new. Dean was in as a field rep under Bill Nolan. He gave us the health insurance we have today and took the company card to Hooters. All on our dime. The damage control was the letter and I believe that will work itself out in the end. But Dean has shown me so far that all he is doing is wasting money. Someone must ask to see how much the new law firm is costing us. . Between that and him taking care of his buddies Bill Nolan and John Dineen at $600 per month. Its going to hurt.
The FOP is the Mayor's lap dog.
We've lost something in every contract for the past 30 years.
I have always believed that the city should hold themselves to the same standard that they hold its employees to.
Anonymous said...
Dean isn't gonna do anything proactive for the FOP members. He will do the bare minimum to keep up appearances.
5/24/2014 01:25:00 AM
Bill, get over it and get some sleep.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Lodge ought to strike on ALL ot until we are under contract again. Let this place burn.
5/24/2014 10:39:00 AM
YOUR house and car first.
Wow, the FOP actually does something for the membership?
I tried the same thing with my water bill. It was shut off!
...still waiting for the NATO 6th day $.
What would happen if you didn't PAY the city it's money on time?
FOP needs to explore penalties for these types of pay delays. No free rides Rahm.
This monetary fuckery has been going on in various forms over the last few months. Wouldn't doubt it one bit if slimy Napolean is behind it.
As if it's not bad enough that 9.5 and McFailure are putting these officers at a huge risk on foot in parks in the ghetto but now they "accidentally" wink, wink fuck up the pay?
Gee where can I sign up for some of that?
Wake up people!
Sorry NATO time was given about two weeks ago. Money not yet. Park district not suppose to use your own car . City could issue a hard check which is what fop should push for. Will they probably not interest on my money probably not.
Well the idea of having to pay a price was already floated by the FOP years ago...CRICKETS
I proposed a penalty of 25% for arbitration settlement 12months after a grievance is filed,50% after 2,75% after 3 and double the award after 4yrs.
That was simple common sense for money and comp time awarded since the city has NEVER had a reason to do the right thing and giving someone what they deserved all along should be the starting point to making whole, not the full award.
The membership really needs to press this issue as a whole while the contract is still open for negociation.
JohnCatanzara 008
There also has to be punishment and penalties on exempts that openly violate the contract. I'm not saying in misunderstandings or different interpretations of the contract, but in outright violations, where damage is done and a year or two the po gets he should have had before the grievance.
jcat said...
Well the idea of having to pay a price was already floated by the FOP years ago...CRICKETS
I proposed a penalty of 25% for arbitration settlement 12months after a grievance is filed,50% after 2,75% after 3 and double the award after 4yrs.
That was simple common sense for money and comp time awarded since the city has NEVER had a reason to do the right thing and giving someone what they deserved all along should be the starting point to making whole, not the full award.
The membership really needs to press this issue as a whole while the contract is still open for negociation.
JohnCatanzara 008
And how do you propose to get the city to agree to that proposal? Its not in the contract and they would never agree.
I used to substitute teach for cps years back. It literally took 6-8 months to get paid,,,,,,,the only bigger city bureaucracies than CPD are CPS and the Park District
you money hungry morons will continue to work special no matter how much the city jags you over. they could tell you they can't afford to pay you till december and you goofs wil still be lining up to work it.
fools.....
Several years ago I was lucky enough to land a D-2 spot. After several pay cycles I noticed no step raise. I grieved it, waited 19 months to get paid. I was finally paid to the penny with no interest. The city could care less!
Anonymous said...
jcat said...
Well the idea of having to pay a price was already floated by the FOP years ago...CRICKETS
I proposed a penalty of 25% for arbitration settlement 12months after a grievance is filed,50% after 2,75% after 3 and double the award after 4yrs.
That was simple common sense for money and comp time awarded since the city has NEVER had a reason to do the right thing and giving someone what they deserved all along should be the starting point to making whole, not the full award.
The membership really needs to press this issue as a whole while the contract is still open for negociation.
JohnCatanzara 008
And how do you propose to get the city to agree to that proposal? Its not in the contract and they would never agree.
5/24/2014 07:43:00 PM
I'm not certain if this is the answer but bravo to the officer for having the balls to use his name ... I think.
Dont get your panties in a bunch. The check is in thr mail. The Harley payment may be a little late too...
you money hungry morons will continue to work special no matter how much the city jags you over. they could tell you they can't afford to pay you till december and you goofs wil still be lining up to work it.
fools.....
5/24/2014 08:48:00 PM
I would just worry about myself and not what other po's are doing. I personally don't work it,but if others choose to and wait to get paid that is their business and right to do so.
Here's a bright idea - demand double pay for everyone who missed a check. Or better yet, have the FOP declare no members can work VRI until the City make whole the missed checks. It's not a job action because this is voluntary special employment. Someone works it anyway, expel them from the Lodge. No one working VRI for a week and the CompStat computers might just explode along with Rahm's head.
You call this a bright idea? FOP can't demand anything. FOP declare members can't work a voluntary program? Where do you come up with crap, expel the members for working VRI? Come on.
Here's a bright idea - demand double pay for everyone who missed a check. Or better yet, have the FOP declare no members can work VRI until the City make whole the missed checks. It's not a job action because this is voluntary special employment. Someone works it anyway, expel them from the Lodge. No one working VRI for a week and the CompStat computers might just explode along with Rahm's head.
If FOP had all this power,why use it on VRI? Just have them demand a 25% pay raise and then no one would have to work VRI. Crazy idea, yea about as crazy as yours.
Problems paying people at the correct rate and the correct amount are not unique to the Chicago PD.
Fixing it after the fact is often a non-trivial thing, as the pay period has been closed out accounting wise so the normal means of paying people is no longer available.
One would think that organizations that run into this problem periodically would come up with some way to deal with it, but for whatever reason they tend not to.
Guys hire your own attorney and sue these people personally, they will settle quickly
Anonymous said...
Guys hire your own attorney and sue these people personally, they will settle quickly
5/25/2014 03:20:00
What planet are you on? Your attorney is really going to scare the city who has thousands of attorneys who can stall your suit for years if they want to ,all the time you asre paying your attorney fees. Drop that retainer and pay $250 to collect an overtime check.
Go for it, and good luck.
Why didn't the FOP hierarchy get a Hooter's Mastercard before wasting precious $$$ dining at Hooters? Bonus airline mileage for every ten pounds of buffalo chicken wings inhaled and 25% off a four hour nap at The Ohio House too good for them?
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