No More "Quotas!"
- Legislation signed Sunday by Gov. Pat Quinn bans Illinois police departments from assigning ticket quotas and evaluating officers based on how many citations they issue.
Quinn, a Democrat, said the new law will allow police to use their judgment in deciding whether to ticket a driver. The law, which applies to local, county and state law enforcement, took effect immediately.
“Law enforcement officers should have discretion on when and where to issue traffic citations and not be forced to ticket motorists to satisfy a quota system,” the governor said in a news release. “This new law will improve safety and working conditions for police officers and prevent motorists from facing unnecessary anxiety when they encounter a police vehicle.”
Now get out there and get some "index" numbers Officers! And remember, if you want to work VRI, you better have the bare minimum activity the bosses tell you to have - you can always choose not to generate the necessary activity, but then you won't be getting any OT. See how that works?
And didn't we always have discretion anyway? We can't think of an instance where we were ordered to write tickets. There were always situations where it was required by law, and others where the ticket was the probable cause for something else, but ordered as a quota? Anyone stupid enough to order that got their cages rattled pretty quick by the powers-that-be. Another useless piece of legislation.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
64 Comments:
Well this should now eliminate the bullshit requirement that you have to have so many tickets Parker's anov etc to work VRI.
What the state needs to do away with is hiring quotas.
I don't think it useless at all. I pains me to see a dozen cops standing on the side of the road, not in cars but standing on a street corner near a traffic light, looking for people not wearing their seat belts. If that's all the department planned to do then dump more cops cause that's a drain on productive people and just as bad as the welfare drain of people who don't want to get a job. To Serve TICKETS and Protect THE RULING CLASS. First responder to get a govt paycheck and not help tax paying citizen from real violent criminals!
It's just a law.
So what it doesn't mean it will be enforced.
We have immigration laws too.
Laws regarding free speech and laws regarding the right to bear arms.
That doesn't stop the powers that be sticking you in a free speech zone for compstat points regardless of their oath to the constitution.
We have so-called laws to protect our pensions and what do they all mean?!
Y'all made your bed as they say.
Everyman for themselves. Get what you can while you can and rationalize to yourself by repeating the words "i'm only doing my job"
Hoo-ray for me and eff you. Because the bosses know they can divide and concur the pensions, the unions and the people.
Money over morals so if they want quotas you'll give them quotas whether they find a new word that conjures up a different meaning or not.
Morality sell outs.
If you like your health plan you get to keep your health plan.
Raising the debt ceiling doesn't raise the debt PERIOD.
The FISA court says no due process for you. So much for the constitutional protections **POOF** like the pensions.
If you're not an Obama supporter then sic the IRS on them and audit their taxes.
I mean seriously, ya know?
Russian roulette with Vet healthcare and waiting list for bonuses. Homeless vets in the streets while the "for the children" card is being played for illegal immigrants pour across the boarder being put up in military bases being fed, clothed, their immigration attorneys paid for by the USA taxpayers. And of course the verdict is in and we can't break up the families so after the kids are sent here the parents get a free ride to the Sanctuary city.
One fucked up operation ain't it?
Can someone tell the Militant LT. GH in 005? Somebody got her on a cell phone video recently saying CPD doesn't have quotas, but if you want time due she is checking your activity! Meritorious Militant!!!!!!
Whew!!!!! That's a relief. My dog ass bosses may have had to deny ducks based on activity otherwise! ;)
It's not a Quota,We're low on movers parkers and contact cards,If you are not told to write a specific number,Its not a Quota.
We can't think of an instance where we were ordered to write tickets....
SCC, ever work a seatbelt and dui Safety Check lane?
Not so, SCC. some officers evaluations were lowered BECAUSE they didn't write enough movers. see 010.
Does this law apply to overtime quotas, such as having at least 5 tickets of every revenue category, to get VRI? I think rahm and company will get around the law! Rahm is Snake!
Now if they can apply this to contact cards. Every fucking day we are told "you are down xx contact cards, better get x more". Why the hell do you need the exact same number of contact cards that you had last year? If there was a situation that called for 5 cards to be written, the following year you need to make the same circumstances fall into place so you can write 5 again? Makes no sense. Anyway, you fools keep running out their and bending the rules a little, get creative with your writing of reasonable suspicion to get these cards. When you get jammed up, I'm sure the sergeant will bring his clipboard showing the number of cards the beat was down that day and back you up.
Phew. Now I can work VRI without having to jump through those activity, quota based numbers.
Thanks Pat Quinn.
Quinn's eye-candy to get re-elected for the low-information voters.
Less traffic stops, less tickets, less hassle. Yeah, right.
In typical CPD fashion, nothing will change and it'll still be disguised as an "index".
Just like numbers can be manipulated via CONStat, so too can verbiage be used as a means to an end. Remember when the memo came out saying that the words "shootings" and "stabbings" were to be "treated like the 'N' word" and replaced with "aggravated battery" so as to not cause alarm amongst the Sheeple?
See? Problem fixed. Now go get the boss 5 Parkers and a few contact cards if you want to keep that early car.
Suckers.
"Another useless piece of legislation."
And timed accordingly during his re-election campaign for governor.
Co-inkydink? No, just 'politics' as usual.
Am I required to continue generating two contact cards per my tour? My hand hurts!
All those rumors of tickets being written as a revenue generator have been put to rest in my book. Thank you Governor Potato Head for that important piece of Legislation. And you are an idiot.
What does this bill accomplish? Total waste of time, but then again the people who vote for the demorats in charge think its great, you know the illegals "no license give a chance on the jello light" and the welfare "I bee spended officer" crowd. Just a feel good for that crowd!
Hey mr cement head open up some casinos in Chicago, stop the bullshit use the old McCormick place get er done goof, before we are taxed to death by the rahm formerly Daley theft machine!
I think this was already determined by an arbitrator that the department can require activity for an overtime initative just like they can require a certain amount of DUI's for the DUI strike force overtime initative.
There is no quota. Its called an "index".
12:24:00am
You said it brother.
I was never told to come in with a ticket or two or ten worked from 68 to 2005 but I know Traffic had I believe 15 movers a day back then I worked tact because I made it part time job when they started paying to go to court when I did work a beat car I remember sgt.'s saying bring up your tickets [movers] which I hated doing but never a quota.
Anonymous said...
Not so, SCC. some officers evaluations were lowered BECAUSE they didn't write enough movers. see 010.
6/16/2014 12:54:00 AM
Honestly, writing tickets is part of our job in patrol...get it PATROL! If you go a whole year and only have written a few movers you aren't doing your job.
If you are in Patrol and have a problem coming up with a few contact cards and a parker or mover every shift, then you are definitely either a dog or a hair gel! Simple as that! Seriously, what are you people doing in the squad for eight hours a night? Besides spacebooking or facetwitting.........
Now , no more quotas for promotions on police and fire departments would be fair to everyone .
I LOVE event numbers... Can I still get a whole bunch of them?
Vri is a voluntary program.. You want to work it this is what you have to do, you don't then you don't work. Nothing is going to change.
Thank god.
For the do nothing micro managing bosses that want To-Froms when you turn in zeros on there useless missions for com-stat. Its about time we give the digression back to the officers where it belongs. Maybe we can get less beefs and stupid lawsuits trying to get the numbers so we can get time due, VRI or BFDs . Hopefully the CPD will honor this new law.
Wow---Governor Quinn sure is smart.
2 things - this wouldn't apply to VRI and I'm pretty sure Chicago is exempt because we're home rule.
If someone could inform the jagoff xo in 011 and the clueless narcissist female 3rd watch lt that quotas don't exit, that would be great. These two have completely ruined what should be a great watch. The xo has no idea what it takes to run a busy district and according to the female lt, the sun rising every day is all because of her. 011 was a sinking ship, and now it has finally sunk to the bottom.
There have been some kind of "quotas" since there has been a police dept. in Chicago.
Just another example of politicians pandering to the public for votes.
Looks like there won't be a ticket requirement for VRI,never should have had one to begin with.Hello F.O.P.
Never saw a cop who doesn't bitch about doing work. Directing traffic, bitches. Have to complete a case report, bitches. Write rush hour parkers, bitches. Have to come to roll call on time, bitches. Have to actually put in a full day and not be cut early to get to a part-time gig, bitches. Have to wear prescribed uniform, bitches. You guys got hired to do a job, do the job and stop bitching. Over thirty years on the job and I've never seen such a bunch of cry babies. If your children bitched about doing chores around the house like cops bitch about doing work, you wouldn't put up with it from your children. And then you cry babies criticize the working police for being fools to work.
Don't think it affects contact cards,curfews or anything else except citations. Seems the law is specific for citations. Don't see any mention of anything else.
"And didn't we always have discretion anyway?'
Having it,& being able to exercise it w/o fear of reprisal are two different matters entirely.
never had a quota. I always told people I could write as many as I wanted
Can someone tell the Militant LT. GH in 005? Somebody got her on a cell phone video recently saying CPD doesn't have quotas, but if you want time due she is checking your activity! Meritorious Militant!!!!!!
Wow easy solution do your job and get off. Don't do shit and not get off when manpower is low. See I do my job every day so I don't have a problem getting off.
Do Tiny Dancer's red light and speed cameras have quotas? I'm sure that lil flaming butterly Rham it up your ass will check it out. 2 small men? in stature and morals. Shortshanks and tiny dancer. WOW. Guess the lil peeps of Catholicism and Jewish faith see eye to eye. In their case about 5 foot. Fuck over the citizens and we'll get rich.
Kids still want to work VRI? Just like Daley fuckin up this shit for 10-15 yrs these kids will have half a pension if any in 10 yrs. And free health ins to be gone within a year. Bet on it. And NO I'm not 10 G. History repeats itself The coppers don't see this. They will when too late.
Woo-Hoo! Yippee! Way to go IL Legislature! Thank you Gov Potato-Head!...you useless fucking ASSHOLE.
The state is drowning in red fucking ink and by any normal definition the state is broke. Taxes are through the goddamn roof, businesses and families are fleeing the state at the first chance. People can't find full time jobs and the welfare rolls keep growing.
Yet with all that, with REAL Goddamn PROBLEMS, this useless fucking law is what you jagoffs have time for?!?! Ticket Quotas. Really?
Dammit to hell, what the fuck are you air breathing dildos smoking down in Springfield? Huh!
Does not apply to CPD. Law states does not apply to municipality if it has an IG, which we do.
I wonder if the whiteshirts in 018 got the memo? Seems logical that they can't then order officers working fixed posts at Special a Employment to dig up activity!
Oh, sorry, was I daydreaming again?
Motorist: "You just stopped me because you have a 'quota' on ticket writing."
Officer: " No sir, we don't have a 'quota'... I can write as many tickets as I want. AND I will.
License and proof of insurance please."
Told my LEO son about this new law. He said nothing will change in his suburban dept. It'll just be an"unofficial" quota now.
GREAT!! This should help with the corruption up north there....
VRI (Violence Reduction Initiative)
CTA
Park Detail...
All of these require a quota
Since there are no longer any quotas, Can someone tell that stupid 9th district commander with the loud mouth and big mustache to shut up about issuing contact cards. All this man cares about is looking good at the compstat meetings.
Does that mean vri has to come up with new activity because the movera and parkers are actually a quota
No need for quotas, no need for more police; just set up more of those $peed cameras.
Anonymous said...
Vri is a voluntary program.. You want to work it this is what you have to do, you don't then you don't work. Nothing is going to change.
Tickets weren't a big part of working VRI All you had to do were a few contact cards, curfews school absentees and maybe an arrest here and there. It wasnt like you had to write a ticket everyday.
Well this should now eliminate the bullshit requirement that you have to have so many tickets Parker's anov etc to work VRI.
6/16/2014 12:07:00 AM
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I've never seen so many cry babies!
25 yrs ago, you were expected to average a mover a day to about one every other day in my district. But then again, you had to justify your existence on the watch if you wanted to rotate with your watch and not get buried on midnites or 3rd watch (before straight watches & bids came along).
Now, there's several people who haven't written a ticket in years & brag about it. Then again, these same people are the ones that never assist on jobs or volunteer for jobs.
Call me a company man if you will, but we still get paid a decent amount of money & should justify our existence.
Looks like there won't be a ticket requirement for VRI,never should have had one to begin with.Hello F.O.P.
6/16/2014 09:54:00 AM
You're not required to VRI. Nothing is going to change regarding VRI.
I haven't been told by any White Shirts to bring in any activity. In the course of human events,if I see a Jagoff being a Jagoff;I will do something. Be it an arrest or a traffic citation.Regular Tax-Paying Citizens always get a break,if circumstances permit it. White Shirts where I work stopped drinking the Kool-Aid a long time ago.Getting time off hasn't been a problem for anyone.
Does not apply to Chicago....figures... We have an IG...
"(65 ILCS 5/11-1-12 new)
Sec. 11-1-12. Quotas prohibited. A municipality may not
require a police officer to issue a specific number of
citations within a designated period of time. This prohibition
shall not affect the conditions of any federal or State grants
or funds awarded to the municipality and used to fund traffic
enforcement programs.
A municipality may not, for purposes of evaluating a police
officer's job performance, compare the number of citations
issued by the police officer to the number of citations issued
by any other police officer who has similar job duties. Nothing
in this Section shall prohibit a municipality from evaluating a
police officer based on the police officer's points of contact.
For the purposes of this Section, "points of contact" means any
quantifiable contact made in the furtherance of the police
officer's duties including, but not limited to, the number of
traffic stops completed, arrests, written warnings, and crime
prevention measures. Points of contact shall not include either
the issuance of citations or the number of citations issued by
a police officer.
This Section shall not apply to a municipality subject to
Section 10-1-18.1 of this Code with its own independent
inspector general and law enforcement review authority.
A home rule municipality may not establish requirements for
or assess the performance of police officers in a manner
inconsistent with this Section. This Section is a limitation
under subsection (i) of Section 6 of Article VII of the
Illinois Constitution on the concurrent exercise by home rule
units of powers and functions exercised by the State.". "
Since there are no longer any quotas, Can someone tell that stupid 9th district commander with the loud mouth and big mustache to shut up about issuing contact cards. All this man cares about is looking good at the compstat meetings.
6/16/2014 06:06:00
Why don't you do it yourself..
09:55 AM.... AMEN
We'll it seems some no talent assclown hack lt from 017th dist midnights devised this quota system. Mcdoofus bought into this shit the future of this department looks bleak at best............
Well this should now eliminate the bullshit requirement that you have to have so many tickets Parker's anov etc to work VRI.
6/16/2014 12:07:00 AM
Why? You still can be required to write annovs and other stuff. This only applies to citations.
Lets face it, crybaby,you didn't have to kill yourself to meet the requirements to work VRI.
Since there are no longer any quotas, Can someone tell that stupid 9th district commander with the loud mouth and big mustache to shut up about issuing contact cards. All this man cares about is looking good at the compstat meetings
Citations,citations,citations
Kids still want to work VRI? Just like Daley fuckin up this shit for 10-15 yrs these kids will have half a pension if any in 10 yrs. And free health ins to be gone within a year. Bet on it. And NO I'm not 10 G. History repeats itself The coppers don't see this. They will when too late.
Kids want to work VRI. Little off base there. VRI is done by seniority. Not too many "kids" working it,old timer
Until recently we had a 1 and 1...1 parker 1 mover per shift. And dont get 3 movers and local ticket. Where is your parker? Of course they wouldn't put it on paper. Paper was for your to from.
Red light cameras have quotas??
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