78 TRRs?
We got an e-mail that says in addition to the 77 people shot this weekend, nearly 80 TRR (Tactical Response Reports) were completed this weekend.
For the non-police readers, a TRR is completed when an Officer has to use force necessary to effect an arrest or force is used against an officer. They aren't usually filled out for foot chases and such (unless you have a really shaky boss), but in the event of TASER deployments, impact weapons, fist fights beyond what one might consider "normal," and when an assault or battery is committed against the police.
Seventy-eight TRR's would seem way more than normal, but we don't have anything to compare it to, and we aren't about to run what we could lest we be accused of improperly divulging Department data.
Anyone have any idea if 78 TRR's is a lot?
For the non-police readers, a TRR is completed when an Officer has to use force necessary to effect an arrest or force is used against an officer. They aren't usually filled out for foot chases and such (unless you have a really shaky boss), but in the event of TASER deployments, impact weapons, fist fights beyond what one might consider "normal," and when an assault or battery is committed against the police.
Seventy-eight TRR's would seem way more than normal, but we don't have anything to compare it to, and we aren't about to run what we could lest we be accused of improperly divulging Department data.
Anyone have any idea if 78 TRR's is a lot?
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
69 Comments:
78 sounds like a lot but hopefully there's more information. To me as a stats guy, I'm curious about:
*average TRRs per week
*average TRRs per district/week
*average TRRs per beat/week
I think this would be another metric that if you didn't have fucktarded bosses, that they'd be able to use this to better staff districts/beats better. But if there's anything I've learned from reading this blog it's that things rarely if ever make sense in CPD leadership.
It's highly probable that two-thirds of those were completed at the behest of those "scary" bosses.
Anyone knows what happened in Mt. Greenwood tonight by 107 th and Pulaski?
Of course 78 is too many; one is too many. It's just like if have 78 unwanted weeds in my garden, especially on it's south and west side. The most effective way to deal with them is to forcefully uproot each and every weed out of my garden and toss its dead carcass in the trash. If they come back, it's best to just spray it with the most lethal weed killer that I can openly carry.
I believe that is a high amount or TRRs but not overwhelmingly high. If u think about it, that's roughly 3 per district for a whole weekend. Figuring that the weekend consists of 3 days (9 watches per district), thats 0.33 TRRs per watch. That doesn't actually seem like a lot at all, especially when agg assaults to P.O.'s (threats / no contact) requiring a TRR / OBR are counted into that number. I know some south side districts can sometimes get 5 or 6 TRR's on a winter weekend, so I can only imagine what the summer weekend TRR average is in a busy district. Either way, these scumbags are out of control and we need to be careful and watch each other's backs. This job and this city is not worth getting seriously hurt or losing your life for.
Not a good look...
http://www.surenews.com/crime/apparenlty-you-can-now-get-assaulted-and-arrested-by-police-for-taking-your-parking-ticket-too-fast/
Thursday-Sunday ? No, not out of the ordinary for trrs. U have all the districts, units sat and gun teams that's not a huge amount. Also consider all 3 watches that's less than one per watch if adding in units and sat teams
It's a war zone! The numbers dead, wounded, beat up and fighting with police. There weren't enough cars in the Districts to handle the calls. How do you say RAP, aka radio assignments pending. No cats to handle jobs!!!!!
Anyone else notice how we haven't heard a word from the FOP on anything? They sure were full of hot air pre election... Now comes post and silence.
WTF
With a heavy heart its very sad to announce that a good man... very young man at that lost his battle with tough times and committed suicide tonight. He was assigned to the Gang Enforcement Section and was found deceased in his home in 022 tonight. A very nice kid and a real shame. RIP Bobby.
Keep into account there are many new bosses that are doing things completely by the book. Also many who don't know any better. "Wait, did you point your finger at him in an aggressive and menacing manner? Then you should do a TRR to cover yourself."
>>>Anonymous said...
It's highly probable that two-thirds of those were completed at the behest of those "scary" bosses.
7/09/2014 12:22:00 AM<<<
Many of those "scary" bosses or not were probably doing the extra work in order to protect their officers.
If done right you get the offender to commit to a story, make excuses even to make apologies for their being a damn fool and get that down on paper.
Surprisingly frank piece on shootings in Chicago from PBS of all places: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/videos/#107870
Another homicide in 011 last night. Here's an idea,why not have 15 PO's on a "mission team" and then have 1100x demand that the entire watch be assigned to "missions" so that there is no "policing" done just event numbers generated? Oh never mind that's what's already going on.
What !!!!!!!!
CRIME IS DOWN!!!!!!!!
WHAT HAPPENED?
Uh-Oh!
Gary and Rahm need to check their tool box cuz two women have been struck in the face with hammers on Navy Pier?!
Oh and BAN THESE HAMMERS. I have nothing further.
not funny.
It seems to be about the right number.
Staff report
7:19 a.m. CDT, July 9, 2014
Police are questioning a suspect after two 55-year-old women were struck in the face with a hammer near Navy Pier, authorities said.
The women were walking on the lake shore bike path in the 500 block of North Lake Shore Drive when a man approached them with a hammer just before 6:30 p.m., Police News Affairs Officer Ron Gaines said.
The suspect struck both women in the face and fled, Gaines said.
The women were taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital in serious condition.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-police-1-in-custody-after-2-women-attacked-with-hammer-near-navy-pier-20140709,0,609355.story?track=rss
"They don't shoot up here"
(How naive)
via http://capitolfax.com/2014/07/07/chicagos-security-priorities/
Monday, Jul 7, 2014
* I wandered into a pleasant little outdoor cafe near the John Hancock Building to have lunch on Friday, and sat there blissfully alone, collecting my thoughts and peacefully enjoying a beautiful day
Yeah. Quite the place. Everything was à la carte. Even the bread was extra. I didn’t eat much.
All of a sudden, somebody set off some firecrackers down the street. Crack! Crack! Crack! Crack! Crack!
I saw some of the tourists visibly jump.
One of the waitresses tried to calm the tourists down, cooing that it was just a firecracker. “They don’t shoot up here,” she said.
* But they do shoot elsewhere…
For 10 minutes, it seemed like the shooting was everywhere in the South Chicago neighborhood....
http://capitolfax.com/2014/07/07/chicagos-security-priorities/
This is proof positive Chicago Police Officers are in an everyday fight for their lives. Our society has deteriorated to the point where contempt for authority is way too common and is an accepted norm. The real winners in this equation are the civil attorneys who represent repeat active recidivist criminals. Remember, federal courts have judicial orders for the city to pay the average six figure "legal representation" bill on behalf of the plaintiff who surprisingly have no known source of income and often relies on public assistance. One of the federal judges even praised Loevy & Loevy rendering his decision that their "legal expertise" is of greater value and must be compensated by taxpayers at a higher rate by his judicial order. Who are the impediments to prosecuting criminals and who are society's true enablers of continuation of murder and mayhem? Traditional notions that crime doesn’t pay are so outdated. Criminal behavior with police intervention creates so many “civil rights” related money generation opportunities to be paid with your tax dollars.
Its sad to hear about the loss of our Gang Enforcement brother. The poster eluded that he was going through some tough times. Can all those mandatory days off cancelled have raised that stress level to the breaking point and put gasoline on the fire?
Not a good look...
http://www.surenews.com/crime/apparenlty-you-can-now-get-assaulted-and-arrested-by-police-for-taking-your-parking-ticket-too-fast/
7/09/2014 01:53:00 AM
Who knows what he said to the cop? Maybe he threatened him?
7/09/2014 12:18:00 AM you can say that again crystal report dude-- perhaps if the department would actually properly staff civilian spot and put you house mice back on the street where you belong we would have more coverage on the streets and in the districts. So stat guy why not tell your buddies at HQ to hire more civilians to replace the officers working inside. Running stats is not complex you just need to know where the data is contained and have the statistical software and computer with the proper configuration to pull the data into the report.
7/09/2014 02:41:00 AM exactly what is fop supposed to do about the staffing issue. The mayor already said he is not hiring. Why you do something if you are so worried about the staffing issues or are you one of those whiners that lets everyone else fight the battles.
7/09/2014 02:54:00 AM sorry to hear the officer took his life. Most people on this job don't give a shit about what people are going through. They cry crocodile tears after the fact. Peer support is all bullshit, bosses don't give a shit about their guys and gals they only care about WIIFM. A friend of mine working in HR under Tracy Ladner committed sucked because she had zero support from her employer. In fact Ladner is the primary reason she took her life. This department is cancerous.
The more violence on the street, the more TRRs. I suspect if you look at the beats experiencing increases in TRRs there probably will also be an increase in violent crimes. Simple logic,
The more violence on the street, the more TRRs. I suspect if you look at the beats experiencing increases in TRRs there probably will also be an increase in violent crimes. Simple logic,
OT what's up with Det. R.V. Who works in 009 scamming an autograph from Jeter saying it was for charity. Thanks for another black eye
OT --
Enjoy Chicago's Beautiful Lakefront! -- signed, Rahm I. Emanuel, Mayor
Police: 2 women attacked with hammer near Navy Pier
7:19 a.m. CDT, July 9, 2014
"Police are questioning a suspect after two 55-year-old women were struck in the face with a hammer near Navy Pier, authorities said.
"The women were walking on the lake shore bike path in the 500 block of North Lake Shore Drive when a man approached them with a hammer just before 6:30 p.m., Police News Affairs Officer Ron Gaines said.
"The suspect struck both women in the face and fled, Gaines said.
"The women were taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital in serious condition.
"Police took the man into custody and charges were pending this morning. It was not immediately clear how he was located and arrested."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-police-1-in-custody-after-2-women-attacked-with-hammer-near-navy-pier-20140709,0,609355.story
With crime up why does Chicago"s finest still have full duty officers assigned to office duty .
Get some of. The slackers off the medical and duty diaability to work as commander secretary ,review etc.
Complete waste of tax payer dollars .
Please seek help for yourself if this job creates stress you can't endure. Phone a friend call your doctor call EAP. That is a final solution for a temporary problem. Seek help please
Does anyone keep track of the Hospital costs on all these shootings?
Someone said average cost is $250,000 in medical costs per gunshot victim. Is that accurate?
Who picks up the cost - or is that absorbed by the hospital? (or spread across the Hospital chain)
If it's $250,000, this last weekend cost somebody a ton of money.
Not a good look...
http://www.surenews.com/crime/apparenlty-you-can-now-get-assaulted-and-arrested-by-police-for-taking-your-parking-ticket-too-fast/
7/09/2014 01:53:00 AM
That's actually been on YouTube for awhile, but still I wouldn't snatch a thing from a P.O. especially that dude, he was still being detained when he did that, so the stop wasn't over.
OT:
Rahm...instead of building a 70 million dollar basketball stadium for the Private, Catholic DePaul University, take that 70 million dollars and BUY the Gangs who are shooting and killing and get them to leave town...Then, leave town your-self, resign as Mayor of Chicago cause you have bad priorities and are not protecting its citizenry. Do it for the Children.
(OT) 1look at this punk you know he did it! To bad he was not killed also would save society lots of future bills fir this pos!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-evergreen-park-man-charged-in-fatal-shooting-20140709,0,5843589.story
the revolution will not be televised
Anyone else notice how we haven't heard a word from the FOP on anything? They sure were full of hot air pre election... Now comes post and silence.
The election is three years away Dougherty give it a rest.
Please fellow officers, reach out to someone. As a PO I would never turn my back on anyone of you, even if we are strangers. Sometime it's easier to talk with someone you don't know. Godspeed brother RIP
Cook County Jail:
"Visitor trapped in high security county jail for more than 30 hours after door locked behind him and eventually escaped by setting off the sprinklers"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2685916/Visitor-trapped-high-security-county-jail-30-hours-door-locked-no-one-heard-banging-attention.html
Any gang member injured in a shooting should NOT be given medical attention. If we fix these low-lifes up, they'll be back to cause havoc when they get out of prison.
Taxpayers are fed up with caring for these vermin.
Former Mayor of the "Chocolate City" off to prison for ten years. Now let's look at our former Mayor.
What boss came up with the TRR that handcuffed the police even further? Nice job asshole
Keep into account there are many new bosses that are doing things completely by the book. Also many who don't know any better. "Wait, did you point your finger at him in an aggressive and menacing manner? Then you should do a TRR to cover yourself."
7/09/2014 04:30:00 AM
Doing a TRR will never hurt you. Not doing a TRR may have you paying YOUR money to some scum bag. You know that, right?
"Big Stupid" gets shipped away --
2 get 100 years in murder of 9-year-old girl
2:30 p.m. CDT, July 9, 2014
"Two reputed gang members have each been sentenced to 100 years in prison in the killing of 9-year-old Chastity Turner in 2009...
"Kevin “Big Stupid” Stanley, 31, and Ronald Henderson, 33, had been gunning for Chastity’s father, Andre Turner, when they shot the little girl. Today they both were sentenced in a hearing this morning before Cook County Criminal Court Judge William Lacy..."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-2-get-100-years-in-murder-of-9yearold-girl-20140709,0,6819779.story
Its sad to hear about the loss of our Gang Enforcement brother. The poster eluded that he was going through some tough times. Can all those mandatory days off cancelled have raised that stress level to the breaking point and put gasoline on the fire?
7/09/2014 08:05:00 AM
I've posted about this and get accused of being a newbie crying about not getting VRI. People are eventiually going to crack by taking their own lives or getting a heart attack or stroke. Take care of yourselves. The dept and city could care less.
7/09/2014 02:54:00 AM sorry to hear the officer took his life. Most people on this job don't give a shit about what people are going through. They cry crocodile tears after the fact. Peer support is all bullshit, bosses don't give a shit about their guys and gals they only care about WIIFM. A friend of mine working in HR under Tracy Ladner committed sucked because she had zero support from her employer. In fact Ladner is the primary reason she took her life. This department is cancerous.
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this guy had help.. alot of help. He had help from teamates, friends on the job and also professional services in the past. There was one driving force that wouldnt back down that drove him this way and it was job related. He wasnt under any type of criminal investigation or anything like that, he was clean as a whistle. it was a work related outside influence. tragic
More Merit news from the 19th Ward.
Sgt Dawn M, as in soap merit sgt, was made meritoriously with four hundred complimentary citizen letters. Computer generated made by Ginger Rugais' office for her work as the tac secretary..
THIS IS A GOOD ONE THINK HARD CRIME FIGHTERS LOOK AT THE CLUES.
And lets not forget the famous Youth Division headquarters watch commander merit sgt, BK who after his domestic arrest it was learned he had been arrested four other times and inverted his dob. Twice on the job. Who was his clout and sponsor. Be great reading in the Sunday paper about both these heroes. everyday a tidbit will be shared..More to come.
$250,000 on average for each shot shitbird.
This is an average from your basic graze wound to catastrophic quad type stuff.
EMT,ER, Dr/RN, Meds, Follow up at Chicago Rehab Istitute, Psych treatments, etc....
All on the County's and Obamacare dime.
You need to scale back your medical coverage so we can afford to treat our shot shit birds.
And while you're at it, show some fuckin' respect for the dead and wear a purple mourning tie every Monday like Rahm did this week.
Anonymous said...
7/09/2014 12:18:00 AM you can say that again crystal report dude-- perhaps if the department would actually properly staff civilian spot and put you house mice back on the street where you belong we would have more coverage on the streets and in the districts. So stat guy why not tell your buddies at HQ to hire more civilians to replace the officers working inside. Running stats is not complex you just need to know where the data is contained and have the statistical software and computer with the proper configuration to pull the data into the report.
7/09/2014 09:17:00 AM
You would be shocked at the number of full duty officers hiding inside with office jobs. Made up jobs or two officers handling one job. Save those jobs for limited duty or older officers, not full duty officers in shape.
Please support one another on this job. Peer support starts with each and every one of us. Don't say we are all brothers and sisters on this job, show it every day. If you notice a change in a co worker ask them if they want to talk. Drinking alcohol or abusing pain killers leads to deeper depression and possibly suicide.
Sounds like just 003, 006 007 and 008 what about the test of the city?? haaaaaahaaaaa. In all seriousness, stay safe
Anyone knows what happened in Mt. Greenwood tonight by 107 th and Pulaski?
7/09/2014 12:34:00 AM
C-Biscuit up to his old tricks again?
>>>Anonymous said...
Any gang member injured in a shooting should NOT be given medical attention. If we fix these low-lifes up, they'll be back to cause havoc when they get out of prison.
Taxpayers are fed up with caring for these vermin.
7/09/2014 02:05:00 PM<<<
Go find out what happened to the LAPD officers who were standing over one of the North Hollywood Bank Robbery Shootout offenders.
They were sued and put through hell for denying one of the offenders medical attention. The suit was eventually dropped but the officers paid a high emotional and financial price.
If that were to happen here the Aldermen would get their cut and pay it out saying it was cheaper to do that than fight it.
OT: Bought city sticker online at 1600hrs 07 July and it arrived in today's mail, 09 July.
7/09/2014 08:39:00 PM what's your point?
In 2010 (which is the last year the CPD provided an annual report) there were 3135 'attacks against officers', (page 60 of the report) and roughly 31% of those were during weekends. So, that means back in 2010 there would have been about 18 each weekend. (31% of 3135 /52 weeks). Sounds to me like 78 is a lot, but, seeing as we have no trends published for the last 3 years, hard to really say...
Herman Cain calls this the 80/80/80 Plan
>>>Go find out what happened to the LAPD officers who were standing over one of the North Hollywood Bank Robbery Shootout offenders.
They were sued and put through hell for denying one of the offenders medical attention. The suit was eventually dropped but the officers paid a high emotional and financial price.
If that were to happen here the Aldermen would get their cut and pay it out saying it was cheaper to do that than fight it.
7/09/2014 07:57:00 PM<<<
P.S to that...
If involved in a situation with a wounded/injured offender, unless the head is separated from the body always call for an ambulance. Don't give the lawyers something to use against you.
Also don't say anything stupid on the radio like, "Let 'em bleed!". Watch out for anyone recording you. The same with PDT messages and TXTing.
Anonymous said...
7/09/2014 12:18:00 AM you can say that again crystal report dude-- perhaps if the department would actually properly staff civilian spot and put you house mice back on the street where you belong we would have more coverage on the streets and in the districts. So stat guy why not tell your buddies at HQ to hire more civilians to replace the officers working inside. Running stats is not complex you just need to know where the data is contained and have the statistical software and computer with the proper configuration to pull the data into the report.
7/09/2014 09:17:00 AM
You would be shocked at the number of full duty officers hiding inside with office jobs. Made up jobs or two officers handling one job. Save those jobs for limited duty or older officers, not full duty officers in shape.
Yes, A lot of full duties at callback. Give those jobs to light duties and send those full duties back to fight real crime.
7/09/2014 10:46:00 PM: the shit arrived EARLY?
That number of Chicago TRR's is in line with the national results that LEO line-of-duty deaths are up 11% thus far this year.
God Bless ALL our brothers and sisters in blue, BE SAFE.
Anonymous said...
7/09/2014 12:18:00 AM you can say that again crystal report dude-- perhaps if the department would actually properly staff civilian spot and put you house mice back on the street where you belong we would have more coverage on the streets and in the districts. So stat guy why not tell your buddies at HQ to hire more civilians to replace the officers working inside. Running stats is not complex you just need to know where the data is contained and have the statistical software and computer with the proper configuration to pull the data into the report.
7/09/2014 09:17:00 AM
You would be shocked at the number of full duty officers hiding inside with office jobs. Made up jobs or two officers handling one job. Save those jobs for limited duty or older officers, not full duty officers in shape.
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Statistical software? Are you kidding? Do you think that the people who are hiding at Headquarters and the Academy are able to do that? They are retarded and they have PHDs and Masters degrees. They cannot even read a General order or comprehend the purpose of a General Order. (True story....)
Keep into account there are many new bosses that are doing things completely by the book. Also many who don't know any better. "Wait, did you point your finger at him in an aggressive and menacing manner? Then you should do a TRR to cover yourself."
7/09/2014 04:30:00 AM
Doing a TRR will never hurt you. Not doing a TRR may have you paying YOUR money to some scum bag. You know that, right?
7/09/2014 02:41:00 PM
Thank you. I agree.
Use asp , mace and deadly force if necessary to protect yourself . Do not be a punching bag or target for anyone.
Go home safe , write every crime that a citizen wants to report . A 19-p is an atta boy for the politicians .
Chicago is short over 2,000 police officers and 100's are hiding inside office at Homan square .
Former Mayor of the "Chocolate City" off to prison for ten years. Now let's look at our former Mayor.
7/09/2014 02:36:00 PM
The former Mayor of Hershey, PA got federal time? I don't believe it.
>>> Anonymous said...
OT: Bought city sticker online at 1600hrs 07 July and it arrived in today's mail, 09 July.
7/09/2014 08:39:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
7/09/2014 08:39:00 PM what's your point?
7/09/2014 10:46:00 PM<<<
I didn't write that but my guess is that City Clerk Susanna Mendoza is running a very efficient operation. I had some dealings with her office about vehicle tags that were complicated by address issues and her staff solved them over the phone. (Thanks)
Maybe she could do what we had hoped that Mariam Santos would do.
>>>Former Mayor of the "Chocolate City" off to prison for ten years. Now let's look at our former Mayor.
7/09/2014 02:36:00 PM
The former Mayor of Hershey, PA got federal time? I don't believe it.
7/10/2014 09:38:00 PM<<<
You're kidding, right?
Former New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin was sentenced to Federal Prison for 10 Years After Conviction for Trading NOLa city business for cash, trips and other favors.
Speaking of Shortshanks, his mental dementia, C.R.S. (can't remember shit) is contagious.
Laura Foxgrover, testifying as a “hostile witness” in the Emanuel Administration’s lawsuit against the owners of the Park Grill restaurant, the 45-year-old Foxgrover proved nearly as memory-challenged as the 72-year-old Daley about the events surrounding the Millennium Park deal. "I don't recall,” told Cook County Circuit Court repeatedly in response to questions from city lawyers inquiring into what they allege was her role in steering the 30-year concession agreement to the father of her child.
That is exactly how Daley answered more than 100 questions in his own deposition in this case, which his lawyers are now citing along with recent health problems in an effort to keep him from testifying at the trial.
I wonder what he would have to say about the parking meter deal.
OT: Bought city sticker online at 1600hrs 07 July and it arrived in today's mail, 09 July.
7/09/2014 08:39:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
7/09/2014 08:39:00 PM what's your point?
I believe he was trying to point out its not as bad as all the complaining about waits in line,lost in mail,etc that were put on this blog.
107th & Pulaski saw yet another copper suicide. I watched the Family grieve cuz the entire lot was blocked off by CPD & CFD.
Even though we're cops we're still EVERY bit human. If U have a problem, by all means get it taken care of.
Fuck this Department and it's convoluted forms of punishment. It was God awful watching that poor Copper's Family grieve. I bet he felt like a cornered rat w/no way out but the worst way.
If U'r even contemplating an act like that procedures should B in place to where a PO can come forward w/no possibility of repercussions from the powers that be. It was sad
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