FOP Worried About Contract?
A couple people have written to say that the FOP is hitting 3rd Watch roll calls again to encourage a "yes" vote on the pending Contract. Not days because the veterans aren't happy, and not midnights because the young kids are the ones that have to live with the resultant changes for the rest of their careers. Anyone have further info?
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
209 Comments:
Maybe they are hitting 3rd watch because that's what watch most of us work on. But their a little late. Most of us already voted in 7 and it's about 70-30 % yes votes.
Morons. Does anybody actually think an arbitrator is going to look at the contract and say "Wow these guys are getting fucked"."I think I'm going to give them a better contract than fire and the sgt's" knowing that if he does, it automatically changes their contract to what ever we get".
The idiocy is staggering in this dept. Get your heads out of your asses gel hairs and dinosaurs. Look at the country. Coppers are their own worst enemy.
Voted No , that lie never had the chance to get comfortable sitting in the darkness of my mailbox
Retired and feel aweful for all you active members. Working for a city that wants 300 percent and giving zero in return.
I have no advice, but you people are in my thoughts and prayers.
Don't let the stress of being a sworn officer in 2014 get you down. Have a good laugh when you can and keep the ranks tight.
Bless you all, you are the BEST.
I've spoken to 745 officers and 626 voted no. The proof will be in the pudding. Samples from 014/008/025/010/015/024 and multiple courts.
Thank you unit reps from the above districts. You saved us.
Vote no 9n this contract, vote Rham out of office and vote for Quinn. Quinn is the lesser of 2 evils. He will force the $600 million be paid to pension fund. Ruaner will change the constitution to screw us. Please vote at least.
Yes, I still have not gotten my ballet
I am a retired sergeant who has paid FOP dues, both active and retired since FOP Day 1. Why didn't I receive a ballot via U.S. mail?
There is absolutely no way that an allocation of new squad cars have been included in negotiations. If the City wants us to respond to assignments, we can either walk or take a bicycle to the assignment.
New squad cars is an issue between the City of Chicago and the taxpayers. Not FOP.
So everyone thinks we'll do BETTER in Arbitration?
Look at what we got in 2010. Good luck. I'd not thrilled either.. but yes is better than "maybe"
I just assume that everyone that I never hear talk about the contract is voting yes. Of the people I've spoken to about the contract, I'd say it's 66% against, and 33% for. At the end of the day, I expect the contract to narrowly sneak through and be approved. Mo
This informal Poll has a margin of error of +- 4%.
Maybe someone can jog my memory; didn't we vote on 10 hour days back around 2000, and the city and Union claimed that we voted against it with there only being a two or three vote difference in the thousands of votes cast? Am I making this up in mind, or are we going to see another mysteriously close Chicago style vote?
Vote Early and Vote Often
Al Capone
Take a stand against the democrates
Get some balls
Vote republican, asshole
Get rid of Quinn, Durbin, and any other democrate that show up on you ballet.
They are not your friends they want your pension so they can give more free stuff to to non working democratic types that will vote for them.
F.O.P. should be calling for absolute war against the City and State. Why have we become such a bunch of pussies. They are raping us in every orifice and laughing.
"FOP Worried About Contract?"
You betcha.
Worried about not being able to reap the benefits of promises made or implied for successfully force feeding said shitty contract to what's perceived as an uneducated membership.
Don't be fooled. This FLOP regime is in lockstep with the Emanuel administration. They've been called-out on various aspects of this proposed contract at roll calls, the town hall meetings and the September general meeting and have left more questions and concerns unanswered than not.
In 28 years on the job, I have NEVER seen the FLOP crew so adamant about pushing through a contract. They've damn near spent more time and resources (OUR dues $$$) on trying to convince us to vote 'yes' than they did campaigning to get elected.
QUESTIONS TO ANY FLOP BOARD MEMBER MONITORING THIS THREAD:
Why not spend this amount of time, effort and money on a campaign to discredit Rahm and any other politician(s) that seem to think us making concessions is the only way the manufactured pension 'crisis' will be solved? And don't give me the bullshit canned answer of "we have a gentleman's agreement to not bargain in public". Fuck that noise! Call all these bastards out nice and loud so everyone can see all the fuckery they're up to. After all, they drag us through the mud with the help of their bought-and-paid-for MSM every chance they get. Hit 'em with a taste of their own medicine.
Why not suggest other things be cut before we have to get squeezed some more? Maybe broadcast some anger over and demand justification for the hundreds of millions being spent on unneccessary pet projects while our manpower dwindles further. Inquire why boatloads of cash are lavished upon illegal - oops! "undocumented" - border jumpers for everything from schooling to healthcare to housing while our retirees are in the throes of having their healthcare gutted after giving this shithole of a city the best years of their lives.
So yes, FLOP is worried about the contract. But not in the sense of concern for the overall health of the membership they were elected to represent. They're worried about their own agendas - this much is painfully evident; their lack of bark and bite in negotiating this stinker of contract indicative of total disconnect from reality, rolling over for the city or - God forbid - being bought and paid for. For fucks sake, they didn't disclose a damn thing to the membership during the whole process, barely giving unit reps anything to bring back to the district to share with the troops after their occasional secret contract update meetings. But now it's a nonstop blitz of dangling that retro carrot over the heads of coppers that were left in the dark for the entire negotiating process. Fuck that.
You've shown your true colors in record time, Dean. I hope one day we'll all know exactly what went on behind those closed doors in "Core Group" meetings with the city's attorneys.
Stop the comedy. you guys like the sound of a split membership a bit too much.
They might be back around to keep answering questions that come up when rumors spread faster than facts.
if they didn't you would say where are they?
the yesses will take it, but that doesn't mean we're any more divided than before, it means some wanted it more than the rest.
If what you're saying is, let's do something about it, than come up with a plan for AFTER we vote it down...
but there is no plan. Just the same old complainers, so between a contract and a few gripes on the blog, I'll take the 7percent raise in my check this Jan. And my retro check to the bank, and leave the silliness for this blog where it lives like a weed.
I have to vote Yes. I don't see some city friendly arbitrator giving us anything better and we will lose a lot of $$$$$ in the process.
I'm the unit rep in my district and I conducted a preliminary poll and across all watches it was an overwhelming yes vote at 84 percent with 301 people in the district voting. I'm gonna say if it's pretty consistent among other districts it will pass with no problem at all... But of those 301 people who replied to my vote in sure a number of them will not vote in the official fop vote. Why?? Who knows.
U call this a contract! It is Bullshit! Vote Rahm out of office!
Before you hit the streets, go to the radio room, sign out a radio and a backbone and vote NO !
Why are they worried? What are they getting if it passes? From 12 I voted no.
Never got any ballot in mail.
seems like a lot of yes votes so far.
FOP is a sell out and a bitch for Rahm already!
By the way, nice tuition deal and then Rahm announces he has free money to give away to punk CPS kids to go to community colleges!
Looks like FOP, got punked by this thieving Mayor!
I don't see why FOP would care. If the contract is voted down we will get exactly what is there now minus the 4% for 2012 and we are going into the city wellness program. The FOP will say they told us so.
A NO vote is a vote against Rahm.
The fop has to be under rahm's thumb and possibly other parts. They had lobbiests in Springfield that actually worked against the city and got laws passed to make them pay more into the pension funds and other ploys to slow the city's attacks against the city workers. Who did the fop fire? You guessed it. Did rahm bitch slap them too? They think it's a good contract to fuck over other coppers! Guess it's what rahm wants.
Just vote "yes" already. Arbitration has never really got us anything better and could cost you your retro check and add wellness to your deal.
The FOP is a joke. Compromised. In Rahms pocket. They wouldn't tell us s^*t about updates in the contract all along pulling the "we will tell you when the time is right" or "we will have a meeting with unit reps" lines of BS. This is OUR livihood OUR future OUR everything and they treat us like children who have no say so in the decision making. Is everyone tired yet of being treated like 2nd class citizens? Worse health care than illegal aliens and welfare leeches. Smaller raises than burger flippers. No equipment to do our jobs. Not enough manpower. Taking away seniority with furlos. Taking away duty avail for new guys. And on and on and on. Take this contract and shove it up your ass FOP. A group of Madison Avenue pissbums could have done a better job of negotiating a better contract.
They haven't hit first and second watches because they don't like waking up early or staying out late.
One of the major reasons I voted NO on this contract is because they are pushing it so hard. Something just doesn't seem right with this. The union shouldn't be for or against any contract. They should present it to the rank and file and let it play out.
We are in the best position we have ever been in to put pressure on the Mayor to get what we want. He has lost the black vote and police and firemen hate him as well as now retirees for his health care increase. Fioretti will take some of the white vote and we already know the wards in Beverly/ Mt. Greenwood and Midway Airport did not vote for him it was 80% Chico. So with that much being said we can start Marching around City Hall leading up to his Mayoral run and let the media do stories on this and we can be different places he campaigns with sigs and walk to display for media and citizens to show how disappointed in the contract we are. This would put a lot of pressure on him and especially more so if Karen Lewis runs, then he really needs our vote. I'm voting NO on the contract. Dean...for the first time in more than 2 decades we finally have some upper hand in this game, get him to sweeten the pie a bit more as we were screwed last time.
Vote YES for me. I'm FOP. Yea right.
That's because the FOP # 7 knows this is a shitty contract and they need all the help they can get. Do not give in to this ridiculousness. Vote NO!
Get off your ass and get out and vote the police don't vote
I'm tired of all the wailing about how bad of a contract this is and that Chicago is doing better financially. The city isn't doing that much better financially than our last contract and the general public's opinions of public sector workers is very low, so do not expect any pity. Unemployment remains high and there will be another collapse of our financial markets, because they're just isn't enough Americans working to support a healthy economy. In retrospect, arbitration has never benefited us, the arbitrator has always given the city mostly what they wanted in arbitration. I'm not a union guy, nor am I a pro Dean guy. Hell, nor did I casted a ballot this past FOP's election. This contract isn't great, but decent. By voting no, we lose out on the first year of retro active pay, which is also pensionable and amounts to millions of dollars being lost. Just be wise with your vote and vote your best interest. Do not listen to disgruntled and negative officers because they have a personal ax to grind with certain elected FOP officials.
Fop should be worried this contract is horse shit
Dean must have been promised something good for him to try and shove such a shitty and pivotal contract down our throats. Remember Dean has always been part of the problem and he has always been in it for himself.
below is a question I asked Dean based on what I have read here and heard others say. I also posted his reponses:
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Rumor: Is it true that, that if pension contributions changes are made, and upon reopening the CBA for renegotiating our wages, that we agree to settle thru arbitration should we (us and the city) not reach an agreement within 90 days? And if so, does this jeopordize any future ability to seek remedies in court based on this setting a precedence?
Ray H
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RESPONSE #1
Ray,
No it is not true. We have in no way jeopardized any future abilities to use the courts, nor have we set any type of precedence that puts us at risk, pension-wise.
The language that we have utilized was taken [nearly] verbatim form the Sergeant's and Local 2 Firefighter's Contracts and it does not in any way diminish or change our existing protections concerning active and/or retired members.
The information that some are spewing out there that speaks to our inclusion of this language being anything other than a protection cannot be further from the truth and is completely inaccurate.
Thanks for the question and Be Safe
Dean Sr
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RESPONSE #2 from Joe Burns via Dean:
"Dean:
The Legislature passed a bill a couple of years ago requiring participants in the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District Pension Fund to pay higher contributions to their Pension Fund but that law did not take away or reduce any pension benefits. So, it is possible that the Legislature would go that route and increase contributions by our officers to our Pension Fund.
If that were to happen, the language in the tentative agreement (and the agreements with FF Local 2, the Sergeants, Lieutenants, and Captains) gives us a safety valve to argue then for higher salaries. The pension re-opener language forces the City to negotiate over higher salary increases, percentage increases, and duty availability pay but only if the Legislature passes a bill, and the Governor signs it, requiring officers to pay more to the Pension Fund. There is no re-opener for any other reason or change in the Pension Code.
If the parties do not reach an agreement, the Lodge’s proposed salary increases, etc. go to interest arbitration. The arbitrator’s decision on salary would be final and binding. The arbitrator does not have the jurisdiction to approve any changes to pension benefits. And, most importantly, the arbitrator giving us higher salaries does not mean that the “pension theft” legislation is somehow ‘validated’ or that the Lodge has waived its members’ rights. Salary increases have absolutely nothing to do with losing our protection against reduced pension benefits.
The Illinois Constitution and the Illinois Pension Code can never be amended in collective bargaining or by an arbitrator! The re-opener language is not “precedent”--only an Illinois Supreme Court or U.S. Supreme Court case is “precedent” on this issue-- that would prevent the Lodge’s members from suing to block any “pension theft” legislation. The Illinois Constitution absolutely protects our retirement benefits and the July 3, 2014 Illinois Supreme Court decision makes it clear that taking away pension benefits for current police officers or retirees is not going to happen.
The simple reality is that no contract language or arbitration award can ever overturn the Illinois Constitution. No one can bargain away or take away in arbitration what the Illinois Constitution provides; only another Constitutional Convention could recommend taking that protection away and that would then have to be approved by the voters. The rumor is just completely wrong on what the law is."
Don't think they are worried,think more fop knows we will lose in a major way in arbitration. Look at today's suntime page 3 firefighters getting retro could be another way to sell contract. You hard chargers keep working hard, risking your careers, getting fired, cr numbers, keep working vri allowing the numbers to dwindle, want to blame someone blame yourself for much of the problem.
Many of you young coppers have not been through even 1 arbitration we have lost in everyone so forget retro first year, parity with fire on the first 42 months yes arbitrator will give that to us, tier hospital yes we wil have it also. So go ahead and reject it educated officers see what this "dinosaur" said will be true.
I voted NO. Not looking to get rich but if you read the wording lots of ways the city can try and fuck us down the road.
Prosecutors also said Allen returned to the venue on a separate occasion and took $5,600 of liquor from the club’s basement.
Chicago Police Officers identified Allen from video footage taken during both instances.
Allen, of the 2600 block of South California Avenue, was ordered held in lieu of $90,000 bail.
Well, at least he won't be far from home
You guys get the feeling that we'll be thrown into this tiered hospital system regardless of if we vote no on this contract? That's the #1 hair in the soup regarding the new contract for me. Every hospital that I or my family has been in over the past few years is of course listed as tier 2. Thanks Obamacare!
Stop looking at that stupid first year retro like it's going to solve your problems folks! It's only a carrot being dangled to see which of the weak minded will gobble it up.
Vote yes........ fight later..... Right now something is better than more years of nothing
P.Valium
There is no encouraging or pressing going on regarding this contract. Reps are still going to roll calls because that's what the should doing. The ballots have been mailed and most people have made their decision. People are going to have issue with some parts of the contract that others will not. I feel it is a fair contract considering we went last in negotiations and the landscape was set. Whether you are for or against this contract, vote and mail your ballot in.
I think the contract is shit. I think the FOP is full of shit and useless. However. We wont do better! I don't like it , but I voted yes.
Like some one already said the worst of both evil is the idiot we have now. Do you people really think Republican s like unions. They will bust us in the ass like any other union. Clear your heads and think for once.
I voted no- this proposal, the first one actually shown to us I might add, is bs. That retro is noting compared to what the membership will have to spend on healthcare and pension if this contract passes. We will still get a raise, and no less than CFD got should this go to arbitration. Remember, last time they used the economy as a barometer for our raise, which at the time was not good. Well according to all the financial reports and state reported numbers, the economy is back up. They are walking us backward taking away duty availability for new officers, and language about time due and new cars are all false promises- they will still use manpower as their catch-all excuse, and cars are not the responsibility of policemen- that's the city's duty to provide proper equipment, not a negotiation tactic.
If you are a 20% that will be assigned to second watch , an office job , slow district , airport or a helicopter pilot , vote yes .
If you are a blue shirt that would like 95% bids for all inside ,distict ,unit ,watch assignments ,Vote NO.
One man units on patrol while co meanders hide police officers I side caps office , school cars , foot posts on days.
Bid No Vote is the only way.
Top , what about a real shift differential , did you ask , beg for it , no , just like my vote .
If you are a 20% that will be assigned to second watch , an office job , slow district , airport or a helicopter pilot , vote yes .
If you are a blue shirt that would like 95% bids for all inside ,distict ,unit ,watch assignments ,Vote NO.
One man units on patrol while co meanders hide police officers I side caps office , school cars , foot posts on days.
Bid No Vote is the only way.
Top , what about a real shift differential , did you ask , beg for it , no , just like my vote .
Retired FOP Sgt. said...
I am a retired sergeant who has paid FOP dues, both active and retired since FOP Day 1. Why didn't I receive a ballot via U.S. mail?
Probably because retirees don't vote on the contract.
Vote No.
Do not help this cocksucker Emanuel before the mayoral election.
This piece of shit wants to bankrupt our pension and this contract helps him do it by denying pensionable duty availability to new hires for their first 42 months.
The sky will not fall if we go to arbitration.
Now is the time to take a stand for our future.
It might be because 60% of our manpower is on third watch.
just sayin
Vote yes........ fight later.....
Right now something is better than more years of nothing....
Or wait four more years of less....
FOP should be worried about this contract! Does anybody believe that if approved future negotiations won't include the replacement of patrol vehicles as a "benefit" to be negotiated? That this will a one time proposal made by the city? Hell no. It will come up in every contract from now on.
That provision alone should cause this contract to be rejected and never even brought to the rank and file for consideration.
You pass this and you'll be the laughingstock of every law enforcement bargaining unit in the country, if not the world.
You've been warned
So im guessing most young people on this job came straight from college and mom and dads house. Never been in a union before. Dont know the meaning of collective bargaining. Always wanting more just because you ask for it. It dont work that way. Welcome to the chicago police dept.
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
So everyone thinks we'll do BETTER in Arbitration?
Look at what we got in 2010. Good luck. I'd not thrilled either.. but yes is better than "maybe"..."
If the arbitrator keeps everything the same and throws out the replacement of squad cars as a "benefit" to be negotiated you win.
Wise up people. That provision alone should be enough to reject this package.
Anonymous said...
Take a stand against the democrates
Get some balls
Vote republican, asshole
Get rid of Quinn, Durbin, and any other democrate that show up on you ballet.
They are not your friends they want your pension so they can give more free stuff to to non working democratic types that will vote for them.
10/04/2014 01:12:00 AM
So.... we are to blindly vote for Bruce Rauner? Rham's buddy.
There is no two party system anymore. The republicans offer no opposition, locally, nor at the federal level. Most are out to screw US. Cases in point, Rauner, Mark Kirk, John McCain, Mitt Romney, John Boehner. The list goes on and on. Once a republican takes office, they become corrupted, and forget why they were elected. Rauner is already in the bag though, he is a shill.
The system of how candidates are slated needs to be put in the hands of true conservatives. The party has been infiltrated by socialists.
Let's vote no! We will ALL picket; white shirts too,and demand more. The public will hear our cries and rally around us.
Rahm will take a big political hit and lose his Mayorial seat.
The arbitrator will agree with EVERY demand. Will get retro, new shoes, guns, lower mortgages and free gift cards.
Wake up. We will lose in arbitration. Not a great contract, but we ain't getting better. And the public thinks we are greedy.
Your're retired...thankfully you guys don't get a vote.
Sgts, Lts, and Capts lost NOTHING in their contracts! You know why? Because the City knew our FOP would waffle and accept the changes and the "me too" clause would ultimately change theirs as well. Vote No!
We also did a preliminary vote. 89% said no! Most people are voting no. If this passes, then there is some dirty s**t in the works. Don't sell out, vote and vote no.
Between the loss of duty availability for the new hires, which impacts the pension 2, the changes to our health care, the partial loss of tuition reimbursement, and the loss of retro on overtime for the first year, this contract over the long run, will save the city more than it pays out. Dean gave away the store, just so he could say " I got you retro." Vote no.
I think an arbiter could raise our wage percentages, albeit we lose retroactive for 2012, we can make it up with larger increases. What is troubling is the whole Medical benefit issue...and how much the City will pay.
This is how I see it;
– 2007-12 Contract Art. 25: " ...the Employer (City) has the right to include [a new health plan] agrees to 'make available'..." (No 2013-17 proposed change to 25.2)
In short, that new plan...that is now available, its called ObamaCare®. Sneaky isn't it.
If the Lodge agrees to discussion (Memorandum of Understanding), then that's the only Health Plan we will eventually be duped into. Then it's called "Buy your Own" insurance-you can afford it, but you still have to buy it from a City Marketplace provider network (Healthcare.gov).
NO subsidy for anyone earning over $40,000 (and that includes retirees), high deductible, high out of pocket & co-pays for even the cheapest plan.
Don't expect a Democrat to give you a bone. These weasels planned for this, many thought 55 & Out was the best thing since straight watches and Tahoes.
Trust NO Democrat.
VOTE NO Rahm2015.
Guys, the contract is not a good one, but we WILL do worse in arbitration, I don't like it either but yes is better than losing more in arbitration. Vote with logic , not emotion and principal. The arbitrator will give us worse.
live long and prosper..
Our union sucks and is in bed with the city whore, but this contract will be better than what the arbitrator gives us. vote yes if you can see that simple logic.
Anonymous Retired FOP Sgt. said...
I am a retired sergeant who has paid FOP dues, both active and retired since FOP Day 1. Why didn't I receive a ballot via U.S. mail?
10/04/2014 12:42:00 AM
Because you are a RETIRED sergeant. You're not going to get to vote on the PBPA conracts in the future, either.
Voted for the future guys! I voted NO!
Hardly anyone voting NO in my district. Only time I hear talk about it is on here.
I can't wait to vote for the Mayor and than the FOP! How do you like me now :)
I Cannot Believe These Postings !!!
You Speak Of FOP as Separate From Yourselves. You All Are FOP. FOP Speaks For You. If You Do Not Want FOP To Do Something. Get Down To The Meetings And Tell Them So. The City Knows They Can Push You Around Because You Are Not United. What Happens If 10,000 Swore Police Officers Show Up At The Next FOP Meeting And Tell The President What They What In The Contract ? If You Don't Like The Contract Tell Them So.
I have no vote in this issue and therefore am not effected by the final result of the poll. I will tell you from what I see you will not do any better or worse in the area of the financial package with or without arbitration. You will end up with the same financial package which is similar to the deals received by the sergeants and lieutenants. Other than the financial matters there are areas of concern with this contract they are offering you and those issues are equipment and pension. There is no reason that City equipment such as cars radios and computers should be negotiated in an employee contract, nor should pension matters. Those are two articles that are not contractual matters but the City is very obviously trying to insert them and make them negotiable. That is problematic from many angles since your next contract will be here soon enough and you will have to give up some money or pension or healthcare in order to have cars available for you at work. That's nonsense. Equipment is an employer issue not employee matter and not a negotiable issue. Similarly, the pension is not part of a contractual agreement. The City is now attempting to make it one by inserting into a contractual agreement thereby being able to later cause you to give up other benefits to keep pension benefits or to be able to make changes to the pension in their favor through the contract. You will be forced to give up benefits including healthcare or have YOUR contribution significantly increased and be forced to agree to it in your contract in order to protect your pension. Those two items do not belong in an employee contract and any arbitrator will know that. Those are not negotiable items so don't let the City make them. VOTING NO IS YOUR BEST OPTION and let an arbitrator toss out the pension and vehicle clauses and give you a decent financial package like the other Unions received. The City is trying to end run you.
Re: The FOP is a joke. Compromised. In Rahms pocket. They wouldn't tell us s^*t about updates in the contract all along pulling the "we will tell you when the time is right" or "we will have a meeting with unit reps" lines of BS. This is OUR livihood OUR future OUR everything and they treat us like children who have no say so in the decision making. Is everyone tired yet of being treated like 2nd class citizens? Worse health care than illegal aliens and welfare leeches. Smaller raises than burger flippers. No equipment to do our jobs. Not enough manpower. Taking away seniority with furlos. Taking away duty avail for new guys. And on and on and on. Take this contract and shove it up your ass FOP. A group of Madison Avenue pissbums could have done a better job of negotiating a better contract
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If there was a like button I would hit "like" a thousand times! SPOT ON
Checking out the news letter today from our lovely FOP, and all they are doing is trying to push this horrible contract on us. Why don't they list the pro's and con's about this contract and let the MEMBERS decide instead of try to tell us how to vote!
Wasn't sure what to do. So I voted twice- 1 yes, 1 no. Then i took a personal.
dean angelo son has been promised a promotion by rahm you betcha this contract is going to pass.
If you voted yes on this contract to avoid the wellness program you are an idiot. It requires a couple mouse clicks every quarter that's it.
I voted no. Wellness program does not scare me. I'm not fat. I will not shake hands with the devil or drink koolaid. Vote as you wish. Be safe.
I am voting yes because we will get retro, a raise and we will not do any better with arbitration.
Morons. Does anybody actually think an arbitrator is going to look at the contract and say "Wow these guys are getting fucked"."I think I'm going to give them a better contract than fire and the sgt's" knowing that if he does, it automatically changes their contract to what ever we get".
The idiocy is staggering in this dept. Get your heads out of your asses gel hairs and dinosaurs. Look at the country. Coppers are their own worst enemy.
HEY WHY DONT YOU GO FUCK YOURSELF?
Why are we morons if we vote no? You got a vote. Vote the way you want to. Hair gels and Dinosaurs? Where do you fit in on this department?
YOU, my non-friend, are the poster child for what's wrong with this department. "I'm in this for me and fuck everyone else" I bet your punk ass works VRI and crows to everyone on your watch about how much money you make.
A "no" vote would tell Angelo and Rahm that they can't bully us into voting yes.
If you're not a "hair gel or dinosaur" then you probably have at least one more contract in your "career". YOU should be voting no MORON.
Plan on taking the family to the Dells for your hillbilly vacation with your much deserved retro check?
We're not morons for voting no we just have more moral backbone than those voting yes (YOU)
I voted no without a doubt. Anything rahmie is for is never in our best interest.
Voted no and enclosed a middle finger for rahm to see how i feel and if he needs it to put over his nubbin.
st.
If what you're saying is, let's do something about it, than come up with a plan for AFTER we vote it down...
but there is no plan. Just the same old complainers, so between a contract and a few gripes on the blog, I'll take the 7percent raise in my check this Jan. And my retro check to the bank, and leave the silliness for this blog where it lives like a weed.
10/04/2014 01:33:00 AM
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Vote No, The plan is to fire the labor attorney because he doesn't have the spirit to battle the next phase because he feels the current contract is a fair one.
We are then hiring the firm that negotiated the teachers contract.
Win, Win
There is absolutely no way that an allocation of new squad cars have been included in negotiations. If the City wants us to respond to assignments, we can either walk or take a bicycle to the assignment.
New squad cars is an issue between the City of Chicago and the taxpayers. Not FOP.
Check the contracts of other major metropolitan police dept. across the nation. They have it in their contracts.
flop should be worried
nothing in contract to increase seniority bidding , shift differential for 1st and 3rd watch or a decrease in the phony merit promotional system
flop request a forensic audit of funds designated for cpd for the last 7 years
rumor is demoted lt./commanders reassigned as an xo , no real job description and keep their commanders pay
that is a huge drain on our pension
captain rank 100% appointed , merit
another political appointment that drains our pension
could the new fop be in bed with city hall?
I'm a firm believer in getting what you can for Officers, but some of you have got to come to your senses. You are talking about a time where people are still not getting any kind of pay increase what soever. You are talking about a job where you have to have only a high school education and some college credits to be making right now $85,000 at approximately 15 years on the job. By the middle of 2017, that will be at $95,000 to just answer your calls. That doesn't include uniform and duty availability. You are complaining about wording that the city states they will have more cars or that you can't get your graduate tuition paid in full. You still can get your four year degree paid for.
Insurance cost is going up....did you think the city is not going to hold out to get some of it paid for ??? Come on, common sense, the city is never going to ask that we contribute more ??? My God, If I hear one more idiot say, it all started when we had to start paying one dollar. Let's go to the arbitrator... He is going to look at what the rest of the city employees got and say, yep this is what you get, minus the 4% for 2012...which would be loss for the rest of your career earnings and pensionable for the rest of your lives. Do the math, 4% compounded for the rest of your earning years and pension. Wake up, these are difficult times not just for workers but for cities around the country. Police Officers are getting laid off while some departments are disbanding. Read up, Miami P.D. was forced to take two pay cuts before a federal judge stepped in and stopped the third. Is it a great contract... No! Is it fair, Yeah.
Why oh why is this happening to our first responders? The politicians have ruined everything and yet they remain in office. Time to vote them all out now.
Retired FOP Sgt. said...
I am a retired sergeant who has paid FOP dues, both active and retired since FOP Day 1. Why didn't I receive a ballot via U.S. mail?
10/04/2014 12:42:00 AM
Because retirees don't vote on this contract. Disabled officers vote.
Anonymous said...
Morons. Does anybody actually think an arbitrator is going to look at the contract and say "Wow these guys are getting fucked"."I think I'm going to give them a better contract than fire and the sgt's" knowing that if he does, it automatically changes their contract to what ever we get".
The idiocy is staggering in this dept. Get your heads out of your asses gel hairs and dinosaurs. Look at the country. Coppers are their own worst enemy.
10/04/2014 12:13:00 AM
My thoughts exactly! Does anyone remember our history with the last two arbitrations? This contract isn't bad enough to send it to some guy to make the decisions. The only thing that will change is we will lose $$$$ and more time without our money. When the arbitrator makes his ruling it will be 2016 and our contract will be expired shortly after. That's nearly 5 years with no raise because some thought an arbitrator will be generous to us. If the contract is not ratified we will all be sorry 18 months from now when the arbitrator makes his ruling. Voted YES.
So if this contract goes to arbitration, how long does that process last? Probably past the Feb. election. Which means what? Support for or against this contract, What's the plan moving forward?
Open your eyes boys and girls. The reason why the FOP is pushing this contract to go through is so that it doesn't become a mayoral election campaign issue. Is it possible this was all set up back when Shields was involved? It's the Chicago way.
They should be... All their perk county jobs are in jeopardy!!
You are really stupid if you vote yes to the shit they are shoveling you!
Just like every other contract, this one boils down to a simple fact:
VOTE.
Period.
If you don't vote, you don't get to whine about the contract one way or the other.
I don't care if you vote Yes or No. Just vote.
Same thing goes for the Mayoral and Aldermanic elections and for Governor and President.
Get out and vote or STFU.
Best regards to you and yours.
I see Tom McD was up at the crack of 0939 hrs. chiming in on the merits of this "shitty" contract offering. Perhaps he was awakened by a violent bowel movement on the bedsheets?
Who is this Thomas McDonaough that is telling us the contract is fair? Oh wait, he is one that lost the election but is one of the FOP reps. Sorry, i wont be listening to him and will be voting "NO" in person.
you want to know who is worried about this FOP proposed contract it's the CLASS OF 1985, 1986, 1987 these police officers want to see their proposed raise in 2012, 2013,2014 because its the last 4 years average which determines their % of retirement benefits! They don't care about the CLASS OF 2015, 2016. 2017 and beyond without DUTY AVAILABILITY after 12 months of their employment, etc.
Its like an early BUYOUT at the expense of the entire UNION membership, all the DEAN ANGELO(S) who are on DISABILITY, and the RETIREES don't CARE as well SO DO THE RIGHT THING-VOTE NO and LET AN ARBITRATOR decide our faith in our UNION! NOT SPECIFIC groups of NON-WORKING POLICE OFFICERS!
SO if the arbitrator fucks us guess what?
The next contract whoever is in office will not be able to even try and bring a shit contract for approval.
If the systems rigged then blue flu would be a legit option!
All it takes is a doctor note and nothing can happen.
But again we are pretty soft...
The FOP news letter is good about the contract and very true. Just wish it would have came out sooner to dispell the silly rumors by the uninformed. The labor lawyers are right. We stand to lose a LOT in arbitration. This contract isn't that bad. I wish we could get more, but that's not how it works. Anyone that votes no is only hurting themselves. We will lose a boat load of $$$ in arbitration and health costs.
The idiocy is staggering in this dept. Get your heads out of your asses gel hairs and dinosaurs. Look at the country. Coppers are their own worst enemy.
HEY WHY DONT YOU GO FUCK YOURSELF?
Why are we morons if we vote no? You got a vote. Vote the way you want to. Hair gels and Dinosaurs? Where do you fit in on this department?
YOU, my non-friend, are the poster child for what's wrong with this department. "I'm in this for me and fuck everyone else" I bet your punk ass works VRI and crows to everyone on your watch about how much money you make.
A "no" vote would tell Angelo and Rahm that they can't bully us into voting yes.
If you're not a "hair gel or dinosaur" then you probably have at least one more contract in your "career". YOU should be voting no MORON.
Plan on taking the family to the Dells for your hillbilly vacation with your much deserved retro check?
We're not morons for voting no we just have more moral backbone than those voting yes (YOU)
10/04/2014 12:06:00 PM
Boy do you sound dumb.
The 1996 arbitration, granted us a 16% raise, as opposed to the 8% offered by the city.So, we have won when letting an arbitrator decide.
There is absolutely no way that an allocation of new squad cars have been included in negotiations. If the City wants us to respond to assignments, we can either walk or take a bicycle to the assignment.
New squad cars is an issue between the City of Chicago and the taxpayers. Not FOP.
Check the contracts of other major metropolitan police dept. across the nation. They have it in their contracts.
Then we want Lexus Suv's and corvettes.
Retired and feel aweful for all you active members. Working for a city that wants 300 percent and giving zero in return.
I have no advice, but you people are in my thoughts and prayers.
Don't let the stress of being a sworn officer in 2014 get you down. Have a good laugh when you can and keep the ranks tight.
Bless you all, you are the BEST.
You just have to remind that to the higher ups.
Fyi, Boston PD just got 25.4% over 6 years in their contract that went to arbitration. Maybe we should hire their negotiators.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/04/boston-city-council-approves-hefty-pay-raise-for-police-patrolmen/UeScDrA3vT0J2ohT2b7GDL/story.html
Open your eyes boys and girls. The reason why the FOP is pushing this contract to go through is so that it doesn't become a mayoral election campaign issue. Is it possible this was all set up back when Shields was involved? It's the Chicago way.
10/04/2014 01:24:00 PM
Wrong. They are pushing the contract because they negotiated it. What union would negotiate a contract and bring it to the membership if they didn't want it to pass.
There is absolutely no way that an allocation of new squad cars have been included in negotiations. If the City wants us to respond to assignments, we can either walk or take a bicycle to the assignment.
New squad cars is an issue between the City of Chicago and the taxpayers. Not FOP.
10/04/2014 12:49:00 AM
FOP had to make it look like they got something out of the royal fucking they got us!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
dean angelo son has been promised a promotion by rahm you betcha this contract is going to pass.
10/04/2014 11:49:00
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Ag-u-liar you are so full of shit. If you or Dougherty would have signed the letter this would have never happened. Shields was a punk but you two were back stabbing cut throats. You screwed all of us.
Just vote "yes" already. Arbitration has never really got us anything better and could cost you your retro check and add wellness to your deal.
10/04/2014 06:49:00 AM
Wellness is not on the table!!!
Rahm broke his dick off in our ass on this contract, why stop there and not just put us in the wellness program? Do you think he likes you or is your friend?
FOP showed the city a better way, that saves them money and they accepted FOP's proposal!
I voted no and you should also if u want a future and not just for present times!
Anonymous said...
If you voted yes on this contract to avoid the wellness program you are an idiot. It requires a couple mouse clicks every quarter that's it.
10/04/2014 12:01:00 PM
The wellness is a non-issue either way. It isn't in the proposed contract and the arbitrator cant force us into it (that has already been established).
However, the interesting thing about the wellness is in fact, how easy it currently is. It seems ridiculously easy. Almost like the intent is to make it appear so easy that we would agree to it as part of the overall give and take in this contract or the next. Once we are in the wellness program (they will push for it in the next contract negotiation), expect it to change drastically. They can change and tweak anything at their will and it will no longer be the walk in the park it is now because their ultimate goal is to make it as difficult as they can so they can increase as many peoples contributions as possible. Right now they are trying to make it as appetizing as possible and then the big changes come after the deal is sealed. Kind of sounds like the current contract offer with retro....
Hi SCC and Kids. 10 G here. Have to cut this short. Wifey and I going out to dinner. Well guys n gals we had a good week in Wk 4 of NFL. Hope All on board. Same on Royal Caribbean in Feb. But one step at a time. Got my plays in to prevent being shut out due to mayhem on the street tomorrow AM. LOL. Put 10 large on Car -2 and the hook. Sorry naysayers but da bears are bad. And same way on Az +7 with Denver. Cardinals on a roll and a heck of a DL. Super Bowl? Loved them when I saw them in training camp. Luv ya SCC n Kids.
Anonymous said...
I am voting yes because we will get retro, a raise and we will not do any better with arbitration.
10/04/2014 12:06:00 PM
And you know this how? LOL We as cops think we just know so much we start assuming and guessing stuff and end up believing it. Idiot.
Anonymous said...
I'm the unit rep in my district and I conducted a preliminary poll and across all watches it was an overwhelming yes vote at 84 percent with 301 people in the district voting. I'm gonna say if it's pretty consistent among other districts it will pass with no problem at all... But of those 301 people who replied to my vote in sure a number of them will not vote in the official fop vote. Why?? Who knows.
10/04/2014 02:28:00 AM
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Maybe a good amount of the 84% think you're a complete tool, and told you they were voting "yes" just so you'd get the hell away from them!
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Morons. Does anybody actually think an arbitrator is going to look at the contract and say "Wow these guys are getting fucked"."I think I'm going to give them a better contract than fire and the sgt's" knowing that if he does, it automatically changes their contract to what ever we get".
The idiocy is staggering in this dept. Get your heads out of your asses gel hairs and dinosaurs. Look at the country. Coppers are their own worst enemy.
10/04/2014 12:13:00 AM
how do you know this? What evidence do you have that the arbitrator will screw us? Please share your wisdom with all of us. If you are just guessing, which you are, you are a dumb ass. You are our worst enemy. People like you voted for obummer thinking obummer was less horrible. LOL what an idiot you are. Feel free to prove me wrong. Prove it! LOL
So everyone thinks we'll do BETTER in Arbitration?
Look at what we got in 2010. Good luck. I'd not thrilled either.. but yes is better than "maybe"
10/04/2014 12:53:00 AM
You still don't get it do you? Grow a set like a man and be able to look yourself in the mirror everyday knowing you didn't let rham fuck you. Take a stand chump. Yeah we probably won't get that year retro for the first year by an arbitrator. But have you even looked at the medical mumbo jumbo in there? The iod bullshit in there? Be your own maker son and live within your means.
You don't know how an arbitrator will rule. But it's a chance you have to take.
Anonymous said...
Just vote "yes" already. Arbitration has never really got us anything better and could cost you your retro check and add wellness to your deal.
10/04/2014 06:49:00 AM
Vote "yes" and just let Rahm walk all over you, while laughing his ass off!
Grow a set and don't be so short-sighted. Those who have gone before us fought hard for these benefits and too many are just willing to let the city take it away!
Sad....
Anonymous said...
Stop looking at that stupid first year retro like it's going to solve your problems folks! It's only a carrot being dangled to see which of the weak minded will gobble it up.
10/04/2014 09:19:00 AM
Amen! Someone who gets it!!!!
The northside town hall meeting had maybe 60 people in attendance. If half of you really paid attention to current events your decision would be easy. We are the last of the contracts and most of not all the other unions have already layed down on the hot topics your all complaining about. You all have complained about how the arbitrator has hurt us in the past so WHY is anyone thinking that going to arbitration is in our best interest! Be smart and vote
Just read the newsletter thanks Dean for being so clear, your right some coppers especially the ones with no time but college, try to be the voice of fop, thankfully labor lawyers negotiated this, voted yes so did my unit what idiot would want arbitration? To muck kollege not common sense! First job after moving out of moms and dads home?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Morons. Does anybody actually think an arbitrator is going to look at the contract and say "Wow these guys are getting fucked"."I think I'm going to give them a better contract than fire and the sgt's" knowing that if he does, it automatically changes their contract to what ever we get".
The idiocy is staggering in this dept. Get your heads out of your asses gel hairs and dinosaurs. Look at the country. Coppers are their own worst enemy.
10/04/2014 12:13:00 AM
Dinosaursus revolvers here. I agree on most of your post. But every dinosaur I talked to has voted yes for the contract. We have lived through multiple arbitrations. Trust me, we will not do better.
We probably could have done better if the last president hadn't fucked up so royally
By the by, what is your definition of dinosaur?
City is...
REDUCING my education benefits.
REDUCING my chances of getting a decent Furlough.
REDUCING my choices of health care providers.
REDUCING my ability to fight any future pension issues.
and finally
It's reducing any and all purchasing power by only giving me a 11% raise over five years.
AFTER we have reduced fucking crime by over 1,000,000 percent per the mayor and McShits. We are at 1965 crime levels.
Oh and I KNOW FOR A FACT that the Arbiter will FOR SURE stick it in our ass and TOTALLY give us 0% raise because I AM A CLAIRVOYANT.
Ok I guess I WILL vote YES to this piece of shit contract and like it.
There you go you asshole NO Voters!!!
We had an officer in 024 call the union and ask if someone could come out to discuss the contract. The union sent out the 1st vice president and one of the lawyers ( who's name I forgot ) that actually was part of the negotiating team to 2nd watch roll calls. They then came back for 3rd watch. Not sure if anyone came out to midnights.
Some of you (most likely Rahm's boy's) are pitching to vote "yes".
Let me tell you puppies, they're telling you to vote yes because of the retro pay. Think about down the line when it's time to retire. That's the time you don't want Obama Care taking care of your sorry asses. Slowly, they're pushing this AFC on everyone. It's the start of it and they're tempting you by giving you the retro. Fuck the retro!! If you need a few extra bucks you can always work VRI or a side job. Don't blow your medical for the lousy retro pay. Once you vote yes, it's opening the door for socialize medicine. Check with the countries that already have socialized medicine. When you need medical treatment you'll have to be put on a list. Wake up boys and girls, once you vote this in, you won't be able to take it back. Who gives a shit what the arbitrator will do? Why can't he give you parity like the Firemen? Maybe he won't but you won't get stuck with socialized medicine. Your worst fucking will be voting yes. Wake up people or you'll be sorry with no recourse.
I've spoken to 745 officers and 626 voted no. The proof will be in the pudding. Samples from 014/008/025/010/015/024 and multiple courts.
Thank you unit reps from the above districts. You saved us.
If this is true, why do you hide your identity? I work 2nd watch in 024 and those that I spoke with, the majority have voted yes. Why? Because while they may not all that's in the proposal, they believe that its the best offer we could hope for.
Going to arbitration will not result in more for us and less for the city.
As for your impromptu poll, I call bullshit.
Took a poll in 12 yesterday and it appears 90% NO and 10% YES.
You've shown your true colors in record time, Dean. I hope one day we'll all know exactly what went on behind those closed doors in "Core Group" meetings with the city's attorneys.
Well, considering that the current team has only been in place since, what? April of this year, I find it hard to believe that they could already be in bed with Rahm.
In fact, in my 25 years on this job, I don't think that I've ever heard the majority of coppers say that they approve of whatever team was in place at the time.
But, you are entitled to your opinion. Just like the old saying goes, "Opinions are like ass holes, everybody got them."
You Speak Of FOP as Separate From Yourselves. You All Are FOP. FOP Speaks For You. If You Do Not Want FOP To Do Something. Get Down To The Meetings And Tell Them So
I Did that once and was told I was a rabble rouser and out of order. I wouldn't go to another fop meeting for anything. fop should of been dumped about 18 years ago.
Every member owes the next member an honest effort researching the elements of the contract. Watch the videos posted on the FOP Web site, paying close attention to the one including the attorney hired to negotiate with the city. If you conduct a thorough due diligence investigation of the contract, then cast your vote according to your findings. Whatever your choice, an informed decision is your individual responsibility as a member of the lodge. Spreading false, uninformed information is very irresponsible and damaging to the membership in whole and fails to help us move forward.....Not part of the elected FOP leadership, an informed member of the FOP.
Anonymous said...
I'm the unit rep in my district and I conducted a preliminary poll and across all watches it was an overwhelming yes vote at 84 percent with 301 people in the district voting. I'm gonna say if it's pretty consistent among other districts it will pass with no problem at all... But of those 301 people who replied to my vote in sure a number of them will not vote in the official fop vote. Why?? Who knows.
10/04/2014 02:28:00 AM
What district?
You're full of shit.
Anonymous said...
Morons. Does anybody actually think an arbitrator is going to look at the contract and say "Wow these guys are getting fucked"."I think I'm going to give them a better contract than fire and the sgt's" knowing that if he does, it automatically changes their contract to what ever we get".
The idiocy is staggering in this dept. Get your heads out of your asses gel hairs and dinosaurs. Look at the country. Coppers are their own worst enemy.
HEY WHY DONT YOU GO FUCK YOURSELF?
Why are we morons if we vote no? You got a vote. Vote the way you want to. Hair gels and Dinosaurs? Where do you fit in on this department?
YOU, my non-friend, are the poster child for what's wrong with this department. "I'm in this for me and fuck everyone else" I bet your punk ass works VRI and crows to everyone on your watch about how much money you make.
A "no" vote would tell Angelo and Rahm that they can't bully us into voting yes.
If you're not a "hair gel or dinosaur" then you probably have at least one more contract in your "career". YOU should be voting no MORON.
Plan on taking the family to the Dells for your hillbilly vacation with your much deserved retro check?
We're not morons for voting no we just have more moral backbone than those voting yes (YOU)
10/04/2014 12:06:00 PM
Love the "taking your family to theDells for your hillbilly vacation" remark.
The rest of it is right on the money,too.
Way too many short-sighted yes voters.
Luckily I'll be in the sgt's' Union soon enough and I wish all of you good luck but if you think an arbitrator will do better than what we have you're out of your fucking minds. Just look at the last two times it went to arbitration. And gee same arbitrator both times. Can you say Benn once again. Get ready for an ass fucking of staggering proportions if this doesn't go through. Oh yeah and I'd say 50 percent of the people that are voting haven't even bothered to read a damn thing in this contract and how it affects them. And that's being generous. Most are voting a certain way based on what the genious next to them in the squad has been preaching for the last two months. Who gives a shit about the squad cars, so what if it's in there. Everyone knows no matter what we ain't getting any more anyway.
nonymous said...
Sgts, Lts, and Capts lost NOTHING in their contracts! You know why? Because the City knew our FOP would waffle and accept the changes and the "me too" clause would ultimately change theirs as well. Vote No!
10/04/2014 10:41:00 AM
The "me too" clause works one way. We get butt fucked, they stay the same. We win, they win.
In contract negotiations, the only things that are negotiable, are things that are already in the contract. You know, wages and benefits, that sort of thing. When in the past, the FOP has attempted to negotiate on behalf of the retirees, for health insurance issues, the city has refused to discuss it. They don't have to. By including pension language in the contract,pension issues are now negotiable. Once that door is opened, it can't be closed. Vote no.
Voting Yes , five years on , management with a chance of going to airport .
You jagoff's wanted Mike Shields out of office for making a mistake with the letter. Now look what your stuck with Dear Sr=(Nolan Jr.) who sold out his membership because he knows he is a one termer. I have said it once and I will say it again Mike Shields was not in bed with the city and had huge balls.
Retired in the sun
Anonymous said...
Why oh why is this happening to our first responders? The politicians have ruined everything and yet they remain in office. Time to vote them all out now.
10/04/2014 01:09:00 PM
It is always time to vote politicians out of office in Illinois. And sure as shit someone like you posts some dipshit sentence exclaiming exactly that. I've been hearing that since I first voted in 1972.
How about is time for the lazy uninformed near comatose voters to get off their big fat asses and go to the polls and actually exercise the right to vote that so many of our ancestors died to defend?
Understand there is little chance of any large number of voters actually doing that. Most don't know when the elections are or who is running for what. They would not want to miss their shows to go vote.
The only way many of the morons in Chicago ever vote is if the precinct captain goes to get them and drives them to the polls and back again.
Vote them out? Good idea! Jeez, glad you thought of it! Now figure out how to get the voters out of their easy chair to go vote.
I got my ballot. There is no square for "Don't give a shit" or "Go fuck yourself."
My thoughts exactly! Does anyone remember our history with the last two arbitrations? This contract isn't bad enough to send it to some guy to make the decisions. The only thing that will change is we will lose $$$$ and more time without our money. When the arbitrator makes his ruling it will be 2016 and our contract will be expired shortly after. That's nearly 5 years with no raise because some thought an arbitrator will be generous to us. If the contract is not ratified we will all be sorry 18 months from now when the arbitrator makes his ruling. Voted YES.
There's stuff in there that isn't bad and there's stuff in there that is blatantly wrong. If it gets voted down, go and try to renegotiate the sticking points, before it goes to an arbitrator (arbiter?). Obviously, w/ 10,000 members, you're not going to have everyone agree that even one point works for all, but take a poll, see what the biggest gripes are and try to change those issues. I don't know. It's a shitty situation no matter how you look at it.
The plan for after we vote no is to fire the labor attorney and get the same one as the teachers...
o.k. so now I'm definitely voting yes.
You don't have any ability to say who is being fired or hired to represent us for arbitration if this contract gets voted down.
And also, correct me if I'm wrong but the teacher's contract win, the one they celebrated when Daley gave them 16 % over 4 years and looked like a hero on his way out ?
They were forced into a concession by Rahm, who made them give in on a giveback.
That's what led to their walking during NATO, and gave Karen Lewis her 15 min. of fame. But she didn't get back the money they gave back, they still lost teachers, they closed a bunch of schools, and she ain't got a chance against that ruthless bastard.
FOP isn't worried about shit.
Union leaders sold out years ago.
If you really care about your future, your family, read John Kass.
Its about a 5 minute read.
If you really care, you can call him and he'll explain it to you.
Good luck workers. You need it.
Thomas McDonagh said...
There is no encouraging or pressing going on regarding this contract.
BULLSHIT!!!!! Roll call visits, town hall meetings, videos [that barely loaded properly and buffered horribly] and frantic updates on the FOPs website WITHOUT LISTING ANY CONS...is....wait for it....PRESSING THE MEMBERSHIP TO CAST AN UNEDUCATED VOTE. So yes, Tommy Boy, this can be construed as "pressing" or "encouraging". No other FOP administration as long as I can remember "pressed" or "encouraged" this much to get something passed. Ya know what that tells me? Tells me that you guys are trying to help the enemy (Rahm) in his reelection bid. Also tells me that you clowns were probably promised something if successful. Guess they didn't teach that in detective school, huh?
I voted No!
My partner voted No!
Only one guy on my team was a yes.
Most of the Dets I know all voted No
Anonymous said...
Retired FOP Sgt. said...
I am a retired sergeant who has paid FOP dues, both active and retired since FOP Day 1. Why didn't I receive a ballot via U.S. mail?
10/04/2014 12:42:00 AM
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Thank God you retired because you really are stupid.
Only ACTIVE officers get to vote.
Read the by-laws.
The FOP is a joke. Compromised. In Rahms pocket. They wouldn't tell us s^*t about updates in the contract all along pulling the "we will tell you when the time is right" or "we will have a meeting with unit reps" lines of BS. This is OUR livihood OUR future OUR everything and they treat us like children who have no say so in the decision making. Is everyone tired yet of being treated like 2nd class citizens? Worse health care than illegal aliens and welfare leeches. Smaller raises than burger flippers. No equipment to do our jobs. Not enough manpower. Taking away seniority with furlos. Taking away duty avail for new guys. And on and on and on. Take this contract and shove it up your ass FOP. A group of Madison Avenue pissbums could have done a better job of negotiating a better contract.
10/04/2014 06:52:00 AM
---It's Madison STREET, player...
FYI - There has NEVER been an arbitrator who has ruled favorably for the rank and file.
I enjoy the little sofball working days in 017 that posted a copy of his "NO vote" ballot all over the station. He takes the cake on dumb! Everyone in 017 was laughing about him. Not a very smart man. What an embarrassment.
I voted YES and I'm a dinosaur. I don't want that arbitrator poking me in the eye again.
Vote the way U want to vote. Just asking that U R informed when U send U'r vote in.
Don't listen to some copper U don't even know whose interests mayB completely different then U'r own.
An educated cast is a better cast.
The ounger PPOs and those newly off probation soon listen to U'r Parents on this one...."Be a leader not a follower."
I have a question what would happen if nobody voted at all.
I've only been on the job 22 yrs and the funny part is nothing's changed 70% bitching about how they're getting screwed and 30% just takin and doing they're job. Much ado about nothing. 22yrs from now it will be the same and we will have gone thru another bunch of puppet supt. you guys complain about thinking the next one will be better. Try being men do something about it or take it like aman and obey .
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm a firm believer in getting what you can for Officers, but some of you have got to come to your senses. You are talking about a time where people are still not getting any kind of pay increase what soever. You are talking about a job where you have to have only a high school education and some college credits to be making right now $85,000 at approximately 15 years on the job. By the middle of 2017, that will be at $95,000 to just answer your calls. That doesn't include uniform and duty availability. You are complaining about wording that the city states they will have more cars or that you can't get your graduate tuition paid in full. You still can get your four year degree paid for.
Insurance cost is going up....did you think the city is not going to hold out to get some of it paid for ??? Come on, common sense, the city is never going to ask that we contribute more ??? My God, If I hear one more idiot say, it all started when we had to start paying one dollar. Let's go to the arbitrator... He is going to look at what the rest of the city employees got and say, yep this is what you get, minus the 4% for 2012...which would be loss for the rest of your career earnings and pensionable for the rest of your lives. Do the math, 4% compounded for the rest of your earning years and pension. Wake up, these are difficult times not just for workers but for cities around the country. Police Officers are getting laid off while some departments are disbanding. Read up, Miami P.D. was forced to take two pay cuts before a federal judge stepped in and stopped the third. Is it a great contract... No! Is it fair, Yeah.
Suck ass much?
Voted No.
Shockingly ! I received a mailed ballot at my old residence from where I used to live. Days later, I was given it, opened it up, and to my shock another Police Officer's name was printed on the return address on the ballot!!!!! I was shocked that I could not get my important ballot mailed to me directly with my correct address and my CORRECT NAME. It makes me worry how many other defective ballots have been circulating and being delivered to the wrong households and wrong people. I immediately sent all pertinent copies of evidence directly to FOP President. I hope I can receive a ballot immediately that has the correct name and correct address in order for me to vote on time so that I am not disenfranchised. Please people, look at your ballots you receive, it's impossible I am the only one who has encountered receiving incorrect names/addresses on their ballot. They are due right around the corner, and these screw ups could make or break the passing of this contract.
I got my FOP newsletter yesterday and read it. I say well done and send out a big THANK YOU to all involved in the process. My faith in this FOP is solid.
SO all our great FOP reps are saying the system is corrupt and all contracts for now on will basically favor the city?
Arbitrators are only voting in favor of what the city wants?
The FOP is saying that if they file legal briefs against certain items in the contract the Cities reps are to smart and will beat the dog piss out of the FOP?
The City has no money to function and can lie to the arbitrator and the FOP and nothing happens?
Ok you got me i will vote no for shit and giggles just to see how great RAHM and his lackey lie!
I will also be able to tell if the system was rigged when certain items comes to light that have been agreed upon regardless of what the members demanded.
I really hate clean sweeps in FOP elections it makes police officers look incompetent at running a union.
I'm a firm believer in getting what you can for Officers, but some of you have got to come to your senses. You are talking about a time where people are still not getting any kind of pay increase what soever. You are talking about a job where you have to have only a high school education and some college credits to be making right now $85,000 at approximately 15 years on the job. By the middle of 2017, that will be at $95,000 to just answer your calls. That doesn't include uniform and duty availability. You are complaining about wording that the city states they will have more cars or that you can't get your graduate tuition paid in full. You still can get your four year degree paid for.
25 years on the job makes $86,130 per year, not counting duty availability which would add another $3,200. Starting pay for an officer is $43,104. That's 25 years of dealing with a lot of crap, a ton of stress, missing family functions, and not being able to do shit with your kids. I don't disagree with you that cops make decent money but it's not just for answering calls as if those calls had no danger attached to them and arrests never need to be made along with paperwork needing to be filled out until your eyes bleed and your fingers go numb. I'd say their salaries are in line with other much safer professions like teachers, nurses, lawyers, tradesmen, etc. Hell, my buddy makes $27 an hour driving a bus. Another one makes what a 15 year cop makes for sitting on a computer typing in a downtown office on days with weekends and holidays off. My point is, let's not pretend like cops are getting rich on their salaries for what at times can be a pretty disgusting and shitty job with terrible hours. Alderman make more than cops for a part time gig and have better benefits too but nobody seems to complain about their overinflated salaries and benefits.
That all being said, I agree with you that some of these people do need to come to their senses. I voted yes for the contract. A few things in it bother me but that's part of negotiation. You don't get everything you want without giving a few things up in return. I think 11% over 5 years is a fair raise in this economic climate. Coppers seem to want a 16%-20% raise over 4 years along with everything else they're wanting, without giving up a thing. That's not reality people, and an arbitrator is not going to see it that way either. You may actually get worse than what's in this tentative agreement.
No!!!! Just because of tiered hospital system.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Open your eyes boys and girls. The reason why the FOP is pushing this contract to go through is so that it doesn't become a mayoral election campaign issue. Is it possible this was all set up back when Shields was involved? It's the Chicago way.
10/04/2014 01:24:00 PM
Of course it was. Shields was told not to send the letter so Emanuel could get his minion leadership in the little dink unions to con the bossholes into giving away their pension protection against unlawful increases in their share.
With the bossholes "taken care of" by their sellout representation it became an easy shitbag of a contract to sell to the members of the FOP.
Of course, both candidates were going to sell us out just like the bosshole unions sold out their memberships.
Shitting on the little guys first made the con job that much easier of a sell to the stupid blue shirts.
Our history of contracts is arbitration, and that's what Emanuel and Angelo desperately want to avoid.
Emanuel because it shows the cops are against him and his contract was a pension sellout.
Angelo because he thinks he's an insider who's gonna get the golden ticket if he shits on the FOP membership to fuck themselves out of pension protection.
All a setup from the word go. And you haven't heard from Shields at all have you?
Your biggest concern is that Angelo will refuse to put the pension language in front of an arbiter.
Angelo will simply "stipulate" on that issue claiming we're all in agreement and instead try and focus on the raises.
The one single thing you people need to do is ensure that REMOVAL OF THE PENSION LANGUAGE is first and foremost the main issue to have removed.
An arbiter cannot force the membership to give up pension rights. THAT can be taken into court and won.
If an arbiter were to have the pension issue in front of him as the city wanting it and the membership NOT wanting it in the contract, any attempt to force it upon us in his ruling becomes our legal standing to sue the city and state if they increase your share.
An arbiter has no authority to remove your pension rights.
Ensure pension language is REMOVED from this contract.
Don't let Angelo sell you all out for him being promised the gold.
And if he refuses to make pension an issue then march against your union and move to decertify.
DEMAND to have the arbitration issues made available to you all BEFORE they are taken to the arbiter.
Don't know if you saw this article, but you might want to check it out:
http://stump.marypat.org/article/127/public-pensions-watch-don-t-get-your-hopes-up-chicago
Anonymous said...
rumor is demoted lt./commanders reassigned as an xo , no real job description and keep their commanders pay that is a huge drain on our pension captain rank 100% appointed , merit another political appointment that drains our pension could the new fop be in bed with city hall?
10/04/2014 12:38:00 PM
Six moves...Command Changes in 006,012, 018 and 025. One Chief and Two Deputy Chiefs also being moved within the next 10 days. This information is coming out of the Hall, not 35th Street.
Anonymous said...
Shockingly ! I received a mailed ballot at my old residence from where I used to live. Days later, I was given it, opened it up, and to my shock another Police Officer's name was printed on the return address on the ballot!!!!! I was shocked that I could not get my important ballot mailed to me directly with my correct address and my CORRECT NAME. It makes me worry how many other defective ballots have been circulating and being delivered to the wrong households and wrong people. I immediately sent all pertinent copies of evidence directly to FOP President. I hope I can receive a ballot immediately that has the correct name and correct address in order for me to vote on time so that I am not disenfranchised. Please people, look at your ballots you receive, it's impossible I am the only one who has encountered receiving incorrect names/addresses on their ballot. They are due right around the corner, and these screw ups could make or break the passing of this contract.
10/05/2014 06:45:00 AM
Sounds like not only will you have to change your address but you will have to change your name also! Tough break.
Sorry Dean Jr, guess again. Not Aguliar posting that comment. And btw, read your own by-laws and the contract...only Shields (President) could sign a contractual letter.
Now go back to your nice new $ caddi and talk about how good of a copper you are.
Anonymous said...
Take this contract and shove it up your ass FOP. A group of Madison Avenue pissbums could have done a better job of negotiating a better contract.
10/04/2014 06:52:00 AM
---It's Madison STREET, player...
10/05/2014 12:18:00 AM
Madison Street, Madison Ave, there are no more piss bums on either.
"The union shouldn't be for or against any contract." WTF!!! Boy I hope your not the police. Idiot
Anonymous said...
You jagoff's wanted Mike Shields out of office for making a mistake with the letter. Now look what your stuck with Dear Sr=(Nolan Jr.) who sold out his membership because he knows he is a one termer. I have said it once and I will say it again Mike Shields was not in bed with the city and had huge balls.
Retired in the sun
10/04/2014 09:39:00 PM
Huge balls do not cover for no brains. Shields made too many mistakes. And a few of them were huge mistakes. Mistakes that cost the membership dearly.
Remember those fantastic allegations he made on the way out? What happened with those? Not a peep since then. No investigation, no Pan Zeckman report. No Fran Spielman daily column about The Shields allegations.
No evidence whatsoever. If he had even bothered to talk to any one of those detectives on the Board they would have told him, "You got nothing kid."
Nothing except his dick in his hand.
Just accept the truth that the so-called leadership at the FOP is corrupt and dishonest and is securely in Mayor Emanuel's back pocket. Voting Yes or Voting No,doesn't really matter. Rahm wins either way.Thanks,Disability Dean ya piece of shit!
Retired FOP Sgt. said...
I am a retired sergeant who has paid FOP dues, both active and retired since FOP Day 1. Why didn't I receive a ballot via U.S. mail?
10/04/2014 12:42:00 AM
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Thank God you retired because you really are stupid.
Only ACTIVE officers get to vote.
Read the by-laws.
Isn't the sgt the guy we are supposed to go to if we as po's don't know the answer and need advice.
Chicago Police Approve A 4-year Contract
September 07, 1996|By Andrew Martin, Tribune Staff Writer.
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Rank-and-file Chicago police officers Friday ratified a four-year contract with the city, although the outcome was closer than the leader of the police union had expected.
Of the officers casting ballots, 4,489, or about 53 percent, voted to approve the contract, while 4,033 voted against it, said Bill Nolan, president of the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 7. The union represents about 12,000 police officers below the rank of sergeant.
"It was a little closer than I thought. I was thinking 55 to 60 percent (would approve the contract)," said Nolan, who negotiated the pact with Mayor Richard Daley's administration.
Friday's vote marked the first time since 1981 that the city and the police agreed on a contract without going to arbitration.
"To me, that's the best part," Nolan said. "When you go to arbitration, somebody always loses. It's a roll of the dice."
The heart of the contract is a 14 percent raise for police over four years. That's significantly less than the 5.5 percent annual raises that the FOP had requested.
The agreement also reduces health-care contributions of police retirees, some of whom pay more than $400 a month.
Under the new pact, about 1,100 of the nearly 3,700 retired officers will see their monthly premiums reduced to $190, about the same as other city retirees pay.
Active officers will help pay for that reduction.
They will see health-insurance premiums increase by 50 percent during the next four years. Police officers currently pay less than 1 percent of their monthly salaries for health care.
"The retirees are going to be taken care of for the first time in history," Nolan said.
The close vote signifies "dissatisfaction with the mayor" by police officers, Nolan said. He said many officers are upset at their raises because last year Daley's pay was boosted 48 percent, and the aldermen's was increased 36 percent.
Daley spokeswoman Lisa Howard declined to comment on Nolan's statement.
"It's a democratic process," she said, referring to Friday's vote. "The city considers it a win. We're very pleased with the result."
Dinosaursus revolvers here. I agree on most of your post. But every dinosaur I talked to has voted yes for the contract. We have lived through multiple arbitrations. Trust me, we will not do better.
We probably could have done better if the last president hadn't fucked up so royally
My guess is the older guys and the 2nd watch in 024 voted for the contract because this may be their last contract and wont really affect them that much. They just want to get it over with , move on and retire shortly.
Shields fucked up, but the only thing he really screwed up was retro for one year, which Rahm gave us anyway minus the retro for OT. Besides that the new FOP did the negotiating
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The 1996 arbitration, granted us a 16% raise, as opposed to the 8% offered by the city.So, we have won when letting an arbitrator decide.
10/04/2014 03:36:00 PM
Here is the real truth ?
Chicago Police Approve A 4-year Contract
September 07, 1996|By Andrew Martin, Tribune Staff Writer.
2
Rank-and-file Chicago police officers Friday ratified a four-year contract with the city, although the outcome was closer than the leader of the police union had expected.
Of the officers casting ballots, 4,489, or about 53 percent, voted to approve the contract, while 4,033 voted against it, said Bill Nolan, president of the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 7. The union represents about 12,000 police officers below the rank of sergeant.
"It was a little closer than I thought. I was thinking 55 to 60 percent (would approve the contract)," said Nolan, who negotiated the pact with Mayor Richard Daley's administration.
Friday's vote marked the first time since 1981 that the city and the police agreed on a contract without going to arbitration.
"To me, that's the best part," Nolan said. "When you go to arbitration, somebody always loses. It's a roll of the dice."
The heart of the contract is a 14 percent raise for police over four years. That's significantly less than the 5.5 percent annual raises that the FOP had requested.
The agreement also reduces health-care contributions of police retirees, some of whom pay more than $400 a month.
Under the new pact, about 1,100 of the nearly 3,700 retired officers will see their monthly premiums reduced to $190, about the same as other city retirees pay.
Active officers will help pay for that reduction.
They will see health-insurance premiums increase by 50 percent during the next four years. Police officers currently pay less than 1 percent of their monthly salaries for health care.
"The retirees are going to be taken care of for the first time in history," Nolan said.
The close vote signifies "dissatisfaction with the mayor" by police officers, Nolan said. He said many officers are upset at their raises because last year Daley's pay was boosted 48 percent, and the aldermen's was increased 36 percent.
Daley spokeswoman Lisa Howard declined to comment on Nolan's statement.
"It's a democratic process," she said, referring to Friday's vote. "The city considers it a win. We're very pleased with the result."
Al said...
I voted YES and I'm a dinosaur. I don't want that arbitrator poking me in the eye again.
10/05/2014 12:45:00 AM
You'd rather have the mayor poking you in the ass?
What's shocking is that the FOP is either dysfunctional or scemeing to have this vote pass. I was planning on voting yes, but talked to my daughter yesterday (she is a PPO), her ballot came In her husbands name and he isn't even on the job. He is listed as her husband on forms she filled out at fop, but that would be only way his name would appear on any fop docs... These ballots should be scrapped and another batch should be reissued...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Shockingly ! I received a mailed ballot at my old residence from where I used to live. Days later, I was given it, opened it up, and to my shock another Police Officer's name was printed on the return address on the ballot!!!!! I was shocked that I could not get my important ballot mailed to me directly with my correct address and my CORRECT NAME. It makes me worry how many other defective ballots have been circulating and being delivered to the wrong households and wrong people. I immediately sent all pertinent copies of evidence directly to FOP President. I hope I can receive a ballot immediately that has the correct name and correct address in order for me to vote on time so that I am not disenfranchised. Please people, look at your ballots you receive, it's impossible I am the only one who has encountered receiving incorrect names/addresses on their ballot. They are due right around the corner, and these screw ups could make or break the passing of this contract.
10/05/2014 06:45:00 AM
Don't they still have in-person voting? YOU need to get there in person to protect your vote.
Shockingly ! I received a mailed ballot at my old residence from where I used to live. Days later, I was given it, opened it up, and to my shock another Police Officer's name was printed on the return address on the ballot!!!!! I was shocked that I could not get my important ballot mailed to me directly with my correct address and my CORRECT NAME. It makes me worry how many other defective ballots have been circulating and being delivered to the wrong households and wrong people. I immediately sent all pertinent copies of evidence directly to FOP President. I hope I can receive a ballot immediately that has the correct name and correct address in order for me to vote on time so that I am not disenfranchised. Please people, look at your ballots you receive, it's impossible I am the only one who has encountered receiving incorrect names/addresses on their ballot. They are due right around the corner, and these screw ups could make or break the passing of this contract.
After you recovered from being shocked and reshocked,why didnt you just vote and mail the ballot back? It came to your name and evidently old address, I imagine you gave the FOP the change of address so they could send the ballot to your correct address or did you not notify the FOP of your new address.
I voted no and so did 80% of my watch along with numerous people from other watches. Looks like a no vote. We will be going to arbitration.
All you young folks need to vote yes, never mind the so called veterans who will be retiring soon, or in 3-4 yrs. This is the best you are going to get. look around the country at other police depts. this 2- 3 percent is the normal range. Go to an arbitrator and if you lose ,you can lose it all, get a pissed off guy and he can spank you good, only go to an arbitrator if you have a solid beef, and this my friends is as good as it gets, maybe next contract will be better, I'm a restired Sgt, who left last year, and I got a 4800.00 back pay check, not bad.
Maybe it's a guilty conscience surfacing
NO VOTE FOR ME. All this little stuff to screw us later. READ THE CONTRACT. Retro shouldn't decide your vote. Our future contracts and ability to live in this crappy city is at stake.
You still don't get it do you? Grow a set like a man and be able to look yourself in the mirror everyday knowing you didn't let rham fuck you. Take a stand chump. Yeah we probably won't get that year retro for the first year by an arbitrator. But have you even looked at the medical mumbo jumbo in there? The iod bullshit in there? Be your own maker son and live within your means.
You don't know how an arbitrator will rule. But it's a chance you have to take.
YOU and everyone that thinks like you is a fucking idiot.....
Voted no. Can't be swayed no matter how hard FOP tries. Gave away too much for an $800 retro check. Contract sucks.
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I really hate clean sweeps in FOP elections it makes police officers look incompetent at running a union.
10/05/2014 07:54:00 AM
Police officers are incompetent at running a union.
Voted yes and hope it passes you boys and girls have no idea how bad we will have it if idiots vote no! Considering times it's not a great contract but fair! Vote will be available online 17oct after the. Count you vote no front page of all papers about how " greedy cops" rejected a fair contract and it seems he younger coppers who went to college but never had a real job joined Cpd and now think they deserve the world!
Another question partner signed up for 55 and out to go next year if contract is voted down will the city still provide 55 and out free or will it be void? Or will the 109 that signed up still get it? Labor attorneys we know you read this blog any advice? Comments?
Vote No , unless you have an inside assignment that a 20 year copper is unable to Bid for , on second watch because of your oral skills , helicopter pilot , future merit Sargent . If you have clout , don't need office jobs and watch selection 95% bid spots , then vote yes .
Madison Street, Madison Ave, there are no more piss bums on either.
10/05/2014 09:42:00 AM
You're not a Chicagoan, are you? Take a drive west of the United Center, up Madison, and become enlightened. Just make sure you lock those car doors when you do.
Don't worry about what people will say about "us" greedy coppers when we VOTE NO because in the end its about your money, your quality of life, your ability to enjoy your hard earned money from the pension your contributions and the city's required contributions (stop laughing only we can make them do their part) access to your choice of medical care at minimal costs NOT OBAMA CARE! Ugh, it's like beating a dead horse smh look past the couple $$'s of retro
VOTE NO! VOTE NO! VOTE NO!
Another question partner signed up for 55 and out to go next year if contract is voted down will the city still provide 55 and out free or will it be void? Or will the 109 that signed up still get it? Labor attorneys we know you read this blog any advice? Comments?
10/05/2014 07:10:00 PM
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55 and out is offered at the City's discretion. It isn't part of the contract.
Those who already signed up will get it, provided the minimum number was met.
By the by, what is your definition of dinosaur?
10/04/2014 06:31:00 PM
A mammoth creature that pinched loaves the size of school buses. Sorta like the zombie working the late wagon on days.
Voted yes and hope it passes you boys and girls have no idea how bad we will have it if idiots vote no! Considering times it's not a great contract but fair! Vote will be available online 17oct after the. Count you vote no front page of all papers about how " greedy cops" rejected a fair contract and it seems he younger coppers who went to college but never had a real job joined Cpd and now think they deserve the world!
Another question partner signed up for 55 and out to go next year if contract is voted down will the city still provide 55 and out free or will it be void? Or will the 109 that signed up still get it? Labor attorneys we know you read this blog any advice? Comments?
10/05/2014 07:10:00 PM
I noticed you and another old timer said the contract was fair!
Can you explain the fair parts to us?
YOU and everyone that thinks like you is a fucking idiot
Get over it old timer, 25 years and on days and you'll get a what, a 12 a furlo. 12 years on and on midnight and I'll get a 130 and a lot of cha ching. It's our turn now get over it, 1st watch rules.
And that's how the fop sold us out. Just remember kid, you'll be in my shoes one day, regretting this vote
What's shocking is that the FOP is either dysfunctional or scemeing to have this vote pass. I was planning on voting yes, but talked to my daughter yesterday (she is a PPO), her ballot came In her husbands name and he isn't even on the job. He is listed as her husband on forms she filled out at fop, but that would be only way his name would appear on any fop docs... These ballots should be scrapped and another batch should be reissued...
What documents do you fill out at FOP?
How does this help the FOP scheme to get the vote passed? How do they know how your daughter is going to vote? Makes no sense what you are saying. Have her make her choice and mail the ballot back.
Remember The Movie Key Lago ?
Remember Edward G. Robinson ?
In the movie he played a hood named Rico. When he was asked what he wanted, his reply was "More"
He did not have a clear idea of what "More" was, but he knew he wanted "More" of it. I suggest you all sit, and take a reflective look at what it is you expect your FOP to do for you.
From All The Postings I Have Read, You All Sound like Rico
Voted yes , 59 with 35 years on . I could care less about extra bid spots for days , airport or office jobs . I get all the VRI , overtime whenever I want , late arrest , tvb . Summer furloughs , four more years until I get forced out , I would work until 67 if they let me .
Voted yes , 59 with 35 years on . I could care less about extra bid spots for days , airport or office jobs . I get all the VRI , overtime whenever I want , late arrest , tvb . Summer furloughs , four more years until I get forced out , I would work until 67 if they let me .
asked 4,913 people and 4,735 voted yes. Thanks to all the smart folks out there!!!
I noticed you and another old timer said the contract was fair!
Can you explain the fair parts to us?
10/06/2014 04:52:00 AM
11% raise over 5 years which is more than most in the private sector are getting.
Retroactive pay for 2012 which the city didn't have to grant and will be off the table in arbitration.
No shitty ass wellness program which the rest of the city's employees are going to be in.
The above is in exchange for:
No duty availability for new hires for the first 42 months..
2% of your pension payments contributed for heath care when retiring at 55.
The city paying slightly less for college tuition on post graduate degrees.
A tier system for ppo type health care which isn't much different than what currently exists with the in and out of network ppo health insurance.
But let me guess, you want all of the positive things without giving up anything in exchange. You want everything you want without giving up anything in return right?
Why don't you tell us what you would consider is a fair contract?
Anonymous said...
Remember The Movie Key Lago ?
Remember Edward G. Robinson ?
In the movie he played a hood named Rico. When he was asked what he wanted, his reply was "More"
He did not have a clear idea of what "More" was, but he knew he wanted "More" of it. I suggest you all sit, and take a reflective look at what it is you expect your FOP to do for you.
From All The Postings I Have Read, You All Sound like Rico
No his name wAnonymous said...
Remember The Movie Key Lago ?
Remember Edward G. Robinson ?
In the movie he played a hood named Rico. When he was asked what he wanted, his reply was "More"
He did not have a clear idea of what "More" was, but he knew he wanted "More" of it. I suggest you all sit, and take a reflective look at what it is you expect your FOP to do for you.
From All The Postings I Have Read, You All Sound like Rico
No his name was Anonymous said...
Remember The Movie Key Lago ?
Remember Edward G. Robinson ?
In the movie he played a hood named Rico. When he was asked what he wanted, his reply was "More"
He did not have a clear idea of what "More" was, but he knew he wanted "More" of it. I suggest you all sit, and take a reflective look at what it is you expect your FOP to do for you.
From All The Postings I Have Read, You All Sound like Rico
No his name in the movie was Johnny Rocco. Rice was his nickname in Lil Ceaser.
OK I have vote No.
Here are my reasons.
1. We give up more then we gain.
Dean isn't interested in the fact that the tuition reimbursement program gets lowered.
He already benefited from it.
2. The FOP negotiating team didn't learn about the contract until they read about it in the newspaper.
Seems Dean negotiated with the city behind closed doors WITHOUT the negotiating team?
3. When confronted with questions about the contract Dean negotiated, he had conflicting answers.
4. The last contract, Arbitrator Benn noted that we were basically getting screwed on the last contract, citing the economy, and noted that it should be made up in THE NEXT Contract (meaning this contract).
So we have a better chance with arbitration than just cowing down to the CITY'S DEMANDS.
5. The dangling of the retro for 1 year (base salary only) is the typical city move to divide and conquer and Rahm trying to look like he's DOING US A FAVOR. DEAN'S argument is the compounded interest is lost. If they wanted to help us, the city would have loaded the percentage raise on the FRONT not the back of contract. Then the compounded interest means something.
4. Lengthening the contract BENEFITS RAHM not us. During the election year we get 1%, really? 1%? and they couldn't get a better deal?
Let him negotiate with us FAIRLY when OUR VOTE means something to Rahm.
Here arbitration is the better answer again.
5. The furlough clause really doesn't affect me. But it does divide the ranks. It only benefits the city, not the rank and file.
And when asked at his town hall meeting Dean's attitude was dismissive, as if it really didn't matter to HIM.
Here again historically arbitration looks to our past contracts before making drastic changes to us.
So I voted No. Everyone I spoke to voted NO, except 1 person.
My question is why does the FOP count the votes? It should be an independent agency counting the votes.
Because as usual the FOP will claim that the Yes votes won by like 79 votes.
Now saying this, I voted for Dean, but now I am regretting it.
For the love of God and all of Mankind Vote NO man!
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