Redefine Crime from the Ground Up
If you can't alter the numbers via CompStat, do it via the citizen themselves:
- Police are alerting residents of a recent string of thefts on the CTA trains at the Red Line's Wilson stop on the North Side.
There were three thefts between Dec. 28 and Wednesday during late evening and early morning hours, according to an alert from the Chicago Police Department’s Office of News Affairs.
In each incident, an offender grabbed a cellphone from someone's hand and ran out of the train at the Wilson stop, 4620 N. Broadway.
Amazingly, the Tribune actually described one of the offenders, and it was a black guy, so they've returned to reality based reporting for a short while.
But isn't this a Strong Armed Robbery? Force used to take something from a victim? This wasn't a phone left on a seat and someone snatched it.
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
45 Comments:
just grabbing it from the hand is not strongarm... at least not in cook county. A push, a little fight, knocking them down etc is strongarm... again, in cook county its a theft.
Community Alert from Area North regarding
Res Burglaries in 016.
Lock your doors and windows and have a burglar
alarm installed!
I feel safer already.
How bout sending so police to patrol 016 Garry?
Someone illegally breaking into a residence to steal something, that is classified as a Criminal Trespass.
This must be a McNumbnuts initiative.
He's training the Sheeple to not only believe that crime is down to historic levels but when a crime does happen it's downgraded to a less serious category than even the sheeple originally believed.
Rahm and McNumbnuts have to go.
Not really, never has been in the last 20 years.
Unless the person actually put up a fight to retain their property it's called a theft, always has been.
If you're talking on your phone and some dick runs up and snatches it out of your hand while you stand there looking stupid no watch commander I've been around has ever called that a robbery.
It is a theft unless a fight to retain the property ensued. And they usually never fight because it happens too fast.
Nothing new here, years ago at the Lawrence el there was a fleet footed purse snatcher named Wendell who preyed on the passengers. Wendell got caught and in the words of his home boys "see those two narcs there, they ransacked Wendell's house, then they ransacked Wendell".
I had exact same scenario. Made it a strong armed robbery. Sgt approved it. No problem. Sgt then comes back to me a few days later and says next time it's a theft. I asked why? He told me that people above us wanted it that way.
The Trib had to say he was black because the TV News showed the guys picture. [or maybe it was the other way around?]
Hard to gloss over when the competition already let the 'black cat' out of the bag.
ELECTION Vote Rhamboooo
Crime is Down
Even the President Of The United States is not CONSTANTLY ON THE PHONE EVERY STEP HE TAKES.
Walking down a crowded sidewalk once, tight spot with newspaper machines, light poles, etc., can't quite get through. Little gal in the middle of it...talking on her phone, completely oblivious.
Gal's companion sees me, bends over and physically picks up gal and swings her out of the way, carries her to a better spot, then sets her back down.
She never looked up, never missed a beat. Talking, talking, talking.
What can you say?
It's not politically correct to call a strong arm robbery by that name any longer. After Michael Brown in Ferguson, it was determined by liberals that he was just being a person of color doing his thang and was killed for it by the racist police.
Since there is still a victim, and they lost property, it is now called a theft or lost property, unless the offender is white, in which case it is called armed robbery due to white privilege.
Was always told if the force is directed at the property=theft, directed at the person=robbery. Sounded good at the time. Who really gives a shit?
"... they returned to reality based reporting?" More than likely the j-school intern got fired for writing that racist comment.
Theft from Person
Still a felony
Someone needs to tell the Emperor he has no clothes.
State's Attorney would never approve a robbery charge if video (CTA has the best cameras in the business) shows proof that the victim did not hold onto the phone for even the shortest period of time. Or if the victim admits that he/she did not hold onto the phone as the offender pulled the phone from the victim's hand. If the offender pulls it from the victim's hand, without any type of resistance from the victim, it will be classified as felony theft. Long time Det.
It's not. The force was used against the phone, not the person.
UCR says merely grabbing an object out of the hand is theft. Struggling over it, or if the person fell or was kn0cked down, is the robbery. These are felony theft from person.
CMO dick
With these cell phone thefts that are taken in that manner - there is an argument to be made thats it's not much different then the ucr code for a purse snatching
It's a theft from person (at least in Chicago thinking) if the only force was used was the quick snatch with no resistance.
Now if you want to meet a quick snatch......
It's a theft, SCC. Read the manual - grabbing it isn't force.
Theft from person.
If they just grabbed it and ran it is a THEFT, kinda like purse snatching. It is not considered a strong arm robbery unless some other type of force or threat was used towards the victim. For instance, if the offender knocked, the victim down, beat him, or threatened harm (without a weapon).
Theft from person is a felony
Who cares what charge it is -- even if caught (ha!), no one's doing time anyhow.
What was the cost of security cameras on CTA , not preventing much crime . Robberies , beatings , machete attacks . CTA needs it's own police department , let's be real , special enjoyment is free money to do nothing .
(720 ILCS 5/Art. 18 heading)
ARTICLE 18. ROBBERY
(720 ILCS 5/18‑1) (from Ch. 38, par. 18‑1)
Sec. 18‑1. Robbery.
(a) A person commits robbery when he or she takes property, except a motor vehicle covered by Section 18‑3 or 18‑4, from the person or presence of another by the use of force or by threatening the imminent use of force.
I'm sorry but snatching someone's phone from their fucking hand is using force. It's supposed to be a robbery no matter how you slice it.
Anonymous said...
(720 ILCS 5/Art. 18 heading)
ARTICLE 18. ROBBERY
(720 ILCS 5/18‑1) (from Ch. 38, par. 18‑1)
Sec. 18‑1. Robbery.
(a) A person commits robbery when he or she takes property, except a motor vehicle covered by Section 18‑3 or 18‑4, from the person or presence of another by the use of force or by threatening the imminent use of force.
I'm sorry but snatching someone's phone from their fucking hand is using force. It's supposed to be a robbery no matter how you slice it. It's a theft and not a robbery. There was no physical force used nor the threat of physical force. It's equivalent to pickpocketing someone, junior......
Again, P.O.'s confusing charging and reporting. Case: Theft, Charging: Robbery, not in Crook County. Reality Charge: Theft from person, Felony.
I guess one could argue grabbing something out of somebody's hand would require some type of force.
019 picked his ass up today.
What crime?
Just reading above comments proves that the CITY AND MACNUMBNUTS got exactly what they want confusion nobody knows what the fuc@ it is ,it's a 19 p if the city has its way .its an increase in the decrease of the previous incident which happened in 1965 , which adversely affects the the results of crime as is recorded by above numb nuts , I have no idea what that means so I'm GOLDEN IN THIS City .
Anonymous said...
Even the President Of The United States is not CONSTANTLY ON THE PHONE EVERY STEP HE TAKES.
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Yeah, Kinda hard to use the phone when you are teeing up.
That's it, guys. Keep up the good work, downgrading crimes from what they should be classified as, in order to keep those crime stats looking lower than what they really are. See- CompStat is working!
Funny
I have had many cases which were the exact same thing and yes i received strong armed robbery charges from the states attorneys office.
But when the case is for case reporting purposes it is a theft.
Is this a Mystery?
I gave up caring back in the early 2000's
Mass transit can't go there too busy working red line south got to take care of the taxpayers ain't that right commander
17y.o. 'in custody' as of 17 January.
It will be interesting what/how he will be charged.
Theft from Person at a minimum, a felony, one would hope.
Mass transit can't go there too busy working red line south got to take care of the taxpayers ain't that right commander
1/18/2015 12:03:00 AM
Because the south side does not pay taxes! You sound like a FUCKING FOOL! Hard to believe natural selection allowed you to live.
Again, P.O.'s confusing charging and reporting. Case: Theft, Charging: Robbery, not in Crook County. Reality Charge: Theft from person, Felony.
Oh, please god, tell me you're not a police officer...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I had exact same scenario. Made it a strong armed robbery. Sgt approved it. No problem. Sgt then comes back to me a few days later and says next time it's a theft. I asked why? He told me that people above us wanted it that way.
1/17/2015 05:49:00 AM
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it is a theft
Here is the problem. The suspect, a juvenile aged 17 and not named according to the tribune due to his age. However the latest version of "bonny and clyde" circa Kentucky has a 13 yoa girl name and face plastered across the country and all she did was write some bad checks and steal a car.
Why is her name in the paper and this "gentle giant" armed robber not?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
(720 ILCS 5/Art. 18 heading)
ARTICLE 18. ROBBERY
(720 ILCS 5/18‑1) (from Ch. 38, par. 18‑1)
Sec. 18‑1. Robbery.
(a) A person commits robbery when he or she takes property, except a motor vehicle covered by Section 18‑3 or 18‑4, from the person or presence of another by the use of force or by threatening the imminent use of force.
I'm sorry but snatching someone's phone from their fucking hand is using force. It's supposed to be a robbery no matter how you slice it.
Another Real Crime Fighter heard from....... I am so sick and tired of coppers doing shitty lazy incompetent work. Why don t you go back to the academy and learn the difference between Case Reporting and Charging. 1/2 of the people on this job can't even put probable cause into an arrest report............. you should get a refund from where you went to college
I'm sorry but snatching someone's phone from their fucking hand is using force. It's supposed to be a robbery no matter how you slice it. It's a theft and not a robbery. There was no physical force used nor the threat of physical force. It's equivalent to pickpocketing someone, junior......
1/17/2015 02:44:00 PM
Yes we know that genius but you forget what county we work in. That's why it would never be approved.
Rape in wicker park
Robbery of delivery drivers in Logan square
No description of offender on channel 7
Guess that means if we don't describe
You must know offender ain't white
Who in their right mind would live in wicker park or Logan square , over priced area for suburbanites , soon to become victims
You are some of the most hateful racist people I have heard. You all with those racist comments should be fired!!!!!! I hope you are not patrolling minority areas, if so God Bless them. You hide behind blogs while sucking every dollar you can from the taxpayers and government funding O.T. and talk crap. If you have a problem with this job, I'm sure most of you have gotten your free education already. LEAVE IT. How would you feel if people were talking about you? "descendants of immigrants", in that manner. This is where white privilege comes in. Not to have a clue about struggles. By the way, No! the President of the United States has people who can make his phone calls for him while teeing off.
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