Shoot, No Shoot Scenario Training
We used to do this. Why don't we do this any more? Maricopa County AZ did:
- We've seen protests all across the country after police officers have been accused of shooting people who aren't armed.
But what would happen if one of those protesters looked at what it's like to wear a badge, and be put in a life or death situation.
Jarrett Maupin has been very vocal during the recent protests, leading marches on the Phoenix Police headquarters after officers shot an unarmed man who reportedly fought with them.
He agreed to go through a force on force training with the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office and went through three scenarios where you have to decide to shoot, or not to shoot.
Click on the link to see the entire thing, but here's the upshot of it all:
- In the first scenario, both the activist and the media guy get blasted;
- in the second, both shoot an unarmed assailant;
- in the third, a semi-compliant subject has a hidden knife, but no one got shot
Both are completely surprised in scenario #1. Both hesitate to the point of suicide in scenario #2. The activist is seen on camera poking the crap out of the semi-compliant guy with his gun in scenario #3, behavior that is frowned upon by most Departments.
Amazingly, both come to the independent realization that control and compliance are the key elements to any encounter that a cop has with subjects on the street. Yet our Department has shied away from doing this sort of training for reporters, interested citizens, IPRA investigators, even loud mouth activists. Why?
Amazingly, both come to the independent realization that control and compliance are the key elements to any encounter that a cop has with subjects on the street. Yet our Department has shied away from doing this sort of training for reporters, interested citizens, IPRA investigators, even loud mouth activists. Why?
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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Bubbleheads went to arizona to do this training a couple years ago.
Take the top 10 biggest "activist" "reverends" and make them go through with that. Even that twink lover Pfleger would change his tune.
Seriously, someone who doesn't have their head up their ass at 35th and Michigan should do things like this. And it would be better than the "seized gun theater" that goes on periodically by the brass.
Why u ask???????? Because a it wouldn't get covered. And B it's costs too much to keep up our outdated machine
Nice story. I can't imagine reporters here doing this - Swan Lake and McCrappy Accent would put them on the permanent shit list.
--No Cop Here
This would be a lot cheaper than the overtime from a few protests and riots. Definitely better than police and innocent citizens getting hurt.
But then the demagogues and race-baiters might not be able to honestly gin up a mob and shake them down for money. And get their faces on TV.
I would have liked it if the scenario included the whole block emptying out after the shooting for realism
Because none of the aforementioned would report honestly, or change their preconceived notions.
Easy to bitch about what police should or should not. Granted there are some cops who just make bad decisions, but aside from that the majority make the right call. The public will never fully understand what we have to go through having not put on our shoes. The worse mental act a cop can do is second guess him/herself delaying action; could mean the difference between life and death.
That's a nice training vid. Probably funds keep from doing it here. If you don't attend - pay out of your pocket - classes then by all means go over in your mind what you would do in situations so that you are better prepared to react appropriately and quickly. Situational awareness.
Responding to a domestic on 3rd floor. What actions are you taking as you climb the stairs? Bitching about the call to the 3rd floor? Paying attentions to the stairs and landings ahead? What if you hear the door open as you are getting to it, just stairs away. Have you developed a mental response to meet contingencies? One example.
It is not enough to just hone your street skills when making traffic stops and street stops, but also those same skills for other assignments.
Case in point, Officers Raymond Kilroy and Gregory Hauser responding to a domestic, http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1991-05-08/news/9102100741_1_police-officers-officers-slayings-garage.
Case in point, Officer Lee R. Seward responding to a noise complaint, http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988-01-01/news/8803190093_1_police-officer-john-rogers-complaint,
Case in point, Officer Richard Francis responded to a disturbance on a CTA bus, http://abc7chicago.com/archive/6240518/.
Maricopa County Sheriff's Office?
Isn't that county run by the evil, racist Sheriff Joe Arpaio? The guy that is hated by the DOJ? A bigoted knuckledragger that believes in things like Law and Order and secure borders?
How could someone like that actually try to educate people and convince them to be open-minded? Eveyone knows that conservatives like him are too stupid!
The worst part is he was successful. That is unforgiveable.
The people in Chicago, St. Louis, New York, and all the other big cities are lucky that their leaders are too smart to try this. After all, It might work.
Why?
Cowardice, and the avid avoidance of enlightenment.
Running use of force scenarios/bull in the ring (60 seconds of hand to hand with single and multiple assailants... Complete with hard kicks, stomps, punches, elbows, head-butts, joint crushes, large limb manipulation etc) for local media, clergy, activists and the like would result in soiled pants, hurt feelings and a new found understanding for what goes on at ground level dealing with the hyper-violent goblins who dwell in the bloody shit-mud that is the West and South Sides of Chicago...
No easy-peasy...
Run these scenarios HARD so these people (and folks) who have jaw-jacked the most about what The Police should/shouldn't do and how hard they ought/ought not do it, will see and FEEL what it's like to walk in our shoes.
We imagine the gym instructors of old
would be grinning their asses off at the sight
(and sound) of Moperah, Steinberg, Brown, Zorn, Fr. Flakey and others being gently rubbed on in the gym...
Nah...
The truth would be a mind-fuck extraordinaire for these haters.
Sell tickets.
It would be the funniest
shit ever.
These idiots will forget what happened 10 minutes after they're through. The fact that they're shit starting "community activists" means the evil, racist police are guilty.
The last time I had this training was when Gary Schenkel was in charge at the academy. That was under Hilliard. Then he got fired, no more training from then on, not in-service, and back to shooting 30 rounds at non-moving paper targets once a year.
A guy I worked with is the officer the activist is referring to. The Phoenix officer shot and killed an unarmed drug dealer during a physical altercation in which the officer believed he felt the butt of a gun in the offenders pocket. Now he (activist) has a better understanding of use of force and the split second decisions we have to make.
Because those that used to work at the Academy (truly knew anything about training) are gone.
What we have at the Academy now are useless, egotistical supervisors and instructors.
I think this was a great idea by the sheriff and the news team. Outstanding, learn a bit of what we go through in real life, only much faster. It would have been better with a westsider playing a part
This is the interview a day after. Part 2.
Watch "Activist critical of police undergoes use of forc…" on YouTube
Activist critical of police undergoes use of forc…: http://youtu.be/pAJXP0okzwk
"...our Department has shied away from doing this sort of training for reporters, interested citizens, IPRA investigators, even loud mouth activists. Why?"
"Li-a-bil-i-tee," the Corporation Counsel will carefully pronounce. Someone might break a fingernail or something.
...as the city shovels out millions in "settlements" to vermin...
Come on fop...endorse some bullshit candidate already. How about someone who will dangle another carrot in front of us so the "veteran" dog asses can sell all the new hires out again, come contract time.
Must make you feel real good "old timer". Tell me your war stories again, and how you're looking out for me/us. Then go vote and sell us out behind our back again.
Why don't you vote for another retired cop to head the fop. next time vote for the active cop. He/she would have our best interest at hand.
For all the bloviating you dogs do, you sure screw yourselfs. Tell me how you're doing in 2016 when the new health insurance hits. Hope that big 5 gs was worth it. Hey, maybe you can get some advice from me 10gs ( another stroke) and double down this week.... On the hook.
Us new hires won't forget.
Yet our Department has shied away from doing this sort of training for reporters, interested citizens, IPRA investigators, even loud mouth activists. Why?
Because they know what the end result would be. They would all fuck up the scenarios and shoot every person.
"poking"?
LOL
M1 in Paris with a female, take hostages and are killing them. Is chicago ready for a situation like this, bc it's not if it's gonna happen, IT'S WHEN
Because these people would rather live a lie than face the truth. Koolaiders
There used to be a media day(s) at the academy. Snotty reporters got a few days there, watching & observing. The best part was watching them blasting away or getting kilt in the FATS room.
More than one went on the record saying try came away with a new and profound respect for what the streets offer to coppers
That's because Sheriff Joe has balls.
Not to mention, while poking the assailant with his gun, he has his finger on the trigger.
Hey SCC, check out this clip from an article in the Washington Post is talking about that Butt Dial Deblasio, but check out the number of cops in the graduating class……When was the last time CPD had that big of a class come through?
'
But the rift showed few signs of closing as the mayor was met by boos and hecklers during his speech, and a handful of people in the crowd turned their backs to him. For much of his address to the 884 graduates inside Madison Square Garden, the new officers and the rest of the audience remained largely silent."
I got a better scenario - I'll give two big liberals my handcuffs and tell them "try and put them on me and make it look pretty because the media cameras will be rolling" I guarantee - you will have to fu$& me up to get those cuffs on me - it's pure physics involving levers!!!
>>>>> 'I tried to shoot him in the shoulder..' <<<<<
Yeah, well that didn't work out too good now did it numb-nuts, the bad guy shot you.
(God, please protect us from the idiots who *learn* about guns from Hollywood).
I wonder how many coppers are going to get themselves in heat because of these cameras... But as cop see cop does, "hey during the fight, the camera broke" or better yet "Due to the circumstances of the fight, the officers camera was damaged" How many times is that going to go on paper. But I heard these cameras are made to where they are highly protected
I remember the days when range training was very good and was lucky to participate with in-service training on the simulator.
But it's more important to plant flowers and cover up the city with such perfume to reduce the smell of wide-spread Democrat corruption.
We are one of the biggest cities in the US our training should be elite, but instead it's a joke. We have no tactical training at all. They claim they trained us tactical training in the academy. What a joke the academy was I learned more on the street then I ever did In the academy. Sadly the academy should of given us a good base and that didn't happen. We have learned bad habits from other cops that we work with instead of consistent training and ongoing training. I see the city is pissing away our training money on other crap. Until one of us really get hurt and we put up a fight this will never change
Stay safe
Us new hires won't forget.
1/09/2015 03:18:00 AM
That's the problem with you new boots, you think you know everything, you need stfu for once and listen. You might actually learn something. In the old days before this blog (where you can come here and post anonymously) the new guys would run their mouth and get a knuckle sandwich from the likes of Danny Lukensmeyer, Rex Hayes or those that were a part of F troop and insane fish.
Media days at the Academy was done several times in the late 90's. Good results from people like Charles Thomas and others after the day at the Academy.Thomas said he learned more in the one day about the police and use of force than he had in his 25 previous years of reporting. Labor intensive and was limited to media types. All the folks that attended did a story about the event at the end of the day, but it faded into the sunset shortly there after. A number of suburban departments, Romeoville, etc, do a "citizens" police academy where people can attend. The hope is always that the so called "stake holders" of the community will attend to get some idea of what the police have to deal with on a daily basis. Stay safe!
Da Working Police welcomes Captain Pena to 025. The workers like her. The dogs hate her. I like how the working officers are taken care of.
It's funny that the reverend in that news story said that even though the scenario was "intense" he still wanted a "de-escalation of force" by the police when they approach situations. YET, in the scenario with the suspected auto burglar, this reverend had his gun drawn on an unarmed suspect. He says he wants one thing, while he does the very thing he does not want the police to do.
But I give him credit for trying to walk in our shoes. He still has a lot of learning to do though.
The problem with this is we DID try this in Chicago and it failed miserably. We had someone from ASA, IPRA, OPS
Go through a 3 scenario run and NONE of them failed. NONE of them shot a "no shoot"........this was after the copper running this program was telling them how "trained officers will fail this and you will see how after you do it speech". Well.......it didn't turn out as planned. Quite the opposite in fact. All 3 did excellent in ALL 3 scenarios and actually left the building with a bigger chip on their shoulder!!! Who knows, this is Chicago......maybe they had the "answers to the test"!
You need to make the Chris Rock video part of ghetto school training, it is so true and may be one of the best PSA offered to our minorities.
He said he shot because the offender "got in that zone". Based on that response he would have shot michael brown as well. Actually the guy he shot just approached him aggressively he didn't punch him or try to disarm him like Michael brown did.
Anonymous Disappointed said...
Come on fop...endorse some bullshit candidate already. How about someone who will dangle another carrot in front of us so the "veteran" dog asses can sell all the new hires out again, come contract time.
Must make you feel real good "old timer". Tell me your war stories again, and how you're looking out for me/us. Then go vote and sell us out behind our back again.
Why don't you vote for another retired cop to head the fop. next time vote for the active cop. He/she would have our best interest at hand.
For all the bloviating you dogs do, you sure screw yourselfs. Tell me how you're doing in 2016 when the new health insurance hits. Hope that big 5 gs was worth it. Hey, maybe you can get some advice from me 10gs ( another stroke) and double down this week.... On the hook.
Us new hires won't forget.
1/09/2015 03:18:00 AM
Another ungrateful college kid, but want to say thanks for paying my pension tell mommy you did good!
CPD's range warriors will run ours if we ever get one!
M1 in Paris with a female, take hostages and are killing them. Is chicago ready for a situation like this, bc it's not if it's gonna happen, IT'S WHEN
1/09/2015 07:50:00 AM
Is Chicago ready for a terrorist attack? Hell No. SWAT is undermanned, and under equipped. Leadership of SWAT has no clue and live in a bubble. Chain of Command from Sgt's, Lt, Commander, Deputy and Chief are Merit Hacks.
Lt MM and Sgt TL are useless and are more worried about making rank then building a SWAT team. No take home cars, little training and no training center.
Over the summer it was more important to do a Hug a Thug program then train. SWAT went over four months without shooting their rifles including snipers. The two armored vehicles are broken and are outdated. Our major cities have four to eight.
If that was too happen in Chicago you would see a very limited response by SWAT. The SWAT team is not allowed to answer their phones per G.O. after they leave work. This way the city doesn't have to pay D2 pay for being on call. There is zero coverage between 2 am to 6 am. The way the team is structured it will fail.
Many many police officers and citizens will die. Forget SWAT they are useless. Your best bet is to train and equip yourself.
Come on fop...endorse some bullshit candidate already. How about someone who will dangle another carrot in front of us so the "veteran" dog asses can sell all the new hires out again, come contract time.
Must make you feel real good "old timer". Tell me your war stories again, and how you're looking out for me/us. Then go vote and sell us out behind our back again.
Why don't you vote for another retired cop to head the fop. next time vote for the active cop. He/she would have our best interest at hand.
For all the bloviating you dogs do, you sure screw yourselfs. Tell me how you're doing in 2016 when the new health insurance hits. Hope that big 5 gs was worth it. Hey, maybe you can get some advice from me 10gs ( another stroke) and double down this week.... On the hook.
Us new hires won't forget.
Hey New Hire, I've got thirty on and I voted no, as did most of the other veterans (or as you phrase it "dog asses") did because we remember what the vets told us when we came on, which was to protect three things, your partner, your pension and your seniority. See, we don't need the piddly ass retro check, we were looking ahead to things like the health care. And, sorry to say, we were looking out for you younger guys that are going to have to deal with the furlough by watch (tried before and failed). I don't knock anyone for working special or even VRI, I know the bills have to be paid, nut rest assured those are the guys that voted for the contract because they got scared when they thought they were gonna lose all that retro. Oh yeah, and dont forget the threat of the "wellness program" too. That doesnt mean shit to us "dog asses" which is why we were willing to roll the dice with arbitration. Sometimes you have to take a stand. And yeah we got some war stories, the shit you could only dream about.
Now straighten out your baseball cap stupid and enjoy your full 2 furlough, you voted for it.
Your a punk
The Liberal Left has an agenda. Truth, Common Sense, and Reason are not part of their Agenda. Pushing the Liberal Agenda is the most important thing they do. Interesting story.
Can someone anyone please move 1070 out of the 010 District!? Im begging you!
M1 in Paris with a female, take hostages and are killing them. Is chicago ready for a situation like this, bc it's not if it's gonna happen, IT'S WHEN
1/09/2015 07:50:00 AM
Is Chicago ready for a terrorist attack? Hell No. SWAT is undermanned, and under equipped. Leadership of SWAT has no clue and live in a bubble. Chain of Command from Sgt's, Lt, Commander, Deputy and Chief are Merit Hacks.
Lt MM and Sgt TL are useless and are more worried about making rank then building a SWAT team. No take home cars, little training and no training center.
Over the summer it was more important to do a Hug a Thug program then train. SWAT went over four months without shooting their rifles including snipers. The two armored vehicles are broken and are outdated. Our major cities have four to eight.
If that was too happen in Chicago you would see a very limited response by SWAT. The SWAT team is not allowed to answer their phones per G.O. after they leave work. This way the city doesn't have to pay D2 pay for being on call. There is zero coverage between 2 am to 6 am. The way the team is structured it will fail.
Many many police officers and citizens will die. Forget SWAT they are useless. Your best bet is to train and equip yourself.
I'm on SWAT and it's true. Like the rest of the police department the Exempts don't give a fuck. They care about their pensions and salaries.
The Dept is so fucked up that they gave us Blackberrys and told us if we don't answer them when we are off we will be thrown off the team. How stupid are these bosses? There's a General Order that says we are not to answer the Blackberry when off duty. Now we are being told to answer the phones but we could get punished for it. ???? How fucked up is that? Keep your D-2 pay I'm leaving.
SWAT sucks. It's clout heavy bosses with wanna be SEAL pretty boys. That's why I have my own rifle and plenty of ammo. They don't show up for at least two hours. I don't give a damn if they don't have take home cars or not. They still suck.
No SWAT on duty from 0200 to 0600? No take home cars? No training? WTF! Pieces of shit armored vehicles? That is beyond negligent!! Whose in charge? I am a citizen who pays taxes. Where does all the money go? Can Chicago SWAT handle two simultaneous hostage sieges like in Paris? I'm thinking on moving my family out of this city.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There used to be a media day(s) at the academy. Snotty reporters got a few days there, watching & observing. The best part was watching them blasting away or getting kilt in the FATS room.
More than one went on the record saying try came away with a new and profound respect for what the streets offer to coppers
1/09/2015 08:09:00 AM
Yeah, I was there for a couple of those. I remember that liberal loser Eric Zorn pretty much sucked at everything. He then wrote a article the next day about his experience whining about how hard his job is and that the Police couldn't do his job. Such a waste of oxygen.
Anonymous said...
M1 in Paris with a female, take hostages and are killing them. Is chicago ready for a situation like this, bc it's not if it's gonna happen, IT'S WHEN
1/09/2015 07:50:00 AM
Is Chicago ready for a terrorist attack? Hell No. SWAT is undermanned, and under equipped. Leadership of SWAT has no clue and live in a bubble. Chain of Command from Sgt's, Lt, Commander, Deputy and Chief are Merit Hacks.
Lt MM and Sgt TL are useless and are more worried about making rank then building a SWAT team. No take home cars, little training and no training center.
Over the summer it was more important to do a Hug a Thug program then train. SWAT went over four months without shooting their rifles including snipers. The two armored vehicles are broken and are outdated. Our major cities have four to eight.
If that was too happen in Chicago you would see a very limited response by SWAT. The SWAT team is not allowed to answer their phones per G.O. after they leave work. This way the city doesn't have to pay D2 pay for being on call. There is zero coverage between 2 am to 6 am. The way the team is structured it will fail.
Many many police officers and citizens will die. Forget SWAT they are useless. Your best bet is to train and equip yourself.
1/09/2015 02:03:00 PM
We should just go back to the old days. 2 big old time wagon guys with revolvers who were pissed their lunch was interrupted. They ended many "hostage" situations in no time flat with usually no survivors.
If that was too happen in Chicago you would see a very limited response by SWAT. The SWAT team is not allowed to answer their phones per G.O. after they leave work. This way the city doesn't have to pay D2 pay for being on call. There is zero coverage between 2 am to 6 am. The way the team is structured it will fail.
Aren't there enough po's in SWAT to have them working 3 watches. Then there would always be SWAT members on the street to answer any emergencies.
Hell...
We would LOVE to show our "friends" in local media every fucking thing they don't want to know about having to figh for their life for a grand total of 60 seconds.
45 seconds of which will be them running around the gym screaming like 7 year old girls then 15 seconds of them curling up in the fetal position and shitting themselves when they find themselves looking through the ear hole of their headgear.
They'll see what the too old, too mean and too angry coppers have to endure on these streets.
Not LEO, but wanted to just say as i age, these "dog asses" don't come by that title by being stupid.
They should put cops through liberal training as well. Just do a bunch of water bongs of weed and walk around with your head up your ass criticizing everyone and thinking you're so superior to them. It's not as easy as it looks to be a constant douche bag.
I live in Phoenix now, and Fox 10 News is the only news I watch. Even in Phoenix most media is very liberal, but the local Fox station has a more conservative slant, just like the national Fox News. I guarantee that is why Fox 10 would do a story like this, and I'm glad they did it. Thanks to Sheriff Joe too!
(OT) SCC on a few threads coppers have been looking for link to contract don't know if it was located but here it is!
http://www.chicagofop.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Summary-of-FOP-Comprehensive-TA-9.10.14.pdf
multiple explosions, which were probably initiated by the HRT officers, begs the question of whether we are prepared for even a one-pronged attack let alone multiple ones...
SWAT, to their credit, train for many scenarios, but nothing really having to do with explosives being used by evil idiots hell bent on meeting Allah in a fiery mess taking as many officers with them as possible. To make matters worse, our bomb team is mostly ignored and receive nothing in terms of exempt support.
Best to stock up and start preparing...
Would this really make a difference?
You put the reverends and reporters through a 1-2 hour training and then they go through the course.
They will twist it around that we go through six months of intensive training, consisting of human behavior, verbal judo, defensive tactics, firearms, and the law. The reporters would do a fluff piece during sweeps week and the reverends would still march and carry on about racism. Reverends will still get their federal, state and local grants and we're easy targets for the press. We sell papers and increase tv viewing when they are trashing us.
This will only stop when the elected leaders decide enough is enough and unfortunately, from the president and attorney general on down to the local mayors and city councils - they will not speak up in our defense.
Stay safe everyone
Anonymous said...
Hell...
We would LOVE to show our "friends" in local media every fucking thing they don't want to know about having to figh for their life for a grand total of 60 seconds.
45 seconds of which will be them running around the gym screaming like 7 year old girls then 15 seconds of them curling up in the fetal position and shitting themselves when they find themselves looking through the ear hole of their headgear.
They'll see what the too old, too mean and too angry coppers have to endure on these streets.
1/09/2015 04:32:00 PM
How dare you talk about J-Fled like that! LOL
If that was too happen in Chicago you would see a very limited response by SWAT. The SWAT team is not allowed to answer their phones per G.O. after they leave work. This way the city doesn't have to pay D2 pay for being on call. There is zero coverage between 2 am to 6 am. The way the team is structured it will fail.
Ummm, if they can't answer the phone during off hours, WHY are we paying for phones?? Don't they have (encrypted) radios??
Why doesn't the National F.O.P. invite all the major networks to participate in these scenarios?
So let me get this straight....we are suppose to let these Persians slaughter millions. Yet, when a gangbanger points a gun and we shoot a few hundred thugs a year, cities will riot for days. Man, the guys drinking blood out of skulls must laugh at our wizard of oz world.
25-30 years ago one of the "News Magazine: shows ran a program called 'The National Deadly Force Test." Used a video trainer and ran non-police types thru the scenarios.
Some of the participants were admittedly very liberal and critical of the police.
It was a hoot! The liberals who lambasted the cops as trigger-happy were shooting everybody over anything.
This is an idea to run the local news media, IPRA, and the various "community activists" thru.
Make it a multi-part game show. If you survive all the shows without a criminal shooting or getting killed, you win $100,000.
Bad shooting and you are "fired" and "sent to prison, " kicked off the show.
"We are one of the biggest cities in the US our training should be elite, but instead it's a joke. We have no tactical training at all. "
In the 80s and 90s Calibre Press ran training seminars called Street Survival. 3 days on your own time and dime. But worth it.
Because you learned how pathetic your department training was.
Police departments train recruits to a State specified minumum hour requirement. They don't really teach you to survive because it is cheaper for them to bury you, pay the death benefit (covered by insurance) and reap the public sympathy than to have you defend yourself.
And police survival also included report writing to keep you free and wealthy and to handle the issues that arise from taking a life.
A lot of police officers' tactics are terrible. They do dumb things over and over. By surviving they think that that are really smart. But they were just lucky no one really wanted to kill them that day.
All this cry baby SWAT nonsense is awesome. Chicago doesn't need a swat team because unlike most cities Chicago still has some of the most fearless street copppurs who will rush in and handle crap. Hours before the swat team sits and talks to them for hours. Chicago is easily ready.
Part 3 questions and answers
Watch "LIVE: Q&A with Troy Hayden about Use of Force tra…" on YouTube
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I'd volunteer some of my favorite (sarcasm) reporters, Zorn and Steinberg,.... Love to see them participate in a few scenarios.
Anonymous said...
Come on fop...endorse some bullshit candidate already. How about someone who will dangle another carrot in front of us so the "veteran" dog asses can sell all the new hires out again, come contract time.
Must make you feel real good "old timer". Tell me your war stories again, and how you're looking out for me/us. Then go vote and sell us out behind our back again.
Why don't you vote for another retired cop to head the fop. next time vote for the active cop. He/she would have our best interest at hand.
For all the bloviating you dogs do, you sure screw yourselfs. Tell me how you're doing in 2016 when the new health insurance hits. Hope that big 5 gs was worth it. Hey, maybe you can get some advice from me 10gs ( another stroke) and double down this week.... On the hook.
Us new hires won't forget.
First of all FUCK YOU! How do you know anyone without slick sleeves voted for that contract? I didn't and I have time on the job. Far as being a dog ass & telling stories. Grow some balls, send some criminals to the joint not just 2 hours & a turkey sandwich in the back! I bet your just like all the other smart guys, took the money & failed to read! Your dad should have shot you on the sheet or in the dogs asshole!
swat, hrt, all for the clout babies..... Bring back the old days when the the beat cop handled the job and was usually 99!
Anonymous said...
(OT) SCC on a few threads coppers have been looking for link to contract don't know if it was located but here it is!
http://www.chicagofop.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Summary-of-FOP-Comprehensive-TA-9.10.14.pdf
1/09/2015 09:04:00 PM
thats not the contract dipshit
For whatever reason the establishment does not do much when it comes to standing up for the establishment, and that goes double for police officers.
Anonymous said...
M1 in Paris with a female, take hostages and are killing them. Is chicago ready for a situation like this, bc it's not if it's gonna happen, IT'S WHEN
1/09/2015 07:50:00 AM
Is Chicago ready for a terrorist attack? Hell No. SWAT is undermanned, and under equipped. Leadership of SWAT has no clue and live in a bubble. Chain of Command from Sgt's, Lt, Commander, Deputy and Chief are Merit Hacks.
Lt MM and Sgt TL are useless and are more worried about making rank then building a SWAT team. No take home cars, little training and no training center.
Over the summer it was more important to do a Hug a Thug program then train. SWAT went over four months without shooting their rifles including snipers. The two armored vehicles are broken and are outdated. Our major cities have four to eight.
If that was too happen in Chicago you would see a very limited response by SWAT. The SWAT team is not allowed to answer their phones per G.O. after they leave work. This way the city doesn't have to pay D2 pay for being on call. There is zero coverage between 2 am to 6 am. The way the team is structured it will fail.
Many many police officers and citizens will die. Forget SWAT they are useless. Your best bet is to train and equip yourself.
CPD will take care of business. There are still a bunch of guys who know how to and will take care of the situation. They will go in immmediately and end the problem. Having SWAT surround a building for hours and hours is not the answer. Maybe years ago when they also had the HBT teams but now they kill the hostages. Law enforcement learned there lesson at Columbine. Surrounded the building waited outside while the kids were getting killed.
On a side note years ago watched the HBT team sit on a building for long periods of time trying to make contact with the hostage taker only to find out building was empty. Happened more than once.
SWAT is fucked up because the leadership sucks. The guy in charge is a triple merit hack who has zero experience.
Agreed, SCC, this kind of experience should be offered in Chicago by CPD. The video alone is powerful, and a flesh-and-blood experience would be an eye opener and needed jolt to the system, for sure, for the vast majority of us who are not police officers. Granted, you'll never change the Father Pfleger types, but it would lead to a lot more understanding and support of frontline LEOs by the large majority of civilians.
Us new hires won't forget.
First of all FUCK YOU! How do you know anyone without slick sleeves voted for that contract? I didn't and I have time on the job. Far as being a dog ass & telling stories. Grow some balls, send some criminals to the joint not just 2 hours & a turkey sandwich in the back! I bet your just like all the other smart guys, took the money & failed to read! Your dad should have shot you on the sheet or in the dogs asshole!
First off, fuck you back. You ignorant, unintelligent asshole. You think using terms that I'm not supposed to know proves something? There a hell of a lot more "slick sleeves" who took the money because they don't give a shit. Cpd is very old, so don't try to act like the new guys voted for that garbage. The old fucks sold out the new guys because the look at what's in it for them. They'd screw the whole department over just to get their 6 grand. Don't worry though, the newer guys are going to vote while you're retiring. We'll see how voting goes them. I'll give you a little heads up jag off. You better max out Deffered comp now and start pricing out good Obama care plans for you and your family. Fuck you selfish pricks. Shit will come back to bite you in the ass. I'd bet you're from mountgreen wood with that quick wit. Do yourself a favor and enroll in college before 2016. Try to get some sort of education. Hopefully, some common sense will find you too, hard charger.
We imagine the gym instructors of old
would be grinning their asses off at the sight
(and sound) of Moperah, Steinberg, Brown, Zorn, Fr. Flakey and others being gently rubbed on in the gym...
Nah...
The truth would be a mind-fuck extraordinaire for these haters.
Sell tickets.
It would be the funniest
shit ever.
1/09/2015 12:55:00 AM
Oh yeah, those instructors would have them all crying. Jim Marsh, Morawski, Gus Tero, the female/1 who was in tip top shape with about 4% body fat and did vertical push-ups.
They took us on runs over to Taylor St area, through a park, in alleys, back and forth, in another alley, then one of the instructors, pre-hidden, popped out shooting blanks. They give a recruit a radio to call for help. First question: Where are you officer? Um, uh, um, the importance of knowing exactly where you were at all times was learned that second.
@ 1/10/2015 07:50:00 PM
Simulated vehicle stops in the Academy parking lot...
"Hey officer! How ya doin'?"
Huh?
>Pow! Pow! Pow! Pow! Pow! Pow!<
OHH!
SHIT!
"Ok boys and girls!
What went wrong with that stop?"
And THIS:
Drivers Licence please...
"Sure thing officer!"
>Grin!<
>CRACK! CRACK! CRACK!<
Hell fuckin' yeah that's rifle fire!
One instructor on the academy roof with a rifle loaded
with blanks...
Everybody was "dead" except for those who scattered for cover...
Oh yeah...
Do that shit now and see the current crop of metrosexuals complain about being frightened by the insensitive instructors.
Do they even actually make them fight to the point of blood being spilled anymore?
Or is that the brutal and savage way of the old "need to be fixed" CPD?
Anonymous said...
Da Working Police welcomes Captain Pena to 025. The workers like her. The dogs hate her. I like how the working officers are taken care of.
1/09/2015 09:47:00 AM
She came into 010 as a lieutenant and I don't think she made captain during the time she wrecked all the morale there. But McNumbnuts made a lot of McStakes. She didn't take good care of the midnight crew in 010 and lot of good people retired or left that watch.
Sheriff Joe invited Al Sharpton to come down and do the same thing. Al's people said they would get back to Sheriff Joe on that. LMAO like thats going to happen.
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