Wednesday, February 18, 2015

Blame Game

A bunch of points raised in the post about people missing the 10-1. Some good, some not so good, some just name calling, whatever. You want blame? Let's leave out the childish shit and use this as a learning experience.
  • #1 - The cops didn't put themselves down on a stop, because they were just going to pick up something at Walgreen's. We've all done it. Zip in, zip out, done. And they just stumbled into this. Bad set of circumstances;
  • #2 - GPS is no good unless the dispatcher knows what you're on. See #1 for why this didn't work;
  • #3 - Blaming the white shirts or even the other blue shirts. Really? The best thing a blue shirt could have done was stay off the air until it got sorted out. The only thing a white shirt may have done was order a logging of the cars. And we don't have a "playback" feature on the radios;
  • #4 - OEMC does have a playback on their consoles. We've seen it, we've seen it used, we've heard it when we call the zone for something and they play it back in their headset. The thing that Dispatch doesn't have anymore is the ability to see the Radio ID number that used to be transmitted when you un-keyed. Anyone remember that? "Radio 4444, you have an open key." You never hear that any more because it doesn't exist-  what asshole disabled that feature and why?
  • #5 - at 00:03 seconds you hear "10..." clear as a bell. That should have been the start of something bigger than what happened. Someone in authority should have insisted or dispatch should have summoned their supervisor;
  • #6 - at 00:26, "Walgreen's!" again, clear as daylight and.....nothing. How many Walgreen's could there be on the entire zone? Four? Eight? Might be worth sending cars to see what's up, especially as the job isn't on the board. If the GPS was functioning and the addresses geo-coded properly, dispatch may have been able to see what car was parked near a Walgreen's, shortening the response time;
  • #7 - Sorry Dispatchers, but if you can't hear the transmissions, you need to turn up the volume, get a new headset, get Radio Shop to adjust the antenna, clean out the ear canals, maybe see a doctor, adjust something. You are the lifeline, and if you can't hear us, then you're useless to us. Sorry, but that's just a fact.
In hindsight, firing might be a rush to judgement on our part, but tell us your blood wasn't boiling listening to the tape? Knowing these guys had already gotten their asses kicked, lost control of a gun, been fighting for three minutes believing that help was on the way? Yeah, we're more than a little pissed.

But listening to the tape, it's obvious that there needs to be some procedures instituted by either the Department or OEMC to (A) reinstate the radio numbers being visible to the dispatcher, (B) a way to keep track of those numbers to link it to a District, a Car or an Officer, (C) an established radio roll call to run through the active cars, (D) maybe a Panic Button on the radio.

Slow districts aren't always slow.

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87 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

VOTE Rham / McJersey and you'll get the 10.5 Hour Day and It will all go to HELL!!!

Imagine fightin for your life on the fourth day of 10.5 You wont have the strength or mental capacity to think and act straight

2/18/2015 12:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whats the deal with the radio numbers? It's like a secret. They don't call out the radio numbers on open keys anymore, but every now and then on zone 10 they will "mess up" and say "radio XXXX watch your key." Were the dispatchers told not to do that anymore? Trying to catch people playing on the radio? Maybe the assholes that cut off 1020 days ALL DAY? (you're gonna get someone hurt someday by doing that shit)

2/18/2015 12:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Only in Clouted Shitcago could we hire and promote the incompetent

Cant wait for European style terrorism

2/18/2015 12:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

#3 - Blaming the white shirts or even the other blue shirts. Really? The best thing a blue shirt could have done was stay off the air until it got sorted out. The only thing a white shirt may have done was order a logging of the cars. And we don't have a "playback" feature on the radios;

The White Shirt was asking for a search,
The Blue Shirt was asking the zone
for more information.
Supervisors used to be held to a higher standard, guess that went the way of the Beat Book.

2/18/2015 12:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

Anonymous Anonymous said...
To the poster at 8:16 on 16Feb-
You sir, are exactly what's wrong with this department. You sit there and try to minimize the dangers of this job while at the same time mocking those that do not. If you want to be the kind of copper that merely writes reports, goes to lunch and laughs at those that want to do a little more, then have at it but do not ridicule those that take their oath,their job seriously. You think those guys that carry extra mags or flashlights funny? Ask that copper that was in a shootout in Skokie a while back if a copper can ever carry too many mags. Or the guys in North Hollywood years ago. Aw shit, you don't even have to go that far. Ask some of your colleagues or old timers that have been involved in a shooting. Ask them how many mags they carry. Get your head screwed on right sir before it's too late.

God these officers are OK. To the person who said the streets are just like Falujha... hahahahahahaha. Thank you for your service but me and lot of other guys love seeing the super molly vest guys who think we are going to war everyday. I work in a "busy" district but 99 percent of the day is handing out nonsense reports. The rest is eating lunch and laughing at guys like you. Keep it up fella I'm sure your going to need those extra magazines, flashlights, and whatever nonsense you carry around. As always be safe.

hey joker...99% of these gear queers running around in all this extra gear and carrying rifles never went to war. If you did go once...twice..three or four times that's yearssss of lugging around gear and rifles. The last thing you want to do is carry more gear. Keep eating your lunch and keep your mouth shut

2/18/2015 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about that orange button actually being used for its intended purpose...an emergency button? How does every other law enforcement agency seem to be able to use it as such but we don't.

2/18/2015 12:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OEMC can tell which radio has an open key. I've heard it at least twice in the last month.

2/18/2015 01:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A panic button on the radio sounds like a good idea.

2/18/2015 01:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just think, If he had a camera, they might be able to get a picture of the guy that beat him.

2/18/2015 01:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone put the walgreen's guy in for an award for stepping in and helping the PO?

2/18/2015 01:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

012 can't hear UIC but UIC can hear 012. What sense does that make?

2/18/2015 03:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and fuck those asshole civilians who watched the fight and didn't even bother to call 911.

2/18/2015 03:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is why people should stop fucking around on the air!! I hear idiots all the time making comments, making noises, and playing shit off their phones or car radios. STOP FUCKING AROUND! It could get an officer seriously hurt or killed. I hear it on other zones. It's a safety issue IDIOTS! And when the sgts come on the air and ask for radio numbers of people fucking around....they are the bad guys.

2/18/2015 04:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another problem, which I think is bigger than the rest is, the 911 call system. Through a call taker, typed, categorized, read by dispatcher, then sent. If the calls go right to the console, that would have saved minutes. As heard from the tapes when the calls from the public start pouring in, only after the officers finally get the 10-1 out.
How many times have any of us had an on-view situation, then hear the zone tell us about the calls coming in...sometimes a good 7 to 10 minutes. THIS is the system that needs the overhaul.

2/18/2015 04:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually the dispatchers can still call out a radio number for an open key. We have THE BEST dispatchers on Zone 10 and that happened just last night. Talk to Lupe or Lyna on Zone 10 to get your facts straight

2/18/2015 05:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The numbers are visible. Zone called out my radio number on a new radio les then 2 weeks ago. No radio holster. Now the transmit button gets pushed whenever you adjust the radio or sit down in the squad because the button is not covered or protected. New radio antena are also to long

2/18/2015 05:39:00 AM  
Anonymous No College Tricky said...

"... to (A) reinstate the radio numbers being visible to the dispatcher,..."

Hahaha. On a lighter note, this reminds me of when JO JT aka 1130 3/W was finally able to have the dispatcher peg the radio # that had been ridiculing and mimicking him through the first half of a tour. He strutted into the station with his usual cat-that-ate-the-canary look that he gets when he thinks he's gonna jackpot someone. He just knew he had the culprit in the bag and would soon commence disciplinary proceedings. You could physically see the wind come out of his sails and his color go from pink to beet red when the radio log revealed the radio to be signed out to the WC. Ask Tricky about that and see what spin he tries to put on it. And then ask him about messages from unsecured PDTs. Aahhhhhhh, good times. It's nice to occasionally let some people know that there's always someone smarter than them. Right Tricky?

2/18/2015 05:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I spent 17 years as a Sgt on CPD. Let me be Mr Obvious here.

#1. Yes, this IS the reason why we are supposed to go down on the air when we are making a quick stop. I won't belabor this point because, as SCC pointed out, who HASN'T done this? But as an example, it may have helped.

#2. It's easy, in retrospect, to sit in complete silence and listen INTENTLY, to 3+ minutes of radio broadcast, when we already KNOW what will happen, and we KNOW there will be indications that cops are in distress on the radio. It is, however, totally different in 'real time' with all of the normal, everyday sounds and distractions. Let's be honest. NOBODY but the dispatcher picked up or even mentioned that they heard ANYTHING. How many times have we all heard a beat car come on the air and say, "squad, it sounded like someone was calling for help"! NOBODY heard it.

#3. Get your location on the air before anything else. Some comments yesterday addressed this. If I'm working the street and I hear a distressed voice yell "Clark and Catalpa" but nothing else, I and the troops, will be pouring in. Not blaming here, just stating fact. Maybe a good point for roll call training (which I'm sure has already occurred).

Hopefully these officers will be fine and able to return to work soon (or stretch out their stay on the medical for awhile).

I also hope some damn liberal judge doesn't 'sentence' this asshole to court supervision or some equally easy punishment where he hasn't learned a thing.

2/18/2015 05:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

#2 and #4 not true. Dispatcher used gps to find a tact car in 025 a month ago who was fighting a shithead and could only get their beat number over the air. We also still hear radio number call outs for open keys on zone 12.

2/18/2015 06:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I never understood why they put a GPS feature on squad cars instead of on the radio. With GPS on the radio you can track an officer, like we do all the time with cell phones after an Apple-picking.

2/18/2015 06:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Which one of you quarter backs stepped up and asked who had the
10-1? I heard your dispatcher ask several times if someone had an emergency out there, but I never once heard an officer key up and ask which unit was calling for help.






2/18/2015 06:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's use this as a learning experience, on both ends. Everyone went home, move on and make sure this doesn't happen again. The one thing I will say is we do need better radios, the one's we have are shit nothing but static and garble. The other point I would like to make is if there is a 10-1 or an in progress call, just go. I'm sick and tired of hearing dopes coming over the radio when information is still pending or coming out over the air, put me down on it, put me down on it, put me down on it, just fucking go already. They can figure out who's down on it when things settle.

2/18/2015 06:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I posted earlier, there is a panic button on radios used in Champaign County. It sets off a tone, keys the mike open for 10 seconds and then has to be reset by turning the radio off, then turning it back on. It gets hit by accident more than anything else, but you know its there.

But this is Chicago...everything must be on the cheap.

Police Officers lives do not matter ..............

2/18/2015 07:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've called a 10-1 once, and couldn't break thru the busy zone, those are very long, lonely, terrifyiny minutes...... Those radios do need panic buttons with GPS

2/18/2015 07:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The checks and procedures are mainly in place in order to discipline you. Your on your own every time you put on the clown suit. You had better be a strong and confident clown when everything goes to pot.

2/18/2015 07:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whats the deal with the radio numbers? It's like a secret. They don't call out the radio numbers on open keys anymore, but every now and then on zone 10 they will "mess up" and say "radio XXXX watch your key." Were the dispatchers told not to do that anymore? Trying to catch people playing on the radio? Maybe the assholes that cut off 1020 days ALL DAY? (you're gonna get someone hurt someday by doing that shit)

2/18/2015 12:24:00 AM

Hey idiot 1020 is going to be the one who gets a copper seriously hurt. Talks way to much on the radio about non sense just code the fucking job and that's it don't explain anything. Stay off the air as much as possible.

2/18/2015 07:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Which one of you quarter backs stepped up and asked who had the
10-1? I heard your dispatcher ask several times if someone had an emergency out there, but I never once heard an officer key up and ask which unit was calling for help.


Not the role of the policeman on the street... To have an entire watch keying up and asking which one of our fellow officers is calling for help would just clog up the air with traffic . In addition maybe some of the "quarter backers " didn't hear it because they were handling jobs engaging the public , in traffic ... Again not the role of the policeman . That's the role of the person sitting behind a desk wearing a headset. As a former dislarcher at oemc and a current policeman I feel comfortable in saying that the dispatcher messed up big time ! Thank God that we don't have three funerals to go to now because of some inadequate dispatcher. The street sergeants should have been notified . The dispatcher supervisor should have been notified . Cars should have been Rolling to all Walgreens on the zone while a radio roll call being performed . Whoever doesn't answer up gets their car pinged . Our Oemc employees some of the worst dispatchers I have heard or seen in my life . It's embaressing .



2/18/2015 08:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC. Just like the Fonz. Can't admit you were wr___.

2/18/2015 08:18:00 AM  
Anonymous We Are Anonymous said...

I would buy my own radio, if 1) It was mine 100% of the time, and 2) when I keyed up they had my info automatically and 3) the gps worked work in real time.

2/18/2015 08:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Michael Mette said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
VOTE Rham / McJersey and you'll get the 10.5 Hour Day and It will all go to HELL!!!

Imagine fightin for your life on the fourth day of 10.5 You wont have the strength or mental capacity to think and act straight

2/18/2015 12:19:00 AM

You apparently never worked the 10hr day. I did for 3 yrs, and I was never tired. You have no idea how refreshing that 3rd day off is each week. I understand the apprehension with change but this isn't the right change to be worried about. Trust me.

2/18/2015 08:28:00 AM  
Blogger SpankDaddy said...

Points well taken.

2/18/2015 08:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

reinstate the radio numbers being visible to the dispatcher........

you can thank capt coo coo ryczek for fucking that up.

thanks to him, they changed out the consoles to this HARRIS brand, that does less than half what the old motorola consoles did.

then the bureaucrats blow smoke up each others ass"s. "literally" to show how much money they saved with all the new crap compared to proven motorola brands.

the HARRIS company has paid for trips and dinners for these maggots who think they know how communications systems work.

2/18/2015 08:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The one thing *I* am taking out of this is that saying 10-1 once isn't enough. You can easily get stepped on, or missed. If you gotta call a 10-1, say it a bunch of times!

2/18/2015 08:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

#3 - Blaming the white shirts or even the other blue shirts. Really? The best thing a blue shirt could have done was stay off the air until it got sorted out. The only thing a white shirt may have done was order a logging of the cars. And we don't have a "playback" feature on the radios;



It sounded like the people on scene had vapor lock. No was info forthcoming.

2/18/2015 08:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate to be the one to say it but I will. The reason this turned clusterfuck is that neither officer was able to get on the radio and talk.

2/18/2015 08:45:00 AM  
Anonymous 11th Dist King said...

They need to show the video of the incident to ALL cops. Things can be learned form this in a positive manner.

Lets stop ripping on each other, all we have is each other out there. Plus I think every cop using an unauthorized radio should take 30 pending. Too many asshole using bs radios playing around. The air need to be clear for an emergency not playing around. Guys using off duty radios to play music, ringtones and games on duty. Someone can get killed out here.

And last thing use codes, we dont need a 2 min speech about your code of a dog barking.

1020/1070 please stay off the air with your 3 min speeches, PLEASE!!!!

2/18/2015 09:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Years ago when they 1st came out with radio identifiers, the ID only appeared when you released the key. We quickly learned to turn the radio off before releasing the key to avert being known. Childish to cut off supervisors? I guess. Dangerous? Very, very unlikely. Their blabbering away about nothing was more of a danger that cutting them out. They soon learned to STFU. Some assholes really deserved it and having them blow their stack out of frustration was hilarious to say the least.

2/18/2015 09:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Suburban Fire Dept's use what's called a PAR system ("Personnel Accountability Report") when they need to account for all firefighters/paramedics at the scene of a fire. I do not know what Chicago FD does.

2/18/2015 09:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We can all be arm chair quarterbacks and find blame on numerous people but isn't that what we complain the media does all the time. The best thing an officer can do when he is in trouble is give the location over and over on the radio. You waste time giving out anything else. We hear an officer in distress with an address and we are all going. I have sat in my car numerous times and heard 10-1 or officers giving their beat numbers and I am pissed because I have no idea where they are. Don't ever assume you were heard on the radio, keep calling for help until someone comes. Stay Safe

2/18/2015 09:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@0353:

I work near a college, different agency, but it's the same thing. They listen to our band and assist with our calls along their campus. They have to call our dispatch if they want an assist from us except on view of course.

2/18/2015 09:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about all the people using their own unregistered radios? How are we gonna find them if they neef help?

2/18/2015 10:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

About the radio roll call........


Anyone want to stop and think of how that blocks up the air????


I mean you can whistle through 25-50 cars but then everyone is talking on the zone and not likely the car that needs help.


Not the solution in a case like this.

2/18/2015 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Howard Beale said...

Fucking UPS and FedEx can find any one of their delivery trucks in a heartbeat but we can't locate who is screaming for help while fighting for their life! Fucking great. No profit margin in improving the radio systems for police officers in Chicago.

Better to spend $55 million bucks on an unneeded park for the fat ass dead wife of a former corrupt Mayor who should be in prison.

2/18/2015 10:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just yell your location into the radio, give the radio the second to go on the air and then give your location. Get the cavalry going first, explain it all after.

2/18/2015 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I work at 018 and I pray we never have a 10-1,Our radios dont work in half the large buildings,In Water tower place it doesnt work on any floor.

2/18/2015 10:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

VOTE Rham / McJersey and you'll get the 10.5 Hour Day and It will all go to HELL!!!

Imagine fightin for your life on the fourth day of 10.5 You wont have the strength or mental capacity to think and act straight

2/18/2015 12:19:00 AM


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Really? Wow, lots of soft coppers these days. Had plenty of fights on my 6th and sometimes 7th day or 8th day straight working.. You know, the times when we worked without a union or a contract... I'm sure your one of the bitter 13-20 year slugs on this job... U should be happy to have ten hour days if u get them. Nothing but spoiled rotten children on this job. The worst are the ones who came on from 96-2002.. Seems like the are some of the biggest whiners

2/18/2015 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's use this as a learning experience, on both ends. Everyone went home, move on and make sure this doesn't happen again. The one thing I will say is we do need better radios, the one's we have are shit nothing but static and garble. The other point I would like to make is if there is a 10-1 or an in progress call, just go. I'm sick and tired of hearing dopes coming over the radio when information is still pending or coming out over the air, put me down on it, put me down on it, put me down on it, just fucking go already. They can figure out who's down on it when things settle.

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Yes like the mope screaming update the info squawwwdd offender info direction of flight... Then the same moron is heard about 5 different times slowin it down yellin for ambulances etc. just shut up and go. It's just big mouth coppers wanting everyone to hear they are going and they came up with a bright idea of getting info of the offender because the know what they are doing and everyone else is stupid. Do u know what you do when responding to a ten 1? You go! You turn on your lights and siren and you leave your siren on the whole drive there so the coppers who are fighting can hear the sirens coming and the can hear the getting closer. Trust me, hearing the sirens blaring in the distance and getting louder and closer give a person hope, knows people are coming to help and gives a boost of adrenaline which can help in a fight. Stay off the air, when they are fighting they don't need to hear your voice just your siren. Don't play with the siren, don't shut it off for a second just throw it on and leave it on until u are on scene...... Then please shut it off.. Gets annoying if your standing there and it's blaring after he's in custody.

2/18/2015 10:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
That is why people should stop fucking around on the air!! I hear idiots all the time making comments, making noises, and playing shit off their phones or car radios. STOP FUCKING AROUND! It could get an officer seriously hurt or killed. I hear it on other zones. It's a safety issue IDIOTS! And when the sgts come on the air and ask for radio numbers of people fucking around....they are the bad guys.

2/18/2015 04:43:00 AM


Like those idiots on zone 12 and their club gibbons antics

2/18/2015 11:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
As I posted earlier, there is a panic button on radios used in Champaign County. It sets off a tone, keys the mike open for 10 seconds and then has to be reset by turning the radio off, then turning it back on. It gets hit by accident more than anything else, but you know its there.

But this is Chicago...everything must be on the cheap.

Police Officers lives do not matter ..............

2/18/2015 07:02:00 AM


So if I press my panic button, a tone in Champaign County goes off and keys the mike for 10 seconds?

What the hell good is that?

2/18/2015 12:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


***10.5 Hour Days Kills VRI and your life

Don't be sold on the So called Extra Days Off BS

Ya Got to VOTE for a new Mayor
Nothing like doing more with less

2/18/2015 01:13:00 PM  
Blogger SCC said...

Anonymous said...

SCC. Just like the Fonz. Can't admit you were wr___.

2/18/2015 08:18:00 AM


So let us get this straight....we're wrong because...why again? Oh yeah, YOU think we're wrong. Even though we backed every criticism with facts from the tape, facts from the reports, facts from people on the scene. And we admitted maybe we went a little overboard with calling for a firing instead of maybe some accountability. We even proposed solutions that could be implemented at minimal cost with existing equipment.

But we're wrong.

Okay there Sherlock.

2/18/2015 01:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dispatchers CLOUTED Idiots
Time to out source and save $$$$

2/18/2015 02:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Radio Usage
No Proper Training at The Academy

Another CLOUTED SPOT
See the pattern

2/18/2015 02:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure everyone feels bad whether they're to blame or not. Just Thank God All Mighty everyone is safe. I wasn't there so there is no way I can give an opinion but hopefully everyone can learn something here.

2/18/2015 02:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The numbers are visible. Zone called out my radio number on a new radio les then 2 weeks ago. No radio holster. Now the transmit button gets pushed whenever you adjust the radio or sit down in the squad because the button is not covered or protected. New radio antena are also to long

2/18/2015 05:39:00 AM

People like you are going to get officers killed. If I was your supervisor I would spar you for not putting your radio in some form of a radio holster or pouch. Radios do not belong in pockets. Antenna to long, are you kidding me, it's for better reception, you know so people can hear you when calling for help! And for the guy who continues to complain about the 10 hour days, bid out already! Everyone it's time to grow up!

2/18/2015 02:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and fuck those asshole civilians who watched the fight and didn't even bother to call 911.

2/18/2015 03:57:00 AM


They were too busy video taping it so they could put it on u-tube and show how brutal the coppers were.

2/18/2015 03:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bottom line is that the dispatcher didn't hear it and her partner didn't hear it. Then when the dispatcher heard "emergency" she asked the wrong set of cars. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out A) that no cars in that district start with 10 so someone may be calling a 10-1. B) if you have a multitude of cars at one job and no cars at that job say there is an emergency then there is someone else who has a freaking emergency. C) if someone screams out "Walgreens" why would you ask officers who are on a job that is NOT at a Walgreens if they need help. Common sense would tell you that it's another officer who needs help, and he's probably at a Walgreens.

2/18/2015 04:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The dispatcher did a good job. She obviously associated the short transmissions with the in custody job. Happens all the time. Partners communicate with each other in brief tramissions, then slow it down with the in custody. Dispatchers can't panic, and she never did.

You have to hold down the key and get out the full "10-1" even if you're in the fight. Even if you're being shot at. Even if you're dying. Otherwise, no one knows.

If they started randomly sending cars to all the Walgreens they may have very well sent many officers AWAY from the trouble. That is no solution.

You absolutely need to ALWAYS ALWAYS know exactly where you are at. This is a skill that was drilled into us, but not into anyone with less than 10 years. A watch commander back in the day used to ask us what direction we were facing when we were just standing in the station. No one on this job with under 10 years would ever answer that properly. Don't believe me? Try it.

2/18/2015 04:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Use the blame game all day long won't change anything. If you can't transmit (it's happened to me) in that instant, shit hits the fan, the fight is on any nobody knows.
Happened to me and a partner and officers were in front of the building talking. Not anyone's fault, we couldn't transmit. The officers didn't have esp. White shirts, blue shirts whatever color you want to blame isn't helping.

2/18/2015 05:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The entire radio dispatch system of the OEMC is outdated and mismanaged. First of all why double up Districts on a Zone? Is it not possible to have 2 emergencies in separate Districts occur at the same time? Or even multiple incidents such as the dreaded natural disaster?
God save us all from the corruption that steals from public safety.
Dump Rahm 2015.

2/18/2015 07:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You apparently never worked the 10hr day. I did for 3 yrs, and I was never tired. You have no idea how refreshing that 3rd day off is each week. I understand the apprehension with change but this isn't the right change to be worried about. Trust me.

Do TEll Where on CPD? Youre Soft and make no sense

Refresh This Mr.Dean

2/18/2015 07:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

08:03, I was once a dispatcher also, except I came from the south suburbs where there was 8 towns on our frequency. At that time, we didn't wear headsets, but we did monitor Main band, side band, ISPERN, fire radios, point to point, and pretty much paid attention to where other towns units were when idiot dispatchers were working. When the gang unit was out, you can bet I would have given my life to know where everyone of those and my guys were when they were in my area. Granted where you work and where I once worked are miles apart, and when it hit the fan, all hell breaks loose. But just for the sake of saying it, there had to be someone out there that had to have heard him go to the Walgreens. Not trying to argue with you, I just can't figure out why no one knew where he was.

2/18/2015 08:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget about the troopers out there
http://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/7/71/222952/lyons-man-charged-punching-state-trooper

2/18/2015 08:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
About the radio roll call........

Anyone want to stop and think of how that blocks up the air????

I mean you can whistle through 25-50 cars but then everyone is talking on the zone and not likely the car that needs help.

Not the solution in a case like this.

2/18/2015 10:14:00 AM


That is standard procedure when a car cannot be located. Dispatcher takes charge and rapidly goes through a roll call. It goes pretty quick and can at least show which district and beat the missing unit(s) are from. Then all available units converge on that district and beat and start a grid search.

It's been done before and is the only reasonable solution with the equipment we have.

2/18/2015 08:43:00 PM  
Anonymous 11th Dist King said...

You apparently never worked the 10hr day. I did for 3 yrs, and I was never tired. You have no idea how refreshing that 3rd day off is each week. I understand the apprehension with change but this isn't the right change to be worried about. Trust me.

Officer please tell me where you worked a 10.5 hour day? Was it in housing, TRU, or 20? Many of my friends worked in housing and in TRU. Most, not all had hour or more lunches got to work out did not answer radio calls, and some, yes some LEFT EARLY. So please dont tell me how you liked the 10 hour day working in a controlled environment. Lets see you work 10 hours in 004, 007 003 or 011. Late domestics, court next day, shootings at the end of the tour, maybe that crash with a DUI driver.

Just tell me please where you worked a 10 hour day please!!!

I dont wanna work 6 hours in 011, but 10 or more hours, not for me.

2/18/2015 08:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No reason PD/FD do not have the orange panic button or the rapid triple key emergency sequence on the radios and exact GPS location..(oh wait yes there is, it cost too much, and it shouldnt matter how many times a day these will get accidentally hit)...when things go to total shit you might not have the presence of mind or the physical ability to get in a clear 10-1 or Mayday as you try to stay alive (as heard multiple times nationwide.) Ever been in one or at an incident when it goes down? Screaming, total confusion and we cant ballbust the guy calling it for not being more clear because he is in a state of mind that fucks up logical thought.
Coppers fault for not maintaining situational awareness? I heard Clark and Catalpa pretty clear. Walgreens on Clark gets a pass
Dispatcher fault? 10? and Walgreens could have been an open key with loud background babble, at least she had the forthought to hear something that perked her ears.
Citys fault for not giving us a radio with features that can save our lives? 100%!!!

2/18/2015 10:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you don't put yourself down on the radio, and you vet into an accident, the city may or cover you.

2/18/2015 10:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
As I posted earlier, there is a panic button on radios used in Champaign County. It sets off a tone, keys the mike open for 10 seconds and then has to be reset by turning the radio off, then turning it back on. It gets hit by accident more than anything else, but you know its there.

But this is Chicago...everything must be on the cheap.

Police Officers lives do not matter ..............

2/18/2015 07:02:00 AM


So if I press my panic button, a tone in Champaign County goes off and keys the mike for 10 seconds?

What the hell good is that?

2/18/2015 12:03:00 PM

It lets other officers and dispatchers know what's going on around the radio being keyed and if your under duress and can't say what you need to say everyone else will hear what's going on

2/18/2015 11:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



So if I press my panic button, a tone in Champaign County goes off and keys the mike for 10 seconds?

What the hell good is that?

2/18/2015 12:03:00 PM

It lets other officers and dispatchers know what's going on around the radio being keyed and if your under duress and can't say what you need to say everyone else will hear what's going on

2/18/2015 11:19:00 PM


I was being dumb sarcastic like.

2/19/2015 12:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This day and age what you may not have run into in the past you may run in today,these desperate times for criminals make it more likely for the police to stumble upon stuff that in your normal course of the day may turn...as Mike Tyson would say into a quagmire!

2/19/2015 04:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nonymous said...
and fuck those asshole civilians who watched the fight and didn't even bother to call 911.

2/18/2015 03:57:00 AM


They were too busy video taping it so they could put it on u-tube and show how brutal the coppers were.

2/18/2015 03:59:00 PM

Honest question from a civilian... Should I ever find myself in a position to help how do I identify myself to the officers needing help as well as the responding ones that arrive during the scrum so as to clarify that I am there to help, not the bad guy. I would imagine that all responding officers would immediately and rightfully so want to get anyone who isn't CPD the hell away from the officers who called for assistance. I have no problem jumping in if someone's life is in danger, just don't want to get taserd or what not because you all have no idea who I am or what my role is in the fight.

2/19/2015 05:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Citizen here - you need to get this out to the media, can we help? If the media wants to do a story on your situation do they know how to find the right people to talk to? The world is so upside down, lots of us support you and are so sorry the mass majority is stupid and Godless. Chicago should be named SAM all smoke and mirrors BULLoney!

2/19/2015 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a lieutenant on the watch and a former Tact Lt I always tried to explain to my people to call for help in this manner: Beat#, location, 10-1. If you're on a job the beat # will tell dispatch where you are and that is reinforced by your location if the beat# is cut out. Then say 10-1. You to say nothing else because the cavalry will be coming. You can roll play the transmission in your head: "2612, Loomis and Jackson, 10-1."

2/19/2015 09:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey joker...99% of these gear queers running around in all this extra gear and carrying rifles never went to war. If you did go once...twice..three or four times that's yearssss of lugging around gear and rifles. The last thing you want to do is carry more gear. Keep eating your lunch and keep your mouth shut.

so what are you you saying? we shouldn't carry rifles or other gear just "in case"? to the sandbox veteran or whatever you are, even if you were in the military, your an idiot and go fuck yourself....

2/19/2015 10:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
and fuck those asshole civilians who watched the fight and didn't even bother to call 911.

2/18/2015 03:57:00 AM


They were too busy video taping it so they could put it on u-tube and show how brutal the coppers were.


fuck the public, ive said it before, the public/citizenry are NOT your friends. do your job and treat EVERYONE like they might kill you or sue you. EVERYONE.

2/19/2015 10:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
What about all the people using their own unregistered radios? How are we gonna find them if they neef help?

2/18/2015 10:13:00 AM

Yeah, all ten of 'em. If they choose to go off the grid, then they can't be located, too bad.

2/19/2015 12:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

 Anonymous said...

hey joker...99% of these gear queers running around in all this extra gear and carrying rifles never went to war. If you did go once...twice..three or four times that's yearssss of lugging around gear and rifles. The last thing you want to do is carry more gear. Keep eating your lunch and keep your mouth shut.

so what are you you saying? we shouldn't carry rifles or other gear just "in case"? to the sandbox veteran or whatever you are, even if you were in the military, your an idiot and go fuck yourself....

2/19/2015 10:41:00 AM

I say you need to be "trained" to carry a rifle, not just qualified in the chicago way. We have pathetic training and our tactics are a joke compared to other major departments. Just in case you say? You are a liar. Just in case what? Active shooter? Terrorist attack? STFU! We don't have the training nor the equipment to deal with that. You just play call of duty and wish you were them. You go fuck yourself rambo.

2/19/2015 05:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Listens up this new schedule is a 10.5 hr day not a 10 hr day from awhile back. This schedule eliminates 3 rd watch and you either work days or midnights , that's it....so basically if you have 2-8 yrs on the job you will be on midnights for 10-15 yrs..... So enjoy that extra day off every 3rd week.....

2/19/2015 05:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The way that we handle these situations at the academy is by learning from and building on the experience.

This situation could have been prevented if the officers exercised better tactics and radio communication skills.

Stick to your training and be the police.

2/19/2015 05:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm going to make this short and to the point. I just went into the Walgreens where the 10-1 took place to thank the manager for what he did. He told me as soon as the fight started, which he said was bad by the way,he called 911 to let them know these officers need help now. The call taker said there were already two officers there. I spoke to the checkout girl who said she called 911. The manager said he called again but nothing was EVER put out over the radio. This is beyond unexeptable ... Also this guy has a broken rib and badly injured knee. He was still obviously shaken up. What the f#$& is going on?

2/19/2015 09:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Training or not, equipment or not, you WILL be dealing with it....I'd rather deal with it as a "gear queer" and Rambo with my rifle and some training, Than as a useless ineffective loser like you. I'm sure the troops can't wait to see you coming to back them up. Go fuck yourself. I'll do fine without you.



2/19/2015 11:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm going to make this short and to the point. I just went into the Walgreens where the 10-1 took place to thank the manager for what he did. He told me as soon as the fight started, which he said was bad by the way,he called 911 to let them know these officers need help now. The call taker said there were already two officers there. I spoke to the checkout girl who said she called 911. The manager said he called again but nothing was EVER put out over the radio. This is beyond unexeptable ... Also this guy has a broken rib and badly injured knee. He was still obviously shaken up. What the f#$& is going on?

2/19/2015 09:47:00 PM


It is possible the manager didn't get the magic words across to the dispatcher in a timely manner: "Officer needs assistance NOW!"

2/20/2015 04:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I worked in county for almost 2 years. Their radios have an orange button that when pressed would automatically open key so you can have both hands free for I believe 30 seconds, everyone on same channel would have their radios beeping stating emergency on the screen with division showing. I've seen it work personally and response was quick.

2/20/2015 06:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a lieutenant on the watch and a former Tact Lt I always tried to explain to my people to call for help in this manner: Beat#, location, 10-1. If you're on a job the beat # will tell dispatch where you are and that is reinforced by your location if the beat# is cut out. Then say 10-1. You to say nothing else because the cavalry will be coming. You can roll play the transmission in your head: "2612, Loomis and Jackson, 10-1."

Wrong lieutenant, get the streets out FIRST, that might be ALL you get out. Just the fact that you preface your statement with you being a lieutenant and TACT guy doesn't buy you any extra knowledge or experience, just tells people that you think you know something. Wrong again. 90% of the white shirts or tac guys I've come across in my decades on this job don't know shit about safety,tactics,survival,shooting,etc.STREETS FIRST!!!


2/20/2015 07:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a lieutenant on the watch and a former Tact Lt I always tried to explain to my people to call for help in this manner: Beat#, location, 10-1. If you're on a job the beat # will tell dispatch where you are and that is reinforced by your location if the beat# is cut out. Then say 10-1. You to say nothing else because the cavalry will be coming. You can roll play the transmission in your head: "2612, Loomis and Jackson, 10-1."

2/19/2015 09:07:00 AM
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ya, why even bother with the bt#? just spit out the location and the 10-1

same with flash messages these guys put out. they always give the description and end with "fled from" "this location"


Nobody knows your location except the dispatcher and you,and the dispatcher never repeats is. Always repeat your location we can't listen to every muttering over the radio and we usually don't know where youre at

2/20/2015 07:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
and fuck those asshole civilians who watched the fight and didn't even bother to call 911.

2/18/2015 03:57:00 AM


They were too busy video taping it so they could put it on u-tube and show how brutal the coppers were.


fuck the public, ive said it before, the public/citizenry are NOT your friends. do your job and treat EVERYONE like they might kill you or sue you. EVERYONE.

2/19/2015 10:44:00 AM

CHILL OUT FRANCIS! I was there on the scene. Several citizens did in fact call 911 to report that the police needed help. Two (the Walgreens manager and a civilian shopping with his wife) physically intervened and helped the officers. Good people. Spent the entire night at Area North talking to the ASA's. That's why we do the job.

2/21/2015 07:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe Wilson, Hendon & Cocopuffs get panic attacks to the 1967 "Mannix" theme. Especially with the computerized service.

2/21/2015 08:10:00 PM  

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