That Use of Force Update
General Order 03-02-03, Section III-E has been updated as follows:
- (Use of firearms in the following ways is prohibited) Firing at or into a moving vehicle when the vehicle is the only force used against the sworn member or another person.
This part follows:
- Sworn members will not unreasonably endanger themselves or another person to conform to the restrictions of this directive.
That's it. We're pretty sure there used to be a section in there saying that if it was possible for the officer to move out of the way, that was required.
We'd like to see the old directive to see what exactly changed. And it must have been something, because the PBPA is not happy and raising questions - we got this from a e-mailer who culled it from the President of the Chicago Police Sergeants Association:
We'd like to see the old directive to see what exactly changed. And it must have been something, because the PBPA is not happy and raising questions - we got this from a e-mailer who culled it from the President of the Chicago Police Sergeants Association:
- MLAS [has been contacted regarding] our objection to the change as it contradicts the department's protection of life policy as well as the use of force model. The addition of this prohibition even contradicts the very next sentence in the order that states sworn members will not unreasonably endanger themselves or another person to conform to the restrictions of this directive.
The letter goes on to say that the sergeants are meeting with their counterparts in the lieutenant and captain associations to address this rewriting of the order without input from the officers it regulates.
Is the FOP going to hop on board after the white shirts do the heavy lifting or what?
Is the FOP going to hop on board after the white shirts do the heavy lifting or what?
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
71 Comments:
Beware those Kung Fu Fighters.
"Sworn members will not unreasonably endanger themselves or another person to conform to the restrictions of this directive."
Of this you can be sure, my man.
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Pretty soon it's going to say we can't shoot until being shot at first... Man this department is going town time toilet faster than my deuce!
Does the endangering is clause count for person with gun calls!!?! Wtf this order is BS
Nice to see the white shirt union do a little pro-active work.
I think 3 unions can handle 1 general order.
FOP needs to worry about pension legislation.
Per G03-02-03, 23 September 2002
Section II B:
firing at or into a moving vehicle is only authorized to prevent death or great bodily harm to the sworn member or another person. When confronted with an oncoming vehicle and that vehicle is the only force used against them, sworn members will move out of the way.
This is the department trying to cover the city's ass and put everything on the coppers. Just like all the other orders.
I thought I smelled bullshit when this was read at roll call.
This is organized chaos!
Do you really think Dean, yes sir Rahm, Angelo would get involved in this? C'mon really?
Deano will hop on anything as long as it meets his agenda.
I had to read it twice. So if we pull up to a domestic and someone guy/gal is ramming their car into someone's car or trying to run someone over we are to do nothing? LOL. This job just wants us to do nothing anymore. It's fine. I already do nothing. So nothing X 2 is still nothing. I'm so done.
This current FOP Admin has been very quiet on many issues.
Hey Dean & Co, it is your job to stand up for the rank and file.
Please start to speak out in our favor.
Ignorant politicians at the urging of socialist agitator community organizers are behind this attempt to endanger police officers whose lives are threatened by criminals attempting to run them down.
When will you people learn how dangerous those socialist scum are to America. If you still vote democrat, you are a traitor.
Alert New 10 Hour Work in 5 Dist means No VRI!!!!
Tell FLOP to stuff it
DeaNo Silent!!!!!
After Election of Rham Will be All on the New 10 Hour Schedule for Summer
What a good way to encourage people to run over cops!
FLOP is Useless
White shirts do the heavy lifting?!?!?! You mean like when they tried to get that contract that had pension givebacks for EVERYONE?
Makes sense.
As far as I can tell, there is no real difference between the old order and the new. This may well just be another PR stunt (re-word, re-name), very TQM style (read as: has no actual effect, but looks like someone cares).
Nahhhhhh
Doctor Dean is still trying to figure out a way to make u like the 10 hour days
Jim Ade is full of shit. He's trying to deflect from his incredibly stupid decision to endorse Fioretti instead of staying neutral.
Wow. LT KJ is single handedly ruining second watch in 011. Please leave soon and take your suckholes with you.
When you have spent the last ten years scamming disability from our fund, why would you care about a silly old order that endangers us.
Jump like Bruce Lee 15 feet in the air to avoid the car trying to kill you.
Go home to your family. Shoot if you have to. Nuff said !
The department really likes he 10 hours day from their end. I know a lot of coppers might like it but there is now talk of speeding up its implementation to other districts early this summer. J
(OLD WORDING)
3. Firing at or into a moving vehicle is authorized to prevent death or great bodily harm to the Officer or another person. When confronted with an oncoming vehicle and that vehicle is the only force used against them, Officer's will move out of vehicle's path.
III. Officers will not unreasonably endanger themselves or another person to conform to the restrictions of this order or directive.
If you shoot at a person driving a car and no gun is recovered, the FBI will open an investigation on you, your partner, and every CR number you've received.
The FBI will do what they can to put you in prison for the shooting or for any prior incident.
The City is aware of these investigations. After you go to a federal prison, the City doesn't want to lose millions in the lawsuit, so the City changed the GO and can now argue that you were a rogue officer who violated the rules.
This rule change came straight from Corp Council, not McCarthy.
Who cares anymore? The entire system has now placed the criminal 10 feet higher than PO's.
You can point the finger at any of a thousand people, but the reality is only a small fraction of society is honorable and cares about patriotism to America.
It's called NWO orchestration.
Do what you have to do to go home safe at the end of the day. Act on your instincts but that doesn't mean you can leave your intellect out of the equation either. They brain acts amazingly fast. You can do a gut check also.
Stay safe.
These are best minds are chosen by the Supt, many of the meritorious, prodded up the Dept ladder to solve the city's biggest problem.
Simple fix...Dump Rahm, get a new Superintendent.
It won't alter the cycle of urban violence but the change is going to make you feel good, if only for a month or two, someone has to be responsible for 011,015, 025 and all the others dealing with bad management.
- Dump Rahm 2015.
How do you know if FOP has not contacted MLAS
12.27 am,,,,some cities out in OR and CA have grandstanding politicians proposing just that
Mcnitwit has been wanting to change the order for a while, but met stiff resistance from the assistant director of research and development. His solution was to promote a sergeant from chief tracey's office to director of research and development and poof! The order was changed that day.
He would rather be politically insulated than have some officer second guess himself on the street and end up dead. Fuck these New York clowns.
After moving out of the way ,may you shoot a fleeing felon,who just tried to run you over!
[White shirts do the heavy lifting?!?!?! You mean like when they tried to get that contract that had pension givebacks for EVERYONE?]
You mean the givebacks that the sergeants voted DOWN, thereby saving the sergeants from themselves and everyone else from having to fight what might have become "established precedent?"
You're welcome by the way. We aren't as stupid as you might think, or as stupid as DeanO obviously is.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Jim Ade is full of shit. He's trying to deflect from his incredibly stupid decision to endorse Fioretti instead of staying neutral.
2/16/2015 08:48:00 AM
Yes, terrible decision. Why would the police sergeants endorse the only candidate who defends our pensions, who says he'll use TIF money to make the balloon pension payment, the only one who hasn't touted the hands up don't shoot motto? He's against the cameras and for the police, and plans to dump McJersey, but don't endorse him, for God's sake!
Doesn't the law trump the general order? Fleeing Felon? Anyone??
There are some serious implications here. This needs to be on everyone's mind.
The only time I'm ever out of my cruiser is when im walking into the station for check off.
I'm sure Dean already back doored the 10 hour day before the contract was ratified. I was there when he said it was a good thing.
This is very clear, it puts the burden of proof on the officer and clears the city. It allows the city to throw the officer under the bus after being attacked with a car. It puts all the liability on the officer. While that is pretty much the case all the time, this gives the city the opportunity to not indemnify the officer should he be put in the position to use deadly force against an assailant driving a vehicle.
Officer gets hit by the vehicle, this wording eliminates the possibility of the officers family successfully suing the city over an order that put the officer at risk by not allowing him to defend himself against a threat. The city's claim?? "we told them not to unreasonably endanger themselves.."
Officer fires at the vehicle wounding or killing his assailant? The city will claim he did not follow the department policies. Officer has a major uphill battle to prove that it was reasonable to operate outside the authorized use of force. This increases the likely-hood of punitive damages and even criminal charges against the officer.
It's simple you young guns you get out of the way of the car. You are never trapped where you have to shoot into a car unless it's a narrow alley which it never is. We all learned this in training. This isn't the movies where you unload into the car same as you can't shoot through walls or doors
FOP needs to worry about pension legislation.
2/16/2015 12:43:00 AM
And making sure VRI continues.
Simple solution. Stop proactive policing. Start using your heads boys and girls. You are always one traffic stop or radio call away from: 1) Losing your job, pension etc.
2) Being sued
3) Sent to prison by a liberal society who doesn't believe anything you say.
Give them the society and police force they want.
OFF TOPIC: Maybe worth a post as it is really outrageous and could happen here with McNubnuts in charge.
From POLICE MAGAZINE ON-LINE
Demonstrators there defaced their memorial to Fallen Denver Police Officers and were ordered by their chief to do nothing.
Is our Memorial GUARDED? That means armed human inn close presence human 24/7 not watched by a Daley/Vaneko video camera.
Out- fucking <#> @*#@
http://www.policemag.com/videos/channel/patrol/2015/02/union-demands-denver-chief-resign-after-ordering-officers-to-allow-fallen-officer-memorial-to-be-de.aspx
My reply:
My reply:
That was outrageous that a law enforcement chief would allow that. What's next? Would he allow that at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at Arlington National Cemetery?
There was another video I was sent where ISIS invaded a World War II British Memorial Cemetery in Libya. It showed groups that had defecated on soldiers gravestones then rallied as they smashed and pushed them over.
What is next for them? Will gangs from ISIS or sympathetic to Muslim extremists now invade the American Cemetery overlooking Omaha Beach or outside Bastogne Belgium and do the same thing?
Will Obama demand these countries or our own embassies increase the security to the point of using force to defend these sacred sites?
This is what happens when the votes of such (fill-in-the blank) are more important that the votes and welfare of their police officers.
(OT) And the race of the "rioters" is? The activities of lawlessness are everywhere!
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/02/gunfire-erupts-as-nearly-1000-teens-some-armed-storm-movie-theater-loot-gas-station-in-florida/
Have a friend a grade school teacher,he told many parents (liberal white parents) want to organize a protest against the police for the thug in ferguson and march from the school to the police station! What are we teaching kids at such a young age? Depoliticizing is what they want unfortunate!
If you are questioned why you shot at a moving car, just respond to every question with the following, "Sworn members will not unreasonably endanger themselves or another person to conform to the restrictions of this directive."
Why is anyone still trying to make arrest. Answer your calls and that's it. No traffic stops no contact cards no one baggers. Go home!
Jesus SCC, Dean would have to have a clue before he would get into policy. HE DOESN'T
They couldn't care less about us. Their main goal is pandering to and appeasing the "I can't breathe" and "Hands up don't shoot" crowd.
What about fleeing felon? Just wave?
Laugh at the sergeants association guy about the pension. He will look good by 2018. For the youngsters, you will wish that proposal came true.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If you shoot at a person driving a car and no gun is recovered, the FBI will open an investigation on you, your partner, and every CR number you've received.
The FBI will do what they can to put you in prison for the shooting or for any prior incident.
The City is aware of these investigations. After you go to a federal prison, the City doesn't want to lose millions in the lawsuit, so the City changed the GO and can now argue that you were a rogue officer who violated the rules.
This rule change came straight from Corp Council, not McCarthy.
2/16/2015 10:14:00 AM
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You really believe that? If I shoot up a car and I'm in the wrong you think the city is going to be off the hook?
You're fucking nuts.
Fop to busy getting ready to give McCarty a bath
Fuck it. do what u got to do and let the detectives handle the rest. Go home safe.
10 hour day sucks here in 005.
You don't want this.
Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.
Just put another DVD in.
Can't change to,the 10.5 hr day till next yr at earliest because of contractual protected watch bids , furlos already picked etc.... I'm not saying the city doesn't want to do this and cut 2,000 police officer positions all the while FOP is out to lunch on our dime. But I can see this happening soon. Remember boys and girls if your on 3rd watch now you will be on 1watch next yr, count on it with the 40-60 split. I'm still waiting for fop to explain why on earth any of them would put into the contract purchasing vehicles as a collective bargaining issue. This is an indicator of an epic fail on the entire fop leadership. This time next yr you'll all be working midnights, 5 days straight, no CU, burning 10.5 hrs of time for 1 day off if you get it approved, no time for wife, family, or your side job and driving around a beater of a squad all the while the chosen few are on SS DOG, 8.5 hr day living a normal life. And that faint laughing you hear in the background is fop leadership, slapping themselves on the back for the BS they shoveled and you believed .....
Can't for the life of me figure out why so many po's are against this order. There is no reason why you can't move out of the way of a moving vehicle. What if you fire into the vehicle and you shoot somebody other than the driver, you're going to be sued and if you hit the car and not any people, then you can be sued for criminal damage to property. I'm a ppo in a south side district so my understanding of the law is a lot fresher than those of you who have been out of the academy for a while. If we didn't have so many trigger happy po's than the department would not have put this order out.
FOP needs to worry about pension legislation.
2/16/2015 12:43:00 AM
And making sure VRI continues.
***10.5 Hour Days Kills VRI and your life
Don't be sold on the So called Extra Days Off BS
Can't change to,the 10.5 hr day till next yr at earliest because of contractual protected watch bids , furlos already picked etc.... I'm not saying the city doesn't want to do this and cut 2,000 police officer positions all the while FOP is out to lunch on our dime. But I can see this happening soon. Remember boys and girls if your on 3rd watch now you will be on 1watch next yr, count on it with the 40-60 split. I'm still waiting for fop to explain why on earth any of them would put into the contract purchasing vehicles as a collective bargaining issue. This is an indicator of an epic fail on the entire fop leadership. This time next yr you'll all be working midnights, 5 days straight, no CU, burning 10.5 hrs of time for 1 day off if you get it approved, no time for wife, family, or your side job and driving around a beater of a squad all the while the chosen few are on SS DOG, 8.5 hr day living a normal life. And that faint laughing you hear in the background is fop leadership, slapping themselves on the back for the BS they shoveled and you believed .....
**********************************VOTE No for Rahm And McJersey and Stop 10,5 Hour Days
"Will Obama demand these countries or our own embassies increase the security to the point of using force to defend these sacred sites?"
Thousands of Military Cemeteries throughout the World, it will be a hell of Job trying the ensure the security of all of them. When you simmer down & come back to reality you may want to rethink your position.
Anonymous said...
The only time I'm ever out of my cruiser is when im walking into the station for check off.
2/16/2015 01:20:00 PM
Hey, troll. It's a squad, not a cruiser.
So if a guy tries to stab me with a six inch steak knife I can shoot him. If that same guy jumps in a 4000 lb. car and tries to run me, my partner and anybody else on the sidewalk down I can't shoot him.
Makes perfect sense. Good thing they put that down on paper for all the lawyers that want to sue the city.
Anonymous said...
Mcnitwit has been wanting to change the order for a while, but met stiff resistance from the assistant director of research and development. His solution was to promote a sergeant from chief tracey's office to director of research and development and poof! The order was changed that day.
He would rather be politically insulated than have some officer second guess himself on the street and end up dead. Fuck these New York clowns.
2/16/2015 12:02:00 PM
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This is true.
K D-C is now the head of R&D
She's been a house mouse most of her career.
And, she also now has that ghostpayroller Admin. Mgr. from the Academy working for her.
Or should I say, NOT working for her.
Because the ghostpayroller has missed almost a week of work in the three weeks she's been assigned there!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Jim Ade is full of shit. He's trying to deflect from his incredibly stupid decision to endorse Fioretti instead of staying neutral.
2/16/2015 08:48:00 AM
Get off the Blog twinkletoes.
Car bomb???????????
My ISP son was murdered by a wanted person aiming the car at him in 1986. He did what the orders specified; ie, stand and aim weapon; and he gave his life. The driver spent 13 years in the joint and now lives free and easy in Franklin Park while JK is in the cemetery. Is this right ? IS THIS JUSTICE ?
Protect yourself people and go home safe.
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