New Contact Card Rumors
This doesn't sound like fun at all:
- SCC, Have you seen the draft of the new contact card? It's now called the "Investigatory Stop Report." It's two pages and will be completed anytime an investigatory stop is made. If the stop results in an arrest, ANOV, Personal Citation etc. the report still needs to be completed. The report will take longer than the Arrest Report. And don't think for a second that every civil rights attorney in Chicago will be offering a $25 gift card for every receipt you bring in for their review. This is going to be the death of policing as we know it.
If true (and this isn't even close to the worst we've heard so far), more and more cops are going to say, "Why bother?" Everything included isn't there to protect you - it's there to hang you.
Labels: rumors
posted by SCC at 12:35 AM
127 Comments:
Why anyone would work tact in the district is beyond me.
Put your blinders on boys and girls. Answer your calls and only make arrest that you have to. Fill out your reports and take your breaks. The city doesn't want you doing any more real police work and hurting the feelings of criminals.
"Have you seen the new draft for the contact card report? "
No, we haven't. Then again, when you print a contact card not made by a SAT team, it actually is fairly lengthy, that is if they actually put in correct addresses, gang, vehicle, and an actually DL number rather than clicking "yes" on ID verified. So can we expect the same?
Well then, it's a good thing I've slowed things down. They don't want you doing proactive police work so don't.
Unfortunately we are living in an age of PC and anti-American sentiment, all fostered by you-know-who. Common sense, or any kind of sense has fled the country.
I'am calling BS... if you arrest/anov/ticket/etc... someone, all that info is recorded; why would you have to that "stop" report??? in fact, everyone was told on the most recent CCard revision NOT to "double dip" i.e. if you anov/cite someone, you can NOT do a CC. I nave no doubt that what was described will apply to to "street stops" that do not result in further action....
You still will have Sgts telling guys at roll call "we need more CC's," as though they grow on trees or like we're all on some type of "scavenger hunt." They know they're not accountable and hope some of the less intelligent cops will do it. My question to the Sgt.s would be, "since you're driving around all night just like us aren't you seeing all the supposed suspicious activity too?" "You know, the same reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed, has been committed, or is about to be committed, that you expect us to see all night?(or make up)NOT!" "If you are, aren't you doing contact cards too or are you just driving by and blowing of potential crime?" How can you Sgt., have zero contact cards all month being on the same streets as us? Aren't you the police? You can't ignore crime even though you feel your white shirt means you don't have to deal with petty stat collecting. Crime is crime you address it, right? Or is it the cold reality that the behavior that falls under "reasonable suspicion" as the civil rights lawyers would say, isn't really there as often as the stat collectors would want? What I'm saying is, how can you ask us to do something that you wouldn't do especially in today's climate?
I recently said to my partner near the end of our tour..."we've been driving around all night and if we go by what the law states on stops and reasonable suspicion how many people on the street tonight fit the elements of "reasonable suspicion?" He replied "none." He was right. You see, sometimes there's nothing there no matter how much a boss is craving for the stats just to impress his boss and further their career's at the expense of POs. We are under so much scrutiny today it's scary and the politicians don't care if our actions were for the greater good. It doesn't matter if you're in a fast or slow district the same rules apply and it's not worth "manufacturing" reasonable suspicion for any boss. The scumbag politicians made the rules and we better watch our backs. Be safe guys and protect yourself and families.
Hey LT, you might as well take my car now!
Do not let merit hack exempts pressure you into street stops or filling out contact cards if reasonable suspicion is not there. If these buffoons retaliate against you , contact internal affairs or inspector general and lodge a complaint. Lawsuit is also an option against them and the city and just watch Cmdrs and their cohorts crap themselves once confronted under oath at deposition or trial on contact card "quotas".
I said "why bother" a long, long time ago.
A big deterrent for doing anything proactive. This is exactly what they wanted.
McAsshole threw the Chicago Police Dept, under the bus to save his job. Trump said that he wants to hire him because he is a gang specialist.
I feel sorry for all the management people who do have to hustle to keep their spot. This alone is worth going to midnight and doing nothing. The clouted however needn't worry.
Time to mind your own business. Let those whom dwell in the ghetto be.
And the leaders take their sheckles and dance in a city they have corrupted.
America.
I've seen the Investigatory Stop 2 page sheet. What is described in this thread is exactly what I've seen. Some of the questions asked are only to hang the officer. 1. Did you perform a protective pat down? 2. Did you handcuff the individual stopped? You have to justify every action in detail. Arrest reports don't ask for as much that is on this report. Plain and simple ladies and gents. Arrest the subject and be done with it. This gives you reason to seach and handcuff. I have warned PO's for years about bringing in 10 contact cards with no arrests. That is going to be called harrassment by the ACLU. Get your arrest and only stop the most obvious subject (DOPW and Riding Bicycle on the Sidewalk). DON'T STICK YOUR NECK OUT FOR DOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just like TRRs
If you're one of the "lucky ones" who has to enter mission activity every day in CLEAR, take a look at what they did to that. It's a hot mess now. Depending on what type of mission you enter, when you get the the "Activity" page, there are all sorts of demographics they ask for...race, age, whether the person lives in the city, time, location, etc. The only thing it doesn't ask for is shoe size!!
Before, you just had to enter the number of contact cards, ANOVS, parkers, movers, curfews, etc. This system is set up to bend everyone over and screw them...without a kiss!!
Exactly. Why bother? Watch for disciplinary action if you're seen stopping someone and not submitting this nonsense.
its true!! its an 11 page order and its two pages long.
What Fuckin stupid fuckin Morons think up this stuff?
So, just for being stopped routinely, you are under "Investigation". How Gestapo-ish. I see Taxpayers again stuck with paying off Lawsuits already somehow.
CPD run by Communist (Democrat) Tools from City Hall.
Off topic. Has anyone seen CPS's new student code of conduct book?? It lists inappropriate, serious and most serious behaviors. The last page lists illegal behavior. Among those not included in illegal behavior are: assault, Agg assault, burglary, theft, inappropriate sexual conduct, battery, vandalism, possession of drugs, extortion, and forgery.This book is to be read by both student and parent and signed to be returned back to school. No wonder our society is the way it is.
Let the savages kill each other. I officially no longer give a shit.
Yeah that makes sense. An 5-10 minute stop on the street has now turned into a hour of paperwork without even getting a CB #. Hmmmmm....I think this will stop me from stopping people. Way to go McCarthy for making our jobs harder and the shithead easier to sue the city ( oh I mean me) I think Chicago's crime is going to surge. Good luck McCarth good luck
Let's hope when Gary reads this on SCC he drops this nonsense! What kind of idiot could be behind this? E know civilians who pay the bills aka taxes read this very blog for real news, what do they think? Do they want less police protection? More criminal activity? Police with having to make the decision to keep their jobs or be accused of violating a thugs "civil rights?" Policing is going the way of antiquities, policing yesterday is the dinosaurs today! We the police surrender white ( is it okay to say white is it politically correct) flag is raised very high, thanks rahms thanks Obama for doing to hard working police officers what has been done, what a total disgrace this is!
It is just like the pursuit (Car Chase) policy. The city looses millions of dollars every year because of this Department Order that was written so lawyers can question every pursuit as being against policy. No pursuit ever follows the order 100%. What the public does not understand is that bad guys do not follow any code of conduct and things change in a split second.
There was a dept email sent out a couple of weeks ago explaining it. It said the new cards were developed to avoid a lawsuit by the ACLU and will be submitted into a digitalized ACLU database for review by ACLU attorneys.
Well this is definitely the end of street stops for CPD. Who in their right mind would want to fill out a 2 page form and then hand it to some Fool on the street, who then runs to loevy and loevy or the peoples lawless office with it. All these fools will do is try and act a fool to get topped each day so they can then go hand these to some bottom feeding shark lawyer for a quick payout from the city.
When a judge, politician or scum bag lawyer gets robbed at gunpoint, home invaded, carjacked or raped, I will take their info and give them a report number. When they ask why didn't you go thru him when he was hanging out on the corner earlier? Well dear victim, the politicians, judges and scum bag lawyers don't want the police to stop anyone anymore. So here is your report have a nice day.
All I do now is show up, smile, wash the squad, gas it up, answer calls, write reports and go home. I make no self initiated stops anymore, and arrest only on signed complaints.
Congratulations to the public. you got the soft and warm police you wanted.
Col Hanibal Smith A-Team
The investigatory stop report will be entered into a database created by the department for the ACLU. The ACLU won't need to pay shitheads anything for a copy. Possible civil rights violations will result in legal action. Read the settlement that the city made with the ACLU.
It would be interesting to know who wrote this new form and who had input into its creation. Yes, field stops are probably dead as we have known them.
come on 2 pages? I doubt it.
This is not a "rumor." It is part of Senate Bill 1304, "The Police and Community Relations Improvement Act," signed into law by Gov. Rauner on August 11, 2015, and is effective January 1, 2016. It includes the state-wide Investigatory Stop Report, to be uniform, and to be completed by every police officer in Illinois, so it can be inputted into a state-wide data base; the lead over-seer of this data base will be a retired African-American federal judge who has already publicly stated that, as a youth, he was the victim of abuse by white police officers. Let us pray that no officer commits an act of Federal Civil Rights Violation during his or her stop.
If the officer goes further and conducts a pat-down or physical search of the person(s) stopped, then a receipt will be given to that person, with the officer's name, star number, and the reason for the stop. If the stop results in an arrest, the original Stop Report must still be completed, so the data base can tell how many stops result in an arrest.
In the near future, there will be city-wide training regarding S.B. 1304, so that all CPD personnel will be in compliance.
The new cards just makes life harder for the law abiding people in the slums--proactive policing will end.
the ACLU leaders all live in rich suburbs and areas of the city and just are in it for the game they've been playing since their college days.
In my 17 years on the job this is by far the worst collection of upper management, EVER. McStupid has single handedly collected the biggest do nothing cowards ever assembled and they are now running this department. These bosses are so stupid, and arrogant, they actually think coppers are going to fill out these cards while they continue to shit on us. STOP doing it. I'm talking to all of you youngsters I still hear on the radio running around chasing bad guys. STOP, STOP, STOP, it's not worth it anymore. One of the very first questions I have heard on this sheet is what race did you think the individual you were stopping was before you stopped him. It's no good.
I recently said to my partner near the end of our tour..."we've been driving around all night and if we go by what the law states on stops and reasonable suspicion how many people on the street tonight fit the elements of "reasonable suspicion?" He replied "none." He was right. You see, sometimes there's nothing there no matter how much a boss is craving for the stats just to impress his boss and further their career's at the expense of POs. We are under so much scrutiny today it's scary and the politicians don't care if our actions were for the greater good. It doesn't matter if you're in a fast or slow district the same rules apply and it's not worth "manufacturing" reasonable suspicion for any boss. The scumbag politicians made the rules and we better watch our backs. Be safe guys and protect yourself and families.
....you don't need to make up reasonable suspicion. You just have to open your eyes and understand what you're seeing. You know the guy hanging out around the train station/bus stop where robberies and thefts occur that isn't getting on the bus or train. The guy walking in the alley, where burglaries happen on a regular occurrence, looking into yards and at garages. It's not rocket science and being able to articulate what you see and why you stop someone to question their actions is how you proactively police and all within the scope of the law.
Everybody should have received an email explaining it in their dept email maybe 1-2 weeks ago. It says that they came up with this to avoid a lawsuit by the ACLU, that it will be for every stop including arrests and anovs, and that it will be submitted into the digitalized ACLU database available to ACLU attorneys. It's supposed to start in dec and we are all supposed to be trained on it by mar.
New edition of Contact Cards will have Lovey and Lovey's phone number on the receipt.
(sarcasm off)
Question: What happens if someone complains about being Contact Carded and it turns out that they lied to the police about their name DOB etc.?
Anonymous said...
I've seen the Investigatory Stop 2 page sheet. What is described in this thread is exactly what I've seen. Some of the questions asked are only to hang the officer. 1. Did you perform a protective pat down? 2. Did you handcuff the individual stopped? You have to justify every action in detail. Arrest reports don't ask for as much that is on this report. Plain and simple ladies and gents. Arrest the subject and be done with it. This gives you reason to seach and handcuff. I have warned PO's for years about bringing in 10 contact cards with no arrests. That is going to be called harrassment by the ACLU. Get your arrest and only stop the most obvious subject (DOPW and Riding Bicycle on the Sidewalk). DON'T STICK YOUR NECK OUT FOR DOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
9/10/2015 06:34:00 AM
While I agree with the sentiment about no dope,Why fuck over some schmuck with DOPW or riding the bike on a sidewalk?Either give the city exactly what it deserves,ZERO'S ACROSS THE BOARD or if you have to impress some boss to keep your precious,little spot go arrest a real criminal.What you are advocating is cowardly douchebaggery of the highest order.Let me guess,you're gonna get your ticket quota out on only White senior citizens...
Anonymous said...
Yeah that makes sense. An 5-10 minute stop on the street has now turned into a hour of paperwork without even getting a CB #. Hmmmmm....I think this will stop me from stopping people. Way to go McCarthy for making our jobs harder and the shithead easier to sue the city ( oh I mean me) I think Chicago's crime is going to surge. Good luck McCarth good luck
9/10/2015 07:55:00 AM
I can't imagine that anyone would really think that the Superintendent is/was behind this new procedure. Of course, publically, he has to support it because it is coming from City Hall under threat of a lawsuit
Yet the ghetto is over saturated every night, why is that, redeploy the extra unit to where they are wanted. Put them in CTA stations to make sure the animal pays thereby keeping him in his own neighborhood to destroy, he won't pay.
The commander of 004 (a beneficiary of the merit promotion process) is going absolutely crazy about contact card numbers. He expects at least "double-digit" numbers of CC's from each beat car for every period, or those officers can bounce from car to car as relief officers. The problem is that the "old-timers" are standing firm on their "I ain't doing nothing" strategy.
Toni Prick-winkle here bitches. Get use to it. You've been locking up the wrong people for years.
Now Caitlyn J. and I are out of here.
Peace out!
They are doing anything and everything to shit on the tax payers. I don't see this lasting too long on Chicago. Chicago is national news now, can't imagine how many shot per week in the city when police stop being proactive.
Let's not forget the piece of shit Terry Hillard. With no pending litigation or warning by the Dept of Justice, he took it upon himself to institute the Tactical Response Report (also known as the Police Confession) where you must include EVERY hold, strike and movement during a high stress event. The only thing missing from the report is a series of check boxes where you can recommend your OWN punishment for whatever transgression you committed. So much for the Policeman's Policeman bullshit they said about him.
This is the Police Department the thug community wanted. There will be NO pro-active policing from here on out. Remember the movies where the rich guy received the ticket and the guy told the cop "I'll have your badge for this..." Well, you knew he couldn't do this and the cop would be exonerated for doing his job. Now you're considered guilty unless PROVEN to be innocent.
We all know this city sucks. It's a shame this country is headed in the same direction.
Anyone know what happened in 022 last night
There was a dept email sent out a couple of weeks ago explaining it. It said the new cards were developed to avoid a lawsuit by the ACLU and will be submitted into a digitalized ACLU database for review by ACLU attorneys.
9/10/2015 08:02:00 AM
Yep. Feeding the fox all the info they need on the hen house.
Yet McCarthy signed off on this shit and was proud to say he did so.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You still will have Sgts telling guys at roll call "we need more CC's," as though they grow on trees or like we're all on some type of "scavenger hunt." They know they're not accountable and hope some of the less intelligent cops will do it. My question to the Sgt.s would be, "since you're driving around all night just like us aren't you seeing all the supposed suspicious activity too?" "You know, the same reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed, has been committed, or is about to be committed, that you expect us to see all night?(or make up)NOT!" "If you are, aren't you doing contact cards too or are you just driving by and blowing of potential crime?" How can you Sgt., have zero contact cards all month being on the same streets as us? Aren't you the police? You can't ignore crime even though you feel your white shirt means you don't have to deal with petty stat collecting. Crime is crime you address it, right? Or is it the cold reality that the behavior that falls under "reasonable suspicion" as the civil rights lawyers would say, isn't really there as often as the stat collectors would want? What I'm saying is, how can you ask us to do something that you wouldn't do especially in today's climate?
I recently said to my partner near the end of our tour..."we've been driving around all night and if we go by what the law states on stops and reasonable suspicion how many people on the street tonight fit the elements of "reasonable suspicion?" He replied "none." He was right. You see, sometimes there's nothing there no matter how much a boss is craving for the stats just to impress his boss and further their career's at the expense of POs. We are under so much scrutiny today it's scary and the politicians don't care if our actions were for the greater good. It doesn't matter if you're in a fast or slow district the same rules apply and it's not worth "manufacturing" reasonable suspicion for any boss. The scumbag politicians made the rules and we better watch our backs. Be safe guys and protect yourself and families.
9/10/2015 02:05:00 AM
I'm in the burbs. It would be nice if someone explained to concept to my LT. He told us FIs were down a few weeks ago. I'm no hard charging, stop everything that moves guy but I do address things when I see them. It's the amazing circus of government. You tell me to do quality stops and tickets. I do them and they beef. You toss 'em out or question my work. The numbers dip. You get upset and say I need more...for you to criticize, toss out and side with the citizen against me?!?! I don't understand how they ignore the correlation between low FIs and THEIR BEING NO ONE TO LEGITIMATELY FI. I'm straight on FIing some schmo that is doing nothing just to make you happy. That's not the purpose of an FI.
*** PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION ***
This is all modeled after.... wait for it.... the NYPD!! Because they are the best cops! Here is a link from the New York Post:
http://nypost.com/2015/08/07/cops-must-provide-receipts-after-stop-and-frisks-under-new-rules/
Garry is just continuing the transition of CPD to NYPD.
I recently said to my partner near the end of our tour..."we've been driving around all night and if we go by what the law states on stops and reasonable suspicion how many people on the street tonight fit the elements of "reasonable suspicion?" He replied "none." He was right. You see, sometimes there's nothing there no matter how much a boss is craving for the stats just to impress his boss and further their career's at the expense of POs. We are under so much scrutiny today it's scary and the politicians don't care if our actions were for the greater good. It doesn't matter if you're in a fast or slow district the same rules apply and it's not worth "manufacturing" reasonable suspicion for any boss. The scumbag politicians made the rules and we better watch our backs. Be safe guys and protect yourself and families.
9/10/2015 02:05:00 Am
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with experience you start seeing things that are not right and you can articulate your suspicion as to why. thats IF you are looking and you took this job to be a cop. if you wanna see nothing then yea , you can pretty much talk yourself out of anything. the guy with the mask and pillow case full of stuff may just be trick or treating early..Its all up to you. but i get your point about the political climate. And btw it is not a Sgt. job description to do your job because you are too chicken shit to do it for yourself.
Here's a thought. The new ISR shows up just before we get a shitload
of "refugees" fleeing the unrest in the Middle East.
No paperwork, no vetting, no way to keep tract of them when they
land in Chiraq. Haffa Whiteman will insist they be granted asylum because
it is a humanitarian "crisis".
When things start blowing up point 3/4 of a finger at Tiny Dancer, Haffa Whiteman,
the Dems, liberals, bottom feeders of the legal and religious brotherhood
of hucksters, media whores, the ACLU and Cancles the Clown.
Why?
Because I will not subject myself or my fellow officers and family to the
inevitable purge that will follow the completion of any "Inveatigative
Stop Report".
ProPassive policing is the new order of the day.
Ecclesiastes says there is nothing new under the sun. Even this era will pass whether we are around to see it or not. The change in thought will come in response to the depths of decay and deprivation we hit as a society. Then a new movement will start. Same old same old. But for us in this era, cover your six.
Yes this is a tool to fuck over individual coppers. But what might be even worse is the effect this will have on Chicago as a city. ESPECIALLY in the poorer neighborhoods with the abundance of crime. Crime is absolutely going to skyrocket! They think it's bad now?? Dear Lord they haven't seen anything yet. The people in the high-crime neighborhoods should know about this. Living in their neighborhoods is about to get a whole helluva lot more dangerous!
follow the law , no on view activity
>>>Anonymous said...
Off topic. Has anyone seen CPS's new student code of conduct book?? It lists inappropriate, serious and most serious behaviors. The last page lists illegal behavior. Among those not included in illegal behavior are: assault, Agg assault, burglary, theft, inappropriate sexual conduct, battery, vandalism, possession of drugs, extortion, and forgery.This book is to be read by both student and parent and signed to be returned back to school. No wonder our society is the way it is.
9/10/2015 07:48:00 AM<<<
When I went to school, a long time ago, we had to learn and recite the TEN COMMANDMENTS. Of course that was a Catholic School taught by nuns in habits.
Try teaching the TEN COMMANDMENTS and you will raise all kinds of flak. But you can teach about the Qu'ran and call it teaching diversity.
McCarthy actually fought this fiasco. It's the politicians from the city and state that wanted this. The gold stars know exactly what is going to happen when this is fully implemented.
You would think with the monumental rise in shootings and violent crime the politicians and law abiding citizens would be begging the police to take a more hands on approach to curtain the onslaught. Nope, not in the Socialist People's Republic of Chiraq.
It's going to take a lot of time to undo the damage being done to policing... if it's even possible.
How can you Sgt., have zero contact cards all month being on the same streets as us? Aren't you the police? You can't ignore crime even though you feel your white shirt means you don't have to deal with petty stat collecting. Crime is crime you address it, right?
FU!! Do your job!! If you lazy crybaby POS would just get out of the car and do their J-O-B then we all would not be in this mess! MY JOB is to make sure you do YOUR JOB, get it?
Another excuse to be down longer ........... Who cares!!!
ANOV don't show up on computer searches so it would make sense to do both. Unless nobody is trying to solve crime and the point is to make paper for officers to be defendants in civil lawsuits.
But Garry knows that? right Garry? The longer the form the longer the person has to be retained on the street for the receipt!
Give me a fucking break. The workers will continue to work and the dogs will stay dogs. The department made a bit of changes. So what. Change will always happen. As long as you follow the laws concerning terry stop, search and seizure, probable cause to arrest, etc. you will be fine. If you follow the letter of the law then the department has to cover you. I am so sick of dogs yelling "oh this is the end of policing". So sick of that shit.
don't expect the FOP to say anything. Today is 10 Sep and they still have not made the Sep newsletter available on their site
State Senator Kwame Raoul sponsored this legislation with input from the ACLU.
The Democratic Senate and House passed this legislation with no Republican votes.
The legislation requires a police officer to submit a report and provide the individual stopped with a receipt whenever an interaction takes place.
The same politicians who voted for this legislation are constantly demanding that more police be assigned to their neighborhoods. When the hierarchy of Chicago Police Department respond and move police into their neighborhoods the hierarchy also demand that the newly assigned officers do something to justify their assignment to these communities, which currently leads to more street stops.
What is problematic that the same politicians that demanded additional police officers then decry that these officers are actually interacting with the community.
These politicians need to realize that when you demand a 2 page interaction report for every interaction that police officers are human beings and will decide not to interact with potential offenders, which will lead to fewer recovered weapons and less arrests.
Then the number of shootings will increase and the number of homicide victims will multiply, which will lead to the politicians demanding more police officers in their communities. But if granted additional police officers you still cannot make them stop anyone.
Illinois politicians should review what recently occurred in Baltimore.
Contact cards are also being examined by the ACLU under the terms of the new "Consent Decree" CPD finds itself under, interesting times here in murder city !
I don't give a FUCK about Copper bitching and moaning. The bosses tell U it's sunny when its clearly raining then U personally thank a boss for the sunshine! Ridiculous, frivolous, and redundant are No Excuses to complain.
Obviously none of this makes sense, but U do as a U R Commanded, Lil doggie, cuz the upper ASS(meant brass)are right and always will be right.
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
THE PAST IS DEAD, THE FUTURE IS UNIMAGINABLE
-Orwell
This is exactly what the dept wants. DONT MAKE STREET STOPS!!! Give them what they want. Don't do a fuckin' thing to put your ass in the trick bag.
This is all part of a massive and evil scheme to destroy Law Enforcement as we know it. Those Conspiracy Theorist People out there may in actuality be closer to the truth than the "Nothin to see here, move along" Crowd. Somethin's up, and its initials are NWO. No more Constitution, No More Bill of Rights, No More Borders, No More CPD and thousands of State, County, Suburban, Town, PD's etc?
Pray For America, people,
"Blessed Are the Peacemakers"
What will replace our "Peacemakers" ?
I think you know.
And I still get paid for just answering calls now. This is great, when the Lt comes into roll call and tells everybody we are down CONTACT, oh well Lt, that's Gary (Sorry, I mean Supernintendo) and the brain trust he gathered at 35th and Michigan fault. How does that effect me!
Roll Call Jan, 1 2017. All cars are in the parking garage, you wait in the station to be dispatched to a job. You get the keys, radio and off you go! Back to the station for 2+ hours of paperwork, (arrest or not). Think it sounds foolish, maybe the by the year 2020, but it will happen.
Welcome to the do-no-more-than-required type of policing. What took you so long.
I joined when merit promotions began. I just couldn't handle boss's that couldn't write a
coherent sentence, lecturing me about activity. Most of which were do-nothings to begin
with. No more CR's, late arrets, or court. Now just waiting a year to go.
Remember, no boss has your best interest in mind.
The day of pro active policing are OVAH ! Do nothing but answer your jobs
Don't do a fucking thing. If you do you're a fool
So we are pretty much giving them a copy of a case and arrest report. Copy paste see you later.
i am a average citizen, and a bit progressive left leaning, but damn, this policy is total B Ffffing S
Will we have to fill them out as we watch the...City Burn Baby Burn !!!!
Where has the Tactical Warrior been? I really miss him.
Two pages...I got two words...FUCK YOU!
It's for the children.
FYI, I was looking at dept. directives and noticed they are starving for FTOs these days. Another test coming while people are dumping the chevrons left and right.
O.T.
Crime is nothing now compared to 1994. I guess the old timers were right.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/1tabledatadecoverviewpdf/table_1_crime_in_the_united_states_by_volume_and_rate_per_100000_inhabitants_1994-2013.xls
Fuck this Bizarro America we now reside in ! Barry Sotero has caused more damage with his liberal crew in 7 years than if the Chinese invaded us ! This job and city are finished . 19p you f*cks
So I'm watching the news tonight and the Pentagon has an Inspector General that is investigating reports that national intelligence reports were doctored to make it seem like the military is making significant progress against ISIS. Sounds like McComstat has filtered all the way up to the Pentagon. Cooking the books isn't just something that Chicago but has spread like the plague.
1200 came in gangbustering the district, making changes without any feed back from sprvsrs and has the me me me mentality and this is my dist attitude and is crying because now 012 is down 40% on CC'S . guess what Mr. i'm a hero. 012 will probably be down even more CC'S next period, maybe 50%,60? who knows. You b.s. with the "help me i'll help you" comments you always make, so hey there bossman! fuck us, f.y.!!now what?
OT
The blackberry email system has been off line all day. You should see the bosses running around like blind mice not knowing what to do without it.
You are all missing the point. This is not about the ACLU or the Superintendent. It is the law. The legislature passed this bill that they tacked onto the TSSS bill that's been going on for 7 years...
All of the things people are bitching about here......Describing your reasonable suspicion, why you searched someone, what's the disposition of the stop, etc. It's all part of the ILCS now.
Maybe you should look at it and place the blame of the downfall of the police department, city, state, and nation, squarely where it belongs..On the politicians selling themselves for votes, money, and corporate sponsorship (law firms)...
“If you see the oppression of the poor and the denial of justice and righteousness in the province, do not be shocked at the sight; for one official watches over another official, and there are higher officials over them” (Ecclesiastes 5:8).
And thus the higher the official, the further away from reality they become. So those who wrote the new contact card no doubt live in a world of their own.
You still will have Sgts telling guys at roll call "we need more CC's," as though they grow on trees or like we're all on some type of "scavenger hunt." They know they're not accountable and hope some of the less intelligent cops will do it. My question to the Sgt.s would be, "since you're driving around all night just like us aren't you seeing all the supposed suspicious activity too?" "You know, the same reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed, has been committed, or is about to be committed, that you expect us to see all night?(or make up)NOT!" "If you are, aren't you doing contact cards too or are you just driving by and blowing of potential crime?" How can you Sgt., have zero contact cards all month being on the same streets as us? Aren't you the police? You can't ignore crime even though you feel your white shirt means you don't have to deal with petty stat collecting. Crime is crime you address it, right? Or is it the cold reality that the behavior that falls under "reasonable suspicion" as the civil rights lawyers would say, isn't really there as often as the stat collectors would want? What I'm saying is, how can you ask us to do something that you wouldn't do especially in today's climate?
I recently said to my partner near the end of our tour..."we've been driving around all night and if we go by what the law states on stops and reasonable suspicion how many people on the street tonight fit the elements of "reasonable suspicion?" He replied "none." He was right. You see, sometimes there's nothing there no matter how much a boss is craving for the stats just to impress his boss and further their career's at the expense of POs. We are under so much scrutiny today it's scary and the politicians don't care if our actions were for the greater good. It doesn't matter if you're in a fast or slow district the same rules apply and it's not worth "manufacturing" reasonable suspicion for any boss. The scumbag politicians made the rules and we better watch our backs. Be safe guys and protect yourself and families.
9/10/2015 02:05:00 AM
I agree with the first part of what you said.
But the second part...
Are you and your partner the police? You can't find ANYTHING that arose your suspicions? I think you should reevaluate your career and I seriously hope you don't patrol where I live.
OT
Another reason to not stop anybody. Don't do anything you're not required to do. Even if your intentions are good you'll get fucked. I'm sure this cop will be fired, if not indicted.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/10/us/tennis-james-blake-tackled-by-nypd/
follow the law , no on view activity
Yes. Exactly. But some guys don't hear the train til its 2 feet from them.
Just make a traffic stop for a minor traffic violation. That's how I get 99% of my contacts.
Does the law require what the contact card will require on the card and to what detail? What CPD requires is all that's already needed ! The department will decide how much data is needed
Remember our supt back in his benining demanded contact and contact cards so he bobble heads went out and got them
So obvious when a supervisor leaves a comment. They get their feathers ruffled so fast. "Just do your job and don't worry." Or anger "fu get your ass out of the car and work." Why boss? This is a corrupt broken machine that is incapable of performing it's task. Why bother? What is the average time lag for most Lt. Or Sgt. working patrol today from the last time they pushed a beat car. Ten-fifteen years? How could the overwhelming majority of them have any clue what a beat officer goes through for the past five or ten years. Has any body ever been asked by one of these guys honestly why they don't work? No. They won't ask anyone "because their dogs and if they weren't they'd have been in a unit by now". We are the peasants who are supposed do the work they are the nobles who don't have to answer to us. And Boss...people laugh at your jokes because they don't want you to be pissy not because they are funny. Your not Jerry Seinfeld with the hilarious observations. Shut the fuck up at roll call and let me get coffee.
1200 came in gangbustering the district, making changes without any feed back from sprvsrs and has the me me me mentality and this is my dist attitude and is crying because now 012 is down 40% on CC'S . guess what Mr. i'm a hero. 012 will probably be down even more CC'S next period, maybe 50%,60? who knows. You b.s. with the "help me i'll help you" comments you always make, so hey there bossman! fuck us, f.y.!!now what?
Wait til his all stars from 007 tac get there they will lead the city in everything. The sooner they leave the better.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
FYI, I was looking at dept. directives and noticed they are starving for FTOs these days. Another test coming while people are dumping the chevrons left and right.
9/10/2015 09:01:00 PM
Remember when they had the BIG push for FTO's back in '99/'00?
And before that, the old Patrol Specialist the Department allowed to
Die off via attrition since the late 70's?
"It's gonna be legit."
"The best of you will cycle through the academy as HRIs
because your recent street experience will make the difference."
"You'll have the opportunity for more training and additional certifications."
"You'll get preference points for the Sergeant's Exam..."
"You'll pick for watches amongst FTOs..."
As soon as the first batch of FTOs hit the districts, most of the
District commanders made it their personal business to fuck
Them over, change watches, etc...
And a lot of those guys gave up their chevrons than
stand still for the abuse and bullshit that was being
dished out.
"Fuck you Office, that was MY decision and it still
stands. If you don't like it, you can resign..."
5 minutes later with a par form...
"Commander? Your signature please?"
"!!%Mother@$??Bull#!!"
"Yes sir but your signature will need to be on that PAR form
regardless..."
This newest push will be the same fucking thing.
CPD will never take field training seriously.
Every 15 to 20 years some bosshole awakes with a snort and a fart, yells
"FTO!" And goes back to sleep.
"Zzzzz - Snort! - Wet Meat Flapping Noise! Zzzzz!"
This job keeps getting easier.
Its funny how no sergeants, lts, captains, xo's have ever changed or suggested change about low manpower during shift change or the dangers it presents. (need overlap) They just smile and feed b.s. downtown to keep their boat stable. I say grow a set and make the changes without even telling downtown and back your officers. What will you be remembered for? The boss that kissed other males asses or the Real Deal?
1200 the most uninformed, arrogant, clueless person I have ever met!! He walks around the station like he fuckin owns it, does not even say hi when he looks at you when he walks past. He is always on the radio, and sounds like an ass. The only people he will have anything to do with in a blue shirt is if you are on the softball team, and than he will pay you OT to take a CPD transport van and BBQ for the team. As I said what an ASS!!! I really hope the 12th district is last in every category that Gary looks at.
Anonymous said...
McAsshole threw the Chicago Police Dept, under the bus to save his job. Trump said that he wants to hire him because he is a gang specialist.
9/10/2015 06:11:00 AM
Bwahahahaha!
DON'T STICK YOUR NECK OUT FOR DOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
9/10/2015 06:34:00 AM
...or for A dope either!
Supt. McCarthy (Garry) told a commander yesterday at COMSTAT not to use the term "wolfpack" when describing a police strategy because it refers to Nazi subs in WWII sinking innocent ships. OK, enough with all the political correctness. The term has been in the police lexicon forever. So, Garry, my new favorite word will be Wolfpack.
What happens when some ghetto rat collects 3-4 (or more) receipts in 24 hours and sues the officers and the city?
You are all missing the point. This is not about the ACLU or the Superintendent. It is the law. The legislature passed this bill that they tacked onto the TSSS bill that's been going on for 7 years...
All of the things people are bitching about here......Describing your reasonable suspicion, why you searched someone, what's the disposition of the stop, etc. It's all part of the ILCS now.
Maybe you should look at it and place the blame of the downfall of the police department, city, state, and nation, squarely where it belongs..On the politicians selling themselves for votes, money, and corporate sponsorship (law firms)...
9/10/2015 11:32:00 PM
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So the lady having a heart attack at the CTA station can't be written up on a contact card?
don't expect the FOP to say anything. Today is 10 Sep and they still have not made the Sep newsletter available on their site
9/10/2015 04:45:00 PM
The FOP Lodge 7 are useless.
They are more concerned about where to party next than what you as an officer are doing and how you are getting screwed daily.
The next FOP election can't come soon enough.
They're all gonna be gone. Every last one of them!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So I'm watching the news tonight and the Pentagon has an Inspector General that is investigating reports that national intelligence reports were doctored to make it seem like the military is making significant progress against ISIS. Sounds like McComstat has filtered all the way up to the Pentagon. Cooking the books isn't just something that Chicago but has spread like the plague.
9/10/2015 10:03:00 PM
The potus is from Chicago. Enough said!
I love the guys who just say "do it right and you have nothing to worry about".
The same mentality of "you can reduce the medical, I never get sick".
Totally naive, you can do your job exactly right and get fucked, you can lead a healthy lifestyle and get sick or injured.
Here is an idea, if the district is unrelenting in its quest for contact cards and they are two page reports, make your stop of multiple subjects just before checkoff. That much paper should take at least an hour if properly filled out. Check money box, repeat.
The city mostly responds when its pocketbook is affected.
Obama was the state legislator who proposed and endorsed the tss statistics. Anybody surprised?
The F.O.P. State Lodge should have been lobbying in Springfield against SB 1304, which changes contact cards into an essay writing exercise, and other bad laws with the "police reform" misnomer. Why are we paying them dues?
Toni Prick-winkle here bitches. Get use to it. You've been locking up the wrong people for years.
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Send the entire dept. to China Town until we get those stats right!
On a serious note, the FBI, as we all know, compiles nationwide stats on murder. A male black is 6x more likely to kill than is a male white. Is that the PC way to say it, or can we not even discuss race at all? Asians kill at a rate even below that of whites, despite the Chinese having been fucked with. Kuami, the senator who pushed this CC stuff, I would guess, believes the liberal tripe that blacks are indeed victims of the police. Anyone ever ask him how he squares the murder stats with the prison population? Can we have a reasonable discussion about this? Seems to me the murder population matches perfectly.
And remember all the griping about the federal sentencing guidelines for crack being more than that of powder cocaine being 'racist?' Guess what? The black congressman made those guidelines, in an effort to rid their communities of the scourge of crack. Yet, the liberal liar, as is his way, misconstrued, no LIED ... about the whole thing. Abraham Lincoln said we would not be conquered by a foreign enemy, but would be, could be, destroyed from within. Pretty smart guy he was.
The Illinois legislature is meant to be a part time job, not a high paying job with one of the best pensions in the country. Maybe it about time that they cut back on their hours, their pay and drop the pension. Then they would have to work so hard to pass useless legislation that is entirely influenced by lobbyists and unions and not in the best interest of the citizens and taxpayers.
Anonymous said...
Give me a fucking break. The workers will continue to work and the dogs will stay dogs. The department made a bit of changes. So what. Change will always happen. As long as you follow the laws concerning terry stop, search and seizure, probable cause to arrest, etc. you will be fine. If you follow the letter of the law then the department has to cover you. I am so sick of dogs yelling "oh this is the end of policing". So sick of that shit.
9/10/2015 04:44:00 PM
Yes, maybe you are correct and maybe you are dead wrong. Time will tell. But, as you can see things are not going so well in the great city of NY. The former Commish said things have reverted back a generation almost overnight. I spent 34 plus years on the job and in my humble estimation, a fully legal and qualified Terry stop is hard to make and a pat down even harder. Couple that with filling out this paper work and giving the mope a copy will deter many and will cause more complaints to be filed against the officer . Retraining should have happened as many of these investigative stops were just plain wrong, but this move is just way over the top and an overreaction.
No more proactive police work. Why go home after a mentally exhausting day at work and worry about a possible lawsuit brewing, even though you were legally conforming to the department rules and laws?
11:32pm....Actually genius, the new state law requires the issuance of receipts to people that are stopped as well as additional training for officers. The deal cut by the Dept with the ACLU establishes the "new" 2 page form. Two separate instances of selling out.
"if you follow the law the dept has to cover you"
bwa ha ha ha
You poor ignorant no time on the job fool
ask the dics that payed 50 grand plus out of their pockets in punitive damages.
and those were straight as an arrow coppers.
your a fucking moron. good luck to you.
"...and a bit progressive left leaning..."
Thank you for the apology.
004 must really miss Ruiz.
Anonymous said...
Give me a fucking break. The workers will continue to work and the dogs will stay dogs. The department made a bit of changes. So what. Change will always happen. As long as you follow the laws concerning terry stop, search and seizure, probable cause to arrest, etc. you will be fine. If you follow the letter of the law then the department has to cover you. I am so sick of dogs yelling "oh this is the end of policing". So sick of that shit.
9/10/2015 04:44:00 PM
Darren Wilson didn't do anything wrong and look what happened to him, did they cover him? This is different then dogs saying I won't work without a contract or because I got denied a day off. I have always been a worker but If this gets implemented I'm done.
Remeber that the democrats who are in charge don't want the police to do any police work. This is a way of looking proactive toward policing all the while they know we won't jump through this hoop. It's slight of hand, they put out a new policy that's designed to be more transparent, fair, and nonrascist but in reality they don't want the police to be the police anymore. The only thing we will exist for is to enforce punishment on political enemies of those in office. In the very near future the police will go after bakers, photographers, and pastors while existing laws are stricken from the books so those who sell dope, loiter, and hold down corners for the nation will no longer be committing crime since it will no longer be one ......they are doing it in Minnesota and elsewhere, it started with the decriminalization with marjuana and it won't stop.
Anonymous said...
The F.O.P. State Lodge should have been lobbying in Springfield against SB 1304, which changes contact cards into an essay writing exercise, and other bad laws with the "police reform" misnomer. Why are we paying them dues?
9/11/2015 08:22:00 AM
Lobbying in Springfield means just one thing: bring lots of cash to help the legislators see your point of view. These are not bribes, mind you, but political contributions. They come along with free dinners, sports tickets, vacations and "junkets".
The commander of 004 (a beneficiary of the merit promotion process) is going absolutely crazy about contact card numbers. He expects at least "double-digit" numbers of CC's from each beat car for every period, or those officers can bounce from car to car as relief officers. The problem is that the "old-timers" are standing firm on their "I ain't doing nothing" strategy.
9/10/2015 12:25:00 PM
It's going to be great when his ball lick gets the merit promotion before the guy who got shot from the tact team. If anyone on those teams does an ounce of work for him, they should be ashamed of themselves. They should all go to the watch and hold their dicks while the new tact crew of 2 year wonders fills the lock ups with quasi misdemeanors and fucked up paper. He'll be back as the Captain on midnights running one of that abso-fucking-lutely bizarre watches in the city.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
1200 the most uninformed, arrogant, clueless person I have ever met!! He walks around the station like he fuckin owns it, does not even say hi when he looks at you when he walks past. He is always on the radio, and sounds like an ass. The only people he will have anything to do with in a blue shirt is if you are on the softball team, and than he will pay you OT to take a CPD transport van and BBQ for the team. As I said what an ASS!!! I really hope the 12th district is last in every category that Gary looks at.
9/11/2015 05:17:00 AM
You forgot to mention that he( 1200) thinks everybody loves him.I think the only one that loves him is himself! Yes, God bless him that he survived a shooting but lets not forget a few things here- he was somewhere he wasn't supposed to be, he was told not to walk in front of the building that had an active shooter, heck there are people on this job that have been involved in shootings and a few who have actually been shot and survived and they are the most humble people you would ever know, but this Prick !! oh and lets not forget to mention that his reputation far exceeds his so called " hero" status.He strong arms everyone to get "FREE" anything... how was that BBQ paid for again? .Sure ,we've heard he was a great boss, intelligent, wherever the fuck he came from but that doesn't guarantee that he would've made a great commander, but Mother F-er please!! you ain't commander material, which he isn't. Do yourself and your family a favor and leave/retire already while you're still a " HERO " ( in your own mind that is ). i feel sorry for you guys up in 012 it's only taken him a few periods to show his true colors
This is part of the same legislation that requires cops to give anyone they stop a receipt with their name and star number. Funny, FOP supported the bill.
New edition of Contact Cards will have Lovey and Lovey's phone number on the receipt.
(sarcasm off)
Question: What happens if someone complains about being Contact Carded and it turns out that they lied to the police about their name DOB etc.?
9/10/2015 11:48:00 AM
absolutely fucking nothing! just like the affidavits that are supposed to be enforced if someone lies beefing about an officer and they're supposed to go after them, WHICH THEY DON'T!! THIS CITY IS SO FULL OF SHIT
The commander of 004 (a beneficiary of the merit promotion process) is going absolutely crazy about contact card numbers. He expects at least "double-digit" numbers of CC's from each beat car for every period, or those officers can bounce from car to car as relief officers. The problem is that the "old-timers" are standing firm on their "I ain't doing nothing" strategy.
So.... getting bounced off your get really did get your goat, dog. LOL
"1200 the most uninformed, arrogant, clueless person I have ever met!! He walks around the station like he fuckin owns it, does not even say hi when he looks at you when he walks past. He is always on the radio, and sounds like an ass. The only people he will have anything to do with in a blue shirt is if you are on the softball team, and than he will pay you OT to take a CPD transport van and BBQ for the team. As I said what an ASS!!! I really hope the 12th district is last in every category that Gary looks at."
9/11/2015 05:17:00 AM
LOL!!! Nice to know some things never change. He will tell you Garry loves him and will give him whatever he asks for. He will tell you he was being brave when he got shot when really all he was being was arrogant and stupid. He milked a gold star out of a situation he had no business being in in the first place. But he does own 012 now. So boys and girls, let's give him everything he deserves. Which is a big, fat, fucking NOTHING.
I am a tact Sergeant and I can tell you I have already told my guys that they are stopping no one. Pro active Police work is done. I don't know who is going to UNFUCK what this idiot McCarthy did but someone needs to tell the ACLU to fuck off and take us to court. This goof did this so he can say at his next job interview "look what I did I am proactive and I saved the city a ton of money in litigation." Thanks for destroying this once great Department.
"The next FOP election can't come soon enough.
They're all gonna be gone. Every last one of them!
9/11/2015 06:32:00 AM"
Yeah,That'll be the day. HAHAHAHA!! Daddy will step down, Junior will run, and you'll all be tripping over each other in the Roll Call Room to be the first rub his nut sack.
Big Shit talkers, who've elect back to back idiots.
Excuse me, but did I just hear that someone needs their ballsack rubbed.
I am always able to provide assistance.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
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