Wait a Minute...18?
Someone pointed out a comment referencing the fact that the CPD currently has eighteen (that's 18) Deputy Chiefs on the payroll.
What?
We recall years ago, we got away with maybe six at a time.
Then Weis came in and suddenly there were nine.
Now under McCarthy, we have eighteen? What the fuck?
We realize that politicians have to pay off their supporters somehow, but tripling the number of "deputies" along with the associated costs (and pensions), not to mention staff pulled off the street to do the all encompassing redundant paperwork....one has to ask is this really an efficient use of department resources?
We all know what the answer is....and we know what answer we'll get.
What?
We recall years ago, we got away with maybe six at a time.
Then Weis came in and suddenly there were nine.
Now under McCarthy, we have eighteen? What the fuck?
We realize that politicians have to pay off their supporters somehow, but tripling the number of "deputies" along with the associated costs (and pensions), not to mention staff pulled off the street to do the all encompassing redundant paperwork....one has to ask is this really an efficient use of department resources?
We all know what the answer is....and we know what answer we'll get.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:33 AM
123 Comments:
Why does McCarthy make $260,000 a year?
Didn't Phil Cline make around $158,000 as Superintendent?
Awe, C'mon now, SCC, that's just 3 DCs for all 6 race codes......
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!
Efficiency has nothing to do with it. increased bureaucracy and political rewards is the name of the game. Welcome to a democrat machine run city/county.
Right before Montgomery Ward (the retail store chain) on Chicago and Larabee went belly up, all the top honchos raised their salaries and gave themselves pay raises. Looks like the same thing here.
Fox ran a story about the 24/7 open air
drug market at Madison and Pulaski and
even with the hundreds of arrests made
by the CPD, it is still in business.
Garry's response was we can't shut it down alone.
He admitted on TV that it can't be done.
He raised the white flag.
Will the last deputy chief at 35th street turn the
LLights of in the building when they leave!
I think a few hundred SOG and Task Force
coppers rolled over in their graves,
Way to go Garry.
SCC, Have you seen the draft of the new contact card? It's now called the "Investigatory Stop Report." It's two pages and will be completed anytime an investigatory stop is made. If the stop results in an arrest, ANOV, Personal Citation etc. the report still needs to be completed. The report will take longer than the Arrest Report. And don't think for a second that every civil rights attorney in Chicago will be offering a $25 gift card for every receipt you bring in for their review. This is going to be the death of policing as we know it.
Glad I do not live in Chicago. I would be pretty pissed to know a HUGE tax hike is coming so that I could help pay for more patronage stooges.
Like I said before, cut the Deputy Chiefs, cut down the amount of Aldermen and their staffs to 20, and just right there, you could cut out unnecessary positions and not effect day-to-day operations or services.
Do the same thing in the Board of Ed, and now you don't even need a tax hike.
CUT the BUDGET. CONSOLIDATE positions and staffs.
Though I am not one, if it gets another beat cop off the street in these modern policing days, then good for them. I know the backlash, but if it were you, I'm sure most would jump at the chance to get off these ungrateful streets. I and many others can only hope it happens to us one day.
And every one of those 18 has a commander as an XO. So, 22 districts, 18 XOs, about another 10-12 in units and you have about 50-55 commanders. Where's the reduction there?
Start naming them and you will have an answer as to why there are so many.
What about all the "could not make it as commanders", now XO's for the deputy chiefs as well?
Aside from all the "Deputies" we have "directors"& other civilian bosses equivalent to a commander on the inside that some how out rank actual police officers Sgt, Lt. Slap in the face to those that actually deserve to be Commanders!!!
OT: Is 011 3w getting a little shaky? Two days in a row that I noticed they didn't sound like an O11 district 3w. Just an outside observation.
17, C.V. is history, "thank God", 1 spot open. Round and round the clout wheel goes, where it stops no one knows. Who will get his spot?
18 Deputy Chiefs....Hmmmm
I'd like to see that list.
What is the average age of those Chiefs?
What is their average time on the job?
How much of that time was spent in Patrol?
and finally...
How many of them got every one of their promotions (Patrolman to Detective to Sergeant to Lieutenant) through MERIT(clout)?
Why is this. Does McNumbnuts want them as seat fillers and yes-men at Compost meetings so he can feel important.
And we're lucky to have them. Just ask anyone of them.
Sucking pension dry.
Anyone hired after 2010 is in pension tier 2. They're pension is capped at $106,000.
Eliminate Gold Braid. Go back to Lt. for pension purposes.
I'd like the job of Deputy Chief in Charge of Looking out the Window.
Provided I had a view of the Lakefront or the Loop.
More chiefs to cover less Indians...
don't forget---for every chief/deputy chief and Commander/Captain pairing--- the sum total is practically one semi-normal or almost qualified individual.....its a yin/yang...clout/no clout...brains/no brains...spine/no spine...personality/no personality...balancing act
All of Chicago city government is this way.
There are commissioners that have 3 and 4 secretaries. (Just so that the work is spread out enough so that no one is overworked)
I don't like to see anyone lose a job but if there shouldn't have been a job there in the first place. Well??
Rahm has a major spending problem. Like a 16yr old with a black Amex card.
He just keeps spending.
we need more deputies....esp since Lts are running units...Sgts do the watch commander work in districts...and POs do desk sgt work---all for NO out of grade pay. Gotta spend the money somewhere.
Its me again, that guy on a bike.
The website isn't hard to find.
Here's the link to the city site.
Names, Rank, annual salary, department employed by.
http://www.cityofchicago.org/city/en/depts/dhr/dataset/current_employeenamessalariesandpositiontitles.html
There used to be only three Chiefs too.
Chief of Patrol
Chief of Detectives
Chief of Organized Crime
And years ago
Chief of Traffic
How many are there now? Someone, anyone help me out Zi am retired 10 yrs, LOL
Proving once again that the city has money, but is refusing to use it on things like pensions. Instead the politicians are using it for things like paying back political favors.
How many of those deputies were merit sergeants? This is where the brain drain begins.
Management for management! Which one is in charge of looking out the window?
18 seems a reasonable number for a large organization like the CPD. Modern administration is complicated and required enough high level administrators to perform effectively.
I called for the elimination of the gold braid pension along time ago and make it civil service .
Which means LT is max pension! And if the exempts want they can bail and go into the municipal pension! But why should a patrolman pay for a bosses steak dinner when he or she has to sweat the insurance !
That's a good quiz question..
Name all the Deputy Chiefs...
Don't forget Leo who was the only deputy chief as a commander who went to run ISP! What political favor was paid with that move? Woooo!
Who took Leo's place?
Both newspapers like to refer to the Civic Federation as being "non-partisan" but nothing could be further from the truth. Lawrence Msall, its fearless leader, worked for both Jim Thompson and George Ryan. Most of his staffers are refugees from Republican administrations.
Plus there is also many many more XO's, if you cannot make it as a commander in this administration,you become a XO, same pay,same take home car,less responsiblity,not bad.
Where are they all assigned?
a bloated and redundant staff.....if this were your department, would you run it the way it's being run, would you pay extraordinary salaries to folks who do almost nothing, would you organize it the way it is?.....
Can you say top heavy and ridiculous?
This is exactly why the "exempt" "rank" should be just that...exempt from pension. You should get a boost in pay while in that position but earn your pension at your "real" rank. That would stop a lot of idiots from being in the position of telling real officers what they need to do to appease them.
Says a whole bunch for the top McFlurry, your that incompetent that you need more, but some of them are incompetent so what the hell, hire more to help the helpless... and the press says..........(zzzzzz)
Meanwhile we have practically everyone on 3rd watch and 1st watch now working 99 (violating contract agreement while our useless FOP continues to do absolutely nothing), districts in a RAP, and citizens complaining about response times. If you are not answering jobs assigned by dispatchers, we have no need for the likes of you. Moreover, if you are collecting a six figure salary and gold braid pension, you are no better than a common thief. Then again, a common thief works harder for their spoils than an exempt rank political hack.
Please don't lump Gene Roy into the pile of useless exempts.
Guess they had to do something since there are less police districts and Areas. The number of white shirts has to be kept up as a reward to loyal workers.
Are they going to have Tact and Gang teams on scene when they drain the lagoon looking for more body parts? Bet there's some guns to be found there too..
Not a cop but damn, about time this was discussed in the open. You can cut layers of management across all aspects of city government and not have to raise any taxes. Period. These jobs pay healthy so you are not putting people out of work. They will receive TAX FREE pensions for life with health care. Cut the jobs, that is real savings. Focus on waste,fraud and abuse. That should be accounted for in the damn budget.
Those who can't, lead
Rahm's gotta keep those Kickbacks comin in.
Look at this about Garry
http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=4732
Overpaid and Under-Qualified, it's the Chicago CPD Way. All OK as long as the Taxpayers are stuck paying for it, and the kickbacks to City Hall from all those big CPD Bosses keep rolling in.
didn't they also double the number of inspectors?
Like Leo, who married well, wearing a star on his collar (and BDUs--what a laugh that was) at Car 700.
He sure had Garry fooled and fooled Rauner also
And when they retire, they will be sucking Gold Braid Pensions from our pension fund! Why do we allow this rip-off of the pension fund to continue. Gold Braids are political not earned by competitive, though occasionally fixed exams. Let these Political Hacks retire at their highest rank attained by exam. That one modification to our pension fund would save millions of pension fund assets."Baby G"
There's always room at the top when it comes to Gold Braid 2016 !
Disbandment and consolidation of Units, including Districts is likely sometime very soon.
Always an budgetary issue and a move looks good in the news.
The City is hurting, these are tough times and those bosses will be dropping out before the bottom falls out.
Big problem for pension fund .
Only superintendent should get gold braid , it should be based on last ten years of salary.
Does anyone else think shootings are up (especially multiple people shot in one incident) because nobody is being arrested for small amounts of cannabis?
As stated before, NOBODY should get more than a Lieutenant's pension. The question is, how does the city go about doing this?
CPD Staff structure has always been an upside down Triangle. Booz Allen Report pointed that out 25 years ago and of course Runt Daley shitcanned their recommendations.
Meanwhile the suckholes will continue run for coffee, get cigars, provide sack rubs to anyone wearing a gold star and spout on incessantly how great these guys are, working policeman, stand up guy, knew him in the task force, all the usual nauseous BS. Enough Already!
There was a Pressure Cooker left in a garbage can outside of Terminal 3 Tues night at O'Hare. This was the same type of explosive device used in Boston and throughout the Middle East and Europe. It was not rigged to explode this time but had the hallmarks of a dress rehearsal. With the upcoming 9/11 Anniv coming up as well as the Jewish High Holidays it's time to take these things seriously. We live in a very dangerous world.
While many are as dumb as a box of rocks and would not recognize a felon if he bit them in their ass, we must reward/bribe CPD suckholes with big salaries and six figure pensions ("the gold braiders") to toe the company bullshit line. The litmus test: If City Hall or HQ tells suckholes to jump, the only correct response is "How high, sir?"
More Kool-Aid, anyone?
Remember: Da job is all legit!
Don't forget in the 90's Daley paid big bucks for a study to streamline the police dept. One of the recommendations was to get rid of the rank of Captain. It wasn't needed.
So they did not promote anyone to Captain for years until there was only a handful left. The remaining Capts were assigned to the areas and various places.
Then Richie brought back the rank, but now it was by appointment, not test.
Just another step on the long staircase of keeping the job "who you know".
I hear KM from 002 is heading(or has headed) back to HQ to head up the new Contact Card program. Wonder if that has a promotion attached to it?
I think the toughest guy on the dept. should be the super. Have a huge street fighting contest at Soldier Field. The process of elimination will determine who the super, 1st. deputy etc. will be. Guarantee it WON'T be Garry. ♠️
Don't forget Phat Phil making a buck and a half from pension plus Lord knows what from Memorial Fund.
Pension should be issued at earned grade, if you never passed a promotional exam, why should you get the pay for the rest of your life. Merit career should not mean merit pension.
Gold braid is nothing more than taking care of special friends and family. All exempt personnel, including appointed captains, should contribute to the pension fund at their career service rank rate and should collect a pension based on their career service rank, not at some appointed exempt position. Imagine how much this could save the pension fund!
Anonymous said...
As stated before, NOBODY should get more than a Lieutenant's pension. The question is, how does the city go about doing this?
9/09/2015 11:33:00 AM
Unless I am mistaken the gold braid bill is a separate pension bill. It just needs to be eliminated and all future promotes would not be covered. those already holding the rank would get their pensions. The city tried to implement this with the fire department and the union pushed back so they are not covered.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
As stated before, NOBODY should get more than a Lieutenant's pension. The question is, how does the city go about doing this?
9/09/2015 11:33:00 AM
I called the pension board and talked to secretary waiting for a call back, everyone should call, it's our pension we should eb able to vote on how "our money" is spent!
Many of the exempt do no political work. Trust me rival candidates comb through event pictures on FB and search the states databases looking for angles.
The smart commanders hand Alderman cell numbers to call if the shit hits the fan in districts. Police are extremely cheap with donations to political campaigns.
The commanders lackey in CAPS usually do the grunt work you ever wonder why certain block parties have a uniformed detail? How about Jewelry stores in 001 and 018 with foot guys right in front? yea big secret...
Feel free to plug in any civilians with rank names and see what pops.
https://www.elections.il.gov/campaigndisclosure/contributionssearchbyallcontributions.aspx
NO names? cmon what ever happened to the rebellious house mouses with the print outs of who was what!
Deputy Chief of Crime Strategy & Accountability (S. Caluris) useless spot
Deputy Chief of Organized Crime (E. Carter) useless spot
Anonymous said...
18 Deputy Chiefs....Hmmmm
I'd like to see that list.
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Double the deputy chiefs at an astronomical salary but 2,000 fewer police officers. Who do these bosses tell what to do?
Screw all these Gold Braid mooches that are benefitting from the pension funds. Some of these guys are OK, but the majority are STROKES. Like when Mcarthy mad Leo a Deputy Chief but was the commander of 7. If we continue to allow this raping of the little guys pension money, you little guys will have nothing, they pimp you all off with VRI and some other hush money.
I would like to see the number of Department brass above the rank of lieutenant (the last rank you can achieve by yourself) that have a merit promotion on their record. I am sure the number is a statistically improbability.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Please don't lump Gene Roy into the pile of useless exempts.
Jonathan Lewin either... not
Cpd is bad but streets and san. is worse! Almost as many supervisors and deputy this and that as labor workers. Posts created as spots for the highest bidder! Chicago chicago
Didn't think they could get that many in the clown car!
And they just added an XO to CPIC! So a deputy, a commander, an XO, a LT WTF!! I guess Tracy wanted his black widow KM close by....
Mentioning Leo-- what a tool. Phat Phil loved him also.
There was a Pressure Cooker left in a garbage can outside of Terminal 3 Tues night at O'Hare. This was the same type of explosive device used in Boston and throughout the Middle East and Europe. It was not rigged to explode this time but had the hallmarks of a dress rehearsal. With the upcoming 9/11 Anniv coming up as well as the Jewish High Holidays it's time to take these things seriously. We live in a very dangerous world.
Not completely true. It wasn't a pressure cooker. It was a rice cooker. Similar in appearance.
The original poster is correct in that the 9/11 anniversary is upon us, along with the Jewish high holidays and to be vigilant.
>>>Anonymous said...
Are they going to have Tact and Gang teams on scene when they drain the lagoon looking for more body parts? Bet there's some guns to be found there too..
9/09/2015 09:06:00 AM<<<
When they drained the Ogden Slip, the site where the NBC Tower now stands a couple of rusty guns were found. Also a stolen Cadillac, no body in it though.
"There was a Pressure Cooker left in a garbage can outside of Terminal 3 Tues night at O'Hare. This was the same type of explosive device used in Boston and throughout the Middle East and Europe. It was not rigged to explode this time but had the hallmarks of a dress rehearsal."
Sorry Dude, that was mine I was heading out on the Redeye to Cleveland and I brought the Pressure Cooker so my Slovenian Mother could whip me up some Piping Hot Kielbasa. The Uber driver said I couldn't bring it as a carry on, so I dumped it.
My Bad, but sometimes things are just garbage.
"Please don't lump Gene Roy into the pile of useless exempts.
9/09/2015 08:59:00 AM"
Signed, One of his many concubines
"18 seems a reasonable number for a large organization like the CPD. Modern administration is complicated and required enough high level administrators to perform effectively.
9/09/2015 07:20:00 AM"'
Exactly, especially when staffing is @ it lowest and technology has removed numerous redundancies. Guess too many Chiefs, not enough Indians is lost on you.
When an exempt retires any time they have on the books is paid out at their civil service rank of Lt or Capt not their exempt salary. As far pension, I don't know how you would do that. They pay 9% of their exempt salary into the fund, just like we pay 9% of our salary into the fund. So how would you settle that? Only take 6 or 7 percent of their salary? Anybody have any ideas? Thanks.
18 sucking the life out of the pension! The mayors details sergeant pay plus sergeant pension his commanders get commanders pensions also they are all d1 patrolman rank! Pension board let us vote on this! It's our money being misused, civil service rank pension lieutenant would be top pensions! How about the double and triple dip pension o'neill, Leo Schmitz (guess state police could not come up with better candidate) how many more?
Need a Donald Trump to come in and clean house!
3 million in salary plus about 2.4 mil out of the pension. Nice gig if you can get it
anonymous said...
Its me again, that guy on a bike.
The website isn't hard to find.
Here's the link to the city site.
Names, Rank, annual salary, department employed by.
http://www.cityofchicago.org/city/en/depts/dhr/dataset/current_employeenamessalariesandpositiontitles.html
9/09/2015 06:53:00 AM
Thanks for the link. This is un-fking believable. I scrolled down and see a tree trimmer for streets and san is making over $74K/ year !?!?!? WTF is that sh!t !?!?! That's more than an officer with 5 yrs on. What a fking joke. And this is one of SIX- yes SIX, family members all on the municipal payroll. And that's starting with the first letter of the alphabet! Bat shit crazy corruption!!!
Lt. Should be the highest pensionable rank . Lt. Should be assigned to an area , not district patrol . The Sergeant ,DSS, runs the watch .
XO/Captain. Another appointed rank for the connected should be eliminated .
Wait a Minute...18?
Someone pointed out a comment referencing the fact that the CPD currently has eighteen (that's 18) Deputy Chiefs on the payroll.
What?
We recall years ago, we got away with maybe six at a time.
Then Weis came in and suddenly there were nine.
Now under McCarthy, we have eighteen? What the fuck?
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5 Area Deputy Chiefs. (once done with one Deputy Chief and one secretary, total staff of 2 including the Deputy.
Deputy Chiefs for north and south side detectives
Deputy Chief for Special Functions (old Frank Radke job)
A couple of misc. Deputy Chiefs who had trouble finding shit to do.
I can't think of any more
Big problem for pension fund .
Only superintendent should get gold braid , it should be based on last ten years of salary.
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Signed,
~ Lover Boy Garry
Phil cline makes more than enough money. Superintendent pension plus well over 100G in his "non for profit" organization
The CCSPD has a boatload of ex-states attorneys as deputy Chiefs on the Police Department and a female bailiff Lieutenant (that's right-bailiff Lt!) as the Deputy Chief of Patrol! She is NOT a certified Police Officer!
Any idea of what her appointment does for morale to the County Police?
I recall thinking the wall just north of the Duty Desk Across from the Commander's Office
at The Academy which at one time ( maybe still does) had photos of all the Exempt members was like a Rogues Gallery.
And that the CPD is not about policing, Its about fiding high paying jobs for the politically connected.
Don't forget in the 90's Daley paid big bucks for a study to streamline the police dept. One of the recommendations was to get rid of the rank of Captain. It wasn't needed.
So they did not promote anyone to Captain for years until there was only a handful left. The remaining Capts were assigned to the areas and various places.
Then Richie brought back the rank, but now it was by appointment, not test.
Just another step on the long staircase of keeping the job "who you know".
9/09/2015 01:13:00 PM
Aside from captains not being needed, there is not a single factual point in your post.
From the BGA pension database:
Philip J Cline Chicago Police $162,972.00 37 8/4/2007 2015
Philip Cline Chicago Police $158,931.72 37 8/4/07 2013
Philip Cline Chicago Police $158,931.72 36.83 8/4/2007 2014
Philip Cline Chicago Police $134,837.88 36.88888889 8/4/07 2012
Enjoy. Anyone care to explain how Cline's pension jumped 24k in 3 years?
Hillard similar pension.
When an exempt retires any time they have on the books is paid out at their civil service rank of Lt or Capt not their exempt salary. As far pension, I don't know how you would do that. They pay 9% of their exempt salary into the fund, just like we pay 9% of our salary into the fund. So how would you settle that? Only take 6 or 7 percent of their salary? Anybody have any ideas? Thanks.
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Couple of ways actually, but a good question.
What they could do, is once you become a Captain or above you could be assigned a paid salary of whatever they make, let's say $160k for a commander but their pensionable salary would be let's say top tier Lt at their respective step, Lets say 125. So they would pay 9% of their pensionable salary and only then get that as they retire. So 75% of 125k would be a pension of approx 94k. And make it based on an average of 8 to 10 years. Still a decent retirement.
Another way would be, once the person is promoted to Capt or above pay them at the rank of Lt as salary, but then pay them a command staff stipend that is not pensionable. The command staff stipend would be they difference between the civil service rank of Lt and that of Capt, Commander, Dep Chief and Chief. They would still be able to pay into deferred comp at the combined salary/stipend but their pension would only be that of a Lt at the corresponding step. Again do it based on the average of 10 years. Similar to above but structured in a different way.
The thing that should scare any perspective command staff member, is that if this were to be voted on by the potential annuitants it would be surely voted into law because it really only affects about 90 people at any given time as that is roughly the budgeted strength of Capt commander dep chief and chief. So the other 9000 people would vote for one of these two things or something similar in nature. One might argue, it's Gona send people to other departments and they will leave. I say good riddance. Let people take the job for the right reasons.
It would likely require a special command staff tier to the pension code for new promotees after a certain date, or make it retroactive. Or make it affective Jan 1 which would force some of the idiots to retire by the end of the year to keep their benefit plan.
It just takes someone to write this up and put it to the board and see where it goes.
>>>Anonymous said...
Lt. Should be the highest pensionable rank . Lt. Should be assigned to an area , not district patrol . The Sergeant ,DSS, runs the watch .
XO/Captain. Another appointed rank for the connected should be eliminated .
9/09/2015 07:34:00 PM<<<
This had to be written by someone who could couldn't get promoted because he never read a General Order since the Academy but thinks he knows more than anyone who did.
Eliminate all leadership by experienced qualified people. No more wisdom, no more striving for excellence through legit promotion exam processes.
>>>Anonymous said...
When an exempt retires any time they have on the books is paid out at their civil service rank of Lt or Capt not their exempt salary. As far pension, I don't know how you would do that. They pay 9% of their exempt salary into the fund, just like we pay 9% of our salary into the fund. So how would you settle that? Only take 6 or 7 percent of their salary? Anybody have any ideas? Thanks.
9/09/2015 06:47:00 PM<<<
If someone gets a reduction in grade, like going from Detective back to Patrolman (this was more common years ago) they could get the pension deferential paid back to them.
At least it's not the County sheriff payroll. The jail alone has a running count of 180+ directors, and dozens of Superintendents. And Courts has dozens of assistant chiefs. And as far as Sheriff's Police is concerned, they created a spot called the Executive Officer (whatever the hell that is), along with a shitload of deputy chiefs and commanders.
The Deputy Chief did take the infamous C/O to P/O program, which is a "quasi" police certification, which the catch is, you are IL certified on paper, but due to the lack of the FTO training which is required, you cannot lateral to another department. Yep, another taxpayer wasted training program that's only reserved for juice babies, provided by the county.
Just look at this list of the bullshit "Shakman Exempt" positions that are within the CCSO They actually posted this shit for the world to see on the CCSO website!
http://cookcountysheriff.org/pdf/shakman/LIST_OF_EXEMPT_POSITIONS_081015.pdf
Anonymous said...
Phil cline makes more than enough money. Superintendent pension plus well over 100G in his "non for profit" organization
9/09/2015 09:08:00 PM
Do you think Gibson's just gives away Porterhouse steak dinners? Just the steak is $56.50! Mashed potatoes are extra.
Anonymous said...
Right before Montgomery Ward (the retail store chain) on Chicago and Larabee went belly up, all the top honchos raised their salaries and gave themselves pay raises. Looks like the same thing here.
9/09/2015 01:03:00 AM
Some astute investors on the CPD made some $$ buying up condos in that building, pre-construction.
I don't give a shit who gets gold braid, I will never get it. Go steal you pricks.
I scrolled down and see a tree trimmer for streets and san is making over $74K/ year
Do you want to know why? because Coppers don't stick together. They will jump thru hoops, and set them selves up for trouble just to get on tac or get a specific car. But when it comes to fighting for a contract. No way! DUMB!!
When an exempt retires any time they have on the books is paid out at their civil service rank of Lt or Capt not their exempt salary. As far pension, I don't know how you would do that. They pay 9% of their exempt salary into the fund, just like we pay 9% of our salary into the fund. So how would you settle that? Only take 6 or 7 percent of their salary? Anybody have any ideas? Thanks.
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Simple answer... The pension board cuts them a chec the day they retire (zero interest because we don't get interest for time on the books) for the money they paid into the fund above and beyond the civil service rank.
The base commander gets an ADDITIONAL $27,000 a year. Over a lt. If both have the same time And civil service rank.
Screw these political hacks! Take away their gold braided person!!!!!!
Let's have a symbolic vote as a union and see how it turns out.
They're just like the alderman, first responders don't Cha know. Oh, they're useless too
IN THE KNOW said...
Glad I do not live in Chicago. I would be pretty pissed to know a HUGE tax hike is coming so that I could help pay for more patronage stooges.
Like I said before, cut the Deputy Chiefs, cut down the amount of Aldermen and their staffs to 20, and just right there, you could cut out unnecessary positions and not effect day-to-day operations or services.
Do the same thing in the Board of Ed, and now you don't even need a tax hike.
CUT the BUDGET. CONSOLIDATE positions and staffs.
9/09/2015 02:40:00 AM
Of course it can't be shut down, because this fucking idiots idea of policing is putting every P.O. in a box. That includes Narcotics, Gangs and other outside units.
Signed,
Patrol Sgt.
Too many chiefs, not enough Indians.
In other words we're ridiculously short on the grunts but ridiculously bloated and top heavy on bosses.
Please don't lump Gene Roy into the pile of useless exempts.
9/09/2015 08:59:00 AM
You're absolutely right.
Useless would be a huge understatement when describing Gene.
Why is it that we have more people working in all city employees than ever and have more crime?
5 Area Deputy Chiefs. (once done with one Deputy Chief and one secretary, total staff of 2 including the Deputy.
Deputy Chiefs for north and south side detectives
Deputy Chief for Special Functions (old Frank Radke job)
A couple of misc. Deputy Chiefs who had trouble finding shit to do.
I can't think of any more
9/09/2015 07:59:00 PM
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Cmmdr Ruiz and Cmmdr Shultz were given dep rank as commanders. I know Leo is gone and Scott moved up I believe.
When an exempt retires any time they have on the books is paid out at their civil service rank of Lt or Capt not their exempt salary. As far pension, I don't know how you would do that. They pay 9% of their exempt salary into the fund, just like we pay 9% of our salary into the fund. So how would you settle that? Only take 6 or 7 percent of their salary? Anybody have any ideas? Thanks.
Easy. If you're a Lt when you get promoted up, you keep paying in at the Lt rate, if Capt, pay in at Capt rate. If you're promoted making 150,000 a yr, but as a Lt you were making 110,000, pay in 9% at Lt rate.
I'm hoping they institute the rank of Colonel
Keep in mind, the org chart has changed numerous times over the years.
In the late 90's early 2000's we had a lot more exempt rank people. And I wanna say we had in the upwards of 80 capts at one point. At one point we had Chiefs, and deputy superintendents and assistant deputy superintendents and deputy chiefs and lots of commanders And we had a lot more bullshit commander spots. I think we were up to almost 130 exempts. That's was almost 200 people.
Now we have a streamlined org chart that is simple to follow. And a lot less capts (I think we are budgeted for 32)
If you think about it, allocating roughly 120 (capts and command staff members) total for middle and upper management is not unreasonable for an organization our size (12000 sworn and civilian). 1% essentially.
When an exempt retires any time they have on the books is paid out at their civil service rank of Lt or Capt not their exempt salary. As far pension, I don't know how you would do that. They pay 9% of their exempt salary into the fund, just like we pay 9% of our salary into the fund. So how would you settle that? Only take 6 or 7 percent of their salary? Anybody have any ideas? Thanks.
Repeal the Gold Braid enhancement and return to the historical pension benefit
""There was a Pressure Cooker left in a garbage can outside of Terminal 3 Tues night at O'Hare. This was the same type of explosive device used in Boston and throughout the Middle East and Europe. It was not rigged to explode this time but had the hallmarks of a dress rehearsal. With the upcoming 9/11 Anniv coming up as well as the Jewish High Holidays it's time to take these things seriously. We live in a very dangerous world.""
Well we sprang into action like a well oiled machine and put the "WTF Plan" into action, as in "WTF is everyone talking about on the radio maybe we'd better head there", and then, "WTF do we do now". Thanks to Aviation who was a big help but between them and the 50% club there wasnt a whole lot of "WTF do we do now" there.
Trains are very nice, just get a sleeper car.
This includes the 73-year-old Deputy Chief (double-dipping retired patrolman) Marv Shear of the incomparable Bureau of Support Services. Of course he looks like a genius (and he isn't) when compared to his Chief, Eugene Williams!
Gold Braid Pensions = Legalized Bribery for shameless clout babies who have sold their $oul and $cruples to $atan. They would lock up their own mothers for jaywalking to get the perks of Chicago-style patronage.
From the BGA pension database:
Philip J Cline Chicago Police $162,972.00 37 8/4/2007 2015
Philip Cline Chicago Police $158,931.72 37 8/4/07 2013
Philip Cline Chicago Police $158,931.72 36.83 8/4/2007 2014
Philip Cline Chicago Police $134,837.88 36.88888889 8/4/07 2012
Enjoy. Anyone care to explain how Cline's pension jumped 24k in 3 years?
Hillard similar pension.
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Good question. Anyone?
And why does this database list my pension about $25,000 less than what I actually earn?
what exactly does an xo/district captain do ,look at the appearance of 3rd watch officers , waste of pension and tax dollars
Thought there already was colonels.... I want the title street deputy changed to field marshal.....
To my fact doubter from 0115.
The Management Consulting Firm that conducted the study was, Booz, Allen, & Hamilton.
The study was completed in 1992.
Rich Daley was Mayor.
Matt Rodriguez was Superintendent.
Some of the recommendations were
to close seven police districts,
close area 3 detectives (Brighton Park),
and eliminating several senior management positions including the ASSIGNING OF LIEUTENANTS INSTEAD OF CAPTAINS AS WATCH COMMANDERS.
The Mayor went through with almost none of the recommendations except for the Captains being replaced. They began making them again under a different title code a handful of years later WITHOUT the test procedure.
The Tribune article that explained the key points of the study as it pertained to the Police Dept. is in the July, 23, 1992 edition.
Anonymous Whizzo the Internet Clown said...
From the BGA pension database:
Philip J Cline Chicago Police $162,972.00 37 8/4/2007 2015
Philip Cline Chicago Police $158,931.72 37 8/4/07 2013
Philip Cline Chicago Police $158,931.72 36.83 8/4/2007 2014
Philip Cline Chicago Police $134,837.88 36.88888889 8/4/07 2012
Enjoy. Anyone care to explain how Cline's pension jumped 24k in 3 years?
Hillard similar pension.
9/10/2015 01:18:00 AM
First, one of those years, the info is wrong. Probably 2013.
Second, 3% cost of living is added each year, based on his annual salary the year he retired. (So, every year, the dollar amount the pension goes up should be the exact, same, predictable increase.)
Most, make that ALL those Deputy Chiefs are clout babies and are well connected.
No matter how bad they fuck anything or anyone* up McNumbnuts can't admit it was wrong to promote them or anger their clout bosses by demoting them. So they keep their rank, their pay raise, their pension even if all thy do is sit in an office and stare out the window and imagine where they will be the day after they retire.
The main job of these young over-merit-promoted hacks is to fill the seats at Compost meetings and carry the gospel of Rahm and his Hatchetman.
anyone* anyone important, don't make any waves
Sergeants always did the work of a Captain , why did mayor bring back captain rank , maybe to break pension fund , reward political hacks ?
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