He Was ARMED You ASSHOLES
- Mayor Rahm Emanuel and Interim Chicago Police Supt. John Escalante are expected to announce a five-step “de-escalation” approach to handling potential conflicts and standoffs, including making sure every “operational” on-duty officer is equipped with a Taser.
By June 1, 2016, every on-duty officer responding to service calls will be equipped with a Taser and trained in using it, according to an emailed statement from Chicago Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi.
Without specifically mentioning the fatal shootings of Quintonio LeGrier and Bettie Jones by a Chicago Police officer in West Garfield Park last weekend, Emanuel said the move was a long time coming.
“While recent events have brought this issue to the forefront for us all, for far too long Chicago – like cities around the country — has faced far too many incidents where officers shot and killed unarmed people,” Emanuel said in a statement. “We need a new reality.”
LeGrier had a BAT. His own "parents" say so. EVERYONE says so. That qualifies as ARMED.
Jones was an accident. Everyone says so. Apologize and pay the lady's family.
McDonald, believe it or not, was ARMED. With a knife. EVERYONE says so. The debate isn't whether or not he was armed or what his PCP-addled mental state was....he was ARMED.
An armed sane person can kill you. An armed mental can kill you. It doesn't matter. Lethal force is to be met with lethal force - that's the law. That's the training. That is nation-wide. It's even written into the Geneva Conventions for chrissake.
An now we have this shit to deal with:
Jones was an accident. Everyone says so. Apologize and pay the lady's family.
McDonald, believe it or not, was ARMED. With a knife. EVERYONE says so. The debate isn't whether or not he was armed or what his PCP-addled mental state was....he was ARMED.
An armed sane person can kill you. An armed mental can kill you. It doesn't matter. Lethal force is to be met with lethal force - that's the law. That's the training. That is nation-wide. It's even written into the Geneva Conventions for chrissake.
An now we have this shit to deal with:
- With new training, officers will be encouraged to ask themselves questions such as: “What is the full range of options for how to respond?” “Do I need to take action immediately or can I slow the situation down and buy more time?” and “Am I the best person to deal with this or should I request assistance from Specialized Units such as a Crisis Intervention Team?”
We don't know about you, but we see response times skyrocketing. "Immediate action" versus "slow down the situation"? We've always heard that "slow and steady wins the race," so we're going to be taking an awful lot of time to think these situations through. Expect calls for a Supervisor to go through the roof.
"Am I the best person to deal with this?" Nope, not by a long shot, not with the inadequate training and non-existent medical degree in Mental Health. Again, maybe if we had doctors or nurses or mental health experts riding along with us?
"Crisis Intervention Team"? You mean the crisis training that Rahm cut out of the budget a year or two ago? Training with exactly ZERO follow-up. Training that is out-of-date and continues to get farther and farther out-of-date with every passing month as medical science and literature moves forward? That training? Yeah, and subject ourselves to further interrogation in Federal Court as a so-called "40-hour expert"? No thanks.
Hey, you know who might be good at all of this? Recognizing mental health breakdowns? Seeking medical treatment for loved ones? Making sure appointments aren't missed, medicine is taken, a support network is established and is utilized in times of crisis?
How about a fucking family?
"Am I the best person to deal with this?" Nope, not by a long shot, not with the inadequate training and non-existent medical degree in Mental Health. Again, maybe if we had doctors or nurses or mental health experts riding along with us?
"Crisis Intervention Team"? You mean the crisis training that Rahm cut out of the budget a year or two ago? Training with exactly ZERO follow-up. Training that is out-of-date and continues to get farther and farther out-of-date with every passing month as medical science and literature moves forward? That training? Yeah, and subject ourselves to further interrogation in Federal Court as a so-called "40-hour expert"? No thanks.
Hey, you know who might be good at all of this? Recognizing mental health breakdowns? Seeking medical treatment for loved ones? Making sure appointments aren't missed, medicine is taken, a support network is established and is utilized in times of crisis?
How about a fucking family?
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posted by SCC at 12:35 AM
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What is three steps below fetal? That's where I'm going to be.
Blue flu
I went to check my yahoo email when I got home and this shooting was the lead story in national news.
Unbelievable how the media and the politicians have hypnotized people into thinking every police shooting involving blacks is police brutality.
Disturbance with the child, mental issues have been identified, parents calling, child off meds. Drive the speed limit and make sure you stop at every red light and every stop sign you encounter and don't forget to park the squad legally, even if you have to walk a block to the call. Do everything by the book, call for a supervisor - Sgt and/or LT - they get paid the big bucks to make decisions, call for the CI Team, follow all rules and by all means pass the buck up the ladder. Force the dispatcher to keep the caller on the line to get as much information as possible so as not to get trick bagged.
Maybe we can be issued fishing nets to throw over these nut jobs to better control them. Or maybe be issued an animal tranquilizer gun to subdue them would work great.
Before CPD critics start their incessant raging about criminals attempting to cause great bodily harm or death while armed with a knife or bludgeon (baseball bat), know that since I came on the job, fully THIRTY (30) CPD and NYPD police officers were murdered in the line of duty by INITIALLY UNARMED cop killers.
LMFAO, do I need to take action or do I wait. Sure wait, then when the offender kills someone else its your fault.
Here I will give you a great example. Back a few years back a female detective went out to a Dominicks on 87th st. There was a robbery in progress, she took the approach of, lets wait. She had a radio but did not call in for help, she was a coward and did nothing. She could of just called it in. When that armed robber got away, they found out who he was and went to his condo. Detective Airhart was shot, and left laying there for a very long time, because this coward did nothing and waited. Yes lets all just wait, wait wait and wait. Last I checked the police take action against assailants, they dont back down. But I guess backing down and taking a time out was the best thing for Detective Airhart, may god rest his soul.
"“Am I the best person to deal with this or should I request assistance from Specialized Units such as a Crisis Intervention Team?”
Well, he's basically telling you all not to do anything right there. Listen to the man.
So you are in the kitchen looking in the eyes of an irate man swinging a bat in your direction and yelling that he will beat you with it if you come any closer. You think to yourself 'this guy must be mentally unstable to be threatening a police officer with a weapon. I think I will call for a crisis intervention team to handle this.' You radio in your assessment of the situation and request this job be duped out. Then you walk backwards out of the kitchen thru the living room and out the door and get into your squad and drive away, leaving the crazy man swinging his bat with his family hiding in their locked bedrooms. Do I have this correct? If so, I think this job just got easy.
http://www.policeone.com/2015-in-review/articles/58831006-Deadly-hesitation-and-de-policing-2-troubling-trends-that-affected-officer-safety-in-2015
Rahm needs a boogey man that isn't tied to his administration, ex-cheif McCarthy, or anyone who he surrounds himself with. Blaming it on training is convenient because he can say he had no idea how outdated the training was was until now, and in the end the fault will lie with outsiders who supplied the police with faulty training courseware. Teflon mayor, can't blame him. Heads will roll, but not his own.
Rahm said on live tv he took politics out of the promotions in the department.
5D
No SHIT family. They are the BEST qualified to deal with this, like a decade before the "poor little child" becomes a raving lunatic waving a bat or a gun or a knife, and some cop has to shoot him because he's an ACTUAL THREAT.
ENOUGH, freaking savage lunatic people. If YOU fail, then the cop has to do the job for you, and YOU don't get to choose which form of defense the cop uses when you're "BABY" is waving a weapon in his face. DON'T LET YOUR BABIES GROW UP TO BE WEAPON-WAVING LUNATICS and you get to see them grow up and give you grand babies. DON'T do your job, and your baby becomes a statistic, and too fucking bad. SICK of this shit. SICK of it.
At this moment on the FOP's website, their current "top story" is about retiree health care. Are you fuckin shittin me? Are you telling me we don't have anything more pressing to talk about or to inform the members about?
What a bunch of useless motherfuckers you all are. Get out of the office or wherever the hell you are currently burning our money and get on top of this shit! Speak up, take action, do something!
We are their escape goat!!! Good luck doing our job any more..... New law that takes effect 2016, no choke holds for Law enforcement and if you are equipped with a camera it must be on. Yes Illinois state law. We have no friends, and it's a bad time to be the Police.
The city will blame it on outside training consultants who are ninja door kickers and don't understand the kinder, gentler form of police work. Look for news stories on police training dominating the news over the next few weeks, and maybe lots more blame thrown at the NRA. They are weasels and will throw anyone they can under the bus to save themselves. Think they mayor will give in and resign? Fat chance.
With new training, officers will be encouraged to ask themselves questions such as: “What is the full range of options for how to respond?” “Do I need to take action immediately or can I slow the situation down and buy more time?” and “Am I the best person to deal with this or should I request assistance from Specialized Units such as a Crisis Intervention Team..
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Sure, lets put this through a scenario.
Dad calls police because his son has a bat and is afraid of being beat with said bat.
Officer arrives and enters the residence and begins to use the new 5 step approach and asks himself..
"What is the full range of....oh shit!!!! .--cue the assailant wielding a deadly weapon aggressively coming at the officer--- **shots fired**... end of scenario. Sure, I guess it worked, right?
Nothing short of having the responding officers hold a perimeter on every similar call without ever going in to assess the situation and calling swat and a negotiator who also can handle mentals (just in case), will change the outcome of this. But then the cpd will be the bad guys when jr has all the time in the world to play home run derby with everyone inside or if he decides to come outside to confront officers . But Im sure that the new training will ensure that officers constantly retreat giving him all the room they can as he walks down the street until he finds another contestant in the home run derby. God forbid, we draw a line in the proverbial sand and stop these assholes from their reign of terror before they can hurt or kill anyone (including us).
Side note to reiterate the obvious: Tasers are a less lethal option for less lethal attacks. Politicians and knee-jerk reactionary liberals are going to get officers killed by trying to fill their heads with this fairy tale where in that 1 second that you have to deal with an assailant who has a deadly weapon, you have time and should stop and ask yourselves if there is another way to handle this (as well as at least 4 other questions). The police officer is already at a disadvantage when confronted by an individual who already has his chosen weapon in hand and already has made the decision to attack. At this point, in most situations, time to philosophize and try to come up with alternative plans is a luxury that we do not have. That is when you can only try to react in time to save your own life. Plain and simple, assess the situation as best you can given the amount of time that your assailant gives you, but respond with deadly force if your life or some one else's is threatened.
I will sacrifice myself and let the next mutt have at me. Let's see if the city pays my family
How about the hundreds of thousands of contacts/arrests we have where there is no or very little force used? Nobody is bringing that up.
So to be clear, in addition to my gun, 2 sets of cuffs, radio, baton, flashlight, vest, magazines and pepper spray. I now need to carry a mic for the dash cam video, a body camera and a taser. But I get to wear the knit hat.
It's almost like the department wants me to be a fat ass to fit all this on my belt and vest.
In the end, take your time getting to your jobs so you don't get into a preventable accident and take the report. No need for all that equipment.
I love being CPD. I hate where the vocal minority has led an honorable profession. Every profession has it's downfalls. white collar CEO's, pyramid scams, terrible DR's, the business that takes advantage of an older person, etc . The common denominator in ever subject of wrong doing is HUMANS. Crime knows no color. Bad is bad. Wrong only seeks to overthrow right. I love my job, CPD. But this city needs to realize that criminals don't have a voice. Criminals don't tell us how to stop them.
01JAN the new "street stop" reports come into effect. Guys with foresight please pass on that knowledge that every time you touch a person a report has to be done. Subject of the stop gets a copy, hard copy gets sent to an Unk review board and then you have to input that entire report into the system. With that said I've had to disclose my assets four time for lawsuits made only after crinmials were convicted. I made a lawfully arrest and still got sued. Proactive policing is gone. Back your brothers and sisters in blue, supervisors included. We/CPD will have to weather a gruesome storm come summer time. Don't be the Test dummy for the city. God bless LEO's nationwide.
You will soon be required to have an acoustic guitar in your squads, in order to calm them down with camp fire songs good will and unicorn farts.
Where is the LIKE button. Great Post. I agree 100%
I'm Retiring , See Ya , They can keep all there Bullshit
DCFS began investigating Cooksey in April 2002 after her son’s school reported “abrasions to his face and back of his head,” according to child-welfare records. A few months later, in July, child-welfare workers had police remove him from his mother’s care after Cooksey called a caseworker “and told her that she could not stand it any longer and that she was going to kill her son.”
Another mother that lost custody of their kid... real surprise
Rahm is grasping at straws to keep the state of affairs in
this city from being all about him and his intentional decisions to:
Steal nearly a Billion dollars from CPD by diversion of budgeted
monies allocated for hiring, actual training, badly needed equipment,
and the like.
Running the department on the cheap...
No matter how many lives were lost.
This whole "Police Are Out of Control"
narrative is bullshit and diversion.
So fucking what? Rahm wants everybody to have a TASER.
Remember the screaming from the "Communerty" when TASERs
were rolled out in numbers back in '07'08?
"Y'all killin' owwa black mens with them thangs! Y'all
be knowin' we have heart problems an' shit!"
What was that?
"Excited Delirium?"
Now Rahm in his relentless pursuit of pandering
wants to insert all manner of dumb-shit into the
Use of Force Model because the feeling is that
Policemen in Chicago are too "Warrior Cultured" and
focused on surviving encounters with bad people
and going home to their families in one piece?
Chicago is a vicious, evil, nasty, unrelentingly
violent and bloody place to Police.
The cowards in elected office have decided that
It's easier to beat the Police into a corner instead
of addressing the Culture of Death.
Rahm talks plenteous shit about this
"effective supervision and accountability"
for Policemen but nobody can give a clear answer on
what these consist of.
How come this isn't the damning indictment on Rahm's
job performance as mayor?
A scared little man doing his damndest to keep the agenda
Spotlight off his failings as a leader.
A masterful job of avoidance, dodging and deflection ...
A family? What's that?
When kids have kids, and the 'daddy' takes off to go out muh dikin' some more with other kids (ad nauseum), they get raised by the streets, fed by the Government, and F' the Police!
Right? They don't learn anything about FAMILY VALUES. Nothing. Not a damn thing.
Forget this crap. You want someone to evaluate them - well, you better get a Medical Doctor or a Shrink with you on all the domestic insanity super duper whacko crazy nutjob calls.
Let the Dr. say "ummm, he's fucked. Shoot him" or "well, I can talk to him..."
Then you're all good. Right? Right?
Because the only other choice is to just not shoot anyone. Take the report about what happened, and get the hell out of there. Let nature take it's course. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, but you don't get sued if you don't so fuck it. Don't.
If you've got a split second to decide whether some asshole's caving in your head with a baseball bat or not - you don't go through a five step plan - you go through a three step plan:
Draw from holster
Acquire target
Pull the trigger until the target stops moving and the threat is ended.
And that happens in less than 2 seconds... What Tiny Dancer has proposed will get cops killed - and someone remind me, what are his Law Enforcement Credentials again?
These implementations will get someone hurt, P.O.s will start second guessing themselves. Maybe it's time we let it get out if hand so they can see us as hero's again.
Police Use of Force STILL governed by
ILCS no matter how much make believe
and bullshit Rahm and the BLM mob try
to smother it in...
New Captains class starting Monday!! Good Luck to whatever District she ends up in. That is all I will say!
Yes rahmbo eliminated many mental health related things in light of his cost-cutting budget. Will any media outlet cover this?
I truly feel so bad for my brothers and sisters in blue who still have to put up with this lunacy. On this New Years Eve allow me to offer a bit of advice from my military years, remember "All incoming rounds have the right of way". Use the new reality and recognize the policing template that has been suggested here.
It is going to get very very ugly very quickly so please stay safe, be strong and be FETAL. Your survival will depend on it.
Gone are the days of the "20-Zebra" code. I will be praying for you all tonight. God bless you all and keep you from harm.
How about a family?
Their "father" is LBJ & the babymomma is the democrap party.
Why professionals are trained to hit center mass.....
https://www.michaelyon-online.com/gates-of-fire.htm
Rahm where have you been for the last four years?
Saw your girl barb west, along with her aldermanic sponsors behind Rahm yesterday. Is this the female black that all the aldermen want for supt?
Make your choice Po: Use Force Go to Jail
Don't Use Force end up in a Box
Either Way a Win Win
This is serious
Rham wants his Armed Security Platoon t protect him and his Family
But He could give a Rats Ass about Cops Families
Rhams Video Tape Cover up
Let's break this down.
“What is the full range of options for how to respond?” Put the car in park and think though all of the options. Then, after careful consideration, drive carefully to the scene while obeying all traffic laws. That should allow all parties who called for the police to calm down and go through the same process of careful consideration themselves. Democrats on the West and South Sides should be particularly good at this.
“Do I need to take action immediately or can I slow the situation down and buy more time?” Slow down and buy more time is always the more careful and safer way to handle any police call. Respond on the radio and count to ten so that you can calm down. Then drive slowly and carefully to the scene to buy more time. Slowing down to buy more time has been called for and giving the public what they want is the best option here. Always buy more time so that the situation can resolve itself.
“Am I the best person to deal with this or should I request assistance from Specialized Units such as a Crisis Intervention Team?” I am never the best person to deal with calls for service. There is always a better person to handle other people's problems. I'll take my time and thumb through the FOP book looking for that better person to punt that call to. Once you find the better person or unit, get on the radio and make sure that they are notified. If required to proceed to the scene, count to ten to calm down and proceed slowly and safely to the scene, giving the other person or unit time to get there first.
Seems like the general populace (in some neighborhoods) still needs to be hand carried through life. The 911 calls say " Solve my life!"
Citizen comment: I heard Rahms plan for the police. What I DID NOT hear is Rahms plan for the community. Listen Rahm, I want to know your plan for dealing with people who when ordered to DROP THE GUN instead turn and point it at the police or even fire shots in response. I want to know your plan and the plan for the impoverished, ignorant community when anyone of those assholes is given a lawful command by a uniformed officer to comply with the order like most of us do rather than resist the police. Teach them like we learned if you have a problem with the police, you sort it out in court or in my experience, I pay the fine and move on. The root of the problem Rahm is NOT THE police, it is the community. Figure out a way to train the community on how to deal with the police rather than the police to deal with the community. The police alredy know how, the community does not. And while you are at it, figure out a way to train the community in other ways of civilized behavior. Like when they are shopping, eating in a restaurant, riding on public transit or merely walking down the street. In my encounters, the issue is obviously the community has not learned to behave as normal, well adjusted human beings. And a comment on the first blog post; agreed. Do NOT risk your lives to be aggressive tonight in this climate. Eventually, Chicago and other big cities will go the way of Detroit. There is NOTHING the police can do to stop that as history has demonstrated.
Ok,Mr. Mayor, I suggest you dress yourself in a police uniform,
hop in a unit with an officer, and do a couple of shifts. Now, I admit that I've never been an officer, but can pretty much guarantee that all anyone is going to see is that uniform you're wearing. No one is going to recognize you for a second or two. Now, you tell me if that bat is a weapon or not!
Not as if you need more reasons to despise Rahm, but did you catch The New Yorker article on him? (http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-sudden-but-well-deserved-fall-of-rahm-emanuel?intcid=mod-latest) How can someone who has been so consistently wrong be so successful for so long? Money and power.
Coming up, you'll be taught to follow U.N. rules of engagement. Where one can only fire if fired upon.
I like how Rham has made this a police problem? Didn't he and the county board president close all those mental treatment centers? Hey media next news conference ask Rham that? If this is a medical issue start sending ems to these calls!
I wonder what the media and department will say when someone dies from a taser deployment. The thing most people don't understand is that a lot of the people/folks that are acting irrational are high on some sort of drug. What happens for instance if some hulking man is acting out on people/folks on the street , because he has been up for 3 days smoking rocks ? Now his heart has already sustained some sort of trauma from the cocaine and now we the police send 50,000 watts of electricity into him. That may pose a problem to his heart and send him into full cardiac arrest. See the problem with these politicians, media and citizens is that they never have dealt with the the shit we have to. They probably have never even seen this type of stuff , but here we are with someone not understanding this job dictating policy.
So, before you use lethal force you must be the victim.
You as a police officer must be shot or stabbed before you can use your weapon to defend yourself or another.
Keep that in mind.
The famous line, "never bring a knife to a gunfight" has been superseded by technology. Now "it's never bring a taser to a gunfight." I hope to never hear of, or see that on an officer's tombstone.
A twin lakes wisc man used a baseball bat in a domestic in the last week and put his victim on life support- I carry a baseball bat in addition to my gun and have never been bothered while carrying it. "It's only a baseball ball bat" yeah right - what's next - it was only a. 9 mm -it was only a 32 - how about it's a deadly weapon and needs to be met with deadly force
Rahm and Escalante are going to get a police officer killed. When someone is an assailant, you take that threat out. Done deal. You don't question yourself about your use of force.
On a side note I can't believe anyone not already on this job with any time one would come on this job. Who in their right mind would come on this job nowadays? Now Rauner is talking about Tier 3 pensions? Are you kidding me? And now you are going to have to Taser someone unless it's clearly gun. Someone starts advancing on you with a knife, bat or other bludgeon and you have to make sure your Taser is used first? With a Taser you clearly have one shot. No automatics pulls of the second cartridge. And if he's unresponsive or you miss or the prongs don't make contact? Now you are getting beat and may not have a second chance to fire. What if dude is like Bautista? 6'6" 280 lbs and eats steroids like they are granola bars? And he is unarmed, pissed off and on PCP as well? And wants to rip your arms off with his bare hands? Oh and his 'unarmed' bare hands BTW. So you just have to get killed because he is 'unarmed'? Gosh I am so glad I have my 19 years come August with my two years of military time because I am going. Billay if you are reading this good luck to you pal.
Seattle PD already went through what we're about to go through. Here's just one part of their updated use of force.
http://www.seattle.gov/police-manual/title-8---use-of-force/8100---de-escalation
Just replace "Seattle Police" with "Chicago Police" and the dates and you have the article that will be written about us in a few years.
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/judge-oks-new-seattle-police-policy-on-use-of-force/
General public, please understand that using lethal force as the last resort has been and will continue to be the norm for Chicago cops. Deescalating situations is nothing new; this happens all the time in every police district on every watch. Don't think ANY cop, here or anywhere else, easily makes the decision to potentially kill someone. This isn't Hollywood where the good guy kills a bad guy and then moves onto the next mission like a video game. For anyone that's killed someone while serving in law enforcement or the military, there's a profound, ugly aftermath that the person has to deal with, something rarely portrayed on TV or in the movies.
A kenosha man attacked his mother with a pipe and a shovel on Wednesday but left before police arrived- again "just a pipe" "just a shovel"? No- a deadly weapon again
How deep can the taser barbs go into a winter coat? I remember when they first sent Sgt.s to training to carry them. When they came back they were betting on who would use them first!
I voted for chuy
From now on EVERY CALL of a mental should be met wit with "10-4 squad, send a crisis intervention person immediately."
Let's not forget that Rahm closed six mental health centers. He had to provide more money for the 1 percent privatizers. The Chicago Lives Healthy for police supervisors and civilians is an even bigger waste of money because they won't even provide biometric screenings anymore, they'll just use the information from last year. This is a waste of taxpayer money. The in person presentations aren't helpful and the articles on their website are outdated.
Rahm shut down and slashed the budget on mental health facilities. This is what happens, and police have to deal with his decisions and fallout that results. Hope you enjoyed your junket trip
Remind all these people that think what happens on TV is real what Joe Don Baker was able to do in walking tall. Clint Eastwood in the Unforgiven.
Ask the Israeli police about people with knives.
Just wait SCC. Force Mitigation is coming. The order is written and ready to drop any day.
FORCE MITIGATION 03-02-02
In a nutshell(pun intended). You are no longer allowed to use force to effect an arrest if the charge is not serious enough. Weighing the charges is now a factor in use of force scenarios. You are also instructed to use time, distance, and verbal commands exclusively and just sit and wait. That mental you need to transport......only way you get him in the wagon is when he goes himself, You are not allowed to use physical force any longer. You are to surround and contain him. Wait it out. Take cover. Those subjects who refuse to obey verbal commands, Nothing you can do any longer, department wants you to talk and hug it out til the bad guy wants to put the cuffs on himself. This new order will be devastating to any new officer going through training. It mandates you second guess yourself and adds way more things to consider than just the bad guys actions. It will make people hesitate.
Wait Til you all see the wording in their gem. They try and dissect the use of force chart and mandate actions. Every piece of instruction and rule is open ended for them to hang you on. TURN THE LIGHTS OFF
for those of you liberal a-holes who don't think a baseball bat can kill you may I suggest that you watch the final scene in the movie "casino" when nicky santoro n his brother get wacked
I have found that the best five step program is five shots from a .38 snub.
The media want the City to burn.
I know me and my cohort in blue are paid assassins who love driving around in the HOOD waiting for someone to pick up objects and charge at me like a madman.
I love pointing my 9mm at 9 goofs in a car trying to hide a baggy of coke in a girls bra while the smart banger in back drops the gun under the front seat of the brain dead driver. Of course the car is hot because the car was rented from Hertz and never returned"DAT AINT A CRIME"
My training on autistic kids who snort powder and drink cognac out of the bottle is lacking they seem to be hard of hearing thou?
My fluffy stomach will protect me from goofs that stab squad car tires because I am like the Wolverine in the Xmen.
Sometimes when a gun is pointed at me and the female victim turns against me I GETS kinda nervous and I miss my target My terminator targeting system must not be functioning kinda like my dashboard camera.
But i Learn fast RAHM AND ANITA the saying better late then never was a weird saying but it holds true today.
When an officer is confronted by an armed assailant, the only "de-escalation" is to put three rounds into his chest.
Will the training be lead by such superior candidates as Walsh or Saleme or Cirone. You let them certify the detectives and look what happened to them with all of their pre thinking concepts. Do I continue harassing this young lady? Do I drive away? Do I go back and alter the plate number she recorded? Do I initiate and send emails about how to cover up this high profile case? Do I hit on the offender believing that there was no way she was involved because of her beauty and extensive pole dancing experience even though we tracked the victims phones to her and her residence. Do I tell detectives what to write in their reports as it fits my clearing rate or do I take people or folks for long walks till the say what I want them to say?
Oh yeah and quit putting your foot up on the desk while I'm sitting in the chair a t the same desk cause everybody can see the urine stains on your khaki pants you goof. You don't look cool you look like a kid who doesn't know how to relieve himself with out dripping it all over. May be you should see a doctor about that "drips"?
I hope you have better candidates than these.
coppers will be shot and killed because of this dogooder bullshit.
With new training, officers will be encouraged to ask themselves questions such as: “What is the full range of options for how to respond?” “Do I need to take action immediately or can I slow the situation down and buy more time?” and “ If the conflict is minor and does require police intervention, should I just leave the scene?”
I'll be opting for the last one more often than not! My working days are over.
Taser? Isn't that the company that pays Ex Supt.Terry
big money to be their front man? Gee, what a coincidence. Nothing to see her, just move along. Chicago still works if your connected.
OT, but related -
Good commentary - my wife used to teach at Dunbar. The article hits home
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-dunbar-violence-black-lives-matter-20151231-story.html#
I have no room on my belt for a taser!
Many Sgt's say "Don't call me for shit"! So a lot of P.O.'s are left on their own.
This pretty much sums it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-V2arHXwq8
Police Use of Force STILL governed by
ILCS no matter how much make believe
and bullshit Rahm and the BLM mob try
to smother it in...
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Yes it your 85k a year job, family, and ability to have another career will be ruined when they throw you under the bus administratively and fire your ass for violating department policy fit not choosing force mitigation techniques. While you won't end up in prison behind grey bars, you will be in another type of economical and social prison. Good luck finding a job after they plaster your name al over the papers and Internet. Stay in the car and do nothing.
Didn't Daley's kid try to kill someone with a bat in Michigan?
rahm to little to late
you heard the police requesting a taser
you could care less about anyone but the 1% that donate millions
mayor rahm used $4,900,000 of our money to pay off ,cover up , settle with a person that did not file a law suit , 47 alderman approved it
something stinks , time for mayoral and aldermanic recall
black caucus is now silent , they got some crumbs
black commanders and chiefs
the poor are still poor , children shot down , drug sales everywhere in the ghetto
rahm will your body guard detail wear a camera , carry a taser or if you are threatened you rather have them protect you and use a glock
what about a dash camera , let the public see your disregard for traffic laws
speed and red light cameras for the children
Citizen comment: I heard Rahms plan for the police. What I DID NOT hear is Rahms plan for the community. Listen Rahm, I want to know your plan for dealing with people who when ordered to DROP THE GUN instead turn and point it at the police or even fire shots in response. I want to know your plan and the plan for the impoverished, ignorant community when anyone of those assholes is given a lawful command by a uniformed officer to comply with the order like most of us do rather than resist the police. Teach them like we learned if you have a problem with the police, you sort it out in court or in my experience, I pay the fine and move on. The root of the problem Rahm is NOT THE police, it is the community. Figure out a way to train the community on how to deal with the police rather than the police to deal with the community. The police alredy know how, the community does not. And while you are at it, figure out a way to train the community in other ways of civilized behavior. Like when they are shopping, eating in a restaurant, riding on public transit or merely walking down the street. In my encounters, the issue is obviously the community has not learned to behave as normal, well adjusted human beings. And a comment on the first blog post; agreed. Do NOT risk your lives to be aggressive tonight in this climate. Eventually, Chicago and other big cities will go the way of Detroit. There is NOTHING the police can do to stop that as history has demonstrated.
12/31/2015 06:44:00 AM
Truer words were never spoken. It is not a police problem. It is a community of ig'nant people's problem who don't know how to act or behave and don't think they have to. Personally, I'm sick of their shit. And I'm sick of the politicians reinforcing their ignorance and sub-human behavior. And I will be using my voting rights to reflect my displeasure next year.
Not a copper.
OK boy and girls I know it going only to get harder to do police work. Arming everone with a teaser sounds good to the politicians but that fact of the matter is they often fails to take an offender down based on clothing or drugs.
I think the mayor should be made to confront a drugged crazy person who is intent on mayhem and armed with a baseball bat. The mayor would be pulling the trigger or running away if possible . Don't get hurt this old retired guy says slow down wait for help, slow down call the fire department, slow down call a supervisor. Write that report slow down check every word, slow down go home to you loved good luck God bless stay safe
In retrospect, it looks like the police should have let the son beat the father to a bloody pulp. I mean the father created this piece of shit, so let him take the beating and leave the police and the city out of it.
Anonymous said...
Will the training be lead by such superior candidates as Walsh or Saleme or Cirone. You let them certify the detectives and look what happened to them with all of their pre thinking concepts. Do I continue harassing this young lady? Do I drive away? Do I go back and alter the plate number she recorded? Do I initiate and send emails about how to cover up this high profile case? Do I hit on the offender believing that there was no way she was involved because of her beauty and extensive pole dancing experience even though we tracked the victims phones to her and her residence. Do I tell detectives what to write in their reports as it fits my clearing rate or do I take people or folks for long walks till the say what I want them to say?
Oh yeah and quit putting your foot up on the desk while I'm sitting in the chair a t the same desk cause everybody can see the urine stains on your khaki pants you goof. You don't look cool you look like a kid who doesn't know how to relieve himself with out dripping it all over. May be you should see a doctor about that "drips"?
I hope you have better candidates than these.
12/31/2015 09:57:00 AM
taking care of daleys felon nephew has it rewards! Wonder how long until the feds ask them to "come on down" nope not to price is right show but to the new show"219 S. Dearborn!"
Good commentary - my wife used to teach at Dunbar. The article hits home
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-dunbar-violence-black-lives-matter-20151231-story.html#
Good article. I think the author was a Kass guy
Yo "G" oversight guys, follow the (Taser) $$$$
FAMILY!? You ask the average black gangbanger thug that question and they probably will blame you and the ENTIRE white race for taking away their opportunity for having one. If we must blame a white person let us blame the REAL source of the problem, it all falls on President Lyndon B. Johnson and his miraculous "FOOD STAMP PROGRAM." It also trickled down to planned parent hood and a slew of other programs that showed that there was no need for "families" of the family unit. Pregnant? Don't worry, you don't need a man in your life to help raise a kid, the U.S. Government with do it for you! Pregnant? Don't worry, the U.S. Government will help you rid yourself of the burden by making you believe that it is just a growth-a piece of unwanted tissue that needs to be extracted. Sound about right?
Over here alvarez is asking the FBI to look into the shooting of the attacker with the bat she says she does not know weather to charge copper or not! Strangely race of copper is not plastered all over the news, the copper must not be "white" thank God! So Anita does not know what to do? It's all about protecting her job, she could careless weather coppers go to prison for a long time, she has no feelings for police who have an extremely tough job, while Anita sits in her office feeling all powerful, while toni (racist) spouts off about all the black and brown criminal felons being locked up! Hey Toni how many of these folks live near you? How many armed guards do you have? how many armed guards does the mayor have? Do they carry guns? Or tasers? Do they have body cameras? If not why not??
State's Atty. Alvarez asks FBI to join investigation of fatal police shooting of 2
ook County State's Attorney Anita Alvarez said Thursday she has asked the FBI to help investigate the fatal shooting of two people by a Chicago police officer who was answering a domestic disturbance call on the West Side last weekend.
A law enforcement source has said Quintonio LeGrier, 19, was shot early last Saturday morning as he approached the officer, swinging a metal bat. Bettie Jones, 55, was shot by accident as she stood behind him near the front door of a two-flat in the West Garfield Park neighborhood.
The shooting is being investigated by the Chicago Independent Police Review Authority, but Alvarez said in a statement she has asked the FBI to join the case.
"This is a deeply disturbing incident that demands a very deliberate and meticulous independent investigation," she said in the statement. "At this stage, the investigation is being conducted by IPRA, but my office has also contacted the FBI to request their involvement as well."
She said her office "will review the results of the investigation when they are presented. . .and will determine if any criminal charges are warranted."
Alvarez faced intense criticism for waiting more than a year to file murder charges against a Chicago police officer who shot and killed 17-year-old Laquan McDonald as the teen walked down the middle of a street with a knife in his hand. The officer fired 16 times, emptying his gun.
n the wake of the McDonald shooting, the Department of Justice said it is investigating whether Chicago police have systematically violated peoples' civil rights. The shooting of LeGrier and Jones came about a month after the McDonald video was released.
The officer in that shooting has told authorities LeGrier ran out of the building, swinging a bat at the officers, as he and his partner arrived at the West Garfield Park home, according to a law enforcement source.
The officer fired at the teen several times, fatally striking him. But the officer also fatally shot in the chest Bettie Jones, a downstairs neighbor who the law enforcement source said was standing in the doorway behind the teen. The officer later said he didn't see her.
If Barb West becomes Superintendent,ya'all might as well quit or retire...The only skill set she has is the ability to sleep on the job.
Rahm and every other political entity continues to bash and blame the CPD for all the violence that plagues the south and west sides.
He (like his pal oBonjo) won't acknowledge who the enemy is or where the problems incubate. (jobs and education, right?) Raise a baseball bat to any politician and see what they'd expect. Throw rocks and tree branches at an alderstool's house and see what he expects.
Rahm's simple translation is that the lowly (overworked) CPD Patrolman is the evil trigger happy uneducated devil without any clue how to "de-escalate" a violent situation. And he is going to change that by placating, pacifying and apologizing to the loud mouth troublemakers.
Oh and then there's PrickWrinkle who firmly believes it's a White conspiracy of racism and murder.
I'm glad I didn't vote for Rahm, as he continues to blame the beat cop and not the politically appointed Merit supervisory and command staff for every single police action that the Community doesn't approve of.
Nice way to make friends Rahm, it's not the taxpayers you support just the big mouth ignoramus.
Even as Sharptoon (the guy who sits right next to Obongo on his civil rights committee) chants amongst the BLMs for Rahms ouster, he still gives them folks a forum. Mm-mm-mm.
Please STOP the proactive practice, Call in Sick.
Training for the Dept of Aviation Police in case of Active Shooter incidents -
RUN AND HIDE. http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/30/us/unarmed-aviation-officers/
How long will it be before the use of force model will be modified to show the following responses to offender actions:
Run 1st option to be used
Hide 2nd option
Fight Only as a last resort.
And still the FOP remains silent
Back a few years when rahm was first in office, rahm didn't see the need for tazers. To much money. None of his family members had a company that sold tazers.
"A scared little man doing his damndest to keep the agenda
Spotlight off his failings as a leader."
Exactly. At the end of the day, what actual marketable skills does the Ballerina have? None. Zilch. Nada. Not unless you count the ability to convert BS into dollars. And where else besides mayor of Chicago could he be paid nearly as much for doing so little?
Of course he's scared. And mean, small, petty, crooked, conniving and full of delusions of grandeur. And don't forget vengeful. Quickest way out of a jam is to point the finger at someone else.
So you've gotta ask yourselves, with all the other places he could have pointed half a finger---media, black coalition, city council, etc---why did he choose CPD?
Pretty obvious, isn't it? He picked on the group least able to defend itself. Organizationally weak, riddled with internal politics, already a media target, understaffed, underfunded, and backed by an essentially non-existent union. The perfect patsy.
Is this the time for SCC to collect some donations towards running a full page ad in the Trib that lays out "the rest of the story?"
I don't see this as police targeting African-Americans as my absolute fear that some asshole will kill my black grandchildren. My eldest was an idiot and the local police stepped in and helped him. Their response was not kindly but manly and he has his MBA and is going for a law degree. My middle son is in prison for driving on a suspended license and I do not blame the police. He did it over and over again and deserved what he got, this is on him. I do know what is fair and if, God forbid, one of my children had a a weapon and challenged an officer, if would be on them. It would break my heart, but I would not expect the police, if their lives were threatened,to act otherwise. I appreciate the police. When I see something wrong in my neighborhood, when I call for help, they come. My daughter-in-law's sister is a Chicago officer and I honor her service. Bats, guns, knives, are weapons. Thank you for your service and for keeping us safe. All of you be safe and I see through the bullshit, know what a difficult job you do have. Thank you.
DE-Policing 2016
Get on the bus or get thrown under the bus!
Regarding the bat=deadly weapon. The media and the sound bytes they televise from the public say "it was only a bat", etc. Some years back a female CPD was off duty and attacked by her violent boyfriend in her home. She was killed. The weapon used was a bat or blunt object. The crime scene photographs are used in training for a blood spatter class. I wish the public could see the aftermath of a bat attack.
Nothing in that order addresses the actions of an assailant.
They should change the definition of de-escalation to "it is cheaper to pay the benefits of a deceased police member and funeral than paying out to the family of a deceased assailant."
Sad.
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Seattle PD already went through what we're about to go through. Here's just one part of their updated use of force.
The two problems here are: The "community" has been given too much leeway in the argument by squishy politicians and the biased media, and Rahm etc. are masters at dodging political jabs like prizefighters dancing around the mat, unconcerned with who or what they step on in the process. The media and politicians continue to "look out for the little guy", in this case thugs and scum, and Rahm certainly isn't going to take the fall or challenge the narrative, not when his career is on the line, so he furthers the narrative, and puts it on the only other party involved: the cops. (and of course, more broadly, "white privilege", which is just another way of impugning high standards)
Until sanity is restored, and bad guys are recognized as bad guys...until the media becomes honest and starts pushing back against the narrative of the shifty "community organizers", whose "organization" more resembles the Mob/unions in their unwillingness to take an introspective look at their OWN deficiencies...and of course, until politicians become advocates for WHAT'S RIGHT, as opposed to advocates for their personal advancement....we're fucked.
Cops, my only advice is, don't respond to a single call without requesting over the radio for CI or someone "more qualified" to handle the situation. This would seem to be the only way to put it back in Rahm's court. If the shit hits the fan, well, you tried, and the requested support from on-high wasn't forthcoming.
I just have to say I love you I love you I love you ssc. I too do not understand the stupidity of people to believe and buy into crap. Chicago has what a little over 12,000 officers and 1% is 120 which I do not believe even 120 bad cops have been revealed, so probably under 1 % you have a problem but our media and mayor make it sound like 99% are problematic. So for under 1 % we throw our entire Police world under the bus??? Stay strong and remember many love you all for your service. I promise you are so valuable and right will eventually prevail. Hang in there and know you are loved and appreciated and f the haters! Happy New Year- citizen with a brain
F&+k you Rahm you useless pick of sh!t. Shame on you John for agreeing with the ass. What are you gonna say to the wife, husband, mother, father or children when their loved one is killed because of your asinine "Oh he/she hesitated." It's going to happen, YOU KNOW IT. I'm extremely disappointed that you would go along with some bullshit appeasement thrown together because these F-up shitheads criminals keep doing the wrong thing. I remember your bitching back in the day as a patrolman in 009 John.
I hope this fucked up committee who picks the next super elects three female blacks. When they can't do anything, because it's not the police fault, the world will see it these crap ass liberals and criminals fault which they refuse to admit to. God, my count down clock can't go fast enough.
While speaking to a defense lawyer the other day about this new policy, he told me he's going to have a field day with this report. Let's say you legally stop three guys on a corner from a call. Now you have to fill three individual forms, how long will this take, 10-15 minutes. Now the lawyer says you didn't stop his client, you've now detained him for an inordinate amount of time. What is Rhambo going to do when all these false arrests, this is how the defense will put it, lead to hundreds of thousands of money, "just to get rid of them", paid out from ANY stop.
All this because you jerry rig this stupid policy to appease the ACLU who is going to use it and screw you right back. You continue to amaze the law abiding citizens of this city and country. And you want to run for higher office. Please do and very soon.
We will probably get the new award that the LAPD gets.
The Preservation of Life Award.
No kidding. This award is given to an officer who could-a, should-a, would-a or might have killed some disserving asshole but didn't leaving said asshole to continue to steal, rape, murder and vote Democratic.
There's also something called Intent. Asshole.
Anonymous said...
I voted for chuy
12/31/2015 08:41:00 AM
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I regret voting for Chuy after seeing him marching with the BLM rabble rousers. Never thought I"d say this, but I'm glad that Rahm won.
At this moment on the FOP's website, their current "top story" is about retiree health care. Are you fuckin shittin me? Are you telling me we don't have anything more pressing to talk about or to inform the members about?
What a bunch of useless motherfuckers you all are. Get out of the office or wherever the hell you are currently burning our money and get on top of this shit! Speak up, take action, do something!
12/31/2015 01:22:00 AM
My dad became a cop in 1968. He retired in 2002. I followed in his foot steps in 2003. My parents have been married for 50 years. Since my dad retired, he has been diagnosed and treated for bladder cancer 3 times. Prior to retirement, he had quadruple heart bypass surgery and an abdominal aortic aneurysm. My mother had liver cancer twice and breast cancer. I can not begin to tell you how much they have spent with surgery, recovery and testing every 6 months. My dad brings home $3,200.00 a month now. Their insurance is $1,800.00 a month with a $5,000 per person co-pay a year. They have a co-pay based prescriptions which varies across the board. I can not even begin to tell you the arguments they have with insurance and the money they pay out each month. Should I also bring into play the property tax hikes? Gas? Electric? Phone? All I can say is I'm happy their house is paid off because they do not have much at the end of the month. The retirees are fighting their own battles. They have been our foundation and fought for the benefits we have now. Someday you will retire. Someday you will battle the same war that my parents are. The current fight for retiree benefits will affect you also. This is a matter that should be addressed now because you will be affected in the future. I am thankful that they addressed this issue in the letter. My parents have been calling me and asking me what is going on because they have just received a letter from The retirement board that the insurance is going up an additional 400.00 because the city is trying to fight the bill that was just passed through state senate. Right now, this may mean nothing to you. Right now, I see the effects it will have on all of us in the future. Right now I see what is happening to the men and woman who have served before us who have paved the way for the great benifits we currently have. If we stop fighting now, we will defiantly lose this war. Please have compassion for our retirees. As I said before, this will have no affect on you now, but believe me, this argument that the FOP is fighting is part of your future.
I thought that Det. Airhart was shot by a wanted bank robber.
Knew a Cop who could have shot an offender dead..instead he used less-than-lethal force, a taser. Dude goes down, does a face plant on the sidewalk, loses his eyeball as a result. Files a lawsuit against all the police on scene.
This job is being taken over and run by a bunch of radical, liberal, anti-police zealot politicians and civilians, who think they are all use of force experts. Fuck them!
Loved the "we will train the police when to use deadly force and when not too"
I never carried a Taser because I never wanted to be stuck with a Taser in my hand when I needed a real gun. Therefore, I never carried a Taser.
Anonymous said...
You will soon be required to have an acoustic guitar in your squads, in order to calm them down with camp fire songs good will and unicorn farts.
Needed repeating...lol....almost spit out my non alcoholic beverage.
retired suburban PO here, 25 year on the job
in a suburb that touched on the south end of
Chicago............
Had my share of stuff on the job, but give you CPD guys a hat's off for what you do.........
but please stay ROD.. retired on duty, if you have 29 years or 29 days left on the job
stay safe, go home to your spouse(even an old timer like me is politically correct for those checking up on me), your kids, and even the dog.
Screw the a-holes out there that could care less about you, but only want to hang you if it means $$$$$$.
Retire like me to a place that has less than 18,000 population in the entire county and we like the police up here.
Just to show you, wife did something "not so bright" involving a wood burning stove. Local FD called/problem solved/lesson learned/all ok.
County sheriff deputy showed up as sop. Saw doubled barrel side by side and M-1 carbine by front door.
His question to me was if it was a genuine WWII carbine or a later model knockoff.
We enjoyed a cup of coffee and had a great time.
The young deputy will be stopping by more often for coffee in the future.
Turns out he belongs to the same gun club I belong to
Moral of the story is there are a lot of decent people in this world. Trouble is other than the guys of CPD and CFD there are almost none of them left in Chicago, other than my daughter who is a speech path and works for CPS. First year on the job and she thinks she will save the world.................she'll learn, hopefully sooner than later.
YOU IN BLUE, STAY SAFE GUYS AND GALS
Just a thought, but shouldn't the public have some sort of fear of consequences for breaking the law? And shouldn't those consequences get worse as the criminal offenses increase in severity? And shouldn't they fear that if they will be killed if they threaten the lives of police officers or anyone else by way of an attack? This is getting ridiculous.
"Police Use of Force STILL governed by
ILCS no matter how much make believe
and bullshit Rahm and the BLM mob try
to smother it in..."
All that means is that while you may not go to prison, you will still probably go to the poorhouse as you lose you livelyhood.
You can be fired for a use of force that is compliant with the law. But if it violates Department policy (or shows up on the network news) you can still be fired.
Stay fetal.
How about placing much of the responsibility with the Combine
(Rainer, Madigan, Culerton, Emmanuel, etc.) for cutting the mental
health budget to nothing, in this case and many others.
My heart bleeds for the men and women in blue who are expected to
identify and then develop a treatment plan in a crisis situation
without adequate information for mentally ill citizens!in a matter of seconds.
Our police are expected to do what mental health professionals
with decades of training and practice might be able to do with
case info on a specific individual and with adequate planning time.
The police are not the appropriate agency to deal with these situations.
Of course we might expect some tragic results. But those results are
due to police being put in situations created by politicians.
I am sickened by the abuse being heaped upon our police while the
politicians who create these impossible situations
blame those who are putting their lives on the line.
Not the police, but raised by the police and have
seen the sacrifice first hand.
Thank you men and women of the CPD for your
service. God bless.
FORCE MITIGATION 03-02-02
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Please be true. This totally validates the "I aint doing shit" philosophy that they are pushing us towards.
P.O. responds to a call.
Officer: "What is that mr. citizen??? You want him arrested?? Sure, sign this complaint. Ok mr offender, put your hands behind your back".
Mr. offender: "No".
Officer: "Whats your name?"
Mr. offender "I aint telling you shit"
Officer to victim: "Well, Im sorry mr citizen, i tried. Here is your report number and the instructions on how to get an arrest warrant in case you get his information. But we still wont be able to serve the warrant unless he cooperates. Good luck in your future judicial endeavors and have a nice day."
Anonymous Anonymous said...
for those of you liberal a-holes who don't think a baseball bat can kill you may I suggest that you watch the final scene in the movie "casino" when nicky santoro n his brother get wacked
12/31/2015 09:15:00 AM
Yes, because choreographed stunt men and great makeup really prove the point that a baseball bat can be lethal.
What is wrong with the media by attacking police officers they are destroying the glue the holds society together.
08:32am - Good point, heavy winter clothing can repel one/or both darts. Even ballistics studies on cold weather garments have raised concerns with ammo such as the .38 cal full lead hollow point us revolerasauruses carried.
Well, all I can say is, at least when mayor mumbles spouted his shit, it was usually mildly amusing. This knucklehead really takes himself seriously. In the immortal words of someone, I forget who, "here today, gone tomorrow" ......
Chalkie
11:32pm, that's a joke, right? Either that, or you're really off your meds too long.
Officers will now be instructed to pass out candy bars or 'free gift cards' to calm offenders down.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I voted for chuy
12/31/2015 08:41:00 AM
I am pretty sure Chuy will gear up for another run at mayor. He is a very liberal left winger who has the support of the activists, socialists, communists and assorted other outside the mainstream folks. I sure hope someone comes along to run who is more mainstream and center focused or the city will go the way NY is going right now and the cops won't have a chance.
My dad became a cop in 1968. He retired in 2002. I followed in his foot steps in 2003. My parents have been married for 50 years. Since my dad retired, he has been diagnosed and treated for bladder cancer 3 times. Prior to retirement, he had quadruple heart bypass surgery and an abdominal aortic aneurysm. My mother had liver cancer twice and breast cancer. I can not begin to tell you how much they have spent with surgery, recovery and testing every 6 months. My dad brings home $3,200.00 a month now. Their insurance is $1,800.00 a month with a $5,000 per person co-pay a year. They have a co-pay based prescriptions which varies across the board. I can not even begin to tell you the arguments they have with insurance and the money they pay out each month. Should I also bring into play the property tax hikes? Gas? Electric? Phone? All I can say is I'm happy their house is paid off because they do not have much at the end of the month. The retirees are fighting their own battles. They have been our foundation and fought for the benefits we have now. Someday you will retire. Someday you will battle the same war that my parents are. The current fight for retiree benefits will affect you also. This is a matter that should be addressed now because you will be affected in the future. I am thankful that they addressed this issue in the letter. My parents have been calling me and asking me what is going on because they have just received a letter from The retirement board that the insurance is going up an additional 400.00 because the city is trying to fight the bill that was just passed through state senate. Right now, this may mean nothing to you. Right now, I see the effects it will have on all of us in the future. Right now I see what is happening to the men and woman who have served before us who have paved the way for the great benifits we currently have. If we stop fighting now, we will defiantly lose this war. Please have compassion for our retirees. As I said before, this will have no affect on you now, but believe me, this argument that the FOP is fighting is part of your future.
Not a good story. Hope they are both feeling better. Would it be possible for them to drop the city supplemental insurance and pick up a different policy,say thru AARP
Medicare acts as their primary insurer so maybe they can find a cheaper supplemental policy.
"My dad became a cop in 1968. He retired in 2002 . . . My dad brings home $3,200.00 a month now. Their insurance is $1,800.00 a month with a $5,000 per person co-pay a year. They have a co-pay based prescriptions which varies across the board. I can not even begin to tell you the arguments they have with insurance and the money they pay out each month."
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$1800.00 a month?
What does Medicare cover?
"Training for the Dept of Aviation Police in case of Active Shooter incidents -
RUN AND HIDE. http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/30/us/unarmed-aviation-officers/
"How long will it be before the use of force model will be modified to show the following responses to offender actions:
"Run 1st option to be used
Hide 2nd option
Fight Only as a last resort."
12/31/2015 01:34:00 PM
Aviation Police only got as far as #2. Indiana State Police "active shooter training," as well as other depts., are telling CIVILIANS to "fight as a last resort."
This story is even in the British press -- even with no RTKBA, "knife control," no-go-zone "housing estates," and generally unarmed police -- wearing colorful face paint while in uniform at events like Gay Pride Parade and Solstice-At-Stonehenge -- they have the sense to have officers walking in pairs with MP5s at airports and rail stations...
Meanwhile Heriberto Viramontes was sentenced to 90 years for a 2010 vicious bat attack in Bucktown that left one woman unable to speak or walk and the other without her peripheral vision and unable to drive.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2476041/Heriberto-Viramontes-guilty-Natasha-McShane-baseball-bat-attack.html
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"My dad became a cop in 1968. He retired in 2002 . . . My dad brings home $3,200.00 a month now. Their insurance is $1,800.00 a month with a $5,000 per person co-pay a year. They have a co-pay based prescriptions which varies across the board. I can not even begin to tell you the arguments they have with insurance and the money they pay out each month."
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$1800.00 a month?
What does Medicare cover?
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He doesn't qualify for Medicare. He became a cop at 21. He didn't pay into social security so he doesn't have enough points. My mom was a stay at home mom at age 28. She also doesn't have enough points.
Call for a supervisor every time. In escalating situations, retreat and secure the scene. Wait until a merit boss shows up to earn his money. Don't be surprised how slow they are to respond because making decisions can be risky for marginal supervisors who will expose their incompetence.
I voted for chuy
12/31/2015 08:41:00 AM
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I regret voting for Chuy after seeing him marching with the BLM rabble rousers. Never thought I"d say this, but I'm glad that Rahm won.
12/31/2015 07:31:00 PM
You weren't paying attention.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"My dad became a cop in 1968. He retired in 2002 . . . My dad brings home $3,200.00 a month now. Their insurance is $1,800.00 a month with a $5,000 per person co-pay a year. They have a co-pay based prescriptions which varies across the board. I can not even begin to tell you the arguments they have with insurance and the money they pay out each month."
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$1800.00 a month?
What does Medicare cover?
1/01/2016 10:08:00 AM
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I'm going to make a guess here. CPD did mot begin taking out medicare payments from coppers checks untill June of 1986. His original date of employment predates that, so there may be high Medicare costs involved in his equation.
Please be true....
And that is why the punk tried to join with ISIS and tried to blow you and some of your colleagues up (the restaurant on Wells).
"An armed sane person can kill you. An armed mental can kill you. It doesn't matter. Lethal force is to be met with lethal force - that's the law."
Uh...an UNARMED person, of whatever mentation, can also kill you. Fists, elbows, knees, feet -- and that plate glass window behind, that cement down there, that flight of stairs...
Rule still applies.
Keep in mind -- every piece of confetti that Taser spits out is microprinted with a serial number unique to each individual cartridge.
"I wonder what the media and department will say when someone dies from a taser deployment."
12/31/2015 07:31:00 AM
Nationwide, about 40 fatalities per year from Taser shots.
"Regarding the bat=deadly weapon. The media and the sound bytes they televise from the public say "it was only a bat", etc."
12/31/2015 02:31:00 PM
Baseball actually makes me a little queasy. When I hear the tremendous "WHAP" of a well-hit ball sailing, I can't help but think of someone getting hit in the head. I know it's just a game but I've picked up a bad association with it from the street. When I grew up, there was always a sturdy wood Slugger leaning inside the back door, and I always gut-understood that that one was not intended as a toy, but for an emergency, and I respected it as one does a firearm.
That "Bitch" of a Mayor better not show his sawed off presence in my roll call. I am going to tell him why I despise him. Why he stinks as a human being. Why he doesn't measure up as a Man, let alone a Mayor. Why, he is a sellout, and most importantly, why he needs to resign his office. He is an arrogant, narcissistic, pussy ass, silver spoon, piece of shit, who has never had blood spat in his face. That sissy needs a realty check. He will get it in my roll call!
'Didn't Daley's kid try to kill someone with a bat in Michigan?'
12/31/2015 11:47:00 AM
While I too have heard the "Pat Batters" nickname, your guess is as good as mine. Some very careful writing here...
Daley`s Son Pleads Guilty To Brawl Charges
April 10, 1992|By John Kass and Peter Kendall.
Mayor Richard Daley`s 16-year-old son, Patrick, pleaded guilty Friday to misdemeanor charges in connection with an unsupervised beer party and brawl at the mayor`s Grand Beach, Mich., vacation home last month. During the melee, another teen`s head was smashed with a baseball bat. That youth is recovering. Patrick Daley admitted to furnishing alcohol to minors and disturbing the peace.
Berrien County, Ind., prosecutor Dennis Wiley announced that 14 other youths were charged with minor violations, including Patrick Daley`s cousin, R.J. Vanecho [sp], 17, who pleaded guilty to aiming a firearm without malice. Vanecho was charged with waving a shotgun in the incident.
No charges were filed against the person believed to have wielded the baseball bat, although a final decision is expected next week. The pleas came Friday morning in Berrien County District Court.
Patrick Daley received six months` probation and was ordered to do 50 hours of community service in Grand Beach. He also was fined $1,950 and was ordered to pay restitution to his parents for property damage. Vanecho was fined $1,235.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-04-10/news/9202020216_1_mayor-richard-daley-brawl-charges-baseball-bat
Guilty In Daley Summer Home Brawl
October 22, 1992
CHICAGO — A 16-year-old Southwest Side youth was convicted Wednesday in a juvenile proceeding on a misdemeanor charge of aggravated assault in Berrien County, Mich., as a result of a brawl outside Mayor Richard Daley`s vacation home in Grand Beach, Mich., last March 1.
Dennis Wiley, prosecuting attorney for Berrien County, said a six-person jury convicted the youth after five days of testimony. Witnesses testified that the youth struck Andrew Buckman, 16, of LaPorte, Ind., with a baseball bat, causing a life-threatening cerebral hemorrhage, Wiley said. Buckman is recovering and testified at the trial.
Two defense witnesses, including the defendant, said Buckman had a baseball bat, but other witnesses disagreed, Wiley said.
Sentencing has not been scheduled. The youth could get probation or be sentenced to the jurisdiction of the state Department of Social Services until he is 21. Daley`s son, Patrick, 16, pleaded guilty in April to disorderly conduct and providing alcohol to minors in the incident.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-10-22/news/9204050498_1_baseball-bat-youth-witnesses
Their agendas and their BS works better when they ignore facts and keep pushing the unarmed mantra.
TA$ER
Lack of classification in DSM[edit]
Excited delirium is not found in the current version of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. Eric Balaban of the American Civil Liberties Union argued in 2007 that excited delirium was not recognized by the American Medical Association or the American Psychological Association and that the diagnosis served "as a means of white-washing what may be excessive use of force and inappropriate use of control techniques by officers during an arrest."[17] Melissa Smith of the American Medical Association stated in 2007 that the organization had "no official policy" on the condition.[18]
However the term "excited delirium" has been accepted by the National Association of Medical Examiners and the American College of Emergency Physicians, who argued in a 2009 white paper that "excited delirium" may be described by several codes within the ICD-9.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_delirium
$1800.00 a month?
What does Medicare cover?
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He doesn't qualify for Medicare. He became a cop at 21. He didn't pay into social security so he doesn't have enough points. My mom was a stay at home mom at age 28. She also doesn't have enough points.
1/01/2016 02:27:00 PM
Don't you remember the FOP asking Obama and Romney if they would remove the windfall law/? Obama said he would. How is that going for you? Did they vote democrat?
Anonymous said...
Please be true....
And that is why the punk tried to join with ISIS and tried to blow you and some of your colleagues up (the restaurant on Wells).
1/01/2016 07:11:00 PM
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I'm guessing internet troll with no idea of what we have to deal with or what we risk every time we have to arrest someone who doesn't want to be arrested. The message that we are getting is that if something happens and you have to use deadly force, or any force, it will immediately be looked at as a deliberate, malicious, racist, and criminal act. They are sending every serious incident to the states attorneys office not to objectively look at the totality of the circumstances and make an unbiased recommendation. But they are sending it there to see if there is any possible way to bring criminal charges on the police officers involved. So yea, I'm cool with not having to fight or wrestle some asshole who doesn't want to get arrested for a misdemeanor that will likely be thrown out of court for a variety of reasons or will have no serious consequences to the offender anyway. It lessens my liability both legally, civilly, and physically. With force mitigation, they are telling the officers that they want to limit the physical encounters. It is what they, the politicians, and a growing segment of the public wants. Message received. Make no mistake, if somebodies actions are such that could cause death or bodily harm to me, my partner and coworkers, and to the public, deadly force still applies.
The only force the city wants you to use is THE FORCE. I will wave my hand and use the jedi mind trick and tell him "you will cooperate and put your hands behind your back". If that doesn't work, oh well.
1/1/16 11:06: What? Excited Deliruim? Are you talking about a rush of adreneline? It would seem to me that a normal person facing someone charging him or her in a threatening manner with a bat, a knife, a gun or with the mere look of mayhem on his face and in his or her eyes is going to ignite a surge of adreneline and that person facing it is going to go into either an attack mode or a defensive mode. I like the police when faced with something like that to go into the attack mode. We citizens are more likely to go defensive. I would also think that separates you police (and firemen) fromm us. I tend to avoid or duck when I hear gunfire and I sure as shit do not run into a burning building especially if I do not hear anyone calling for help. But I don't know, maybe the ACLU and American Psychological Assn are smarter than me/or they are publishing an agenda on what we should be thinking when we hear the police white washing use of force. I object to Ms. Smith's racist use of the phrase white washing. That is how I take it and it is a poor choice of words. She should leave race out of the conversation, it further discredits her published material.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"My dad became a cop in 1968. He retired in 2002 . . . My dad brings home $3,200.00 a month now. Their insurance is $1,800.00 a month with a $5,000 per person co-pay a year. They have a co-pay based prescriptions which varies across the board. I can not even begin to tell you the arguments they have with insurance and the money they pay out each month."
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$1800.00 a month?
What does Medicare cover?
1/01/2016 10:08:00 AM
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I'm going to make a guess here. CPD did mot begin taking out medicare payments from coppers checks untill June of 1986. His original date of employment predates that, so there may be high Medicare costs involved in his equation
You are right about the 1986 medicare payments I to came on in the 60's but use my wifes medicare. If you were married for 10 years and your wife worked you are entitled to become eligible for medicare on her work record, even if you were divorced later. Also he should check his work record for medicare. In the 60's CPD pay was low and most guys worked part time gigs.
Not sure what you mean by high medicare costs. Once you are on medicare all the medicare is the same policy. There are no high or low deductibles. All medicare retirees receive the same medicare policy
$1800.00 a month?
What does Medicare cover?
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He doesn't qualify for Medicare. He became a cop at 21. He didn't pay into social security so he doesn't have enough points. My mom was a stay at home mom at age 28. She also doesn't have enough points.
Heres a suggestion. Mom must have worked prior to becoming a stay at home mom at 28 She has to have had jobs prior to that whether a summer job, part time job or worked until 28 I realize she doesnt have the required 40 quarters, but if she is close to 40 there is an option to buy some required hours.
Its unfortunate that at dads retirement seminar in 2002 it wasn't pointed out to the retirees or their wives that if they didn't have the required 40 quarters, they should consider getting a job if only part time and pay into medicare to get the required 40 quarters.
Anonymous said...
$1800.00 a month?
What does Medicare cover?
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He doesn't qualify for Medicare. He became a cop at 21. He didn't pay into social security so he doesn't have enough points. My mom was a stay at home mom at age 28. She also doesn't have enough points.
1/01/2016 02:27:00 PM
Don't you remember the FOP asking Obama and Romney if they would remove the windfall law/? Obama said he would. How is that going for you? Did they vote democrat?
1/02/2016 01:12:00 AM
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Remember when the shitty-wide team re-emerges in a year that Mark Donohue, Billy Dougherty, and Ted Street who was at the time was the state FOP president ALL endorsed Big Ears Obama! Will they run Jim Bailey as FOP president and thus try to restart the fourth Reich??
"My dad became a cop in 1968. He retired in 2002 . . . My dad brings home $3,200.00 a month now. Their insurance is $1,800.00 a month with a $5,000 per person co-pay a year. They have a co-pay based prescriptions which varies across the board. I can not even begin to tell you the arguments they have with insurance and the money they pay out each month."
$1800.00 a month?
What does Medicare cover?
............................................
He doesn't qualify for Medicare. He became a cop at 21. He didn't pay into social security so he doesn't have enough points. My mom was a stay at home mom at age 28. She also doesn't have enough points."
. He became Medicare eligible 3 years ago when he turned 65. 3200.00 month for two people puts them well below the threshold and qualifies them for subsidies under ACA.
Sorry, Your story doesn't add up.
Call for a supervisor every time. In escalating situations, retreat and secure the scene
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It's YOUR Job.
Earn YOUR $80,000 a year a make a decision.
Anonymous said...
And still the FOP remains silent
12/31/2015 01:47:00 PM
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R U Helen Keller?
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