Thursday, December 31, 2015

Stop with the Lawyer Bullshit

As you might imagine, the number of trolls has increased exponentially here since the last shooting incident. We've been inundated with harassing nonsense, none of which we process, mostly because it's simply ignorant rantings of unhinged loons - the kind of stuff that infests the Tribune and other media comment sections without regard to facts, actual law or a sane reading of the facts.

Here is a typical one, based on nothing but "feelings" evidently:
  • Scc, it all comes down to how many shots the officer needed to subdue this young man. The actions here were excessive. It seems indisputable to me. And yet you try to defend this as a good shoot. No.
Well Asshat - do you mind if we call you Asshat? - the number of shots has exactly ZERO bearing on anything. It takes as many shots as it takes, plain and simple. Police are taught to shoot to eliminate the threat, and if the threat is still advancing/moving/threatening, then more shots are needed. This isn't Hollywood, where a single shot from a .38 snubbie immediately incapacitates a crazed assailant with a bat. You know how often that happens in real life? Here's a clue - think of a percentage of less than 1.

Then there's the science. Dozens, maybe many dozens of studies show that people under attack in high stress situations aren't bothering counting shots. Even reporters who used to go through the "Shoot, No Shoot" scenarios never kept track of their shots and were constantly amazed that they fired as many times as they did when instructors ran the tapes back. On a good day, we can empty a 15-round magazine in well under 5 seconds. We've seen people do it in under 3.

Then there's the fact that no one, not a single media source or Department source knows exactly how many shots were fired as of yet, nor how many hit the assailant. The only number we've seen is "at least 2." So Asshat, you want to explain how two hits is "excessive" by any stretch of the imagination, seeing as how most police shootings involve many many more shots than that? That kind of makes your "indisputable" look indisputably asinine.

So this is the ignorance we've been weeding out here, not only because it's wrong-headed, uninformed and indisputably dumb, but we don't want to have to moderate an extra 100 comments from others telling this idiot to "go fuck yourself" or painfully explaining what we can in a main post, all while ridiculing the idiocy of someone who's never done our job trying to tell us how to do our job, based on nothing but a "feeling" the police were "excessive" in putting down an assailant.

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Anonymous 11th Dist King said...

I do a lot of reading and it is incredible how many people out there are soooooo stupid. They immediately know the law, they know that you use a taser, instead of a gun, they know that if the offender has a pocket knife you need to go hands on, and disarm him. WTF? Not one Facebook idiot, or media moron know shit about how it is like to work a 1st watch shift in Englehood or the west side.

Please someone bring back the shoot no shoot FATS/PRISM junk so we can see media idiots fail these scenarios.

12/31/2015 12:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's late, time to sleep, safe in the knowledge that SCC is weeding out the nasty trolls.

Seriously, you are the best! God Bless and a happy and healthy New Year to you and yours.

12/31/2015 12:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reality in the form of becoming a victim by the very people they hold up to be angels cannot come quick enough to these assholes to awaken brain cells to what is walking amongst society.

12/31/2015 12:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amen

12/31/2015 01:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said SCC. This is why you are a regular read for me. Keep up the good work. Not trying to stroke you just really appreciate your view.

12/31/2015 01:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you, SCC

12/31/2015 01:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC-that was a verbal bitch slap!..it amazes me how these assholes can speak with such certainty about things they will never see or experience. I don't go around spewing my opinion on how other professions operate because in most cases I realize I wouldn't have the first fucking clue. But apparently, every other swinging dick in this town (including notable pussies like the mayor, faker, Jesse) knows how to be the police. That's good, because you're going to have to do it yourselves for awhile.

12/31/2015 02:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Garry Bussee will be available to show us his fight moves against Mel Gibson to combat this use of force issues.

12/31/2015 02:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This shit is UNBELIEVEABLE , IM Handing in my Badge ASAP , So now when we approach a person with a Gun or Bat , there going to expect us to use a TASER , see ya I'm out of here , Bullshit Clown Mayor , he needs to go

12/31/2015 02:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Spot on SCC.

12/31/2015 02:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I honestly just cannot imagine any cop engaging anyone at this point. Why would they? I was shocked with this last shooting. It is a no win situation. I would "de-escalate" the shit out of every call.

12/31/2015 06:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the number of shots fired now is the big deal we should just go back to revolvers. I can pull my Model 66 out of the safe. Or better yet what about flintlock pistols. And remove the City seal from the star and replace it with a smiley face. Just started working on my 25th year. I used to love this job. Now I feel like Charlie Brown after he tries to kick that damn football. "Uugghhh!"

12/31/2015 06:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh SCC your true colors are showing like mine. You used the words eliminate the threat. Just like us old timers were taught to do. But I got yelled at during the transition course for the Glocks for using those exact words. Were not allowed to use eliminate the threat anymore. The correct wording is stop the threat. That's just to make the citizens happy.. Have a safe and Happy New Year. That's with no s at the end of year.

12/31/2015 06:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they wanted to stop a threat with less shots then they should have never got rid of the .45 caliber

12/31/2015 07:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep up the good fight SCC. I couldnt imagine not having this blog around. It's hard to believe how many years many of us had our heads in the sand about what is truly going on in this city/department. You have shed a much needed light upon the intra workings of this job.

I really need to get out of this city. It's not good for my mental well being. The $hit we see is enough to cause PTSD. The constant piling on by citizens, media, supervisors and politicians have pushed me to my limit. (Figuratively speaking)

I keep hearing guys say, just answer your jobs and write paper and you won't get into trouble. You guys are wrong. The majority of my beefs, fights and two gunbattles have resulted from dispatched jobs. Nobody goes to mental calls because they are fun. On a street stop, you choose when to initiate and when to leave. On an assignment, you have to stick around till its done. Sure you can leave, and then someone else will have to handle the job YOU didn't complete.

The game is not over, but I just don't want to play anymore.

I know the job has always survived and there have always been scandals. When I just started, the Northwestern player and the lady with the lock were killed by us. They were certainly tough times, and they too did pass.

I don't think it's going to pass this time. For me it's officially over, what a shame. I was a damn fine Patrolman and Detective. I've worked with some of the greatest people G-D created. Right now It's like those old west movies whose theme was old Cowboys being out of place in a modernizing society. Those movies were about the world becoming advanced/better. This is not the case here, things are not improving.

The city will never recover from the morale damage inflicted upon the department. It is soooo effed up right now. Internally the job is even more screwed up. Almost all of our leaders are multiple merit appointees, and these guys and gals are borderline retarded. How can they possibly right the ship?

Sorry for the long post, but these things are needed to be said. Be safe brothers, and always have someone watching behind you on street interviews. I can't help but think someone is going to try and ambush us. What other job would you have worries like this?

12/31/2015 07:50:00 AM  
Blogger dumpdaley said...

Hang on folks, help is on the way. A republican president with Trey Gowdy as Attorney General. The rest of us have your backs. Please Lord put me on a jury.Not a LEO, JAFO. Hopefully the scum will figure out to take the redline north to belmont and take the ravenswood to irving park. Go east to hermitage, north to Rahm's, start looting. His libtard neighbors wont mind.It will cleanse their liberal guilt.- Mike the cityworker

12/31/2015 07:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Should the police let a knife wielding offender disembowel somebody or cut somebody's eye out before they take action? How many shots would be justified after these actions? How many shots would be justified if it's one of your loved ones getting attacked?

12/31/2015 07:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The mantra of the micro-agression masses: "fealz > realz"

12/31/2015 08:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just wanted to say Thank You SCC! Some people just listen to MSM hype and don't want to think for themselves.

12/31/2015 08:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you SCC for moderating the posts, too many of which are the rants from Liberal ass hats having no clue.

12/31/2015 09:17:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

Couldn't he just shoot the bat out of hands like the Lone Ranger did?

12/31/2015 09:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I, being raised by good parents and following the example of actual good role models in life, have always been a supporter of the police. In my line of work I deal with police often and see the many, many GOOD things officers do for the public. But reading this blog has given me a far better understanding of why they do the job the way they do, and I thank you for that. I'm not a cop nor am I resident of Illinois even, but I love this blog. Thanks for all you do, both on and off duty.

12/31/2015 09:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The "number of shots" mantra is raised with increasing frequency today and it's really irrelevant. Use of fatal force is either justified or it isn't. To hyperemotional people that will be irrelevant, of course.

The frenzy should not be unanticipated with the "instant gratification" of modern media. It does suggest that a better job needs to be done -- though it may fall on deaf ears -- of educating the public. Chicago media has done a pretty poor job of explaining use of force from the officer's and legal perspectives.

A few months ago the DA up in Milwaukee in releasing his report on an officer-involved shooting addressed the "number of shots" issue from both a practical and legal explanation. With modern weapons you can fire off multiple shots in the time it took us wheel gunners to get off one or two. He also had a use of force expert demonstrate it. The hyperemotional and irrational won't listen but at least it's out there. And from the brass on up it's time that this story be told from the street level perspective instead of ducking and hiding from the truth.

The Milwaukee case (Dontre Hamilton) is of note. Hamilton was a mentally ill homeless young man who was rousted on a downtown street. Hamilton grabbed the officer's baton and was shot after he armed himself. The officer was fired, not for the shooting (ruled justified) but for how he handled the initial interaction. Though the firing is being appealed (there is no precedent for firing an officer based on his demeanor without progressive discipline so the argument is that the chief is punishing the results vs. the conduct) I see the point in that while it's a clean shoot maybe it wouldn't have gone that far had the officer not thrown gasoline on the fire).

Over the years I have seen far too many instances where some officers totally lack the ability to talk to people. It's an art form. It's a weapon, too. And just as some guys aren't the best shots at the range others are horrible in how they approach situations and deal with people. Don't think there weren't times in my younger days when I would cringe when I had someone calmed down and cooperative and then some hothead shows up. Proficiency in dealing with people under a myriad of stressful situations is a skill set like any other and is far too lacking. Worse, the politicians will dig it up and throw it out but they, too, are just as much to blame.

Just as every time someone gets shot we can't have a thousand people in the street automatically condemning the officer we can't always automatically assume that the officer was right even if (as illustrated by the Milwaukee case) he was legally justified. We all know there are times when nothing short of prompt fatal force is called for and to debate it on the street could endanger the safety of officers and others. And where in all of this is there any concern for the officer involved? It isn't easy to bring the hammer down on someone and, more often than not, the times I've known it to happen the officers are mostly the more solid guys who weren't itching for a confrontation. And you never read or hear about the many more times officers would have been justified in taking someone out that they didn't. There must be a much better job in telling this story.

This is not a good time for anyone to be a cop. Those of us who survived and moved on to old age are certainly saddened by this. But perhaps not entirely surprised, either. In a world where technology has increasingly kicked human interaction and decision making aside is it not possible that younger officers brought up in a world of using technology would focus more on using it vs. human solutions? I know it's a heavy topic but, hey, it's out there. Just like photo red light camera traps.

12/31/2015 09:57:00 AM  
Blogger Cuthbert J. Twillie said...

SCC -- Our 40th President, the great Ronald Reagan, summed up the problem with liberals very nicely in this quote: .......
-----> "The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." <-----

Another problem liberals have is that they don't 'Think' they --- 'Feel'. They admit this themselves all the time on television. I first really noticed it with that leftist loon, Rep. Nancy Pelosi (Commie, SF).

When speaking, good old San Fran Nan would start off saying: 'We feel this legislation will blah blah blah'. Instead of saying; 'We THINK this blah blah. She did this every fricken time, Nothing but -- Feel, feel, feel, feel. Sen. Chuck 'The Schmuck' Schumer (Commie, NYC) was another one with the feel, feel feel, feel, bullshit.

But they all do it, and not just the politicians, but journalists in print too, or when the Trolls are posting their typical nonsense on the Internet from mommy's basement. It's feel, feel, feel, feel,.

Granted, liberals are not too smart so actually THINKING is beyond their skill set and 'Feelings' is all they have left. But come on, 'Feelings' do not overrule critical THINKING.

(You can verify this liberal Moonbat 'feeling' bullshit on any article on/about Firearms that has comments. The liberal pantywaists will be out in force whining about their FEELINGS, that guns make them 'FEEL' unsafe. Not that they actually THINK they'll be unsafe, it's just a 'feeling'.

12/31/2015 10:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
This shit is UNBELIEVEABLE , IM Handing in my Badge ASAP , So now when we approach a person with a Gun or Bat , there going to expect us to use a TASER , see ya I'm out of here , Bullshit Clown Mayor , he needs to go

12/31/2015 02:42:00 AM

No Chicago cop says 'badge', but thanks for your supportive post, whoever you really are.

12/31/2015 11:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is shooting an already dead person life-sentence worthy ?

12/31/2015 12:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You mean there's no wire pulling a 200 lb. stuntman 10 feet backward when I shoot him with my .22 while his bullet hits me harmlessly in the shoulder?

12/31/2015 12:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Effram Zimbalist Jr always shot the bad guy's gun out of his hand with a single bullet from his .38 snubbie. You mean that doesn't happen in real life?

12/31/2015 02:46:00 PM  
Anonymous The Neanderthal said...

I have seen some motherf__ers so big and so frightening -- I mean visibly psychotic, the veins standing out in their forehead, flexing everything and babbling violent s__t while their 98-pound wife cowers in the corner in tears, wringing her hands -- until your heart is up in your mouth and even a 12 ga. shotgun shrinks on you until it feels like a toy. "Jeez, is this all I got? If he comes, I'd better aim REAL careful center mass and not waste even one. Steady up now..."

Extreme fear has its own stink; it's a hormonal upheaval. You'll never forget it when it's YOUR endocrine system soaking your clothes...

12/31/2015 02:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Make this guy the offer! Equip him and train him then turn a ball bat wielding felon upon him.
With his giant mentality, he shouldn't even need a gun, let alone a tazer or baton.
He should be able to just talk this raging felon into submission.
Go ahead, make him the offer! My bet is he's all mouth with a yellow stripe.

J.J.

12/31/2015 03:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The silent majority is with you. We thank you for putting your lives on the line every day to keep us safe. We can't imagine what you just see and experience daily and how it affects you. Then to be demonized by media and politicians (who live in very safe communities.)
Prayers to you all for safety and protection in this new year. Thank you all.

In this world you will have tribulation. Take heart, I have overcome the world. John 16:33

12/31/2015 05:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

John 16:33.....THANK you .....Most inpirational and encouraging thing I have read on the internet in the past year or so. Sincerely, a strong but weathered p.o.

1/01/2016 07:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This shit is UNBELIEVEABLE , IM Handing in my Badge ASAP , So now when we approach a person with a Gun or Bat , there going to expect us to use a TASER , see ya I'm out of here , Bullshit Clown Mayor , he needs to go

12/31/2015 02:42:00 AM

No Chicago cop says 'badge', but thanks for your supportive post, whoever you really are.

12/31/2015 11:16:00 AM

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I get a CPD retirement check so I must have been on the job. I have always referred to my star as my badge as did most cops I was on the job with. You call your's a button? Too hip for me.

1/01/2016 04:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Over the years I have seen far too many instances where some officers totally lack the ability to talk to people. It's an art form. It's a weapon, too. And just as some guys aren't the best shots at the range others are horrible in how they approach situations and deal with people. Don't think there weren't times in my younger days when I would cringe when I had someone calmed down and cooperative and then some hothead shows up. Proficiency in dealing with people under a myriad of stressful situations is a skill set like any other and is far too lacking. Worse, the politicians will dig it up and throw it out but they, too, are just as much to blame.

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Lotsa tricks in the hat can be pulled out. Some of my favorites: "WHOA, Hold on on! I'm LARGE and I'm in CHARGE!"....or.... Grab a white handkercief from your pocket and throw it down while saying, "TIME OUT CALLED!". I've even gone as far as saying, "Hey, is that A bottle of Crown there?" Grabbed it, taken a slug and asked if anyone wanted to have one also? Okay, now that we've had a drink together, what's going on here? They laughed and called me the "cool police" and things were resolved easily with the tension having been broken. I waded into a couple of hundred[no exageration]teens to stop an after school fight. ASsed the two would be combatants if both of them wanted to duke it out?". They said yes so I told every one to move it into the alley. Supporters of each were told to get to separate sides. The two dudes danced for five minutes with neither of them landing a blow and then called it quits and walked off as friends. Then everyone left. Yeah, I know that that might not work today but even then, it was a bit of a radical approach. Better than calling for more units and causing a riot. The job used to be so much fun!

War stories, over and out.

Stay safe and fetal.

1/01/2016 04:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope everyone reading this knows that the two people most behind this protest and the rise of Lamond Reccord are Rebekah Reynolds of the Chicago votes scum and Joanna Klonsky, Chicago votes person, daughter of commie CTU POS Fred Klonsky.both are working for Kim foxx and really are garbage. Both are involved with CTU and Marty Ritter as well. Klonsky is such garbage that she is working for the progressive caucus, all cop haters and the Daley nephew. These people must be exposed for what they are. They are truly cop haters and enablers of criminals.

1/01/2016 04:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

get a CPD retirement check so I must have been on the job. I have always referred to my star as my badge as did most cops I was on the job with. You call your's a button? Too hip for me.

No, we call them stars.

1/02/2016 02:44:00 AM  

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