John DeEscalante
Has everyone seen this Pax-501 from the "interim" supernintendo?
- force mitigation?
- utilize communication skills (duh?)
- wait for backup, de-escalate
- risk or threat? full options?
- talking to offenders, create distance
What the fuck is all this? Isn't this how we were trained years ago? Aren't we still doing this? Given the FACT that this asshole charged out of a house, swinging a bat at officers, disregarding verbal "judo" to cease, desist, drop his weapon, does anyone in charge actually believe the bullshit the brass is spouting?
He had a weapon. He was swinging it. He did not comply with verbal direction. Survey says......
He had a weapon. He was swinging it. He did not comply with verbal direction. Survey says......
- Lethal force is the only authorized, it is the only appropriate response to make sure the officer goes home to his family safely.
Anything else is DeEscalante blowing smoke up your ass for a political narrative to save Rahm.
An SCC "Salute!" to whomever coined the term DeEscalante. So it has been said, let it be written for eternity.
An SCC "Salute!" to whomever coined the term DeEscalante. So it has been said, let it be written for eternity.
Labels: un-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:35 AM
115 Comments:
Arm all officers with 16" softballs to throw at bat wielding offenders. Sorry, throw to bat wielding offenders. Use of force commences after ball 4.
All of Chicago PD should take a sick day on MLK day.
Ahhh...
Here it is.
It took 'em a long time to achieve this...
"Police Duty to Retreat"
Thanks a lot DeEscalante....
On rare occasions, alternate DeESCALANTE with "Mr. 6". Ringers!
How come the CPD Brassholes have not released the information that Bat Boy hit the 55 year old Woman with the baseball bat before he charged out of house to attack the responding Police Officers? It doesn't fit Rahm's anti-police agenda..
John will dance naked for Rahm .
All kidding aside, does this policy change open coppers up to liability, specifically punative damages for using force to effect an arrest where it is warranted?
He's already sold his soul, yours is next if he has his way. Good writers use metaphors all the time, this is all metaphor for Run, Hide, Don't do your job, no one is going to stand up for you, no one is going to be on your side. Please read between the lines, your future and your families future depends on it. Ours was once an honorable and noble profession we kept the wolves away from the sheep. Well the sheep and the herders no longer want the wolves at bay, they want you at bay you're the wolf now.
Retired.
Turn and Run Policy!
Does Rhams Detail and House Security Farce Do this Shit?
The POs on Hermitage will Do Anything to protect their spots
That's why I do NOTHING
LET IT BURN
John is a good guy but I still love the nickname.
Rahm and his yes men have no fucking clue about police work yet clearly they're directly involved and having Escalante sign their bullshit.
When did Rahm and his yes men go through the academy?? When have they done true ride alongs in the ghetto??
Where exactly does their experience come from??
Once again, no matter who the TOP COP is; outsider or insider - the results are the same; CITY HALL running the department/calling the shots. Come on guys, you know this... There will always be bullshit... And Escalante will be the next fall guy if City Hall don't hurry and find the next replacement; and he will be a fall guy.
I have a prediction that Rahm will be force to resign before the end of next summer..
Problem tho, is that there is no replacement for him... I will give him credit for trying to get the city finances in order.
Can't really blame Escalante...he was put in that position without much notice. I'm sure it was either 'do this or get demoted'. If he wasn't prepared to retire, he's got to stay until his ducks are in order. All this shit is straight from city hall. He's just the mouthpiece. Wouldn't doubt he goes as soon as he can.
BTW, did he get a bump in pay, or nothing because it's 'interim'?
The order doesn't even define "force mitigation" or "de-escalate", yet they want us to practice it after getting a new piece paper with a bunch of mumbo-jumbo, run-on sentences, and ambiguous phrases with absolutely no common-sense meanings. How about a 40-hour training course on what this means? This order was crafted with one purpose: to reduce the City's liability during a lawsuit and place more responsibility, i.e. liability, on the shoulders of the police officer facing the life-and-death decision to be made in under a millisecond.
Again, throughout the City's history they have shown they would rather spend millions settling lawsuits than spend it on training officers on what they want us to do. Now, instead of giving us training, we get these ridiculous orders and a one-hour long video that has to be watched sometime during your tour of duty while the zone is in a backlog of pending assignments and no cars available to send to the taxpaying citizens who are crying out for help.
I think it's sad that no high level boss came down to roll call and talked to the troops about what happened in eleven. The guys in 11 do a great job day in and day out. We're forced to make tough decisions daily. In this shooting the right decision was made. The female getting hit was tragic, but these things happen. The officers feel terrible and I certainly would too. It's nice to hear escalante went to 18 to talk to roll call on New Year's Eve instead of 11. But yet he'll show up on one job in eleven and not even get out of the car. In the paper he said he was driving around with the guys in 11 on New Years. What a joke! I've had the pleasure of running into chaplains on jobs over the years who get out the car, shake hands with the guys and exchange kind words. Maybe we need a Chaplin for superintendent. Maybe we won't feel abandoned by our department.
Hey John, is it worth it???
Perfect..
So I guess we can't call him John anymore ??????
When the animals are allowed to run the zoo, the first thing to go are the fences and cages.
You won't be able to protect yourself or each other when they collect your firearms and issue a foam rubber baton. Until then, CYA!
J.J.
McCarthy may go down in history as being even worse than Weis. Under McCarthy, police work was measured not by arrests, but by "contact cards." This NYC version of "stop and frisk" was doomed to fail in Chicago as police officers, doing what they were asked to do which was "contact" more and more people every day and week, ended up doing more and more contact cards on people they didn't even detain or pat-down. Did you run a stop sign? "Yes now be careful and have a nice day." No further detention or patdown but guaranteed there was a contact card done. Burglar alarm went off and you are the homeowner? Let me verify with your i.d. "have a nice day". No patdown and no detention, but back to the car for a contact card.
Yet the ACLU now believes we are violating people's rights wherever we go, which isn't true at all. Police have only ever been detaining criminals and suspected criminals, yet now we have the most unbelievable burden of filling out a 40-plus-question-and-answer report spanning two pages for the most basic of encounters with suspected criminals. Wait until the backlogs and "radio assignments pending" events occur as officers are held down for 30 to 120 minutes documenting an incident that lasted about five minutes (for example, street stop on 7 gangmembers on a street corner). These Inv. Stop Reports have to be completed before your tour of duty ends, and if a supervisor rejects the report, then you have to make corrections before your tour ends. If your supervisor approves a deficient report, he will be held accountable for the deficiency too. So don't expect to have those reports approved if they don't contain the required reasonable articulations. On-view policing will practically end. Anonymous citizen complaints of drug dealers outside people's homes will be 19P, as I for one will not detain anyone based on the observations of an anonymous person. I will not profile based on age, ethnicity, national origin or any of the other 10 or so factors in the order.
Thanks G-Mac for just increasing our work loads in an already understaffed department.
NOTE FOR THE BRASS: don't set quotas of Investigative Stops in order to work VRI. The consequences might be frightful.
I can't wait for body cameras. Let the cameras roll and release the videos to the public. Let all the media outlets see for themselves what we see everyday. For years, Daley and his crew of thieves have literally protected America from seeing what goes on in the Chicago ghetto for whatever reasons he had. With body cameras, the rest of the world will see for themselves what is going on with taxpayer subsidies for the denizens in the hood.
We will see just how much lives really matter when the criminals are left unchecked, and they will be unchecked because I will be held down doing an Investigative Stop Report on one suspected criminal in the parking lot of Subway, while the good citizens are being shot, robbed, battered, burglarized, assaulted, and victimized by all the other suspected criminals I was unable to attend to.
Give them the policing they want. They will have the community they deserve.
Back up?? With what man power, do tell. And Distance? ? You mean like the "in your face" of the downtown / mag mile protesters.
I basically got the same msg frm this, do anything other than hand out lollipops and hugs and YOU ARE FUCKED because the department NEVER AUTHORIZED PHYSICAL ENGAGEMENT / USE OF FORCE
I keep hearing about Police Violence and how it affects a community.
How about Black Violence and how it affects the city, county, state, nation and the World? All these so called fake reverends(yes you pfleger) activists, elected unofficials are spewing hate and lies. I can see a civil unrest in this country far worse than the civil war. I just hope my fellow LEO' are stocked up well.
Stay fetal my friends.
Col Hanibal Smith
A-Team
I've actually lost track of the number of ways and the number of people (mainly political pundits) that have thrown this Department under the bus. Recent expierience has proven to me that our current bosses can't even stand behind me regarding someone beefing over a parker, let alone anything else. Message heard loud n clear. I have a whole stack of complaints for signing and nothing else in my car. It's gonna be an interesting year. I hope you younger guys n gals are able to slow down and see the bigger picture as to what's going on here. You are a political pawn and will be blamed for all of society's ills if it doesn't go absolutely perfectly.
We knew he was a company yes man and not a policeman when he sent his significant other to the airport and made sure that a late roll call would never be an assignment. You'd think that he would've said, give it a year first.
Is there is a list for the black community on how to act when dealing the police? I didn't think so. Maybe they should all watch the Chris Rock video on how NOT to get your ass kicked when dealing with the police!
Where did this Escalante come from anyway?
So now every time we are involved in a justifiable Legal Shooting our actions will be
questioned . If its our policy, did we follow it? Lawyers will have a field day
Has everyone forgotten about Officer Francis from the 019th District was disarmed and killed with his own weapon by a "mentally ill" woman a few years ago.
What do you expect? CPD run by Communist (Democrat) Party Tools.
DeESCALANTE
That's a keeper. I love it.
J-Fled, McStreetLights and now (trumpet fanfare): DeEscalante!
Milwaukee Co. Sheriff David Clarke for superintendent.
So to comply since so many are crazy-insane-nutz we should call out another CPD member to help talk this moron down and then also jeopardize this officer to deal with crazy? If crazy is a "medical condition" should not CFD handle it? then send a fire truck with men along with ambulance to handle many calls, why not set up special "crazy response unit" you know could be like the "ghost-busters" car and maybe get some John Wayne types to round up crazy and take them to hospital? What you say a crazy was tasered in the lock-up who tried to harm officers went to rose-land (Please don't take me there) hospital and they gave him to much sedative drugs that killed this college kid (LOL) but the police are blamed again!
The police are extremely fetal today boss wonder why? look no farther than the "gold star no clue promotion club" and the "elected elite" we want to keep our jobs-pension-homes-family, we don't want prison-clown county court judging us-loss of homes-family-dignity! sorry the "go get em" is over hey as a matter of fact "boss" you along with badge 50 alderman and your exempt crew please we beg of you show us how to be "the police!" This would be "change we could believe in!"
No wonder the rinos and democrats are so scared of Trump taking office bet a forensic audit of money,and procedures,and promotions would be a "breath of fresh air" for the taxpayers of this once great city!
Lastly what the heck was chi-town rising? the biggest disgrace, another black eye to the city, poorly run, announcers no one knows, the people in the crowd were obviously bored, and you charged $150.00 a head! HMM where did that money go to,since corona paid for it, and all the corona commercials guess Chicago is a place for alcoholics?
A great portion of people expect police officers to endure, sustain harm and injury during their career. Very few want us to succumb and die although this number is growing. They believe that this is what we signed up for so its part of the job.
If I recall l, about ten years ago the department fired an officer on probation for cowardice for an incident at a jewel store in 003. If that happened today and the officer ran to hide from the gunman, she would be commended for retreating and not shooting. It's sick what this department has become.
I love the M.L.K. Day idea. We could call it the first, "I Had A Cold" Day!
M.L.K. Day should now be known as Martin FLUther King Day
I have a prediction that Rahm will be force to resign before the end of next summer..
Problem tho, is that there is no replacement for him... I will give him credit for trying to get the city finances in order.
1/02/2016 08:16:00 AM
You better hope that your prediction is wrong> I was on the job when Harold died and saw the confusion and chaos that happened in the city counsel and to city government. It is better to keep him there for the next three years and see who comes out of the woodwork to run for mayor. There is lots to do to keep this city above water and, sorry to say, we need rahm at the helm to do this. Our pension for one. I can't imagine who would end up as interim mayor if he resigns. The city counsel is full of assholes.
All Bosses r payed political stooges!
Maybe Rahm will do a Jane Byrne and move into an apartment in Englewood for a month.
Johns gonna be answering about financial crimes coverup with Lucki and Camposto and Aquirre. Put a fork in him he's done.
Ladies and Gentlemen. De Escalante has just given us in patrol the key to survival.
When you get a job...acknowledge, but do not move yet. Ask dispatcher if there is a complainant, and if so has contact been made and confirmed that said complainant wishes to sign complaints and have subject taken into custody and acknowledge that force may be used to do so. If answer is 'No". Your response right there should be 19-P. If answer is yes, or a supervisor orders you to go ask yourselves the following questions taken from the 501:
* What exactly is happening?
* How serious is the risk or threat?
* What is the full range of options for how to respond?
* Do I need to take action immediately or can I slow the situation down and buy more time?
* Can I create more distance to make the situation safer?
* Can I de-escalate the tension by talking to the offender?
That will take time. Next, ask your partner if they have asked themselves same questions. Carry a checklist. Write down the event number on it for later use and proof that you did so. Now discuss same with your partner. you must be on same page, if not discuss it till you are. Now when that is done you can head to the Job that will most likely be over...If it is not over and you hear it still going from outside, have dispatcher call back and ask if they still require assistance. If they still want service, ask yourself..
* Am I the best person to deal with this or should I request assistance from Specialized Units
such as a Crisis Intervention Team (trained in responding to mental health incidents)...
By then it should just be a report...Get the picture people? Use their words.
Everyone is talking about retraining the Police...how about retraining the community first. Drop the gun means drop the gun...drop the knife means drop the knife....drop the bat means drop the bat!!!! People, (and folks), if you get stopped by the Police and you aren't doing anything wrong, you will be on you're way. Once you resist, the Officer become suspicious. And yes, sometimes you are just in the wrong place and the wrong time when you're getting stopped. Bottom line, if you ain't doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about. Thats how we did it in my day. There is enough bad shit out there to worry about!!!!
Old Retired Guy
The Feds taking over is the only way to cure the ill's of this department. It is the only way we will not have some ass kissing tool who will be at the mayor's balls sniffing and licking. I know it's not popular but it is the only way to get change and better training.
Rahm heard about the McDonald shooting when he was losing the race for mayor. Rahm couldn't take a chance on letting a situation develop after Ferguson while he was losing the race for mayor. Rahm directed a payoff and suppression of the tape. Rahm did not allow the radio traffic to come out on the McDonald shooting showing that the drugged offender was violent and armed with a knife. Rahm lets the blame fall on the police even though it was all his doing. Rahm doesn't let a crisis go to waste.
DeEscalante is a nice but that's about it. He is a merit lieutenant. He is one of many yes men that McStupido surround himself with in the department. He new how to stay in his lane. Did not rock the boat. Unfortunately that is what the department is comprised of pretty much. Just look around. All the real leaders have left the department or have been pushed out. Very sad the direction the department has gone. Retire if you can. It is not going to get any better.
Anonymous said...
I think it's sad that no high level boss came down to roll call and talked to the troops about what happened in eleven. The guys in 11 do a great job day in and day out. We're forced to make tough decisions daily. In this shooting the right decision was made. The female getting hit was tragic, but these things happen. The officers feel terrible and I certainly would too. It's nice to hear escalante went to 18 to talk to roll call on New Year's Eve instead of 11. But yet he'll show up on one job in eleven and not even get out of the car. In the paper he said he was driving around with the guys in 11 on New Years. What a joke! I've had the pleasure of running into chaplains on jobs over the years who get out the car, shake hands with the guys and exchange kind words. Maybe we need a Chaplin for superintendent. Maybe we won't feel abandoned by our department.
1/02/2016 08:33:00 AM
I could see it now. Mayor 9.5 announcing Co-Supernintendo's Jesse Jackson and Michael Pfleger. Let's see these two fucks reduce violence in the ghetto and keep the city from burning. After all, they know how to be the police more tan the police.
Jajaja stocking cap is approved and on tv at protest in front of mayor ballets house , police wearing the stocking cap with star on the side , wearing plain blue unauthorized stocking caps , supervisors present and say nothing .
Do not worry about strict discipline enforcement , goatees , hoodies , pony tails on crime scene in Fillmore .
Jajaja
I think th mayor should do a ride along for a minimum of 2 weeks in the ghetto. That would be incognito of course.
Maybe the same he little twerp could understand the savage mentally the police have to face each day. I never expect he will grow a set of balls and actually take to the streets and see what the police are facing each day.
Suppose the police will now be getting new equipme .....squirt guns
Has Escalate ever worked the street? My guess another LAPA scholar.
Let's start the New Year off properly and do absolutely nothing but document by report. No more arrests and absolutely NO more proactive policing at all. Simply respond to your calls and if there is any hint of trouble, then call for a Supervisor. Let this shit neighborhoods go right to hell.
This is what you get when you take a bus driver for an amusement park and dress him up as a head doorman to a whorehouse, then have the head pimp be elected mayor.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can't really blame Escalante...he was put in that position without much notice. I'm sure it was either 'do this or get demoted'. If he wasn't prepared to retire, he's got to stay until his ducks are in order. All this shit is straight from city hall. He's just the mouthpiece. Wouldn't doubt he goes as soon as he can.
Uhh yes we can blame him. He took the promotions.
DeEscalante should also be known as he accidental Supt. This guy has been in the right place at the time his whole career. One minute he is a Sgt in Narcotics and Ben makes merit Lt and goes to Bomb and Arson. He was happy as a clam there when Lucio Martinez stepped on his own over the PR Fest in 014. He gets dumped and they promote DeEscalante to commander. Then in an attempt to demote Bobby Lopez and still appease LAPA, they promote DeEscalante and Zavala (and ironically still couldn't dump Lopez) then to Chief of Dicks and 1st Deputy. Then when GMAC steps on his wiener, who is waiting in the wings?? That's right, DeEscalante. All of this in about 7 years. Sgt in OCD to Supt.
De-escalate by de-policing.
Your "Leader" good luck with this goof!
It couldn't be any worse than goof ball Riccio's New Years Eve speech about the Mayor being pro us and etc!!!!! What a fool!!!
Unavoidable TVB at the end of tour? Nah! How about "Squad, I just stopped two guys for (add dumbass reason here) and now I have to go in and fill out the ISR's for this incident. Tell (insert pissed off supervisor here) that I will be on OT per the new order. Tell (him/her) that I will get the report(s) handed in as soon as I have filled it out 100% correctly.
A bunch of those each period with the money box checked and VRI won't be so attractive.
Giving them what they want, making them pay for their insanity and placing their nonsense squarely in their laps. It dosen' get any better than that.
How long do you think that will last?
Stay fetal. Or kill their OT budget.
It's a GOOD thing!
Escalante and several others including Lewellyn came out of the 9th district..they all have questionable activity in their background yet somehow they have all been made meritoriously...Llewellyn us in jail and the others are now in positions to be made lieutenants...
This new order on the use of force and fore mitigation will cost a police officer his life. You wait and see, This order will kill a cop. and if you don't know why I can't reason with stupid but put simply, here it goes: Hesitation kills.
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
All kidding aside, does this policy change open coppers up to liability, specifically punative damages for using force to effect an arrest where it is warranted?
1/02/2016 03:46:00 AM
Hey asshole. Don't arrest anybody then.
If you are questioning if you're covered then you are making arrests to please the boss'.
The boss' will be the ones behind the steering wheel of the bus that will flatten you.
Signed complaints only!
Less then 200 days. Then outta here, city, county, and state.
Rahm and the ghetto rats deserve each other.
How would John look with a mullet?
Anonymous said...
When did Rahm and his yes men go through the academy?? When have they done true ride alongs in the ghetto??
Where exactly does their experience come from??
1/02/2016 07:37:00 AM
Hey, Vance Henry was on the west side and got punched in the face for his effort. I wonder if he told Rahm how much the citizens respect the rule of law there.
"Has everyone forgotten about Officer Francis from the 019th District was disarmed and killed with his own weapon by a "mentally ill" woman a few years ago.
1/02/2016 10:47:00 AM"
Yes They forgot about Thor Soderburg as well.
Anonymous said...
I think it's sad that no high level boss came down to roll call and talked to the troops about what happened in eleven. The guys in 11 do a great job day in and day out. We're forced to make tough decisions daily. In this shooting the right decision was made. The female getting hit was tragic, but these things happen. The officers feel terrible and I certainly would too. It's nice to hear escalante went to 18 to talk to roll call on New Year's Eve instead of 11. But yet he'll show up on one job in eleven and not even get out of the car. In the paper he said he was driving around with the guys in 11 on New Years. What a joke! I've had the pleasure of running into chaplains on jobs over the years who get out the car, shake hands with the guys and exchange kind words. Maybe we need a Chaplin for superintendent. Maybe we won't feel abandoned by our department.
1/02/2016 08:33:00 AM
Listen, we could have Father Brandt, Rabbi Wolfe or the Pope for that matter as Superintendent and he'd still get the crap beat out of him on here. There will never be a superintendent that we all like. I think it's the same seven guys who wrote all the bad stuff (and in most cases, deservedly so) about Weis and McCarthy. At least Escalante is one of us. Focus on the real problem ... City Hall.
Will all squads be equipped with a comfy chair now?
--noooo! Not the comfy chair!!
Ok. I know this is a tall order but it's time for one of these exempts to stand up to the mayor before they end up with blood on their hands. Bunch of Judas'.
Reasonable suspicion? It doesn't exist anymore. Listen to what the politicians, the brass, and the public are telling you. They are flat out telling us that they do not believe us anymore. Your stops are illegal and racially motivated to harass people. And if you didn't have enough reason to make an arrest, they automatically are going to assume your stop was illegal and unjustified. At this point, if your investigatory stop is not going to be an arrest, maybe you should rethink what you are doing. Because if something happens as a result of an investigatory stop, well, good luck.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Johns gonna be answering about financial crimes coverup with Lucki and Camposto and Aquirre. Put a fork in him he's done.
1/02/2016 12:41:00 PM
Do tell. And we're on the side of the police.
The new, NEW policy - The Equal Force Doctrine:
CPD General Order - 2016-EFD01
APPROVED CONFLICT ASSESSMENT & RESPONSE DOCTRINE
Section 1) Paragraph A (Equal Force Doctrine)
Whatever they (Alleged Perpetrator - AP) are using, you (Public Safety Representative- PSR) must use.
Section 1) Paragraph B
Therefore ALL cars will be equipped with Bats, kitchen knives, Forks, pipes, chains, chain saws, swords, guns, and other known and prior-used implements of conflict.
Section 2) Paragraph A
Force-of-Conflict Equal Response Resolution Rules.
Any weapon used by the alleged perpetrator (AP) shall be matched by the responding public safety force representative(s) (PSRs).
Section 2) Paragraph B (Force Table)
Weapon of Choice (AP) -- Weapon of Response (PSR)
Fork = Fork
Knife = Knife
Bat = Bat
Chain = Chain
Sword = Sword
Mace = Mace* (or any Spray derivative: Pepper Spray, Skunk Spray, RAID)
Gun = Gun
etc.
Section 2 Paragraph C (Weapon Equality)
Under NO circumstances should the (PSR) weapon of response be more violent than the weapon of criminal (AP) choice. Therefore, no gun to bat, gun to sword, gun to knife response is applicable.
You (PSR) MUST respond with the correct and equal-force implement at ALL times.
Section 3 Paragraph A (Under-response Allowable, IPRA-approved, CCSAO-approved)
ANY PSR response is OK if weapons are mismatched to the perpetrator's (AP) benefit/advantage. (i.e. if he has a gun and you go after him with a knife, sword, bat, etc. that is allowable and recognized as a "soft approach" to conflict resolution and response. A preferred tactic for ALL PSRs to use.)
Section 3 Paragraph B (J-Fled "Special Circumstances" IGG* Amendment)
A NO response is acceptable for certain ranks: ALL Gold Stars and ALL Area/ District Supervisory positions attained by merit promotion. (10-1s can be under an individual's discretion at time-of-conflict of the above-mentioned ranks)
* (I Gotta Go)
ALL sections of this General Order have been placed in effect on January 1, 2016.
You are witnessing the beginning of the end of times. Stock up on ammo and food stuff, along with medical supplies and water. The time will come when you and your family will need to survive the fall of humanity. Be prepared for the animals to eat the liberals and those who believed in gov taking care of everything, for you will be faced with holding off the animals. Think it can't happen? Look what is happening to society and to police work now. Hell even the military is becoming a social experiment to reflect demographics.
I feel sorry for cops on the street. Having retired and seen the transformation of a once great department turned upside down and inside out to satisfy the liberal concept of what policing should be.
it will still be about those darn numbers.....
Listen, we could have Father Brandt, Rabbi Wolfe or the Pope for that matter as Superintendent and he'd still get the crap beat out of him on here. There will never be a superintendent that we all like. I think it's the same seven guys who wrote all the bad stuff (and in most cases, deservedly so) about Weis and McCarthy. At least Escalante is one of us. Focus on the real problem ... City Hall.
1/02/2016 10:53:00 PM
Being liked is not what the job is about. How could you possibly claim a guy who made EVERY PROMOTION 'MERITORIOUSLY' is qualified? He owes his SOUL to someone. Best find out who that is before it's too late.
Merit guy ......rot in hell!
And FU!
The union needs to step up and tell Rahm to resign! Fuck him!
7 ppl shot within 2 hrs in 011 on 1st watch
Anonymous said...
Less then 200 days. Then outta here, city, county, and state.
Rahm and the ghetto rats deserve each other.
1/02/2016 07:46:00 PM
You will love it. No matter where you end up, it will be more civilized than that shithole Chicago. No more red light tickets, city stickers, high taxes, etc.....it will be a distant memory sooner than you think!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It couldn't be any worse than goof ball Riccio's New Years Eve speech about the Mayor being pro us and etc!!!!! What a fool!!!
1/02/2016 05:34:00 PM
Does Riccio actually believe it or is he just spouting the company line?
Listen, we could have Father Brandt, Rabbi Wolfe or the Pope for that matter as Superintendent and he'd still get the crap beat out of him on here. There will never be a superintendent that we all like. I think it's the same seven guys who wrote all the bad stuff (and in most cases, deservedly so) about Weis and McCarthy. At least Escalante is one of us. Focus on the real problem ... City Hall.
Wise words...Amen.
Escalante and several others including Lewellyn came out of the 9th district..they all have questionable activity in their background yet somehow they have all been made meritoriously...Llewellyn us in jail and the others are now in positions to be made lieutenants...
Don't go painting Escalante with the same brush as Lewellyn. John may be a lot of things, but he has never been a dishonest cop.
If I recall l, about ten years ago the department fired an officer on probation for cowardice for an incident at a jewel store in 003. If that happened today and the officer ran to hide from the gunman, she would be commended for retreating and not shooting. It's sick what this department has become.
That officer (Janice Govern, detective) was also reinstated to the department. Now what?
As a resident.. ALL corrupt politicos use CPD to trash in press to DIVERT and grandstand.
They are criminals in themselves for doing such.
Chicagoans are KILLING EACH other and not CPD. FACT.
If Police are in a constant and worsening WAR ZONE climate as is in this shitcity
then innocents will be caught in the crossfire . That is just the reality.
2 nights ago I was awoken by bullets flying into my Lower West Side windows.
Since patrol and cutbacks gangs have the upper hand again in Pilsen.
Shooyouts on our little block are increasing and more brazen each time.
MAYOR EMANUEL and his corrupt crew threw residents under the bus by
REFUSING to support and expand CPD as was so desperetley needed in recent years.
Now it will take years to gain back ground as I see it in my neighborhood.
It is high time for a 'CPD MATTERS' march on City Hall by residents under fire.
How can anyone dispute the numbers again this morning of shot and killed?
The majority of Chicagoans support CPD and see clearly what is going on.
Did Grau and Lightfoot have anything to do with the changes that they already made. They had there chance when they were on the job(CPD & OPS) but did nothing. The media should be asking what there accomplishments were when they were in charge. Let me guess,zero. Ask the Governor what brilliant changes and improvements Grau brought to the ISP,again zero.Hack's all the way.
1/02 11:28
The difference with the 003rd Dist female officer fired for cowardice was she repeatedly stated she was only on the job "to meet and marry a white shirt"
Unass car, open trunk, haul out and set up folding table and chairs, bottled water for each, note pads, and have meeting to consider --
* force mitigation?
* utilize communication skills
* wait for backup, de-escalate
* risk or threat? full options?
* talking to offenders, create distance
"You say 'risk," I say 'threat,' Eddie says 'danger.' Can we get together on 'hazard?' OK." >checks off box on form<
*
And if you didn't have enough reason to make an arrest, they automatically are going to assume your stop was illegal and unjustified.
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In fairness most of the citizenry see it that way, and pretty much always have. Reasonable suspicion has always been a nebulous thing that no one could define and that has been abused as long as the term as been around.
I wish the courts would just get rid of it. If a cop can't say exactly why he stopped someone that involved some likely criminal act, why was any kind of stop made in the first place?
These kind of stops are only antagonizing people, very few of whom have committed any crime, and thus serve no useful purpose anyway and in the long run make things worse. It is like the so called safety checks. They are a gross violation of the 4th and 5th amendment, yet the courts allow them. These kind of things are going to blow up big time with the citizens at large at some point.
My suggestion is that cops change their behaviours before the voters change a bunch of politicians and they change copper's behaviours for them. That will be very unpleasant for coppers. No one else will even notice.
Not a cop.
"How come the CPD Brassholes have not released the information that Bat Boy hit the 55 year old Woman with the baseball bat before he charged out of house to attack the responding Police Officers? It doesn't fit Rahm's anti-police agenda..."
1/02/2016 03:12:00 AM
I could not BELIEVE the Sun-Times full front page with Dad crying about "a whole future destroyed by the police." One big emotional splash. You'd have thought that Bat was cut tragically short in his pursuit of the cure for cancer, like all mankind was going to suffer now from the loss. I had to turn my head.
Should have featured one of his many booking mug shots, and a large-type timeline of his multiple arrests for "aggravated battery in a public place," "aggravated battery on a government employee," etc.
Headline? Maybe "EVEN NINE LIVES RUN OUT -- BAT-WIELDING MAN ATTACKS POLICE ONE TIME TOO MANY."
I have a prediction that Rahm will be force to resign before the end of next summer..
Problem tho, is that there is no replacement for him... I will give him credit for trying to get the city finances in order.
1/02/2016 08:16:00 AM
"I will give him credit for trying to get the city finances in order".
Yeah,right. Like the new DePaul stadium and all the other projects for the connected.
All at the taxpayers expense.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
All kidding aside, does this policy change open coppers up to liability, specifically punative damages for using force to effect an arrest where it is warranted?
1/02/2016 03:46:00 AM
Hey asshole. Don't arrest anybody then.
If you are questioning if you're covered then you are making arrests to please the boss'.
The boss' will be the ones behind the steering wheel of the bus that will flatten you.
Signed complaints only!
1/02/2016 07:33:00 PM
Um hey asshole yourself. Just because someone is signing a complaint doesn't mean you aren't going to have to use force to arrest them. This order completely hangs us out to dry.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Reasonable suspicion? It doesn't exist anymore. Listen to what the politicians, the brass, and the public are telling you. They are flat out telling us that they do not believe us anymore. Your stops are illegal and racially motivated to harass people. And if you didn't have enough reason to make an arrest, they automatically are going to assume your stop was illegal and unjustified. At this point, if your investigatory stop is not going to be an arrest, maybe you should rethink what you are doing. Because if something happens as a result of an investigatory stop, well, good luck.
1/03/2016 12:03:00 AM
The department is telling you "young whippersnappers" to do nothing, and telling you if you don't obey they will bury you! Young turks if you have a family, do you want them to attempt to survive after Daddy/Mommy loses their jobs? Gets plastered all over the media and children of coppers get threatened while the thug mom that does this laughs? If you have ever been involved in a federal investigation (I have but by the grace of God all was OK), just the process (it could take years from start to finish), the extreme stress along with sleepless nights, frozen bank accounts etc you would wise up! Yes do your jobs, but what is the essence of your job?
*respond to calls for service dispatched (Not racing like NASCAR driver to calls unless a 10-1 or police family calling got to protect blue).
* write simple report
* arrest only on signed complaint
* call officer with CIT training and wait for them to arrive
* Fuel vehicle
* go home same way you came to work have some laughs
* Eat personals
* Protect partner and other coppers watch their 6
* follow general orders
If your being "the real police, old school" do yourselves and your fellow officers and families a huge favor, resign now and look for another job it's the best thing you can do to survive!
Anonymous said...
How would John look with a mullet?
Like a wild-eyed shih tzu
Escalante was a good guy in 025. He was most definitely a workers boss. Having said that- there is zero chance of ANYONE filling this position that isn't going to be anything more than a sock puppet, and any one of you guys/gas saying you wouldn't have take that job is a fucking liar.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Suppose the police will now be getting new equipme .....squirt guns
1/02/2016 02:53:00 PM
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Nice. If I run into a resistor, I am just going to call out a chase on the radio. However, this one will be different. I will be the one fleeing.
"Squad. I am fleeing the scene on foot. I feel irrational retaliation by Father Phle-Phle, Revrun love-child Jackson, Eric "You are Cowards" Holder the 3rd, and the "Shut Down Michigan Ave." crybullies of BLM. Squad, I am turning left on Washington. I think I lost them."
CPD: you Do realize you work for Communists, don't you?
Being liked is not what the job is about. How could you possibly claim a guy who made EVERY PROMOTION 'MERITORIOUSLY' is qualified? He owes his SOUL to someone. Best find out who that is before it's too late.
1/03/2016 02:28:00 AM
Escalante made sergeant in 01 Apr 96 class. it was considered one of the most legit test with no merit.
Chicago should have a recall election for mayor and every alderman that voted for the $5,000,000pay off to keep family quiet .
They blocked foia requests to release video .
Rahm and all politicians that have Chicago police assigned as body guards better be carrying teasers and wearing body cameras at all times
This and GPS should be available for citizens of Chicago to view, maybe 24 hours after recorded .
That would be transparency , maybe a dash camera for cars that transport mayor and his children .
I made Sgt. by the skin of my teeth in 1997. Would not have made it if they had made more merit. I think 01/03/2016 poster must be correct about Escalante not being merit if he was in 01 Apr 96 class. Remember their being a stink about no (or little) merit and then Mayor Daily saying "they should have studied harder" or words to that effect. Very rare.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ok. I know this is a tall order but it's time for one of these exempts to stand up to the mayor before they end up with blood on their hands. Bunch of Judas'.
1/02/2016 11:24:00 PM
Exempts work at the pleasure of the political bosses. The minute they speak against the political bosses, they will go back to their career service position. That is simply the way it is. Regardless of who is in charge of CPD, the politicians pull the strings. The only way I can see an exempt stand up to the mayor is if he/she has some dirt on the mayor.
Being liked is not what the job is about. How could you possibly claim a guy who made EVERY PROMOTION 'MERITORIOUSLY' is qualified? He owes his SOUL to someone. Best find out who that is before it's too late.
1/03/2016 02:28:00 AM
Escalante made sergeant in 01 Apr 96 class. it was considered one of the most legit test with no merit.
1/03/2016 02:14:00 PM
I realize you said the 1996 test "one of the most legit", but I know several officers who got the test and answers before the test was given. Clout promotions and giving cops the test beforehand has been going on forever. Merit was created to make it even easier for the clouted-don't even have to memorize answers.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Being liked is not what the job is about. How could you possibly claim a guy who made EVERY PROMOTION 'MERITORIOUSLY' is qualified? He owes his SOUL to someone. Best find out who that is before it's too late.
1/03/2016 02:28:00 AM
Escalante made sergeant in 01 Apr 96 class. it was considered one of the most legit test with no merit.
1/03/2016 02:14:00 PM
Hahahaha! The 'sergeants held hostage' class.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have a prediction that Rahm will be force to resign before the end of next summer..
Problem tho, is that there is no replacement for him... I will give him credit for trying to get the city finances in order.
1/02/2016 08:16:00 AM
"I will give him credit for trying to get the city finances in order".
Yeah,right. Like the new DePaul stadium and all the other projects for the connected.
All at the taxpayers expense.
1/03/2016 09:52:00 AM
Instead of breaking the parking meter contract, he deliberately agreed to a minor renegotiation of the original contract, thereby rendering it legally impossible to kill the original contract.
Yeah, he's looking out for SOMEONE's financial well-being, but it isn't the citizens of Chicago.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
And if you didn't have enough reason to make an arrest, they automatically are going to assume your stop was illegal and unjustified.
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In fairness most of the citizenry see it that way, and pretty much always have. Reasonable suspicion has always been a nebulous thing that no one could define and that has been abused as long as the term as been around.
I wish the courts would just get rid of it. If a cop can't say exactly why he stopped someone that involved some likely criminal act, why was any kind of stop made in the first place?
These kind of stops are only antagonizing people, very few of whom have committed any crime, and thus serve no useful purpose anyway and in the long run make things worse. It is like the so called safety checks. They are a gross violation of the 4th and 5th amendment, yet the courts allow them. These kind of things are going to blow up big time with the citizens at large at some point.
My suggestion is that cops change their behaviours before the voters change a bunch of politicians and they change copper's behaviours for them. That will be very unpleasant for coppers. No one else will even notice.
Not a cop.
1/03/2016 09:45:00 AM
Mr. Not a cop:
Thank you for coming to the police blog to provide your opinion. I personally appreciate your opinion and will agree with some of your points. People don't like to be stopped and see it as a nuisance. Some stops may be in a gray area regarding constitutionality. Police Officers understand that a vociferous segment of society want us to cease stopping people based on reasonable suspicion. We heard that segment of society and we are complying with that demand. For the average police officer it is over now. I personally did my last stop based on reasonable suspicion two weeks ago. Make that two stops. I stopped two young men wearing ski masks under circumstances I deemed suspicions.
However, the citizens of Chicago now will have to bear the brunt of an escalating crime wave. Please remembers that CPD officers took thousands of weapons from the streets in 2015. I will doubt that we will reach anything close to that number in 2016. I would also posit that officers stopped many crimes from being committed due to their proactive work. Proactive work is a thing of the past for that average officer now.
I am simply ranting now but suffice to say, i believe that citizens will suffer now that officers are forced to see situations in which a stop would make a difference in the quality of life in our city but due to the circumstances in effect that stop will not be made.
Anonymous said...
As a resident.. ALL corrupt politicos use CPD to trash in press to DIVERT and grandstand.
They are criminals in themselves for doing such.
Chicagoans are KILLING EACH other and not CPD. FACT.
If Police are in a constant and worsening WAR ZONE climate as is in this shitcity
then innocents will be caught in the crossfire . That is just the reality.
2 nights ago I was awoken by bullets flying into my Lower West Side windows.
Since patrol and cutbacks gangs have the upper hand again in Pilsen.
Shooyouts on our little block are increasing and more brazen each time.
MAYOR EMANUEL and his corrupt crew threw residents under the bus by
REFUSING to support and expand CPD as was so desperetley needed in recent years.
Now it will take years to gain back ground as I see it in my neighborhood.
It is high time for a 'CPD MATTERS' march on City Hall by residents under fire.
How can anyone dispute the numbers again this morning of shot and killed?
The majority of Chicagoans support CPD and see clearly what is going on.
Thank you sir or maam for your support. I would like to do the job I was hired for and eradicate the wolves from your neighborhood. However in the past couple years I was told I had to go to the vet and have a procedure done to comply with the new conditions of employment. I put it off for as long as possible and had it done. I spent a week at home recovering from the procedure and now I am back at work but for some reason I don't have the fight in me that I had before the procedure and have become very complacent, meek and feel more like a sheep than a sheepdog. I would advise getting your own sheepdog and keeping it away from the vet and the demoncrats.
To Mr. Citizen :
My suggestion is that cops change their behaviours before the voters change a bunch of politicians and they change copper's behaviours for them. That will be very unpleasant for coppers. No one else will even notice.
Due to recent change of general orders that dictate how we work, your suggestion very much is getting implemented by many out there.
To the hard charger commenting about reasonable suspicion:
If your being "the real police, old school" do yourselves and your fellow officers and families a huge favor, resign now and look for another job it's the best thing you can do to survive!
Dude, every district needs hard chargers like you, most people that know better are done doing real police work, my day is exactly how the original post described, and post from 1/02/2016 12:41:00 PM, the key to survival is on the money, i used it today, twice.
Pure Frikin poetry. Hey 05:27 AM:
Run,
Hide,
Don't do your job, no one is going to stand up for you,
no one is going to be on your side.
This is so profound, working coppers should all recite this, together as a group, at each and every roll call. Say it every day until things start to improve or we get a REAL COP Superintendent!
John you are a jag bag for accepting the superintendents spot from a jag bag like rahm!
In fairness most of the citizenry see it that way, and pretty much always have. Reasonable suspicion has always been a nebulous thing that no one could define and that has been abused as long as the term as been around.
I wish the courts would just get rid of it. If a cop can't say exactly why he stopped someone that involved some likely criminal act, why was any kind of stop made in the first place?
These kind of stops are only antagonizing people, very few of whom have committed any crime, and thus serve no useful purpose anyway and in the long run make things worse. It is like the so called safety checks. They are a gross violation of the 4th and 5th amendment, yet the courts allow them. These kind of things are going to blow up big time with the citizens at large at some point.
My suggestion is that cops change their behaviours before the voters change a bunch of politicians and they change copper's behaviours for them. That will be very unpleasant for coppers. No one else will even notice.
Not a cop.
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Nonsense. IF A COP IS ABLE TO SAY WHY HE STOPPED SOMEONE FOR A LIKELY CRIMINAL ACT, THAT IS ARTICULABLE REASONABLE SUSPICION. AND THAT IS THE STANDARD.
Safety checks are a separate issue. Take that up with your legislator.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I made Sgt. by the skin of my teeth in 1997. Would not have made it if they had made more merit. I think 01/03/2016 poster must be correct about Escalante not being merit if he was in 01 Apr 96 class. Remember their being a stink about no (or little) merit and then Mayor Daily saying "they should have studied harder" or words to that effect. Very rare.
1/03/2016 10:05:00 PM
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Adams v. City of Chicago, 135 F.3d 1150 (1998)
• Although 46% of those who took the Chicago Police Sgt. Test were minorities, only 12% were later eligible for promotion. P’s alleged disparate impact and a violation of Title VII.
• A lot of this had to do with a request for a preliminary injunction (enjoin the promotions being made in rank order), which was denied due to lack of irreparable injury (could get backpay).
• 1993 Sgt’s test (administered in first 3 months of 1994). 3 parts, the third being oral. There was no meritorious whatsoever. 4,700 took parts I (31.8% were black, 10.8% were Hispanic, and 56.4% were white) and II, of which 1,900 went on to part III. But after all three parts were graded, about 88% of those designated to be promoted to sergeant were white and 12% were minority.
• HOW MERIT CAME ABOUT.
• The plaintiffs filed an interlocutory appeal. However, during the pendency of this appeal, the City of Chicago initiated a Blue Ribbon Task Force to review the Department's promotion practices. By consent of the parties, argument on this appeal was delayed until the Task Force issued its report. In May 1997, the Task Force issued its report recommending that up to 30% of the Department's promotions to sergeant be made on the basis of "merit." This meant that current sergeants and lieutenants would pick 30% of the police officers that would be promoted to sergeant. However, the report also recommends that the current test continue to be used to assure that sergeants given "merit" promotions meet a minimum level of competence.
Anonymous said...
Adams v. City of Chicago, 135 F.3d 1150 (1998)
• Although 46% of those who took the Chicago Police Sgt. Test were minorities, only 12% were later eligible for promotion. P’s alleged disparate impact and a violation of Title VII.
• A lot of this had to do with a request for a preliminary injunction (enjoin the promotions being made in rank order), which was denied due to lack of irreparable injury (could get backpay).
• 1993 Sgt’s test (administered in first 3 months of 1994). 3 parts, the third being oral. There was no meritorious whatsoever. 4,700 took parts I (31.8% were black, 10.8% were Hispanic, and 56.4% were white) and II, of which 1,900 went on to part III. But after all three parts were graded, about 88% of those designated to be promoted to sergeant were white and 12% were minority.
• HOW MERIT CAME ABOUT.
• The plaintiffs filed an interlocutory appeal. However, during the pendency of this appeal, the City of Chicago initiated a Blue Ribbon Task Force to review the Department's promotion practices. By consent of the parties, argument on this appeal was delayed until the Task Force issued its report. In May 1997, the Task Force issued its report recommending that up to 30% of the Department's promotions to sergeant be made on the basis of "merit." This meant that current sergeants and lieutenants would pick 30% of the police officers that would be promoted to sergeant. However, the report also recommends that the current test continue to be used to assure that sergeants given "merit" promotions meet a minimum level of competence.
1/04/2016 08:09:00 AM
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WOW! Did you just say that the city initiated a blue ribbon task force? You can't get any better task force than that. I am convinced. The blue ribbon task force is the highest level of task force and a model for all task forces. I have always heard you can't get any better than a blue ribbon. It really is just that good!
Funny how the supe's wife beating incident was covered up by then desk Sgt Rich A. And w/c Evelyn S.
See. It pays to belong to the Royal Order of the White Shirts.
Anonymous said...
John you are a jag bag for accepting the superintendents spot from a jag bag like rahm!
1/04/2016 07:31:00 AM
You are an asshole for making such an asshole's statement .
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